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right in his face! time-out, michigan. >> good morning! it's monday, march 31st. welcome to "morning joe." did you see that? with us on set, we have msnbc and "time" magazine senior political analyst, mark halpern. hello and msnbc analyst and former democratic congressman, harold ford jr. >> good morning. >> that was like a move. match game 75. >> i don't think the camera caught it. >> did they not catch it? >> no. >> all right. nipsey russell! >> at center square. wow. >> national editor for "new york" magazine, john heilemann in washington, d.c. keep him in a box there. >> that's good. that's good. john in a box. a little known fact. did you like that? shot in the box.

we will market that. tm, if you tweet that, john in a box, you have a t at the end. we already own it. we own it! so a little known fact about you. you go, i don't know any sports. i went over this weekend, of course, we are having cat training courses other there. i was over there. you wouldn't believe. 14 cats being trained and running all over the place. up on the wall, mika brought in, harold, you won't believe this, she has 64 screens, right? and i asked why. dumb me. she has watched, not only every single game, but she's got like this ncaa package where you can actually see the locker room talks. >> how are your brackets doing, boys? >> she is perfect. she only missed one. she thought michigan was going to win. you've gotten every one right but she had michigan going all the way. >> harold likes that. >> i do have things to forecast

and map my personality. >> this game, talk about this game. harold, i'm sorry to do this to you because i know you're a huge michigan fan. i got to say these freshmen kids are nothing short of extraordinary. they couldn't even win the s.e.c. tournament. you know, my mom and dad went to kentucky. i've been dragged around to arenas since, you know, i was 5 years old watching the cats. yesterday, was my dad's 80th birthday, by the way. he would have loved seeing this. i've never seen a gutty team like this. these freshmen dominated the boaters and sunk threes every time they needed to. harold, i haven't seen anything like it. a louisville game and michigan game back-to-back just blew me away. >> they were the consensus number one choice at the beginning of the season and believed to be the best freshmen class ever to be recruited in the history of recruiting. this team came together at the end and it hurt me to watch it

but you have to put the money on them to be the favorite to win it all because they are finally playing together and we could have a remooch of the s.e.c. championship with florida and kentucky. florida has to get by uconn and kentucky has to get by wisconsin. >> willie, i never saw this coming. i quietly follow kentucky but i never saw this coming. unbelievable. the louisville game was one for the ages if you're a kentucky fan. then this michigan game. >> go back one more. they beat wichita state, undefeated wichita state and louisville who most people think should have been a 2 seed and they beat the 2 seed michigan. their road literally could not have been more difficult. they beat each team they needed to. there was a stretch in the middle of the season some said are they even going to the tournament? five freshmen starting and look like they could win the whole thing. >> they are so poised for

freshmen and they pass so well for freshmen. so unselfish for a team. >> this is what all of the commentators were talking about. my dad would have loved this team so much. they are old school. >> he is looking down smiling. >> he is smiling. >> a birthday present. >> it was a great birthday present for him. but they are old school, man. willie, they pass. they are unselfish. they always find the guy underneath. they crash the boards. but, again, the most surprising thing when they need the three, these freshmen with, you know, with tens of thousands of people screaming, they get the three. >> a lot of teams in the last 20 years, have been called the fab five, you know? part two because they have a few freshmen players. this is the first team that starts five freshmen that have gone this far in the 20 years since the fab five. for them to play at 19 years old, all of them, with this kind of guts and hit those shots like the kid hit at the end of the game is incredible and a credit

to coach pal. >> you're talking about the coach pcalipari. >> he plays by the rules. the kids come for a year and play pro. he does it the best. yesterday was another piece of evidence. >> what is so fascinating, mika, yesterday, while we were talking to little wolverine, a cat called little wolverine had a problem, had the mange and would bite but you fixed this cat up wonderfully. dick vitale comes into the living room. you and dick are talking. no, she is the basketball expert! so vitale comes in and you two actually are picking the gators to win it all even when we are talking about florida, florida, florida but you and dick vitale still think it's the gators at least while the cats were still around? >> i can monitor 64 monitors in one weekend and take care of 24 cats and handle an entire e.r.

full of drunk teenagers and monitor louis' engagement. tweet. >> and party fight for the 2016 nomination. >> what do you wake up to in the morning? john in a box. that is a trademark! you have to put a "t" in that. hey, we have a lot of news to get so. >> we can get to basketball in sports. that was really amazing. some of the country's most prominent republicans are returning from weekend in vegas where one man's name was on every's list. >> sheldon and i were kind talking about that. sheldon and, say, we own a restaurant together. so in ohio, we are no long flyovers. sheldon, thanks for inviting me. >> sheldon adelson they were talking to from the stage.

he pumped $92 million into the 2012 election cycle and big gop names spent the weekend in what is called the sheldon primary. governor's chris christie and scott walker were there, along with former governor jeb bush. governor christie ended up apologizing for referring to the west bank at occupied territories while speaking to the jewish coalition. he is cleared in the bridge scandal. democrats investigating him found the governor surrogates were in a full-court pr press. >> before we get to that part of it, let's go out to vegas. >> sure. >> there's a big story coming out of vegas and that is the emergence of jeb bush as the presumptive front-runner. >> whether he likes it or not. >> whether he likes it or not, the whispers are out there. you hear it among top rnc

donors. there is not an excitement. oh, we got to get jeb. >> i think it's going to happen. >> no, no, no, no. listen. i love jeb. i would be thrilled if jeb were running but there is not the excitement out there. there is kind of just saying, we got to get jeb and that really emerged out in vegas, didn't it? >> is there no grassroots for jeb bush and he didn't try very hard but you framed it exactly right. the big donors want somebody who could beat hillary clinton who is an establishment figure they feel comfortable writing big checks for and help to remake the party. for all of jeb's flaws as a candidates, he is, in their view, easily the strongest right now and desperate to get him in and as they did four years ago and failed but they have more hope now. >> not only the big one out there right now, among the big donors, he is the only one. that is just how they feel. >> everyone else is a backup.

>> among the big donors -- this is the sort of thing that people watch the show for because we actually tell them what people are actually saying, and this is what makes a lot of cheetos tell the truth and they don't like it. none of the big donors think rand paul or ted cruz is going to win and fill in the blank, you name it. none of these big donors think any of them will win. they think jeb will win the nomination and can beat hillary clinton. in the eyes of the big republican donors, that ship has sailed. >> if you talk to democrats who have met jeb they say the republican donors are right. jeb would be strong and might be a good president a lot of democrats think. talk to democrats who never met

jeb, oh, he is a bush and been out of the politics too long and part of what republican donors realize which jeb could actually appeal to democrats. >> i saw jeb up close and personal in florida eight years. jeb, in my opinion, would be a great president and a guy i would be excited about. >> his brother of george w. bush, he's a bush. is that a good thing or a bad thing? >> it's so funny. the great irony here is 1994 when jeb was running for governor, everybody was saying if his last name weren't bush, there's no way he would be running for governor right now and have the nomination. now you can say if his last name weren't bush, i think he would have won in 2012. if his name were jeb smith, there's no doubt he would have one the republican nomination and he would have been elected president. but i'll tell you, i've been surprised. i brought his name up -- people

ask me, who is your choice over the past five years. you've been there a lot of times. personally, i love jeb bush. you hear this murmur through the crowd. >> what is the murmur for? >> bush. this is a huge obstacle for him. inside the party, outside the party. and it's just something he has to get past if he decide to run and i don't know if he can get past it or not. >> i was just going to say i wonder how much of this is jeb bush's interest in the process and how much of it is donors trying to drag him in and the media trying to drag him into the process? is jeb bush genuinely interested in running for personally or are people doing it on his behalf? john heilemann, you're a good one to answer that. >> willie, i think no doubt the media and donor classes joe and mark were just saying, are

trying to drag jeb bush into it. everyone i talk to in the republican party still continues to discern in governor bush, former governor bush, a fair degree of ambivalence and that kept him out of the 2012 sweepstakes and might keep him out of the 2016 sweepstakes. i think if there is disquiet in the party, the only kind of drawback to jeb bush is everyone looks at the prospect of hillary clinton as the democratic nominee and recognizes that the biggest advantage that republicans would have running against her is that she seems old hat. she a clinton and is yesterday. if the republican party wants to look like tomorrow and make the argument they are the future and in hillary clinton the democrats are the past they give up that advantage if they nominate jeb bush because forget about the other props with the bush name. he is a retread in the eyes of a lot of voters and that is the one big drawback that you can

see, even among some donors who say we would be forfeiting the future by going with jeb bush. >> that is well and good but who is the next that can win a general election for the republican party? >> that is the question. right now, there's nobody that stepped forward that fills that gap. it's not fair to jeb, i suppose, but think about this. if jeb bush were elected president, three of the last five presidents would be from the same immediate family, immediate family, three of the last five presidents would be from the same immediately family. and i believe -- i don't know that a lot of people agree with me -- i believe that hillary clinton, to john's point, is so beatable and i'll tell you why, because she is going to come out, i've said it before, she is more of the neocon than i am

certainly. more of a neocon than most mainstream republicans i know that waent swept in this stuff in 2002 and stayed in the neocon side of the party. she is going to be more connected to wall street than anybody else. she has already given her apology speech to goldman sachs. the right running against her could do extremely well. jeb bush, a bush versus a clinton is not the future of the republican party. then you have, on the other side of it, the fact that jeb bush, without a doubt, is the best, strongest, most qualified candidate. >> that's, i think, what you just said is ultimately the choice for the republicans right now. would you agree, given the names we have out there, given those who were in vegas and the names who seem to be actively pursuing this, is it a retread you want who will pleasantly surprise

