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of killing three people before killing himself in a shooting rampage. it is the same military post where a gunman killed 13 people back in 2009. yesterday's dead were all active military and 16 others are being treated at local hospitals. some in critical condition. the soldier identified to nbc news as 34-year-old ivan lopez allegedly opened fire in one building and got in a car firing as he went. reports say he opened fire in another building where he reportedly took his own life. officials on the base say he was carrying just a .45 caliber smith and wesson semiautomatic handgun he recently purchased but wasn't registered on base. lopez served in iraq four months in 2011 and was being treated for his mental health. >> he was not diagnosed as of today for ptsd. he was undergoing a diagnosis process to determine if he had ptsd. that is a lengthy process to be

confirmed with ptsd. there are reports he self-reported a traumatic brain injury previously coming back from the iraq war. he was not wounded in war. he was not wounded in action to our records. no purple heart and not wounded in action in that regard. he was on medication, that is correct. he was undergoing psychiatric health and a variety of other psychological and psychiatric issues. >> word spread quickly of the shootings. one suspect was with the suspect's wife when the news broke. >> i saw the wife coming outside. she looked as if she had been crying so he went to console her because i knew her husband was a soldier. and i told her everything would be okay and she was like she hasn't heard from him since 3:00. so we stayed with her to make sure she was okay and next thing you know, we hear it on the news.

they announce his name and she just breaks down. >> joining us you now from ft. hood, texas, charles hadlock with the very latest. >> reporter: good morning, mika. authorities here at ft. hood, the military and the fbi are trying to piece together why this soldier opened fire yesterday killing three of his colleagues and wounding 16 others before taking his own life. authorities say they don't know a motive but they have ruled out terrorism, at least for the moment. they don't see any signs that point to terrorism. that is good news here at ft. hood you know four and a half years ago we did with hadal hassan killing 13 and wounded 32 others. he said he was denominated by a cleric. this soldier was 42 and lived in an apartment complex in killeen. they went to the apartment complex and say the family moved in three weeks ago. a wife and young daughter 3

years old. she say he was quiet and seemed to be friendly and waved to the neighbors as he came to and from the apartment building. they were devastated to learned he was involved in this shooting. he was treated for depression and anxiety and pending a possible diagnosis of post-traumatic stress syndrome. officials say the gunman opened fire in one building and traveled by car to another building and firing shots as he went and entered a second building, came out and was confronted by u.s. military police officer when that happened, he turned the weapon on himself. mika, joe? >> nbc charles hadlock on the scene there, thank you. >> let's go to jim miklaszewski. president obama last night spoke about the shootings at ft. hood. >> any shooting is troubling. obviously, this reopens the pain of what happened in ft. hood

five years ago. we know these families. we know their incredible service to our country and the sacrifices that they make. obviously, our thoughts and prayers are with the entire community and we are going to do everything we can to make sure that the community at ft. hood has what it needs to deal with the current situation. >> jim, what else are you hearing in the pentagon about yesterday's shootings? >> right now, the pentagon is all about, first of all, comforting those who lost their loved ones and those who were wounded. second of all taking a good hard second look at how this could have happened. at ft. hood after that shooting rampage that resulted in the deaths of 13 soldiers and more than 30 wounded and major nadal hasan is on death row.

they went through an operation how to control weapons on the base and imposed a new rule that any personal sidearm had to be registered with the base. this sidearm, allegedly purchased by the suspect, only days before the shooting, was not registered. and they are also, again, looking at post-traumatic stress syndrome. you know, how did this happen? and it's really -- he was under some psychological care for anxiety. he had some behavioral problems. they were trying to diagnosis whether, in fact, he had ptsd but what is confusing, he was in iraq 2011 for four months. he was a truckdriver and not a combat soldier. at that time, furl, the u.s. military was pulling out. so it stands to reason that he would be have been one of those driving trucks out of iraq into

kuwait and there's no indication that he saw any kind of combat. now, he did claim that he suffered traumatic brain injury, which fs not documented by military or health care officials themselves but it's quite obvious that this individual was having mental problems, joe. >> all right, jim. thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. it doesn't sound like he fits exactly the same situation that pa paul was talking about yesterday. >> we have to not only look at ptsd which issing from to the fore thanks to paul rycoff who were talking about the suicides 22 a day among veterans that there is a generation of soldiers out there who have either seen combat or seen enough to come home and need much more than they are getting. >> think about this. we said it yesterday. if 22 people a day were dying in

combat, soldiers and sailors, airmen and marines were dying in combat there would be a national uproar. we are proving the tragedy in ft. hood is drawing everybody's attention to what happened there and for good reason and we should. there will also be 22 of our troops that served proudly that will take their own lives. >> we won't hear about that. >> we won't hear about that either but we will see, unfortunately, a layering of these sort of tragedies in the coming years, whether publicly or whether it's silent tragedy unfolding inside the homes of these people. >> we already are. let's go now to nbc analyst and former fbi special agent in charge, don borelli. what do you think we are looking at here? >> this seems like a workplace violent type of situation where clearly some patterns of disturbing behavior.

lops was being treated for ptsd and depression and anxiety and he recently purchased a weapon. there are warning signs. it's important to know who knew about those warning signs, were they reported to people on the base to potentially could have taken some action earlier that might have prevented these deaths and injuries. >> don, when it comes to the response that we watched unfold yesterday, obviously, there were military police and there were also those local officials that responded. they have been through this before in '09 with has san. it was a weapon he purchased previously in the days prior. >> exactly. ft. hood is a city and a huge installation. it's impossible to search every, you know, vehicle -- well, they do search vehicles but, you know, it's a tough situation but, again, you want to take a

hard look at everything that transpired up until this incident. possibly, there might have been some spots along the way where there could have been some intervention. people who look at workplace violence contend it's not necessarily completely spontaneo spontaneous. there is a continuum of behavior of activities and at some point along that continuum, there is a potential to intervene and get help for the people that are involved and if that could have happened here, if there some of those opportunities, the investigation will want to look potentially at where that could have taken place so it can be prevented in the future. >> don borelli, thank you. we will revisit this story and update it throughout the show. i think the conversation also is how we change or what can be done to change the way soldiers are released and become

veterans, and that there must be more of a track for them, one that is less lonely and one that is less apt for them to have the demons take them over after what they have done serving our country. we have other big stories we want to get to this morning. joining us on set, political editor and correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein. former senior adviser for the 2008 mccain presidential campaign, nicole wallace. good to have you as well. the story we will be talking about here is about money. the money will be flowing in the midterm elections in a big way following another supreme court decision that alters campaign contribution in americans politics. in a split 5-4 decision, the justices struck down restrictions on how much any one person can donate to federal candidates. now a person can contribute as much as they want during a two-year election cycle. before yesterday's ruling, the cap on total donations stood at

nearly $49,000 to all candidates. and about $75,000 to parties and pacs. the decision does not alter the 2,600 limit an individual donate can donate to any single candidate. limits on the total amount people wanted to spend violated freedom of speech, as outlined in the first amendment. but writing in dissent, justice steven briar said if citizens united opened a door to today's decision, may open a floodgate. the ruling sparked sharp differences between those worrying about the money of soft money and those who say it levels the playing field. >> most americans, 98% of americans would say big money has an interest and makes it easier for them. >> the reason we are excited it brings the political parties, i think the most accountable groups in america, a little bit

closer to exercising our first amendment rights like everybody else. >> we want to bring in political writer for "the new york times" nicholas convasori. good to have you. >> seeing everybody running around in washington especially on the left with hair burning and this is the worst thing that has ever happened. i sit there wondering whether these weren't the same people running around with a sheldon a a adelson. did you hear the argument yesterday that it's sort of a zero sum game. you're actually taking power away from the megadonors possibly and giving it to the party because people are free to write more checks to political parties? >> joe, i pick a different metaphor. i would say it kind of raises

the parties back up again. you know, the party officials party leaders have seen a decline in their influence since mccain/feingold banned soft money to parties. what this does is allow senior parties and senior lawmakers on the hill a way to get back in the game for better or worse avasting for the big checks, $2 million or $3 million from big donors. until now the last couple of years the money is flowing into super pacs and other outside groups not controlled by the party. one argument you hear is this brings some of the money back into the parties and that could be an important affect, can boost parties and make money more accountable in a certain sense. >> sam, i did bring you on to be a conservative this morning. >> is that prejudging? >> i'm not prejudging.

this makes things more transparent. as somebody who has raised money and seen money flow around, all of those people that are screaming and whining and yelling about this and say there's no transparency, suddenly, allow you to see who the donor is and how much money they are giving and they are giving to the party. a lot of rich people are saying i would rather give to the democratic party or the republican party. >> sure. >> than have these yahoos run on the extremes run both parties. >> there is two reasons, i think, you're wrong. one is let's take a theoretical case. >> samantha b will not put him on clip. >> i didn't realize i did that. >> you're in the out crowd. >> no longer a proverbial son. if you want to -- if you said i want to spend $3 million on

hillary clinton i would be forced to set up a superpac. with the issue of transparent you're going to see a lot of the joint fund-raising committees pop up. i can give a 3 million dollar check to the clinton campaign and dnc and they will disburse it to allied groups. a lot of money is going to be shuffled around to different organizations which will be traceable but very hard to trace because you got to know where to look. >> if you're the chairman of the democratic party, though. >> you like this. >> you love this ruling. >> of course. you can now go to a donor and say your excuse of only being able to donate $123,000 no longer applies. >> i was going to say, the people, nicole, are the angriest are the big donors. >> they had some pretty funny quotes in the paper yesterday. >> it's always been an excuse. i'd always love to give the

democratic party more money but i'm maxed out. >> good luck. >> for a lot of people you see they have so much money this is -- they just hate all of the fund-raising letters that they get and it's more of an irritation. they don't have that excuse either. again, you can't curse at sheldon addelson and the guy in san francisco giving $100 million on the left and curse this ruling at the same time, i don't think. >> that's right. >> this cuts against those rich people. >> that's right. >> having worked for senator mccain who tried to enact the reform with senator feingold. >> they did. >> but it did not prevail. money is water. it will flow somewhere. i think what this did, practically speaking, as a campaign person, it just redirected the flow. >> can you say that again?

