good news, we have a free epic golf course we have to play. bad news, we have to go to scotland, but that's okay too. >> the bad news, you have to bring me along if you want to go. how about that? >> oh, yeah. >> 87 or whatever. >> way too early. stick around, though. chuck todd, straight ahead. after a huge turnout in afghanistan's election, we go live to kabul as the counting continues and the process gets praise from everybody, from president obama and his predecessor, george w. bush. have things turned a bit in afghanistan? in the meantime, speaking of bush, his younger brother jeb turned some heads in texas with talk of 2016 on his mind. "wall street journal" says his democratic dine he is particular counterpart is freezing the field. plus, kentucky fried pickin. mitch mcconnell's fight has less to do with the national mood and

a lot more to do about mcconnell himself. we're going to go deep into mcconnell's political history. good morning from washington. it's monday, april 7th, 2014. this is "the daily rundown" . busy morning. we're going to kick off with an election. this one a long way away. it may be too soon to declare saturday's elections in afghanistan a complete success. but folks, things went about as smoothly as officials could have hoped for. despite weeks of threats from the taliban, turnout hit record levels, as people decided to go to the polls to pick hamid karzai's successor. not as many protests as folks predicted. and and i want to set the course for the future of u.s.-afghan relations. early estimates put the number at 7 million, nearly 60%, pretty healthy turnout in any democracy. compared to just 4.5 million, for instance, who voted in the last presidential election in 2009.

turnout was so high that officials were forced to extend voting for an extra hour. send more ballots to polling stations. they thought had run out. >> i was impressed. i was moved, personally, as a democrat, coming here on invitation of the afghan authorities to observe these elections, to make an assessment of it, to evaluate them. so i found it an impressive day, and a victory against all those who wanted to mar these elections by violence. >> to secure the election, the afghan government mobilized its entire military and police force. and that number is about 350,000. scattered small-scale roadside bombings and minor attacks were reported nationwide. folks, there were no major incidents, which that in itself is a major accomplishment. by the end of the day, 20 people were killed. of course, keeping the election secure is just part of the challenge. it's still not clear if it's going to be considered a credible result.

we still don't have a full result, of course. back in 2009, about 20% of all ballots were thrown out, due to allegations of fraud. to prevent that from happening again, thousands of election observers were employed to keep an eye on the election and the vote count, which has already begun. in congratulating the afghan government, president obama referred to the challenge ahead saying, quote are, we look to the electoral bodies to carry on their duties to adjudicate the results. people have until the end of today to report complaints, by the way. one of the most prevalent so far is has to do with polling stations running out of ballots. the democratic small d problem which one of the leading candidates, ashraf begany, says needs to be investigated and explained. but so far, widespread allegations of ballot stuffing and fraud have not materialized. of course, the country may have to do this all over again at the end of the may. the assumption is, there is is going to be a runoff. there are eight candidates in the race, including three so-called front runners.

abdullah abdullah who ran last time and lost to karzai and rasual. if none of the candidates receive 50% of the vote, there will be a runoff may 20th between the top two. the u.s. says it's ready to work with them to determine what if any the u.s. mission will be in place in afghanistan beyond 2014. in many ways, the election will go a long way in determining the legacy of america's longest war. so it's not surprising that former president george w. bush who launched the war himself also released a statement about the election, saying, people in afghanistan deserve to live in liberty and are demonstrating their commitment to building a democratic society. joining me now, nbc's richard engel in kabul. richard, are we being too enthusiastic about how this election went? i mean, it seemed to go about as well as anybody could have imagined. >> reporter: well, i think the government here is absolutely putting the best face on it, and

is very enthusiastic. we haven't quite -- i think it's too early to declare it a success, because the votes haven't even been counted yet. both of the two leading front runners, and there seems to be two front runners emerging, are claiming victory. and if that gets out of hand, you could have some potentially rivalries. but it is a very different mood than it was in 2009. i was here in 2009, and already at this stage, we had video of people stuffing ballot boxes, we were interviewing people who were watching blatant fraud. this time, the interviews we're conducting with people on the street and with analysts are that this was far more successful, that afghan security forces managed to control things themselves, that the violence level was about a fifth as high as it was during the last presidential election. but the question now is, will the vote be counted fairly and accurately and will the candidates agree with the result. but compared to the last time,

