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man to play for all three teams, big papi. love this guy. even a white sox fan can appreciate that. let's get a good picture. come on. >> do you mind if i do my own? >> he wants to do a selfie. it's the big papi selfie. come on. >> yes, sir. >> that was cute. good morning, everybody. it is wednesday, april 2nd. did you see big papi get the selfie? >> unbelievable. you saw big selfie up close in person. >> with us we have john meacham. i'm just thought you were over there. i'm a little tired today. i'm going to be very nice. i'm sorry. >> we're off to a rough start if that's the goal. >> it's just that heilemann and

i had a little issue. but we're fixed. >> i think you were just rude to john. >> i don't have an issue with anybody. >> i was just minding my own business. >> i know. >> but sometimes i can cause problems. >> it's good if you can get a little smacked around. >> you know i like it. >> geez. >> and also, from "way to early," robert thomas. >> mika, you went to the white house? >> i was going to talk about 7.1 million americans. >> you went to the white house yesterday and you saw the red sox with the president. >> it was the greatest day. >> and you brought your daughter and her boyfriend and what a great day. >> so graham got to meet big papi. and there's amelia. look at them.

seriously. presidential material and then me photo bombing them. we had the most wonderful time. then, ladies and gentlemen, the next president of the united states, elizabeth warren was there and kelly ayotte was there. >> kelly obviously a huge red sox fan. >> the red sox brought everybody together. >> there's the next president of the united states right there. >> oh, no doubt about it. >> papi for president. >> so it was exciting, huh? >> two deserving kids, too. >> so big news out of the white house. they're very happy not only celebrating the red sox but also celebrating this -- >> you're not going to -- >> it seemed like the thing to say. >> what i tweeted yesterday and

i'll say today -- can i just say this, please? >> sure you can. >> everybody has been trying to bring this law down. i don't know a law that has been more picked away at, chipped away at, hacked at and smeared than the a.c.a. just stop. just stop. >> like a bridge over troubled waters the democrats stood shoulder to shoulder and bravely defended obamacare. >> focus. don't you think republicans should let it go? they're like little jack russells holding on to a frisbee. >> maybe some of us believe it's not good for america. >> but it's the law. maybe the big picture is when everything comes out of the wash, you don't know if it's going to be good for america.

>> do you know if it will be? >> i think it will be. >> i don't think it will be but let read the news. >> 7.1 million american signed up for obamacare -- >> can i hear that barking given. >> that's my dog. >> they celebrated by popping champagne in the parking lot and the president confidently praised the success in the rose guard i don't know with a smiling joe biden. >> change is hard. fixing what's broken is hard. overcoming skepticism and fear of something new is hard. a lot of times folks would prefer the devil they know to the devil they don't. but this law is doing what it's supposed to do. it working. all of which makes the lengths to which critics have gone to scare people or undermine the law or try to repeal the law

without offering any plausible alternative so hard to understand. i got to admit, i don't get it. why are folks working so hard for people not to have health insurance? why are they so mad about the idea of folks having health insurance? many of the tall tales that have been told about this law have been debunked. there are still no death panels. armageddon has not arrived. instead this law is helping millions of americans. and in the coming years it will help millions more. >> john meacham, what do you see in this president who off courthouse -- obviously has had a very tough year? >> he seemed to actually be

enjoying the job, having some fun there, armageddon has not arrived, no death panels. a certain passion there, a little disingenuous. >> he understands why people are against it. >> and the repealers and all that. i thought that was a good political moment. and he genuinely seemed to be in the moment and enjoying being where he was and fighting for what he believes in. we have not seen that obama as much as i thought most of us thought we would see. >> jeremy peters on the hill, what are democrats saying, what did they say today? this is a group of legislators who felt abandon by the white house and hung out to dry by the obamacare, even while the a.c.a. was being debated on the floor. we have complaints on the set, of course off air, about how

little guidance the white house had been giving. who were they feeling yesterday? >> there was a press conference yesterday at the capital after the president's press conference and the only democrats who showed up were from new york, connecticut, rhode island and those are not exactly swing states or red states. so it kind of gives you an idea. no mary landrieu, big surprise there, no mark begich. but i will say what i think makes this so difficult to make sense of politically is because the facts don't really apply in the debate over obamacare. if you look at the 7.1 million figure, i think if obama had announced yesterday they signed up 14 million people on monday, republicans still would be saying the same thing. now, of course democrats don't want to run on this and that makes it difficult, but there was an interesting poll that came out a couple of days ago

from "the washington post" that has given republicans some reason for alarm because what that poll showed was support for the law across the board is actually rising and it's up to almost half of americans now. >> it is. john, we were talking about this yesterday that a lot of those numbers of supporters democrats coming home, of course what's going to make this debate separate from, let's say, national polls is the fact that the senate in 2014 is going to be fought on republican grounds. they have the high ground and the red states. you're not going to see senators, democrats from alaska, louisiana, arkansas, north carolina, georgia or montana getting out there supporting obamacare, are you? >> you're not going to see them supporting it -- not they're certainly not going to be running ads on it, though mark bayitch did come out and tout

the 7 million enrollee number. mary landrieu was going after bobby jindal on medicaid yesterday, which isn't exactly piling in but is making health care part of the debate in louisiana in a way she might not have certainly back in october or november. so things are changing a little bit and democrats are moving a little bit that direction. >> so explain, if you will, the decision the white house and democrats have to make because you brought up medicaid. we all sit around the table and say what can the white house do to begin up turnout the way they do in presidential years. well, you talk about medicaid. if you make it about medicaid, doesn't that help you with -- with the type of voters that help propel democrats in '08 and '12? >> absolutely. this is a thing, you hear it in washington increasing on the

democratic side, this notion of the reality of different elections. it still sinking in for people that they really are different in these different kinds of cycles and for krafs getting a tough -- >> and, by the way, just sew we separate the states out, not to get too fine here, but it makes sense for mary landrieu in louisiana. mark begich in alaska. >> medicaid. >> there are a lot of more working class voters, the kind of voters who came out for barack obama in big numbers two years earlier. democrats got to get those people to the polls. whether it's economic populism argument, there has to be season

that gets those people out and about. >>s that what we're dealing with now is the law. it's certainly had a self-inflicted slight. and also the vehement attacks and which i think are so impressive. >> 7.1. however, it remains to see how this will continue to be embraced across the country. "stop waiting for the obamacare to implode," he writes the likelihood would be higher, roughly as many people. >> converting the program in for tax credits would be viable. now they have less and less

choice. >>ets not search about repeal, it is about replace or enhance what the law is but there are no real options on the sable for people. >> you can't beat something with nothing. and the republicans 20 years ago, 1994 were guided by bill kristol argued that opposing then first lady clinton's health care bill was enough, absolute opposition. he didn't have to propose an alternative. i think that is a much tougher sell 20 years on. >> partly the democrats are thanking, base 12 but i do want to ask the by whose al bres here. >> that's like a saturday night

activity in the meacham household. hirj i just what do you think republican should do now? >> exactly what they're starting to do. whether you talk to haley barbour -- bill crystal. we talked about what bill kristol reported in 1974. bill kristol doesn't say that 20 years later. the thought leaders of the republican party, the people who are now starting to push back against some of the neill i there are people like myself, mika, who think this health care

system doesn't work and think's the president's plan doesn't work. and there are people like myself that understand in this country we play more money per patient than any other country on the planet and and i think one of the reasons why is because in the system. why again, success is not rewarded, failure is not punished. so republicans have to somehow put together a plan -- bobby jindal's doing that. but more importantly, with.