because people that always talk about, oh, i remember you also following a race in arizona one time. they had 516 dollar limits, right? what happened the last week? somebody rich on the left wrote a $5 million check and completely swamped the republican opponent. the money always finds its way. >> money always finds a way. the liberals usually come up with more money between their super donors and the unions and the campaign. at least in the last six, i think, national elections, the democrats have outraised the republicans. john mccain was vastly outraised -- >> i would agree. >> he was crushed. >> i would agree with that on the federal level. i think where it has ramification is on local races money will be swapped to an obscure organization or group or candidate and it won't be in the national spotlight and, suddenly, one organization or one party will have a huge

financial advantage and it won't be -- it will be totally under the radar. that's where this -- >> that's where we will start seeing our exhibit a, b, and c how this won't work practically speaking but that could happen on another side. >> let's look at some of the other opinions written. justice roberts saying money in politics may seem repugnant. if the first amendment protects flag burning and funeral protests and nazi parades, it surely protects political campaign speech despite popular opposition. nicholas, as we look what the roberts court has done, they have not upheld any challenges when it comes to campaign finance reform and the fact the money is it can flow freely now just like water. >> well, look. the money can flow freely into other places if the court provides a place for the money to go. and the court and citizens united created super pacs and

big dollars to go. until then it was kind of in a -- it was kind of in a gray world where it wasn't quite clearly legal to spend big checks directly on politics. if you have laws and rules that are written to allow it to go where, it will, right? >> but under this court it will always go somewhere. >> yes. this court has said basically the money of speech which has been true for a while, but also it's a kind of speech that requires the most stringent definition of corruption if you want to limit it and this court in particular has narrowed the kinds of corruption you can be tackling if you want to cut back on political money and making it harder to have rules saying you can't spend money or can't raise money, rather. >> if you're a candidate, do you like this, if you're running for president? >> i think if you're a candidate, you like them taking

off the individual limits. i still think it's, personally, insane that the court didn't go far enough here, that they were just talking about the aggregate limit. >> just give them time. >> why? because it's arbitrary? >> it's arbitrary and i think if somebody wants to give $5 million to 500,000 candidates is their business. getting rid of the aggregate is one thing. what they want to do andive given a lot of speeches and mika and i have gone around talking to people and stand up and they agree with me on 99% of the things and then they will say how do we get big money out of politics? everybody goes yes, yes. i go, we don't, first of all, and, secondly, we shouldn't. >> third, we can't. >> third, you can't. and i think what i've always

said it should be about transparency. let everybody write whatever check they want to but not to 5 -- 501c3. write the check and scan it on the computer. is there a law the second you write the check, before you give it to the candidate, scan it on the computer and shoot it to the campaign and by the time the campaign get the check, they immediately have to put it up online so you can trace every dollar and every cent. i can tell you i was in politics before the roberts court and i can tell you on the left and on the right, money always found a way to flow to candidates. it was just harder to trace. and this is a great irony of this debate. the more convoluted and complex you make campaign finance laws, the more corruption there will be. >> that's right. >> the happens all the time. the money on the right and on the left will always findity way. i thought john mccain was dead

wrong on the mccain/feingold and the situation was much worse after it passed than before. we need transparency. i want to know every dime that every candidate gets and i want to know where it's from and i don't have to trace around. >> i think that is smart. there was a lot to try to at least ply part of that. it was called the disclosed act and it was opposed by 501cd 4 groups. >> exactly. they want to hide the ball. >> exactly. your position is what the traditional republican position has been up until a certain point and now it's not. but i think if you look forward, this court, i don't know, nick, maybe you can correct me on this, but it looks like they will eventual tackle the individual limits and if democrats were wise they might actually consider doing a tradeoff which is say, okay, we recognize what is coming down the road with individual limits probably likely to be ripped apart by the court let's try to get transparency in there right now for exchange. >> it's a good compromise? >> i don't know if it is but may

be the only compromise. >> coming up, steve case joins us on set, aol founder. then speak with senator james inhofe. and up next, the top stories in the political playbook. first, let's go to bill karins. >> who is bobbi brown? >> you could use a little bobbi, in your opinion. one benefit of our cold, long winter we didn't have a lot of severe weather the last three or four months. it was too cold. we haven't had a tornado fatality in this country going back to december and that is a good stretch and like to keep it going today but a couple of close calls. a tornado threat today. this morning, we have a lot of energy in the atmosphere. we have thunderstorms all over the place from missouri to kentucky back to up illinois and

especially near st. louis. look at how many lightning strikes the last half hour. about 25,000! there has been a lot of people woken up in the middle of all the night because of these storms. that is round one. no tornadoes this morning. but late this afternoon, through evening, a tornado threat. a clack scenario here snow up towards minnesota and warm, humid air out ahead of the storm and a best chance of a tornado forming sometime around 4:00 to 6:00 this evening and peaking in intensity between 7:00 and 10:00. those late night tornadoes when the sun has already set and it's dark out tend to be the deadliest. memphis, little rock, st. louis, springfield everywhere in between and between the mississippi and ohio rivers around midnight tonight. that tornado threat is this evening. north side of this storm also dealing with a lot of snow. minneapolis put up one of their biggest snowstorms april. possibility 6 to 10 inches of snow later on tonight.

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before i start making assumptions. i really hate to say this, but if this is the new gm leadership, it's pretty lacking. >> i think we need to know whether you believe the company acted in the best interest of the consumers who bought your car and the u.s. taxpayers who bailed you out. >> this, to me, is not a matter of acceptability. this is criminal deception. >> from our parade of papers. lexington herald ledgered. he unknowingly took part in a rally of dock fighting. >> he went to the rally? >> it was a mistake. >> have you ever done that? >> i don't know how you actually -- >> bevin says -- >> how do you stumble into a dock fig cockfight. >> it was clearly to support cock fighting legislation. he is challenging mitch

mcconnell in the state's republican primary. cockfighting is illegal in all 50 states and a felony in 41 and it's really sick. republican national committee narrowed the convention site to six states. cincinnati, cleveland, dallas, denver, kansas city, and las vegas. las vegas is considered to be the front-runner. the host city will be selected this summer. ted cruz is in for a major payday. he signed a book deal reportedly worth $1.5 million. let me guess, it is a memoir? is it? gentlemen. it will focus on his time in washington since elected in 2012. he is a possible 2016 republican candidate to ink a book deal along with hillary clinton and

paul ryan. >> amazon is officially entering the television hardware business with the launch of a set box called fire tv and retailing for $99 and designed to be more powerful than competing products from apple. it is going to include a free month of amazon and netflix. a man in florida hatched a plan to get out of work but it landed him in jail. he told police his house was burglarized but a neighbor surveillance camera showed the man opening window and doors to his house and then calling the cops. he quickly admitted to staging the scene. he was charged with providing false information to law enforcement. if you don't want to come in, just call me. >> i'll give awe call. let's go to thomas roberts now with the political playbook. >> the neighbor does not like him. joining us with the political playbook, john harris. good morning. >> good morning. >> president obama we saw hitting the road yesterday and seemingly back in the campaign

mode at the university of michigan. following what he calls the successful rollout of the health care law. in that speech, john, billed on this address on minimum wage but the president ended up taking republicans to task over their latest budget proposal. >> when they give you these budgets they don't tell you what they caught because they don't like it. they give one idea which is to repeal obamacare, because they haven't tried that 50 times. if this all sounds familiar, it should be familiar because it was their economic plan in the 2012 campaign. it was their economic plan in 2010. it's like that movie groundhog day but it's not funny. if they tried to sell this sandwich at zingerman's they would have to call it the stink burger or the meanwich.

>> the one liners there. i think it's 51 times technical they have tried to repeal it. but how is paul ryan's budget being absorbed? >> you saw in the president in those clips something he doesn't always do which is convey a sense he is having fun with his job. he is clearly having fun there. and he's doing what democrats have wanted him to do. they wanted him to do more aggressively in 2010 and wanted him to do it more aggressively in 2012. which is go have a head-on debate about obamacare. past four years ago, the third election in a row, fundamentally that is the biggest domestic policy issue. in '10 and '12 it was unpopular so they kind of skirted past it. what they seem to want to do this time is take it head-on in this election and into paul ryan's in a foil. meaning the threshold, i'm sxang

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we believe that to be a real moment. spur of the moment. turns out that special moment was brought to you by samsung. >> what? >> no! >> the slurring hgger has a new endorsement with samsung. he released a statement. when we heard about the visit to the white house we worked with david and the team how to share images to the fan. ortiz is sticking with his story samsung did not pay him to do that. and the president did not know it was a part of an advertising campaign. >> this is the sort of thing people hate. >> really? >> they really do. >> they shouldn't do that with products. >> what are you holding in your hand? >> look. hold on. >> there you go. >> let's see if that is a good one. joe, you've got to open your eyes! you're like steve burke. seriously. did you see steve burke the other night at that party? i tweeted it. >> beauty face. >> open your eyes, joe.

