carrie, lena dun ham. what about craig ferguson? he's in the running. a few people are saying that as well. >> it odd that everybody is looking beyond to see who potentially might take over? we will all wait and see but we love david letterman. congratulations on a wonderful career to him. thanks, gang. happy friday. "way too early" is over. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ i phoned him just before the program and i said, leslie, you've been great, the network has been great but i'm retiring. >> you actually did this? >> yes, i did. >> wow. thank you very much. what this means now is that paul and i can be married.

>> good morning, everyone! >> wow. >> going out the way you came in. >> exactly. oh, my goodness. it's friday, april 4th. can you believe this? >> no. >> with us on set, we have washington anchor for bbc world news america katty kay. you get a free webinar. >> webbinar. >> clean out your ears. >> it's the confidence. >> stop that right now. >> what is a webinar? >> it's actually really useful especially if you're a woman. >> a lecture. people can ask questions. >> only if you preorder. >> i will. >> it's questions too. it's interacting. >> amen. >> it's not a weapon. >> i'll take a shot. >> on we also have the president and the ceo of politico in capital new york p.m. power. >> in washington, former

chairman of the republican national committee michael steele. i was telling a friend last week one of the great -- you look back. you don't know what you have, as joni mitchell said, you know? you don't know what you've got until it's gone. i was thinking back about how in entertainment, one of the, i think, mirvels of gant was for an entire generation, they had johnny carson every night. here's a guy if he did a show one night a week, it would have been just a remarkable gift. but that he did fa fthat for asg as he did which is absolutely stunning. you have to put david letterman who was carson's hero in the same category. the fact we have had him as long as we have had him. i see you smile. i'm completely sincere.

this is -- i mean, i put him right up there in sports entertainment goes with like the beatles. >> i'm not laughing. i totally agree with you. absolutely. >> he has shaped our lives and our comedy culture like nobody. >> oh, my gosh. remember, i'm trying to think. i've never been more nervous in my life because he is so funny and to go on the show, you've got to be ready. but only one more year, i guess. david letterman stunned his studio audience and a lot of people around the country when he announced his run on late night tv is coming to an end. >> some time in the not too distant future, 2015, for the love of god, paul and i will be wrapping things up and taking a hike. thank you. thanks to everybody. >> when he completes his run, david letterman will be officially the longest serving host in late night tv history. it all started so long ago when

he was just 19 years old making $150 a week as a weatherman and a booth announcer. >> i was just laughing because they showed that picture of bill murray. i remember bill murray was his first guest. he just said i'm going to make your life a living hell, letterman! then david couldn't keep it together. it was funny. >> his stand-up comedy landed his own late night show in nbc. he was working in the shadows of johnny carson, the great. then they gave johnny's throne to jay leno which had letterman jump to rival cbs and there was this huge late night rivalry. >> why don't i just start off with a question here. just -- just how pissed off are you? a friend of yours is taking over here next may and. >> i'm sorry.

what did you say? >> i said -- >> oh, my gosh. >> letterman wasn't the only one pissed off at that. carson absolutely loved david letterman. >> yeah. i didn't get it. >> the feeling was mutual. >> but letterman did just fine. he carved out his own niche and sometimes very biting and very cookie and, of course, the top ten lists. >> number nine. >> what is up, gangsters? it's the -- it's the m.i. double tisle. >> number 5. confused stare. >> number three. oh, look at. this. no not only three. stolen by o.j.! >> the number one side president obama is overconfident been cruising with chicks with john edwards. >> oh, lord. there were controversies along the way. all of the tabloid reports and

attempted blackmail by a producer. i think one of the biggest moment on the darker side of things when he was forced to apologize for comments about sarah palin's daughter but he did it his. >> one awkward moment for sarah palin during the seventh inning her daughter was knocked up by alex rodriguez. am i guilty of poor taste? yes. did i suggest that it was okay for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? no. >> willie? you can't even put it in words what david letterman has meant to comedy and what he has meant to late night. >> as you try to measure it, a good way to do it watch the reaction yesterday of comedians. jimmy kimmel, jon stewart and all of these guys is an entire

generation of comedians who looked up to him as the guy they did not only think he was funny, they thought his way of viewing the world was the way they wanted to look at the world. he was absurd and ironic and he had no patience for the medium of tv. i argue on this show you tear down the wall and he laugh at the conventions of television a little bit. he started that on network television. there is an interview online people should go watch on youtube where paris hilton was on five or six years ago and she came out to talk about her movie and fragrance line and all he did was eight minutes talking to her about being in prison, what was the food like? and she was steamy and furious and giving one word answers and said i have moved past that and david say, oh, well, i haven't. and somebody in the crowd

shouted out i love you, paris. she said, i love you too. he said somebody you met in prison? he didn't want to talk about her movie or perfume line. >> he didn't play the game. i'm sure, you know, we were like everybody influenced by him. one of the things we did in the very beginning of the show is following up on what you said is whenever people would come on, where do i look? what camera do i look at? he said you don't look at camera. we don't play tv here. the wrong thing you can do on this show is play tv. david letterman tore dow jones industrial average the wall and the facade. >> jerry seinfeld was quoted saying letterman is the only one who succeeded at changing the format. acknowledging the fact yes, there are cue cards over there and, yes, we rehearse this. he tore down that wall and didn't do the forced bell humor and that kind of thing.

he acknowledged what he was doing was humorous and some of the jokes he landed was by the way he reacted. >> a lot of times the jokes were just really bad. i would sit there and be laughing just as hard if they were really good. where did he learn that from? the only other guy that was phenomenal with jokes that missed. and that is johnny carson who was actually even funnier when the jokes didn't hit. >> he had the ability to turn the joke on himself. >> right. >> to be like that. but i can see why you were scared going on the show, because he also had this ability to put people in the hot seat and not let them off. you know how television is an x-ray. you do see what people's nature is and he was prepared to push them and if you couldn't respond to it with the same kind of humor and go with him with it, you came out -- >> look at the picture of mika. >> i love that. >> mika said what was it like when she was growing up.

she said one big event was we had -- for dinner and david letterman responded saying, i bet that was delicious. >> you know, i was obsessed all day sweating, sweating, sweating. i was so nervous. i got out there. i was so nervous. i've never been more nervous in someone's presence and he just asked me something about crazy childhood stories and i blurted out the most inappropriate thing about seeing jimmy carter in a speedo or something. all nerves. all nerves just pouring out. there is something about his presence and you know when you meet somebody that funny you know they are that smart and can do whatever they want. it's interesting. >> you can't try and be funny back. >> no! you survive it. that's all! >> i want to ask you really quickly a lot of british humor that americans don't get. do brits get david letterman? >> yes. jon stewart, for example, huge

in the uk. letterman, huge similarly. i think it's that biting quality. british humor is often a bit darker and bit more cynical. >> serbic, yeah. >> i think letterman has that because he was popular in the uk the way jon stewart is now popular. every kid i know watches jon stewart. >> one of the fascinating things about him too was it was a generational shift. i remember my parents, i remember my parents friends. even ten years after he was on, i remember older people saying, i'm sure you heard this, willie, people that you loved and you respect you go, looking at david letterman going, i don't get it. why is that funny? you would try to explain why it was funny. again, it was a revolution and everything that followed and jerry seinfeld would say it and all of the comedians would say it. everything that followed was shaped by david letterman just like all of the music that

followed february 1964, america was shaped by the beatles. and a big part of that was it was such a shift that older americans, most older americans just didn't get it. >> yeah. my dad got it. i don't think his parents would have got it. my dad was a midwestern guy and dave was the guy in our house. he remains that. one other thing i would point to is his response after 9/11. just go watch that. no script. no monologue. if you watch it right now you'll cry again and get chills again. yes, the news did a good job of it but dave letterman in that moment was as big as anybody in this country responding to september 11th. >> he did the same thing after newtown. he had that moment of dropping the veil of irony and being very serious and speaking directly to the people about that. let's get to other news of the morning. majority leader harry reid doubling down of his criticism

of the koch brothers who he recently described as un-american and today's l.a. times reports he noble the only one taking contain. accusing the koch's of masterminding for funneling dark money all over the country. senator mark begich. >> the billionaire koch brothers. >> just running it into the ground. >> leaving a mess. >> a lot of alaskans are losing jobs and i'm concerned about the drinking water. >> i don't go down and tell them what to do. >> charles koch responded to the criticism in a recent journal op-ed where he described the democrats attacks as character assassination. senator reid didn't seem the least bit bothered. >> most here say the koch brothers. i've made them a little more infamous and i'm glad i done that. they are rigging our political

system and who does it help? them. by every indication, our republican colleagues are falling all over themselves to help advance their self-described radical -- already we have had one senator run to the center of the floor and he read word for word that op-ed piece on the floor. >> it's passing. it's really embarrassing. jim vandehei, i mean, my opinion is, i've said it clearly, that harry reid, what he is doing is beneath the dignity of the office you he is hold. he is lying about them. he is putting lies on his website that the white house itself discredited four years ago. harry reid still has on his website today that the koch brothers may not pay corporate taxes. that was a lie that was debunked four years ago and he is still pushing that lie today.

then you got the stier brothers who are giving, what, 100 million this next year? and when you guys went to one of the stier brothers and compared them to the koch brothers, they said we take that as a compliment because, yes, we are going to do the same thing on the left. why do democrats think they can connect with middle america by engaging in mccarthy tactics and calling somebody un-american and lying about them not paying corporate taxes? i want to make this bigger about harry reid too. we remember harry reid lied during the presidential campaign and said that mitt romney hadn't paid taxes in ten years. and i'm just -- are there no democrats that are backing off of this man in the united states senate? why? >> why is harry reid doing this?

he has every political incentive to do it. the koch brothers are basically as big as a party. he knows if he can do anything to discourage that type of activity he can help his party. more importantly, it's basically a siren. come on guys on the left and women on the left, you have to pony up that kind of money to go after the koch brothers. he is trying to rally his party because they are worried about the election consequences of this. they know that the koch brothers are spending so much money in places like north carolina and some of these obscure races that nobody is paying attention to it's having an apreshable effect on the outcome of those race. they are extremely effective in what they are doing. >> let me go off the record. have any democrats been concerned about the, quote, un-american comments, which is, again, pure mccarthyism. we had chuck schumer on and he did not want to embrace that term but, off the record, are some of them concerned about

these mccarthy-like tactics that are, quote, un-americanism? >> harry reid is like dirty harry and he is the one person says in sharp terms they all wish they could say but never could in public. he wishes he could cross that line when he makes terms like un-american they wish he would keep it more focus but they appreciate the that is taking the lead in the fight against the koch brothers. koch brothers are the candidate. they are the campaign. and when they make a difference, of course, harry reid is going to get on the floor and lambast them. i think a huge danger they are making this whole campaign about one man who, yes, they spend a lot of money. the thing he says is true is he is orchestrating a large campaign of complex organizations to pump maybe through maybe 10 or 15 different places to affect politics. guess what? it's legal. also guess what? lots on the left are doing it.