>> we're going to win the mid-term elections. great, congratulations. >> and then we're going to lose the white house for, in so the republican leaders are really rewith something that will actually make a difference in people's lives. >> paul ryan will formally draft the new budget today. >> no. it was just a transition to what you were saying, which was so trillion. >> you can go back to edmund burkee in you like. >> the ultimate goal is

balancing the budget by 2014. to do that, his plan calls for the insurance. a vote could come at the house by friday. now to you. >> i was going to say -- to go back to the question about repeal. there are two other reasons why the republicans need a tern. the overwhelming maernlt of the country is not in favor of

repeal. thech basically said by and large -- not by problems, we think the afford l wabl i have a ves will is gfr -- for republicans, those two political realities compel them to come up with some kind of a real solution, a real alternative to obamacare because they have no choice to do that. >> as i said about presidential elections foryea years, if you t

someone to repeal, you tell them what's going to replace it. they know in their gut our health care system is broken and we're going broke because of it. so if republicans have an alternative to start with that the entire party can get around, those poll numbers may change. >> you are make a great point. it's a valuable point that mika made earlier was the fact that the supreme court vetted this and this was also vetted by the people of america who reelected president obama who ran on the a.c.a. but on your point on paul ryan and his new budget coming out today, he went on to say that he has the understanding that it can't be the republican party of opposition, they have to be the party proposition. so they got to come up with those ideas. >> the leadership does on capitol hill. >> i think proposition, not on session. >> jeremy. >> i was going to say, joe, you touched on certainly earlier i'd

like to get at a little bit more, which is the months they will have who decide yes or no whether to vote on the bill. a number of senators are voting on that. you don't really need to be donny deutsche to make that ad saying so and so voted to gut medicare as we know it. >> thank god we don't have to be donny deutch. >> the ads write themselves in a lot of cases. if you're a republican running for senate, this will put you in jep did with swing votersing. they will realize they have to add an alternative and can't

just tell the people no. >> we've been saying for a long time the democrats are not going to be running on the affordable care act. it sounds like you're saying a lot of republicans aren't going to be running on the ryan budget? is there more mere on the democratic side over health care or on the side that paul ryan put forward. >> oh, i think to be tied to any policy of the president's right now is a real albatross. we've talked a lot on the show about the way they've gone over the cokes and whether that's a foolhardy position. they are trying to pain colors. what they are so successful of doing, making him a cold

capitalist over the last time i checked, char row was -- >> in fact, even when they do, it will make as much sense as republicans attacking george soros. at least that's how i feel. >> the poll was interesting that came out last week. half of americans don't know who they are but half do know who they are. that's pretty strikele. it's more than i expected expected. >> people forget the democrats in 2010 ran against opposite side money. that's what they did in september and october of that year and it wasn't about the kochs. as much as we dekraai the money,

et cetera,eth, it very rarely cuts with voters who are much more focused on the needs in their lives and not on processed questi question. >> that happened two years after barack obama spent more money and got more outside money than any other political candidate in the history of this republic. and these attacks against the koch brothers two years later come two years after barack obama raised more money and got more money from political outsiders than any candidate in the most persons think it irrelevant. they think it's appropriate for the first poll bls -- i've never seen a politician do that. this is so new.

>> well, i'm explaining to you, mika, why this just doesn't work and why that the are pasting their time. >> he had a grape -- wait a minute. weren't we talking about the affordable care act? how did it get to this? you're good. >> jeremy peters brought it up. >> i know. >> coming up on "morning joe," paul reichoff is going to be here. and i'm temming you, paul is doing good's bourque approximately we also have ron fornier. michael blues is and later biz stone coming up next bead bill

karins inan update on the earthquake in chile. >> this huge earthquake just off the coast of chile last night. we were very scared about what kind of tsunami was formed from this earthquake. thankfully it was about a six-foot wave that came onshore. we haven't heard a lot of reports of damage. there were about five from the earthquake itself, some from heart attacks and some from falling debris. the people are still going to wake up this morning and have a lot of destruction to deal with. this was at 7:46 east coast time. it was an 8.2 magnitude quake. on the scale that's very high. we only get about one quake a year of this rare magnitude. it could have been a lot worse. we've also had after shocks, a lot of those in the 5.2 to 6.2

magnitud magnitudes. and it's a rainy, ice from 70. from pittsburgh all the way to absolute. 7 damaging winds and hale. >> it would be a typical, late afternoon, into the early evening. the area of red is of greatest concern. it's actually the same areas as today. in you're in the little rock area of memphis to st. louis, tomorrow is a threat and tomorrow an even stronger possibility of threat. we'll have more throughout the morning with any updates on "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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>> let's go "morning papers." >> after the deadly mudslide in washington state, workers are using high-tech equipment as they continue to search for the missing. going inch by inch through the mud and debris, recovery crews say they still have a long road ahead. more remains were found yesterday bringing the death toll to 28 people. there are 20 people still listed as missing. >> and for the wall street journal, charles keating, jr. passed away monday night. he's known for his role in the most expensive savings and loan failures in the 1980s. lincoln savings and loan collapsed causing taxpayers $3.4 billion. he became synonymous with a group of federal regulators who intervened on his behalf. >> a new study shows the benefits of braek screening are often overstated and risks down

played. the study showed a 15% reduction for women in their 40s and 32 reduction for women in their 60s. but they found that false positives resulted in anxiety and unnecessary surgery. >> there's a different study every week that says mammograms don't work, screening doesn't work? >> i've had two scarce. >> you've got to. >> unless there is a better option put out there, these numbers don't do anything for me. are you going to not get screenings because you might get anxious or you might have to have another screening? >> i sat there for three weeks with something that they thought they saw and found out they didn't.

i'd take that before avoiding it. >> mammograms aren't fool prove but they are a good way for women -- is it babd in to think young women have to start having mammograms at a certain age? >> absolutely. when i was growing up, i think it's part of mainstream and now it what you a do. >> you turn 40. >> if i go, my girls are like i'm going to get that. >> it's like of course you are. it's not like, what are you doing? i can't imagine telling people not to get mono grams because -- >> jeremy, were you jumping in? >> no. i'm afraid do i not have anything to offer on mammograms. i think that's probably a good one there.

mike al i don't know is here with the morning playbook. mike, washington dc.'s embattled mayor sin sent gray. tell us what happened. >> reporter: there are two lessons from this democratic primary. one is that there are still surprises in politics and, two, voters do pay attention. only a little while ago vincent grate looked strong. he was doing very well in polls, in money. his slogan, "one city" had been appealing. but a lot of new detailings came out about federal prosecutors about what had gone on in his last race. i people saert and d.c. said enough, brings back memories of marion bearsy.

>> won by a huge marge, 12 -- she'll probably win the general in november but there is a strong independent ka it and yoo. so any case dc this allen brought back memories. let me just say, there is only within mayor. >> oh, come on, stop. >> she brings back memories of the woman who presided her, she came up with the slogan "a shovel, not a broom."

i think -- i forget which is bigger, a shovel or a broom. >> it's definitely not take a hit out of your crack pipe. this is last night after she won. >> we believe that corruption at city hall is unacceptable. we believe that our mayor must break new ground and kmond the authority to lead. >> politico's michaelen. thank you so much! >> good night. >> coming up, desean jackson has a new home but he's not going too mine was earned in korea in 1953. afghanistan, in 2009. orbiting the moon in 1971.