>> i can't open my eyes. >> steve burke is like this. >> let's get some action on the field. derek jeter better get used to pregame ceremonies. the late inning drama is in full swing. take a peek. >> pregame ceremony honoring derek jeter in houston. roger clemens, a former teammate there and also is and pettitte. he is picking up some goodies. a ball high and deep to left field. this one is back and gone! home run! high and into left field! bautista has done it again! home run number two! >> on the ground up the middle. diving is pedroia. throws to first and it's in time! >> way outside. gets away. sox win it 7-6! yea! >> he landed flat on cement. watch. there it goes and there he goes.

>> swing and a drive. hammered deep left. at the track. at the wall! good-bye! a solo home run. the first hit of the game. >> bases loaded walk. it's going to force in the winning run! >> hayward coming on in a hurry. skids. dives. and comes up with it! heyward on the run and dives and another great catch! bouncing ball to left! raise the jolly roger! longest game in pittsburgh ends with the pirates victory! >> the 1-1. driven toward crest center file. the ball gets down. another win for the tigers in a back-to-back game. >> the boys are summer are back. you had a great visit to the white house? >> i did. i brought emil ya graham.

he slid into third base on his face and made it, just made it before they caught it. >> all inspired by big papi. >> it was. i like these baseball games. it's fun. >> we got a hard turn to make here. coming up, taliban is poised for a comeback in afghanistan. bobby ghosh will join us with more "morning joe" after this.

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>> lindsey who has been shooting in afghanistan 14 years from when the taliban was ruling the country went back there with crystal mar, our bureau chief and she has taken some amazing pictures. you can sort of see 14 years of understanding and knowledge in these one shot. >> yes. so the return of the taliban. the women on the cover, by the way, the issue you always think about when you talk about pulling out, when you talk about ending an endless war is what happens to the women. >> they are at the point of the sword. they are the people who will suffer first and foremost if the taliban comes back. whether that means they come back to government or a larger factor in life in afghanistan. you see the women feel a sense of desperation now. they are embracing. an election in afghanistan next week. the women are embracing this election because it's their last best hope. more than 300 women are standing

for elections. the largest number ever. show a huge number of women are determined to vote even though there has been a campaign of terror and intimidation by the taliban because they realize that if this election goes badly and if the next government is just as discredited as hamid karzai government has been the last four or five years is there no hope for them. >> we have been there 12 years. has there been no popular uprising in these dozen years of mainstream afghan citizens to support and defend women's rights? we can't stay there for 30 years. the 31st year the taliban will do the same thing next year if they leave this year. >> there is a lot of women participation. no popular ruuprising but peopl are voting for their feet. people will vote for them and a revolution for themselves in the afghan context.

one of the vice presidential candidates is a woman. >> really? that is incredible! >> there is not really square style revolution but it's quieter and i would argue it's more mooeeaningful. more afghans recognize they need to have women in public life and they cannot hide their women and especially their daughters behind the veil. they need to give them an education. the question is whether the infrastructure that we have built at great cost, who knows how many hundreds of billions of dollars. the math is still not completely done. whether that infrastructure will endure when we have left and not clear it will. that is sort of painful for every american family. >> of course. >> whose son or daughter has given their life or suffered there. and for the american taxpayers who paid for this. >> it's been 12 years as joe said. is there a new generation of afghan men who are growing up in afghanistan where they see women differently? isn't that a piece of this?

>> boys, a lot of them have now become used to seeing their sisters and mothers outside. they are not that many coed schools but the idea of at least in the cities, the idea of girls going to school is no longer a foreign and strange one. it is quite common. but, again, a lot of people are worried the taliban is going to comeback and are leaving the country. those with afford to are. >> the taliban is not the ruling majority. in fact, you saw three or four years ago like 15% approval rating among the people. they are hated by most in afghanistan, right? >> absolutely. very few will stand up and say they love the taliban and everything the taliban stand for. the taliban don't care. they don't need votes. their way is bullets and guns and they have done it before and they know how to do it and have shown it. >> why do we think that this election will be some sort of

great elixar for the country? >> we don't know it. all signs is it won't be. all afghans have left now is hope. they are hoping this is the beginning of a new cycle. if obeying if it's a clean election and a new government we know karzai is going. there will be a new government. will it begin a cycle of at least trying to deliver better governance and cut back on corruption? even small steps will help and that is it. this is afghan's clutching at the last straw. >> hillary clinton's work with women around the world is always seen as pet projects in some ways and i wonder if we could go back and do it again and centering around women and women's rights if we were in a better place today. >> the task of nation building is so complex. >> yeah. >> that we sort of -- our

efforts were diffused. >> i know. we will be looking at the latest issue of "time" magazine, all of us. the return of the taliban. bobby ghosh, thank you so much. >> we found out a lot of people become converts to one faith or another in a bunker. >> yes. >> they are close to death. 2004, bobby was converted to religion, he became a member of red sox nation. this is a story you'll have to tell when you come back. >> it's a good one. >> i already have the socks. i just had to find the faith. coming up on "morning joe," can tech start-ups survive outside of silicon valley? steve case will join us with his take on that very question. all that and more when we return. ♪ ought to sleep spending room is sinking deep

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we know the community is strong. we know the community is resilient. we know the soldiers and the families of this fort who have so bravely in combat in both iraq and afghanistan are strong and we will get through this. welcome to "morning joe." nicole wallace and thomas roberts are still bus. joining the table is msnbc political analyst and visiting professor at nyu harold ford jr. we will launch in here and update everybody on ft. hood. an army specialist suspected of killing three people before killing himself in a shooting rampage. it is the same military post where a gunman killed 13 people back in 2009. yesterday's dead were all active military and 16 others are being treated at local hospitals. some in critical condition. the soldier identified to nbc news as 34-year-old ivan lopez allegedly opened fire in one building and got in a car firing as he went. reports say he opened fire in another building where he

reportedly took his own life. officials on the base say he was carrying just a .45 caliber smith and wesson semiautomatic handgun he recently purchased but wasn't registered on base. lopez served in iraq four months in 2011 and was being treated for his mental health. >> he was not diagnosed as of today with ptsd. he was undergoing a diagnosis process to determine if he had ptsd. that is a lengthy process to be confirmed with ptsd. there are reports he self-reported a traumatic brain injury previously coming back from the iraq war. he was not wounded in war. he was not wounded in action to our records. no purple heart and not wounded in action in that regard. he was on medication, that is correct. he was undergoing behavior health and psychiatric health and a variety of other psychological and psychiatric issues. >> word spread quickly of the shootings.

one texas woman says she was with the suspect's wife when the news broke. >> oh, gosh. >> i was so happened to be upstairs. i saw the wife coming outside. she looked as if she had been crying, so i went to console her because i knew her husband was a soldier. and i told her everything would be okay and she was like she hasn't heard from him since 3:00. so we stayed with her to make sure she was okay and next thing you know, we hear it on the news. they announce his name and she just breaks down. >> joining us you now from ft. hood, texas, charles hadlock with the very latest. charles? >> reporter: good morning, mika. authorities, the army and the fbi are trying to figure out why this soldier opened fire killing three fellow soldiers and wounding 16 others before taking his own life. the general said it does not appear to be terrorism later but not ruled anything out. the military has identified the

soldier to nbc news as ivan a. lopez. he is 34 years old. he is married. he has a 3-year-old daughter. you heard from one of the neighbors. he lives in an apartment complex very close to the base here. they say they are shocked to learn that the man that they knew only briefly could be involved in something like this. they say he was always friendly and smiled and waved as he came and went from want apartment complex. the general here says the gun used in this shooting was a .45 caliber semiautomatic weapon that was purchased here locally and not registered here at the base as it should have been. mika? >> nbc's charles hadlock, thank you so much. joining us from the pentagon is nbc news chief pentagon specialist, jim miklaszewski. i'd like to start out with of issue of ptsd. 22 suicides a day. we have shootingings that could be and could not be related and breakdown of families across the country. do we not have a problem that isn't being dealt with correctly

on a national level? >> since the wars in both iraq and afghanistan, the u.s. military, particularly the army, has really stepped up their game in trying to first diagnosis and treat ptsd which has become a huge problem. now this suspect had, in fact, been undergoing some mental treatment as we heard just a moment ago for anxiety, depression, behavioral matters. and they were also looking into whether he had ptsd. but it's odd because his service record four months in iraq in 2011 just at a time when everybody was leaving, he was not a combat soldier, doesn't necessarily lead to ptsd but i can guarantee you that investigators in the pentagon and in the army will be diving deeply into his medical records to determine in any signs this could have happened were missed. >> we understand military police are allowed to have their

weapons on ft. hood on other military bases. however, people like lopez should not be carrying weapons at the time. talk about the type of weapon that he had and how that was undetect and he was able to get that on base? >> after that mass shooting in 2009 in which 13 killed, more than 30 wounded, ft. hood enforced new rules on individuals having weapons. now, he, of course, violated those rules. but, you know, on an army base where there are lots of guns and lots of soldiers, it's almost impossible on any given day to determine which soldier may, in fact, be improperly carrying his weapon. but they are going to be looking into that very stringently. he purchased this gun only a few days before this actual shooting. whether they are going to ask those tens of thousands of soldiers who enter that base every day to walk through a metal detector is just out of the question. >> nbc's jim miklaszewski, thank

you very much. joining us now from washington, nbc news chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown" chuck to do and neil katia acting solicitor of the united states. >> chuck, what is your response on on the decision from supreme court as far as, you know, put on your hat as our political director. what kind of impact does this have on the 2014 elections and 2016 elections? >> i would say if you're going to look at short term impact it's advantage is gop. why? they have more of these sort of what i would call middle class rich donors if you can be middle class and rich and i'm being a little facetious here. but they have more of those rank in file wealthy donors that suddenly now if there is no limit to how much money you can give overall to federal candidates, there are just more of those folks available to that. now, the history of when the rules change, there is always one party that seems to be more

