moving fast enough, and who's being left behind? we'll talk politics and pocketbook. a tornado warning is set to expire in tennessee right now, but severe weather did damage there, and across several central states. it's a sobering reminder tornado season has arrived. paternity now. the debate over the importance of daddy time after a pro ballplayer skips opening day to see the birth of his son. everybody has an opinion, and as of this morning, one person has an apology. good morning, i'm chris jansing, we're getting new insight into the army specialist who fatality shot three people at ft. hood this week. family and friends have come to the same conclusion as military officials. there were no signs to suggest ivan lopez would become violent. people did know, however, he was unhappy because the army didn't give him as much leave as he wanted for his mother's funeral. >> he was upset, but he didn't

show that he was upset. he was like, yeah, i have ptsd. i said, well, what happens when you have ptsd? he said, sometimes i shut down. >> i never thought something like this could happen. you never are going to think your best friend is going to be involved in something like that. >> officials did confirm last night a verbal altercation may have preceded those shootings. mick, what do we know this morning about the argument or anymore new information? >> you know, that's the big question all investigators are trying to find, just what was the motive behind this shooting spree on the part of specialist lopez? now, what we're hearing now, look, he was upset about not being able to spend enough time at his mother's funeral, having an altercation, some believe that those were triggers to a much larger problem. and what's interesting is that the idea that he would have ptsd, he was deployed in iraq for four months as a truck

driver, sought no combat operations whatsoever, but those familiar with ptsd say it doesn't necessarily mean you have to be exposed to combat, so since he was seeking psychiatric help, and as you mentioned, this psychiatrist said, look, he didn't appear to be a threat to himself or anybody else, so no alarm bells went off, there must have been a deep-rooted mental problem that caused him to blow up like this. >> nbc's jim mykola chef sky, thank you, mick. we're also learning more about the victims. 37-year-old sergeant timothy owens was a counselor who tried to calm ivan lopez when he was shot five times. he was the father of two teenagers, his mother spoke to nbc. >> i can't believe this has happened. i just can't. very proud of him. because he was fighting for our country. >> names of the other two

victims who were killed have not been released. three people hurt are doing better, upgraded from critical condition to serious. ft. hood is planning a memorial service for next week. i want to bring in msnbc military analyst jack jacobs. good to see you, jack. >> good morning, chris. >> a lot of similarities have been drawn between this and 2009, a shooting also at ft. hood. there have been a number of reviews done. bottom line is, just two weeks ago defense secretary chuck hagel said there are troubling gaps in the ability to protect service members and employees on bases from internal threats. >> yeah. it's a multifarious problem. you have people in the military in uniform and you have to be able to identify them when they have problems, identify them quickly, and treat them or take them out of the population. that can't be done quickly. it's difficult to identify them. it's even more difficult and time consuming to treat them and

get rid of them if you need to get rid of them. >> and you have this enormous base, 50,000 people on there on any given day. in addition to that, like almost any military base, you constantly have people, at least over the last decade or so, who are either leaving for deployment from a war zone, coming back from a deployment to a war zone. by nature of being on one of those bases on a time of war, the stress levels and the number of people who feel stress related to that has got to be extraordinary. >> well, that's the really difficult physical security problem. at a small post it's very easy to secure the place, few people coming in and out. not much in relationship between the post and the surrounding community, but at a place like ft. hood, the single largest military post on u.s. soil, you've got hundreds of thousands of people there. you've got a relationship with

texas that is intertwined. there's no physical way you're going to be able to physically secure that post. >> you can't pat down every person, you can't search every car. it would take hours for everybody to get on to the base. >> it's a physical impossibility to secure it 100%, therefore, prudent commanders have to be prudent in how much risk they are going to take. >> i also want to bring in john lott, author of "more guns, less crime." good morning. >> good morning. i'm no longer with chicago. i'm president of the crime prevention research center. >> thank you for that correction. crime prevention research center, and i know you support the argument made by the head of the homeland security committee, by lindsey graham, others on the congressional side to allow military personnel to carry weapons on base. what do you think in a situation like this that would accomplish? >> well, i agree with what the colonel was just saying. it's very difficult to identify people who might be problematic.