yes, it's been -- it was far more successful. >> now, you just pointed out, and i've read this too, that abdullah abdullah and raf begany are declaring themselves the top two, that they have probably made it to the runoff. we don't know what they're basing that on, and i'm curious, what do you believe they're basing that on? and second, if they are indeed the top two, then that is a rebuke of karzai, is it not, considering the third candidate we have been talking about was the karzai endorsed candidate. >> reporter: there are three -- there has always been three leading candidates in this. abdullah abdullah, the former foreign minister, who was a close ally of the northern alliance, or part of the northern alliance associated with thetagic movement, that fought with u.s. troops to get rid of the taliban, going back to 2001. the candidate who got -- who lost the election, he felt it was cheated during the last election in 2009.

then ashgaf ghani, a prickly personality, can be explosive personally, a former finance minister. and then karzai's candidate, and it seems that the two -- the finance minister and the former foreign minister are ahead of the -- karzai's -- what appear to be karzai's anointed successor. >> and that should be viewed as a rebuke of karzai, or no? . >> reporter: i think it's partly a rebuke of karzai, but also a rebuke of him. zelmay rasoul, didn't speak very often at all, barely held any rallies. was not well-known. if you ask people on the street, they know who the first two candidates are but if you ask who rassoul is, they say wasn't he karzai's guy.

so didn't get a very enthusiastic campaign. >> well, interesting you're pointing out -- he didn't actually campaign either. richard engel, thanks very much in kabul. today we turn to the tdr-50. and we roll into north carolina. home to what may be, i believe, the single-best bellwether race in the nation for the 2014 midterm election. we made a big deal about the number of different paths that republicans can follow to get control of the u.s. senate in 2014. the north carolina senate race is won that i call my desert island race. it's the one result that i think i can find out if there is only one i could get on my desert island in november that would tell which party has the upper hand nationwide. and here's why. because of out of all the battle grounds the gop is targeting, north carolina, the pure swing state that we've got. colorado, we'll see if it pops up as competitive. but for now, i'm focusing on north carolina. president obama won by 3/10 of a

point. democrats remain a well organized force in the state. and like the rest of the country, north carolina is struggling with a polarized political climate. much of the outrage right now surrounds the issue of voting rights, particularly prevalent with the state's primary coming up in less than a month. before last year, 40 north carolina counties had been subject to a provision of the voting rights act that required federal approval to make any changes in voting laws. after the supreme court struck that provision down last summer, the republican legislature quickly passed a number of new laws that go in effect this year, including eliminating same-day registration, shortening the early voting period. striking down straight ticket voting and requiring voter i.d.s beginning in 2016. critics say these new laws unfairly disenfranchise minorities and have become a focus for a grass roots protest movement known as moral mondays. the group is also focused on social issues, protesting, among other things, the north carolina legislature's position on abortion and some cuts to social programs. keep in mind, folks, north

carolina is probably not as conservative as its current government may lead you to believe. and what we're seeing may be the inevitable backlash when one party controls government and pushes their agenda too far. democrats are in charge for a long time in north carolina, and now we're seeing a backlash that way. the situation has created plenty of headaches for the current governor, pat mccorey, many he made himself. for instance, mccorey made headlines in 2013 to protect the state's economic climate. >> i've made a decision to get off the credit card and -- but i'm willing to work with the president to see what we can do in the future and congress and have ongoing talks about the flexibility that states have in the issue. and i believe in flexibility, because each state has its own unique needs. >> now, the economy isn't mckory's only problem, still dealing with the coal ash bill, which raised questions of whether the governor gave special treatment to a company he once worked for.

