i appreciate your time on "the ed show." always informative. that's ted ed. i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts tryright now. rev, this is a big day for america. over seven million people, high-five, brother, high-five. high-five, and high-five back to you, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, not one, not two, not three, four, five, six, seven million and counting. president obama announcing just moments ago that america's hit a major milestone when it comes to health care. >> 7.1 million americans have now signed up for private insurance plans through these marketplaces. 7.1. [ applause ] >> 7.1 millions of americans.

a million americans exceeding the administration's goal. it's a dramatic achievement for the president and the american people. and today president obama had a message for republicans still obsessed with trying to get rid of this law. >> why are folks working so hard for people not to have health insurance? why are they so mad about the idea of folks having health insurance? many of the tall tales that have been told about this law have been debunked. there are still no death panels. armageddon has not arrived. instead, this law is helping millions of americans. and in the coming years, it will help millions more. i've said before i will always work with anyone who is willing

to make this law work even better. but the debate over repealing this law is over. the affordable care act is here to stay. >> the affordable care act is here to stay. it's not going anywhere. but even today republicans refuse to accept it. paul ryan's new budget plan includes a full repeal of the health care law. the house is vote this week on a bill to dismantle part of the law. and ted cruz has the party's talking point down. >> i think it is the essence of pragmatism to recognize this thing isn't working. let's start over. let's repeal every word of it. >> they still want to repeal every word of it. the president's got a word for dead-enders like senator cruz. >> they have to explain why we should go back to the days when seniors paid more for their

prescriptions, or women had to pay more than men for coverage. back to the days when americans with preexisting conditions were out of luck. they could routinely be denied the economic security of health insurance. because that's exactly what would happen if we repeal this law. millions of people who now have health insurance would not have it. >> that's what republicans want to go back to, the way things used to be? for more than 7.1 million americans, that's just not acceptable. joining me now is congresswoman jan schakowsky, democrat of illinois, and msnbc.com executive editor richard wolffe. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> congresswoman, let us put in perspective. what does today's announcement do to transform the debate over health care? >> you know, 4.8 million americans went to the website,

healthcare.gov yesterday, and two million more were on the phone. and we're going to make sure that those people that weren't able to get served because of the tremendous volume are going to get health care. what it means in short is that obamacare, the affordable care act is working, and people want it. these aren't just people who are scared of people paying a penalty. these are people who want to have health insurance. and now they're going to have it. >> now, richard, you know, despite the fact that this is a huge victory for the american people and the president, and those of us who have supported the health care law, the affordable care act, the president also said there is more work to be done to get every american covered because there is still a large body of people not covered. listen to this. >> no american should go without the health care that they need. no family should be bankrupt because somebody in that family gets sick, because no parent

should have to be worried about whether they can afford treatment because they're worry they'd don't want to have to burden their children. the idea that everybody in this country can get decent health care? that goal is achievable. we are on our way. >> how do we achieve that? >> there is plenty of evidence out there to show that the states that have for plilg reasons opposed this law on -- on it's all really republican governors. there are no democratic governors out there who have taken this position. but those who have denied their own voters, their own people in their own states this extended coverage, have refused to go in with their own websites, they have all seen lower enrollment figures, or no enrollment figures if they don't even have websites that is a huge hurdle. the federal government has clearly struggled with the technology. but as this goes on, year after year, it's going to be that much harder for people to say this is

a disaster. i cannot take this money. it will erode the opposition. just these numbers will erode that opposition. that's a huge step forward for next year's enrollment. >> and, you know, congresswoman, the right doesn't want to admit that the law is working. so they're turning to a favorite attack, accusing the white house of cooking the books. listen to this. >> with millions of obamacare applicants appearing out of thin air now in the last few days, kathleen sebelius is fighting off allegations that they're cooking the books. >> well, look. the numbers are a bit of funny math. >> who is the fool? >> you said cooking the books in the administration. do you stand by that? >> i do. >> we don't know how many people have actually signed up for it. we have to take people's words for that. >> the real question is when have they not lied about obamacare? >> i mean, is that really the best they can do, congresswoman? >> i guess that is the best they can do.