you talk to any type of mental health professional, their guesses they have to make, there's no way they can identify everybody perfectly. you have other types of threats from terrorists. you look at the report that the obama administration put out a couple weeks ago on the navy yard shooting, they only concentrated on trying to identify people with mental health issues, but what if that fails? what's your backup at that point? and military police are important. obviously, they try to guard the entrances, but you have a city, essentially there, and their job is similar to police in any city. nobody expects police to instantly be on the scene if something happens. and minutes or seconds can matter in these types of instances. just like there's benefits for people to go and defend themselves off base. i just had a son who just returned from deployment in afghanistan and they kept their weapons with them.

there had been a number of attacks by afghanis on military bases in afghanistan, and they understood the importance of being able to quickly respond to problems when they occur there. it's not obvious to me why we'd want to have a different set of rules here. when you ban guns, the problem is the good soldiers who abide by the rules, the killer knows he has an advantage. he's depending upon everybody else to go and abide by the rules and be disarmed. >> as a matter of fact, we talked to a now retired sergeant, one of the folks who was shot, and in his case he was shot seven times during the 2009 shooting. he agrees with you. he thinks he can make a difference. i just want to play that sound. >> it had it been where other people would have had guns on them at that time, i don't think he would have reacted the way he

did. he was using that weapon as a tool to let them know, hey, i'm in trouble, i need some help. >> colonel, a couple things. to john's point, he says the killer knows he has an advantage. this isn't a school. the folks on the base are not people who don't know how to use weapons, presumably if they are military they've been trained to do it. what's your concern? >> well, there are several issues here. the first is, whom do you arm? you arm wives, dependents, it's absolutely a ludicrous suggestion. the situation that existed at ft. hood the other day in a circumstance in which everybody has weapons could very easily result and probably would have resulted in an enormous mass fratricide and you would have this all the time. the second problem resolves around the notion that civilian life or military life on a

civilian post is just like combat. anybody will tell you the two are nothing at all alike, it's the environment that makes a difference, and in combat, everybody is armed. these sort of incidents are extremely rare. arming everybody in a civilian situation like at ft. hood would result in a terrible, terrible tragedy, larger than this one. and the third point resolves around the notion that a shooter, the assumption is the shooter values his own life more than he does carrying out what he's going to carry out, and, therefore, he's not going to do it if everybody else is armed. complete nonsense. we saw with lopez, for example, he killed himself. and the large majority of mass shooters do exactly the same thing. >> john, you're shaking your head. >> look, i've studied these multiple-victim public shootings. 75% of the time they die at the

scene. there's nothing unique about this case in terms of that. i agree with the sergeant you had on the tape, when people go and commit these mass public shootings, they are trying to get attention. look at the newtown, connecticut, case. lanza in that case had put together a spreadsheet that was 7 1/2 by four feet, excel spread sheet, the amount of media attention they got and grafted out showing the ones that killed the most people got the most media attention. you see that time after time. >> we don't have any indication that guy did this, and it wasn't, obviously, adam lanza had nothing to do with the military base. >> i understand, but when the colonel was saying that this person wanted to live, you know, that's the reason why you stop these guys, the reason why you stop them is that frequently they want to go and get media attention by killing as many

people as they possibly can. if you can limit that, you can two and deter them from committing these types of horrendous crimes. >> how do you deter them, jack, ahead of the fact? if chuck hagel came to you and said we need to figure this out, we've had the studies, know what the problems are, we need to know from the inside how we make this better, how we make this less likely, how are you going to do it? >> no solution is going to be absolutely perfect. you're not going to be able to deter somebody hell bent on doing damage. what has to happen is that prudent commanders have to be prudent. there's a certain amount of risk that is attendant to all human endeavors, including living day to day, and there's a certain amount of risk of being in uniform. a commander, somebody responsible for the training, families, the lives of very large numbers of people have to decide where the risk is and what the reward is. arming everybody on post seems

