\ good evening americans. live from new york, welcome to "the ed show." let's get to work. >> united states senator, much of the discussions around volkswagen coming to chattanooga, took place around my dining room table. >> it's no secret at all that, you know, we had an opinion about what should happen there. >> in fact, it was a secret to the public. >> we urge the company to go to secret ballot. >> king accuses senator bob corker of intimidating workers at the plant. >> we're also outraged that the outside interference. >> we had an interest in the outcome of that vote. >> to prove ta republicans were part of a conspiracy. >> the uaw obviously a hit dog.

>> if you care about worker, this is the story that has to be covered. thanks for joinings. remember all the work we did on this program about the uaw and tennessee vote. we're back in the volunteer state tonight. we begin tonight with the bombshell revelation and the uaw's fight to unionize the chattanooga volkswagen plant. remember back in february the workers of the plant narrowly voted against joining the united auto workers. at the time, democrat, along with your favorite host, big eddie, said that the republican intimidation of the workers had a direct impact on the vote. what we expected all along was true. it shows tennessee's governor used taxpayer money to influence the outcome of the vote. documents uncovered by wtf reporter phil williams prove all of this. the documents show that haslem offered volkswagen $300 million in incentives for a new suv

facility. the offer, wait a minute, was contingent on state officials being satisfied with the outcome of the uaw vote. now, does that sound like a level playing field to you? in the past, governor haslem has denied taxpayer money was being offered to influence the vote. but phil williams caught up with the governor on wednesday, no surprise, haslem, well, he's changing his tune. >> were you less than forth coming in your answer? >> no. absolutely -- like i said it's no secret at all that we had an opinion about what should happen there. >> that proposal said these insensitives are contingent upon our satisfaction with the process. >> exactly right. >> you never admitted to that. >> there's nothing to admit to. we've been clear all along that we had an interest in outcome of that vote. never been a secret to volkswagen or anybody else. >> oh, no, it was a skret.

as you can see, the documents are clearly labeled confidential. the government did know about it and he was not hon west the people of tennessee or up front with all the people interviewing him. tennessee taxpayer money was used in an attempt to influence the outcome of a uaw vote. then there's this guy, our old buddy from tennessee, bob corker, says he loves unions. it's documented on "the ed show" that senator corker played a direct role in intimidating workers. remember the senator also came under heavy scrutiny for making this statement days before the vote. he said this -- "i've had conversations today and based on those am assured that should the workers vote against the law uaw that volkswagen will announce in the coming weeks that will manufacture its new suv in chattanooga." sound like there might be some money behind that?

well, how about that. corker never revealed his source. we called him out on it at the time. didn't hear anything. i think it's fair to believe that corker probably spoke to the governor of tennessee or at least somebody in this office. let's not make a mistake here. i think this is a coordinated conspiracy by tennessee republicans to stop the unionization of workers at that plant in tennessee. they don't want anything to do with unions in tennessee. just listen to the republicans in the week leading up to the vote. >> the officers a month ago talking about fighting and combat and all those kind of things. if that's the environment we want, uaw are the people to choose. >> there's no question that if the uaw comes in there it will impact our ability to serve other businesses. >> i believe any additional insensitives from the citizens of the state of tennessee for

expansion or otherwise will have a very tough time passing the tennessee senate. >> can't help with wages. you've got a facility that's the most advanced and environmentally sound facility in the world right here in chattanooga, tennessee. so what's this about? it's about one thing. it's about money and it's about power. >> and it's about elections. and we sure as heck don't want the uaw in the state of tennessee any more than they already are because it's going to be harder to get re-elected. we certainly don't want that hassle. well, tennessee democrats have called for a legislative investigation into haslem's actions, the governor of tennessee. the uaw is considering issuing subpoenas to prove that the tennessee republicans were part of a conspiracy to undermine the union vote. the national labor relations board is also reviewing the uaw's case for a revote at the plant. they should. this should be a slam dunk. if this new bombshell isn't