ready to go to take advantage of the new rule sooner than later but within a cycle, the other party catches up. what i think you're going to see is now this exponential razing and can move to any people buneding people. emily's list for growth are the two most effective at this all right. they have donors ready to go and then when they endorse you, they suddenly can bring a couple of hundred donors to your campaign maxed out ready to go. now have you no caps on how much money you can give, the pool of money that they can gather together and move and it's just going to take -- i think it takes more and more power away from the individual donor and more and more powerway from the individual campaign and it puts it into this sort of, in this case, for congressional races, more power to fund-raising

groups and special interest groups that can gather together donors. >> also political party. i was going to say we have been hearing the great lament arnold this set when extremism on the left or right. republicans are asked where are all of your big leaders is in the big leaders are in las vegas, you know? sheldon adelson or guys will write $90 million in checks. does this supreme court decision not give -- take power away from these individuals, and, as you say, give it more to these groups and give more to political party, so at least political parties, democratic and the republican party, can at least raise enough money where they can punish their own members if they are too extreme? >> well, it has the ability to make the parties more powerful and get them to have more financial horsepower. but i don't see how it at all

disincentivizes the billionaire. the billionaire player in this suddenly they have cut out the middle man. they have cut out the political party. they have basically set up their own -- >> i understand. >> so i don't think that their power goes away. >> so sheldon adelson, i keep bringing him up because everybody is talking about him. he is not playing on the field by himself if the national republican party has a lot of money, they can say, okay, you can change this person or that person. >> sure. >> but you're not playing in a game of billionaires now. we are back in the game. >> well, maybe. but they are still only raising $25,000 per individual. there's still a limit on the amount of money an individual donor can give to an entity which, by the way, i have no idea where roberts came up with that ration national any more. he came up with a ration national to keep somehow keep the individual limit in place but get rid of the aggregate by

using this corruption line but the same rational he used to get rid of the aggregate, it seems to me he didn't really get -- they could have easily gotten rid of the individual limit. >> roberts has always been more about evolution than revolution. >> very arbitrary. here is where the issue -- >> i think the aggregate limit is arbitrary here. it's outrageous and roberts talked about it in the case. i'm hoping that the supreme court will follow it all the way down to individual limits because -- >> joe, then look. if you say that with the aggregate limit. you're going to see a whole bunch of federal entities start up even more committees. so, for instance, right now, the dnc and nrc might have a joint race with the senate race and they will have join fund-raising committees and all of these different federal committees so that they can find a way to find

more donors, get more of these rich people to get more of these donations to federal entities. >> it takes away from the individual donors power and it disburses it more. i think it gives us more transparency too. >> but you take away the power of the individual donor and you take away the power of the campaign itself. i think all of this -- this is the problem that i have with all of these rules. >> i don't understand that. what do you mean if we take away the power of -- >> if you're running for office -- >> the donor itself? >> joe, if you're running for office as a candidate now, you are stuck having your to find groups that you may agree with so on they can find you donors. if you don't agree with those, those donors will go to one of your opponents. but it is -- you don't have the power to sort of set your own agenda and where i think the power of the donor, the power of the special interest group that has cobbled together these

donors, that a only increased. >> i'll be honest. i always follow your logic but yi don't follow it this morning. >> you have the billionaires can come in as super pacs and special interest groups bundling the contribution. you will have a hard time to run the campaign and agenda you want to run is my point. >> somebody that has run before, i actually like this. i would like to actually knock down the final wall and let individuals give as much as they want to give and have complete and absolute transparency. you scan the check and put it on the website and we know where the money is coming from. >> more and more money will flow to parties and i agree with chuck from the standpoint you'll great more committees within these parties and attract more money which is fantastic.

at the same time you allow the parties to dictate the message. i disagree with chuck individual campaigns will lose ability to dictate what they talk about. we're dealing with that now and realizing they can come in and dominate the conversation. more power in the back of campaigns and back in to individuals. to the extent chuck is right about the club for growth and emily lists of these big groups of people. you force more ideas into the conversation. i don't think we get to where chuck wants to and get public financing and i'd be interesting to hear the solicitor general. >> wait. we are not having public financing because barack obama destroyed that. >> i'd like to get there. one of the advantages to this decision also is that if chuck is right, we will get so much chaos and confusion in this process that we may find ourselves having so change this altogether. i agree with roberts from the standpoint not up ending the campaign aggregate limits the 2600 per campaign and at least he'll wait for a fact pattern to do that and i agree with those who suggest we find six months

to a year they will be interested to hear the solicitor general what he may say. >> i completely agree with that. i think the chief justice's decision yesterday isn't just about evolution rather than revolution. it's about stealth revolution. i think the left and the right of the court said the roberts opinion ultimately means that all campaign finance restrictions on individual contributions are going to go, and that is a really devastating thing. they have been enacted by congress and around 40 years and 50 republicans voted yesterday for the law that supreme court struck down. and, you know, the issue lurking underneath all of this is, you know, people are talking about what is the right balance between corporations and individuals? what is the right balance between congress and the the courts? the chief justice famously and his colleagues got on the court

saying we believe in judicial restraint and here they are striking down this law of congress, bipartisan law of congress and striking it down a few months before they struck down the voting rights act. in less than a year, they struck down two major pieces of legislation and took the united states supreme court a hundred years, its first hundred years to strike down two acts of congress. >> isn't that what supreme court does? i mean, the united states supreme court, it can be argued, is actually been ahead of congress on, if you're on the left, or even if you're more libertarian on the right, on same-sex marriage. the courts are ahead of where congress is on same-sex marriage. go all across the nation and they are saying things in court decisions that the united states congressmen and congress women would never say on the floor of the house. what supreme court does even when it's not popular, right? >> i disagree. it should resolved constitutional app disputes and

acts of congress only when something is clearly unconstitutional. yesterday's decision i think made some pretty crafty moves in trying to strike down and dismantle all of campaign finance reform, but the idea these are clearly unconstitutional is a very hard argument. i mean, the chief justice, his best argument was, look. if you can limit -- this is no different than congress coming around and saying you can't -- newspapers can't endorse only a certain number of candidates to cap the number of newspaper endorsements. the idea that newspaper endorsements is anything like this is different. this is not pure speech. obviously, sometimes when you donate for a candidate they can use it for speech but also use it for pizza or gas or other things too. >> that may not be your definition of pure speech, but we are talking about political speech and as anybody that spent one day in law school knows, political speech is much more highly valid than any other style of speech. >> i completely agree with that. >> this is what roberts said.

the government may no more restrict how many candidates or causes a donor may support than it may tell a newspaper how many candidates may endorse. that is the line, nicole, that neal was talking about. >> yeah, neal and chuck are distressed about things that have nothing to do with this case yesterday. and i'm not sure what middle class voters are hamstrung by not able to give more than $75,000 to political causes. and i worked on three presidential campaigns. this is about the megadonor who can write a check for lots of money. do they write it to a super pac and if you're sitting on a presidential campaign and if you're hillary clinton's press secretary you have no idea what is on the air in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. with this law, you have a little more say. this actually puts -- if not more power, more knowledge in the hands of campaigns and if you believe that campaigns are where the message sho come from and if you believe the transparency which is extraordinary. the standards for transparency on a presidential campaign far

exceed the transparency standards for a super pac. if you think any of that is good, then this decision yesterday should at least be cause for neal and chuck to stop banging their heads against the wall. >> i want to say i want everybody to have -- just as people who have run before, harold, you and can say firsthand the most horrifying thing that can happen is when a third-party that you have no control about goes up with a tv ad. i actually culled one one time saying what are you trying to do to beat me? >> the worst kind of help you can get! >> they say we can't talk to you and hung up the phone. >> one as joe shared precluded a conversation between the campaign and the people running those ads and exists in some ways. i think this reempowers -- nicole said it best and echo her points. it reempowers campaigns and allows the party to have more responsibility and accountability for the messages out there along with the campaign.

i think i understand the line of thinking that some have offered this morning. anyone that believes that parties and candidates and campaigns are going to lose control of the message because of this decision, i beg to differ and say i think is the exact opposite. >> let's go to chuck first and then we will go to neal. >> the issue is -- >> well, look. if this court is going to say money is speech and i would just say this to anybody that wants to reform the system. you're going to have to go to a disclosure free market system and here is what i mean by that. you're going to get rid of the limits, then you need to essentially say, fine, you can give any amount of money you want to an individual candidates but if you hit -- if you give a certain amount of money, let's say, if over a hundred thousand dollars, then you have to disclose that donor and every tv ad you say. i'm joe and i approve this message paid for by michael smith and john smith and joe

smith. if you try to figure out how to limit the money a person gives to a candidate threaten to have their name attached to every single advertisement the campaign runs and suddenly they give 99,999 dollars max rather than a hundred thousand, you sort of nascar your way to this. allow the market to work. allow somebody to make that decision. hey, they can give all they want but if they do, then their name is attached to that candidate. i just -- look. i hear what you guys are saying that you think maybe this puts some power back to the parties. that's possible. i just think it now puts the power and the incentive structure to finance campaigns all into this idea of finding major donor bundlers and major bundlers in a way basically the way the system was before, before the addvents of superpaks but to an exponential level.