to me a very foolish response. be quiet. a very foolish response to a problem that needs a solution, but this is not the solution here. please, don't be rude. >> earlier you were talking about -- >> please, don't be rude. >> let him finish his statement. >> be quiet. arming everybody on post and the intended danger in doing that is not a solution to protect the lives of people who serve and sacrifice for us. now you can say what you want to say. >> very quickly, please. john? >> there's a lot of hyperbole that's here. nobody's talking about arming kids, as you were mentioning earlier, or arming all civilians. this is a military base and nobody's saying you have to go and have everybody that's armed. just the fact that some people might be armed there, not just depending upon the military police, there are lots of different types of options that one can go and talk about, but

the current rules mean that the killer knows that he's not going to be facing opposition there and that makes it not only encourages him to go and engage in that type of attack to begin with, but makes it much more successful. >> no responsible commander would ever agree to arm all on post. that's all there is to it. i've commanded lots of troops, in and out of combat. >> thank you so much, we appreciate it. time to check the news feed this morning. a tornado watch just expired at the top of the hour for the entire state of tennessee. the severe weather threat has moved into the southeast after eight tornados caused damage from texas to illinois yesterday. several people were hurt, none seriously. the storm system produced strong winds, heavy rain, hail, and flash flooding. firefighters had to rescue this man from his pickup truck after getting caught up in a flash flood in missouri. check out this photo on twitter of a tornado moving

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the latest jobs report shows some steady improvement with 192,000 jobs added to the economy last month, slightly below projections of 200,000. the unemployment rate remains unchanged at 6.7%. those new numbers come in as democrats confront two big challenges right now. first, the supreme court decision allowing wealthy donors to contribute to as many political candidates and campaigns as they want. a second is a huge gap between republican and democratic enthusiasm for obamacare favoring the gop, despite this week's positive enrollment numbers. joining me now, dccc chairman and new york democratic congressman steve israel. good morning. >> thanks for having me on. >> you spoke this week at the

national press club and called this a tough climate for democrats. how tough is it right now? >> it is a tough climate, but it's going to be tougher to be a republican running on the budget they just produced, which stacks the deck for the special interests and turns their backs on the middle class, so i'll give you an example, if you are a middle class voter in any one of the districts that we're competing in, you get a $2,000 tax increase under this house republican budget. if you're a millionaire anywhere in america, you get a $200,000 tax cut. that's a defining issue. those priorities are all wrong, and we're going to run on our priorities to expand the economy, versus theirs, to protect the special interest on the expense of the middle class. >> let's talk about their strategy and start with the obamacare enthusiasm gap. here's what politico's analysis is. "in races across the country, democrats and their supporters are tailoring campaign ads in a

way that distances the candidates from the health law's problems, casts them as potential saviors and warns of dire consequences if republicans are back in charge." that includes ann kirkpatrick, mary landrieu, mark begich, mark warner. given that climate and given how strongly and for so long the republicans have gone after obamacare, clearly when you look at the polls to some success, is the best answer for most people just to talk about obamacare as little as possible? >> no, the best answer is to talk about how we can fix and improve the affordable care act. where it can be fixed and improved. >> would you agree that's a more nuanced and difficult argument to make? >> no. there are two things we need to do. first, politico cites data and poll. i'll tell you what polling tells us, 60% of voters want to either

keep, fix, or improve the affordable care act. 22% favor repeal. that's number one. number two, when people realize what repeal means, and we're going on offense on this, when voters realize that what the republicans want to do is repeal the whole thing so that if you're a woman and you have breast cancer, you lose your insurance again. if you're a senior, you pay an additional $1200 for prescription drugs. if you're a student, you get kicked off your parents' health insurance. when people understand what republican repeal means, they are more angry with republican repeal, so we're going on offense on those issues and we're going to continue to stay on offense on this republican budget, which completely devastates the middle class. >> steve israel, thank you so much. have a good weekend. let me bring in "washington post" reporter nia malika henderson and ken vogel. good to see both of you. let's start with the obamacare issue, since that's where we left off, and can bill clinton

call for democrats to embrace it, in fact, he thinks as we just heard from congressman israel, that, in fact, there is an argument to be made, but is anybody making it and what is it? >> well, i mean, you were right when you put it to the congressman and asked whether it was a more difficult, more nuanced argument to make, it is, and it's tough to make. however, they think that they can couple it with this push for an increased minimum wage and this attack on republicans as being the party of plutocrats and really just interested in helping millionaires and billionaires and come up with a message that appeals to three key demographics that they really need to get out to be able to at least minimize the damage, if not make gains in the midterm election. that is young voters, minorities, and single women, all of whom polls show are amenable to the message of sort of a populous message that emphasizes raising the minimum wage and potentially also the benefits of obamacare, but that's a tougher one to make.

