>> when republicans push back against a program he is outraged. >> what do you say to something like that in. >> i think at this point it is abundantly clear this isn't working. >> but the worst imaginable thing has happened, millions of americans are going to get healthcare. >> is this going to make them say oh boy i want to go vote democrat in the fall? i don't think so mega nl. >> a thing where we're well meaning but incompetent. >> and repeal obamacare. there is little chance your bill is going to become law. >> we're not going to give up on destroying the healthcare system for the american people. >> well meaning but incompetent. >> when are you going to run for president? >> say that again? >> good to have you with us tonight folks. thanks for watching. i'm still giddy. i have to admit it. have you noticed that we always like to put a label on people when they group together and they have a feeling about

something? like the 9/11 truthers or the birthers. groups that want to believe things. we now have the healthcare deniers. oh they are out and about. just sidewalk squawking about this number right here. 7.1 million as of march 31st. we're rolling. it's going to hit 8 million. oh yea. maybe 8.5. if they don't want to believe numbers let's just start throwing numbers out there. do you know what's interesting, is when the number was 106,000 signups after the first 30 days, they were all over that number. they were believing that one. so what is the criteria here? basically what we have developing in america is the healthcare deniers. they want to take votes and deny millions of americans healthcare. and now they want to deny the numbers. bill o reilly always says he's looking out for us. come on bill, get an investigative reporter on the staff and go after this number.

because do you know what, if that's a not the truth we got a held of a story on our hands. bottom line is we've got right-wingers across america, across the street just denying everything when it comes to healthcare. look no further than our good friends at fox news. the lies and denials started just moments after president oba obama's tuesday afternoon remarks. almost like they had a prepared script right away. jesse waters was quick to give his expert analysis on the enrollment numbers. >> i actually think they are straight up lying on the numbers. saying that 7 million people signed up on a website that was broken. the white house lied about so many things, why not about this. >> good logic there. why not lie about mushroom clouds? we're just 45 minutes away from

them. there is no basis to back that claim up whatsoever. president obama is not lying about enrollment numbers. it's an absurd game. here is the bottom line. the anger in denial, well it didn't stop there. a short time later charles kraut hammer draped this line. >> this is a phony number. and it's wonderfully precise. these guys go six months without any idea what the numbers are. and now all of awe a sudden it's to a decimal number. and it's meaningless because a we don't know how many have paid. so it'sen rolt number that's not enrollment. but the more important is how many were previously uninsured. >> where is the curiosity. where is the investigative reporting? you mean to tell me there is not

one investigative report in washington, d.c. that wants this story? i find that hard to believe. here is the chart. you guys were really on board at fox news. you were cheerleading here. now it's all phony numbers. the white house did keep track of enrollment. typically people procrastinate. they said that all along. don't you know teenagers anymore or 20-somethings. oh man it's the healthcare sign up. let's go right away. no no no. there's been millions of dollars of the advocation money thrown at a negative. hindsight is in a. same thing with romney care. krauthammer should have known bert. then the kids on his research list. then the kids on the curvy couch quick to jump on the denial wagon. >> how were those numbers?

7.1. that's very specific. that's a good number for the white house. the question is how many were actually paid. how many were duplicates. looking at a rand study that says just 23 percent who signed up by monday night and only a fraction of them had been paid. they say that 850,000 previously uninsured have paid by monday night. >> it's always about the money, isn't it? never about the people. 7.1 million people are now going to have healthcare. millions others are going to be on board. but that's not really part of the story. see don't believe these folks on the couch. said monday, americans are making their obamacare payments. >> what we know from insurance companies and again, stan, the