america with this intellect or a joke? name one that could win that wouldn't -- like the last primary, make it a joke. >> i think a lot of qualified people out there. >> can you name -- >> john kasich is a great guy. >> he is great but won't win. >> scott walker is great. he is another guy. to me, scott walker, man, he is a hero to me. and i could go down the list. that said, who can beat hillary clinton right now? a list of one. jeb bush. so, again, that is the tug here. >> the bush family is the most prominent political family in the country over the last 40 to 50 years. i'm a clintonite because look at their accomplishments. hard to deny that. i do agree with heilemann's assessment of it. from this standpoint i think the country wants something new and until the republicans can offer someone new and have a vision in his or her state and names they

haven't heard of i think the -- look at illinois. they nominated a person for the governor seat. republicans who had never run for office before, a wealthy business person was able to beat two established republicans at a primary. i think the republicans are looking for something outside of that. jeb bush sl have to identify how to differentiate himself not only from hillary clinton but the party's failure the last several years. i think a lack of visions and tackling big issues including health care. if there is any republican that can do that is a part of the establishment i think is jeb bush. >> mika, again, jeb -- again, it's a fan club here. he's extraordinarily qualified. >> yes, he is. >> i never campaigned with anybody and never seen anybody, this includes bill clinton, that knows more about the issues surrounding him. i have walked from schools where the guy has dug down really deep on education reform and then we drive to a nursing home and he

is walking in the front door and a nurse comes up to him, how is everything going? she goes, well, governor, you know, good, and then they starts to point at a wheelchair. he says, i understand the reimbursement from medicaid, i understand the formulas. i know a lot of people that have worked with jeb say the most horrifying thing about a cabinet meeting with jeb is, they say you can study all week and it doesn't matter what the issue is and jeb always know more than they do when they sit around the table. he's a brilliant guy, but there's this talk. that's why it's going to be a huge question mark. >> my personal experience is when you look at a man and his ability to get a job done, you don't look at his brother because brothers are often different. i have a republican and democrat brother in the same family get along very well. you look at their father and look at h.w. and ask yourself the question. we have to move on. governor chris christie

surrogates. >> by the way, that 41, a great, great man. >> chris christie surge at-bats. you see that, guys? that is embarrassing. in a full-court press going what are you doing? take a look. >> what do you mean? >> a vindication the fact the governor didn't know beforehand and didn't order it. had he not done this investigation he would be accused of closing his eyes to this. he has a guy doing this report who is not about to do a whitewash that isn't in his character. >> we haven't seen a shred of evidence that the governor knew anything about this lane realignment decision beforehand. we have had no incentive at our law firm to do anything other than than to get to the truth. reminds me of the movie line, they can't handle the truth. we believe we got to the truth. >> i love that guy! i love that guy! i have evidence. there is no evidence whatsoever that u.s. troops are are in

baghdad's airport. that guy is great! why do you put that guy out on sunday shows? who is making this choice? as the lady says on the stand at the end of the verdict, who are these people? who are these people? >> reports about troops passing on the borders? >> come on. please! >> we will take them to the cleaners no matter what. >>. >> the governor commissioned report and that is his attorney talking about it. >> can we chew up the scene the clowns and the line? >> it's "meet the press." >> i love it too. >> i'm sorry. "meet the press" is like the cornerstone of this network when you're a politician, you go to "meet the press" to meet the cameras so show me, john tower, i'm sure chris christie went on "meet the press" because that is where you go.

i could understand why you would come here. hold on, i'm not done. i could understand why he wouldn't come to us because we are friends. >> why don't you get to the question and cut the commentary back. nobody dropped the ball. you're looking at this from your editorializing from the question and everybody else what you know today. you're not follow up on a two-part question, are you? >> there was a first part. >> what is the first part? >> i did. >> several days later, the joke -- >> you joked. >> christine, stop! you have to get the facts right if you're going to ask me a question. christine, i'm not going to ask a question whose premise is -- well, i understand it's nice you finally got to the question but the premise of the question is so firm that i'm not answering it. seriously i'm up here trying to very carefully answer your questions. i don't know if you can't take notes or you're not listening. i can only imagine the speculation that the

irresponsible members of your profession would be engaged in on what went on in that meeting between me and bridget kelly. >> he is sort of aggressive? >> yes. >> and they have the profile cam on him. >> i think he is his last best hope. you would think he would choose to go on the, a is i said earlier, cornerstone of this network when you're a politician, i said this earlier. >> yeah, you did. >> you go on "meet the press" on a sunday morning and you make news. and you face the cameras. because that is what happens on "meet the press." so as i was saying before, do you know what chris christie did? he didn't show up on "meet the press." take a look at who showed up on "meet the press," who they put out. you can roll it now. the tape. ♪ really? >> it is a vindication of the fact that the governor didn't know beforehand and the governor didn't order it. had he not done this investigation he would have been accused of closing his eyes to

this. he has a guy doing this report who is not about to do a whitewash that isn't in his character. >> we haven't seen a shred of evidence that the governor knew anything about this lane realignment decision beforehand. we have had no incentive at our law firm to do anything other than to get to the truth. it reminds me of the movie line, they can't handle the truth. we believe we got to the truth. >> john heilemann that randy mastro. most waiting for investigation from the u.s. attorney office. what can we take away from the report from randy mastro on friday? >> willie, not a lot. it's a large document. political reporters have combed through it. many people have pointed to questions that the attorneys seem not to have asked or answers that were given that they didn't follow up on fully.

it's the case they did not interview any of the three most significant witnesses in the case they were given access to them because they either -- because some have pled the fifth in the case of bridget kelly and david wildstein. mr. sampson from the port authority, they didn't interview. people have pokes holes in this. apart from christie, from christie's political purposes trying to pivot out of this story before heading out to las vegas it's meaningless in the sense we are all waiting for the actual investigations of the u.s. attorney and the new jersey legislature to make a final judgment about what has actually happened here and still some months ae away. >> john, was it smart for this document to come out first, you think, is it in christie's advantage to have at least a body of work that vindicates him as a u.s. attorney and the legislature looks at this more and produces a report? >> well, the one thing that i totally agree with rudy giuliani

about is if christie had not undertaken some kind of internal review he would have been criticized for nap the fact there was an internal review was a necessary thing to satisfy his critics and people who are curious and feels there should be some accountability. no doubt it serves, again, his political interests to have this document out there but, again, i think fair minded observers will want to wait to see the final judgment of the two real investigating bodies that have subpoena power and are independent of the governor's office before anybody is going to make a final verdict on what has actually happened here. >> all right. so there you have it, john in the box. did they put the tm there? there you go. john in the box. thank you so much. i think that is how you finish the first segment, right? >> i thought we would talk about bridget kelly and what happened. >> what do you think about her? >> i think linda puts it best. reduced from strong decisive woman to weeping monday and 50

shades of -- she was not dependent upon men but also despondent over being love dumped by another alleged coconspirat coconspirator, bill stepien. was she suffering from pms? despite christie's firing of the bridget of the bridge and saying she was so stupid and so defeatful mastro made in his tone that she was smart and then she didn't talk to this guy, stepien, during bridgegate, which makes no sense. but it all doesn't make sense. i was asking the question as to why they put out the people they put out on some of the television networks. >> you're exactly right about bridget kelly. i think the shameful treating of this woman and this document. >> it's terrible. >> and by the office is going to come back and haunt them.

>> i would face the cameras on that. i would have done one-on-one. >> he's not doing that. >> no, he's not. coming up on "morning joe," we have filmmaker jerry bruckheimer and charlie daniels is going to be here. >> are you serious? >> i think i'll reroute my trip. i went to l.a. via omaha. he has so many great ones. charlie daniels is going to be here. little known fact. the guy that played the fiddle on "dwell went down to georgia" representative james clyburn is coming up. did you know that? no. he plugged that thing in. it was like he did that set thing and he actually had that line. no, no, you don't do it like that. they play "fire on the mountain." >> that farm aid was incredible

live. >> this is the new clyburn. >> clyburn can do a lot. let's go to bill karins with the forecast. we are at least up in the 40s and 50s! >> see you later, march. >> see you later, march. this is just one of the worst marchs ever in the areas of the mid-atlantic and northeast and great lakes. it's a fitting end. just cloudy, drizzle and snowflakes and baseball openers citifield the mets are opening this afternoon and also in baltimore. the orioles have their only homer too. later it gets better slowly. especially baltimore. in the mets game get better throughout the day. boston i give it until 2:00 in the afternoon and then the rain should end. the middle of the country a huge storm and another storm on the west. in like a lion and out like a lamb, that saying? no lamb today. blizzard conditions in the northern plains. this is mostly north dakota and south dakota up to minnesota.

we are talking 1 to 1 1/2 foot of snow from bismarck to grand forks. the southern half of the nation you look great. by the time we get to tuesday, we finally start to see spring arriving on the first day of april. 67 in d.c. and beautiful throughout all of the northeast. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪ weekdays are for rising to the challenge.

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welcome back to "morning joe." we are going to be doing, of course, must reads. first, i'm watching, you know, as you know, willie, we are down and we're working with the -- which, by the way, a lot of people that come up to me and say we miss willie, right, on "way too early." they do. they love thomas but they miss willie. you know what willie is doing? he has the ladle in the hand and pouring out the poridge for the orphanage. >> i have to make it myself. >> wednesday is the frost flakes and french toast. >> that's kind of hard to say. sorry. what made that pop in your head

and you say it? you know we are live right now? >> willie and i, on the way up from the orphanage, i'm going to just finish this story. you know, we got -- willie has got this -- this great van. it's like a '76 chevy van. we always watch "way too early." and fuzzy dice, the whole thing and carpet. we watch "way too early" on the way up. i'm going to get to this story. and we saw, this morning, "froz "frozen" is the number one animated movie ever. a guy who took his sons to see "lion king" 37 times, but i've seen indicate and jack to see "frozen" eight times. >> have you seen this? >> i have not seen it. i'm embarrassed to say.