but the truth of the matter is the big numbers do come as richard wolffe said from the state. to cook the books, the obama administration who have had to cook the books in many, many states. and that's where the big enrollment is. but let me also say the president's speech also painted a path of how candidates and members of congress should conduct themselves as we go toward the 2014 campaign. >> right. >> asking the republicans, okay, so are you saying you want to put people back not being able to get insurance if they have preexisting conditions? or women should face gender discrimination, or that we should have lifetime and annual caps on coverage for health care? is that your plan? you want to make seniors pay more for prescription drugs? we have to go on offense here, as he did in his speech. >> you know, richard, the congresswoman raise as good political point. in all of us that are policy

happy or very much fulfilled by this law, exceeding expectations today. the politics of it is will the democrats fight aggressively and defend this law or will some run and hide. and i think that's been the challenge. former clinton has said and others, embrace this. go out there. don't back up. >> they're going to have to because the next open enrollment season just so happens to coincide with the midterm elections. so whether they like it or not, there is going to be a debate about health care. and they really need to press forward there is no running away if this. you can say you want to change things, and you can quite clearly point out that the republican position is still from their leadership to repeal the entire thing. you cannot repeal something when you have ten million plus people who are enjoying the benefits of it. any republican strategist worth that name will tell every republican candidate that this is not a winning platform. they're going to have to move to, well, we want to fix this

piece or that piece. but right now they're caught between this rhetoric. we're going to have repeal every word of it or they're cooking the books, and where voters need to be. it's up to democrats to explain, as the president pointed out, what benefits have they actually got from this law? because i think there is still a lot of confusion. >> you know, congresswoman, when you look at the people, because the law is already working. here is a handful of people that have already been helped. this is what the democrats need to bring into the midterm election. look at this. >> says that the affordable care act has made health insurance a reality for him and his family. >> as cheap as it is, it doesn't hurt to try it. i got away with $10 a month. >> cavanaugh's focus is for $200 a month, she'll have health insurance for almost the first time in two years. >> it's an easy wait for this 60-year-old who has never had an individual health insurance plan. >> it will be a new experience for me to in having this sort of care.

>> as andrea ward's finished her health care enrollment she said a burden has been lifted off her shoulders. >> i was a congresswoman, and i was advising a candidate, and i'm not, but if i was, i would tell them to take the fight to them and let them say these people that are now making progress, that are now covered, these people are wrong. these people are cooking the books. let them fight with those people. >> that's the big scam. the big scam. and i think it's really political malpractice are those people, including members of congress that are saying don't enroll. and the koch brothers who have spent millions and millions of dollars to no avail, really, because we saw this big rush to enroll. but it's irresponsible. it is just wrong for members of congress to say don't get insured. and there are those who are doing that right now.

i think they're going to be on the losing end of this once people understand. they could at an affordable rate actually have the health insurance that they need. >> you know, richard, i think that the politics of 2014 could be about who has the courage to stand and represent what it is they represent, because i cannot see if you have people on the far right, with some of the most bizarre policy ideas that we've seen in our lifetimes. but proudly standing there, how can any democrat be shaky about standing up for something as needed and popular as health care? >> look, every voter is their own health care expert. it's really hard to spin it when you've got ten million people saying i got direct benefit from this. they all are members of families. they all know people. they're all talking about it. and the world won't end. so republicans have got a challenge here. they've got to tell people that this has worked out badly, even

though they're better off. and that's why the smarter republicans out there, even people like charles krauthammer said once this takes hold, we will never stop it. so we have to throw everything at it to stop it. what we learned today is they couldn't stop it. >> they threw everything, but they couldn't stop it. seven million, seven million people above all expectations, 7.1 million and still counting. congresswoman jan schakowsky, and richard wolffe, thank you both for your time tonight. coming up, we've got much more on this historic day for health care in america. more than seven million americans covered. we'll hear some of the powerful stories ahead. and republicans just can't handle it. wait until you hear how they're recycling old talking points. stay with us. vo: once upon a time

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tonight there are 7.1 million arguments against the gop's obsession with repealing the health care law. but do republicans realize they're on the wrong side of history? that's next. e. mattel started in a garage. disney started in a garage. amazon started in a garage. ♪ the ramones started in a garage. my point? some of the most innovative things in the world come out of american garages. introducing the lighter, faster cadillac cts. 2014 motor trend car of the year. ain't garages great?

history is not kind to those who would deny americans their basic economic security. nobody remembers well those who stand in the way of america's progress or our people. and that's what the affordable care act represents.

