this morning, we had no indication on the record of that examination that there was any sign of likely violence, either to himself or to others. >> and news of the shooting spread quickly at fort hood. one woman said she was with the gunman's wife as the news broke last night. >> i happened to look upstairs, see ethe wife coming outside, hysterical's he liked like she had been crying. i went to console her because i knew her husband was a soldier and i told her everything would be okay. she hasn't heard from him since 3:00. so -- we stayed with her, to make sure she was okay, and -- next thing you know, we hear it on the news, they announced his name and she just breaks down. >> the shootings, of course, brought back vivid memories of 2009 when army major hasan

killed himself before wounding other people. and president obama was in chicago last night. >> obviously, this reopens the pain of what happened in fort hood five years ago. we know these families. we know their incredible service to our country and the sacrifices that they make. obviously our thoughts and prayers are with the entire community, and we are going to do everything we can to make sure that the community at fort hood has what it needs to deal with the current situation, but, so any potential aftermath. and this just in. nbc news obtained a photo of the alleged shooter. ivan antonio lopez. nbc's charles hadlock joins us now from fort hood. charles, just seeing this photograph for the very first time. as i understand, authorities

have spoken with his wife at this point, getting more information on his background and what may have led to that shooting last night. >> reporter: that's right. specialist lopez lived just off the base here in killeen, texas, in an apartment. nbc news went to the apartment today knocked on the door. a woman answered. asked if she was the spouse of mr. lopez, she indicated she was. she said she was tired. had been up all night and wasn't feeling well. a few minutes later, some family members came and took her away from the apartment building. the apartment building itself is full of people who said that they saw mr. lopez only for the last three weeks or so. that's how long they've lived in killeen. they've only been here a short time but said he was a nice man. he smiled and waved whenever they saw him. so it's baffling to them how he could do such a horrible crime here on post. >> and, charles, of course, bafralling how this could happen yet again at fort hood.

just a short time ago as a congressional hearing this morning, army chief of staff ray odierno had a message for the community of fort hood. let me play what they said. >> i understand the resilience of that community. the resilience of the people there. how proud the soldiers are of what they do, and we will do everything we can to ensure they continue to move forward. >> and, charles, we'll talk more about this in a second with our guest that we have lined up, but we know that ing cchanges were at fort hood after the shooting involves nidal hasan, involving concealed weapons and they were supposed to be registered when members of the military were on the base? >> right. that's correct. and that was the case 4 1/2 years ago when major hasan came on base with his own personal weapon. it's not illegal for an army, a member soldier to do that, however, they have to register the gun. that's something hasan did not do and something lopez did not

do in this case. in terms of security, they said the rapid response training that they had after the hasan attack helped them in this case. he was put down very quickly. only after a few minutes police were able to find where this man was and he ended his own life when confronted by military police. >> let me bring in nbc news be pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. jim, talk about what changes were made at fort hood and other bases after this. i was under the impression that the change of having to register the weapon came after the nidal hasan shooting. what were the changes, then, if any? >> reporter: well, there was -- they put in a regulation at fort hood that nobody on base, whether they were a soldier or a civilian, could carry a concealed weapon. but then, if it's concealed, how would you know? because none of these soldiers who go through that gate, tens of thousands go in and out of that post every day.

they are not searched. they don't have to go through a magnetometer. you can only imagine what kind of gridlock that would create, as people are going to and coming from work on a daily basis. and the fact of the matter is, on a military base this size, there are a lot of guns that belong to the army that after they're through with them, they get checked in, after their training, they ket cheget check intoable armory. then, it's a gun culture. let's be frank about that, and you can bet that many of those soldiers on that base have their it own personal weapons. >> and to your point, it's a gun culture in texas. fort hood is where my dad retired from -- >> reporter: not in texas. pretty much in the mail tear. >> absolutely, at the locale, my home state of texas. listen, a gun range near the elementary school where i grew up. not a criticism, that's a fact. combine that into were and back

to special lopez and what we know about his background, that he did serve in a combat role in iraq, he was a truck driver at the tilme. what else have we learned, mik, in those last four months? >> reporter: the last four months of the war, actually. he was one of the truck drivers who drove the last of the u.s. military forces and equipment out of iraq, during the withdraw. according to army secretary john mchugh, there's no indication he served in any combat operation, combat role, no injuries. he has no combat decorations on his record. so there's no indication that he was under any particular combat stress anyway, while in iraq. now, the psychiatrist who met him, met with him just last month, he was being treated for anxiety, depression, sleep deprivation. he reported that there was no