>> the music is just extraordinary for this genre. but what is so surprising is they didn't really publicize this. the first time i knew about it when my 5-year-old said, let's go see "frozen." and i'm thinking what is "frozen"? it's the tenth top grossing movie time. >> now they put the lyrics up on the screen and the kids are dancing in the aisles and gives people another reason to go see it again and it's made a star out of adina manziel. it's an incredible phenomenon. >> you have to take your little girl there. that's when i knew this thing was really popping is every time i picked kate and her friends up from school or wherever and drive them around, they are all just singing these songs.

it's pretty crazy. >> they all know every word. it's incredible. >> jack and his 5-year-old friends, you know what they do? >> eat dirt? >> they eat dirt, number one. then they recite back to us what they hear on political playbook. huge 5-year-old fans. they love mike allen. what we are saying right now, i'm going to hear when i pick up jack at school, they love the birthday shout-outs! >> with us now the chief white house correspondent for politico, the man himself, mr. mike allen at a look that playbook. mike, good morning. >> good morning. and happy birthday to al gore. >> there you go. >> jack and his friends, today, they are going to go, happy birthday to al gore. i don't know how they do it. as art linkletter used to say, you're a huge fan. kids say the darnedest things.

>> happy birthday, vice president gore. let's talk a little politico here, mike. scott brown has decided to run for u.s. senate in new hampshire and going up against the democrat there who has a plan on how to make sure brown's campaign is not successful. what is her approach to going after scott brown? >> she is already going after him really tough. this is going to be one of the nastiest senate races in the run. scott brown not officially announced. he is exploring. but senator shea hen is going after him saying he is a tool of wall street and oil and gas interests and she knows that if there some sort of republican wave she could be in trouble. so the case she is making for herself is a little distance from obama. saying, yes, i voted for obamacare but i was the first person to call for an extension of some of the deadlines and fixes. she is talking about herself as

a pioneer and shatterer of glass ceilings. the brown campaign are using her plans to attack him to attack her! so they are contrasting her plans to do a slash and burn type campaign as our james homan reported with the main streets and living room tour that scott brown is doing for now. >> interesting thing in that piece of reference is the notion that there is a huge national wave for the republicans that shaheen is worried she can't defend herself even if she runs a great campaign? >> mark, as you know, new hampshire has been a bellwether and going towards democrats in the year away from them in the tea party year. this is one of those states that if there were a big wave, not a sign of it now, she could be in more trouble than she looks more money and double digit lead and everybody is calling her the

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let's do some sports. we are now down to the final four in march madness. >> today, uconn and michigan state have their chance to make their own history, their own magic. oh, my gosh! their own moments. nolan to the screen. there is payne again. this is napier again. >> he doesn't want to give it up. >> nolan wants it all! but the emotion, the elation goes to the huskies of the university of connecticut. michigan, kentucky, the last piece to the final four puzzle. driving and spin and stauskas. outside, stauskas for the lead.

no. once again, for the lead. this time, levert, no. what an incredible sequence. ten seconds. for the final four. harrison. that shot -- no, made it! right in his face! from the midcourt stripe. the shot. no good! no good! and kentucky takes the final spot! >> wow. what a weekend. what a turn of it. top seeded florida won, of course, and taking on sevenedship seventh seed uconn and in the late game, don't sleep on wisconsin. we haven't talked about them. they had a great game on saturday against arizona, one of the best of the tournament. 2 seed wisconsin on the lower part of the bracket against kentucky at number eight. it all gets started on saturday night in arlington, texas. >> the last loss florida had of the season was to uconn. >> you're big a uconn?

>> i was not before the beginning of the weekend but watching them friday and yesterday at the garden, i mean, to beat michigan state and a lot of folks call them smart in college basketball picked them to win it all. uconn was down and granted the crowd was on their side in the garden. >> any of the four of them could win, i think. all playing great. >> it's fair to say not many had uconn in the final four and that includes president obama. the huskies noticed it and tweeting sorry about busting your bracket, barack obama. we have room on our band wagon. the president chose michigan state to win it all. he wasn't alone. >> come on. >> kentucky is playing the best, though. >> i'm telling you, watch occupy for the badgers. i like fran ka mixeminski. mika's must read opinion pages is coming up.

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>> i think it's the marijuana. >> all of the cool kids talk about the must read's. let's go to the "wall street journal." demographics behind the democrats 2014 troubles as he calls them. early national poll is sporting the democrats are in trouble in the 2014 midterm elections and democrats are more popular than the gop. the party faces a number of challenges in november. first an enthusiasm gap. typically, but not always republicans vote at higher rates than democrats in degree of medical elections and at this early stage, that seems likely to happen again perhaps at an even greater rate than usual. another challenge for democrats is winning independents who decide election outcomes. the third challenge is winning whites. they will make up to 80% of this midterm's electorates. democratic candidates and

african-americans and latinos remain high less young people are enthusiastic. >> mark halpern, the question is have we gotten to a stage where the demographics rule so much that democrats win president shl ele elections and the republicans within in the off year. >> they are trying to change that by appealing to the voters on specific issues and coordinated strategy between the white house and congressional democrats. i think this piece puts a pretty good take on the current status of things and republicans have the same problem for 2016. they are trying to figure out how can they deal with the demographic problems of the makeup of a presidential year. democrats up first. they really do face a lot of challenges. that piece lays it out pretty well. >> john heilemann, for all of these reasons and others what is the conventional thinking you're sitting in washington right now among democrats about what could happen to the senate come

november? could it go to the republicans? >> i think the conventional thinking among democrats in washington, d.c. they are pretty scared about how things look in november of 2014. and i think most democrats think fountain election were held today, the odds are better than even that republicans would take control of the senate. their only hope -- the thing they are clinging to -- is that the election is not being held today and that they have another six or seven months to change the dynamic and the way mark was talking about in terms of getting out their people to vote in a midterm election the way they do in a presidential election and that the economy will get a little bit better and the exception of the affordable care act will get better and may tip the balance enough to retain control of the senate. >> harold, we republicans looked at awe with turnout operation in 2008 of the obama campaign and the democrats and, again, in 2012. people weren't talking about barack obama hope and change. they were talking about barack obama micro targeter. i mean, that is what the story

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♪ >> do you acknowledge that your standing has fallen? >> yeah. sure. but nothing permanent about that, same thing about my permanent standing high. >> welcome back. here we are, march 31st. >> that is snow. >> no, it's not. >> who wants to be in seaside, florida right now? march 31st, it's snowing! thank goodness april is coming. the temperatures get up to the mid-40s, if we are lucky. with us now the host of msnbc's "last word," lawrence

o'donnell and with us in washington, d.c., msnbc political reporter kasie hunt. a big weekend this weekend for republicans that want to be president of the united states. some of the country's most prominent gop candidates are returning from a weekend in vegas where one man's name was on everybody's lips. >> sheldon and i were kind of talking about background. sheldon and, say we own a restaurant together. so in ohio, we are no longer flyover, sheldon. hey, listen, sheldon, thanks for inviting me. >> a lot of sheldon's. casino mogul sheldon adelson pumpeding $12 million into the republican election cycle and what is dubbed the sheldon primary over the weekend and governor chris christie was there and scott walker was there and also creating a huge buzz local and also in the national media, former governor jeb bush.

lawrence o'donnell, you were talking about jeb all last hour. you were just saying if he is going out to this meeting, that certainly is a strong indication that he is either running or close. >> yeah. there's a lot of talk. you've been joininging it about he is really reluctant and not sure. that's a presidential campaign move going to that event. there is no reason to go over there to vegas if you're not, at minimum, very seriously thinking about it. >> yeah. chris christie was also there. but he ended up having to apologize for referring to the west bank as, quote, occupy territories while speaking with the jewish republican coalition. meanwhile, the wake of the report clearing the governor of wrong doing in the bridge scandal. there was some talk, of course, out in vegas that maybe chris christie had gotten past it but,

kasie hunt, you were out there. what did you hear specifically from chris christie? >> the donors liked to hear from him and he got a good reaction in the room but it highlighted what this bridgegate scandal has done for him in terms of damage. they are clearly looking for a white knight. adelson wants a winner and spends a lot of money on the election only to lose. at this point, that bridge scandal is giving big donors pause and they are going looking for not necessarily someone else, it's not as though they have tossed him completely aside, but i will say jeb bush was at the top of mine for a lot of the donors at this conference. he was someone who has clearly generated a lot of interest. to a certain extent this was a group of folks looking for a safe bet in 2016. i will say more excitement about bush than christie. >> especially, willie, obviously, after 2012 such a nightmare for the big donors that contributed to individual campaigns and contributed to

karl rove's crossroads and maybe one of the reasons they are looking at jeb bush strongly and a lot of problems there with the name and even his mother saying americans don't need to elect another bush but, at the same time, if jeb is the safe bet, right? >> yes. no question the last three months of chris christie has created a vacuum and the way jeb bush's name has come in to fill the vacuum. lawrence, how can governor christie go from the savior of the republican party in one moment and then over some traffic on a bridge, become persona nongrata and they have thrown him to the side if you believe the reporting out of las vegas. do you think chris christie is irredeemable as a national politician? >> absolutely and totally. >> do you really? >> absolutely. he has been so from the first big press conference he had about this event because he said these two sentences and all you have to say. he said, i delegate enormous

authority to my staff and cabinet, quote, word for word. then an hour later in the same press conference, my staff has hue ma humiliated and embarrassed me. you take those two things. he is done. he cannot possibly come back from this. it is utterly hopeless. liz drew was there for the big question about president nixon what did he know and how did he know? she has wisely pointed out it's not the question and not the question here when the governor, what did he know and when did he know it. this is the government he created. this is the christie government and that christie government goes up on the debate stage with him in every republican primary debate and he gets wiped out faster than giuliani. >> at the center of that staff you're talking about is a woman that now chris christie's people would have us believe was an emotional wreck, a love-sick