they are doing it bigger and better than anybody on the left right now. a couple of years ago the left was doing it substantially better which is why the koch brothers stepped in and are doing what conservatives could not be happy they are doing. >> okay. >> katty. >> and then michael, go ahead. >> i'm sorry, yeah, michael, jump on in. >> i have to agree with that completely. the reality is the earth has moved and the koch brothers are the ones moving it. politically going into this year the democrats knew they had an uphill climb politically and now they have one financially. reality of it is harry reid is the guy with the torch leading the path for a lot of democrats telling them to come this way and a lot of forces are a little bit nervous about it but they do appreciate it because it rallies the base and helps generate a little bit of cash and harry reid can sit back and put the lies on the website and say crazy stuff from the senate floor with the level of impunity he believes he has, but at the end of the day, the koch brothers beat back with just

more money. >> i'm just -- i guess my biggest surprise it's the majority leader of the senate that is doing this. this is a position, obviously, guys like bob dole used to hold, from maine, the senator prosecute maine. >> he does seem very feisty and personal like there is a level of hatred there. >> hangering off the time where the civility we have seen it almost completely disappear, haven't we? it's gone. it's gone at the top too. >> i felt weird watching that. >> so shrill in his language about an individual. >> i mean, i can't -- does anybody around here name -- give us a parallel of another u.s. senate majority leader acted this way and been this slhrill

and use mccarthy terms like un-american. he is one of those you stay away from because they would embarrass pyou. if one spread lie that mitt romney didn't pay taxes for ten years and got busted mud would be all over him and he people would say stay away because he is the one who spread that romney lie and now the lie about the koch brothers that the white house distanced themselves from four years ago from harry reid they didn't pay taxes and he has it still on his website. >> there is no -- >> in the house, senate majority leader. >> i can't think of anyone in the senate. >> jim, i was wondering whether when do we start seeing whether his rallying cry against the koch brothers is actually proving effective on the left in getting people to pony up to counter it? >> i think it's absolutely effective.

they are very scared what the koch brothers are doing. >> the money is coming in as a result of what harry reid is doing? >> right. >> let's be honest about the modern campaign system. you have to pony up. people are making a big deal about last court decision and now these guys can give 2600 bucks to whoever they want. you want to buy influence? spend $400 million is what the koch brothers are doing and what the left has to do. they have to get a bunch of other people to pony up that kind of money and i do think harry reid being out there showing he has fight has an effect. i'm not endorsing that strategy. i'm saying it's a political tactic. >> you have to frighten your own party. we saw this in 2012 frighten your own party to making them realize the other side has a ton of money and pony up too, otherwise, you will be outspent. >> i'm not surprised that not that this happens. this is a position held by george mitchell, right? >> uh-huh. >> by george mitchell.

by robert dole. by men who fought hard but maintained some dignity. and i just find it hard to believe that -- this isn't ideological. i've long said chuck schumer would be a great majority leader for the democratic party and he is liberal and attacked the koch brothers and it's not ideological. the mccarthy language, the un-american language. >> i would find myself agreeing more with him if he would find a different way of bringing it to the table. i don't know. >> just surprised that democrats -- i've talked a lot over the four years how the republican party doesn't call out extremism on their side. >> i agree with you. >> i attacked mitt romney for not calling out extremism on his side. i'm just shocked that there is not a democratic senator out there that is concerned when somebody waves mccarthy language like un-american out there or

has a lie that the white house itself discredited four years ago and still on his senate website. is there not one democrat in the united states senate that is embarrassed by this type of behavior? >> are you asking me? i definitely think there probably all a little embarrassed this morning. i kind of kringed when i saw the sound bite. would you agree? i state my views so i will say as a democrat, i cringed watch it. i still probably agree with a lot of the content. joe and i would disagree on certain angles of the story but we have missed the story and we have talked about the approach for ten minutes. that's not constructive. i knew the minute i saw harry reid speaking that way that we would spend a lot of time talking about tone and destructive tone. >> a more recent example. tom daschle would never have done that. >> tom daschle would never have done that! trent law and tom daschle would never have done that. >> once you have the body

becoming less collegial and less civilized eventually you'll get the leadership behaving the way. a senate totally bitter and political and partisan as this one is if the leadership stayed above the fray. >> yeah. >> it's sort of an inevitable concept in the trend in american politics. >> i'm glad you brought tom daschle up. i love tom daschle personally. we have had him on the show. i wish barack obama would have named him chief of staff. . but he and trent lott would tear each other up but they would be friends at the end of it. >> that doesn't exist any more. i want to get to hillary clinton news of yesterday as well. coming up on "morning joe," we have british foreign secretary david milband and jeremy wade

and billy crudup and john podhoretz. a severe weather outbreak in parts of the midwest and the south and bill karins is here with the latest. >> we had eight reports of tornadoes come in yesterday. not exactly a huge tornado outbreak but damage was done. thankfully no reports of any fatalities the last 24 hours. st. louis first hit 24 hours ago. a tornado went through the north side of town what we call an ef-1 tornado. wasn't a hugest of tornadoes. last night a strong storm exit the dallas area and a tornado near denton, texas, that is where it was really scary. we missed a lot of the homes there thankfully. that is the big highlights from last night. this morning, we are still watching a strong line of storms. if you're in huntsville or birmingham, alabama, 45 minutes from now the strong line of storms come through your regions. not talking tornadoes but wind

damage is the biggest threat. as far as the afternoon goes, this line will continue to push to the east, ooeveeventually to atlanta. late more thanning to mid-morning your region with definitely airport delays. also near knoxville and tuscaloosa and jackson, mississippi, storms with wind damage. not fun in minneapolis. reports as much as 10 inches of snow. they have had thundersnow. literally a thunderstorm with snow instead of rain over the last hour. here's a picture of it. we have school cancellations the first week of april and track to wisconsin later today. thankfully the weekend looks better in minneapolis. today's forecast rainy and dreary from new york city to boston. i know they are supposed to get the world series rings in boston at fenway today. hopefully, the weather will hang on. 44 and only the high temperature, though. over the weekend that storm exists. a pretty decent weekend. the only problem down along the

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store major nidal hassan bought is there. the washington mudd slide at 30 as recovery efforts continue. a new report find state officials actually considered buying the homes in that region from their owners because of the mudslide threat. instead they decide to do stabilize the threat that was the biggest step to safety, the same one that collapsed. dan coats was mixed up yesterday when he asked a question about the pentagon's budget. >> what is it you're trying to accomplish and what is some of the consequences that have going to be to the current defast systems and location personnel, et cetera? >> under secretary comb, i just

wanted to -- >> i just got a net saying i'm at the wrong hearing. >> oh, okay. this is what? i got the right room number. but the wrong hearing. >> that would explain why i didn't know anything about this letter. >> it's the first time this has ever happened to me, but i hope it's not a precursor. >> you're always welcome in our committee. >> well, thank you. i saw some familiar faces. i'll let you off the hook on this one. >> thank you, senator. >> all right. >> i hope you're able to respond as quickly as the undersecretary of the army responded. i'll go try to find out where i'm supposed to be. thank you. >> after realizing his mistake senator coats left the hearing and found out he was supposed to be in a hearing down the hall scheduled for an hour later. what do you think of that? >> i'm trying to think of the people who worked for you. rachel. there is not one person i can think of who would make you show up at the wrong hearing. you, yourself would show up at

the wrong hearing but your staff would never let you ever. >> if i even showed up. but no. that is a good point, though. you got to wonder about his staff. >> who works for him? i feel so badly for him. he looks like a really nice guy and his staff has him show up at the wrong hearing? really? do you know how busy these people are? they are here to here and your team is supposed to get you in the right place at the right time and an hour early and in the wrong room? >> we are laughing here but at the beginning of the day you're giving a long card and it has your life is cut up in 5, 10, 15-minute increments. you're flying around. in committee hearing you're doing paper work for another thing, dah, dah, dah. the big question -- >> i remember when i was 16 years old, i couldn't mess up that bad if i tried. >> the question, jim is -- >> we had a card. >> she brings up a great point. the question is how did the staff allow him to sit in the

wrong hearing for an hour. >> an hour. >> an even as a lowly congressman instead of a senator, there was always somebody around. if i had been in the wrong place for five minutes they would have come and pulled me out and gone, really? >> i showed up on fox&friends earlier before coming over here. >> were you? what was your first hint? >> mike allen is fired. >> you were great. >> it's terrible. >> it's a great point. >> why are you letting him off the hook? he was there for an hour! >> i am letting him off the hook. >> how come the other senators didn't notice? >> because you know why? the guy looks stupid and he is not. these men and women on capitol hill go rushing from thing to thing to thing. they are on phones, they are on blackberries and incoming constantly all day. your staff gets you to where you're supposed to be and while you're where you're supposed to be you're doing ten other

things. that poor man was completely screwed by his staff and looked stupid. >> it looks like he has an entire staff of t.j.'s. we have like one t.j. >> you just need one of me. that's it! >> how does that happen? sir, you're at the wrong meeting. let me slip you a note? >> five minutes is one thing but an hour some i'm in the sure it's entirely the staff. i have to say it does make you wonder how much senators are concentrating on the content of their hearing unless he thought -- >> go ahead. >> can i answer that question for you? very, very little. because when they go in, there is one or two bits of information that they need and if you've ever had to sit to other -- sit and listen to other politicians ask boring stupid questions at a committee hearing for two or three hours. >> john mccain, remember he was playing a game? >> you would learn it makes sense to tune out and work on things back in your district. >> you have to. >> or in something that is going to help your constituents while

they are rambling on about something that helps their constituents. >> why don't we use this to change the reputation of congress? you are randomly put in front of a congressional committee not knowing the topic. >> pop quiz. >> let's get michael steele really quickly. whose fault? the senator's or the staff? >> this is the total staff. and without hesitation. funny part, joe, you know this, you've already mentioned it. you typically have at least one staff or you know senators do. you see the staffers sitting behind the senator in the hearings. the question is where is this staffer who is typically with him going from meeting-to-meeting? this was a ball dropped by the staff, particularly for an hour. crazy. the senator was embarrassed. he played it off as nicely as he could but at the end of the day his staff needs a kick in the boutotti. >> how about he is leaving

through his own papers and nobody prepping for these questions. when senator coats says i'm in the wrong hearing, thank god! i have no idea what you were talking about! jim, we were going to do politico but you talk too much! >> story of my life. >> guys, i want to apologize for jim. >> thank you, willie. coming up, the winless mets have a number of problems to address on the field but not what had the world of sports talking yesterday. how second baseman daniel murphy's paternity leave is bringing out the worst in new york sports media! "morning joe" sports is next. ♪ ♪ [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. ♪ she can print amazing things, right from her computer. [ whirring ] [ train whistle blows ] she makes trains that are friends with trees.