sign that, just last month, that he was prone to any likely violence, or that he had any suicidal ideations at that time. so clearly, he had some kind of mental problem for him to do what he did yesterday, but it was not clearly evident to the psychiatrist that he was seeing there at the base. >> so, mik -- >> over that short period of time he was there. >> what is the protocol? you pointed out, mchugh says he was being treated and at least suffering from depression, anxiety and some sleep disturbance, what is the protocol as far as that information being passed along, not obviously to make the person a target or alienate him, but so that that information, i guess, is handled properly? >> reporter: medical information in the military is kept, is one of the best kept secrets normally, in the military system. and unless he posed some kind of

threat, or raised some kind of red flags to that psychiatrist, that information would be kept between him and his doctor. >> all right. mik, thank you very much. now let me bring in nbc news military analyst and medal of honor recipient for is his actions dur the vietnam war, and also director of the mood disorders program at uh case medical center. doctor, thank you so much for your time. i know that you're currently conducting a study on combat-related ptsd. what we've learned and again, we can now show the photograph that we have of specialist lopez, is that he did not serve in a combat role, no direct involvement in a combat role. can you suffer from ptsd and not be in a direct combat role? he was there for four months, driving a truck. there is some disputed information as to whether or not he sustained any kind of head injury, but is that possible?

>> well, tamron, keep in mind that 85% to 90% of suicides are associated with a prior psychiatric diagnosis. so at the moment, we don't know what that diagnosis is, but it's highly likely that this suicide was associated with at least a major depression and anxiety, and whether or not he has ptsd, were e don't really know. >> we don't know. we know he was being evaluated. can you take us through the process of how that works now and the standards in place to determine that and even how quickly something like that would be evaluated and then concluded? >> well, it's very difficult to do this quickly. folks -- most patients who have these problems don't have one problem. it's very unusual for ptsd to

occur by itself. the things that you consider in situations like this, number one, is depression. and when people experience the symptoms of depression, if it's severe, they do experience feelings of worthlessness or helplessness, and these are the symptoms that lead to suicidal thoughts. in addition to depression, people in this situation typically have something called generalized anxiety, where they have difficulty controlling how much they worry about things, and get excessively anxious about upcoming things. well, what we know -- not infrequently triggers somebody from, who's just thinking morbid thoughts about depression to attempting suicide is the co-occurrence of alcohol abuse or dependence. >> colonel jack, let me bring you into this conversation.

i don't even know the opening question to you. tremendous respect for everything you've done for this country, and your perspective on wars fought when you were in service and these wars that these young men and women are fighting today here. we heard the president say, heartbreaking. how do you process, again, and again at fort hood? >> it's very difficult to do. of course, the two incidents are not directly related, but there are a lot of similarities. and one of them what do do, revolves around the nature of the war we've been fighting for the last decade. i remember years ago when we were fighting, we fought toe to toe with the enemy, and no matter how scared you were, and you were scared you a theal t al you were scared you a theal l t time, you felt you had an impact on what the outcome would be. ether you lived or died in large measure was a function of whether or not you and your buddies performed well, performed properly. are positive e performed the way in which you were trained. in the last decade we've been

tight 2350i9ing in a way they are killed and wounded, killed with implemented devices, no enemy contact. in a situation were no matter what you do, it's irrelevant. you may become a casualty and it's not dependent how good you are as a soldier. i think a lot of soldiers come back from this kind of environment with a feeling of helplessness. especially those who are emotionally fragile to start with. >> we're learning more about specialist lopez, his background and what his records will show here. the fact he was an e-4 struck you. i heard you last night discussing that. this is all being pieced together right now. we're not making any judgment calls or total assessment on his background, but what would that tell you at the point that he's been serving that long? >> it's quite astonishing. somebody who's been nine years in uniform, 34 years old, who is one of the lowest of the enlisted ranks. you'd expect somebody with that kind of experience, that kind of service, that time in uniform, to be at least a sergeant, and