customers pay their companies. this is private insurance and the private market. for initial customers it's somewhere between 80, 85. some as high as 90 percent have paid so far. a lots of companies have different timetables for when their new customers have to send their first payment. you are not fully enrolled, you are absolutely right, until you pay your premium. >> woo, we got a lot to unpack here. hey charlie caugkrauthammer, if what really want to do investigative reporting, all you have to do is check with the insurance companies. to held with all the studies. i know you wanted her fired but she seems to be coming with the facts. so who's telling the truth? meanwhile failed vice presidential nominee paul ryan started his 2015 markup today. it's a dandy. wasting no time in the opening

statement, once again lying about obamacare. >> i know our friends on the other side might dispute this point. but remember it was obamacare that ended medicare as we know it. remember, it was obamacare that cut $700 billion from medicare. it was obama that set up a board of the 15 unelected democrats to ration care for seniors. and that's why this board will repeal obamacare in its entirety. >> and remember all that was ejected in the last election. this guy doesn't remember a thing from 2012. that's the same lie he was using from that argument. obamacare did not cut a dime from medicare. again, obamacare did not cut a dime from medicare. obamacare simply slows the growth of the medicare because more people are covered by obamacare, the affordable healthcare act. he's a pathological liar at this

point when it comes to obamac e obamacare. we should all know ryan's budget stem cell accounts for the 700 billion dollars in slowed growth. he likes to pick and choose the numbers. all of his claims are full of holes. not to mention ryan wants to take healthcare away from 7.1 million americans but he has nothing in his plan to help all these phony numbered americans out there. they need to find a new plan but they won't. taking healthcare of way from american is wrong and immoral. and it will never happen. they are now a political corner. can and they don't know how to get out of it. so they are depending on the fox news to try to convince their base that the white house is lying again. they lied about irs and benghazi. held they got to be lying about the healthcare numbers. that's all they have. pretty soon darrell isa is going to show up and he's going to demand another hearing because he wants to investigate with his

crowd of clowns, i want to know about that 7.1 million people who signed up for obamacare. i don't believe it. it's just the show folks. this is who they are. what we're seeing develop now is the healthcare deniers. they want to deny americans healthcare through a vote. and they want to deny the numbers. they cannot believe that they are on the wrong side of history. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question: are you happy paul ryan never became vice president? text a for yes, b for no to 6722. you can go to our blog always as msnbc.com. i'm not responsible for that text question tonight. but i thought it was a good one. it's fun when you win. you got to smile when you win. i am so happy that there are people with cancer across america that won't be denied. don't you think they could bring themselves to saying that?

for more, let me bring in minnesota congressman keith ellisson. your thoughts on paul ryan's budget that repeals obamacare and offers no replacement? >> well, i'm not surprised at all. all along the way they have had the opportunity to talk about what they would do to improve healthcare for americans. they have failed utterly in every single step. now that paul ryan unvails his budget, which by the way cuts about 3 million jobs by 2017, we're not surprised. i mean, at the end of the day i think americans are beginning to see that the republican program of cutting things that they need, of cutting jobs, of not prioritizing americans, just won't work for america. and so i'm hard on trying to get people to see that. and they are seeing it every day and all over this country.

>> you want to talk about a jaded opinion, we just played a clip of brit hume on fox news saying he's not sure if people are going to go to the polls and vote for the democrats because of the healthcare. i just want to point out tonight that the democrats and the liberal movement of this country di-didn't do this to get reelected. they didn't do social security because they wanted to get reelected. they didn't do medicare because they wanted to get reelected. >> right. >> they didn't do healthcare reform. they did it because there is a moral component that we have in this country to helping orr neighbor and to making sure insurance companies can't butcher someone financially. and the democrats can't be afraid to answer these critics just like that. this budget is a fraud. what do you make of paul ryan playing around with the savings of obamacare and say well we're really not going to have it? >> well it's just phony numbers and fraud and dishonest budgeting. and we're going to call it out

and we're going to hope that great journalists will ask him the tough question: how do you collect and take in the savings from the affordable care act and then repeal the affordable care act? but that's exactly what he's doing. and he needs to be called out on it. but like you said, ed, if you go back to the debates of the 1968, they did not want medicare. they cried socialize medicine. they didn't want social security in the 1930s. they have been against medicaid. so every step along the way they have stood in the way of progress. and now that you have 7.1 million people signed u up in my own state. we got nearly 170,000. and we were a low unensured state. i can tell you now i wouldn't want to be one of those governors who refuse medicaid expansion in the next round. because i think people will remember who hurt them and ho helped them. >> are these numbers verifiable.