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♪ we are about four days into the baseball season and there is drama surrounding the new york mets. not because they have started 0-3 being swept in their opening series at home by the nats. that is normal. this has to do with their second baseman daniel murphy. on monday his wife gave birth to a healthy baby boy an hour before the home opener in citifield. murphy missed the game to be as his wife's bed side. the game was thursday for the mets but he missed that game well and decided to be with his family. that decision, although not seeming to bother his teammates did not sit well with new york's sports media. >> i was i need to be at opening

day. i need a c-section before the opening starts. this is what makes our money and how we live our life and this is going to give my child every opportunity to be a success in life. i'll be able to afford any college i want to send my kid to because i'm a baseball player. >> assuming everything goes right, mom is healthy and baby is healthy. >> no complications. goat your ass back to work. >> i don't know why you need three days off. i'm going to be honest. you see the birth. you get back. i mean, what? what are you doing the first couple of days? your wife doesn't need your help the first couple of days you know that. you're not doing much with the first couple of days with the baby just born. one day, go see the baby be born and come back. you're a emergency league baseball player. you can hire a nanny to help the wife. >> they are joking! or they are cave men. >> murphy was back in the lineup for last night's game so he missed two games to be with his

wife. >> the media is joking. i don't take those stupid men seriously. they are like making radio. okay, sure. she should go have the baby and i'll be scratching myself. i don't need to be there for her. we are going to fall for it and have a conversation? let's go to break. >> i don't think so. >> come on! nobody would be that stupid to say those things. >> i bet you the fans did not feel the same way. >> really? >> i cannot believe anyone who has had a child or whose wife has had a child is going to be sitting there thinking he should have been there and his wife, by the way, had a c-section so the idea she was up and about and running around the house with this tiny baby three days after the baby was born is a fallacy. >> i bet there were some guys in the locker room and i bet there's some people in baseball who probably agreed with mike francesca and boomer esiason.

>> francesa has three kids. boomer has been in locker rooms, right? and i totally disagree with everything they say. >> i had a baby. >> but, but, that said, some people in the sports world and in the locker room would say, first day we understand. second day? stay with your wife in the morning. that's great. get in your chauffeured limousine and drive out and play baseball and drive back to your wife in your chauffeured limousine. you make so much money for playing 162 games a year. you pay some people to help out for those six hours. >> out of 162? >> don't tell me to stop. >> please. >> mika. i know you. if you were manager of the team, you would be pissed off the at this guy and say, listen. we are paying you a lot of money. you go be with your wife and you

be with your wife but we just need you for three or four hours today. >> really? >> yes. >> this is a controversy. >> you know what? i'll tell you what we are going to do. we are going to go to break and i'm going to turn to mika and tell her a story that may make her -- may refresh her recollection on a former employee we once had. coming up, from a nuclear iran to the continued unrest in egypt and syria, there is no -- there is no shortage -- you know what i'm talking about! >> he didn't take three months off! >> no. he took three days off and you're accusing him of not being a man! we will be right back on "morning joe"! yousef! [ male announcer ] first the cookie at check-in...

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>> no, you didn't. >> should i pick up the phone and call him? >> why are you trying to beat me? >> oh! >> wait! >> oh, look at that! we caught her on tape! like perry mason. did you hear that voice? >> here is the point! here is the point. >> did you hear that voice? >> willie! the boy who took a day off for the game, what is his name? >> daniel murphy. >> he did he talk about it? no. in fact, the cave men in the radio air waves are the one talking about it. he took time off. his choice. you know what? i had a baby. i actually was one of the one people in the entire world that had a baby too. some people act like it's the only thing that is happening in the world. i had one and i was on tv two hours later. my choice. >> that is weird. >> that's weird. >> but you're weird. >> you're kind of strange. >> the second one, my husband had something really important to do. i told him to go. is it against the law? no. it's our choice. my family's choice. what we need to do for our family.

he doing what needs to do for his family. >> i agree with that. >> mr. whiny who worked for us, he was doing what he had to do for his family but he didn't tell us about it because he had to make sure! >> look at that. my wife had a baby! there you go. we are running out of time with yousef. >> is that the point you were making, joe? you took, by the way, six months off and went golfing! >> wow. >> seemed like the thing to do at the time. >> your personal decision. >> seemed like the thing to do at the time. >> my point was. >> good choice, by the way. >> yes. if you were the owner of the mets that guy would be cold his wife could have the baby at the stadium if he wanted to be there. >> it's just ridiculous. >> it's what you would have said and you would have gone, i had a baby and was on tv two hours later. >> this is a ridiculous conversation. here with us now, united arab emirates ambassador to the u.s., yousef al otaiba.

how about you? >> let me tell you how excited i am to be here after this wonderful segment. >> do you agree with me? >> i agree with both of you. it's a tough choice and unless you're in that person's shoes it's hard to make that decision. >> it's kind of personal. >> we had two c-sections and no way i was going back to work. >> ambassador, you raented wrwr following. we have sought a new engagement with the world. president obama said in his 2009 speech at the u.n. we welcome that sentiment and impras it as enthusiastically now. what should this engagement look like today? it starts with a strong u.s. reaffirmation of our shared vital interests in the region. it's a difficult to do list that includes containing the iranian nuclear threat and challenging extremism and fighting terrorism. stabilizing egypt and ending the violence in syria and advancing the arab-israeli peace and

protecting energy supplies and international shipping and i bet you the list goes on when you think about it. >> there is a concern that the u.s. isn't as engaged in the middle east as it used to be. are those concerns well-founded? >> the major message of the op-ed that you guys very succinctly summarized was all of the challenges we have in our region today, syria, iran, egypt, libya, we have come to the conclusion that we can't solve them on our own and i'm pretty sure you can't solve them on your own. the main message is finding a way we need to find a way to work together on all of these issues and without that, none of these will be resolved. i think the president's trip to saudi was a first step in terms of having that conversation face-to-face and they were enthusiastic about the visit and what i hear from both sides that went very well. >> we know that the saudis and others in the region, other traditional american allies have been saying to this white house, look. we feel that you're pulling

back, we feel that you're not engaged and we are not a priority and they are very upset about it. how do they persuade the american public there is a value to america in reengaging in these issues? >> that is the tough question. you have to make sure the u.s. side sees it's in their interest to help resolve syria and in their interests to stabilize egypt and in their interests to prevent a nuclear iran. that has to be an argument that resonates with the average american. i think if you look at public opinion the average american thinks those are not his problems. >> how do you change that? >> you have to explain this is ultimately in their interest by having iran being a nuclear power that is going to harm u.s. interests by having the relationship between your traditional allies like the uae and like jordan and saudi and the u.s. fall apart. we want to see that change. we want to see the president visit saudi like had he that honest conversation. we want to see more engagement.

we want to see more mechanisms we work together to solve these problems. >> we understand here in the states the threat that gulf states that israeli feel from iran is at your doorstep. what more would you like to see the united states, president obama, secretary kerry do as a practical matter? what more would you like to see from this government? >> we already have a really robust economic relationship when it comes to trade. we have a very healthy military relationship. we have a wonderful relationship between our cultural institutions and nyu, cleveland clinic and johns hopkins. these are partnerships that exist. i want to see more of that. like the article said, i think, having a strong diverse relationship with the united states is in our interests. what i want to see is finding ways to develop those relationships further. >> hey, let's talk about you're a co-chair of a very important event in washington, d.c. tell bus about it. >> a back story that helps explain how we got here. for decades now, the uae has

been sending hundred dollars of children for treatment at children's national medical center. about five years ago, the uae made a generous grant to children's international and today we are -- we have volunteered, my wife and i, to chair the ball because after all that history, we never believed, at least my wife and i never believed that we would actually need children's national for our kid. you always think it's not going to happen to you. our daughter is now 14 months old and when she was 4 months old, she was diagnosed with something on her lung that shouldn't have been there. actually, she was diagnosed when she was still -- when my wife was still five months pregnant. when she was 4 months old, we checked into children's national and they did surgery where they removed the lesion from her lung but for a 4-month-old that is pretty traumatic. if we didn't believe in karma before this we certainly do now. my wife and i and brett bayer

volunteered to chair the ball because they went through similar experiences. their 6-year-old son had three open heart surgeries since he was born. we both teamed up together. we are trying to make this a fun and successful event. so far, we have raised 7.8 million. >> oh, my god. >> as of late night. >> that's great. >> we are very excited. it's next week. >> yousef, wonderful news and wonderful what you're doing. thank you so much. we will be right back. dea, we have a personalized legal solution that's right for you. with easy step-by-step guidance, we're here to help you turn your dream into a reality. start your business today with legalzoom.

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>> thank you very much. what this means now is that paul and i can be married. >> all righty then. welcome back to "morning joe." top of the hour, sort of. joining from washington the moderator of "meet the press" david gregory. nbc news chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown" chuck todd. >> chuck, it's 4 after 7:00. it's not just the daily run down we get. we get to your show 20 seconds later. four minutes later than ours. everybody is having a heart tack around here. it happens. when you look at chuck todd and david gregory, you think, you know? >> what? >> late night.

jean united states. -- geniuses. we are all huge david letterman fans, david gregory? >> absolutely. one of the marquees left. i always wanted to visit the site of the bridge behind him. i always thought that was real for years. no. just going back to the show, you know, years ago before he went to cbs was so ground breaking and so funny. yeah. that just leaves a huge hole. the guy is legendary. >> it's not over yet. i can't wait to see the final shows. david letterman truly redefined the late night landscape. >> it's derek jeter. he has a full year to tour all of the ballparks in the country and get gifts. >> exactly. exactly. i want to do that. >> two big farewells in one. >> you would like to leave the show with or without a farewell tour. >> yes, exactly. david letterman announced he is hanging up his microphone after

three decades. take a look. >> in 34 years, 5,914 shows and almost 6,000 shows, ladies and gentlemen. >> reporter: he started off making $1506 a week as a weekend weatherman and booth announcer. but his stand-up comedy help land him his own late night show on nbc working in the shadow of the great johnny carson. and while johnny paraded out the stars, letterman made his name being off-beat. >> we are going to pull out here for station identification and get the host -- whoa. >> reporter: johnny carson throne of "the tonight show" was passed on to jay leno forcing letterman to cbs and a late night rivalry was born. >> just how pissed off are you? >> reporter: letterman carved out his own unique niche. his signature top ten countdowns and spared no one. >> number nine! >> what is up, gangsters?

it's the -- it's the m.i. double tizzle. >> number 5. confused stare. >> the number one sign president obama is overconfident been cruising with chicks with john edwards. other hosts put him front and center. >> surprise you 70 shoot in connection a school? you don't know what it means. i heard somebody say to you how would so and so and so and so be handled under 999 and you said, i don't know! i've made jokes about you. not just one or two. not on ongoing here and there. >> reporter: there were tabloids about an affair and he was force to do apologize for comments about sarah palin's daughter.