wreck. i mean, i don't think we can say it too much. it's just shameful what they are doing to bridget kelly right now, it's shameful. one of the most gratuitous side swipes of somebody i've ever seen and if she was really that much of a wreck and tears in her face and love sick and all of the other things that they are claiming now that bridget kelly was, why was she running new jersey? >> that is his problem. that is his debate stage. >> can't have it both ways. >> you can't. >> the thing to remember about bridget kelly is what this u.s. attorney's investigation going on and with people looking for immunity from it, there is no limit so what you might be willing to discuss with the u.s. attorney. >> if you're bridget kelly now, harold ford, if you're bridget kelly now and she is saying let

me talk, give me immunity and i will tell you, well, mark halpern brought it up last week, they have given bridget kelly no reason to not just go out and double down and defend her reputation and tell everything that she knows. >> it's a very curious approach by the governor's team. >> curious is the word i would use. >> if they are going to criticize her like this knowing she has an opportunity now to sit down. look. i didn't agree with lawrence's assessment a few weeks ago but as you watch all of this shake come out now, i think you'd have to agree or concur with what he is saying. hard to imagine a path for many to find the national stage and it looked as if he was on the national stage and dominated that stage just several weeks ago. >> joe, you're on the republican presidential debate stage. i bring up the quote, i dealt enormous authority to my cabinet and my staff, and i throw that at you, that your staff then humiliated you, the state of new

jersey and completely out of control, what do you say back? >> well, you know, i would -- i always -- when i was in congress, i was known as one of the most conservative guys there. i think like 95, 96 acu rating but i would have people around me that i disagreed with and people would always come and go, why do you have a moderate staff? and i would say, wait a second. i have a competent staff. are you telling me that you really think that i'm going to let my staff run my office and tell me -- because if you think that -- you have no idea. i use them to educate me so i make a better decision when i go to the house floor or go to committee. but if somebody says to me -- we all knew it. you knew in the senate and i knew in the house guys who were led around by the nose by their staff, most people -- >> but they don't say it publicly. >> you want to keep away from

the white house as much as possible because you want somebody in the white house that actually is running the white house and i think i'll talk about a republican and a democrat. i think the last two presidents have not been as connected as i would have liked them to be as president. so, yeah, i think you hit it. when chris christie says i delegate tons of authority and, by the way, my staff is a wreck. if you're going to delegate a lot of authority, you better be a good enough manager to know that the people you are delegating authority to are like james baker. ronald reagan could delegate to james baker. chris christie delegated to a woman that now his people are saying was an emotional wreck because of a love affair. it stinks. it smells. >> everybody says they didn't delegate anything to her, she was not someone who they

delegated to. i think there is a lot in the particulars of this investigation that are really difficult for chris christie and really incriminating for the administration generally. i say before you get to mastering the facts of the case, you've got these things that christie has publicly said. >> you and i, i would guess you and i disagree as i disagree with everybody about christie about what he knew and what he didn't. we agree on the delegation part. i think a lot of voters would also agree that this is a troubling set of facts, that they are trashing these people. now chris christie's people are trashing people that ran the state of new jersey and ran chris christie's operation and saying they were total wrecks and acting unprofessionally and emotional basket cases. oh, by the way, i let them run the state of new jersey. >> joe, it doesn't matter what we believe. a big majority of voters

nationwide do not believe his story. >> i believe his story, but the point i'm making is that may, in the end, be irrelevant to the big donors. by the way, kasie hunt, we will know the truth and the truth will set us free when these investigations are done. i think right now or lawrence thinks he is guilty or innocent that is irrelevant because the investigation will bear that out over time. >> it was clear that christie felt a need to try to put to rest some of the concerns you've been raising. he was asked at this conference what did he learn from the scandal and he came back and said, i learned not to be so comfortable with my staff that you have to be questioning and ask these people what to do. the other point i would make, too, is as he tries to move forward, get back into the presidential arena, his staff work is going to matter. if you think about this occupied territory's remark he made, he had one job going into there to

try to move these jewish donors and makes one of these mistakes that frankly was sloppy and he seemed to move past it and apologized to adelson and but not something you want coming out as a headline and it was so avoidable. >> he starts off as most do as a local politician. these governors. they don't know how to talk about these issues. but, man, you should have figured out on the plane to vegas how to talk about this particular topic to that audience. >> it seems strange. >> let's bring in chuck todd. the nbc political correspondent and host of "the daily rundown." chuck, do you agree with the assessment from lawrence o'donnell, at this point, chris christie is an irredeemable national politician? let's say, for example, the u.s. attorney's report comes out and reaches the same conclusions as cris's internal investigation that he had nothing to do with it, he didn't know about it and as soon as he found out he fired the right people, et cetera, et cetera. can he move past it at that point? look.

he had three great perceived strengths on november 2013. competency, straight -shooter ad bipartisan. bipartisan has collapsed we seen in the poll. they have gotten off the christie band wagon. he is either not being straight or a competency issue and i think that ultimately he needs to make up -- oh, by the way, let's not forget he has got -- he never has been trusted by the conservative wing of the republican party. he needed those other three strengths to overcome nap you start putting this together, i don't see it. i don't see the path. i don't see how it's recoverable for him as a presidential candidate, as a recoverable for him as a governor perhaps. but, again, i think this -- by the way, i thought all last week, it was almost too rushed. almost looked like he was desperate to get back on the presidential campaign trail, right, in a 72-hour period, he

does the report, the interview, the press conference where he acts like the old bravado is back and dashes off to vegas to woo a billionaire. have we sat back and understood we had one billionaire decide to throw an event and all of these guys came a running? i have to say this is welcome to the 21st century of politics. >> how many billionaires does it take to get all republican candidates to show up? >> apparently just one. >> john heilemann, if people at home, people who like chris christie and yelling at their tv sets, saying, wait a second, we are three years away from the first vote, they are exactly right. and i think the media jumping up and down on chris christie in the end will help chris christie with the republican base and talked about that before. what we are talking about right now and what a lot of people like to snarl about when you talk about presidential politics

two years out and it is two -- actually, we are one year. >> i was going to say, joe. >> we are one year out from people knocking on doors and campaigning in iowa and new hampshire. this matters to the donors. what we are talking about right now. every donor that chris christie talks to that is a gazillionaire that needs on his side is somebody that runs a very big corporation and is not looking at this situation. the two things that lawrence just said and said, wait a second. i would never run my business this way. if they are a republican donor they are thinking we got a guy in the white house right now that doesn't know how to run things. do i want a republican in the white house that doesn't know how to run things either? that is why these sets of fast and this past week, to me, i believe, is so damming to chris christie among the donor class. >> you can't overstate the extent to which the perception

that chris christie was or the punitive republican front-runner in november of 2013, december of 2013 was based on the donor class and based on the fact the republican donors were rallying around chris christie. you made a point earlier today when we were talking about jeb bush and why for the baggage of the bush name and donor class is gravitating towards him is he seems like the safest bet. the republicans want to twin in 2016. is there anything that is a safe bet about chris christie at this point? there does not. i think the truth for the donor class the biggest reservation they always had about him was that there was stuff lurking in the shadows that could come out later and be problematic and a problem with his temperament. what the last four or five months have ceremony is there is stuff -- >> and that he has a problem with his temperament.

>> your book, you and mark's book talk about the chris christie's chapter the most compelling and probably the most impactful on 2016 the reasons mitt romney did not select him as vice president. >> right. because stuff in the background that did not have to do with this bridge i think is also problematic. i'm with chuck on this. and lawrence. i think the problem with this scandal, even if he emerges legally impact and able to hold on to the governorship examine worsened fears. >> if you look at the report of in las vegas covering that event the donors it seems have moved past chris christie and on to jeb bush. how likely is it at this point and how hard are people pushing to bring him into this presidential race? >> there are people pushing very hard on jeb. he is wanting to make sure he has room to make this decision.

it's my understanding he doesn't believe there is anything -- there is always this thing with jeb. he is not going to do it because he doesn't want to put his family through this. various family situations in particular. the trouble that his daughter has had. but it's my understanding he has come to the conclusion that most folks will see, look, they are just like every other family. every family goes through problems. every family has somebody that has challenges that they have to overcome and so that isn't going to be some sort of issue for him. i think the question for jeb is he comfortable going through the republican primary gauntlet? the easy part is the general for him. my understanding is the conclusion he has drawn. the harder part is the primary process. >> chuck, thank you so much. who do you have on "the daily rundown "today? >> we are doing a lot of health care. the man in the white house brought in to refix it again, phyllis schero and spiking the

football. >> lawrence, this is an absolutely ridiculous question. i ask a lot of stupid questions over three hours, but i'm about to ask the dumbest. who do you have on your show tonight? >> i think chris christie is coming on -- no, he has got an outstanding invitation on the show. it seems now he did fox news last week. >> you would be next. if i were running -- oh, no. i only say that cheeto eaters. what i'm suggesting is i have the 10:00 p.m. hour and i would usually start planning it at about 8:00 p.m. and i now you and i are, in this one way, is kindred spirits. kasie, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, joe. >> the doctors are in. dr. zeke emanuel and dr. david

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how much does this 6 billion number actually mean? >> i don't think it means anything, chris. i think they are cooking the books on this. people want to know the answers to that. they also want to know once this is said and done, what kind of insurance will those people actually have? >> senator john barrasso on fox

news yesterday. dr. zeke emanuel is joining us and cancer doctor and best selling author david agus out with a new book, "a short guide to a long life." talk about the book coming up. first, do you believe the 6 billion number and how significant is it? >> the best website is aca sign up.net. the guy is a web developer in mitchell and has been the most accurate person so far. his prediction today is 6.78 million and it's in that range. and about 82, 83% of those people have paid for their premium and you can be sure the insurance companies will chase those other 18%, 19% carefully because they want to make money on. it's going to be good and surprising given everything else, two months of terrible website. i think the administration can be comfortable. plus notice with this big surge.