he was not. so i'd be interested to know what his service record looked like, and the disclaimer that he never got into trouble is a little bit bizarre. i'd like to see all the rest of his file. >> regarding what mik said in his report about medical records, obviously, privacy is of great concern to all of us. none of us wants to believe if something happened any individual could go out and access our health records, but here you're looking at the united states army. he was being treated for depression, anxiety. those things may have been low bar. we don't know yet. we know how this ended, though? ed. what are your thoughts, when, as mik said, the military records of military personnel being the best kept secret? >> a great deal of political correctness around personnel files like medical records, and that's been a development only recently. i think an interesting a ing ad

is how he acted amongst peers, in his unit. you know because your father was in the service his entire life, that a military community is a very, very close community. people live together. they work together. except during off-duty hours, which aren't many, by the way, they're never out of each other's sight. it's a bit like a family, and as a result, if somebody is going to be acting strangely, you know about it well before the fact. there's something wrong. you know there's something wrong. >> you think as this day proceeds we are going to hear from other men and women in contact with him and we'll know more about -- >> i'll ooh being shoulded if we don't. >> colonel jack jacobs, thank you so much. dr. calabrese, thank you as well for your information. thank you, sir. president obama blasting republicans challenging democrats on the idea of raising the minimum wage. the president says next week when there's a vote, they can talk the talk or walk the walk.

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congress have a fresh chance to show which side they're on. they're going to get a yes or no vote on raising the minimum wage, all across this country. they've got to make a clear choice. talk the talk about valuing hard working families, or walk the walk, and actually value hard working families. you've got a choice. you can give america the shaft or you can give it a raise. >> joining me now, nbc news it senior political analyst, mark murray. yes, the president turned attention to republicans but a report was out yesterday democrats may be divided as to whether they are going to seek the $10.10 increase the president talked about our strike a deal for an increase to the minimum. wage but not that that point. >> tamron, gone, instructive when there is a vote how people vote, whether democrats or republicans'srepublicans felt they had a little ammunition with the congress' budget office report saying some decrease in

the number of jobs if the minimum wage increased to $10.10 per hour. democrats are arguing, well, given that the same report showed so many millions of americans would also end up getting a very big raise as well. and that is the political dynamic. the polls vary very well and democrats hope this is still an issue that allows them to do well in a political environment that has been very difficult for them, particularly in some red states where the people in arkansas, people in west virginia, people in montana, they might not like the affordable care act, but they might end up liking the minimum wage. that's the bet democrats are trying to make. >> mark, thank you very much. talk more tomorrow. you know, we're following breaking news out of fort hood, texas. up next, ump waing potentially dangerous weather in the midwest. the first significant tornado outbreak of the year is expected later today with some 51 million people at risk. an update. even golf ball-size hail already coming down in kansas. live with the conditions.

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developing now, we are waiting for a news conference regarding yesterday's shooting at fort hood. authorities say iraq war veteran ivan lopez killed three people and wounded 16 others before taking his own life. we're now getting our first picture of specialist lopez. at a news conference we'll get an update on those injured. some 16 people. at last report, 3 were in critical condition. as we wait for that news conference to start, joined by retired arm officer, co-founder and israchairman of vote row ve. you and i talked a lot since your return home and the transition from being in iraq to being back home, having family issues like we all do to face, but also the extra pressure of having been in that -- in war.

when you heard this story last night, and it was again at fort hood, different circumstances. never the less, men and women on that base faced with this question of "why?" again. what did you think? >> the first thing i always think is who do i know at fort hood? you start e-mailing friends from the army. the largest army installation in the world. everyone knows someone either at fort hood or just left there. you think about that and the hard when you hear it's military on military and start going through the process of, why is this happening? it's unfortunate, because we're having a real issue across the are aed forces with issues on military insulations, whether theive in aal facility here in d.c., twice at fort hood. terrorist attacks at fort dix. obviously military installations are not immune to gun violence and a lot of that has to do with the civilian laws in place. >> we don't know right now much about specialist lopez' mental health. we're getting a few more details in. we earn willed from mchugh earlier that he was being

treated for depression. some anxiety. he was being evaluated for ptsd, but that had not been concluded at this time. colonel jack jacobs was on, and he says, the military community is so tight-knit, in his belief, before the end of the day or very soon we will hear from other soldiers who interacted with specialist lopez and who may have seen signs. but certainly not that he would take lives, but that there may have been a problem escalating? >> so ptsd, it's a process of a diagnosis. so i think most likely we'll find out the unit probably did a lot of things right. this soldier was going over to see a behavioral specialist, treated for anxiety, something a lot of troops face, depression, when they come home. readjustment is difficult. we have no the idea what was going on inside his own personal family. how he felt about his time in iraq. i think it's irrelevant the army's releasing the fact he wasn't in combat. a truck driver, in the open