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the back log will be completely eliminated by 2015. we should stay on that. >> no doubt about it. so critical. the founder and executive director of iraq and afghanistan veterans of america, paul rieckhoff. >> paul. >> we've admired you for so long for so many reasons but i must have i for calling us out very early on in the nfl playoffs to say the seattle seahawks were the very best team. you said they were going to win easy like a month out. who is going to win the ncaa basketball team? >> i think wisconsin has gone below the radar. they're a dynamic team, really athletic. i think when it comes down to it, you want toughness when it comes down to the wire. >> no doubt about it. paul, last week i was on twitter as i do at least once every three months and i saw a really moving picture of a wife planting a flag in the ground for her family member who had

committed suicide, her husband who committed suicide. talk about storming the hill and talk about what you guys have accomplished on this terrible challenge of reducing the number of suicides vets are committing. >> we go down to washington and we bring vets from all over america to share our top priorities. last year it was the back log. we put the backlog on the map and you all responded. this year our vets told us suicide was the top issue. we went all over capitol hill to let everybody know that 22 suicides -- >> it's a staggering number. >> you already told me over 2,000 already this year. and yet you are getting some progress on the hill with a bill. >> we're not just raising this issue. we've got a plan to take it on. two prongs of that, one is an

executive order, make this issue a national priority. if we were losing 22 people a day in combat, everybody would rally behind it, right? >> that's right. >> what do you want the executive order to do? >> first of all, he's got to prioritize it. he can issue a national call to action and issue a national director of veteran suicide to integrate the services because too many people get lost in the cracks. the president taking this issue on would be a powerful statement as a public health challenge. when it comes to congress, we need comprehensive legislation. as of yesterday we've got a bill number, 2182. senator walsh, the new iraq vet in the senate from montana stood with us on the mall to introduce this bill and now we're asking everyone to stand behind it. we want this to be like the g.i. bill where republicans and democrats all got along and passed comprehensive legislation to make this happen.

>> we need to stand together. at 22 suicide as day -- you made an incredible point. if these were 22 losses a day in combat, we'd be doing something about that. but these people's brains are still in combat. they are still in combat, aren't they? >> it's a challenge coming home for sure. we saw in "the washington post" what compound what we saw in our members, almost half of iraq vets know someone who died by suicide. getting good quality help is hard. we've got to make it easier. >> what's your experience in terms of veterans overcoming the age old stigma of talking about ptsd, talking about the despair that would lead to suicide and

how much it have is people who want help but simply can't get it because of the bureaucratic struggle. >> we've been taking the stigma head on and they've mad progress helping people understand that you've got to deal with a brain injury or post traumatic stress disorder like you would with a physical injury. but access is a huge problem. it's too hard to get high-quality care, it's really irregular across the country. it's got to be bigger than the government, it's got to be community health clinics, the faith-based community. >> what's the price tag on that bill? >> it's being scored but i don't think there's any price too high to take care of $22 a day. investing in mental health care and in transitional support is just that. it's an investment in the future of these folks. if you have don't pay now, you're going to pay a lot more later. >> there you go.

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in the end history is not kind to those who would deny americans their basic economic security. nobody remembers well those who stand in the way of america's progress or our people. and that's what the affordable care act represents. as messy as it's been sometimes, as contentious as it's been sometimes, it is progress. i want to make sure everybody understands, in the months, years ahead, i guarantee you there will be additional challenges to implementing this law. there will be days when the web site stumbles. i guarantee it. so, press, i want you to anticipate there will be some moment when the web site's down and i know it will be on all your front pages. it going to happen.

it won't be news. >> welcome back to "morning joe" in washington and chief political correspondent chuck todd and ron fornier back on the show. good to see you back, ron. what? >> ron's column yesterday. it was a very clever column. >> i'll have to check it out. >> you have to check it out. chuck todd, when i first read it i thought, okay, he's being really sarcastic and lashing out on all the critics from the left. ron gets them from the left, he gets them from the right and you sit down and actually read it and you realize it spells out something. yesterday we were talking about the abc news/"washington post" poll and asking the question whether it was an outlier, a trend. the quinnipiac comes out, has good news for republicans, good

news for democrats and answers at least for one day that question and now we can ask the same question, whether the quinnipiac poll is an outlier or a trend or whether we may meet somewhere in the middle. of course the only way we will ever know for sure the answer to this question is when chuck todd tells us what the nbc news/wall street journal poll says. when i give you the results of this quinnipiac poll, which i'm sure you know about, it is so different from the abc news/"washington post" poll that a lot of people are going to be wondering when are you going to go in the field again? do you have any plans to ask? >> we're just -- no to be honest. [ laughter ] >> we were just in and this is actually a weird time to poll. and i say that because you have a lot of spring breaks, you have a lot of weird times that people

are traveling. so a different sampling that there is. we got the easter holiday coming up. we're not polling until after easter. i'm just telling you the truth. >> all right, chuck, we need you to poll tomorrow. >> there's some new polling out this morning on president obama and his signature health care law. according to quinnipiac, 42% approve of the way the president is handling his job, 50% disapprove. when it comes to the mid terms, 40% say they would vote for a democrat for congress this year, while 38% back republicans and on obamacare, american voters oppose the affordable care act 55-41. that is markedly different from a "washington post"/abc poll that shows 49% support obamacare and 48% oppose it. >> chuck, as we put up the obamacare poll from quinnipiac, this isn't surprising to you i'm sure. we're going to have these numbers all over the place in the coming weeks.

but it's certainly the day after the abc news poll suggested a big shift. this one's a bit more in lien with expectations, isn't it? >> it is. you know what was interesting is talking to white house aides yesterday and in many ways they were in a celebratory mode, however, they weren't flaunting the poll. they were careful to say you know what, in all honesty, the numbers haven't moved. the numbers haven't moved, we don't think the numbers will move. i had one soenior political aid who has been with the president for nearly decade say we think the numbers on health care won't move until the president leaves office. >> they were discounting the abc poll yesterday? >> privately because they've seen everything. look, publicly, hey, look at that! you know, why wouldn't they?

>> but at the same time, they see their own polls. i don't think they've seen numbers that good for health care, put it that way, themselves. >> "the washington post"/abc need to talk about their polls. >> talk about these polls, conflicting narratives that are coming out. what number are we supposed to pay attention to? is it the actual number that the white house says have signed up? >> you have to give the white house credit. it's a big first step they hit there number. we all have to realize that it is only the first step. the long game here is how do they handle a year from now when people are paying a lot more for health care, how do they hand al year from now when there's a lot less choice and how do they make it so that this is no longer a partisan bill and get some

republicans on board, get some buy-ins so this isn't just a blue state piece of legislation. to make it durable, to make it accessible, to make it something that really is lasting, he's going to have to find a way before he leaves office to get some republican support and, as they've been saying as part of their mid term strategy, to actually fix it. not just give lip service to fix it but work with a republican or two or three or four or five to inject some fixes into. this bill is not going away but how do you make it so it actually is acceptable to a broader swath of the country? >> that is politics 101 and that's pragmatism, where you actually get the other side to somehow invest in your bill. it remind me of my contact in the cia who three months before barack obama's first election said he was going to vote for barack obama. i knew how conservative he was. i said are you out of your mind?