but jobs are still a primary issue in north carolina. in february, the state lost more than 11,000 jobs. that's more than any other state in the country. and the number of people working or looking for work has dropped by 64,000 compared to last year. jobless rate is down to 6.4%, mostly due to shrinking labor force. so the question for voters heading into the fall will be whether they're casting ballots based on the national climate, which is not good for democrats or the local one, which might not be good for republicans. if it's the national climate, senator kay hagan may end up paying the price. she is a vulnerable democrat in a red state. her seat belonged to the republicans for 36 years before she beat elizabeth dole in 2008 on barack obama's coat tails. hagan will face off against one of five republican challengers, led by the house speaker, tom tillis and tea party candidate. if tillis wins in the primary, some argue it can help hagan.

has used his legislative record as a kujel against brannen, trying to prove he is conservative. hagan could paint the state's difficulties on tillis if he's the republican nominee, try to get the state unpopularity to the republican more in play. keep in mind, neither hagan nor her republican competitors are well-known statewide, unlike other state races, kentucky for example. no big national personalities here. the party is more likely to dictate the parameters of this race. that's why i call it my desert island race. not all of the action is at the top of the ticket. north carolina has its own set of house races this year. and there is at least one national name trying to break through, "american idol" finali finalist, clay aiken is running and knows full well what people of his home state want to hear. >> we're not running on hollywood values, entertainment values, anything except for what's important to people in this district, jobs, the economy, veterans issues,

education. people want to put their kids through school. these are the things that matter. there is nothing else that matters in this district. >> so that's our tdr-50 focus this week. it's going to be north carolina, one of the hottest swing states in the country this year and probably going into 2016, as well. so stay tuned all week. hope that table-setter helped get things going for you. coming up on tdr, developing news in the search for the missing malaysia air flight 370. officials calling it the most promising lead yet. underwater signals that could be consistent with two black boxes. the cockpit voice recorder, by the way, and the flight data recorder. but before we go to break, a look ahead at today's politics planner. the president going out to maryland today. using another executive order to make a political point on the economy for the midterm. you're watching "the daily rundown" , only on msnbc. we are the thinkers. the job jugglers. the up all-nighters. and the ones who turn ideas into action.

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let's get you caught up on a few developing stories you may be following in the papers overseas this morning. the murder trial of olympianian oscar pistorius, just adjourned for the day, following an emotional first day of testimony by pistorius himself. now, pistorius, who chose not to let cameras film his testimony, did begin by apologizing to the family of reeva steenkamp, the girlfriend who he says he shot and killed accidentally last year. here is audio from his testimony. >> there hasn't been a moment since this tragedy happened that i haven't thought about your family. i wake up every morning, and you're the first people i think of, the first people i pray for. i can't mention the pain and the sorrow and the emptiness i have

caused you and your family. and i was simply trying to protect reeva. i can promise that when she went to bed that night she felt loved. >> of course, this was all about deciding whether pistorius did it on purpose or not. back on the stand tomorrow. turning to the search for the missing malaysia airlines plane. investigators say they have now their best clues yet. teams from both australia and china have detected several acoustic pings over the weekend, about a mile apart. these could be pings from flight 370's various black boxes. ships crews are working to find another signal, so they can see if they can triangulate the exact location and search coordinato coordinators, though, urging caution. >> we would like to be able to tell the families that we found the location, but until we can reconfirm, you know, we should not be too optimistic. >> clearly, this is the most promising lead.

and probably in the search so far, it's the -- it's probably the best information that we have had. >> the plane and its 239 passengers and crew, of course, have been missing for more than 30 days now. and time is running out on those black box ping batteries. they could already be out. we don't know. nbc's ian williams has more on the new challenges of the search from perth, australia. >> reporter: good day to you, chuck. this is being described as the most promising lead yet, but the search coordinator is urging caution. they are today working round the clock to try and reacquire the signal that was spotted twice over the weekend by the u.s. ping locater, which is being dragged along by an australian ship. now, if they can reacquire this sound and better pinpoint where it's coming from, they'll then send a submersible vehicle down to take a closer look at what's down there, to see if they can locate the black box or, indeed,