enough for the nlrb to act on this, i don't even know why they exist. corker is knee deep in this. and it would seem to me that this is behavior outside that of an acting united states senator. our question tonight -- isn't the senate ethics committee in washington somewhat concerned about his antics leading up to this vote? if there's $300 million worth of incentives that are sitting on the table and corker made a statement that he's been assured? i think we ought to investigate and find out what kind of conversations those are all about. and if the senate ethics committee doesn't do that, then i guess it's just have at it on any election in the workplace anywhere in america. this is a standard-bearer. senator boxer, we want to talk to you tomorrow night. you're the chair of the senate ethics committee. are you comfortable with bob corker's actions in this? get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question -- should the

senate ethics committee investigate senator corker's actions in the union vote? text a for yes, b for no at 67662. we'll bring you the results later nonthe show. let me bring in phil williams, chief investigative reporter for wtvf news channel 5 in nashville, tennessee. mr. williams, good to have you on the program tonight. i appreciate your time and excellent work. >> thanks for having me. >> what is the latest in this story from your reporting? >> well, the latest is that as you mentioned house democrats here in the legislature have called for an investigation of the $300 million that was offered up as part of this process. the republican leaders of the general assembly, however, have indicated they have no plans for an investigation and in fact the lieutenant governor has said those calls for an investigation are, quote, silly. >> okay. so you used the word offer.

explain that to us a little bit more. >> well, essentially what we uncovered was a proposal that was given by tennessee governor bill haslem's administration to volkswagen, offering $300 million in incentives to help expand the facility in chattanooga to bring in a new suv line. but that offer had one phrase in it that everything rode on that one phrase. it was contingent upon workers council discussions being resolved to the satisfaction of the state of tennessee. now, the big question is what exactly does that mean? >> did that mean the vote? >> well, we've heard several different things. initially the administration in a very carefully crafted statement said the money was being offered not for the outcome but for satisfaction

with the process. now the administration had made it no secret that they were opposed to to the uaw coming in so a lot of their perceptions of the process is through that lens. the governor has since said just yesterday, has said, well, yes, we were concerned about the outcome, but he sort of shifted the blame to the legislature say ing we've got a lot of members of the legislature who are opposed to giving incentives if the uaw is there so we weren't sure we could get this through. so we've heard, you know, two or more different stories about what that phrase means and i tell you, i cannot give you a definitive conclusion on that. >> okay. based on reporting without commentary, i think someone could draw a parallel between the reporting of the $300 million and the comment of senator corker saying that he had been assured.

and i will let the consume efforts out there watching determine and let them make that connection. but based on your reporting, did the governor's office try to conceal this incentive? >> well, the governor's office certainly never admitted when they were asked directly if incentives were tied to the uaw vote. they never said no it's not tied to the vote but here's what the insensitives are tied to. we never had that sort of transparency in the process. now, it's curious, you mentioned senator corker's comments, we also reported that in the days before the vote was officially announced that the haslem administration withdrew that $300 million incentive offer. senator corker told me that there were concerns about the offer being on the table while the uaw vote was taking place. but it's important to note his

comments about an announcement being imminent is drawn into question by the fact that according to the administration the incentive offer that would have allowed that deal to take place were off the table at the time. so it's hard for me to reconcile those two statements. >> but clearly conflicting statements from the senator in relationship to the timing of the offer as almost as if we might come to the conclusion that a deal might have been struck and that's where more reporting on all of this is certainly going to be needed and that's where i think the senate ethics committee has to come in. thank you for the facts tonight, phil williams. great job report ong that. i appreciate your time. let me bring in united auto workers bob king tonight. how does this ring in your ears? was this a coordinated conspiracy by republicans to stop unionization? >> very, very clear there was an abuse of power, abuse of taxpayer money, to tie incentives to a union vote. what we want for tennessee for the workers at chattanooga, we

want them to get that new suv. we would just encourage the governor, senator corker, do what's right. help the citizens of tennessee, make sure you get the proper incentives on the table so the best financial decision for volkswagen to make is to put that product there. that's what our interest is. >> this new report about the $300 million on the table, does that trouble you at all? is that normal operating procedure before the a vote? >> absolutely not. it troubles me tremendously. it troubles me tremendously to hear politicians trying to tell the second largest corporation in the world tremendously successful, one of the most profitable auto companies year in and year out, and they're trying to tell them how to run their business. i mean, isn't that kind of anti- -- what the republican philosophy and values are supposed to be? that company says that worker involvement is an important part of their success. labor management cooperation is an important part of their success.