>> nia malika, is that what it's going to come down to here, we're going to see most republicans, particularly in democratic issues go after obamacare unrelenting and talk about the economy, talk about income inequality, something the president has called one of the defining issues of our time, and if that's what it comes down to, who wins? >> that's right. obamacare on one side, a clean argument they've been making that resinates with their base, which is repeal and replace, and then on the democratic side, it's a little bit more complicated, almost like a populous kitchen sink approach to this campaign. along with the things that ken outlined there, they'll also talk about equal pay. they are probably going to vote on that in the senate on tuesday, but again, it's not as compact and easy a message. it's a multi-pronged argument, and i think oftentimes it's harder to make those because you're all over the place, whereas you're going to have a

singular message and national message that republicans are going to be making, and in individual states, somebody like mary landrieu, if you look at her twitter account, for instance, you had the president out there touting these 7 million figures, no mention of that on her account, no mention of that on kay hagan's account, so it's not something they've figured out how to embrace and tell. >> ken, you tackled the supreme court ruling in your latest article. you know, what are the practical effects here as soon as the midterms? >> well, i think you can potentially help the republican party. now, the republican party and republican donors have been quicker to take advantage of some of these recent court decisions and shifts in the legal landscape and raise more money for their candidates and outside groups, but it hasn't always helped. we've seen a lot of very damaging, very expensive primaries on the right. i think we are going to see that, particularly in some of these senate races in north

carolina, in kentucky against mitch mcconnell even, so hopefully, from republicans' perspective, what this decision will do is allow the parties themselves, as opposed to some of these outside groups, to claw back some of the power and money that's migrated outside the system after citizens united. >> and, obviously, the implications can be huge, nia mali malika, for the presidential campaign, but is it more likely to have an impact on the senate side and favoring republicans? >> yes, that's what you saw republicans very much greeting this with a lot of -- a sense of victory really, and democrats saying essentially what breyer said, this is going to open up the flood gates in a negative way. every time democratic donors hear the figures out the koch brothers, $30 million here, in terms of people i've talked to about it, they say sort of what's the point of us even donating, given how far ahead these folks are in the donation race, so i think this certainly

favors republicans and we'll see if democrats can have a comeback and really goose their donor base, as well. >> good to see both of you, thanks. coming up, we'll go to afghanistan. richard engel is voting on the historic election there as a photographer is killed covering the saturday vote. later, he wanted to see the birth of his son, what the mets second baseman got was a debate about paternity lead. it's time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. ray goodman is the owner of new york city's legendary punk clothing boutique trash in vaudeville. jimmie webb is key buyer and salesman. it's his relationship with customers, rock stars, and fans that gives the store its edge over the competition. for more, watch "your business" sunday mornings at 7:30 on msnbc. >> brought to you by american express open. visit openforum.com for ideas to help you grow your business.

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nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel is in kabul. good morning, richard. why target foreign journalists ahead of the election? >> reporter: well, i think this was probably a target of opportunity. a lot of foreigners, especially journalists over the last several weeks, have been killed here. a swedish journalist was killed execution style in the streets of kabul, an afghan journalist was killed at the serena hotel, along with almost all of his family, and then today these two journalists were shot. they were traveling with a convoy with afghan election officials. he we they were heading to eastern afghanistan. this was a protected convoy, they were delivering ballots. when the convoy arrived, one of the local police officers there left his post, went to their vehicle, the two a.p. reporters were sitting in the back of their own unarmored vehicle, and the police officer opened fire, killing anna and wounding cathy.