some wreckage. but they warn, and this is one reason for caution, that the depth there is 2.8 miles. so the vehicle that's being carried by the australian ship will be working right at its limits. now, at the same time, another reason for caution, yet to find any wreckage at all in that area. the search coordinator saying if only we can find some wreckage, it will help determine whether the plane did come down. at the same time, the battery in the black boxes is fast reaching the end of its life, chuck. >> reporter: and that, of course, is the key, ian. thanks for bringing that up. that is apparently only got maybe hours left. well, tonight the ncaa championship isn't the only fight going on right now in kentucky. the latest on mitch mcconnell's blue crass battle to hold his seat. how it's about him and knots not

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so if north carolina is what i think is the closest thing we have to a perfect microcosm of the 2014 political fight between the two parties, no race is going to tell us less about the national environment this year than the senate race in kentucky. in fact, if that race were about the national climate, we wouldn't be talking about a race. but it's -- instead it's about one man, republican senate leader mitch mcconnell. with republicans in the best position nationally they have seen in years, to put mcconnell in charge of the united states senate, mcconnell finds himself fighting a two-front war for political survival in his home

state. the kentucky primary is six weeks from tomorrow. in fact, mark may 20th on your calendar, probably the biggest primary of the year. and mcconnell has been beating the living daylights out of his primary opponent, matt bevin, banked $18 million for the effort. but the anyone but mitch sentiment hasn't been crushed. over the weekend, thousands of conservative activists cheered on bevin along with fellow challenger chris mcdaniel of mississippi who decided to come up to kentucky for this event and failed virginia gubernatorial candidate ken cuccinelli, all at this louisville event sponsored by freedom works. glenn beck announced in a rambling speech that mitch mcdonne mcconnell is as big a change to the country as barack obama. and then bevin challenged mcconnell to debate before the 20th primary. mcconnell has been benefitting from bev's own missteps and the latest for bevin, struggling to explain his appearance at a rally to legalize cockfighting,

illegal under kentucky law. he said he thought he was speaking at a states rights rally, if that's any better. he defended the speech on a local radio show. >> so there weren't roosters pecking at your feet? >> there was literally no fowl of any sort. i take spiders out of my house on a piece of tissue paper and let them free. >> oh, come on. >> i'm not kidding. i've never been to a cockfight, i don't condone cockfighting, but i'm not going to disparage people for exercising their first amendment rights. >> cockfighting and the first amendment. okay. he went on to defend cockfighting saying, quote, the founding fathers, many of them, very actively involved in this. where is little jerry? the primary has pushed mcconnell to the right, most memobly captured by his appearance at cpac. mcconnell doing his best to make this race a referendum on national democrats, trying to use his leadership role as an

asset. the fact is, the real channel for mcconnell, once he gets past the primaries preeventuallitying the race against from becoming a referendum on him. and it's very hard when you're the senate republican leader. i sat down with the journalist who may know mcconnell best. al cross, currently a columnist for the louisville journal and director of the institute for world journalism at the university of kentucky, but covering mcconnell for decades. i asked him about mcconnell's rise in kentucky politics and how it's influenced who mcconnell is today. >> if mitch mcconnell had not won the senate in 1984, about 5,000 votes -- >> very close race. >> if he had not gotten re-elected against a weakened opponent, who was weakened because of some smart strategy by mcconnell -- >> but a surprisingly close race, i think only got 52. >> 4.4 percentage points. after that election, he began to take control of the republican party apparatus in kentucky, and

then we had more close elections. >> right. >> we had the ed whitfield victory in the first -- >> that '94 special. >> the first district was not the special. >> oh, the second -- >> the -- it was a wide margin. it was ten points. because you had low turnout and a morphed the democrat -- >> bill clinton. >> bill clinton. and mcconnell and gingrich worked together on that election. and that was an example of how mcconnell find ways to win by working with who have looks out for opportunities. they had the special in oklahoma two weeks before that. and there was clearly an anti clinton vote out there. and gingrich, who had been approached by mcconnell said let's go. and you had congressional campaign committees, you know, congressman committees giving 3,000 bucks. one for the special, one for the primary, one for the general. let's talk about mcconnell's rise into prominence into kentucky politics. was he always a natural