and senator corker and senator haslem, do the right things, get the incentives, get the product in there. >> but this report clearly leads us to believe that government officials were just not out of the media talking but they were behind the scenes involved concerned about how this vote was going to go to the point where they would put $300 million, weigh the insensitives in front of a company to make sure a vote would go a certain way. before the vote, corker said that he had information that if the uaw was voted down, new suv production would come to chattanooga. and based on what we know, do you think his source is the governor? >> honestly, you've asked him, a lot of other people have asked him, who was his source? i don't know who his source was. i just know it's wrong for political leaders to try to interfere with workers' rights to decide if they want representation or not. for him to make that statement basically saying if you vote

know you get a new product is wrong. that is in my opinion -- he takes an oath of office to uphold the laws of this land. that was a violation of that oath. he should not have been involved in that election. two weeks before he said as long as there's a secret ballot i'm not going to say anything. then he flipped and reversed himself. >> bob king, do you think that the senate ethics committee has a role here? >> i think that what he did was absolutely wrong and the senate ethics committee -- you know, we filed objections to the election. i think what he did was wrong and it interfered with workers' rights to make a free and open choice whether they wanted representation. >> what does this mean for the national labor relations board? this is unfolding as one of the most unusual aftermaths of a vote that i think i've ever seen. >> it is, but the law says and many, many legal opinions from the nlrb from higher courts say what they want is they want to create an also mere that workers

decide without any threat, intimidation, without other people trying to scare hem or offer benefit or make threats and that clearly was violated with what these political leaders did in that election. >> bob king, good to have you with us. we will follow the story. next up is the national labor relations board, they've got to make a decision on this. it seems pretty clear to me. answer tonight's question there at the bottom of the screen. share your thoughts with us on twitter, @edshow and on facebook. coming up, the fight against the keystone xl pipeline is personal for native americans in south dakota. i visited with the rosebud sioux nation to find out what this battle means and how they plan to make their voices heard. but first sarah palin and paul ryan both get something correct. trernds is next. gunderman group. gunderman group is growing. getting in a groove. growth is gratifying. goal is to grow. gotta get greater growth. growth?

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it is still not seeing the problem. >> ryan would cut medicaid $700 billion. cut a trillion in food stamps and hike taxes on the working poor. >> in what way is that a joke? >> paul ryan reads sarah palin for her budget busting. >> the tea party and sarah palin saying it's not doing enough. >> we have to start reining in the spending. >> this cut mrs. than any other budget i've written. she should look at the details. >> fum. >> probably pretty pleased. >> joining us tonight, wisconsin congressman, good to have you with us. >> thanks. glad to be here. >> sarah palin being critical of paul ryan. paul ryan saying she ought to try some reading. we've heard that before. what is this budget all about? it's the most radical thing we've seen come about, is it not? >> it's a budget i can't wait to talk about what it does. if the republicans keep the house, get the majority in the senate and somehow take the

presidency, this is their wish list, a really scary list. it will cost the economy 3 million jobs. that's like firing every person in the state of wisconsin. it's a bad bill, seniors, students, every bad republican idea. for sarah palin to say what she did i guess even the clock is right twice a day, right? >> more right than the budget is. they're always trying to outdo one another. >> tough with this budget. this budget is so bad. we sat down and did 26 amendments, tried to talk about the provisions of it. it doesn't add up. the one thing people always said is at least paul ryan's a policy walk. he gets rid of the benefits of the affordable care act but keeps all the revenue and the savings. impossible to do that. yet that's $2 trillion of how he balances his budget. good to look at as a roadmap of what they'd do if they got in charge and why we don't want them in charge.