>> over seven million people enrolled in health care. and once again, republicans find themselves on the wrong side of history. they've been here before, back in the 1930s, republicans said social security would enslave workers. they said americans would feel the lash of the dictator. and that we must repeal it. it sound familiar? >> the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery. and it is in a way, it is slavery. >> we did not elect a dictator. we elected a president. >> we want to repeal obamacare. we could repeal obamacare. that's why we need to repeal this law. >> it's the same talking points 80 years later. republicans repeated those same arguments again in the '60s during a debate over medicare. here is future president ronald

reagan talking about health care for seniors. >> one of these days, you and i are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was like in america when men were free. >> reagan said that in 1961. senator ted cruz used those exact same words to attack president obama's health care law in 2013. >> one day we will find ourselves answering questions from our children and our children's children what was it like when america was free. >> the same, same words. they were wrong then and they're wrong today. health care is a right, not a privilege. and this law is here to stay. joining me now are msnbc's ronan farrow and goldie taylor.

ronan, let me go to you first. why do conservatives keep those talking points if history keeps proving them wrong? >> look, it's very hard to taken title manhattans away from people once they're given. you heard the remarks in president obama this is unrepealable at this point. it's done. we'll see if that is true, but there is an element for the concerted opposition of this of a little bit of trepidation. are we past the finish line? is it too late to roll this back? >> you know, goldie, the republicans had to squirm when the president gave a shout out to democratic lawmakers who made the law a reality. look at this. >> and that's thanks in part to leaders like nancy pelosi and dick durbin and all the members of congress who are here today. well could not have done it without them. and they should be proud of what they have done. they should be proud of what they have done. >> how much of this moment could energize the democratic voters and the democratic lawmakers

with him not only sharing this moment with durbin and pelosi, but having them stand up. and the team won this kind of spirit. >> well, they really did. pelosi, reed, durbin from my hometown of st. louis, they really did this work to make this day a reality. not only are 7.1 million americans going to get health care with these new enrollments, but the millions of kids like my children who are able to stay on my health care insurance because they're under 26 years old, or the people who are eligible under expanded medicaid in certain states. so that is a real win for america. the real question that we're going to be asking is not what was america like when men were free, but what was america like when men and women were not free? i remember not so long ago when i personally did not have health insurance. i do now under obamacare. and so that means that everyday americans, my neighbors and yours are going to have access to quality, affordable care. you take ben carson, for instance, ben carson knows what

it's like to stand in an near term when someone who comes in who is unable to pay privately, doesn't have health insurance, and gets turned away. when that law changed when people had to be accepted, that was an expansion and health care for everyone. this is yet another expansion. and so people like ben carson ought to be ashamed of themselves when they know that people working hard every day aren't able to get access to great care, but now they are. >> you know, ronan, the surge, the surge we have seen in enrollment comes after this sometimes unorthodox, this big push on social media and other platforms. check this out. >> have you heard of healthcare.gov. >> here we go. >> okay, let's get this out of the way. what did you come here to plug? >> sign up now. you never know when you might take a hit. spread the word and get covered today. >> while i have you, i think it's only fair we should talk about obamacare. and that rhymed.

>> we nag you because we love you. so go to healthcare.gov. >> is it going to be hard in two years when you're no longer president and people will stop letting you win at basketball? >> how does it feel having a three-inch vertical? >> it's a three-inch horizontal. >> now, critics on the right mocked this. but they're not laughing now. a lot of social media, a lot of ways of communicating to young people. you work with young people in the administration. you're a young guy itself. i have marching shoes older than you. so was he talking to a market that a lot of the old republicans just don't understand? >> look, i think that may be overstating the case somewhat, but it is true, he is pointedly reaching out to this market exactly as you say. he mentioned the three million people in these, that will are staying on their parents' plans. and there is this common wisdom amongst analysts that you need the youth element to make sure it's keeping costs down for everyone. i do want to point out the

reason high we can't overstate the importance of that demographic is because they cannot charge more or less based on preexisting conditions. but they can under the aca charge more or less based on age. so while young people coming in will lower the cost to everyone to an extent, they'll also bringing in less money. even though there is only 25% of the new signups that are youth according to the latest numbers that we have, it's not as make or break as many say. and second of all, as you point sought correctly, that outreach is working. 33 million people watched that between two interference video. i think it is making a dent. and whatever the numbers are, it will be interesting to see after this new speech with youth specifically. as we've seen with romney carca before it, as we see in terms of the long-term particulars of this contract, the truth might not be told until the next election cycle when the young people are the voters that this party is depending on. >> you know, goldie, when you