it's -- the taliban has not claimed responsibility. what's quite significant perhaps is that this afghan police officer then just dropped his weapon and turned himself in. he wasn't shot or stopped by any of the other afghan forces. >> well, the administration has been very clear, that this is afghanistan's moment, an election that they are planning and executing. what are they hoping for, best-case scenario? >> reporter: best-case scenario is a free, transparent process that is relatively quick. there are many candidates. there are three frontrunners. the best-case scenario is one of them wins in an undisputed race, takes over in a smooth transition of power, and washington wants that new government to sign a joint security agreement so that a small number of trainers, perhaps thousands of american trainers, can remain in this country. what they could get, however, is a very violent day, disputed

election, where there is no clear winner. you have to go to a runoff, and we don't have a new president of this country until some time in the summer, which would make it very difficult for u.s. forces to adjust to either have to pull out in the few remaining months of the year, or to reposition themselves and stay on for that new training mission. >> richard engel in kabul for us, where he will be following the election tomorrow. thank you so much, richard. and if you read only one thing this morning, you actually can't even talk about the afghanistan election without understanding just how little is functioning in that country. "the new yorker" has a riveting account of the influence of the taliban, of ballot stuffing. if you want to know more about this, it's up on our facebook page. let us know what you think. ity e and you'll see just how much it has to offer, especially if you're thinking of moving an old 401(k) to a fidelity ira. it gives you a wide range of investment options...

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all of the 8.8 million jobs lost to the recession. check it out. for the month of march, 192,000 jobs were added, the unemployment rate held steady at 6.7%. what do these numbers tell us, though, about the overall economy? let's bring in dan groce, also peter morici. good to see both of you, good morning. >> good morning. >> we also know the numbers this morning were adjusted for the last two months, upward another 37,000 jobs, which brings us to the 8.8 million milestone. dan, should today's jobs report give americans some optimism? >> yeah, i think it's pretty impressive. we have powered through debt default, external shocks, through this horrible winter. the pace is to nobody's liking, given how many we lost, but again, sustained over a four-year period, we started adding jobs back in 2010, have not missed a month since. as you said, the revisions were

up for the previous couple months, 192,000. the macro picture is of a labor market improving, but not to the speed of anybody's liking. >> we also saw the average work week edging up slightly to 34 1/2 hours, strong gains in professional and business services, construction and health care, although manufacturing saw a net loss of 1,000 jobs. peter, what's your take on these numbers? >> well, we're back to where we were five years ago. we have to remember we had five years of population growth, and that's why we have the same number of jobs as five years ago, the percentage of americans are actually working, especially prime-age americans, 25 to 55, is well down now from what it used to be. we really need to have about double this pace of growth, but i'm certainly optimistic that the latter part of this year will show some improvement. what i would caution is i'm quite hopeful the federal reserve will not take this as a signal to lift its foot from the

pedal. i think the economy could use a lot more monetary stimulus going forward. i don't mean they should rev it up, but certainly, they shouldn't raise interest rates any time soon. >> part of the question when you look at this big picture is how are these companies feeling about these numbers, how are they feeling about their own business, income inequality, obviously, a key theme in this year's midterm election and we got another glaring example of that today. take a look at this analysis by "usa today." median compensation by ceos surging to $10.5 million. the median salary climbed 1.4% to a little over $41,000. then look at this number, the number ceos in the $100 million compensation club is growing. mark zuckerberg of facebook, larry ellison, howard schultz of starbuck's, disney's bob eiger, so the question people ask, when

is some of this money going to go into hiring more people, giving more jobs? >> the answer is, not in march. i always tweet, there's going to be a month ceos realize it's their own benefit to pay people a little more. this was not that month. the disappointing thing in this jobs report was the fact wages barely failed to budge. less concerned about the fact those guys are making money, that's how those guys really. i'm more concerned with the fact there is this pathology surrounding wages and refusal, even though profits are at a record high, even though cash holdings are at a record high, even though the stock market is at a record high, they just won't give it up when it comes to paying people a little more, and that would be a huge form of stimulus to the economy. >> and peter, when you look at what the president had to say this week, he went back to the example of henry ford and when he basically doubled wages, how productive his workers became and then he goes fast forward, likes to talk about costco, for example, he went into a sandwich