yes, sir a new disclosure. maybe the political parties have a little more half and a little more money, but i don't see how this helps the individual candidate and i think it disincentivizes how they feel they have power over their own message. >> neal, go. >> this is not about congress disadvantaging political parties or candidates. congress enacted this because they are worried about disadvantaging the ordinary voter. and is the dissent pointed out yesterday, supreme court's decision means any one individual can give up to 2.5 million, a bit more than that to a single individual and swamp out the ordinary voters. that is what the decision is about. >> they can't do -- >> you couldn't do it to individual candidates. what congress rules are all about and you said that this -- >> think about this. i understand your logic but they can give it all now and more and these outside groups go into the various congressional districts

and add to the campaign. no coordination and no responsibility for. >> i understand it's bad for candidates. >> yes, it is! >> it's bad for -- >> it's bad for democracy! >> candidates are responsive to voters, not -- super pacs are not responsive to voters. if your whole sort of cause is the politics should be responsive to the voter, a campaign in a political party is more responsible for a voter because they have to disclose where the money came from than a super pac! >> what supreme court did yesterday is make the assumption the donor, the left, and right are all honest brokers and that is crap! >> there is corruption that is going to happen in politics when money is involved. what they did is bhak this grand assumption money is not going to tarnish anything when it comes to politics? >> i think the money is going to flow and if they can make it flow somewhere there is a little more disclosure and the voter is closer to where the money is going to the candidate or the

campaign or the party. that that is protected -- >> the effort should be on disclosure and, look. the thing is we are not there. there are folks standing -- the irony is mitch mcconnell had legislation that competed with mccain/feingold in '98. i don't know if republicans are in favor of it now but it was an instant disclosure. you applied it to the super pacs and 501(c)(4), but you don't have it. >> by the way, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it, chuck. i think at the end, that is going to be. we talked about it this morning already. sam said it. we have all said it. let the individuals pay what individuals want to pay but have immediate absolute disclosure. >> i don't know how that hurts anything. >> i don't know either. you know, the thing is, again, i'm just a little confused by some of the discussion this morning. >> we will continue to have it. >> but i'm going to finish.

this is an important -- this is an important point for those of us who have been following this closely for some time. look at the republican presidential primary last time and look at the candidates that we all know would have never been out there taking up a space during the debates, running 30-second ads and twisting and distorting the republican party's message if not for one super donor. >> right. >> and, by the way, democrats loved it when it was happening to republicans. >> right. >> they are not going love it when it's happening to their own party. what this does is it diffuses the power -- they will still have the power. the guy in san francisco still going to be able to write a hundred million dollars to -- to send out a left leaning message, but at least the democratic party, if he goes too far left, will be able to get enough donors and get more money in and be able to moderate a message

that may damage their chances to win elections. this is just -- this is -- for those of us tsh. >> >> this will be different than some are suggesting. i'm still opposed to it. this law here, i don't think, will have the devastating effects on a system some are predicting. i think what you just shared, joe, is going to happen. >> hopefully, we avoid another one of those scenes we had in 2012 in the republican party. i just wish that it wouldn't stop before it happened to democrats at least one time! it was a nightmare! mika, chuck is exactly right. chuck is exactly right. transparency. republicans used to be for it. write as much as you want to write but it's immediately transparent. we need to be for that again because that's a great compromise. >> you've been for that as long as i've known you and talked to about it to great applause at book events.

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we are stilt debating this. joining us now at the table the chairman and ceo of aol, steve case. you have a piece in "wall street journal" today. >> it's shocking. >> what? >> something that washington did is working! >> how about that? >> it's shocking. >> okay. it's not so shocking, joe. 7 million and counting. all right. full screen. hey, washington. the jobs act you passed is working and you say in part this, steve.

what the jobs act did for securities laws other legislation should do for immigration and investment incentives and patent laws to ensure that the u.s. remains the most entrepreneurial country in the world. the jobs act is making it easier for companies public where they can grow but maybe the greatest contribution if it provides a model to tackle other hard problems with innovation, compromise and courage. >> talk about the three provisions that the jobs act has and how they are working. >> it was a good example bipartisan people coming together to get something done providing access to capital for entrepreneurs. one was crowd funding so you could use the internet to raise money for a company and another provision was essentially what is called general solicitation. you announce you're trying to raise money. the third related ipo is creating a situation where the emerging growth companies could consider a public offering

sooner and not susceptible to all of the same rules if you're one of the larger companies until the world and unleached an ipo boom this year and the biggest in more than a decade. >> smaller companies not had an opportunity -- >> they all went public in 1992 the first internet company to go public we raised $10 million. unless you raise a hundred million nobody would pay any attention. the cost of going public and being public was such it didn't make any sense by loring that burden still a lot of disclosure but less disclosure for companies to consider and the reason that was so important and called the jobs act is that the job creation of companies is no most will in the start-up sector. 40 million jobs created the last three decades by high gross start-ups and most come after companies go public. they go public and drive the capital to grow if they aren't able to go public all too often sold and when they get sold job growth goes down. people leave. so we want to create more jobs and focus on start-ups and make

it easier for entrepreneurs to access capital and make it accessible for a speed up. >> once a company started, you know, the big political debate now is how do they treat and pay their workers? >> right. >> i'm curious someone who has been there and started a business, what do you make of this minimum wage debate? do you think the minimum wage is too low, should be raised and should we be looking elsewhere when it comes to loring the inquality gap? >> i think we have seen technology create a lot of innovation but hallowed out jobs and people don't like to hear that in silicon valley but it's true and a more focus how about entrepreneurships and create more jobs? there are encouraging things happening in advanced manufacturing new kinds of jobs created and new kinds of skills and partnering between companies and things like community colleges to train people for the jobs that are now emerging i think is very important. i think we have to recognize technology is a force to continue to be a force and we need to try to make sure we are

the center of the magnet for innovation which is why immigration reform is important but also make sure it's not just creating tech companies few people get wealthy on but create companies that also can be big job creators. >> what are the road blocks at this point, then, to small businesses and start-ups? you say certain things are working here and that is great. where do we need to go? >> still work to be done in progress the jobs act in place. the s.e.c. is slow in finalizing the crowd funding provision so that needs to get done. immigration reform is a big deal and talked about it in the past and not the start-up visa and how you create a broader package and something more comprehensive. the house needs to move and this summer is the opportunity to get that done. patent reform is now being discussed and make it easier for start-ups to innovate and not give the power to the big companies, the patent controls, the big law firms and different kind of regulatory changes including investment incentives and other countries are creating that around start-ups and i think we should as well.

>> think about broad band and some of the things that government can or cannot do as we look at introducing new generations of technology and new generations of innovation. what can be done on a government side to allow the big broad band and companies do what they are doing and they made massive investments and what more less than government do? >> a variety of technologies emerged the last ten years and wireless is important. a decade ago you were tethered to the hard line or cable lines. now the big movement not just to this country but around the world is wireless and particularly wireless broad band and get people to make those investments while keeping the internet open you see that is tricky and a lot of debate now in washington about should more consolidation happen or not? there is pluses and minuses. >> how far behind are we with our wireless infrastructure? >> pretty far behind. we were the leader. this country created the internet. years ago the funding kraeed the backbone of the internet. we are at risk of lose onning

our ground. >> why are we so far behind? >> the a whole host of reasons. i think the companies that have been the leaders in the last decade have not made the kind of investments and new technologies they have you've seen in other countries. >> what is that? >> what is that? >> why? >> because it's not -- competitive enough market. they haven't had enough investment incentive to put the money into it. >> get wireless in the subway in washington, d.c. and get that pretty much anywhere. >> they have invested $5 hundred billion the last several years. should there be a lighter regulatory touch to get them to do more? some of these other -- we are not as bad as we suggest the numbers aren't great but isn't the regulatory touch in other countries than it is here? >> i think we have benefited from that. we have invented the internet and aol emerged and other companies the government's view we are not sure how this is going to work and premature to figure out how to regulate it and let it run. they also made, as you know some decisions 25 years ago passing a

new telecom act that forced the breakup of the phone companies along with the judge green. that unleashed a lot in the nation a lot of competition but then we saw consolidation and we need to see more of of the start-ups and back to start-ups. how can we get entrepreneurs focused on the neck generation of technology? they put the pressure on and not the tackers and not the defenders who are the innovators. >> steve case, thank you very much. check out his piece in "wall street journal." wait! my daughter is calling me on my samsung. hello! >> read charles koch op-ed as well. steve case and charles koch side-by-side and charles koch talking about people like you. >> thank you. >> we will talk about the military spending coming up with senator james inhofe and the challenges facing our returning troops. we will be right back. ♪ (agent) i understand. (dad) we've never sold a house before. (agent) i'll walk you guys through every step.