you're voting for barack obama? he's against everything you stand for. >> you he said you know what's more to me, i want this war against the terrorist that we fight every day to be america's war and not just a republican war. he said after barack obama gets his first briefing, guess what, i know it starts being a republican war. what ron just said, and this is so brilliant and it's going to be hard -- >> ron's laughing of course. >> i'm not used to being called brilliant. >> democrats, people around the white house, people around the president are going to say it's impossible to do it, but this president has to figure out how to make this health care bill or a form of this health care bill america's health care bill, get republicans to buy in on it or else it will not survive in the long run. >> so i'll make the argument that i think that will happen. and i think somebody here at the

table mentioned that this will happen after his presidency. and i think in a way that would make sense. how do you poll, john meacham, health care? how do you poll something that's being rolled out -- terrible roll-out of course, but something that gets millions of americans health care? how do you poll whether costs are coming down? of course companies get to compete. apparently premiums are finally going in a positive direction for the first time in 50 years but we don't know. is there a pos at that history will look at this in an extremely positive light beyond this presidency and uf can't really poll every glitch. >> i don't know what the odds that. >> what's going to matter, too, is and one of the reasons health care costs in the united states

continue to go up is it's an irrational product. who doesn't want every service. so how this unfolds when people are sick is going to have a huge emotional impact and that will create political implications. people's experience, whether they have a good one covered under the plan, under the act and it worked out, then things gr going to a the people in the white house has been so personally associated with obama. it is obama care. the republicans call it that. we don't think about medicare as johnson care. >> right. >> it was a great legislate of achievement. but then it became medicare. when president obama is gone from office, it will be the affordable care act. it is the kind of thing that's going to take a while for the

benefits to be worked in but also for the kinks to be worked out. >> ron disgreases. >> ron, you had said before when the premiums kick in, if it costs more, if you don't have as much -- as many health care choices, that's when the verdict on this bill is going to be made. does it work? does it not work? americans are pragmatic. does it make their life better? does it make their life worse? in your situation today and my situation today, does it help your family with health care? does it hurt your family with health care? >> yeah, i agree with john meacham, that we can't predict the future. but i disagree a bit with john heilemann respectfully. >> that's a very good dichotomy. >> go ahead, bring it on! >> if you go back in realtime, this was l.b.j.'s legislation in realtime. history made it part of the great society. we have the same thing going on

now. yes, this is obamacare. but obama and the white house can't punt this until after he leaves office. he's president for another two and a half years. it may be a golden after the -- maybe there will be an opportunity for this president to make this a somewhat bipartisan piece of legislation. he's the one who passed it through congress on an all- -- all of his party. he needs to fix it. >> ron, you said we'chuck, isn'a greater distance when people reflect what it means to upgrade our social contract on what the

a.c.a. ultimately means? >> it will be interesting for me to watch the next three, four months. i go to the point i made yesterday. we're not going to have headlines every day. the enrollment every day, after couple of days, there was something about enrollment going wrong, maybe a state exchange wasn't working the right way. >> how are just spl and what does that mean? does it lower the hostility toward the law? you know, without the daily drum beat, i think that's going to have both a political impact but also give breathing room poe it will of a mistake being blown out of proportion and causing a

political problem for the party. i think that's going to be fascinating to watch, what doesn't get covered anymore. >> don't you think after the horrible rainout, that this milestone, 70.1, a lot of people didn't think they'd get it. it something given everything. >> it's one piece of the puzzle. i don't think it's going to change 30-second ads, i don't think it litz going. >> as far as the politics go r

for. >> i don't think there's the time in the next six months to dramatically change the narrative of this election. i think you're for or against obamacare. go but if you're trying to reach people to provide them with health care insurance, this is going well. they've gotten to a milestone. if you're thinking plit can i, absolutely not. >> we'll see what happens with the 7 penalty 1 million number. congratulations to the white house for eaching that number. you know news starts are going to be coming out in a month from now, you a. >> it's worth going back to where we were in act and november. no one, very few people believed -- >> there was little chance we would get the 7.1 million by the end of march. about?

we laughed! >> now they are the. >> from a political point, things could be a lot worse. >> that's a good point. let's say it was 5 million. they would have been eviscerated. >> a good tennis analogy from a guy who can't even hit the ball over the net. >> historically, the political marketplace discounts fast. so seesh, medicare quickly became a part of the fabric of the country in boston those cases benefited from it. but we had just as many pell ti

tibd. >> at the end of the day that's going to be the test. will future presidents go after obama care, the way reagan was afraid to go after medicare finally in 19830 and the way, as i said before, ike said that anybody that went after social security in 1952 would be a damn fool. >> there's two ways i can think of to shield yourself. get as many people signed up and into a health insurance marketplace that they support and like because then it's hard to take that away from them, if not impossible. >> and, two, like i said, to make it like johnson did and roosevelt was able to do to make it more than just a partisan bill, to be able to get some republicans on board. it hard in this children but it not impossible. >> doubts about it. ran, thank you so much. >> chuck, who are we going to be talking to coming up in. >> one of your favorites, claire mccass kill is doing the big gm

hearings today. my favorite tweet yesterday was someone said, "hey, that new ceo smell wears away quickly, doesn't it? ? ? >> gm was beaten up hard. >> i would not want to in front of claire mcgas goes stadium. >> coming up, captain spar schwarzenegger answers some questions pnd we have best selling author michael lewis coming up on the show. but first we want to talk to bill karins. bill, is it really going to get into the 60s today? >> yes, spring is arriving finally. but we're also dealing with some

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and they say i don't want to be ripped off on the stock market market, i ban -- there's always something deeper going on than what the topic is. you've done three big wall street books. what are these books actually about? what is it that compels you? you're not a financial journalist -- >> thank you, thank you. that's absolutely true. >> why is wall street such a specific topic for you given that you're not really a financial journalist. >> it a really good question. each story presented themselves to me differently. to some, tent the back drop is the same but this story would garage my attention was that you

had the world presents them with this radical truth and they have to respond to it. there are guys in the market who figure out it's rigged. what do they do? they're faced with a moral choice. instead i'll alienate all wall street and start a war. why do people live their lives that way? that's really what interested me in the cast of characters. the whole world didn't seem to understand the subprime mortgage market was a house of cards. >> how is it that nobody saw it? >> very few people did. i didn't see it. i read the nupg now, what i

found so fascinating about this story is the people who had a moral choice then go and create a moral choice. they say to banks who are brokers who direct stock orders, you now have a choice. all these other exchanges are run by high frequency traders and you get the same experience. but here's a different one. what are you going to do now that you have a choice? >> market solution. >> what do you hear some sort of in your airport polling? do people come up to you and think of you as a pop here yow, who is uncovering this? >> a lot of the emogs i think they think the main character in this book is an american hero, even though he's a canadian. >> that's the best kind. >> he's a canadian american hero.

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shelter? we may need a fall-out shelter. >> it's scary. >> just get under the desk. >> remember that tv show in the 80s where they had the nuclear blast, all you had to do was hide behind the dashboard. what was that called? "the day after." >> more liberal saber rattling against ronald reagan. >> so you're at your first 100 days in office? >> yes, ma'am. this is day 100 for me. >> is this the most dangerous of those days being here on the set of "morning joe," which you said you watch all the time but you say it's chaos here. >> i look at this tabletop here, which you can't see on tv but it looks like chaos. >> a lot of people concerned about the president talking about a nuclear blast in manhattan, that he's more concerned about that than

russia. talk about that threat, talk about the threats on that scale. is that something you have to worry about every day? >> i noticed in your lead-in you talked about 9/11. i'm a new yorker. i was practicing law in manhattan on 9/11, literally right across the street from this building at 6th and 51st. i think the mission of the department of homeland security is to be vigilant in assessing a number of different types of risk to our homeland. nuclear detection is part of our mission. we have a directorate devoted to it, we give grants to the city of new york and other cities for nuclear detection abilities. >> is there a great risk of a possible nuclear blast in manhattan as the president said? >> we've got to be vigilant in countering a number of different risks.