as david was pointing out to me before we came on, no problem with the website. it's actually working and so that is, i think, another real surprise that they really have the website working mechanically in terms of server capacity and all of that. >> of the 6 million is the group populated with enough healthy people to make this work? is this the right kind of person who signed up for it? >> you pointed out health cay people is what we are worried about. the real issue it seems to be enough. probably in the high 27%, 28% but that is more than enough to get us there and to keep the rates sufficiently stable and that is really what you care about. >> mark, we go to your question. point out the obamacare website was down as of midnight. >> oh, really? yes, as the deadline arrives. >> yesterday, i logged on at 10:00 p.m.! >> you got there early. it's down. >> one issue you didn't address

the total number. you said pretty -- a high irpercentage than most people have report. what about the number of people signed up who previously had insurance and not new people being covered? >> unfortunately, most states don't ask that so we don't have a good number so far of it. what we do have is the gallup poll, the last few months, begun asking people are you insured or not and we have seen a steady drop over four months now to under 16% to over 18%. it does seem to be having an impact on the uninsured rate. i mean, i think the important point is that we really are able to have a website and actually we now are beginning to know the characteristics of a good one. i was up in connecticut last week. the guy who runs it, a former executive. he has a big board and where are they having problems so they can address it and what is the total

enrollment. they are thinking next year getings it on tablets and smartphones and you ask a question and they give you the answer on a smartphone. you need that creative thought. connecticut is selling it to maryland. what kind of state agency you got there? that is beginning to market what it's got because it's so good. so i think this is developing well. my real concern is that the federal government really needs to make sure that, you know, they have seven months before the next open enrollment period to make sure they can beef up the user experience and make it faster and things like that. >> dr. agus, if we can strip politics off the affordable care act and look at it as a health care policy on its own, what is the best possible outcome for the affordable care act and how would it make health care better in this country if you believe it would? >> access to care is a remarkable thing and it should be a right in our country.

at the same time, prevention will make us healthier and live longer. it pays for prevention and pushes people hopefully to a prevention. the most cost efficient and best way if all of us and hopefully it goes that direction. >> do you think this does that? >> i think the potential to do that. anything. it depends on who the users are and the doctors and the patients are but it pushes and it pays for all prevention which is something i care about. >> your new book is called "a short guide to the long life." what do you tell people in this book? what can they do? >> 65 rules to do and not to do and it's telling you things that hopefully can portend for a longer and better life. we go through lifestyle changes and occasionally medications. most people come to the gym for an hour and come to work and sit. sitting for five hours is the

same as smoking a pack of cigarettes? >> really? >> it's movement over time equals health. we need to move. you get up and you move all the time. the richer you are in our country, the more bathrooms you have so you don't have to walk room-to-room to go to the bathroom. the bigger ceo you are the closer your parking space is to your desk and needs to be changed. >> what do you recommend? the average person is presumably working in the work day. how do you move up? >> every half hour walk to the printer. walk to the bathroom. one of your meetings during the day make it a walking meeting day. i have a treadmill in my office. it's dangerous to get used it but it works. two days i would be doing e-mail i am walking doing it. >> how many steps do you recommend? >> it's not steps. it's movement over time. it's the rhythmic motion that makes it work. i much rather you walk a half

hour every couple of minutes than one long walk. >> get an annual flu shot and take a baby aspirin. you say avoid vitamins and supplements you don't like. juicing and detoxing. don't do any of those. >> not me but what the data says. 60 studies large vitamins and supplements versus nothing. no effect at all. in some studies increase cancer and other problems. side effects, no benefits. save the money. we spend more on multivitamins and supplements in our country than we do on medical research. that, obviously, needs to change. once you put a free throw or a vegetable into a blender you get oxidizing right away so you're main lining sugar. the key is eat the real fruits. you have an organ called a liver that detoxes and no pill will do it! >> the book is great. we love it. dr. agus, thanks so much and

zeke, good to see you. >> nice to be here. coming up, without him, he we would never have known the likes of axle foley or jack sparrow. director jerry bruckheimer is standing by to join us next. keep it here on "morning joe" opinion pinion inion ♪

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>> he'll do it. i know it. he doesn't know how to fail. >> wow. >> i just got to say wow. because those movies took me through, like, every phase of my life. >> yeah. >> it's really amazing. it really is remarkable. it has defined an era. in fact, defined a few for me because we are getting old! that is a look at just a few, just a few of jerry bruckheimer's big block busters through the years. he is with you to talk about the book. disney had a great idea and you got to get this book. jerry bruckheimer when lightning strikes, 40 years of film making. "top gun" "beverly hills cop."

i saw "armageddon" again. nobody captured the middle '90s any more than that. johnny depp has a reason for calling you one of the greatest producer that hollywood has ever known. >> well, he is a terrific individual. a fantastic actor. a good friend. >> by the way, what a revelation he was in "pirates of the caribbean." for all of us adults on the ride and say, god, i hate that and how are they going to turn that into a movie? you have a vision. johnny depp comes out as keith richards, you know? esque. it was remarkable. >> that was the idea. the idea was to put somebody in that movie that was so different that the audience would say, i got to go see this. i've never seen johnny depp do a real commercial movie and especially about a theme park ride of all things. it changed everything. just putting him in that movie.

>> it really did. you having the confidence to put him in the movie and letting him go somewhere that most people wouldn't let him go. >> by the way, it wasn't on the page. >> right. >> he created that character. it was a much -- it was burt lancaster the way it was written, this tough old pirate and johnny depp turned it into a keith richards, is he straight, gay, drunk? >> all of the above. >> the correct answer is yes! >> this is great, though. we mentioned "top gun." if i can lift this book. not only is it a great book for your coffee table but a good workout in lifting it. kelly mcginnis and tom cruise how young they are right here. that's when goose and maverick were introduced to our lives and we have never forgotten it. >> here's a moment. i talked about "armageddon" in '96 and '97 and that captured the mid-80s like nothing else. >> to this day, tom tells me wherever he goes in the world, whether the jungles of brazil

scouting locations, they call him maverick p.. people you think would never see a television or be in a movie theater, remember him as maverick. >> one of the great things of the book is iconic photos from your film but great photos of you as a younger man holding cameras. just talk about how you got interested in doing this and your love of the business before you were in the business. >> well, i grew up in detroit. lower middle class family and never thought i would get to california. >> son of jewish immigrants? >> yes. >> i love that shot. one of the most iconic shots i've seen. >> i had an uncle who was a big photographer. he would always give me hand me downs. from the time i was 6 i had a camera around my neck and taking pictures. i love capturing moments and still do it on all of our sets he and there taking pictures.

>> you started as a ad man in new york. how did you make the jump? >> i won a bunch of awards when i was in detroit. i started in a mail room there and got to new york and worked for bbd&o on pepsi and a director named dick richards took me to california. he had a movie called the culpepper cattle company and we shot for a million bucks for fox theaters and that was my entree into movie making. >> when was your first moment figuring out, i can do a living doing this and proudly doing this the rest of my life? >> i think by the time i did "flashdance" i thought we finally made a hit and it took off. >> you just talked about another movie that defined the early "80s with "flashdance." >> i'm getting a workout this morning holding up this book. there is jennifer beal there and

where the water slashes down on her. >> we became partners on this film and my career took off after this movie came out. >> talk about a movie that took off and surprised that you did. then there is -- lawyers always talk about the case they should have won and they lost and the case they lost and should have won. what is the case that-- what was the movie that you just thought might not break through but became huge? >> every sim ongle one of them. always scared to death. thought "flashdance" nobody would see it and it cost $ 4 million. westwood the opening night kids were lined up to see the movie. i couldn't believe it. they leave the theater' go to the record store and buy the dvd. that was it. they go back in the theater again and it was magic.

>> we are talking about "frozen" off camera and how big that became. "fla "flash"was the same. every girl was singing. >> and girls were cutting off their sweatshirts. >> you're responsible for that? >> no, adrian is. we are fortunate working for the great directors who made all of these hits for us. >> is there a movie you thought was going to take off that, afterwards, you're like, i don't get it. >> not one of them. i swear to you, i all think they are going to die. we had movies that we preview that are fantastic and you say, well, it's going to be a u chhu hit and it's not. you really don't know. we have had movies that didn't preview well and became huge hits. >> we got to go. what is your proudest work? forget the money and everything. these very poignant stories with

nora ephron and final weeks watching the movies with her family. what is a movie you'd want to watch? >> the book is a celebration of the career. and it's about all of them. you know, you live through them. it's like going to summer camp. you live with these people and you eat with them and you disappear. you come back next summer there might be new kids there and that is what movie making is. >> incredible pictures. >> thank you so much. incredible pictures and incredible career and incredible book. >> get this book. you might need to buy a bigger coffee table but it will absorb it. look at this thing. >> amazing pictures. >> coming up next. how should the democratic party approach the midterm elections? we have talked about some of the demographic challenges they are facing. congressman jim clyburn is here talking about his party's game plan for november. more "morning joe" when we return. ♪ take your passion

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>> with us now is jim clyburn. great to see you. are you doing okay? >> doing okay. great to be here. >> it's great to have you. it's pretty tough working in the house right now. the house and the senate. quitt. >> yeah. >> congress is becoming a lot tougher jonathan even when we worked together. >> yes, it is tougher. and you know the media cycle is getting smaller and smaller, quicker, quicker. a and, therefore, it's kind of lay out the kind of visions you'd like to see for the country. because you have to respond so often. >> you know, we were talking this morning about a report out that the democrats are having some demographic issues on the midterms. >> sure. >> what's the message? what is the message to pull people in that voted in '08 but didn't vote in '10, voted in '12 but not thinking of voting in '14. >> we'll have to concentrate at the local levels.

the fact of the matter is, we won't have a national ticket in most states. what you have to do is concentrate on the gubernatorial races and the senate races. i think we'll have some surprises this year. i feel pretty good about those races. >> congressman, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> quickly, the democrats have been urging on the president's behest an increase in the m minimum wage. what do you think the likelihood of it happening before the election? and what's it say about the democrats' messages? and any real changes to the affordable care act? we've heard democratic senators saying, believing some changes need to be made to improve their chances of winning in the south, midwest and other parts of the country? >> first of all, minimum wage, i think we're going to stay focused on that. we believe it's important have a minimum wage increase. the fact of the matter is we've been at $7.25 now for, what, ten years? it's time for us to do something about that.