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of what happened in ft. hood five years ago. we know these families, we know their incredible service to our country and the sacrifices that they make. obviously, our thoughts and prayers are with the entire community and we are going to do everything we can to make sure that the community at ft. hood has what it needs to deal with the current situation. >> all right. joining us now from capitol hill, the senior senator from oklahoma, republican jim inhofe. nice to see you on the show, sir. thank you for coming on board. i take it you were with the secretary of the army when this all went down. >> yeah. >> what can you tell us? >> well, let me tell you first a real coincidence. i was with the secretary last night when this actually happened. we got the notice and the two of us were together. ironically, yesterday morning, senator kelly ayotte asked the

panel of installations. what teps are you taking to prepare for or respond to threats of facilities in light of the 2009 ft. hood shooting and she asked that question yesterday and not knowing this thing would happen this day. she said the answer she got and this is to the secretary of the military installations was totally inadequate. that only happened yesterday. >> senator, this is nicole wallace. i have a question about the military, broadly speaking, on mental health. i know the army has done so much and they have to adapt to a ballooning population with mental health issues and ptsd. are we still getting to the soldiers too late? obviously, what happened yesterday is an example. on a broader scale before an intervention can happen it seems like a soldier has to be so

obviously disturbed. can we not get yurge upstream with this? >> asking the right person. i started with the legislation in 2010 and 2011 and 2012. the colonel wanted to try to analyze and try to determine in advance what types of ptsd or other drug frobs or other things could cause something like this to take place. obviously, we haven't done it. we have actually worked on this on every defense authorization bill since 2010. a lot more needs to be done, but i really think that the thing that kelly asked yesterday, that is so revealing that we knew that they aren't doing enough in the military to do this. yet, they are making every effort. certainly the general did. one other thing. when i was in the army, we

didn't have the restrictions that they have right now. i'm thinking about what happened yesterday. this individual was finally stopped by a security woman who was armed. now, these guys who were there are at the mercy of someone who is out on a rampage that we saw yesterday because they know the perpetrator of these crimes know they are not armed out there, and so i would just disagree with a lot of these gun control people that -- who are trying to blame the gun instead of the individuals and allow them to be defended. >> sir, as we talk about ptsd and taking care of our own i want you to talk about the folks back gnome in oklahoma. coming up on the one-year anniversary next month of the devastation that happened in moore. i know we are in tornado season. we were there with "morning joe" last year. how are the folks back home doing? >> they are doing well. you have to keep in mind the one

that took place last time in the area of moore, oklahoma, that had taken place a few months ago in the same location. we are used to it. we have a lot more of the safe homes now. we have actually passed laws federally and locally to encourage people to have safe shelters in their homes and that is happening now. people who don't live in tornado alley don't really have a sense for what goes through these people's minds. i don't know of one person in oklahoma who hasn't been through one of these. i certainly have myself. so they are taking precautions. they are doing the smart thing. and the state legislature and our governor is working very well on this. >> senator james inhofe, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> thank you. still ahead after a decades under the brutal rule of saddam hussein iraq continues to rebuild. but how will they be remembered?

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did i say it right? >> yes, faily. >> mr. ambassador, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> where is iraq now a year or so after the united states left? >> we're developing, we're focusing on the development of our people. we're trying to get our politics sort of in better shape. >> you have a parliamentary election process starting now? >> yes, yesterday, started, the election campaign. it will take place the end of this month. >> and there have been some bombings ahead of that campaign. talk about the violence in iraq. >> -- there will be more bombing between now and the election. as part of the campaign by al qaeda and their affiliates to disrupt the democratic process in iraq. >> mr. ambassador, good morning. >> good morning. >> what have you done -- we've seen the arab spring, and we've seen the economic -- or lack of economic participation on the part of many in the region is what spawned a lot of the activity, at least that's the western belief. what are you doing in iraq to empower, to enable a middle class to enjoy the benefits of

middle class and to sustain it, which in large part, we think will prevent the terrible things going forward? >> what the arab spring is different than iraqi situation, because in iraq, we don't have the issue of economic development. it's booming. it's merely two-digit growth every year for the last few years. >> right. >> what we have is discussion primarily about the political process, more sort of harmonizing the political process, and more trying to get inclusion of every iraqis into the process. that's the main issue. >> in this country, we tend to lump together our military efforts in iraq and afghanistan, but they couldn't be more different. i wonder if you could, for the american audience, talk about what's gone well, what's gone right, and how the effort and the efforts of americans may have contributed to where the country is today. >> i mean, as you said, you're right, two different countries, are totally different, you get into the history, the geopolitics, and in relation to their wealth.

iraq is a very wealthy country. >> a very progressive country, very educated country. >> educated, and also electricity is high, the history's very rich, the economical growth is availability. people want to prospect. people want to be free. people want to be liberal-minded more, and want to prosper. that's the key difference between iraq and afghanistan. in addition to that, the hunger toward u.s. role post the role that joe talked about is there. people want strong relationships with the united states. >> the violence, obviously, undermines all of that. where is the government now in its fight against al qaeda and the extremists? >> the al qaeda issue, the biggest challenge we have, is border with syria. a vast amount of syria on us. the border is hard to control. it's desert border. it was even harder to control during the american presence there. we have a challenge there. we're trying to more include the political parties and the tribes

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♪ events in the past have taught us many things here at ft. hood. we know the community is strong. we know the community is resilient. and we know the soldiers and civilians and the families of this fort, who served so bravely in combat for the last 13 years in both iraq and afghanistan, are strong and we will get through this. good morning, everyone.

it's thursday, april 3rd. we want to start with the news out of ft. hood, texas, where an army specialist is suspected of killing three people before killing himself in a shooting rampage. it is the same military post where a gunman killed 13 people back in 2009. yesterday's dead were all active military and 16 others are being treated at local hospitals, some in critical condition. the soldier identified to nbc allegedly opened fire in one building, and then got in a car, firing as he went. reports say he opened fire in another building where he reportedly took his own life. officials on the base say he was carrying just a .45-caliber smith & wesson handgun that was recently purchased but not registered on base. -- was being treated for his mental health. >> he was not diagnosed as of today with ptsd.

he was undergoing a diagnosis process to determine if he had ptsd. that is a lengthy process to be confirmed with ptsd. there are reports that he self-reported a traumatic brain injury previously coming back from the iraq war. he was not a wounded warrior. he was not wounded in action to our records, no purple heart, not wounded in action in that regard. he was on medication, so that's correct. he was undergoing behavior health and psychiatric treatment for depression and anxiety and a variety of other psychological and psychiatric issues. >> word spread quickly of the shootings. one texas woman said she was with the suspect's wife when the news broke. >> i just happened to look upstairs and i see the wife coming outside, and she was hysterical. she looked as if she'd been crying. and so, i went to console her, because i knew her husband was a soldier. and, you know, i told her everything would be okay, and she said, she hasn't heard from him since 3:00. so we stayed with her, you know,

to make sure she was okay. and next thing you know, we hear it on the news. they announce his name, and she just breaks down. >> mm. joining us now from ft. hood, texas, nbc's charles hadlock with the very latest. charles, take it away. >> reporter: hi, good morning, mika. authorities here at ft. hood, the military and fbi, are trying to piece together why this soldier opened fire yesterday, killing three of his colleagues and wounding 16 others before taking his own life. authorities say they don't know a motive, but they have ruled out terrorism, at least for the moment. they don't see any signs that point to terrorism. that's good news here at ft. hood, which, you know, four and half years ago, we dealt with nadal hassan, who opened fire, killing 13 soldiers and wounding 32 others. he said he was motivated by an islamic cleric. in this case, they don't know a motive. this soldier is 34 years old. he lived in killeen, texas, in

an apartment complex. nbc news went to the complex last night, talked to some of the neighbors. they say the family moved in about three weeks ago, a wife and a daughter about 3 years old. he was a quiet guy but always friendly, waved to neighbors. they were devastated to hear the news that he may be involved in this shooting. the army says that the soldier served for four months in iraq in 2011, and was being treated for depression and anxiety. and was pending a possible diagnosis of post traumatic stress syndrome. officials say the gunman opened fire in one building, travelled by car to another building, firing shots as he went, entered a second building, came out, and was confronted by u.s. military police officer. when that happened, he turned the weapon on himself. mika, joe? >> charles hadlock on the scene there. thank you, at ft. hood. let's go to nbc's chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. jim, last night, president obama spoke about the shootings at ft.

hood. >> any shooting is troubling. obviously, this reopens the pain of what happened at ft. hood five years ago. we know these families. we know their incredible service to our country and the sacrifices that they make. obviously, our thoughts and prayers are with the entire community, and we are going to do everything we can to make sure the community at ft. hood has what it needs to deal with the current situation. >> jim, what else are you hearing at the pentagon about yesterday's shootings? >> reporter: right now, the pentagon is all about -- first of all -- comforting those who lost their loved ones, and those who were wounded. and second of all, taking a good, hard second look at how this could have happened. they're on ft. hood after that shooting rampage that resulted in the deaths of 13 soldiers and more than 30 wounded, and major

nadal hassan, himself, was convicted of murder and is now on death row at ft. leavenworth. ft. hood went through a very stringent self-examination on how to control weapons on the base, and they imposed a new rule that any personal sidearm had to be registered with the base. this sidearm allegedly purchased by the suspect only days before the shooting was not registered. and they're also, again, looking at post-traumatic stress syndrome. you know, how did this happen? and it's really -- he was under some psychological care for anxiety. he had some behavioral problems. they were trying to diagnose whether, in fact, he had ptsd. but what's confusing, joe, is that he was in iraq in 2011 for four months. he was a truck driver, not a combat soldier, and at that

time, if you'll recall, the u.s. military was pulling out. so it stands to reason that he would have been one of those driving trucks out of iraq into kuwait, and there's no indication that he saw any kind of combat. now, he did claim that he suffered traumatic brain injury, which was not documented by military or health care officials themselves, but it's quite obvious that this individual was having mental problems, joe. >> all right, jim, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we greatly appreciate it. it doesn't sound like he fits exactly the same situation -- >> right. >> -- that paul was talking about yesterday. this is obviously an ongoing problem -- >> it has to be. we have to look at not only just ptsd, which i think is coming to the fore, thanks to people like paul rykoff, and the guests we had, talking about the 22 suicides a day among veterans. but there is a generation of soldiers out there who have either seen combat or seen enough to come home and need