republican or conservative? because it's odd to me that, given kentucky was a dominant democratic state, wanted to get into politics, why didn't he do it on the conservative side of the democratic party. >> he wasn't raised that way. he was raised from a -- in a business-oriented family in alabama that moved to kentucky. and he was a john sherman cooper type republican. he worked for cooper. he worked for marlow cook. he was coming out of louisville, where you really want to be a moderate republican. he very famously said when he was chosen as chairman of the jefferson county republican party in 1973, that you get things done in politics from the middle, not at either end. >> it's very interesting, because he really is in many ways was a rockefeller republican then. that wing of the party. so he's a child of that wing of the party. >> he went after labor union endorsements, had women who were for him. he had some people on the environmental side who were for him. you know, he was building a coalition in a county that

has -- had been trending red ever since. but once he got secured in the senate, he hitched his wagon to the republican party, wherever it went, and he has moved right as the party has gone right. >> is he ideological in his heart of hearts? what is he? i think some people can't figure out -- i'll tell you this, the white house can't figure him out. president obama can't figure out mitch mcconnell. biden thinks he knows him, but it is very interesting that there is this sense that they don't know him. >> he is ultimately inscrutable. very few people really know the mind of mitch mcconnell. and they ain't talking. he is very much about this as a professional. when you call his home and get the voice message, before he changed it, he would say, this call is about business, please call my office. it's a business. he treats it like a business and aims to be as successful in business as possible. and his ultimate goal is to be the republican -- the majority

leader of the senate. >> and that's it. that's what he wants. >> i think so. >> he wants to be howard baker, bob dole. he's not interested in the presidency, not interested in anything else. he is very much interested in public policy and legislating. and if the republican party suddenly took a moderate turn, i think he would turn with it. >> what -- is there an issue that drives him more than any other? what is -- i always am curious, what's the burning passion for him personally on a given issue? >> well, the only issue on which he has shown great continued passion is campaign finance reform. and that's an issue that nobody else in the republican caucus wanted to lead on. >> right. >> he took hold of it. you know, in 1990, he said he was for the constitutional amendment against flag burning. >> right. >> once he got re-elected, he said, oh, i'm a first amendment guy. i'm against that. and we're for absolute free speech and campaign finance. he used to be for abolition of pacs, for god sakes.

but he has now become the party's leader on campaign issues and helped him get the campaign chairmanship, which led to his leadership position. >> mitch mcconnell, can you imagine him losing a race in the state of kentucky. >> yes. when he ran against bruce lunsford in 2008 after lunsford won the primary, he had a brief lead in the polls. >> and you believed it. it was a real lead. >> i think so. because lunsford had a primary bump and there is no great reservoir of love in kentucky for mitch mcconnell. respect and fear, but not love. there is about 25 or 30% of the republican party base that doesn't like mitch mcconnell. never been their cup of tea. they have never had an opportunity to vote against a credible candidate in a primary. so that's his biggest worry. there's going to be who knows how many people vote for matt bevin. but some of those people will not bring themselves to go to the polls and vote for the guy with an r by his name like they have done the last four or five times. >> well, that's what everybody is wondering and watching.

kentucky, it is a race unto itself, i think insulated from the natural environment, although the mcconnell folks hope that's not the case. al cross, good to see you. >> good to be here. >> i'm glad you're visiting washington. nobody knows the state of kentucky like you. hope you enjoyed that. did that interview a couple weeks ago. speaking of kentucky, even though mitch mcconnell is a louisville guy, the wildcats are driving their way in today's data bank. 7 versus 8. and ucuconn and kentucky in the championship tonight. the highest ever combined seed of two teams in the title game. u-conn and kentucky knocked off eight of the top twelve teams. it's u-conn's undefeated women's team playing notre dame for the title tomorrow night on the women's side, could uconn do it again. championships on the men's and