>> one awkward moment for sarah palin during the seventh inning her daughter was knocked up by alex rodriguez. am i guilty of poor taste? yes. did i suggest that it was okay for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? no. >> joo but -- >> reporter: but david letterman legacy is unelbdeniable. he changed the tv landscape for decade. >> david's fingerprints are everywhere. his ethos is everywhere whether people who are young know it or not it comes from johnny carson but enhanced by david letterman. >> because of the leno/letterman thing people forget that. this new round of late night hosts, they are all borrowing from letterman.

when i watch fallon do some of these stunts that he is doing that have gone viral i'm thinking remember when david letterman used to be serial? that used to be one of my favorite things. we would put on rice krispies and jump in a bowl of milk! it was just the 12:30 show maybe you were having a few extra ways you were watching television to enhance tv back in that day on how you were personally feeling and nothing like watching letterman to enhance the feelings that you got from whatever you were doing that day. >> chuck todd with the colorado angle. >> it is a colorado angle. made letterman each that much more popular. fallen and kimmel in particular you feel absolute direct descendants of letterman. >> i'm glad you talked about the

12:30 show when it was in that slot. you look back at that it was magic. brilliance every single night. i remember one night he did a david letterman bootleg show. i mean, the things that he would do, talking about the man under the stairs. he would talk did -- i mean, it was just great stuff every single night. and as chuck said, this is sort of stuff that people are doing today, every one of those shows would have had something in this that would have gone viral and 5 million hits on youtube the next day. >> when you see jimmy fallen do the game where he is cracking eggs over john mccain head that is letterman having john mcenroe hit serves from one window to another across 30 rock and him throwing watermelons on top of the building and that comes from david letterman. >> that is big news and we will watch his final shows counting down. we have other news to cover. the fifth annual women in the world summit is under way in new

york city. you're heading there. >> i am. >> after the show to talk about your book "the confidence code" which is out in a week or to? >> april 15th. >> if you preorder it you get a free webinar. i should have thought of that! my next book, i'm doing it. >> i need confidence. >> for a great book with loads of ideas on how to get more confidence particularly for women and in that web, it's something that works. >> it will work for you? >> we need to do the opposite for you, joe. >> one of the first featured guests at that event was hillary clinton the former secretary of state discussed everything from iran's nuclear ambitions to russia's land grab in ukraine and she was asked about women in public life and if they are viewed within a double standard in the media. clinton said, we have all experienced the double standard. i think the media is a principle

propagator of its persistence. you can't let it crush you and you have to move forward. clinton didn't break any other news about her presidential run but give a big high five to christine christine lagarde. david growing, she was asked several times by tom friedman she was thinking about running for president directly or indirectly. she got closer to saying yes every time. at one point saying there is unfinished business still to be done. >> i think this part of the tour is no doubt the highlight of the run. you know, because all of the anticipation. the fact she is in the public eye to this degree and is able to both shape the landscape a little bit by certain things that she is saying as a kind of preview of major themes of the campaign. but to also allow the conversation to go forward without her actually being in

the arena yet. i think it is helpful for her. i think every reason for her to wait. there is no reason to commit too early here. she can still sit back and test to see what the scrutiny is like and to see the lines of attack, to see where the party is headed. just to look at the level of enthusiasm, say, in the mid terms this year i think is struckive for her to see how well republicans do will be instructive for her. i think a lot she is benefiting from in the glow and being asked the question. >> chuck todd, what do you think? everyone is going to try to ask in their own way but she will have an answer ready every time, of course. >> what is the incentive for her to change her answer? the minute she does that is the other thing. she is very aware that if she at all gets closer -- i mean, i have found it interesting. jeb bush has been more open about thinking about running for president in his public comments than hillary clinton has.

he has not played his coy in what he has said and it's not gotten the same attention. if she were saying the exact same thing jeb were saying, by the end of the year we will make a decision. the first time she said that, that is all we would be talking about right now for about a 48-hour period. i think she knows that so she has the ability she doesn't have to be as forthcoming about wanting to run right now as maybe others do. >> i think more interesting in what hillary clinton said yesterday was about women and the double standard. i saw you nodding profusely, especially given the book you just wrote, which is about women and confidence. she talked about how women have to sort of get up when they fall or take criticism better and she talked about the double standard that exists out there. i think that is important to hear from hillary clinton. >> she certainly felt that double standard in 2008 with the treatment from the media and we all know that. what i thought she said about resilience was important for women. we do have a tendency thinking

12 hours later of the tiny little thing. >> do you think guys are thinking about that? >> they have let it roll off their back and i think we could do it better. >> maybe they didn't notice it. they don't. >> notice what? >> exactly. >> what? what? >> say no more. that is so important for women. i'm dead serious. >> jim vandehei, interesting the three questions that came out of her ad. she didn't really coy and didn't swat them away. no doubt this clinton team, they are getting ready. they are gearing up. every single day, whether it's the donor base or whether it's planning ahead. isn't that what you've heard? >> yeah. you know my feeling on this. there is no way a clinton would ever turn do you a run for office that they think they can win. like chuck said she has every the incentive to wait forever to make that decision but whether you're talking to donors on a regular basis and clever about

what you say and when you say it to make sure you are part of the public conversation. i agree jeb has been more up front but the funny thing is like when you talk to people who are talking to jeb privately he apparently had met off the record with a lot of these donors recently and he wasn't all that impressive. he didn't seem like he had been that prepared from the speech to donors. you never say that will hillary clinton. she is always prepared. she knows exactly what she wants to do and she not going to blow any opportunity in front of donors or in front of a public audience. >> a lot of that has to do with the fact that jeb, i think, is wringing his hands to figure out whether he runs or not, chuck. >> right foot. >> hillary is probably not wringing her hands. i think jeb is struggling through this and trying to weigh his own, you know, personal challenges on whether he really wants to go through what his father and brother went through versus what he think is best for the country. >> i think if he were handed the nomination, if he knew the

nomination were his, there would be no hesitation. i think the whole thing is about how hard the primary process is going to be. and especially -- the idea -- and i think it's sort of for him, the idea that for all of the things the bush family has done for republican party that his last name, i think, is more of a problem in the republican primary than it would be in a general election, i think that what contributes to the hand wringing. >> michael, what do you think? >> i think chuck has hit on one of the salient points. the differences between hillary clinton and a jeb bush. jeb bush is looking at a very active primary process in which he is going to be battling some very, very strong conservatives to his right, trying to allow the party in a different direction from where it is right now. hillary is basically looking around at the stage and seeing no one but hillary. and so she has the luxury of

taking her time, playing coy and playing nice with the press on this matter. if there were to emerge a serious threat for the nomination, i think you would see a very different approach by her team. i think you would see some need to really carve out the space that, yes, i may be running for president just so that strong presence doesn't overshadow her. there are differences here and play between these two political characters that is going to be very interesting to watch. with hillary having the upper hand because she has to clear a stage to play on. >> if you look at how jeb bush came out with his book where he talked about immigration he did not seem prepared to handle that in a presidential context, a presidential run context. he seemed uncomfortable. he seemed frustrated with the media probing on this or even his own position on immigration. i think that all goes to how difficult the primary would be. the irony is that hillary clinton who does see a largely empty field in her path still

has to understand that, in many ways, the democratic party is to the left of her. especially given some of the disappointment with president obama and certainly she's back to being, you know, to the right of obama when it comes to foreign affairs and that could be to her detriment. you look at the bob gates book and how biden positioned himself on questions like afghanistan but, nevertheless she doesn't face the kind of primary that jeb bush does. >> one more story. the majority leader harry reid in the news again doubling down on his criticism of the koch brothers who he recently described as un-american. charles koch respond inside a recently "wall street journal" op-ed where he described the democrats attacks as character assassination. senator reid, however, doesn't seem the least bit bothered. >> most people hear from me the koch brothers. i've helped them maim them a little more infamous or famous and i'm glad i've done that.

these two are a pair of shadow billionaires and spending millions of dollars to rig our political system and who does it help? them. by every indication, my republican colleagues are falling overthemselves to help advance their self-described radical -- already we have had one senator run to the senate floor and he read word for word that op-ed piece on the floor. >> michael steele, we wondered last hour where the senate majority leader persists going after the koch brothers. i think the conclusion we reached, raise money and number two it must be working or he wouldn't be going back to this well. the argue the republicans have all of this money on their side so we need to get something going on ours. >> absolutely. harry reid is the rallier and he is basically doing what the president can't do and saying what the president can't say as the head of the democratic party. so, you know, i take joe's point in the sensitivity to having a majority leader sound and act the way harry reid has but that

is harry reid and the democrats know that, you know, if in the trenches he is a fighter. he's a former boxer and he brings that to the arena every time. and republicans know that as well. i mean, they basically look at harry reid and go, okay, yeah, whatever. because the koch brothers are going to spend their money. and there is nothing that harry reid can say or do to stop it, except get his own base, his own finan financiers in place to make the run and what he is going to do. >> among democrats any queasiness about the tone harry reid has been using, chuck? i haven't heard anything on that front. nothing that this is all part of a strategy to try to raise awareness. there is a whole democratic party strategy behind this. this is not harry reid going it alone. this is about trying to raise awareness for the koch brothers and make them a part of the story. one strategist described it to me they want to turn the koch

brothers into bayne. the theory is in all of the states they are advertising in, find a way in that senate race to somehow connect koch, the koch brothers to maybe they are trying to profit off of something in michigan or arkansas, north carolina, whatever it is, find some connection to one of their companies and then try to make that senator or that senate candidate own that issue and make it look like they are being bought or quid pro quo. this is a bigger strategy to raise awareness of who the koch brothers are to see if they can somehow make their money or at least make associating with them a tiny bit problematic. we will see if it works. i think it's a tough argument to make. i think voters don't necessarily make those connections very well but telling what the strategy is. >> it's the stupidest strategy i've ever heard. i'm reminded of what george w. bush said to george tenet when

he came in and gave him his wmd intel. is that all you got? is that all you got? is that the best you got? if somebody thinks that a voter in raleigh, north carolina, that is out of work gives a damn about who is financing 30-second ads, they are too stupid to be in politics. in fact, i would say they are too stupid to be even trusted with common household appliances, say, a blender, because they might accidentally stick their face in there and get it chopped off. you have to be really stupid to think this is going to work. on top of that, my opinion, obviously, but on top of that, david gregory, you look at this position that tom daschle has held recently that trent lott held, george mitchell held, that bob dole held. it's stunning to me and maybe i'm an old fogey. stunning to me a senate majority leader holding george mitchell's