now, will it happen before the elections? i don't think so. >> you don't think so. >> no. i don't think the republicans feel that they will pay a price if they don't. >> your voice is a little hoarse. you were cheering for kentucky yesterday, weren't you? >> no, i was cheering for usc women last night. >> oh, good! how did that go? >> it did not go well. >> so that's why you're hoarse! >> i walked right into that one. >> -- the president is doing everything they possibly can to help you win back the majority? >> well, i don't know if they're doing everything they possibly can. we will get there. i feel real good about where we are now. i know that -- >> but what about the white house? he's asking about the white house. are you getting the support you need from the white house? >> well -- i know the answer. i'm wondering if you'd say it here today. >> every house democrat i talk to continues to believe, despite changes in the white house political operation, that they don't think that the president and the white house is fully

committed to doing everything it can to help you in the majority. is that your view? >> no, that's not my view. i don't know whether or not i would go as far as he's not doing everything. no, they aren't doing everything. there's some things i'd like to see done, because a lot of fund-raising going on. i do not believe that fund-raising will be key in november. i think the organization will be key. and if we can get the white house to come in, or at least the president's political operations, to help us at the state and local levels the way they did in ohio and florida, the mechanisms they put in place were just great. >> but that's not happening now? >> i don't think so. >> all right. look in the camera, ask the president. >> well, no, i'm going to get on the phone and ask him. >> well, listen, better luck with the usc women next -- >> well, we will. i'm keeping my fingers crossed. we got the number-one person in the country, happens to be a

young lady in the country, the high school. >> yeah. >> happens to live right there in columbia, south carolina. >> oh, good. >> and i'm hoping she'll stay home. if she does -- >> a book coming out -- >> you have a book may 5th? >> book is coming out may 5th, "blessed experiences." >> i love that. >> and more this size or this size? >> well, it will be in between. it will be a memoir. >> like goldilocks. >> jim, i love having you on. >> i look forward to being back to talk about my book. >> yeah, come back. >> because you're in it. both you guys. >> i can't wait to read it. >> very good. >> jim cliburn, thank you so much. let us know how the call with the president goes. coming up, a sitdown interview with the cast of broadway's "of mice and men" coming up. europe has big buildings like ours.

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good morning. it's monday, march 31st. welcome to "morning joe." some of the country's most prominent republicans are returning from a weekend in vegas where one man's name was on everyone's lips. >> sheldon and i were kind of talking about his background. sheldon and i owned a restaurant together. so in ohio, we're no longer flyover, sheldon. hey, listen, sheldon, thanks for inviting me. >> oh, wow. casino mogul, sheldon adelson, who they were talking to from the stage, because they know him on first name -- i call him shelley. anyway, he pumped 92 million in the election cycle and big gop names spent the weekend in what's been dubbed the sheldon primary. this is a great story, guys. governors chris christie and

scott walker were there, along with former governor jeb bush. >> yeah, so go ahead. >> governor christie ended up apologizing for referring to the west bank as occupied territories while speaking at the jewish coalition. in the wake of the report clearing the governor of wrongdoing -- he is clear in the binge scandal -- democrats investigating him vowed to push on. the governor's surrogates -- are we going to show the surrogates -- had a full p.r. press -- >> before we get to that part of it, let's go out to vegas. >> sure. >> there's a big story coming out of vegas, and that is the emergence of jeb bush as the presumptive front-runner -- >> whether he likes it or not. >> whether he likes it or not. the whispers are out. there you know, you hear it among top rnc donors. there's not an excitement. i'll be really honest with you. nobody is going, oh, we've got to get jeb. it's, like, we've got to get jeb. >> i think it's -- >> no, no, no, listen, i love jeb. i'd be thrilled if jeb were running.

i'm telling you, there's not the excitement out there. they're kind of saying, we've gotta get jeb. and that really emerged out in vegas, didn't it? >> there's no grassroots fervor for jeb bush. he's not trying very hard. he did go to this event, although his speech was closed. you framed it right. the big donors want somebody who can beat hillary clinton, a big establishment figure, who they think can help remake the party. for all of jeb's flaws as a candidate, they believe he is the strongest choice. they're desperate to get him in, as they were four years ago and failed, but more hope now. >> not only easily the best one out there among the big donors, he's the only one. i mean, that's just how they feel. >> everyone else is a backup. >> yeah. listen, among the big attorne attorneys -- big donors, and this is what people watch the show for, because we tell them what people are actually saying, and this is what makes a lot of

che cheato eaters really angry, none of the big donors think rand paul will win. none of the big donors think ted cruz will win. none of the attorneys -- fill in the blank -- you name it. none of the big donors will win. they think jeb can beat hillary clinton, and they don't see anybody else out there but chris christie -- right now, guess what? i haven't talked to one that thinks cles christie can. you know what? in the eyes of the big republican donors, that ship has sailed. >> i'll say one more thing about him. if you talk to democrats who met jeb, they say, you know what, the republican donors are right. jeb would be really strong, and he might be a good president, but you talk to democrats who never met jeb, oh, he's a bush, been out of politics too long. that's part of what republican donors realize, jeb could appeal to democrats. >> i saw jeb up close in florida for eight years. jeb, in my opinion, would be a great president. he'd be a guy i'd be really

excited about -- >> so his brother of george w. bush, son of -- i mean, he's a bush. is that a bad thing or a good thing? >> well, that's actually -- it's so funny. the great irony here 1994 when jeb was running for governor, everybody was grousing and saying, if his last name weren't bush, there's no way he'd be running for governor right now, and have the nomination. now, you can say if his last name weren't bush, i think he would have been president. he would have won in 2012. if his name were jeb smith, there's no doubt he would have won the republican nomination, and he would have been elected president. but i tell you, i brought -- and i've been surprised -- i brought his name up for -- people ask me, who's your choice over the past five years? you know, you've been there a lot of times. well, personally, i love jeb bush. and you just hear this murmur through the crowd. >> but what's the murmur for? >> bush. bush.

i mean, this is a huge obstacle for him inside the party, outside the party, and it's just something he's going to have to get past if he decides to run. i don't know if he can get past it or not. >> well, governor christie's story -- >> hold on. what -- >> i was going to say, i wonder how much of this is jeb bush's interest in the process and how much of it is donors trying to drag him in, and the media trying to drag him into the process? is jeb bush genuinely interested in running for president? is he really looking into it personally, or people doing it on his behalf? john heilemann, maybe you're a good one to answer that. >> well, willie, i think there's no doubt the media and donor classes they were saying are trying to drag jeb bush into it. everyone else in the republican party i talk to still continues to discern in governor bush, former governor bush, a fair degree of ambivalence about this. and it was that ambivalence that not just the bush name, but the ambivalence that kept him out of

the 2012 sweepstakes, and might still keep him out of the 2016 sweepstak sweepstakes. joe, to your point, the bush name. if there's disquiet in the party, the only drawback to jeb bush is everyone looks at the prospect of hillary clinton as the democratic nominee. and recognizes that the biggest advantage that republicans would have running against her is that she seems old hat. she's a clinton. she's yesterday. and if the party -- the republican party wants to look like tomorrow and make the argument that they are the future, and that in hillary clinton the democrats are the past, they give up that advantage if they nominate jeb bush. because forget about all of the other problems with the bush name. >> right. >> he is a retread in the eyes of a lot of voters. and that's the one big drawback you can see, even among some donors, that look at him and say, we would be forefetting the future by going with jeb bush. >> that's well and good, but then who is the next for the republican party? the next that can win a general

election? that'd be the question. >> that is the question. right now, there's nobody that has stepped forward that fills that gap. >> yeah. >> it's not fair to jeb, i suppose. but think about this. if jeb bush were elected president, three of -- >> i know. >> -- the last five presidents would be from the same immediate family. three -- >> the immediate family. >> three of the last five presidents would be from the same immediate family. and i believe, and i don't know that a lot of people agree with me, i believe that hillary clinton, to john's point, is so beatable. and i'll tell you why. because she's going to come o out -- i've said it before -- she's more of a neocon than i am, certainly, more of a neocon than most mainstream republicans i know, that weren't swept into this stuff in 2002 and stayed in this stuff, stayed in the neocon side of the party. she'll be more connected to wall street than anybody else.

she's already given her apologist speech. and to john's point, jeb bush, a bush versus a clinton, that is not the future of the republican party. that's -- again, so there's -- and then you have on the other side of it the fact that jeb bush, without a doubt, is the best, strongest, most qualified candidate. >> so i think that's what you just said is ultimately the choice for the republicans right now. would you agree? given the names we have out there. given those who were in vegas, the names that seem to be actively pursuing this. is it a retread that you want who will pleasantly surprise america with his intellect? or a joke? those are the other choices. name one that really could win that wouldn't completely make the -- like the last primary -- a joke. >> well, i don't -- i think there are a lot of really qualified people out did.