much more than they're getting. >> think about this. we said it yesterday. if 22 people a day were dying in combat, soldiers and sailors, airmen, marine, were dying in combat, there would be a national uproar. we are proving this morning the tragedy in ft. hood is drawing everybody's attention to what happened there, and for good reason. and we should. but there will also be 22 of our troops that served proudly that will take their own lives today. >> and we won't hear about it. >> we won't hear about that either. but we're going to see, unfortunately, a layering of these sort of tragedies in the coming years, whether publicly or whether it's silent tragedy unfolding inside the homes of the people -- >> we already are. let's go to nbc news analyst and former fbi assistant special agent in charge don borrelly. don, from what we know so far, what do you think we're looking at here? >> to me, there seems like a workplace violence type of

situation, where clearly there were patterns of disturbing behavior. specialist lopez had been -- or was being treated for potentially having ptsd, depression, anxiety. and then couple that with the fact that he recently purchased a weapon. so there were some warning signs, and it's going to be important to know, you know, who knew about those warning signs, were they reported to people on the base to potentially could have taken some action earlier that might have prevented these deaths and injuries? >> all right, don borelli, thank you. i think the conversation is, also, can we change -- or what can be done to change the way soldiers are released and become veterans? and that there must be more of a track for them, one that is less lonely and one that is less apt for them to have the demons take them over after what they have done serving our country. we have other big stories we want to get to this morning. joining us on set, white house correspondent for the huffington post, sam stein, here in new

york. welcome. >> thank you. >> former communications director for george w. bush and former senior advisor for the 2008 mccain presidential campaign, nicole wallace. welcome. the money will be flowing in the midterm elections in a big way following a supreme court decision that alters the campaign contributions in american politics. in a split 5-4 decision, the justices struck down how much any one person can donate to federal candidates. now a person can contribute as much as they want during a two-year election cycle. before yesterday's ruling, the cap on total donations stood at nearly $49,000 to all candidates. and about $75,000 to parties and pacs. the decision does not alter the $2,600 limit that an individual can donate to any single candidate. the court said the limits on the total amount people wanted to spend violated freedom of speech as outlined in the first

amendment. but writing in dissent, justin steven breyer said if citizens united opened the door to the decision, opened a floodgate, and shows sharp differences about those worried about the effects of soft money and those who say it levels the playing field. >> most americans would say big money has too much of an interest already, and this makes it easier for them. >> the reason we're excited is that it brings the political parties -- i think the most accountable groups in america -- a little bit closer to exercising our first amendment rights, just like everybody else. >> all right. we also want to bring in political writer for "the new york times," nicholas confessore. nick, good to have you as well. >> so, nick, seeing everybody running around in washington, especially on the left, with hair burning, and this is the worst thing that's ever

happened -- >> well. >> -- and i sit there wondering, these were the same people running around with the sheldon adelson get-together this weekend with their hair burning, and saying, oh, gee, if the parties were only a little more stronger, these individual tycoons wouldn't be able to dominate the process. is there not an argument -- and i didn't bring you -- i brought you on here to report -- but did you hear the argument yesterday that it sort of is zero sum game? you're actually taking power away from the mega donors possibly and giving it to the party, because people are free to write more checks to political parties? >> well, joe, i would pick a different metaphor. i would say it raises the parties back up again. the party officials, party leaders have seen a decline in their influence since mccain-feingold banned soft money to parties. and what this does is it allows party leaders and senior lawmakers on the hill a way to get back in the game for better or for worse, asking for the big

chucks, $2 million, $3 million a pop from big donors, until now, for the last couple of years, all that money has been flowing into super pacs and other outside groups not controlled by the party. so one argument that you hear is that this brings some of the money back in terms of the parties, and that could be an important effect, it can boost parties and it can make the money more accountable in a certain sense. >> all right. so let's look at some of the other opinions that were written. we have justice roberts writing the majority opinion, saying, money in politics may seem repugnant at times, but so, too, does what the first amendment vigorously attacks. if first amendment protects flag burning and protests at parades, it certainly protects campaign speech despite popular opposition. nicholas, as we look at what the roberts court has done, they have not upheld any challenges when it comes to campaign finance reform, and it can flow

freely now just like water. >> well, look, partly the money can flow freely into other places if the court provides a place for the money to go, and the court and citizens united created super pacs and created a place for big dollars to go. until then, it was kind of in a -- it was in a gray world where it wasn't quite clearly legal to spend big checks directly on politics. so it's kind of weird to say that the low goes somewhere. if you have laws and rules written to allow to go somewhere, it will, right? >> but under this court, it will always go somewhere. >> yes, this court has said basically that the money is speech, which has been true for a while, but also it's a kind of speech that requires the most stringent definition of corruption if you want to limit it, and this court in particular has narrowed the kinds of corruption you can be tackling if you want to cut back on political money, making it harder and harder to have rules that say you can't spend money

or can't raise money, rather. >> so if you're a candidate, do you like this, if you're running for president? >> you know, i think if you're a candidate, you like them taking off the individual limits. i still think it's, personally, insane that the court didn't go far enough here. that they were just talking about the aggregate limit, which is so, to me at least, is so -- >> just give them time. >> it's arbitrary. >> why, because it's arbitrary -- >> well, it's arbitrary, and also i think if somebody wants to give $500 million to 500,000 candidates, that's their business. so getting rid of the aggregate is one thing. what they really need to do, and i have given a lot of speeches and mika and i have gone around talking, and people will stand up and agree with me, 99% of the things, and then go up and go, how do we get big money out of politics?

and everybody goes, yes, yes, and i go, first, we don't, and second of all, we shouldn't. >> third, you can't. >> third, you can't. and what i've always said is it should be about transparency. let anybody write whatever check they want to write to, but not to 501-c-3s, and not hiding the ball. write the big check. >> totally agree with you. >> scan it on the computer. there's a law that the second you write the check, before you give it to the candidates, scan it on the computer, shoot it to the campaign, and by the time the campaign gets the check, they immediately have to put it up online, so you can trace every dollar and every cent. i can tell you i was in politics before the roberts court, and i can tell you on the left and on the right money always found a way to flow to candidates. it was just harder to trace. and this is the great irony of this debate. >> yeah. >> the more convoluted and complex you make campaign

finance laws, the more corruption there will be. >> right. >> it happens all the time. because the money on the left and the money on the right will always find its way in. john mccain was dead wrong on the mccain-feingold, and the situation was much worse after it passed than before. we need transparency. i want to know every dime, every dime that every candidate gets. and i want to know where it's from and i don't want to have to trace around -- >> so i think that's smart. and there was a law to try to at least apply part of that, called the disclose act. and it was opposed by groups like 501-c groups, because they didn't want their attorneys to be public -- >> exactly, they want to hide the ball. >> and your position is what the traditional republican position has been up until a certain point, and now it's not. but i think if you look forward, this court -- i don't know, nick, maybe you can correct me this -- it looks like they'll eventually tackle the individual limits. and if democrats were wise, they might actually consider doing a

tradeoff, which is, okay, we recognize what's coming down the road with individual limits probably likely to be ripped apart. let's try to get transparency in there now. >> so this is a good compromise for both -- >> i don't know if it's a good compromise, but it might be the only compromise. coming up, my interview with bobbi brown of bobbi brown cosmetics. >> she is awesome. >> you don't know her, i do. >> who is she? >> she's unbelievable. >> i love her. i love bobbi brown. >> she has this incredible campaign to lift women up, and happens to run this major makeup enterprise. >> that's awesome. >> we'll speak to jean chatzky about how couples should talk about money. ooh, that doesn't work. they just can't. up next, matt beven, a u.s. senate candidate in kentucky being pushed to legalize dockfighting. that's in your morning papers. who would do that? okay, we'll check in with john harris for today's political

playbook. but first, bill karins. >> that's a bad idea. >> what, make a transition from cockfighting to bill karins? >> ahead, bill. >> i'm trying to talk about tornadoes and dangers, and you are talking to me with cockfighting. good morning, everyone. st. louis this morning, 5:30 a.m., almost a whole entire city woke up all at the same time, because you were under a tornado warning this morning. the sirens were going off. everyone was running to their shelters. and a weak tornado did go through the northern portions of st. louis. i've seen a lot of the pictures of the twisted trees. it looks like it was fairly weak, no reports of injuries, but some damage to trees and a little bit of roof. a little symbolic thing of what's to come. as far as later today, the areas of concern are similar to where we're seeing the storms now. this is round one. we clear it out for a couple of hours for the day today, and then we'll see additional storms later today. and some of the storms could be very strong. the threat area. 48 million people under the threat of severe weather today. that's the people in the yellow

or the red color. the yellow is a slight risk. the red is a moderate risk, an increased chance of seeing severe weather, hail, wind damage, tornadoes. of course, the tornadoes are the scariest thing. and the immediate threat to lives later today. from about 4:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m., the target time, starting at 4:00, the peak is around 7:00 to 6:00 central time. and these storms will be racing to the northeast, moving very quickly as the sun sets. we'll have a lot of storm chasers on these storms, but once the sun sets, it will be very dangerous from st. louis to memphis as we go through the late evening towards midnight. again, we haven't had any tornado fatalities in this country so far this year. we've had a very quiet tornado season, mostly because it was winter for so long. let's hope we keep it that way today. the last graphic i wanted to show you is, sorry, minneapolis to st. cloud, you got about 6 to 12 inches of snow coming with the same storm later this afternoon and into tonight. we'll update you later on msnbc. more "morning joe" when we come back.