aviation security. the boston marathon-type bombing, the lone wolf, the increasingly diffuse terrorist threat from al qaeda affiliates. >> so you're saying it's one of many risks. >> it's one of many risks that we at homeland security are vigilant about. >> and chuck schumer is even concerned about the security at the freedom tower, down at ground zero. what can you tell us about that? >> i've actually been to the top of freedom ptower my first day n office, i was on the roof of freedom tower. this is something i talked to senator schumer about. i talked to senator schumer on a number of different issues and it's something we're looking at. >> do you still, mr. secretary, think of the situations like we know after 9/11, the practices

of bringing people in from hollywood, think of the crazy scenarios that could happen to our country or and the globe. are you still actively seeking out resources like that? there are so many conspiracy theories that have been talked about because of the missing malaysian airlines flight. is that something that you guys still actively work on? >> well, let me answer the question this way. in homeland security we address a number of threats. one of the things that i'm particularly interested in is countering violent extremism here domestically. and so we have community outreach programs here in the united states. i think this is a priority and i actually plan to personally participate in one or two of these programs in the next month or two. but we're -- people ask me what's the thing you worry most about or what's your number one priority? we've got to be vigilant in a

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i'm very heartened by the dedication of our men and women in the department of homeland security, the patriotism, the hard work that they put in, which doesn't get enough emphasis in my opinion. in washington we're very good at identifying the problems. we don't do enough, in my opinion, and this is one of my priorities, we don't do enough to highlight the many successes at the border, tsa, the coast guard, some acts of heroism by the coast guard and maritime security, for example. and so i'd like to -- i'd like to highlight those and i am pleased, very pleased about the quality of work that goes into homeland security. there is no more important mission in my view for the american people than homeland security. >> some are obsessed by the negative and forget to focus on a lot of the positive that's

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"gq" nerd of the year. >> oh, that's hot. >> i would like you to meet the nerd of the last millennium, jon meacham. >> i appreciate that. thank you. >> so in your book, "things a little bird told me: confessions of a creative mind," this is from "wall street journal," but you write about this in the book, timing, perseverance, and ten years of really hard work will eventually make you look like an overnight success. talk about that time and how tough the road was getting to where everybody goes, "oh, he's got it so easy." >> yeah, it's like i did this in a week. oh, you guys, you guys and your overnight successes. and all of this. >> yeah. >> it's a lot of screwed-up stuff. a lot of fail oar. a lot of trying over and over again. a lot of racking up ridiculous amounts of credit card debt and depending on my future self. i would always tell people -- people would, say, what are you doing, you're painting your rent with a credit card? but my future self would take

care of it. >> you were investing in yourself. >> i guess i was, yeah. that's the kind of thing that this book is about. it's about looking back at the decisions i made at the time and trying to figure out, you know, why did i do that? why did that seem like good idea? what was the lesson? and it turns out i made good decisions. i just didn't realize at the moment exactly how to phrase them up. >> you look back, the dots all connect. and you also look back, and oh, my god, there are so many fights, so many coming and going with twitter. you said relationships were destroyed. it was a trying time. during those turbulent days, i remember sitting on a board meeting, thinking, why is what happening? and then the answer dawned on me, because billions of dollars are involved. these things happen when you start talking about billions of dollars. >> it took me long time to realize that. for years, i kept thinking

ourselves of this ragtime group of friends working on something they loved. and one day i was sitting there, saying, why are these adults behaving like this? and it dawned on me. and i was, like, oh, this is whole big deal here. >> this is your future self. >> yeah, straight here. >> your future self can buy 400-foot yachts. obvious question, but did you have any sense -- at what point did you have a sense that twitter was going to change the culture in the way it has? >> i had a few little moments, but the biggest moment was march 2007 in austin, texas, south by southwest interactive, and as much as it's a conference, it's parties at night. and it's a bay area geeks getting together to talk about what they're working on next. there's this one guy at a bar. he wanted to move to a different bar, because it was too loud. so we sent out a tweet. he said this place is too loud, let's go to this other place,

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good morning, it's 8:00 on the east coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast as you take a live look at new york city. back with us on set, we have jon meacham, john heilemann, thomas roberts, and from washington, jeremy peters. >> you saw the red sox. with the president. and you brought your daughter and her boyfriend. and what a great day. >> so graham got to meet big papi and amelia. >> look at him. >> presidential material. and me photo-momming him. we had the most wonderful time. and, ladies and gentlemen, the next president of the united states, elizabeth warren was there. and kelly ayot was there. >> kelly obviously a huge red sox fan. >> brought everybody together. >> there's the next president of the united states right there. >> oh, no doubt about it. >> you mean graham -- >> papi for president.

>> larry made sure we met all of -- >> what a great guy. it was a day -- >> so exciting, huh? two deserving kids, too. they're very, very well behaved. >> big news out of the white house. >> yes. >> and they're very happy, not only celebrating the red sox, but also celebrating this village that is -- >> you're not going to do that. really? >> it seemed like the thing to say. >> what i tweeted yesterday and what i'll say today, i was just tweeting, can i just say this please? everybody has been trying to bring this law down. i don't know a law that has been more picked away at, chipped away at, hacked at, smeared than aca. and the supreme court -- i mean, it's the law. and they just can't -- even today, there is critics that are saying these numbers don't make -- just stop. just stop. >> well, thank goodness, through all of the troubled times, like

bridge over troubled waters, the democrats stood shoulder to shoulder and bravely defended obamacare every step of the way. >> focus. don't you think republicans should let it go? they're like little jack russ l russells holding onto a frisbee. >> maybe some of us believe it's not good for america. >> you know what? it's the law. and maybe the big picture is when, like, everything comes out of the wash, i actually think you don't know if it's going to be good for america, do you? do people know? >> do you know if it's -- >> i actually think it will be. >> i actually doesn't think it will be. but let's read the news, mika. >> 7.1 million americans signed up for health care. >> can we do the bark again? >> -- signed up for obamacare through an obamacare exchange. >> the plan's chief technology officer sell operacelebrated by popping champagne in the parking

lot, and the president appeared with a smiling joe biden. >> change is hard. fixing what's broken is hard. overcoming skepticism and fear of something new is hard. a lot of times folks would prefer the devil they know to the devil they don't. but this law is doing what it's supposed to do. it's working. all of which makes the lengths to which critics have gone to scare people or undermine the law or try to repeal the law without offering any plausible alternatives is so hard to understand. i've got to admit, i don't get it. why are folks working so hard for people not to have health insurance? why are they so mad about the idea of folks having health insurance? many of the tall tales that have been told about this law have been debunked. there are still no death panels. [ laughter ]

armageddon has not arrived. instead, this law is helping millions of americans. and in the coming years, it will help millions more. >> jon meacham, what do you see in this president who obviously has had a very tough year since being sworn in. what did you see yesterday in the president? >> he was -- seemed to be actually enjoying the job. >> that is breaking news, by the way. >> having some fun there. and armageddon has not arrived. no death panels. there was a certain passion there, a certain wit about it. little disingenuous. he does understand why people are against it. >> he understands why people like me are against it. >> and the repealers and all that. but i thought it was a good political moment. and he was genuinely seemed to be in the moment and enjoying being where he was and fighting for what he believes in.