>> that's the key comment because the budget is set nor the next couple years. what's the motivation for throwing this out now? what's ryan thinking? if i'm president, this is what i want? >> he's looking at the ways and means chairmanship, trying to set himself up in that party. when you have that many tea party people you have to be a little wacky to stand out. he's kind of putting something out there that shows a roadmap for republicans in general. but i'll tell you, the real people when they look at that, you don't cut pell grants $200 billion. you don't cut other forms of financial aid for higher education, k to 12 education, highways and infrastructure. you don't do the things that are in this budget because it hurts too many people. >> it hurts everybody across the board except the wealthy. throw in the fact he wants to bring the tax rate down to 25%. that will instantly make him the hero cutting it by 14%. your thoughts on that. >> the only way you can do that is to raise taxes on the middle class. even chairman camp brought it down to about 35%, that top rate. he showed it's impossible to go

down to 25% without hurting the middle clatsz and that's what this will happen. when paul ryan described his budget as a win-win, i agree on that. it's a win for the one percenters and a win for the 7th percentile but 98% of us don't benefit. >> you said you can't wait to go home and talk about this budget. where is home? you and paul ryan basically are ideologically far apart no doubt. but your districts are right next to one another. ryan on the right side of the screen, you're on the left. butting up right against one another. how is he going to get away with this in that part of the state? >> i think paul ryan has this national agenda, like you said. is he running for president, trying to be the ways and means chair. don't think what he says represents people of wisconsin.

we're fair minded, hardworking folks. that budget does not represent the values of the people of wisconsin. >> can he go home and win on that? if this is what he wants? >> he'll have some explaining to do because i'll talk about, this pooerm will talk about this budget. you tell my 85-year-old moth they're somehow we're going to cut social security or voucherize medicare, do some of the things in this budget and, you know, you can't say that to seniors. you can't say you're going to raise the taxes on the middle class so that the top 1% or 2% can get a benefit. he'll have a hard time justifying that back home. i grew up in his district. i know that area well. >> congressman mark pocan, good to have you with us tonight. i just found it very interesting that the districts are right next to each other. two guys ideologically totally different and bingo, he thinks he can take that, go home, and sell that. what is it in the water people can be across the line and be so different? i find it interesting. great to have you with us, congressman. appreciate your time.

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culture. the rosebud sioux reservation is one of the most economically depressed places in the country, but they love it and they want to save it. the people of the sioux tribe are determined to stop a multinational company flooded with cash from coming onto their land. native americans in south dakota are forming a united front against the proposed keystone xl pipeline. they set up a a prayer camp near the town of mission, south dakota, to keep up the pressure against the pipeline. they're planning to take their peaceful statement to washington. >> we're going to have 30 of these tepees in camp on the national mall. to bring that prayer to washington, d.c., to bring our voice to washington, d.c., and to bring your leaders to washington, d.c.

>> this encampment, it means that we're here. it means the people are here, and it means that no matter what anyone thinks or perceives about, you know, what we're doing here, but we've never left. i think that's biggest thing what this means. this encampment means that we've never left. >> you met with attorney general eric holder. thoo yes. >> tell us about that conversation. >> met eric holder two weeks ago. there were six different tribes. we had consultation with him. and we talked about the pipeline. we asked him who was going to protect the nations when it comes to stopping the pipeline. and eric holder says he has to do what the united states, his boss, president obama told him to do and basically we're on our own. he said he he'll get back to me but we know that wouldn't happen. >> rick holder said you're on

your own? >> that's what i took it to mean when he said i'll get back to you. >> so he referred to the president. >> yes. >> and gave you no concrete answer about the pipeline. >> no. >> transcanada says the keystone xl pipeline doesn't cross any reservation or travel trust lands. but the pipeline would cross through the original reservation territory granted in the 1868 treaty of ft. laramie, which included all of south dakota west of the missouri river. >> the 1851 treaty, the 1868 treaty, those treaties -- you know, we still honor and live by them. and yet even the united states government has that, too, even consulting our tribe, they didn't to that. >> when you sign a treaty between two nations, that's the law. and the constitution supports that. and when those things are violated, you know, how can't you feel like you're not being violated? your treaties, the laws you sign

and those treaties say that it's based on integrity. it's based on our commitment as a country. it's based on our bill of rights. then you come and sign it with another country and you engage in those understandings and then you violate those. what's the word? what is your word there? you know, so, yeah, definitely. >> we've never been consulted by transcanada, so there's a violation right there. secretary clinton, when she was the secretary, didn't come out. secretary kerry hasn't come out. the president of the united states hasn't come out. the rosebud sioux tribe is a tribal nation, the sovereignty of tribes predates the u.s. constitution, predates the arrival of europeans on our shores. we are a nation. and we have not been treated as such. >> the environment is a major motivator for the sioux. a state department report released in january said oil