press. they're in a lot of combat -- >> thank you for saying that, john. i have to tell you, people say he was in iraq but not in combat, as if somehow there is, there are two iraqs, and that there's this complete safe zone when you're at war, and that really struck me last night. i have to tell you. >> no the in his job. one of three killed in iraq basically killed on the road. he's a truck driver. in a transportation battalion. just because there's nothing in this file that says he was in combat on this day, maybe he doesn't have a combat action badge but doesn't mean he wasn't shot at. we don't know his service record, but there are ing be ins -- things in the military people have to understand. if the psychiatrist thinks he's not fit to carry a weapon, he won't carry a weapon. we just don't have wellens around a military installation. he was able to go off post where gun control laws are laxed. and then bring it back on to the

post. that entrance point, he's got a military i.d., can go on or off, goes into long fights the chief of the army had specifically last year on our ability in the military to ask our troops if they have weapons, if they're privately on residence, off of post. we have a suicide epidemic. we're sort of always in this process of, yes, you can't bring a weapon on to post unless it's registered. what happens off the post is always a concern, and then moving that on to post has been what's sort of driving two or three of these last incidents we've seen. >> there has to be a balance as well. you cannot aileenate or put people in the military to a different standard? if it is legal to have a weapon, in their home, in their state? >> i don't think anybody's arguing that point. you can have a weapon in your home on a military installation. you just have to, issue it, have to register it with the provost marshal. you heard them say we don't have

concealed weapons but have an obligation to protect our military families and troops. we're having problems and need to look at the entrance points of how a weapon comes from off-post on to post. >> john, thank you so much. i apologize. we're going right now to this news conference taking place at scott & white hospital with an update on the injured. >> dr. davis, our medical director of our trauma services, about specifics. we're also focusing on help for our families, and to help us understand what we're doing for our families, reverend smith is going to be speaking with you today, and also because we understand that there may be some specific questions related to post-traumatic stress disorder, our chairman of the department of psychof psychiatr my right to answer questions about that. also i want to extend a very sincere thank you to the exceptional care team here at scott & white for what they did

last night and what they're doing today. dr. davis? >> thanks, steve. i want to echo some of the comments before i begin addressing the patients status. i think some particular attention needs to be given to darnell hospital over on fort hood. they did an exceptional job stabilizing many of these patients and getting them ready for transfer here. my hat is off to them. their crew can did an exceptional job and i would like to think my colleagues in trauma who worked tirelessly throughout the night along with nursing, i.c.u., et cetera, a well played team effort. in terms of the patients, this morning we do have nine patients here at scott & white. three remain in critical condition. we have five others. two of those are what i would consider fair condition and remainder in good condition. there is a possibility several of them's may actually be discharged from the hospital today. some are fortunate enough to have mineer injuries and will not require further hospitalization or procedures at this time.

the ones who are awake and talking are in good spirits. i've visited with each this morning and their families made it to the bedside. we've been able to contact a and -- we haven't been able to contact all family members for each of the -- contact family members for each of the patients who are here. so that has been a good thing, to be able to accomplish this morning. again, they're in good spirits. we've had some good discussions this morning. at this point that's what i prepared. i'm happy to answer any questions you guys may have. >> can you describe the injuries you're looking at now for the critical patients? >> sure. so our critical patients have specifically, they have some injuries to the neck. we have a potential spine injury. and we also have an abdominal injury. those are the three patients i would still consider in critical condition. >> dr., you mentioned they would have to undergo further surgeries -- [ inaudible ].

>> two patients require further surgery. the third undergoing further diagnostic testing and it's fon definitively clear. the other undergo operations today. one today, one probably tomorrow. >> [ inaudible ]. >> the one patient with an abdominal surgery, we'll freed to go in and make sure bleeding is controlled. had to do resection in the intestine and basically make sure everything is fizz lo physiologic,ened a also work by a specialist to look at injure weinjure -- injuries in the neck. >> are any of the veterans, civilian, mix of civilian, a veterans also? >> my understanding is, they are all current militarmilitary. again, eight males, one female. >> their degree of military