>> of course. >> i know the answer to that. what do you feel about the people on capitol hill about the pushback numbers are phony? >> what else can they say? they are left with just flatout being what do you call them, healthcare deniedeniers? they're left with little more than that. and pretty soon the real life stories are going to be emerging and they are already. those stories need to be put out and emerge. because we know their rereal life stories of people not getting healthcare are being denied and revealed as families several times over. >> we got to bring you back to talk about the progressive budget. because if the american people saw what you have on the table, i think that is going to move folks. thanks. >> you got it. >> let's bring in bob shump.

7.1 million. does it mean anything? >> i think it means a lot. it's a great number. actually exceeds the cpo projection. and watching the fox news clips, i think they ought to change their name to fraud news. and someone as intelligent by the way as charles krauthammer has to know what he's saying is untrue. this is like unscrewed polls during the 2012 election that predicted a romping romney victory. he didn't win and this isn't going to change the reality. it's not just 7.1 million. and by 2017 and there is no way that the affordable care act will be repealed before that. you will have 30 million people benefitting from it. at that point it will be impoblg to relegal it. and there are republicans who are now writing that the republican party has to come to terms that the affordable care

act with stay. they are never going to be able to repeal that. >> how to do they not go home where egg on their face? >> they are going to go out and allout campaign against the affordable care act, obamacare as acall it owl the time. neva nevada's henley has warned it may go south on them doing that. look, president clinton is right. they ought to run on obamacare, not away from it. you can see the ad. this republican candidate voted to deny mammograms to women. to let insurance companies kick young adults off their parent's policies. to go through a whole list of those. and the mitch mcconnell, the republican majority leader, saying he is in favor of sending

360,000 people who now have insurance to the uninsured cold. that's a powerful argument. democrats just need the courage to make it. >> what is the democrat's next move when it comes to healthcare. and i'm not so much talking about the campaign trail as i am what could be the next step from here in the midst of these new deniers. >> you have to get out there and two things. credibly argue that number of people being cover is 7.1 million. most focus are going to believe that. i think you are beginning to see shifts in the polls in terms of the approval for the affordable care act. you got to make the case. thank you basibut this is a fehry tail like the argument before unemployment fell that somehow the bureau of labor statistics was lying. it wasn't. and the affordable care act is

lying. it's not just 7.1 million. it's also people covered by medicaid and other people. knockouts have democrats have to have the courage of their own convictions. there was one guy who really pushed to take impeachment on. bill clinton. he wand to say why are we doing this when we should be talking about schools and the economy. i worked with him on those ads. we finally did them in the last two weeks. and the democrats gained seats against all huskal precedence. if we started earlier i think we probably would have taken back the house. so democrats have to be democrats to america this work. >> thank you so much. remember to answer tonight's question shown at the bottom of your screen. and on facebook w always want to know what you think. coming up the fight for education heats up. the rapid response battle way weighs in on what's happening in