shop, small business, where they are paying above the minimum wage. why isn't this happening? >> well, simply from what i was talking about before, the supply of workers is so much greater than the demand, and shifts in the economy. if you have a technical skill, then you can earn a lot of money, but if you have a generic education, high school graduate without additional training or liberal arts graduate from a so-so college like the one i went to, your prospects of earning a decent living are not very high. we have hundreds of thousands of college graduates earning minimum wage. on the ceo side, we have the problem of sort of a cartel, they sit on each other's boards and vote each other bigger and bigger pay increases. i was having dinner with one ceo. he said, peter, think about the value i create. i said what if you went down the street, could you start your own company and pay yourself $10 million a year? he looked at me stone faced, they can't. they are taking advantage of the brands of others and frankly a lot of these guys are

replaceable and replaceable at prices that aren't quite so high. >> i wonder how much the president of your so-so college makes and how many people are now googling where peter morici went to school. however, it was a great conversation. do you want to tell? >> i went to plattesburg state college in new york. >> it's beautiful, except for the eight months of the year it snows and is freezing cold. i love plattesburg. thank you so much, peter, dan groce, good to have you here. just moments ago on capitol hill, eric holder told a senate panel his department is looking into a wall street practice known as high frequency trading, or flash trading. >> i can confirm that we at the united states department of justice are investigating this practice to determine whether it violates insider trading laws. the department is committed to ensuring the integrity of our financial markets and we are determined to follow this investigation wherever the facts and the law may lead. >> cnbc's mandy drury is here

with what's moving your money. what exactly is high frequency trading and why should the average retail investor care? >> that's a good question and one here we've been looking into a lot this week, because we do care very much about what's happening to the mom and pops out there, the retail investor and whether or not they are getting a raw deal in this. as you say, chris, the u.s. justice department is investigating for possible insider trading. you know what, they are not the only ones. this comes at the same time security regulators and the fbi are also looking into potential wrong doing for these so-called high frequency stock traders. to get back to what this means, well, there's a concern the ordinary investor are at an unfair disadvantage to these high speed traders, what they are doing is using computer algorithms to give them sometimes even amounts to a millisecond of advantage here, but really doesn't sound like much, but if you're making millions and millions of trades

every single day, it does add up to big profits over time. again, just an investigatory situation right now, we don't know the outcome and if it will mean changes, but at least the regulators are looking into it, which is a good thing. >> mandy drury, thank you so much. we'll be right back with the debate everybody's talking about, paternity politics.

if you've had a coke in the last 25 years, you've had a hand in giving college scholarships and support to thousands of our nation's most promising students. this morning it seems like everybody has an opinion about paternity leave and what it means to be a dad after a couple of radio hosts went after mets' second baseman daniel murphy. he took three days off and missed two games to be with his wife as she gave birth to their first child. those radio talkers thought he should go right back to work. >> c-section before the season starts. i need to be at opening day. i'm sorry, this is what makes our money, this is how we're going to live our life, this is going to give my child every

opportunity to be a success in life. i'll be able to afford any college i want to send my kid to because i'm a baseball player. >> i don't know why you need three days off. i'm going to be honest. you see the birth, you get back. what are you doing the first couple days? one day, go see the baby be born and come back. you're a major league baseball player. you can hire a nurse to take care of the baby if your wife needs help. >> last night after his first game back, murphy said he heard the criticism but defended doing what was right for his family. >> she is too good of a woman for me, so it was a humbling process to see how well she handled it. it was an awesome occasion to see, just, the birth of your son. i can't really describe it. >> i want to bring in craig melvin, host of msnbc live on weekends, krystal ball is co-host of "the cycle" on msnbc. oh, boy. >> good friday. >> we should say boomer esiason has apologized. >> profusely this morning.