service varies. as young be as 21 and up to the 40s in age. a varying degree in amount of military service there. >> what were the numbers again? ages? >> i believe low 20s to mid-40s. i don't want held to a specific number, but that's what i understand. >> the neck inyou are? y, what's the chance of [ inaudible ]. >> that's not clear. i don't want to put a percentage on that. we've been working through evaluation of that injury with radio l rad radiologic techniques and we'll have more information in the coming days. right now, too early to prognosticate on that. >> and describe the injuries of the folks who may be released today? super a official wounds? >> sure. several were, again, superficial grazing-type injuries that glanced off body cavities, and you know, maybe through the muscle of an arm. we also had some, i mentioned earlier today, shrapnel-type injuries from bullet impacts from structures nearby that

caused mild facial injuries. those are some examples of the patients who may be released later today. >> you mentioned three patients on ventilators? >> correct. >> are they still on ventilators? >> they are currently still on a ventilator, yes. >> doctor, you said by now you've reached all family members. some of them who -- were some of them following news reports and had difficulty getting ahold of their loved ones and thought they might be a victim in this case or surprised and did not expect that phone call from you guys? >> the chaplain might have the more information on that. the one i talked to were previously contacted by the army for the most part. one of the challenges we had, identifying people when they got here, because as you can imagine, they didn't necessarily have their i.d.s on them anymore. evaluated at the army hospital. somepreliminarily. some was removed. the job of coordinating with darnell and understanding

exactly the identity of these folks whenever we got them. >> and it's very important to understand our first and foremost duty is protect the rights of our patients. and so when individuals call in and represent them as family members, we have to verify that in is, indeed, a family member, before we put them in touch with the patient. and that does take some time. again, in the immediateevent, our first and foremost priority is to make sure the best medical care is getting to our patients. we respect the family's needs for information and we do our very best to get that information to them as soon as we can. >> have any of the relatives indicated they might want to talk to the press about this? >> at this time, and based and our experience from 2009, in these kind of circumstances, again, our first and foremost priority is the emotional and physical well-being of our patients. we will be meeting with our patients today, and the family

members, and introducing the concept of speaking with the media. it is only with their permission would we serve as the intermediary and connect them through our media relations office to connect with the media. all right. but, again, please punderstand, this is an emotionally and physically traumatic event and that's, what the patients need to heal from. that's the first priority. but, yes, we understand the need that some of them may wish to speak out, but we will organize that. we've gotten updated information on the people injured in yesterday's shooting at fort hood. right now, 9 patients are being treated at scott amp a& white memorial. all current men and women of the military. 8 men, 1 female ranges in age from early 20s to mid-40s. 3, again, are in critical condition.

we'll continue to monitor this press conference. you heard the doctors expressing the sensitivity that is necessary for the patients, for their families, as this is the second mass shooting at fort hood in five years. so we will continue to monitor the development and give you all the latest information on the injured. of course, those who lost their lives, and the investigation into the specialist, the army specialist who authorities say was responsible for that shooting. we'll be right back. insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know bad news doesn't always travel fast? (clears throat) hi mister tompkins. todd? you're fired. well, gotta run. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more.

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itch inner disaster deck clax for the deadly mudslide near oso, washington. that will free up fema money for residents and businesses. 30 people confirmed dead in that disaster. 20 more are still missing. the faa is looking into a mechanical problem forcing a flight from atlanta to new york to divert from laguardia airport to jfk for a longer runway. it landed safely but came to an abrupt stop in a grassy area off the landing. >> kind of a grating sound. made me serves. >> scary. >> a scary thought, right, to think something might happen on your way down. >> yes, it is. then this from houston. as a light rail train approaches and the gates close, a driver reportedly tries to beat the train. instead the train slams into that jeep. all four people including an adult passenger and two kids taken to the hospital thankfully with minor injuries.

the driver cited for passing a crossing great. unbelievable. making a dream into a reality takes more than a great idea, lots of dedication, and the know-how to get the? ed off the ground. that's where jim cook comes in. 30er yaoe eer years ago. boston beer company, maker of sam adams, and, jim mnow is giving back helping new small business owners get loans through his brewing the american dream program, and mr. cook is with us in studio. thank you so much for joining. >> thank you for having me here a. >> this is phenomenal. we were just talking, yes, you can have a great idea. it can be on paper but you don't have the financial backing or the business know-how, which is also crucial here. how did you come up with this concept or idea? >> the sam add ms brewing the

american dream program came out of my experience starting sam adams in my kitchen 30 years ago. two things i wished i had but didn't. one was access access to loan m. so i had to do this with just friends, relatives and drinking buddies and their drinking money went into sam adams and also good sound nuts and bolts business advice. that's what the sam adams brewing the american dream program provides to very small businesses in food, beverage and hospitality, we make microloans and provide coaching and counseling so they can take the loan, grow their business, create jobs, succeed and pay it back and we can lend it to the next business. >> for those watching and say, yes, jim cook you did it but i can't. i'm not able to turn this idea or get this idea that's been simmering in my brain for a if you years off the ground. what's your first bit of advice to those folks?