spot or bob dole's spot would be doing this instead of some angry crafty senator from the south and go, go out there and throw red meat out there. that is the way it used to be done. it's shocking that you have a senate majority leader using these mccarthy-like terms line unan american and no senator on the democratic side is the least business uneasy about it. >> number one, you're right. you are an old fogey. but you're right. i mean, the fact at a time of such ineffectiveness in washington to have our politics be this shrill from that highest level is going to turn a lot of people off. i'm not sure i agree that it's totally ineffective when it comes to motivate a democratic base out there, particularly in an off-year election that seems lost here and not as motivated as the right. you saw the 2012 race much

different context, presidential race. barack obama at the top of the ticket who benefited from this kind of demonization of the republican brand and bayne, as chuck said and corporate interests and the rest of the idea there is some kind of shadowy force out there trying to stack the deck in this election, you make that argument. now i think it's belied by the fact you have moneyed interests on the left. we have talked about tom stier who are doing the same thing. i think the extent to which reid has made this a cause getting the koch brothers to respond the way they have, maybe their only hope to try to motivate more democrats. >> david gregory, thank you. did i hear somebody chirp? was that chuck? >> no chirping. he didn't chirp. >> what do you have coming up on sunday's "meet the press," david? >> among the things we will talk about is this issue in a way which is our democracy for sale? the supreme court decision and shaun mccutcheon who brought the

case. >> chuck todd, thank you as well. we will be watching much later this morning on "the daily r rundo rundown." >> what you got, chuck? >> i don't know. i'll figure it out. i got bobby jinjindal. it's a bigger change to health care than what president obama had proposed. a bigger change he is proposing. >> okay. chuckster. up next, afghan head to the poll. >> chuck todd brought to you by colorado's -- >> old school letterman. you remember the day time show, willie? >> 10:00 a.m. absolutely. >> smoking. >> that was the wake and bake show! i think they called it the wake and bake show! >> he was doing that to mary tyler moore's variety show and david was dancing in the background of that.

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tomorrow, afghanistan will vote on a new president. the first to succeed hamid karzai who has served since 2002. the entire country is in a state of heightened security. nbc news richard engel is live in the afghan capital. >> reporter: the elections are scheduled to take place tomorrow and violence on the rise. today a horrific attack. two female journalists were traveling in a convoy with election workers. they were delivering ballots to a voting station and while they were parked in this convoy the two journalists from the associated press sitting in the back seat of their own vehicle, an unarmored vehicle, one of the members of the afghan security forces, afghan police officer walked up to their car and

started shouting and fired into the back seat. a german photographer 48 years old was killed instantlily. kathy gannon, a well known canadian writer for the associated press was injured. we were told she just arrived at bagram air base and she will get first class medical treatment. this took place in ghost and it raises questions about the reliability of the afghan security force that are now being trained by american troops. >> nbc's richard engel, thanks. you get a sense of what journalists go through. >> it has become so violent for journalists. >> it's impossible to cover the story. thomas is back at the table as well. >> hello, thomas roberts. >> here with us the president and ceo of the international rescue committee, david milband. thank you for being with us. >> david, fragile gains as your

committee -- your organization have been made in afghanistan. how are those fragile gains protected moving forward especially with the u.s. and allied troops getting out? >> we are an organization 4,000 afghan villages and delivering food and health. >> how dangerous is that? >> very dangerous. we lost five of our staff in the western part of the country and every day we have extraordinarily determined afghans. this is afghan staff and not western staff. 99% afghan staff delivering that's much-needed services. they have real fear. the fear is that the pullout of western troops is going to be coupled with the end of any kind of western humanitarian aid and making life and death difference for the people that we serve, the basically civilians who have had not just war but 30 years of

war since the soviet union he invaded in 1979. >> what is the situation for women? we are getting mixed reports how much women will be vulnerable after the foreign forces pull out. they have made gains up until now. do you think a prospect the gains could be substantially reversed for women in afghanistan? >> the short answer has to be yes. a great force of women and girls who have had education and have seen the benefits and doing honor to their own tradition and giving themselves a place in society. the danger is if the military withdrawal becomes a complete divorce, if afghanistan is left to its own devices yet again, remember, this happened after the soviet withdrawal in the late '80s. if the western community which provides about 80% of the humanitarian aid pulls out the danger is the gains that have been made is lost and you end up in that vicious circle of

prove poverty and political instability. it always becomes a regional conflict and has potential as this country knows better than any other that has an effect around the route. >> how much of this is rooted for what is going on in afghanistan through the taliban and the rise once again of the taliban in power? >> well, i think there is no question that having been driven out of the country in the early 2000s they are undoubtedly invalidate these elections and make big symbolic hits and substantive hits. it's important to say the pashi tan who live there are not all al qaeda. the number who are actually determined to overthrow the government is much smaller than the number actually who need help. >> michael steele in washington has qae for you. michael? >> on the heels of this -- or the beginning ever this election, how important is this going forward?

really at the end of the day, substantively, what do we expect to happen once we get beyond this election and how does this country pull itself forward and move forward? >> i think a fork in the road. it either goes back into the vicious circle i described of poverty, instability. let's be honest about it. the neighboring countries playing a role and seeing as a state in which they will have influence. or you can see a world in which lowell the locally a distribution of power and 40,000 valleys and villages and you see there the different communities learning to live together and actually make some of the economic and social gains that will make the country worth living. i've been to the country many times. what you have is an extraordinary potential. remember in the '70s, people talked about kabul the paris of the east. in the 19th century, it was the silk road, the crossroads of asia.

this country which has become the 175th poorest country in the world has 20 million plus people who have the ability to make a contribution to their own livelihoods and a strong message as a humanitarian organization is after all the losses, all of the human losses, two and a half thousand people lost there. a fraction of that investment humanitarian help can help that country avoid the worst of that and can make the right choices. >> thank you for being on this show and come back any time. >> i would love to come back. >> your father recently called -- >> no, he called my father. he sat down on the set and said, is that your father in munich? i met him recently. he was quietly sardonic. what does that mean? >> that means he had a wry smile as he described those who are making foreign policy today.

a lovely way of saying, look, he has his own ideas but he didn't have to say, i know best. but he just said things that were so insightful that he should have been on the stage. >> little smirk says it. david, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> thank you for the work. and everything you do. >> wonderful. coming up is there a new world on the state of israel? columnist john podhoretz thinks so and we will be right back. [ male announcer ] this is karen and jeremiah.

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with us now commentary editor john podhoretz. the author of israeli and how to fight back. commentator e-book.

>> i wish i could claim i was the author but i'm the editor. i have baunch of otha bunch oft in it. >> it keeps getting better and better. >> thank you. >> the peace talks editorials, charles krauthammer this morning talking about the collapse of the peace talks in the middle east and john kerry needs to give up and come home and needs to say when to say when. what do you think? >> i think it's funny. kerry, yesterday, or the day before yesterday said, you know, we can't want this more than the israelis and palestinians do which is, of course, true. probably this entire negotiation was his idea. israelis and palestinians were not clamoring to go back to the table. he went. he said i'm starting a peace process. he hired 30 people to manage the peace process. he has been over there 875,000 times punching, hitting, trying to make deals, trying to make

deals. there is no internal motivation at this moment, particularly on the palestinian side. >> why is that? >> to make a deal. >> why? >> because, right now, if you -- if you live in the middle east, let's just talk about us. what area of the middle east is less in crisis than israeli and the palestinian territories, in crisis, okay? egypt in crisis. syria in crisis. iran is in crisis. iraq is in crisis. saudis are panicked about iran. israeli -- lebanon is overrun by syrian refugees and turkey is in meltdown. it's odd thing the secretary of state at this point in american history should -- this should be the primary source of his focus. >> katty? roichlt do y

>> do you think the peace talks on over now? >> they are dead. >> unrevivable? >> they are never unrevivable. whatever this process was leading to a framework deal which is what we were looking for, that is over. but, i mean, first of all, the israelis and palestinians talk all the time. the question of whether or not they are going to come to some final disposition right now is not possible, but, i mean, one of the reasons it's not possible is exactly what happens this week, which is that mahmoud abbas, the president of the palestinian authority, announced he was going to go to the u.n. and claim an international organizations and claim palestine's place in them. this effectively turns palestine into a virtual state. a state everybody gets to be come ne committees and this and that then they are not ultimately responsible for their own people

so that is more fun. it's more fun to sit in the councils of the u.n. than deal with water problems or sewage problems or police strikes, that sort of thing. >> two quick things about the e-commentary book. on secretary kerry do you believe what he is trying to do is genuinely authentic? second, when it comes to the fact your observation is that it's a cooler time between israeli and palestine, wouldn't that be a more logical time to try to mend the divide there? >> i think that's logical, but i really don't think that a third-party coming in saying now it's time for peace talks because i'm the new secretary of state and i want -- you know, i want to make my mark on this very central thing, is going to bring people to an agreement that they, themselves, aren't ready to make. >> all right. the e-book is "the new war on israeli." john, thank you. it's up for debate, for sure. >> where do we get it?

>> it's on the kindle and at amazon. it's really good. >> very good. >> good to have you on the show. nice to see you. up next, he has been called a fresh water detective and extreme anger. >> i've been called that! oh, wait, no i haven't. >> i love doing that. i love this. that is really fun. the host of animal plant's "must see river monsters" jeremy wade is standing by. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. transferred money from his bank of america savings account to his merrill edge retirement account. before he opened his first hot chocolate stand calling winter an "underserved season". and before he quit his friend's leaf-raking business for "not offering a 401k." larry knew the importance of preparing for retirement. that's why when the time came he counted on merrill edge to streamline his investing and help him plan for the road ahead. that's the power of streamlined connections. that's merrill edge and bank of america.