look at the 2008 and 2012 elections where the president ran an unorthodox election and went a different route, now he is really rallying around a lot of his legislative goals differently. you begin to sense that there has been a shift in america that some people just don't get that's in congress. they just don't understand. it's a new way of communicating, a new way of getting your message out. >> well, this administration, reverend al, was right to use every platform available to it, whether it was between two interference or twitter or facebook, or getting nba players to get out front for this administration on this health care policy. and so they were right to use every, every opportunity available to them, because they needed to really hit a target market. a target market that was healthier and younger and is less apt to invest themselves in health insurance. so this was the right thing to do. but this system isn't just dependent upon the young. it's also dependent on healthy 35 and 40-year-olds who are also

enrolling for the very first time that will also keep the risk paolo. let me just tell you, there is no death spiral. if for instance this pool is not except exceptionally low, my premiums will only rise about 2.4%. that's important. that's important to know that we've got enough in the system today to make sure that premiums are stabilized for years to come. >> all right, ronan farrow and goldie taylor, thank you both for your time tonight. and be sure to watch ronan on "ronan farrow daily" weekdays at 1:00 p.m. eastern daily right here on msnbc. >> thank you, reverend al. still ahead, the timing couldn't be worse for paul ryan. on the day when the health care law is a huge success story, guess what he is trying to get rid of? plus, dick cheney caught on tape having the gall to criticize president obama on foreign policy, and joking about bombing iran? stay with us. ♪

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on the day when we hear that millions of americans have signed up, paul ryan says they should all be kicked off. nice going. but besides that, i have to admit, my expectations were high for this budget. after all, over the past few months, congressman ryan has become the anti-poverty crusader for the gop. >> concern for the poor, it is not some policy niche. this goes to the very, very heart of the american experiment itself. we want to make sure that our poverty fighting programs are meant to get at the root cause of poverty, to break the cycle of poverty, get people out of poverty. >> this is why i am focused on poverty these days. >> hear that? he is focused on poverty these days. and his focus on poverty means a budget. that makes a budget that is -- makes a special effort. but what does he do? he makes an effort to gut medicaid, that ruins medicare as

we know it, and then destroys the current food stamp program. but he is not done will. he also wants to cut pell grants for low income college students, cut pensions for federal workers. even get rid of money for public broadcasting. yes, taking a page from mitt romney, he wants to kill big bird. because, you see, we just don't have any money. and that's on top of getting rid of the health care law. >> we can't just keep spending money we don't have. that's the basic acknowledgment when you're budgeting, just like families and businesses do, that you cannot continue to kick the can down the road, that you cannot continue to spend money we just don't have. >> see? it's just basic budgeting. we can't keep spending money we don't have. even for hungry children. but don't worry, the so-called -- managed to find some spare change in his couch

cushions for the military. just a cool $483 billion. oh, and he also managed to squeeze out some tax breaks for corporations and the rich. how is that for a focus on poverty? all while gutting programs like obamacare. that's poor work from someone who says he cares about poverty. joining me now is congressman chaka fattah, democrat from pennsylvania, and the daily beast's michelle cottle. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> good to be with you. >> congressman fatah, congressman ryan's budget hinges on repealing a law that just marked its most significant achievement. i mean, what is the logic behind that? >> well, look, you know, 7.1 million signed up. we got another three million people on their parents' plan. the president has done more to uplift families than in terms of

health care than you can imagine. the ryan budget not only adds $483 billion to the defense, but it cuts 791 from programs to help low income and working class families. so it is a budget that is challenged on a philosophical basis, a moral basis. the math doesn't add up. not only doesn't he repeal obamacare, he keeps all of the savings from obamacare to fund his defense spending. so you can't do both. if repeal it, you can't have the savings that it generates. and as the cbo has generated, the obamacare or the affordable care act craves savings for our government because it lowers the rising costs of health care. so this is a great day for our country on health care. for the congress, it's a little offkeynote from the house majority with this budget. this budget is not going to become the law of the land. we know that. paul rhinos it. it's a political document aimed at winning over more wealthy