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representatives. >> let me hit you with some knowledge. >> on sundays, this became the largest non denominational christian church. >> louie goemer trying to redefine the separation of church and state. >> thomas jefferson came to church right here. the guy hwho coined the phrase church and state. >> do you know what that means? >> it was to be a one way wall. >> that doesn't make sense. >> but the church would certainly play a role in the state. jefferson had a little different idea of what separation of church and state meant. >> wrong sir, wrong. >> the number two trender, shot down. >> it is a 21st century kind of hunting. >> it's a bird, it's a plane. >> the town is split on whether or not to sell licenses to allow anyone to shoot down drones. >> they are coming to a sky near

you. >> a town to legalize drone hunting. >> that's what i think we look like, is a bunch of idiots. >> over womhelming vote. 73% no. >> and place your wager. >> i'm determined to do my part to lift wages and improve take home pay any wayky. if we're going to do right we need congress on board. it would lift millions of people out of poverty right away. you would think it's a no brainer. >> faces tough competition. >> if you do what the president wants to do you will actually harm job growth. >> we shouldn't be having a conversation about the minimum wage. we should be having a conversation about the maximum wage. >> joining us tonight kmong out of illinois.

congressman, always a pleasure to have you with us. i don't want to be the wasp in the punch bowl at the party here. but this is a dead issue. john boehner is not going to bring this to the floor for a vote. yet the president is out campaigning on $10.10. what is the end game here in 2014? >> well, first of all i think that it is not necessarily all over. you know, the bus tour that's been going around all over the country getting great local press on raise the wage is coming to washington tomorrow. they are going to have a press event. the president is out there stumping. and almost three quarters of the american people believe we should raise the minimum wage. at the very least, ed, the fact that the republicans end up saying no is very unpopular with the american people. and could be an election year. i know right now if john boehner were to call that bill it would pass. once again john baner is

standistand i -- boehner is standing in the way of millions of the americans getting a raise. and it would help the economy. this is a good thing. it is not beating a dead horse. >> well you know, beating a dead horse. i hope not. that is the terminology i was going to use. you took it right out of my mouth. the bottom line is boehner is stub earn born. we wanted background checks. never got any legislation. the guys in the house are determined to run the country their way. the president is campaigning. the democrats are talking about the $10.10. is this going to move people in november? this is the issue? >> i think it's certainly one of the issues. it certainly shows the contrast between the republicans who are about to release a very mean, mean budget that cuts the programs for the elderly and for children and gives millionaires another tax raise and the

american people that want something to be done to help them get back on their feet, this economy really rolling. and to give them a raise. so i think that this is a very worthwhile campaign to be promoting, being so popular. >> yeah. senate candidate gary peters was with the president at the noumpbs announcement. this is goings to be a hot campaign issue, where unemployment is high. are the democrats counting on poor people to get out and vote in record numbers in an off-year electi election? because let's face it, this minimum wage is talking about people who are living under the poverty line. >> actually if the minimum wage is raised, this could cause then up the line wages to be raised as well. those people who are making slightly above $7.25, they are going to see their minimum wage rise. and people making less than

$10.10 an hour, their wages are going to rise. look the minimum wage is about the rate it was adjusted for inflation in 1968. and that is really a bad thing for our economy. the president was in michigan. henry ford got it. he understood that if he wanted people to buy his cars he was going to have to pay them a wanl they could afford to do that. it's good for our economy and for business. >> how do you expect the republicans to work with your party on this? that really is it. you say if it were to come to the floor that it would turn. >> there are. -- i think we're going to get enough -- we would get enough republicans who would find it dangerous if the vote were actually called to vote no.

we're just simply not going to give up, ed. there is a lot of organizing going on. and the campaign to take back the house and to keep the senate is going to be very much a ground game. and there are a lot of motivational issues. for some it will be minimum wages, others voting rights and for the women it would be the fact they are after our pocketbooks as well as organizing freedom. we're going to be organizing all these conconstituencies. we know how to push the buttons that are going to get people motivated to vote. >> thanks for joining us. still ahead. the for profit education business. why schools are converting to drik r district run charters. and the risks of the pipeline. discussing keystone's environmental impact. but next i'm taking your