>> can you name of the list anybody who's -- >> john kasich's a great guy. >> kasich's great, won't win. >> scott walker is great. he's another guy. to me, scott walker is a hero to me. and i could go down the list. that said, who can beat -- who can beat hillary clinton? right now? a list of one. jeb bush. so again, that's the tug here. >> the bush family is the most prominent political family in the country over the last 40, 50 years. i'm a clintonite. i think the country will want something new, and to the extent republicans can offer someone new who has a vision, has some successes in his or her state, and names perhaps they haven't heard of, i think the country will easily gravitate more toward -- look at illinois. they nominated a person for the governor's seat, republicans, who had never run for office before, a wealthy businessperson, able to beat two established republicans in that primary. i think republicans will be looking for something outside of

that. jeb bush will have to identify how he will differentiate himself, not only from hillary clinton but from a little bit of his name and a little bit of the party's failures over the last several year, which has been a lack of a vision, i think in some ways lack of specifics in tackling health care, and if there's a republican that can do it, it is jeb bush, because he intellectually is more superior than -- >> oh, again, mika, again, it's a fan club here. he's extraordinarily qualified. i never campaigned with anybody -- never seen anybody -- and this includes bill clinton -- that knows more about the issues surrounding him. i have walked from schools where the guy has dug down really, really deep on education reform, and then we drive to a nursing home, and he's walking in the front door, and the nurse comes up to him. how's everything going? he goes, well, governor, you know, good. but -- and then she starts to point at a wheelchair. he goes, i understand, the reimbursement from medicaid. i understand, this year, the formulas -- and, you know, i've

none people -- i know a lot of people that work with jeb say the most horrifying thing about a cabinet meeting with jeb is, they say you can study all week and it doesn't matter what the issue is, and jeb always knows more than they do when they sit down around the table. he's a brilliant guy. but there's -- there's this tug. that's why it's -- that's why it's going to be, you know, a huge question mark. >> my personal experience is, when you look at a man and his ability to get a job done, you don't look at his brother, because brothers are often very different. i have a republican and democrat brother in the same family that get along very well. if you look at their father, and h.w., and then ask yourself the question. anyhow, we have to move on. >> a great man, by the way. >> that 41. a great, great man. >> chris christie's surrogates, did you see that, you guys? it was embarrassing. a full-court press on the sunday shows. take a look. >> what do you mean? >> it is a vindication of the

that the governor didn't know beforehand and the governor didn't order it. had he not done this investigation, he'd have been accused of closing his eyes to this. he's got a guy doing this report who's not about to do a whitewash, that isn't in his character. >> we haven't seen a shred of evidence that the governor knew anything about this lane realignment decision beforehand. we've had no incentive at our law firm to do anything other than to get to the truth. it reminds me of the movie line, "they can't handle the truth." we believe we got to the truth. >> i love -- i love that guy. i love that guy. i have evidence -- there is no evidence whatsoever that u.s. troops are at baghdad's airport. that guy's great! why do you put that guy out on sunday shows? >> so here's the thing. >> who is making this choice? as the lady says on the stand, willie, at the end of the verdict, who are these people? who are these people?

>> -- reports about troops massing on the border -- >> oh, come on, please. coming up on "morning joe," scott brown's trip across the border may end up being more than he bargained for. that's up next in the politico playbook. and he's given bob dylan's songs a country twist. charlie daniels will be here. first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill, what's it looking like? >> joe, it figures we'd end march like this. it's been a brutal month for the northern half of the country. let me show you these pictures from connecticut. it rained all weekend and then just fitting, waking up and driving in snow. there's even some school delays in the connecticut area because of the snow. it's heavy and wet, and most roads are okay. just the bridges and overpasses. three storms on the map. one off the coast of the east. one right in the middle. and one off to the west coast. and all three of them are providing us with problems. in the east, it was the rain over the weekend. now mixing in with some snow.

even as far south as new jersey, we've had know. new york city area, and again, not a lot of accumulations. more or less the annoyance factor. it should be all over and with by the time the mets start their game later this afternoon, home opener. in the middle of the nation, heavy snow. this is a problem. if you're traveling through south dakota, north dakota, this is an all-out blizzard. windy, the snow blowing and drifting. the purple color is over a foot of snow possible from bismarck all the way up to grand forks. so the forecast for your monday, last day of march, the whole southern half of the country, by the way, you look just fine. 80 in dallas is great. look at kansas city. that's a beautiful day. atlanta looks great. new orleans, all through florida. so it's really just the northern half of the country that's struggling. and you are going to see more rain moving in later today in san francisco, and a silver lining. today is a nice day in d.c. tomorrow is even better at 67. the areas that are seeing the nasty rain and snow this morning, like new york city, tomorrow 57. april 1st will finally begin to feel like spring. speaking of baseball home

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we saw this morning, "frozen" is the number-within animated movie ever. >> ever. >> it was a guy that took his sons to see "lion king" 37 times. i would find this hard to believe, except for the fact i've taken kate and jack to see

"frozen" 38 times. willie, what's so shocking -- have you seen this yet with your kids? >> i'm embarrassed to say i've not seen it. my kids have seen it three, four times. >> the music is just extraordinary for this genre. but what's so surprising is they didn't really publicize this. the first time i knew about it was when jack -- my 5-year-old said -- let's go see "frozen." but, yeah. can you believe it? it's the 10th-biggest grossing movie of all time. >> that's incredible. and it comes in waves. now they have the sing-along version where they put the lyrics up on the screen. >> that's when i knew this thing was popping was every time i picked kate and her friends up from school, or wherever, and drive them around -- >> what they wanted to do. >> -- they're all singing these songs. it's pretty crazy. >> they all know every word. incredible. >> yeah. and jack and his 5-year-old friends, you know what they do. >> eat dirt.

>> they eat dirt, number one. two, they recite back to us what they here on politico playbook. >> is that right? 5-year-olds. >> the 5-year-olds. huge politico fans. >> advanced class. >> they love mike allen. >> and precocious. >> they are a little precocious. but they do. i'm going to hear when i pick jack up at school -- >> the birthday shoutouts and the playbook. >> they love them. the chief white house correspondent for politico, the man himself, mr. mike allen, with a look at the playbook. good morning. >> good morning. and happy birthday to al gore. >> there it is. >> see? the birthday shoutout. so jack and hit friends today, happy birthday to al gore. >> al gore, right. kindergarten. >> these kids are crazy. as art linkletter said, you're a huge art linkletter fan, obvi s obviously, kids say the darndest things. >> happy birthday, vice president.

scott brown has decided to run for the u.s. senate in new hampshire, going up against sheheen, who has a plan to make sure brown's campaign is not successful. what's her approach to going after scott brown? >> she's already going after him really tough. this will be one of the nastiest senate races in the country. a fascinating one. scott brown, not even officially announced, he's exploring. but senator sheheen is going after him, saying he's a tool of gas and wall street. she knows if there was some sort of republican wave, she should be in trouble -- she could be in trouble. so the case she's making for herself is a little distance from obama. she's saying, yes, i voted for obamacare, but i was the first person to call for an extension of some of the deadlines, some of the fixes. she's talking about herself as a pioneer, a shatterer of glass ceilings. a brown campaign memo, they're

using her plans to attack him to attack her. so they're contrasting her plans to do a slash-and-burn type campaign as our james whoman reported, with the main streets. >> mike, interesting thing in that piece, a reference to the notion that if there's a huge national wave for the republicans, that sheheen is worried she can't defend herself, even if she runs a great campaign. >> yeah, mark, as you know, new hampshire has been a bellwether going towards democrats in the pelosi year, away from them in the tea party year. and this is one of the states that if there were a big wave -- and there's not a sign of it now -- she could be in more trouble than she looks. at the moment, with more money and a double-digit lead in polls, everybody is calling her the favorite. >> politico's mike allen. thanks. "of mice and men" is back on broadway. a behind-the-scenes look at the john steinbeck classic, including james franco, next on "morning joe."

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♪ john steinbeck's masterpiece "of mice and men" is returning to broadway. i got the chance to sit down

recently with members of the cast, james franco and chris o'dowd. this is the first time for you on broadway, you've all done a lot in your careers. this is first for all of you. how are we feeling? nervous? anxious? >> well, i was fine before you brought it up. i had presumed you had done it before, now i'm worried. >> yeah, it's terrifying. really. >> yeah, but exciting. >> what does theater give you all that you don't get from some of the other media that you do, whether it's film or a tv show or writing? what do you expect to get from being on the stage with a live audience? >> a lot of it, for me -- i love theater, and i've loved theater from -- i've just been a theater fan for so long. and a huge part of my life. i never really done it like this. so that's part of it, just being able to join that world is kind of a dream come true. but i think it's the live experience. you know? that's the big difference, is

the aura of a live experience. >> you know, you do it from start to finish, and once you're up there, it's just us. you know? it's really cool. >> did you all know each other, first of all, before this? >> no, i hadn't met nor wanted to meet either of them before. but here we are. >> against your will. >> yeah, it's been really great, actually. and anna shapiro, the director, is a very strong, solid woman. that's how women like to be described, right? and very incredible -- >> like an oak tree. >> yeah, like a massive oak. >> james, you said something pretty remarkable. i was reading an interview with you, and you said steinbeck is my man. he strangely feels like a father. what do you mean by that?

>> you have your parents to kind of teach you to be a responsible person, you know, hopefully a civilized person, a good person. but once you go into your creative life, you need to find new parents. you need to find your artistic parents, your guides, the people who are speaking the language that speaks to you. and early on, steinbeck was one of the dreams. >> leighton, what does this piece mean to you? what is the story about? i mean, we've all read the book. we think we know what it's about. as you listen to them go back and forth and you feel the essence "of mice and men," what is it about to you? >> i mean, it's weird, especially during rehearsals, it's been taking on different meanings every day. you find something new. and the play is actually quite a bit different than the novella, because my character sort of reveals herself at the end to be so similar to these guys and

have same dreams and desires. >> who is lenny to you? who is this guy? what does he represent? >> i don't know and -- in a funny kind of way, i try not to think about it too theatrically, you know. i think when you get into what do these people represent, in a way he's nature versus society. and i don't know if it's that helpful. it's almost -- that's the work of the audience and the work of the dramatists, i think. i have to think, this is a real person. he's not representing anything. he's just this -- as -- described differently in the book as either a baby or a bear, essentially that's what he is. >> how about george, james? who is he? >> i think you see in a lot of steinbeck books a character like this. he's sort of steinbeck's kind of every-man stand-in for -- maybe steinbeck in a lot of ways.

and he's a guy who dreams big, but he is faced with the harsh realities of his world and his situation. >> cool. thank you, guys, so much. really appreciate the time. "of mice and men" is playing at the long acre theater. coming up next, "business before the bell" with cnbc's sarah eisen. we'll be right back on "morning joe." [ male announcer ] this is joe woods' first day of work.