supporters and contributors to finance republican campaigns. it's not going to be the law. >> michelle, what do you think about the repeal of obamacare talking point that ryan and the republicans are now putting down. doesn't it ring hollow after 7.1 million now have signed up, and expectations have been beaten? >> well, they're still betting that this is going to be a powerful, you know, campaign issue. they looked to that special house race in florida, and they think that going forward in the mid terms, they will be able to pummel democrats on this. and democrats are still very nervous about it. so what people are waiting to see is if there is enough time for the kind of initial unfortunate roll-out glitches to kind of correct themselves and people to get more comfortable with the law come november. but the republicans are betting that the answer to that is no. and they're going to try and sweep. >> now, you know, congressman

fattah, ryan's budget comes just weeks after he made these comments about so-called inner city culture. take a listen. >> we have got this tailspin of culture in our inner cities in particular of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work. and so there is a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with. >> does his budget deal with that culture? you represent the inner city, congressman. what are you going to do about all those men that just don't want to work for generations? >> well, reverend, you know and i know, you name a job fair or job openings, you'll see lines around the block. in these places where there is no culture for people wanting to work. the problem is not people not wanting to work, is we have to create jobs. and the republicans have worked against the jobs bill, against the effort to return our economy. i just want to say something about the expectation that the republicans have about how this

is going to work for them electorally. they thought a referendum on obamacare was going to win the presidency for romney and paul ryan. they were wrong. they thought it was going to win in virginia. they were wrong. they pointed a special election in florida, which was a republican seat held by chairman bill young, a great guy who died. and they say well, because we didn't win a republican seat, somehow we're off kilter. we're ready and getting set for a battle in november. people should not count the democrats out. we're running for affordable health care, and we're running for more jobs. and we believe that the culture of america is that we should value work. that's why we want to raise the minimum wage. >> michelle, you know the ryan budget also turns medicare into a voucher-like program for future seniors. but 69% support the program as it is. so isn't the move just bad politics? and won't the democrats capitalize on this by running

against the ryan budget and what he is saying to seniors? >> it's happened before, and it will happen again. i mean, everybody talks about how much they hate big government in the abstract. but when you get down to big programs like medicare and social security, they do not want these tinkered with. this is what makes people the angriest. and one of the reasons that paul ryan has a hard time making his numbers come out is because if you're going to not discuss revenue and you're not going cut the military, you don't have a lot of wiggle room left other than cutting programs like medicaid and things that people rely on. >> congressman, the budget seems to embrace a notion that we've heard before from the right, a lot frankly lately, that somehow the poor are undeserving and undeserving of help, undeserving

of the country. take a listen to this. >> supplemental nutritional assistance program. the buy beer program with a government credit card. >> studies show that people that are on welfare are higher users of drugs than people not on welfare. >> and from the amount of obesity in this country by people we're told do not have enough to eat. >> why don't we just pay for your clothes? pay for your shoes? pay for your housing? >> i mean, i've got to go, congressman. but what makes the rich so deserving of these tax cuts and the poor not deserving of any help? they've served the country. >> when we pray this evening, we should pray for our republican colleagues that they would have more spirit to help their fellow man. and we should be thankful to give in a country where inch can now have affordable health care. congressman chaka fattah, michelle cottle, thank you both for your time this evening. >> thank you. coming up, dick cheney

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first month without american fatalities in iraq or afghanistan in 11 years. this is something to celebrate. and that's why it's so striking to hear former vice president dick cheney is still speaking out on foreign policy. he was the keynote speaker over the weekend at the gop retreat hosted by billionaire sheldon adelson in las vegas. the address was behind closed doors. but mother jones obtained audio of the speech where he, quote, derided president obama on foreign policy, especially in the middle east. >> the bottom line is that the united states' position in that part of the world is worse than it's been at any time in my lifetime. >> worse than at any point in his lifetime? did he forget he sold us an iraq war on false pretenses?

did mr. cheney forget the diplomatic mess he and the bush administration put us in? on a day when we're reminded just how deadly war is, former vice president cheney isn't just a historical footnote. he is still the gop ringleader. joining me now is david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones. thank you for being here, david. >> good to be with you, reverend. >> dick cheney bashing president obama's foreign policy behind closed doors. i mean, how is he still relevant on this topic inside of this gop event? >> well, you know, the stunning thing to me about this they we got at mother jones, and i cowrote the story with my colleague andy crow is not so much that he was bashing obama yet again and saying that this guy doesn't take seriously the responsibility to protect america, which is exactly the charge he leveled, but also that when talking about iran and talking about the idea of