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read." get ready for a whirlwind week in 2016 politics. we start in iowa, where tomorrow former arkansas governor, mike huckabee speaks at a faith and freedom coalition event. on friday, congressman paul ryan heads to cedar rapids, headlining the lincoln dinner. and we just learned that three other potential candidates, bobby jindal, rand paul, rick santorum, going in june for the state republican convention. they have a new state party chair. a lot of sucking up to do in iowa. meanwhile, hillary clinton will make a west coast swing beginning in portland tuesday. she is launching the first all-women speaker series of the world affairs council and making three stops in california. last week, hillary clinton talked about the pressures women face in political life. >> is there still a double standard in the media about how we talk about women in public life? >> really, tom. i think -- there is a double standard, obviously.

we have all either experienced it or at the very least seen it. >> of course, it's another political legacy which moves toward a 2016 run, making some new headlines this morning. speaking at an event, commemorating the 25th anniversary of his father's presidency on sunday, jeb bush signal that if he does run for president, will he fiercely defend two potential achilles heels in a republican primary. his views on immigration and education reform. bush prefaced his comments on illegal immigration by acknowledging, quote, i'm going to say this and it will be on tape. so be it. >> yes. they broke the law. but it's not a felony. it's kind of -- it's an act of love. it's an act of commitment to your family. i honestly think that is a different kind of crime that there should be a price paid. but it shouldn't rile people up that people are actually coming to this country to provide for their families.

>> bush also defended his support for common core educational standards, both issues potent enough inside the republican party these days that one or more potential primary opponents will feel compelled to use them as an attempt to make themselves look like the real anti establishment candidate. for his part, jeb bush called on the gop to pick candidates that, quote, are organized around winning the election, not making a point. and he said again that he'll make up his mind about a presidential run by the end of this year. . >> can a candidate run with a hopeful, optimistic message, hopefully with enough detail to give people a sense that it's not just idle words. and not get thrown -- you know, not get back into the vortex of the mud fight. can you do it -- in my case, that means can one do it joyfully. the other, is it okay for my family. i don't want to go through that until the right time. and it turns out that not running has generated more interest than if i said i was running. kind of weird.

>> joining me now, the "washington post" dan balz, and rah mitch pa knew are you. okay, dan balz, jeb bush. can you ever run joyfully for president? he's used that line before. nothing that jen said yesterday was news if you've been following closely. he has said he wants to make the end of his year his mark. i think what's different, number one, we view him differently. there is no chris christie. so i think there is a media vacuum he fills. second, his aggressive -- bring it on. i want to talk about immigration and education reform and if it's -- ticks off the republican primary base, so be it. i want to see how bad it really is. >> well, it may also be a trial balloon to see what that kind of posturing creates in terms of a backlash. or if there is a backlash. so i mean, i think he put his cards on the table yesterday. as you say, he said nothing new about the timing of a run or

conditions under which he would run. but in laying out those issues, he addressed some things he will have to deal with if he is a candidate and a way for him to begin to address them now. >> ramesh, what's interesting, he made the -- the defense of immigration reform, the compassionate defense saying, hey, they're breaking the law out of compassion. it's -- evangelical argument. the movement has made similar arguments. it doesn't seem to work in a republican primary, does it? >> you know, i -- 80% agree with you. >> i know you're there and i know -- in many ways, a lot of your colleagues. i don't want to see the whole -- but is -- principally? >> a lot of folks will say maybe we're not riled up by the people crossing but riled up by washington not getting a handle on the problem. >> danielle, when you guys see this, you know, as you're watching, do you think hillary clinton wants to run against jeb bush, or would she prefer -- >> you know, that's a really