derived from the tar sands in alberta generates about 17% more green house gas e commissions than traditional crude. however, the report also said other methods of transporting the oil including rail, trucks, and barges would release more greenhouse gases than the pipeline. >> we're actually asking our leadership, our congress, our senators to take a real good look at the environmental impact statement that was submitted to the department of the state. there are a lot of flaws in that, and we control them. as a matter of fact, we took some documents to the department of interior and hoping that we -- since we as native people fall under the department of interior, that they would actually do something. >> they have a very specific concern about possible contamination of the water. >> it's a business. we have lakota water and it's pretty lucrative and it keeps people employed. you know, when you start putting that at risk and on top of it the water in those areas,

specifically not feed members and nonmembers, you know, like we said on our campaign deal against this thing, it's not an indian thing, it's not a white thing, it's everybody's issue. so i like to help out any way i can. >> for one thing, they're going to ruin earth. second, water. this -- this pipeline is coming up from the northern tip of the oglala aquifer. we're drinking that water right now. it's coming along some river tributaries that go into the missouri river and our people are drinking that missouri river water right now. i mean, the oglala, they fought for years to get water out to the reservation and they're finally getting it and now they're trying to build a pipeline through these rivers. ♪

>> what has not been addressed in any study or report are the concerns of safety and security in the area if the pipeline is approved. >> we've been to a couple city council and county commissioner meetings, and it's -- we raise the issue of the man count and one of -- you know, we don't have jurisdiction over the nontribal people and they can't come onto our allotment lands, and so one of the townspeople said, well, if it's dangerous, don't you think you should have a police officer there? from a threat that doesn't even come from within our community. we've seen the statistics in north dakota with increased domestic violence and sexual assaults. >> what would it mean if the president said no to this? >> when president obama was campaigning in 2008, he came to sioux fall, south dakota, and he met with a number of tribal

leaders. and at that meeting he was given a name, and that man means the man who helps the people. and so he would be living up to his name and to the destiny that we hope he will fulfill. not just sioux people but everyone in the united states and throughout the world. >> that's pretty amazing. do you think he remembers that? >> i do. and we hope that he remembers the commitment that he made, the support that american indians throughout the country showed him. and that he does the right thing not only for us but for all americans. >> the sioux nation will set up camp in washington, d.c., late thermo. we'll have more coverage on that. the sioux nation calls president obama the man who helps the people. and they hope he remembers that. still ahead, glenn beck throws a hissy fit over obamacare numbers. pretenders is next. stick around. [ male announcer ] legalzoom has helped start over 1 million businesses.

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free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. they engage in character assassination. i should know as the almost daily of their daily attacks. such tactics are the antithesis of what is required for a free society and telltale sign that the collectivists do not have good answers." to charles koch, a free society is where he and his brother can have a disproportionate affect on our election process. in charles koch's free society, he can pour millions of dollars into right wing front groupses like americans for prosperity. so far afp has mired than two times the number of spots as the senate majority pac. and more than two times the total number of spots as house

majority pac. overall, americans for prosperity has aired more than 17,000 broadcast tv commercials, compared with only 2100 aired by republican party groups. koch needs to spend more money and get a thick erskine, don't you think? but mr. koch, i would love to go face-to-face with you. i would go wherever you want me to go to do a sitdown interview and talk about the society you want. i won't dunn you. straight questions. harry reid, one of the biggest koch critics throughout is now the target of a american for prosperity attack ad. the difference is he is not whining about it. >> so it should be no surprise that these multimillionaire, billionaire really, really, really rich, fifth richest people in the world decide what we'll do is try to frighten. mr. president, there have been times in my life when have i