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♪ in the heart of the amazon, i'm on the hunt for a perpetrator of an apocalyptic attack, on the survivors of the ship's survivors. could it be one of the top freshwater predators, the river dolphin? now, the question is, how will they react to me? >> all right. >> come on! who does that? >> now in its sixth season. i don't know, but we'll find out now. jeremy wade is the host of the show. >> you get in the amazon. this has been around for six seasons for good reason. he's crazy. he's crazy. >> i'm still here after five, six seasons, because i do my

research. there is quite interesting stuff down there. >> that's amazing. >> where did this unique curiosity develop for you, to want to do this? because a lot of people, they'd go the other way. get further onto shore and away from going after the river monsters. why are you so intrigued about going to find them? >> well, that's -- you said it. it's curiosity. and the thing about rivers is generally you can't see what's in the water. >> right. >> you know, the sea, we all know what's there. jacques cousteau filmed what's in the sea. rivers, we don't know. >> you're an extreme biologist. extreme emphasis on extreme. and this season premier this year is about -- we talked about an apocalyptic sea creature that -- tell the story about 200 lives lost, and nobody still knows exactly what the cause was. >> well, the boat turned over. this was about the boat that turned over in the amazon, and the records have been lost.

nobody knows exactly how many people were on board, but something like 200 people died. and a lot of the bodies were recovered. so what happened to those? so we're never going to know for sure, but i'm looking at the possibilities. one interesting person connection is the boat was salvaged, it was given another name, and when i first went to the amazon in 1993, i actually travelled on that boat for five days without realizing it spent time at the bottom of the amazon. >> really? >> but, jeremy, what is the, i guess, best hypothesis of what happened to those 200 people? >> well, there are certainly scavenging catfish that will feed on human corpses. at the time -- well, there's also larger catfish there. at the time, there was a fish processing plant that was putting fish waste into the big river, and it was a big eddy, and it was all circulating. so large numbers of catfish that nobody ate or fished for. they probably got in on the act,

as well. the question is did they pull anybody under. we spoke to a survivor who said people were disappearing under the surface. was there a frenzy with larger fish grabbing onto legs and pulling people -- >> ah! thomas, this isn't for the faint of heart. you get a man-eating crusher, river of blood. talk about that episode this season. "river of blood." >> one theme that has emerged in the last few years -- [ laughter ] >> blood? >> -- well, it's -- >> it's a constant thing. >> -- another theme is fish going for human genitals. >> really? ooh. >> so we found a story in argentina about somebody who had his genitals partially severed from the description of the wound, it wasn't piranha. they have quite large piranhas there. it was something else. >> yeah. >> so all our programs, they

start with a story. and i investigate and try and find out what the perpetrator is, and then try and actually -- >> where was this? >> in argentina. >> be careful. >> the lorena bobbitt of fish. >> exactly. >> and really quickly, what is, as an extreme biologist, what's your closest call been? >> it's not so much the fish. it's normally -- because i do my homework on the fish. usually, it's the stuff that comes out of the environment and takes you by surprise. we had sound recorders hit by lightning. a plane flying over the amazon that crashed into the forest, we were doing aerial filming. that's probably my closest call. >> that's pretty close. you don't want to get much closer than that. >> always wanted to go to argentina, but i've changed my mind. >> no, if you do, wear protective gear. >> yeah, wearing a cup. all right, jeremy, thank you. we appreciate it. congratulations the sixth season of "river monsters" premiers on animal planet, and this sunday at 9:00 p.m. >> that's it. >> good stuff.

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[ laughter ] well -- >> thank you very much. and what this means now is that paul and i can be married. [ laughter ] ♪ good morning, it's 8:00 on the east coast. 5:00 a.m. on the west coast as you take a live look at new york city. back with us on set, we have katy kay, and in washington, michael steele. >> you don't know what you have when you have it. as joni mitchell said, you know? you don't know what you got till it's gone. i was thinking back about how in entertainment one of the, i think, miracles of entertainment was that for an entire generation, they had johnny carson every night. >> yeah. >> here's a guy who, if he did the show one night a week, it would have been just, you know,

a remarkable gift. but that he did that for as long as he did was just absolutely stunning. and you've got to put david letterman, who, of course, carson was david letterman's hero, in the same category. >> yeah, absolutely. >> it's just the fact that -- the fact that we've had him for as long as we've had him. i see you smile. this is completely sincere. i put him right up there as far as entertainment goes with, like, the beatles. >> oh, i'm not laughing. i totally agree with you. >> shaped our living. >> absolutely. >> he shaped our comedy culture like nobody. >> oh, my gosh, remember -- i'm trying to think, i've never been more nervous in my life, because he's so funny, so cutting, that do go on the show with him you have to be ready. only one more year, i guess. david letterman stunned his studio audience and a lot of people around the country when he announced his run on late-night tv as coming to an end. >> sometime in the not-too-distant future, 2015 for the love of god, in fact, paul

and i will be wrapping things up and taking a hike. [ applause ] thank you! thanks, everybody. >> so when he completes his run, david letterman will be officially the longest-serving host in late-night tv history. it all started so long ago when he was just 19 years old making 150 bucks a week as a weatherman and a booth announcer. >> i was just laughing, because they showed that picture of bill murray. bill murray was his first guest. and he just leaned in, he said, "i'm going to make your life a living hell, letterman!" and david couldn't keep it together. so funny. >> his comedy landed him his own late-night show on nbc, working in the shadows of johnny carson, the great. but then they gave johnny's throne to jay leno, which had letterman jump to rival cbs, and there was this huge late-night

rivalry. >> why don't i just start off with a question here, just -- [ laughter ] -- just how pissed off are you? [ cheers and applause ] a friend of yours. >> yeah. >> is taking over here next may. [ laughter ] >> i'm sorry, what did you say? >> i said -- [ laughter ] >> oh, my gosh. >> you know, letterman wasn't the only one pissed off at that. i mean, carson absolutely loved david letterman. >> yeah, i didn't get it. >> the feelings were mutual. >> but letterman did just fine. he carved out his own niche, very biting, and very kooky, and sometimes the top-ten list. >> number 9 -- what's up, gangstas, it's the m.i. double 'tisle. >> number 5 -- confused stare.

[ laughter ] number 3 -- oh, look at this, no number 3, stolen by o.j. the number one sign barack obama is overconfident, been cruising for chicks with john edwards. there you go. [ laughter ] >> oh, my lord! of course, controversies along the way. all of the tabloid reports, an affair, attempted blackmail by a producer. i think one of the biggest moments in sort of the darker side of things was when he was forced to apologize for comments about sarah palin's daughter, but he did it his way. >> one awkward moment for sarah palin at the yankee game during the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by alex rodriguez. am i guilty of poor taste? yes. [ laughter ] did i suggest that it was okay for her 14-year-old daughter to be having promiscuous sex? no. >> willie. i mean, you can't even put it

into words, what david letterman has meant to comedy, what he has meant to late night. >> as you try to measure it, a good way to do it is watch the reaction yesterday of kmeed cco. almost every comedian worshipped david letterman. stephen colbert, john appatow. they didn't even think he was just funny, but his whole ethos of comedy, his view of the world. it's the way they wanted to look at the world. he was absurd, all the things everybody said. also, he had no patience for the medium of tv. i would argue even on our show where you sort of tear down the wall and laugh at the conventions of television a little bit. he started that on network television. there's an interview online that people should go watch on youtube where he had paris hilton on five, year sixes ago. she came on, she said to talk about her movie and new fragrance line, and all he did

for eight minutes was asking her about prison, what was the food like, and she was furious, steaming, giving one-word answers, saying i moved past that. and dave said, well, i haven't. and someone in the crowd screams out, "i love you, paris." she said, "i love you, too." he said, somebody you met in prison? it was that, and not to pick on her, he didn't want to talk about your movie or your perfume line. >> if he didn't feel like it. >> he didn't do movie clips. he didn't play the game. and what we -- those of us around the table, and we were like everybody, influenced by it. one of the things we did at the beginning of the show, following up on what you said is whenever people would come on, well, where do i look, what camera? he said, you don't look at a camera. we don't play tv here. the only thing you can do wrong on this show is play tv. you talk about the ethos, that was all david letterman. he tore down the wall. he tore down the facade. >> he did. and jerry seinfeld was quoted in

the a.p. story going around, and he said letterman was the only one who's succeeded at changing the format. like, acknowledging the fact, yes, there are cue card, and, yes, we rehearse this. he tore down that wall and didn't do the borsch belt humor, and acknowledged that what he was doing was kind of ridiculous and sometimes the funny jokes he missed were the ones that were missed rather than the ones he landed. >> a lot of time the jokes were just really bad. and i would sit there and be laughing just as hard if they were really good. where did he learn that from? well, the only other guy that was phenomenal with jokes that missed, and that's johnny carson, who was actually even funnier when the jokes didn't hit. >> he had the ability to turn the joke on himself. >> right. >> to be like that. i can see why you were scared going on the show, because he also had this ability to put people in the hot seat and not let them off.

you know how television is an x-ray. you do see what people's nature is. and he was prepared to push them. and if you couldn't respond to it with the same kind of humor and go him with it, you came out -- >> well, we have a picture of mika. so, david letterman asked what she did when she was growing up. and mika said one of the things was we had dong pao jing for dinner. and he said, i bet that was delicious. >> i was sweating. i had been so nervous. i'd never been so nervous in someone's presence. he just asked me something about crazy childhood stories, ablurtd out the most inappropriate thing about seeing jimmy carter in a speedos. all nerves. all nerves. there was something about his presence, and when you meet someone that funny, you know they're there that smart. you know they're that smart and

they can do whatever they want. >> yeah. >> it's interesting. >> and you can't try and be funny back. >> no. >> can i ask -- >> you survive it, that's all. >> i want to ask you really quickly about there's a lot of british humor that americans don't get. do brits get david letterman? >> yeah. >> they do get david letterman? >> jon stewart, for example, huge in the u.k. letterman, huge, similarly, and i think it's that biting quality. british humor is often a bit darker, a bit more acerbic, cynical. >> acerbic, yeah. >> and i think he was popular in the u.k. the way jon stewart is. every kid i know watches jon stewart. >> all right. let's get to other news of the morning. majority leader harry reid, a doubling down on his criticism of the koch brothers whom he recently described as un-american. and today's "l.a. times" reports he is hardly the only democrat taking aim. senator al franken sent an e-mail to supporters accusing the kochs of master mining a

secretive network to funnel dark money all over the country. senator mark bag itch of alaska, meanwhile, is taking his feelings to the airwaves. >> the koch brothers -- >>ing about air koch brothers. >> they come into our town, buy our refinery. >> running it into the ground. >> leaving a mess. >> a lot of alaskans are losing jobs, and i'm concerned about the drinking water. >> charles koch responded to the criticism in a recent "wall street journal" op ed where he described the attacks as character assassination. senator reid didn't seem the most bit bothered. >> most people here familiar with the koch brothers, i'm had to make them a little more infamous or famous, and i'm glad i've done that. these two men are shadow billionaires spending millions of dollars to rig their political system. and who does it help? them. by every indication, our republican colleagues are falling all over themselves to help advance their