we have not seen that obama as much as i think most of us thought we would see. >> jeremy peters on the hill, what are democrats saying? what did they say yesterday? what do they say today? this is a group of legislators who felt abandoned largely by the white house, and certainly have felt hung out to dry on obamacare, even while the aca was being debated on the house floor. we hear complaints here on the set, of course off air, about how little guidance the white house has been giving. how were they feeling yesterday? >> well, just to give you an example, i think, of how far democrats would like to distance themselves from this law, there was a press conference at the capitol after the president's press conference. and the only democrats who showed up were from new york, connecticut, rhode island, and those are not exactly swing states or red states. so it kind of gives you an idea, no mary landrieu, no surprise

there, no mark begich. but i think what makes this so difficult to make sense of politically is the facts don't really apply in the debate over obamacare. and if you look at the 7.1 million figure, i think if obama had announced yesterday that they had signed up 14 million people on monday, republicans still would be saying the same thing. now, of course, democrats don't want to run on this, and that makes it difficult. but there was an interesting poll that came out a couple of days ago from the "washington post" that has given republicans some reason for alarm, because what that poll showed is that support for the law across the board is actually rising, and it's up to almost half of americans by now. >> it is, john heilemann, we were talking about this yesterday, that a lot of those numbers of supporters -- democrats coming home -- of course what's going to make this debate separate from, let's say, national polls, is the fact that

the senate in 2014 is going to be fought on republican grounds. they have the high ground in the red states. you're not going to see senators -- democrats from alaska, louisiana, arkansas, north carolina, georgia, or even states like montana -- getting out there and supporting obamacare? >> you won't see them supporting it -- >> not 30-second ads. >> they certainly won't be running ads on it, mr. mark begich did come out and tout the number, the 7 million enrollee number. mary landrieu, who jeremy just mentioned, going after bobby jindal on medicaid, which isn't exactly piling in and going rah, rah, rah for the aca. so things are changing a little bit. and democrats are moving a little bit that direction. >> but it makes sense for mary landrieu in louisiana, let's say, more than mark begich in

alaska, more sense in georgia than montana when you're talking about, again, medicaid -- >> where there are more of the voters -- a lot of minority voters, a lot of well-off voters, working-class voter vot the kind of voters that came out for obamacare. whether it's economic populism, medicaid, there has to be something to get them excited and get them out. >> that's what we're dealing with now is some of the costs of the law, and fighting over the law. it's certainly had a self-inflicted price to it, especially in terms of the rollout, and definitely in terms of the challenges facing the midterms, and the vehement attacks by the opposition, and some of them unwarranted, which i think, thomas, is why this number is so impressive. >> 7.1 million. however, it remains to be seen exactly how this will continue to be embraced by the rest of the country. but we have them writing for

"the bloomberg review," stop waiting for the aca to implode. one that promised to cover roughly as many people as obamacare does, or even more. letting people on medicaid buy into the market by converting much of the program into tax credits, for example, would be more viable than just kicking its new beneficiaries off the rolesment opponents of obamacare should always have been thinking along these lines. now, they have less and less choice. john, that really is the option here. it's not so much about repeal. it is about replace or enhance what the law is, but there are no real options on the table for people. i know paul ryan's budget will come out talking about medicaid options. >> and repeal, i believe. >> yeah, you can't beat something with nothing. and the republicans 20 years ago, 1994, guided by bill kristol, argued that opposing then first lady clinton's health care bill was enough -- an

absolute opposition, you didn't have to propose an alternative. i think that is a much tougher sell later on, partly because of the base changing. i do want to ask the one guy who's run for office here, all right, let's play edmund burke meets dwight eisenhower. >> i just fell asleep. >> yeah. you know what i mean. all right. >> role playing. >> dwight eisenhower taught modern politics that you deal with reality as you find it. philosophically from burke. what do you think republicans should do now? >> exactly what they're starting to do. whether you talk to haley barbour or charts krauthammer, or bill kristol. you talk about what he said in 1994, even though there were

alternatives in 1994, bill kristol doesn't say that 20 years later. the thought leaders of the republican party, the people who are now starting to push back against some of the anilism are saying repeal is not enough. you have to repeal and you have to replace. and there are people like myself, mika, that think this health care system doesn't work, and thinks the president's plan doesn't work. and there are people like myself that understand that in this country we pay more money per patient than any other country on the planet. and i think one of the reasons why is because you have no market forces, no direct market forces in the system. i don't think obamacare takes care of that. and it's just, like, public education. we spend more money per student than any country on the planet. and again, success is not rewarded, failure is not punished.

so republicans have to somehow put together a plan -- bobby jindal is doing that. but more importantly, we haven't seen this over the past couple of year, but more importantly, when haley barbour goes in a room with republican legislators, haley barbour will say, as would charles krauthammer, as would business kristol, hey, guys, you know what? just being against something ain't enough anymore. yes, we're going to win the midterm elections. we'll win them. great. congratulations. pat yourself on the back. and then we'll lose the white house for the next eight years if we don't stand for something on health care, if we don't stand for something on education reform. so the republican leaders are really reasserting themselves, especially after this past fall. and they're starting to be much more aggressive, saying, we've got to actually put something out there. repeal but replace with something that will actually make a difference in people's

lives. >> house budget chair paul ryan will formally draft his own budget -- well, no, it's a transition from what you were saying, which was so interesting. both parties -- [ laughter ] -- hold it up as a measure -- >> we can go back to edmund burke, if you like. >> please do that. their competing priorities. no, it was. >> -- plan would shave $5 trillion spending with the ultimate goal of balances the budget by 2014. it would fully repeal obamacare and change medicare into a premium-support program where older americans receive subsidies to buy private insurance. >> okay. >> domestic funding is reduced, military spending would rise by $500 billion over a 10-year period. a vote could come in the house by friday. some members of the gop are hesitant to roll out a budget plan this year at all with democrats poised to seize the issue in the midterms, but he fought to get something out there. now to you, john heilemann.

>> yeah, i was going to say there's lots of things to say here. but to go back to the question about repeal, there are two other really good reasons why republicans need to have an alternative plan. one is that the fact is it's always been the case, as unpopular at various times obamacare has been, the overwhelming majority of the country is not in favor of repeal. that's been true in the polling all throughout. they basically said by and large, not by small margins, we think the -- we think the affordable care act has problems, and we want to see them get fixed. the other thing is obamacare won't be repealed. it's not going to be repealed. we'll have very narrow majorities in the house and senate for the foreseeable future, and we have a president who will never sign a repeal law in the white house. so for the foreseeable future, at least, as mika started this whole segment by saying, obamacare is the law of the land. it is the law of the land, and most people in the country think it's flawed, but we should fix it. and so for republicans,

there's -- the political reality, those two political realities -- kind of compelled them to come up with some kind of a real solution, a real alternative to obamacare, because they really have no choice but to do that. >> because as i've said about presidential elections for years, you can't beat something with nothing. and if you want people to support, thomas, the repeal of one piece of legislation, you tell them what's going to replace it. because they know in their gut whether they're republicans or democrats or independents. our health care system is broken, and we're going broke because of it. so if republicans have an alternative to start with, the entire party can get around, then those poll numbers may change. but if not, they're never going to. >> you make a great point. it needs attention, the health care system in our country. the supreme court vetted this, and this was also vetted by the people of america, who re-elected president obama, who ran on the aca. joe, to your point about paul ryan and the budget comes out

today. he went on to say in light of his new budget coming out that he has -- he has the understanding that it can't be the republican party of opposition. they have to be the party of proposition. >> right. >> and so, they've got to come up with those ideas, exactly what you're talking about, that's not just party of no stuff. >> the leadership stuff on capitol hill. >> proposition not opposition. >> jeremy? >> go ahead. >> no, i was going to say, joe, you touched on something interesting earlier that i'd like to get at a little bit more, which is the republicans in the house who are going to be in jeopardy because they will have to decide yes or nowhere to vote on this bill. a number of the members of house are running for senate this year. you have one in colorado, one in louisiana, one in montana. and you don't really need to be donny deutsch to make that ad, to say so-and-so voted to get medicare as we know it. >> thank god we don't have to be donny deutsch, but go ahead. >> no, the ads write themselves