been a little afraid. but i'm not afraid of them. >> joining me now, brian schweitzer, former governor of montana and an msnbc contributor. governor, good to have you with us tonight. what do you make of harry reid's, you know, talk on the senate floor about the influence he believes the kochs are having in our elect process? >> first, let me say harry reid is tough as a $2 steak. harry reid was a boxer. and not just a boxer, but he was a 120-pound boxer. that means in a match you knock the other guy down three times and he knocks you down four times. so if you want to fight with harry reid, you be be prepared to take a punch because he'll swing back. what i thought was interesting about this op-ed in "the wall street journal" is that charles koch invoked the name of thomas jefferson, as if he was in sync with the values of thomas jefferson. maybe he doesn't remember that thomas jefferson wrote the declaration of independence. he said that we will be a free

people, and we're not going to allow a king to tell us what we shall do and when we shall do it. now apparently king koch is in solidarity with thomas jefferson? i think he is not reading history correctly. >> what about his comment, he talks about free and open debate. what about yesterday's supreme court ruling on campaign finance? is that free and open debate, or is that a rich guy has bought so much, the only thing he can buy now is his government? >> effectively what that supreme court decision said is there can no longer be caps on what an individual can give. so let's just say it's about $50,000 per individual that they were allowed to give in the congressional campaigns and presidential campaigns. so during a two-year period, all of those national elections that you give in, you can only give 50,000 and you could only give political parties 80,000. well, this decision just follows citizens united.

it was the next logical step, which is to say you can give any amount of anybody to anybody you want. if you are the richest in america, you can buy as many ads as you want. you can tell as many lies as you want on television and elsewhere, and no one is going to stop you this. is outrageous. and by the way, the lobbyists are already complaining, because they used to be able to say look, i'm already tapped out. i've done my 50,000. so they're being chased and they've been hoarding that money. now they're being chased all washington, d.c. and saying to them, look, there is no longer a cap. you can give me another $50,000. where does this all end, ed? >> in your state of montana, you try to challenge citizens united which allows billionaires like the kochs to have more influence in our political system. what is next? >> well, look, here in montana we know because we had the copper kings. in 1900, we had the two richest people on the planet, one of them, w.a. clark, bought his way to the united states senate. he spent as much as $700,000 in inflation adjusted dollars to

buy those votes from legislators here in montana. you know, we didn't used to directly elect our senators. so he paid, and he was proud of it. he had bribed all of these state legislators in montana. when we sent this senator to washington, d.c., those senators in washington, d.c. refused to seat him. they said you can't open ply bribe people. you know, we've all bribed ourselves a little bit in here. but my god, you're making us all look like crooks. mark twain said about william a. clark, he is the biggest scoundrel in the history of the united states senate, and that's saying something. >> w.a. clark was a man ahead of his time. >> we're actually spending more money than the copper kings spent. >> we are. >> montana went first. we passed by citizen initiative because our state legislature wasn't going to pass it because they were bought and paid for. by citizen initiative we were the first state in 1912 to have maximum limits. and now citizens united has told us in montana that we need to be bought by the copper kings and

the kochs of the world. i don't agree. and until we get this big money out of politics, we are a democracy for sale to the highest bidder. >> so, this of course set the table for guys like brian schweitzer and jon tester who don't come from money, regular guys out there, regular folks to be able to be in public service which i think is terribly important. give me your 30-second take on 7.1 million and the conservative outrage takes place at their claim to be phony numbers. >> well, to start with, that's what kathleen sebelius said was the target. so now they got to the target, even with the disastrous roll-out in the early days. and now, well, they're shifting the discussion. they're saying how many of them actually paid the premium? well, i don't know. the insurance companies are saying i don't know, 80, 85%. that's what is normal. every one of these premiums are calculated in a different way. some of them you pay quarterly. some of you pay monthly. some of them aren't even due to

be paid until end of the first quarter. they're going to say whatever it is. >> they're on the wrong side of history, and they're scrambling for talking points at this point. brian schweitzer, great to have you with us on "the ed show." that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, gop freak-out. millions of americans are getting ensured under the president's health care law and the right can't handle it. today house republicans voted for the 55th time to attack the affordable care act. that's right, 55 votes to undermine this law. and they trotted out some bizarre talking points to justify today's vote. >> obamacare itself, which is a fraud against the american people, calling the affordable care act the affordable care act is not true. george washington could not utter these wo