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curb taco bell's four-legged front man. >> right now, mcdonald's is by far and away the number-one breakfast seller. could that change? possibly. but taco bell or anyone else is really going to have to spe spend billions of dollars to get there. >> reporter: that's because for decades, mcdonald's has been the undisputed champion of the quick, inexpensive breakfast. more than a quarter of the $50 billion spent on breakfast goes to mcdonald's. it's no surprise in recent years that other high-profile challengers like starbucks and dunkin' donuts have launched and expanded their breakfast options. but they say the new taco bell campaign is different because it's personal. >> i am the ronald mcdonald. >> oh, yea, ronald mcdonald speaking up. that's craig melvin reporting. "business before the bell" with sarah eisen. it's so fascinating to watch the marketing campaign taking place between taco bell and mcdonald's.

obviously, mcdonald's has a leg up in the investment in that market of breakfast. but taco bell is really coming on strong. >> well, mcdonald's has to defend its turf. we're talking about a $50 billion breakfast market. that's the prize here. mcdonald's has been dominant for a long time, but clearly, feeling the competition. big business. so here, i'm down here at the stock exchange, and it's the last day of the quarter for traders, and it's felt a little bit different than last year when the market ran up 30%. it's been a bumpier ride this quarter. we're set to round out with a little bit of a gain for the s&p 500. but the dow and the nasdaq, the tech-heavy nasdaq, also actually in the red. it does look like today, though, we will end on a positive note. one sector, or one group of stocks that everybody's been watching lately, has been the biotech stocks, because they have been absolutely on fire. they're what are called the momentum stocks. money's been pouring into them. except for in the last few weeks. and we've actually seen the air

come out of it. so everybody is watching these biotech stocks, the high-flyers as they're called, to see if they'll lead the broader market lower, or if it's just a rotation out of some of the high-flying momentum stocks and into the more quality names. just some of the dynamics here that traders are talking about on the floor. and speaking of conversation, the other fact that everyone is talking about, michael lewis, his new book on high-frequency trading. >> yeah. >> obviously, it's a big deal here. this is half of the volume of trades for u.s. stocks. he says the market is completely rigged and the high-speed traders are ripping off average traders, on "60 minutes" last night. >> i was going to say, after kentucky trounced michigan, the next thing you know, "60 minutes" comes on, and they lead off with the sound byte saying it's basically rigged. obviously, a lot of monday morning quarterbacking going on. >> absolutely. and the big question is what the regulators will do about it.

it's not a new issue here on wall street. the new york attorney general has actually stepped into the fray, trying to do something, regulate this, try to make it a little safer for the average investor. perhaps this book and michael lewis certainly has a lot of credibility after some of the other big hits, "the big short," "liar's poker," some of the other books. he's getting a lot of attention for this one, especially with the inflammatory remarks like individual investors are getting burned. and it's a rigged market. >> sarah, real quickly, the gm investigation, the latest? >> yeah, the recall has expanded, and now there are new questions about the regulators, why they didn't take action when they knew about some of the problems, the deaths led to the faulty ignitions. it will be a big week for that, because mary barra, the new ceo of gm, will be testifying before a house panel tomorrow, and then before the senate on wednesday. we're also going to be hearing about the regulators. so this is going to be a big one. >> they've definitely been trying to do some daily dollar short cleanup on this with barra

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♪ with us now on set, this is huge, baby. this is huge. music legend charlie daniels, the newest album is a tribute to bob dylan, "off the grid, doing it dylan." man, i've been a big fan for a long time. i'm going to date myself on "easy rider." >> oh, my gosh, you are dating yourself. >> i still know all the words. >> watch it. >> would you believe this man has gone as far as tearing stickers off of cars and voted for george mcgovern. well, talk about -- talk about dylan. you've been a dylan fan for a really long time. but you got a phone call. >> yeah, i did. bob was coming to town doing an album called "nashville

skyline," and i was supposed to play on the first session only, about 15 sessions booked to do it. so i got to stay around and do that one and finish two others. we did "self-portrait" and "new morning." and i was a huge fan before, and even huger after. >> yeah. and so, talk about nashville skyline. do you think that's one of dylan's best? >> i think it is. to me, from listening to the album before and then hearing "nashville skyline" and working on it, i thought it was a departure for him. >> it was. >> i thought it was different from anything he had done. he had exposed another facet of his talent we'd not heard before. i think "nashville skyline" is one of my favorites. >> you've had so many career highlights yourself, but in doing this, does this check something off the -- >> off the bucket list? >> -- the bucket list so to speak? of the life and times of charlie daniels in. >> this came along kind of offhand. we did a -- we did music for a tv show that took place in the

1800s, so we had to use 1800 instrument, which was acoustic instruments. we had never done an all-acoustic song. we'd used acoustic instruments on our record, but never, ever everybody playing the instruments at the same time. it was such a different sound for us. we said, let's do an album like this. well, what material would we do? back in the back of my mind, it snuck forward, bob dylan. let's do a tribute to bob dylan. and when you start with dylan's stuff, you never run out of material. the well is so deep. what we did, we tried to pick songs we could put our mark on. >> right. >> if we came to one, we didn't feel like we accomplished that. we kind of stepped over it and went to another -- >> you're talking about the ones that worked. which one -- it was the natural, that everybody said you guys started playing a couple of bars, you knew, okay -- >> well, "tangled up in blue." everything that we put on, "tangled up in blue" opens the album. everything we put on there. and there was numerical or

period type stuffs. we just picked on, the '60s, and i wanted to do "lovelady live" one of the top records, and we tried it, and we could not get away from the original recording of it. i didn't want to do that. i wanted to do something new. we had to move on and go to something else. we had a few songs like that that we could not get away from that original sound. >> yeah. and it was such a unique sound at that time. >> it was. >> "knocking on heaven's door," again, a real departure from bob dylan of the early 1960s. >> absolutely. >> so talk about the other songs. >> "times, they are changing" the quintessential bob dylan song. if huh to remember one song bob wrote. that one is easy to understand, so abstract. it was like a time, if you remember back -- you might be a little younger to remember it, i don't know, but i remember it well when the two generations were at logger heads, when times really were changing. and the older generation didn't

understand the younger generation, and vice versa. they were at odds about war. they were at odds about clothing styles, about lifestyles, about everything social. >> yeah. >> and he documented it. you know? >> well, you know, "on easy rider" that came at a time when you had two generations, of loggerheads, and you looked at it and you took the experience and you talked about it with a smile -- a smile on your face, you know? >> well, that song, i do remember a story about writing that song. i used to produce records, and produced the young bloods, a san francisco group, and we had a live recording, the pop festival, down in baton rouge, louisiana, right after "easy rider" movie, and all of the bands, airplane, chicago, all of them -- >> going down to baton rouge, instead of being in monterrey. >> they were all afraid that somebody would stop somewhere and somebody would run out with

a pair of shears and cut their hair. they were just nervous. the motel was like a camp or something. but i -- >> is that the idea? >> being from the south, i thought it was funny. >> yeah. >> i got to thinking about that, and we put this guy in this mad situation and extricated him. >> when it comes to you, though, a lot of people are familiar with "devil down to georgia," and a threat of a musician when it comes to the fiddle and the guitar. if you had to pick, right, between the fiddle and the guitar? >> i have been asked that question so much. and the only answer i can come up with, i really could not pick. most of the stuff that i write i start out with guitar. even the fiddle stuff, i'll start out with guitar and add the fiddle to it later. i can't imagine doing without it, and i can't imagine do without the fiddle. so my answer is, i won't give either one up. >> not going to give any of the children up. >> that's right. >> when do you make the transition from being a producer to a star? >> i don't look at myself as a

star, but i appreciate the -- >> come down to pensacola. >> i was just down there. >> they love you down there. >> yeah, i love being down there. i was doing record producing, i was still working on my own career at the time. just kind of an offshoot of something i did. i got asked to do. actually what happened, i was working with bob johnston, a legendary produce other, did bob dylan, johnny cash, simon & garfunkel, marty robins, just a bunch of people. and they had called, wanting to change producers, and had called to see if bob could take them on, another client. he said, i really can't, but i have this guy, charlie daniels, that could go in the studio with and cut an album. so i said, yeah, let's do something. we did. we cut an album that's called "elephant mountain" that's still one of my favorites. >> is there someone today, a country star, thank you think modern that encapsulates everything that nashville represents, you know, that --

>> i like musical outfits. i like zach brown band, because they're self-contained. they go into the studio with their own musicians. they write their own stuff. they do it their own style. they waited to get a record deal until they could get what they wanted. in other words, instead of a record condition said, here, we'll put new this box, and this is what you do, how you dress, they said, no, no, we'll wait it out. >> yeah. >> we know we got it. and they did. >> they bet on themselves. >> that is the best way to go. >> yeah. >> we had jerry bruckheimer on, talking about the movies and how he encapsulates a time. your songs do the same for me. i'm using a song from one of your lines, talking about japan back in the '80s, talking about chien narks and i always say the immortal words of the great poet, charlie daniels, you just go lay your hand on a pittsburgh steelers fan, and i think he'll understand. >> you know how -- why they came

back. why didn't you say dallas cowboys? why didn't you -- they didn't have tennessee titans at the time. but i used to go and do the -- i used to do national anthem at the steelers games and stuff. >> right. >> i would sit in the crowd with the steelworkers and people. i was so impressed. if i ever had to go to war, i want them with me. >> exactly. the pittsburgh fans, the pittsburgh people, great, great, strong people. like you said, the steelworkers, everybody else. plus, it didn't hurt, of course, they had mean joe green and everybody else into the '70s, and walk out in 10-degree weather with their sleeves torn off, they're tough. >> tough bunch. tough bunch, yeah. >> anyway, oh, look at this. they're playing "easy rider" as we go to break. charlie, a great honor to have you here. >> glad we finally got here, buddy. >> thank you. we'll see you soon. coming up next, what, if anything, did we learn today? co: i've always found you don't know you need a hotel room

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