self-described radical fosse. all right, we've had one senator run to the senate floor and read word-for-word the op-ed piece on the floor. >> it's embarrassing. it really is embarrassing. jim vandehei -- i mean, my opinion is, and i've said it clearly, that harry reid is -- what he's doing is beneath the dignity of the office he's holding. he's lying about these people. he's calling them un-american, it's mccarthyism. he's lying about them. he's putting lies on his website that the white house itself discredited four years ago. harry reid still has on his website today that the koch brothers may not pay corporate taxes. now, that was a lie debunked four years ago. and he is still pushing that lie today. and then you've got the steyer brothers who are giving, what, $100 million this next year, and when you guys went to one of the

steyer brothers and compared them to the koch brothers, they said, well, we take that as a compliment, because, yes, we're going to do the same thing. on the left. i mean, what -- >> well, the question is, why? >> why do democrats think they can connect with middle america by engaging in mccarthy tactics, calling somebody un-american, lying -- lying about them not payi ining corporate taxes, and want to make this about harry reid. we remember he lied during the presidential campaign and said mitt romney hadn't paid taxes in ten years. and i'm just -- are there no democrats that are backing off of this man? in the united states senate? why? >> number -- why is harry reid doing this? because he has every single political incentive to do it. the koch brothers are basically as big as a party, and he knows if he vilifies them, if he can do anything to discourage that type of activity, he could help his party. more importantly, it's basically

a siren. it's, like, come on, guys, on the left, women on the left, you have to pony up that kind of money to go after the koch brothers. he's trying to rally his party, because they're worried about the election consequences of this. they know that the koch brothers are spending so much money in places like north carolina and some of these obscure races nobody is even paying attention to, it's having an appreciable effect on the outcome of the races. they are extremely effective in what they're doing. >> let me ask you about off the record. have any democrats been concerned about the quote "un-american" comments, which is, again, pure mccarthyism. we had chuck schumer on, and he did not want to embrace that term. but he ended -- but off the record, are some of them concerned about this -- these mccarthy -- >> yeah, off the record, they do what they always do about harry reid, he takes it a notch too far, but they like him, because he's sort of dirty harry. he's the one who says in sharp terms what they all wish they

could say, but they would never say in public. yes, they wish he wouldn't cross that line and make it a distraction when you use terms like un-american. they wish to keep it more focused, but they love the idea he's the within taking the lead, taking the fight to the koch brothers, because the koch brothers in north carolina alone are outspending everybody. they are the candidate. they are the campaign. and when they make a difference, of course harry reid will get onto the floor and lambaste them. they're making this whole campaign about one man, and, yes, they spend a lot of money. the one thing that's true is he is orchestrating a large campaign of complex organizations to pump money through 10, 15 different places to affect politics. yes. guess what? it's legal. also guess what? lots of groups on the left are doing it, they're just doing it bigger and better than anybody on the left right now. a couple of years ago, the left was doing it substantially better which is why the koch brothers stepped in and are doing what conservatives could not be happier that they're doing. >> coming up on "morning joe,"

jenna bush hager joins us. and actor billy crudup is here with his latest film "blood ties." first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. we did strong tornadoes in areas of texas. yesterday morning, one near st. louis. eight tornadoes with the mini-outbreak. there's been some significant damage, especially in areas near denton, texas. that's where the cleanup is. that's where we had five injuri injuries, but no reports of any fatalities. that's the most serious storm and the damage resulting from it that you're looking at now. so we're not done yet. we still have the chance of additional severe weather. we don't expect anything too bad today. we have a couple of tornado warnings. they're doppler-indicated, so they may be out there, or it may be a spin in the clouds. now, louisiana is the target area, south of alexandria, a strong line of storms. it could kick down towards baton rouge or lafayette in the next hour. the severe weather risk does go to atlanta late today. also montgomery, alabama.

but again, it's not widespread. more isolated in nature. and then, taking you through the snow forecast, there's still about 30 inches on the ground in duluth, you had 6 inches with this storm so far. minneapolis, right around 6 to 9 inches. so the north side of the storm wasn't any fun. showers in the northeast, and as far as the rest of the country goes this weekend, we're looking at a pretty nice weekend with the exception of being down along the gulf coast, the southeast on sunday, with rain. we leave you with a shot of snowy -- can you believe this? -- first week of april, and this is what it looks like in minneapolis. yuck. have a great weekend. you're watching "morning joe." [ male announcer ] nearly 7 million clients.

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let's take a look at the morning papers. from our parade of papers, "the dallas morning news," military officials say there was nothing that would indicate that army specialist ivan lopez was suicidal in the weeks leading up to the shooting spree. he was being treated depression. get this, he was takie ining am for help sleeping. he bought his gun at the same store that nidal hasan bought his there. i put the amban in parentheses, because i think that will be significant. -- he started asking a witness about the pentagon's budget. >> what is it you're trying to accomplish and what are some of the consequences of that going to be to the current dfas

system, location of personnel, et cetera? >> under secretary colon, i just wanted to -- >> i just got a note saying i'm at the wrong hearing. >> oh, okay. >> i've got the right room number. but the wrong hearing. >> well, that would explain why i didn't know anything about this letter. [ laughter ] >> well, this is the% time it's ever happened to me, but i hope it's not a precursor of -- >> you're always welcome in our committee. >> well, thank you. i saw some familiar faces but i thought -- i'm going to let you off the hook on this one. >> thank you, senator. >> all right. i hope you're able to respond as quickly as the undersecretary of the army is willing to respond. i'm going to go find out where i'm supposed to be. >> okay. after realizing his mistake, senator coates realized he had to be at a hearing down the hall, scheduled for an hour later. >> what do you think of that -- >> if the people who worked for

you -- rachel -- there is not one person i can think of who would make you show up at the wrong hearing -- now you, yourself, would show up at the wrong hearing. >> i would. >> your staff would never let you. ever. >> if i even showed up. no, no, but that is a good point, though. you got to wonder about the staffing -- >> who works for him? he feel so badly for him. he looks like a nice guy. and his staff has him show up at the wrong hearing? really? do you know how busy these people are? they're moved from here to there, they're on the phone, doing everything, that's what your team does, gets you in the right place at the right time. an hour early and in the wrong room? >> so we sit here laughing, and what people don't realize is you were given at the beginning of the day -- >> i worked for a senator. >> -- a long card, and yore life is cut up in five, ten, 15-minute increments, and you're flying around, and when you're in a committee hearing, you're doing paperwork for another hearing. >> -- when i was 16 years old, i wouldn't -- i couldn't mess up that bad if i tried.

>> the question, jim, is -- she brings up a great point, the question is, how did the staff allow him to sit in the wrong hearing for an hour, and even as a lowly congressman instead of a senator, there was always somebody around. if i had been in the wrong place for five minutes, they would have pulled me up. >> i showed up on "f "fox & friends" earlier before coming -- >> really? what was your first hint? >> you were great. >> you were great. >> it's terrible. >> why are you letting him off the hook? he was there for an hour. you don't know where you are? >> how can the other senators didn't notice? >> because it's awkward. you know why? >> -- you're not on this committee. >> the guy looks stupid, and he's not. these men and women on capitol hill go rushing from thing to thing to thing. they're on phones, they're on blackberries, incoming

constantly all day. your staff gets you to where you're supposed to be. and while you're where you're supposed to be, you're doing ten other things, okay? that poor man was completely screwed by his staff. and looks stupid. >> it almost looks as if he has an entire staff of t.j.s. >> exactly. >> you see one of me, that's t. >> how does that happen? sir, you're at the wrong -- >> no, really -- >> let me slip you a note? >> five minutes is one thing. an hour is -- i think -- i'm not sure it's entirely the staff. i have to say, it makes you wonder how much senators are concentrating on the content of their hearing. >> can i ask that question for you? >> yeah, go ahead. >> can i answer that question for you? very, very little. because when they go in, there's one or two bits of information that they need. and if you've ever had to sit and listen to other politicians ask boring, stupid questions at a committee hearing for two or three hours, you would learn it makes sense to tune out and work

on things -- >> you have to. >> -- back in your district or in something that's going to help your constituents, while they're rambling on about something that helps their constituents. >> why don't we use this to change the reputation of congress? maybe it's the way all committees should be done. you're randomly put in front of a congressional committee not knowing the topic. it's a pop quiz. fun again. >> let's get michael steele really quickly. whose fault? the senator or the staff's? >> oh, this is total staff. total, complete. without recitation. -- hesitation. you know this, you typically have staff -- you see in the hearings the staffers sitting behind them, so the question you have to ask, where was the staffer typically with him, going from meeting to meeting? this was a ball dropped by the staff, particularly for an hour. it's crazy. the senator was embarrassed. he played it off as nicely as he could. but at the end of the day, his staff needs a kick in the

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dominic chu is joining us now. we have the unemployment numbers in. how do they look? >> they look pretty much in line. on average, wall street economists were expecting 200,000 jobs created. the actual number is 192,000 jobs. again, 192,000 jobs versus expectations for a 200,000-job gain. the unemployment rate stays steady at 6.7%. 6.6% was an expectation by some economists, but again, it stays steady at 6.7%. we are seeing a little bit of market action here. it's mixed so far. but you're getting the indication right now that at least job gains are coming, perhaps at some of the pace that some economists were expecting. but overall, what you've got is just about a 200,000 job gain per month over the first three months of the year, and again, this is important, because what it does do is give a better indication of whether or not bad weather was at the heart of some of the bad -- the -- the economic data, if you will. >> do you think this -- how do

you think this will goose the market for the beginning of q2? >> it's interesting, because whether or not it gooses the market or not is going to be a key, at least speculation, because the fed is going to be involved no matter what. >> right. >> what the fed has to determine is whether or not the employment data says that we have sustainable growth. if they do, then we could see, again, an easing back of quantitative easing. the bond-buying program, stimulus gets reduced. if that's the case, maybe it signals the economy is better than some had anticipated. remember, the spring season will be key as people get back off this winter, kind of winter freeze, and spend some of the money. >> dominic chu, great to see you. have a good weekend. >> same to you. so this is head, right? >> i'm very exciting, right? >> yeah, returning to civilian life. jenna bush hager joins us with the latest artistic endeavors of the 43rd president of the united states who also happens to be dad. "morning joe" coming up next.

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♪ ♪ do you think you got gameby? did he see it? >> no, i didn't show it to him, because mother would see it, and then -- >> did anyone go for it? >> no telling what she would say, yeah. >> you had not seen it up until this moment. so let us put the portrait of your husband up that your son painted. what do you think? >> that's my husband? [ laughter ] i really like it. >> gammy, come on. >> i like it. >> what do you think? did he get to the soul of gamps? >> i think maybe he did. maybe he did. >> you like it? >> pretty hard -- i like it. >> all right. so she was sweet in the end. i mean, she gives jeb problems about running for president. >> why did we have to bring that up?