good question. i don't know. i think jeb bush in a general election does pose some problems, because of issues. he doesn't seem like your typical sort of right wing crazy conservative. like he has some principled views, and to me when he threw this out there, it's nothing new, but almost like he doesn't need it. doesn't need to be president. >> and that usually makes the most effective presidential candidates, actually. they usually are better candidates, the ones that don't feel like it's the be-all, end-all of their life. >> yes, but you also have to have as he suggested, that passion. you have to have that commitment. you have to be willing to go through what is a very brutal process. and so i think that's what he's weighing. >> well, and i think the tough thing, as we're mentioning, to policy issues he'll have to deal with. there is the whole -- does he really want to have to be stuck defending his brother's record. >> a much bigger problem. >> i think in a republican primary. >> you can win the republican nomination with jeb bush's position on immigration. john mccain did it in 2008. >> not easily.

>> not easily. with a bunch of sort of car wrecks on the side. >> he wants that position. >> and the common core education, that's going to be a bigger problem for mike huckabee than jeb bush. huckabee needs the conservative end of the party if he runs. >> and i want to go back to something with hillary. jeb and hillary, oddly, need each other. their biggest negative is the dinistic issue. >> cancel each other out. >> you put that out there and suddenly it's hillary versus jeb. >> i agree. it will be interesting to see if that actually does happen. and what the dynamics are. is there going to be a hang hankering for something new that pushes either of these guys out. >> the irony to both, neither one represents where their parties are headed. hillary not nearly as liberal. jeb not nearly as conservative where the tea party movement is, and yet maybe on this odd collision course which the middle will be happy about in a presidential election. you do wonder if the bases -- do they want to win enough.

>> interesting thing to me at this point, chuck, though, is that jeb bush has been willing to put out there where he is at odds with his party. we have seen no sign of that from hillary clinton. >> no. she's trying to keep her party united. and i think the left is not demanding it. >> no, that's right. she doesn't have at this point a fight on her hands to win the nomination. >> they don't cancel out first woman versus third bush. it's not a full cancel out. >> that's what you're -- you don't like those odds, do you? >> i think it's negative for the republicans. >> all right. happy monday. good to see you. thank you. coming up, we have a fascinating cnbc report that will shock you. and make you use odd atms now. could your bank's atm be less secure than that sort of sketchy atm that you hear dialing up the phone number at the convenience store? the answer is yes. but first, our tdr-50 soup of the day. from nana's restaurant in durham, they're serving up

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all right. this is a weird one. but tomorrow, many of those old, reliable bank atms are going to become outdated. and those sometimes sketchy gas station or drugstore atms that you hear taking forever to connect to a modem, they're about to become the state of the art sources for cash. cnbc's kayla tausche joins me to explain. i have to say, the last thing i want to do is dip my card in one of those weird atms. but tell me why i should go ahead and do that. >> reporter: well, chuck, they're hardly state-of-the-art, as you and i know from using them. and they are susceptible to criminal activity. you can put a swiper on the back of it and your cards are still at risk. the interesting thing is that behind all these atm facades, we forget these machines are ultimately run by computers.

and starting tomorrow, microsoft is actually phasing out the software that many of the country's 200,000 atms have been using the last 12 years. it's called windows atms have b using for years win e dose xp which is used ont 95% of the atms, and the banks with the deep pockets are buying extensions to keep the security update, and they have to spend thousands of dollars per a tsat keep the upgrades, but chase and wells fargo, and others have said that, they want to protect the customers and make sure that the security is there, but for the regional banks and the smaller banks, chuck, that don't have it in place, your money could be at risk when you go to the atm. >> and kayla, i assume that microsoft did not just announce

this last week. how much time did the banks have to prepare for the new system, and apparently, they are not ready? >> well, chuck, the banks have had several months, and this is 12-year-old operating system, and windows 7 and 8 has been out there for quite some time, and microsoft has given them months and maybe up to a year at this point, but the problem is that they have so many and so expensive that they are slow in rolling them out, butguarding t, but if you have a local bank or credit union, you want to know what security is in place while they make the transition. >> thank you, kayla taushy. >> and it was nathaniel macon at the start of the 19th century, and congratulations to matthew robinson for the answer. and we have a north carolina

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