in a lot of cases. if you are one of the republicans running for senate, voting for this ryan budget will put you in jeopardy with swing voters, with elderly voters, and that's why there is a lot of consternation of arriving at what exactly the republican plan would be. they all realize they need to offer an alternative, so they're not the party of no. they've had a difficult time settling on that, and there are still a lot of them not quite happy about this plan. >> jeremy, let me ask you real quick, if you thought that -- we've been saying for a long time, the republicans, democrats won't be running on the affordable care act, it sounds like what you're saying, also, that a lot of republicans won't be running on the ryan budget. where is there more fear and consternation? on the democrat side or the republican side? >> oh, i think definitely on the democratic side over health care. just because the president is so unpopular, and i think that to be tied to any policy of his right now is a real albatross. coming up on "morning joe," d.c. voters weighed in on whether scandal-plagued mayor

vincent gray deserved another term. we'll check in with mike allen for today's political playbook. plus, wall street may be doing fine, but recent college graduates are still having a hard time finding their way into the workplace. katherine schwarzenegger joins us with her post-grad experience. >> two people in that last night? >> what? >> i thought there was only one person. >> oh, no. >> how many schwarzeneggers do you know? >> arnold. >> no, actually, you guys get ready. you won't even think of arnold when you meet katherine. >> she looks different, same exact voice. >> no. >> all right. but first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> you guy disdisagree and debate just about anything. good morning, everyone. we'll talk about a tornado threat over the next two days. i want to walk you through what happened last night with the earthquake and the threat of the tsunami that throughout the night, where everyone was so worried about. this was not your average earthquake. this is one we get maybe once a

year. it was 8.2 magnitude off the coast of chile. it was very close. only a depth of 12 miles, so we're very fearful this would create a large tsunami. but every earthquake is different, and this one did not displace a lot of water and send any large waves. that said, within the next hour, the first waves are going to reach hawaii, and there's a tsunami advisory for all the hawaiian islands. there are concerns for swimmers and boaters. they're telling people to stay out of the water until noon local time on the island of maui, they only expect a one-foot wave, that won't cause problem, but they're concerned of strange currents and swimmers getting caught. they'll keep people out of the water to be safe. other things this morning, if you're in san diego, you have rain. that's a big deal for you. that storm in california moves across the country with severe weather today and tomorrow. isolated tornadoes today, the areas in yellow. big cities included, little rock, memphis, to st. louis, kansas city, oklahoma city, down to just about to dallas. it's really thursday afternoon,

thursday night, i think our first chance of a tornado outbreak of the season already what we call a moderate risk has been issued. this is a big heads-up. if you're in the yellow, it means imean s isolated. in the red, more widespread changes, and even strong tornadoes. we'll be on top of that for you come thursday afternoon and thursday evening. and hopefully, we'll get lucky and not have any big hits. hopefully, all the tornadoes that form will be out over rural areas. you're watching "morning joe." you think you take off all your make-up before bed.

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there are 20 people still listed as missing. from the "wall street journal," notorious financier charles keating jr. passed away monday night. keating is known, of course, for his role in the most expensive savings and loan failures of the 1980s. his company, lincoln savings & loan, collapsed costing taxpayers $3.4 billion. keating became synonymous with the keating five who intervened on his behalf. he was 90 years old. going to "the philadelphia enquirer," the benefits of cancer screening are often overplayed. researchers from harvard say screenings are associated with 19% reduction in breath cancer deaths. that's a 15% reduction for women in their 40s and 32% reduction for women in their 60s. but the study found the number of false positives outweighs the number of cancer cases detected, resulting in additional x-rays, anxiety, and unnecessary

biopsies and surgeries. >> that's a tough one. >> it has to be so frustrating as a woman. there's a different study every week that says mammograms don't work. screening doesn't work. >> i've had two scares. >> what are you supposed to do? i mean, you've got to, right? >> unless there is a better option put out there, i don't really -- these numbers don't do anything for me. what, not get screenings because might get anxious? it's the only thing we've got. >> early is the key, right? >> i sat there with three weeks with something they thought they saw, and found out they didn't. i'd take that before avoiding it. >> mammograms aren't fool-proof, about they're a great way of detection. is it for a woman the medical mindset, how you're teaching your daughters, okay, baked in that you still mammograms at a

certain age? >> absolutely. when i was growing up, do you, when do you? but now, it's part of what you do. >> you turn 40 and you do it. >> they just know. if i go, my girls are, like, i'm going to get that. they're, like, of course, you are. it's not, like, what are you doing? i can't imagine, what, trying to tell people not to get mammograms and not get sonograms because you might get a false positive? let's go to politico, mike allen here with the morning playbook. so, mike, washington, d.c.'s embattled mayor vincent gray, he's been ousted in the city's primary. tell us what happened. >> well, mika, there are two lessons from this democratic primary in the d.c. mayoral race yesterday. one is that there are still surprises in politics. and, two, voters do pay attention. only a little while ago, vincent gray looked strong. he was doing very well in polls, in money. his slogan, "one city," had been

appealing. but about three weeks ago, a lot of new details came out from federal prosecutors about what had gone on in his last race. there'd been a slush fund, five people associated with the mayor's election back in 2010 have been charged with crimes. and voters in d.c. said, enough. so embarrassing, it brings back memories of marion barry. voters just didn't like it. so muriel bowser is a current city councilperson, won by a huge margin, 12 points, 10,000 votes. she's 41 years old. she'll probably win the general in november, but there is a strong independent candidate, david catania, so you can't be sure of that. the "washington post" says she's the probable mayor. in any case, d.c.'s definitely getting a new mayor. >> politico's mike allen, thank you. >> that was great, wasn't it? up next, cnbc's brian sullivan joins us for "business before the bell." you're watching "morning joe."

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what are you going to do after graduation? where will you be working? how much are they going to pay you? where will you be living? where are you going? before you go out and press that fast forward button, i'm hoping, i'm praying that you'll first have the courage to press the pause button. pausing today and throughout your entire life allows you to take a breath. it allows you to take a beat. it allows you to be in the moment. >> that was maria shriver, our maria shriver, giving the commencement speech at the university of southern california's annanberg school of communications in 2012. guess who was in the audience? >> me. >> look, it's her daughter. seriously? you guys could be -- you look like a shriver, daughter of maria shriver and arnold schwarzenegger, katherine schwarzenegger. great to have you on the show. she graduated that year and took

her mother's words to heart for her book. she took those words to heart because she had nowhere to go to an extent, like, oh, my god, i just graduated, now what? that's the title of her new book. honest advice for navigating what comes next. so john heilemann and i, we're thinking up our titles. i'm a washed-up news anchor, now what? >> i spent what feels like 17 hours on the set of the show, now what? >> thomas? >> mine is thirst of a thousand sailors. >> what? >> yeah. >> all right. that's confusing. >> it appeared in this magazine, seven fantastic ep ibs of clothing, now what? >> there you go. >> this is great. certainly there is an economic story here. college graduates, i think, are having a harder time than ever before finding jobs and paying off their student loans. >> yes. >> so there is pressures on all levels. but there's also the personal pressure. what are you supposed to be doing with yourself? how do you make a decision? how do you make this all happen?