bombing iran, the whole crowd kind of laugh and applauded as if they were cheering it on. so within this small slice of the universe of people who want to see more violence and more war in the middle east, well, dick cheney, he's their guy. >> well, you know, on the day that we get this news that no american, i want to repeat no american gedeaths in afghanista or iraq in 11 years, he told the story of having dinner with the israeli general. the general was involved in strikes against iraq's and syria's nuclear programs. and here was cheney's punch line to the story. listen to this. >> he looked across the table over dinner and he said two down, one to go. i knew exactly what he meant. [ applause ] >> he looked across the table

over dinner and he said two down, one to go. i knew exactly what he'd meant. david, laughing and cheering and talking about bombing iran. this is what the republicans stand for? >> even if you believed that it was basic security of the united states to attack iran, would you laugh about it? would you cheer? would you applaud? i mean, there is something kind of bloodthirsty, warmongering about the way he tells that story and about the way the audience takes it in. and at the same time, he is out there saying there is nothing wrong with the nsa. obama isn't really serious about protecting the country. he blasts the isolationists in his party. we're talking he is becoming a fringe of a fringe. but because he is a vice president and doesn't have the graciousness to give his succeeding team the space to do what they want, he still gets out there and he is whipping them up for war.

>> we also find that he is wrong about torture as well. >> oh, yes. >> the "washington post" revealed details from senate intelligence committees' reports saying the cia, quote, misled over its interrogation program. i thought this was key -- a key quote. officials said millions of records make clear that the cia's ability to obtain the most valuable intelligence against al qaeda, including tips that led to the killing of osama bin laden in 2011 had little if anything to do with enhanced interrogation techniques. the argument has always been that enhanced interrogation helped get bin laden. and it was a strong case. but now how can they still defend this with this report? >> reverend, this may be one of the most important reports ever produced by congress in the history of our country.

it's 6,000 pages long. we're still going to fight what can be released of it. the committee, the senate intelligence committee and the white house both say they want to see portion of it. maybe only the executive summary, which is 400 pages relacied so the rest of us can read it. but it really should put to rest this debate we've been having over the past decade about how far you go in prosecuting the war on terrorism, because not only is the stuff wrong and horrendous, there are stories in this report about torture. but it doesn't work. and we've had fbi agents and others tell us over the years that they don't believe this is the best way to conduct interrogations. so it is really important that this report come out and that you and i and the rest of our fellow americans can read it for ourselves. >> david corn, thank you so much for your time tonight. >> thank you, reverend. still ahead, what's today's news on health care? what it means for the president and the american people. plus, there is a new

investigation into the new mexico police department after a deadly shooting was caught on tape. stay with us. 

a federal investigation is now under way in the case of a police shooting caught on tape in albuquerque, new mexico. two weeks ago, albuquerque

police shot and killed 38-year-old james boyd, a homeless and mentally disturbed man camping in the foothills. the whole incident was caught on tape, on police helmet cameras. i want to warn you, the video you're to be see is disturbing. >> in the private world, if you were down at a war or a bus stop, have i the right to kill you right now. don't get stupid with eme. >> i'm not going to get stupid. >> you said we were walking out of here and now you're bringing up assault and everybody is going to get hurt again? all right. don't change up your agreement. if you were, i can keep you safe, all right? don't worry safety. i'm not a [ bleep ] murder. all right? -- try to harm you. all right? >> do it.

>> get on the ground, get on the ground now! get on the ground, get on the ground. get down! >> hey, buddy? >> move it up. >> get up. >> he has a knife in his hands. >> still has knives in his hands. >> stepping up behind you. is he moving? >> please don't hurt me. >> his hands, he is still armed. >> please don't hurt me anymore. i can't move. but watch what happened next. again, the video is disturbing. >> put your hands out to your side and drop the knife. hands out to your side. beanbag, beanbag. drop the knife. drop the knife. drop the knife! still got the knife in his hands? negative effect?

>> i can get it on him. >> yeah, i don't want that knife in his hand. >> the video that follows is too graphic to show you. a police dog was set loose on boyd's motionless body. then they handcuffed boyd as he lay facedown bleeding. he was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead the next day. now, the fbi and justice department investigating. the albuquerque police department was already under investigation for deadly force. there have been 37 police shootings in the last four years. 23 of them deadly. the police chief says the shooting of james boyd was justified because he threatened officers with knives. if there was evidence he was threatening the police, that's one thing. but it sure is hard to see.

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