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welcome back to the ed show. love the questions from the viewers to this program. thank you so much. ask ed, one of my favorite segments. first question from rose tonight. what will it take for people to stand up and say enough is enough to corporations, banks and republicans? >> i assume you're equating that to the election. i would say community organizing. seriously. people like to do things in groups. people like to do things together. we go to sporting events together. we do things together, we shop together. we go to the park together. with e do things together as americans. we like to hang out. if we community organize and if we can motivate and move enough people to recognize what is happening in america, we can make the change. we have made the change. we now have numbers in front of us that change can happen. it's happened within the last 5

years. 7.1 million people have signed up for the affordable care act. and 15 million people have been affected by it. that should give us confidence that we can overcome the forces that are in the political arena that outbank us so to speak. our next question is from holly. she wants to know how do you get non-voting democrats to the poles? one thing. the other side are the republicans, they want to take away your healthcare, your pension. they are the take away party. and if that doesn't motivate people i don't know what will. stick around. [ male announcer ] legalzoom has helped start over 1 million businesses.

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a united nation's scientific panel report says global warming could spiral out of control. environmentalists claim the keystone pipeline will be a major contributor to global warning. technology industry executives wrote a letter to secretary of state kerry encouraging him to

block the project. native americans from south dakota are engaging. they are standing up to the pipeline by setting up prayer camps. they have concerns about the sovereign rights. >> putting a lot of hardship on our people. we are going to take a stand here and we are going to stand in the way of that construction. we are hoping he doesn't. and we are asking our leadership,ing congress, senators to to take a real good look at the environmental impact statement that was submitted to the department of the state. >> the united nations report includes responding to climate change involves making choices of risk. there is no doubt the pipeline is a risk when it comes to

leaks. president of water keeper alliance joins us tonight. this report by the united nations clears the beach of any doubt whatsoever. >> 12,000 peer review studies. this one is definitive. as we are are the principle cause, human beings, global warming and impacts are going to be cataclysmic. we are losing 2% of crop production around the globe. we are seeing water shortages, food supply shortages. we are seeing the glaciers melt on every continent of the globe. the arctic sea ice disappear.

antarctic and green land are losing huge amounts. we are seeing sea level rising. within three decades it will displace people in bangladesh and elsewhere around the world. and what they say is that our failure to address this issue is the gravest threat to both human rights and to civilization and to national security. >> bottom line. >> that's the bottom line. >> exxon campaign of deception, what is it? >> exxon corporation and more recently the koch brothers have put in more than $5 million over the past decade and a half to deceive the public about the impacts of global warming.

they are about insuring corporate profit taking without regulatory interference. as we talked about last night it is not about free markets, it is about socialism for the rich and capitalism, a very merciless savage capitalism for the poor. all of these think tanks are stocked with scientists. some of them are veterans of the tobacco era. you remember in 1998 when the seven ceos of seven tobacco companies came before congress and swore under oath that they did not believe that tobacco had any health impacts and that it was not addictive. and that is when the tobacco industry killing one out of every four of its customers,

they were able to avoid regulation through that deception through 60 years. exxon biggest profits in the history of the world and they have a lot higher stakes. they have given $500 million to buy politicians and to deceive the public about the impacts of global warming to fuel this mode and it worked. now exxon has stopped the campaign. they are secretly funding them but publicly saying we understand that global warming does exist but we don't care. we are going to barbecue the planet and burn all the oil on our book reserves which is three times the amount of oil that this report says will destroy civilization. >> amazing. we have to have you back to talk more about this. this is really on the front door of the president right now. quickly, does the keystone pipeline play right into this? >> i do not see after this

report, i do not see how the president can approve keystone. >> great to have you with us. be sure to watch tomorrow because we will have more on the tribe from south dakota and their efforts to stop the pipeline as we continue our divided heartland series. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts now. >> thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, the president slams congressman ryan's ruthless budget. in a blistering speech today president obama blasted the gop's new budget and its skewed vision of this country, one where the rich benefit at the expense of everyone else. >> here is the truth. they are not necessarily cold hearted. they just sincerely believe if we give more tax