>> but what's going on here, craig? >> when i heard those comments yesterday, i immediately thought, well, gosh, maybe there's something wrong with me. maybe this is unusual. >> you took, what, a whole took weeks off? >> and some change, but my faith in humanity was restored throughout the course of yesterday when the backlash started. >> and it did. >> everyone came out of the woodworks and said you know what, this is stupid, a dad should take two weeks, if not more. >> daniel murphy is handling this beautifully, also said in a statement, "she was completely finished, i mean, she was done, she had surgery and she was wiped. having me there helped a lot, and vice versa, to take some of the load off. it felt, for us, like the right decision to make." and then bret herringson, the executive director of the boston college center for work and families said, "women who take leave are seen as bad workers but good mothers, the men are often seen as bad workers and

losers as men." is there a double standard, krystal? >> well, there's definitely a double standard, but it's quite complicated. as he's pointing out, women who take leave, even after they have the baby when they are back at work if they have something to do with their family and they have to leave work early, they are judged. in fact, there are studies that show if you send out resumes exactly equal but one indicates a woman's a mother and one indicates she's not, the woman who's a mother has a lower chance of getting the job. dads, on the other hand, are given different latitude in terms of taking time with their family. they are seen as more responsible if they have children, but that doesn't change the fact there's still a very old-school attitude, if you're a real man, you know, be there for the birth and get right back to work. i was surprised that these were views that these gentlemen thought were still okay to espouse. >> not only that, but i sort of got out of that, that if you make more money, then you really shouldn't take time off. if you play baseball, and daniel

murphy will make $5.7 million this year, and you can afford to send your kid to college, it's less important you be there to support your wife in those early weeks. >> what's interesting about that, i think there's an argument that could be made that, you know, a lot of the folks, a lot of the dads especially that probably should be spending some of the most time with their kids are making the least amount of money. if you really want to talk about the correlation between fathers that spend time with their children the first few weeks and the correlation between that and parental involvement later in life, a number of studies shown that correlation is undeniable. it's very strong. >> if you're making $5.7 million, even if they docked him for the two games he didn't play, that's fine, but if you're living paycheck to paycheck, you can't afford it. >> and this country does not, there are fewer than 13% of american businesses provide paid paternity leave. >> can we look at the statistics versus, i mean, other countries?

i don't know if we had that made, but look. >> 62. look at some of those countries, russia, rwanda, cambodia. >> one of the things to me this whole debate points out is how out of step our public policy is with actual public sentiment. as craig pointed out, there was this huge backlash to the comments, and not only do we not have guaranteed paid paternity leave, which most industrialized nations around the world have, we don't have paid guaranteed maternity leave, so our policies around getting parents to be able to spend time with their children are really abysmal. >> my niece-in-law, my nephew's wife, just had a baby and doesn't get paid. every day she takes off, that's money they are not able to make, so it is a discussion. if nothing else happened out of this, it's opening up the discussion and it's an important one. craig, krystal, have a great weekend. you can catch craig here on msnbc this weekend, 2:00 and

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to politics now, and did you ever get that feeling you're in the wrong place? well, that's exactly what happened at a senate subcommittee meeting on thursday. senator dan coates asked a question about the indiana national guard to a treasury under secretary. sometimes you're only as good as your staff. >> locations personnel, et cetera. >> undersecretary, i just wanted to -- >> i just got a note saying i'm at the wrong hearing. >> oh, okay.

>> i've got the right room number, but the wrong hearing. >> that would explain why i didn't know anything about this letter. >> maybe a senior moment. the senator says he hopes it's not a sign of things to come. you know that selfie big papi and the president? the president may have said cheese, but the white house isn't smiling after it was observed to be a samsung marketing ploy. must have been a tough answer from a spirited red sox fan himself. we knew that former president george w. bush has devoted a lot of energy since his presidency to painting. well, tomorrow an exhibit of his work will open at the president's library in dallas. his daughter, jenna bush hager, gave us a sneak peek, titled "the art of leadership." it includes portraits of several fellow world leaders, from tony blair to vladimir putin. and that wraps up this hour of "jansing and co." i'm chris jansing. "news nation" with tamron hall is next. the latest on wall street's

reaction to the newly released jobs report. tamron also talks to the creator of an app for drivers suspected of dui. i'll see you back here on monday. have a great weekend. ♪ no two people have the same financial goals. pnc works with you to understand yours and help plan for your retirement. visit a branch or call now for your personal retirement review.

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