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♪ let's take a look at the "morning papers." "the new york times," for the second day in a row, the new ceo of general motors was grilled on capitol hill over why the company waited more than a decade to recall more than 2 million cars. mary barra testified before the senate commerce committee about the ignition switch issue that's been linked to at least 13 deaths. barra, who was named ceo in january, up to 30 years with the company, was unable to answer numerous questions about the

delayed action. >> i don't know. i want to understand why those actions were taken. i would like the complete investigation to be completed before i start making assumptions. >> i really hate to say this, but if this is the new gm leadership, it's pretty lacking. >> i think we need to know whether you believe the company acted in the best interests of the consumers who bought your car and the u.s. taxpayers who bailed you out. >> this to me is not a matter of acceptability. this is criminal deception. >> from our parade of papers, "the lexington herald-ledger," bevin said he attended a rally unknowingly supporting the legalization of cockfighting. >> wait, he went -- >> he went to a rally supporting the bailouts. i don't know how you stumble

into a cockfighting -- >> he thought it was a state's rights rally? the organizer said the event was to support cockfighting legislation. bevin is challenging republican senator mitch mcconnell on the state's republican primary. cockfighting is illegal in all 50 states and is a felony in 41. it's also really sick. >> yeah, the "washington post," the republican national committee, narrowed the list of possible 2016 convention sites to six cities yesterday. the finalists are -- cincinnati, cleveland, dallas, denver, kansas city, and las vegas. >> oh, no, no. >> las vegas is widely considered to be the front-runner. the host city will be selected this summer. that would be awesome. >> okay. "the dallas morning news," senator ted cruz is in for a major payday. the texas republican signed a book deal with harper collins reportedly worth $1.5 million. let me guess, it's a memoir. is it a memoir? yes, it is. it will focus on the senator's time in washington since he was

elected in 2012. cruz is the latest possible 2016 candidate to ink a book deal along with former secretary of state hillary clinton and republican congressman paul ryan. and from "the boston globe," amazon is officially entering the television hardware business with the launch of a setbox called fire tv. it will be retailing for $99. and it was designed to be more powerful than competing products from apple and roku. fire tv will include a free month of amazon prime and netflix. "the tampa bay times," a man in florida hatched a plan to get out of work, but it ended up landing him in jail. he told police his house was burglarized, but a neighbor's surveillance camera showed the man opening windows and doors to his house, and then calling the cops. he quickly admitted to staging the scene. he was charged with providing false information to law enforcement. if you don't want to come in, just call me. >> i'll just give you a call. let's go to thomas roberts right now. >> -- a feud with his neighbor. that neighbor does not like him.

>> no, no, no. >> joining us now with the "politico playbook," john harris. good morning. >> good morning. >> president obama, we saw him hitting the road, seemingly back in the campaign mode at the university of michigan, and following the successful rollout of the health care law, and it was billed as a speech on the minimum wage, however he took republicans to the task over the latest budget proposal. take a listen. >> when they put these budgets together, they don't usually tell you what they've cut, because you wouldn't like it. to give them one credit, they do have one original idea, which is to repeal obamacare. because they haven't tried that 50 times. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] if this all sounds familiar, it should be familiar, because it was their economic plan in the 2012 campaign. it was their economic plan in 2010. it's like that movie "groundhog day." except it's not funny.

if they tried to sell this sandwich at zingerman's, they'd have to call it the stink burger or the meanwich. >> all right, the one-liners there, but i think technical, 51 times they've tried to repeal it. how is paul ryan's budget being absorbed? >> look, you saw on the president, in those clips, something he doesn't always do, which is convey a sense that he's having fun with his job. he's clearly having fun there. and he's doing what democrats have wanted him to do. they wanted him to do more aggressively in 2010, wanted him to do it more aggressively in 2012, which is go have a head-on debate about obamacare. pasted four years ago. this will be the third election in a row, fundamentally that's the biggest domestic policy issue. in '10 and '12, it was unpopular, so they skirted past it. this time, what they seemingly want to do, is take it head on in this election and use paul ryan's budget as a foil. the president can say in the wake of those good numbs the

other day, meeting the 6 million threshold, getting it to seven, look, i'm expanding and strengthening the social safety net. those guys want to dismantle it and have a forthright debate, instead of sort of skirting around the edges. as i say, and have a little fun while doing it. >> thank you, sir. up next, when it comes to makeup, there's one person you have to speak to, so we did. mika's interview with businesswoman and entrepreneur bobbi brown. that's next. okay, listen up! i'm re-workin' the menu.

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learn a lot from listening to other women, which is why, you know, i originally read your book. so pretty powerful beautiful stories was born, and women talk about how amazing, a, they feel, but, also, what they're going through. >> you've got kate upton. >> right. we just announced kate upton as the face of bobbi. i have to tell you, she is delightful. she's genuine. she's nice. she's happy. she's a woman who, i think, empowers other women by how she's comfortable in her body. she's not a traditional skinny supermodel. she is creating her own destiny by this comfortableness and confidence that she has. >> which we could use. >> we can all use that. >> you told me that you actually read "obsessed." >> yes, i'm obsessed with "obsessed." >> you are? >> yes, a great twitter handle. but when i first read the book, i said i have to meet you. i'm in an industry where women share their insecurities. i feel this. i feel this. and i feel this. and my job is to help them feel

better. guess what? i'm a woman, too. and i have my own images, my own body images. i'm five foot tall. you know? i only dream what it's like to be 5'5". you know? i work out constantly, i eat really healthy, but, you know, on tv, you want to make sure you feel good about yourself, and you are the first celebrity besides jamie lee curtis taking off her clothes in a magazine, it's the real stuff. we are real women, i am sorry. we are all of a certain age. and, you know, we need to be nice to one another and say it's okay. >> i think it starts with an honest conversation about the things that maybe we're vulnerable to. >> and i think it's important. because i think women are so concerned with being, you know, powerful, smart, tough -- >> looking like they've got it all together. >> -- looking like they have it all together. there are times when i am putting my -- >> i don't have it all together. >> she is great. >> yeah, she is nice. >> she actually dm'd me. and i was, like, this couldn't

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things are chugging along. >> tough events on capitol hill. gm -- >> gm has troubles, not only because of the ignition problems but there's been a number of recalls. when somebody says, i like the cobalt, camaro, silverado, but i don't know if i trust gm. >> that's a problem. >> that's what mary barra has to get in front of. >> wasn't that a quick fix? a dollar for the report. >> it was $10 basically. >> total. >> unbelievable. let's bring in jean now. >> "fortune" magazine, you have this article, it's awkward, it's hard. >> it is hard. it's harder to talk about money for most people than it is to talk about sex or politics or health. we actually love to talk about all our health problems. >> yeah. >> but when it comes to money, we don't discuss it with people who are closest to us, and that's a problem. >> our spouses. so what's behind it? what's the solution? >> couple of things behind it. there's a lot of guilt, because we feel like we earn too much or

shame because we feel like we earn too little. if you think about the fact that things are changing in people's households with women more frequently, the bread winners, that gets -- >> i was going to say, how tough is that when women -- and it seems more and more make more than men. and it's one thing, you know, 1950s, men go, "little lady, you need to --" okay. so how tough is it for some women to turn to their man and, "you can't spend the money," and he knows she's the breadwinner? >> it is incredibly tough. brian and i were talking about this before the show. but money in a relationship is power in a relationship. and when you earn more, all of a sudden, you tend to feel like you have the right to make more decisions, which, by the way, for women is a good thing. it has been too long since women have played a equal role -- >> it's a great thing, but in this discussion, though, it makes things harder for some wives, doesn't it?

>> women who earn more than their husbands often feel a sense of -- >> say it. >> -- guilt. >> i was going to say. >> but my wife has a very successful career, and we maintain separate checking accounts, and you and i were talking in the green room, she has access to mine, but i don't have access to hers, for some reason. it's a true story. >> she's really smart. >> yeah, she really is. there is sort of that awkwardness of, well, what were you doing here? what are you doing here? we tend to avoid it, which for a guy from cnbc, is probably an incredibly stupid -- >> it's hard for me to talk about money with my husband, as well. we actually schedule these discussions, because i have trouble talking about these things with him, because sometimes i don't want him to know where i'm spending my money. we maintain separate accounts. we maintain a joint account for the household. but there is some sense -- >> so you're free to spend any way you want to spend and he's free -- >> my money and his money.

>> so you have some autonomy there. >> and that's really, really important. and we both keep money -- more divorced people tend to do it this way. we both came from other marriages. >> right. >> and we maintain a household account that we fund with equal percentages of what we earn to level the playing field. >> that's fascinating. because both of you have separate accounts, and you have some autonomy. sam, do you have separate accounts? >> no, my wife and i -- >> i have separate accounts. >> i never had that. did your parents have separate accounts? >> i haven't asked them. >> my parents, everything was thrown together. >> yeah, we sort of just keep one account and we put everything in there and take everything out. i'm curious, this conversation, we're talking about people with expendable cash. isn't the harder conversation when you are in tough times and you don't want to tell your spouse, we are really in the [ bleep ] -- can i say that on tv? >> you just did. >> we use that on wall street all the time. >> we know what -- >> did we get that?

did we get that? >> it's a technical term. >> did you -- >> well, thomas did invent the flush toilet. i think he was making -- >> here's the thing, we'll figure that out later, the reason you said that, the way you said it, because when it's bad, it's -- >> it's really, really bad. >> isn't that the real tough conversation to have, though? >> when people are having financially tough times, they fight about money more, and the thing they fight most the about is debt. and those are the people who end up getting divorced. and they can't cop to it with their spouses -- >> i wouldn't even see -- i would visualize someone not wanting to be forthcoming. >> yes. >> and that's what causes the tension. >> there's a lot of financial infidelity until you get to the point where the collection calls come. and you can't ignore it anymore. >> i think you're hitting on something really important, and something that the financial crisis, the housing collapse, guys, we haven't talked enough

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