>> the first bit of advice is have a great product. because if you're a small business, you're competing with these huge companies that have all kinds of resources. so if you don't have a really better product like sam adams was a better tasting beer, you're not going to make it. >> and the idea behind the program that you have in place, the brewing the american dream is that listen, you want to back businesses that can succeed. you don't want to throw money at? idea that is not going to get off the ground because then when someone comes in, a manor woman with a great idea, there are no funds there. >> that's right. on one hand it's a philanthropic program, that we put money into. but on the other, to the businesses, we want to lend money to businesses that can grow and succeed. and in the almost six years now, a repayment rate from these loans is 98%. we've been able to create or

save almost 2,000 jobs across 300 businesses and give advice and counseling to 4,000 small businesses all across the u.s. >> right now there are 28 million small businesses in the u.s. 60 to 80% of new jobs come from small businesses so the need is there. candidly you told me that you have had a hard time finding some of these businesses to come on board and participate. >> yeah, because if you're running a small business today and we're talking one person, two people, three people, you know, you're just working -- your butt off in that business. you may not have time to watch your show. so for us getting the word out that we are looking for small businesses in food beverage, brewing and hospitality, we have made loans to a dozen other craft brewers to help them get started, that we are looking for qualified applicants for the loans. >> phenomenal. i love this idea.

thank you so much for coming on. i was talking with jim cook and said i'm not a beer drinker but he told me there's chocolate beer. >> of course beer is like food -- >> i'm going to crack open a sam adams with chocolate and cinnamon very soon. >> i'll drink to that. >> cheers. >> time for our "news nation" gut check. mr. cook, listen to this, very strong opinions in an unusual controversy brewing in the world of baseball. it's over daniel murphy's decision to take paternity leave. isn't that a great idea? to support his wife. they had their first child, his name is noah, his wife gave birth on monday which happened to be opening day. under the bargaining agreement murphy is allowed to take three games off for paternity leave. so far he missed only opening day and yesterday's game and expected to be back in the saddle this afternoon. but his absence from the two

games did not sit well with a couple of fellows, particularly new york's sports talk radio hosts, craig carton and boomer and mike who ripped the baseball star for leaving the game to be at his wife's side. >> first things first. >> assuming your wife is fine, assuming the baby is fine, 24 hours, you stay there, baby is good, you have a good support system for the mom and baby, get back to your team and play baseball. that's my take on it. >> i would have said c-section before the season starts i need to be at opening day. i'm sorry. >> i don't know why you need three days off to be honest. you see the birth and get back. i mean, why -- what do you do in the first couple of days? >> well, their comments not only stirred up a debate over paternity leave but sparked b k backlash from many. one person tweeted disgusting if

it was right or wrong for an athlete to be with his newborn. another person writes brew ha ha over paternity leave is insane. dude just had a kid, that is life. baseball is a game. successful businessman, what do you think of this? >> first things first. >> family is first. >> that's the most important thing? how many games is he going to miss when his wife divorces him for not being there. >> business advice, thank you very much. what does your gut tell you? should they apologize murphy and his wife for those out of line comments? let us know what you think. go to newsnation.msnbc.com. this better be 100% they should apologize or else i'm shutting down gut check after today. i'm tamron hall. tomorrow, i'll talk with the mom

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this fort who serve so bravely in combat over the last 13 years in iraq and afghanistan are strong and we will get through this. >> the shooter identified by military officials as 34-year-old ivan lopez being treated for mental health issues. were there warning signs? >> this is an emotionally and physically traumatic event and that's what the patients need to heal from. >> a secret twitter program code named hummingbird or zunzuneo. the problem according to documents obtained by the associated press, it was done under the cover of a humanitarian agency, u.s.aid. >> if they caught up this was a u.s.-backed program, were they put at risk by using this