all of a sudden, you're an adult. and you write in your book, as i said good-bye to my friends and teachers, i felt terrified about closing the chapter of the new world. there were no feels of great elation or relief among the many hugs and cheers. instead, there was a feeling of total panic and paralyzing fear of the unknown. i love the way this book -- it's a handbook. you can keep it in your purse. >> a little. >> what does the college graduate get out of this book? >> i mean, i think an overwhelming sense of relief is what i get from the book and what i hope people will get from the book, because i graduated, had no idea what i was going to do. >> but you're supposed to know. mari maria's your mother, arnold is your father. you're supposed to know, right, right, right? >> exactly. i had no idea what i wanted to do, and this book would have been helpful for me had i had it. you see all of the amazing interviews and the people who are hugely successful, and they

had times of struggling and no idea what they wanted to do next. that's a huge relief. >> i like it. i like it a lot. >> you know, you think about for -- much more for your generation than for our generations, especially if you're college bound, the pressure starts so -- like, when you're in preschool. preschool, elementary school, high school, prep. you get into college, you go through -- there's no time to breathe, right? >> yeah. >> and one of the things your mom talked about in her commencement address was the power of pausing. >> yes. >> right? so talk about how you took that advice to heart and how it plays out in this book. >> well, my mom was very clear when she decided to give the commencement address at my graduation, that she didn't want to cause a ton of anxiety in the audience, which i think happens a lot of times, because commencement speakers talk about everything they've accomplished and what you haven't accomplished, and it can be anxiety-causing. so she talked a lot about the power of the pause, which was amazing, and a huge relief to all of my fellow students mo were graduating. and just really taking a minute and realizing, okay, i've just

done this huge accomplishment in my life. i've graduated college, which is a huge deal. and, you know, you're rushing throughout your life forever. so the ability to take a minute for yourself and say, you know, good job, and really recognize what you've accomplished, i think, is important. >> it's interesting, as john points out, the pressure that's on your generation, as you're coming up, tremendous pressure, also, because you're coming from two highly functional people? >> yeah. >> you're their child. but there's also great privilege that comes along with that, and your last name opening doors and the family that you come from, that influence. how do you balance that with knowing that you have -- you've got an it factor about you, and also this pressure that you're talking about inside of you, but you also have an opportunity because of privilege in front of you? how do you balance those two things? >> i don't think i experience any additional pressure. i no he that a lot of people might look at me and say i've come from a very obvious accomplished family. my whole extended family very accomplished. and i think i felt the same amount of pressure as anyone

graduating college and entering the real world for the first time. you go through your life having everything planned out for you, and this is the first time you're in charge of that yourself. that was shocking to me. and the whole opening doors thing, i think obviously there are certain doors open for me that aren't open for others, but you have to work your ass off in order to stay in those -- >> that's correct. >> you have to prove yourself. you have to prove you're supposed to be where you are. >> you know what i like about what you did, because we're walking on the set, and i thought i felt a connection with the concept here, i said, so did you get a job? she said, this is my job. but that's what this economy is all about. you bring to the table what you got. >> yeah. >> like, at one point, an unemployed housewife, and that's what i brought to the table when "morning joe" started. that's what we were kind of looking forks someone snarky, had been around the block, fired, and brought this all to the table. >> getting your hustle on.

>> getting your hustle on! the books i've written have been about what really goes on and what's really not going on. and some of the problems, the vulnerabilities. so i like that you've shared and you've actually taken what you have to share and made it your job. >> yeah, everyone who's in the book, interviews with the amazing people i interviewed, they shared their real-life experiences of failing, not making it the way they thought they would and getting where they are today. >> and that's the thing. it was good you did that, because a lot of people will say accomplished parents, well, of course -- the people in the book, not all of them, have the same background as you. >> yeah. >> i do the same thing in mine, because it's important to get people from different perspectives to show that you cannot know anything about what -- what you'll do next, and you can be from nowhere, and you can still create your destiny. >> yeah. >> it's okay to have that time in your life. the people you've brought into it have that message, as well. >> it's important to know that it's okay to fail. it's okay to make mistakes. >> thank god. >> you can pick yourself up and move forward. >> your parents have to be tremendously proud.

i mean, they have to be tremendously proud. they've done a great job. >> thank you. >> so congratulations. >> the book is "i just graduated, now what?" katherine schwarzenegger, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. it's great to meet you. >> john heilemann was doing your father's accent earlier. >> we met him. two weeks ago. so nice. and so proud of his kids. and not talking about you. >> thank god. >> oh, my god, that's maria. look. you get along with your mother? >> yeah, my mom's my best friend. i get along -- everyone i go -- >> you have the smiles. >> the same mannerisms, the same hand talking, everything. it's great. >> interesting. >> okay. preview of the wall street is next with cnbc's brian sullivan. keep it here on "morning joe."

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which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. 13 public exchanges in this country. stock exchanges. they sell special access to a handful of traders to put their trading machines right next to the exchange, so they get advanced -- they see the price -- they see price changes before everybody else. it's milliseconds, but that's all that matters when you're dealing with computers. essentially the investing public is trading on old prices, and every order that goes in to the stock market, it -- someone who's got -- who knows where prices are going has the opportunity -- >> all right. that man has set wall street

ablaze this week. "business before the bell" with cnbc's brian sullivan. brian, we had the author there, michael lewis, talking about the high-frequency trades. the fbi, the s.e.c. announced they're now investigating those trades. how are people reacting? this was a big story after sunt sunday night on "60 minutes" and then filtered monday, tuesday, wednesday. i know it was hot on your air yesterday, too. >> yeah. big debate, actually, the 1:00 hour of cnbc between a couple of competing exchange ceos. it was one of the most heated debates we've had on in a long time. i thought one guy was going to start throwing down. you know, how's it reacting? if you're a deep wall street insider, this has been around for a while. there's a book a couple of years ago called "dark pools" but michael lewis is much more high profiled. it's reignited the debate, the s.e.c., the ftc, and fbi, looking into the practice, so all of the heavy-ritter acronyms are getting involved. how is it being looked at? to be honest, it's a hard complex. they're talking mill milliseconds.

the measures of time, it's almost like i feel like i'm carl sagan talking about the universe, because i don't understand them. they're so infinitesimal and so much money being moved around, but the bottom line, the american public has to have confidence in the stock market to build business. that's what the stock market is supposed to be, designed to be. anything that removes that confidence, thomas, i believe is a dangerous thing. >> cnbc's brian sullivan, thanks. are we going to see any throw-downs today on cnbc? >> you know what? actually, there's a guy on my show at 2:00 that wrote a paper on the value of milliseconds. >> yeah. >> i'm looking forward to interviewing the guy, because i don't understand it either. it's like "animal house" where they're talking about the universe being the size of somebody's fingernail. yeah, my brain is on fire already. >> i love the movie. anyway, we'll see you today at 2:00. up next, late-night laughs, "morning joe" your way next.

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♪ it's time to talk about what we learned today. john heilemann, what did you learn? >> boy, i learned that michael lewis' book is going to be just a never, big, massive, fat hit. can't wait to read it. it sounds awesome. >> great. thomas? >> the man that changed my life, co-founder of twitter, biz stone, and his real name christopher. >> micah? >> the real force behind the red sox is stacy. she was walking my kids around the white house, getting them to meet everybody, cutting through everything. she makes it happen. >> she's in charge. what have you learned, jon meacham? >> on a totally different note, 22 american veterans committing suicide every day, but important legislative social progress coming to address the problem. >> and, also, the v.a. backlog still way too big, but because

of paul and a lot of people who stormed the hill last year, because of a lot of hard work from veterans and their family members, it's been cut in half. they say by next year, it will be eliminated. >> progress. >> great news. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around, here's chuck todd with "the daily rundown." thank you for being with us, and as always, thank you for your patience. some developing news right now. actually. that tsunami advisory that you saw in the pacific rim, it's actually now in effect for the state of hawaii. after last night's 8.2-magnitude earthquake in chile. aftershocks are still expected, and right now all hawaiians are being warned to stay away from the water. at around 9:30 this morning is where things will get the most problematic for hawaii. also this morning, after tough testimony to the house, now it's the senate's turn to grill general motors' ceo mar