>> no, i was going to say, her other son problems about painting. that's really good. but all the bush women, all the bush women are tough, because off-camera, i go, he's really good. and you're, like, he's not as bad as he could be. >> two years in, after never painting before -- >> oh, my god, unbelievable. >> it's pretty amazing. >> if i told my kids at 50 i would start painting, "dad, please, keep it to yourself." this is pretty remarkable stuff. >> it's pretty remarkable. two years ago when he told us that he was going to start this, we were shocked. until then, he had never picked up a paintbrush. now at the ripe age of 67, he's discovered a new passion. in his first ever exhibit, he reflects on his other life as president. you are seeing these portraits for the first time -- or actually now the second time -- and if they are watching, so are the world leaders he painted. this is pretty exciting. >> well, it's -- yeah, who would have thought it? >> not me. >> not me. >> so you started off with a self-portrait.

>> yeah. >> you think you got to the soul of you? >> of me? you're going to have to ask people who know me better such as yourself. this is an improvement from the first one i did of myself. >> the one in the backup? >> well, the one that makes me look like alfred e. newman. >> you painted some of the leaderilead lead leaders with. here's your good friend tony blair. has he seen this portrait? >> i don't think he has. no telling how they'll react. i think i told tony i was painting him, and he sort of brushed it off, so to speak. >> no art pun intended. >> that wasn't art pun. >> okay. was he shocked? >> yeah, like a shock, you painted my portrait? i like it. because it conveys a compassionate person and a strong person, and a reliable friend. >> reporter: this artist says his exhibit filled with paintings, photos and mementos is about friendship as much as it is about art, and each

portrait as to claim the unique personalities with whom he served. >> putin. >> yeah, i got to know him very well. i had a good relationship throughout. it became more tense as time went on. vladimir is a person who in many ways views the u.s. as an enemy, and although he wouldn't say that, i felt that he viewed the world as either the u.s. benefits and russia loses, or vice versa. i tried to dispel him of that notion. >> reporter: could you tell from the very beginning he was interested in power, and there's an anecdote you've written about that's symbolic of that. >> as you know, my dear, our dear dog barney, a special spot in my heart, i introduced him to putin. putin kind of dissed him. like, "you really call that a dog?" a year later, your mom and i go to visit vladimir outside of moscow, and he said, you like to meet my dog? out bounds a huge hound, much

bigger than a terrier. and he said, bigger, stronger, faster than barney. >> and you thought, is this -- >> i thought, well, anybody who thinks my dog is bigger than your dog is an interesting character. the painting reflects that. >> reporter: paint something a newfound passion inspired by a diplomat from another era who took up the hobby when he left office. >> i was inspired partially by winston churchill. he wrote an article called "painting is a pastime." i wanted to make sure the last chapters of my life were full. >> reporter: he originally started with our pets and moved on to landscapes, but his favorite by far? the man he admires most. >> dad. i like the painting i did of dad. as you know, i love him dearly. >> reporter: any tears when you were painting him? >> a little bit. you know, just thinking about him. he's a kind man. you know, he's a great listener, as you know. >> reporter: mm mm. >> and when it came down to

foreign policy, he was a master at befriending people to find common ground, and the way he did so was through personal diplomacy. i watched him carefully during his presidency, always admired him as a man. it was a joyful experience to paint him. i painted a gentle soul. >> you know, jenna, one of the great ironies of this is your mom, for years, you said, tried to drag your dad to art museums. >> yeah, my mom loves art. >> he wanted nothing to do with it. >> yeah. >> talk about how she encouraged him to do this. she saw the talent. >> yeah, a couple of years ago, she d he would communicate through this app, and he only communicated through his art. so he would draw a stick figure and say, flying to arizona, or something. and, you know, as a text message to barbara, me, my mom. and my mom said, that's pretty good, it has movement. and at the same time he read that essay by winston churchill.

and he said, you know what, i've got a lot of time on my hands. you've gone from being the busiest man to having this extra time. >> right. >> and ironically, he's not the only president that's taken up painting -- >> i was going to say. so many have. of course, ike did. >> jimmy carter. >> jimmy carter did. there must be something -- >> well, i think it's therapeutic. i mean, i know, he said it's therapeutic for him. he spends hours up in his man cave, which used to be his man cave, now an art studio. they're building an art studio at the ranch. it's become a true passion. >> jenna, in watching this, which was very fun, because you take a self-deprecating approach with dad. as we know, this gives another side and dimension to your father that we were certainly unaware of. how do you think this has changed your dad since he left office? >> it's really funny, he says that. he says it's using a part of his brain he's never used in his life. he said it's really opened his mind. he said that in the interview, that he feels like he's opened to all of these things. he never even thought of. he actually takes classes, not

only with an instructor once a week, but he also does the momo courses online to study court history. >> does he really? he's digging into this? >> he said it also teaches older people in the age of retirement you can teach an old dog new tricks. >> certainly. >> okay, so you're in trouble. because you've talked about older people in describing your dad. you said the ripe old age of 67. i look at your dad, and maybe you can't see this, because he's your dad, he's, like, one of the youngest. i remember we announced that, like, he was turning 67, and i remember we stopped and looked at each other. this guy is young, vital. he is in great shape. >> he is, although one of the things that was taken out of the interview is that after he had the heart stint, the problem with his heart, he had a whole skull series. he painted all of the skulls at the ranch. he said, of course, the art critics will think it was, like, some psycho babble about him

facing death. yeah, he's young and he's active and he's great. but he's 67. you know, it's -- it's a midage i think, now. >> he can go to the darker places as well as the light places. >> yeah, like his blue period. >> has he done you and barbara yet? >> he hasn't. he painted my mother, and he learned never paint your wife. >> oh, my lord. >> because she was, like, oh, my cheeks really that big? of course, it's a woman. but he did, and i can't wait to see it, just painted my daughter. >> oh, wow. >> did he really? >> it's on its way to me right now. and he painted my cat. >> how did he do with the cat? >> he was a pet portraiter first. that was -- >> i know. >> the cat was pretty excellent. if he can do putin, he can do bernadette. >> yeah, i'm sure bernadette is a very big cat, very strong. >> yeah, exactly. >> that cat would scare putin's dog. >> i don't know, the story behind your dad and the shower, the first portrait. >> yes. >> the self-reflection. >> yeah. so he painted and he said this

in the interview, too, he painted it to shock his art instructor and his mom. but he also wanted to learn about water hitting water, so he painted this portrait of him in the shower, the bathtub. of course, our e-mails got hacked, and that was the painting that was taken. and he was mad. he said in the interview, too, i was really irritated that it was -- that our e-mail was hacked, because it's an invasion of privacy, but also, i wasn't ready to put my art out there. >> i was going to say, seriously, as an artist, something he was working at, that is -- it's just not a violation of privacy, but as an artist, you're developing and you're moving forward, and to have somebody pull that out and then throw it out there -- >> well, he was reluctant even to do this exhibit, because he doesn't want people to think that he thinks he's some sort of great artist, because he's two years in. he doesn't feel like a great artist. he feels like a learner. and i think he did it because he wants people to come to the bush center and know what they're about. but he was -- he's a vonable artist. >> he really is.

when i was kid, my mother brought me to an exhibit, on the upper east side, one of the first times i came to new york, and an exhibit of winston churchill paintings, and i loved history, read about churchill, and so fascinated by it. i know years from now, there will be a young kid that comes new york or some other city, or dallas, and this -- >> yeah. >> it's really revealing. >> as long as they're not sold on ebay first. >> exactly. >> all right, jenna, thank you so much. >> thank you, guys. >> always great to see you. >> thank you. good to see you all. before we go to break, we want to recognize a painful anniversary for a nation today, on april 4th, 1968, 46 years ago today, dr. martin luther king was shot and killed at the lorain motel in memphis, tennessee. the civil rights leader was in the city to support black sanitation workers who had been on strike just the day before his assassination. dr. king, of course, delivered one of the most moving speeches of his career. >> we as a people will get to the promised land.

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>> are you kidding me? >> that was really fast. that was the trailer for the new crime film "blood ties." the movie's co-star is billy crudup. great to have you back. >> nice to be here. >> you are diametrically opposed to your brother, who is clive owen, in this film. >> that's correct. >> explain the balance of power going back and forth, because you get sucked in pretty quickly. >> it's true. the trailer exhibits all of drama in that movie. it's a family drama. i guess it doesn't take much to make a family drama, because as we know, families are pretty dynamic places for people to fight and make up. but in this one, there is an added drama where one of the brothers is a cop and the other brother is a criminal and he's getting out of jail. and then hijinks ensue. >> oh, my goodness. >> it's not your typical thanksgiving dinner movie, right, for family drama? >> it's perfect for

thanksgiving. >> good sell. good sell. great cast. >> terrific cast. >> tell us about it. >> kione kone is a terrific film director, and he and marion have been together for a while, and we were together in "big fish," so the opportunity to get to work with her again and giaum, who was a thrilling, young artist to be around, in addition to clive and james caan, you know, i've always been a fan of james caan. so the chance to get to work with him and zoe y saldano. >> oh, you've just got -- >> yeah, it's great to work with people you know, and people you've worked with before. because that intimacy and that kind of being able to finish each other's sentences or

thoughts when you're creating, you know, collaborating, becomes all the easier. >> no question about it. yeah, i was very fortunate in this experience. >> so the film is set in the 1970s, and apparently part of t it -- it's goal is to be authentic and realistic. what's the connection in the 1970s to the story, which seems like of a timeless story that could be set anytime? >> well, the director -- this was a remake of a french film, and gillaum played the part i played in the french film. he was desperate to do a new york story set in the '70s. he was a big fan of so many of the fill s, "dog day afternoon," and "serpico" and all of the rich life happening in manhattan, this rich romantic brought to life. a big portion was his desire to enter into that world. >> meanwhile, you and clive both

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they don't know it yet, but they're gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, [ children laughing ] move to the country, and live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married, they'll find some financial folks who will talk to them about preparing early for retirement and be able to focus on other things, like each other, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. ♪ hey, welcome back to "morning joe." it's time to talk about what we learned today. thomas, what have you learned? >> jeremy wade taught me something. >> really?

>> what's that? >> i'm going to avoid swimming in argentinean waters. >> it could be dangerous. almost as dangerous as taking a couple days of maternity leave off if you're a man and work for mika. >> apparently, both things are -- >> a new baby. >> you are nostalgic for the good old days where people in the senate were nice to each other and behaved in a civilized fashion. >> because you were such a sweet thing. >> yes, i am. what did you learn? >> i learned that we cannot be late for chuck. so just take it away. have a great weekend, women of the world this weekend. >> something like that? if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stay tuned for chuck todd and "the daily rundown." have a great weekend, and as always, thank you for your patience. a march to the beat of the same drum. the latest jobs report out just minutes ago shows the unemployment rate unchanged and a decent but underwhelming increase overall in jobs added. we'll have the first reaction from the white house coming up later this hour.