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pinger locator. tpl. that is strapped to an australian ship -- it's what could possibly be signals to the plane's black box. today it is all about re-establishing those things. once that happens, the navy's mini-subwill be deployed to snap pictures of the ocean floor, which could possibly maybe provide concrete evidence of where the plane ended up? be it nbc's ian williams that's in perth, australia for you. >> it is being described as the most promising lead. the best information in a month of fruitless searching. the search coordinator is urging caution. a u.s. navy device towed hinted an australian ship twice at the weekend picked up under water sounds consistent with the pings from the aircraft's black box. they're now working around the clock to reacquire that signal and better pinpoint its source. the plan then is to send out an

unmanned submersible vehicle in search of a black box or aircraft wreckage. another reason for caution is the complete lack so far of any wreckage that might confirm that location as the spot where flight 370 hit the water. officials warn it could take days to verify if the signal is coming from a black box which in theory has already reached the limits of its 30-day battery life. separately, a british ship equipped with its own sophisticated listening kit is trying to verify sounds picked up at the weekend by a chinese vessel in a different area. back to you, guys. >> ian williams, thank you very much. let's bring in tom costello at the maps. tom, we're glad the search is finally possibly making progress, but the process moving ahead is not easy. >> no, it's not at all. let me show you where ian is discussing. this is the location of the australian and the american navy's finding or hearing those

pings. this is where the chinese heard the pings. this here is a distance of 375 miles. >> if you had two pinging going off at the same time, two pingers, rather, you would have cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder potentially both of those units emitting sounds both at the same time. that's why this is promising, but you heard about the depth of this particular area of the ocean. it is 20,000 feet deep at a maximum, but in this particular area we're told 14,800 feet, but

this is where now this towed pinger locator right here is moving very steadily under the water and listening for anything that might peak its ears, if you lshgs or peak its interest. here's the depth now, a better depth charlotte. come on. there we go. better depth chart of where they're operating. to give you some comparison, there are 14,800 feet is where the pinger locator you're talking about four, five, six, seven times as high as the empire state building. that's how deep that is in that particular area. now, where exactly are the black boxes? that's probably important for us to mention here. the black boxes are located in the tail section here. the section of the aircraft. it's right at the gally. right above the fwally. in fact, it's right about the heads of where the flight

attendants work. why is that important? because it makes it that much more easy for them to identify -- there we go here. right in this area right in here. that's important because when they're trying to identify where the black boxes might be, this is a part of the wreckage that often is intact. that tail area is often intact, or it literally can expel the black boxes. so if they're hearing black box pingers, and that's not established yet, then they might be near the tail section of the plane or what's left of it on the ocean floor, but that's a lot of if's, and there's a lot more still to work through, and so the next process is going to be to drop down that submersible r.o.v., that remotely operated vehicle after they triaction newsing late the pingers, try to drop down that r.o.v. and begin very methodical scanning of the ocean floor right in that particular area, mapping out with sonar the ocean floor and looking for anything that might

be out of place, an anomaly, and they're going to be mapping out the valleys and the rough edges and the mountains or whatever is there and trying to get a good handle on what might there be. keep in mind, very few people are expecting this to be a smooth, sandy bottom on the ocean floosh. it's likely that they're dealing with peaks and troughs and perhaps a rugged and jagged edge and all of that can make searching for this debris, this plane even more difficult, but let's emphasize one more time they don't know yet that they are hearing the plane's black box pingers. all they know is they detect the pingers, potentially two going off simultaneously, and they think he it's highly likely it could be from the plane, but they don't have that established yet. guys, back to you. >> tom costello, thank you very much. let's bring in msnbc aviation analyst john cox, former airline captain and ceo of safety operating systems. john, as you heard tom just say, we think that we heard pings. we're not certain that it's actually from malaysia flight 370.

is this truly a game changing moment as some have said it is, or are we overselling this a little bit? >> i think we need to give it time. we have sounds consistent with the acoustic transmitters that are on the boxes formulation 370. fortunately, one of the ships was able to get and record those sounds for an extended period of time, and i'm quite sure that they have uploaded that data to the manufacturer or to other experts to definitively say is that -- that ping or that click, which is really what it sounds like -- is that from the malaysian 370 boxes? they should be able to tell them that.

sdwlool when it comes to their technology, how is it different than the technology that we are using and the australians are using? >> well, the chinese ships involved were military ships, so their exact capability for hydrophonic listen and what they can do, those are military secrets that the chinese are going to hold pretty closely. to their credit, they have been willing to share the results of it, but exactly how they -- how and what they have utilized to get those results, i'm a little -- i'm not sure the chinese are going to be willing to divulge that or share that. the end result, what's important, is that over 20

nations have cooperated together. we've kept the world's focus on finding this airplane. assets from numerous countries are working together, and i think that says the commitment of the world to find out what happened on malaysian 370. >> john, if we do find the black box, is there enough data recorded there to solve the mystery of what actually happened on board the flight? >> oh, i think so. the flight data recorder has 25 flight hours of about 1,000 perimeters, so everything about the operation of the airplane will be recorded there, so that should -- that should tell us the tail of malaysian 370. >> let me ask you, tom costello is explaining if they do locate these kind of pings then they can go in with the blue fin submarine. it's a very slow process. what does that look like, and what do the crews on the surface do during that slow search?

>> it runs a predetermined route, and records the data, and then it brings it back. in addition, others are going to be listening and trying to understand where the edges are of where you can hear and not hear the pinger, and that way you can begin to localize down and further continually further narrow the search field. then they'll put a remotely operated vehicle down that has the capability of visual cameras and that is where we may be able to see some of the main wreckage debris field. >> thank you for that. up next, something that jeb bush said over the weekend about love has a lot of people talking. plus, president obama's pen is getting a workout once again. cycle is rolling on. it's monday, april 7th already. without standard leather.

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president obama took a field trip outside the beltway this morning. he stopped by a high school in maryland to talk about two of thinks favorite subjects. the economy and education. >> we launched a new competition backed by america's departments of education and labor to start redesigning some of our high schools. we call it youth career connect. >> that competition was launched without congress through presidential action that's gone from a wonky political term to a half billion results when you type it into the old google. that would be executive order getting things done with simply

the stroke of a pen. the president will use that pen once again tomorrow to bar federal contractors from retaliating against employees who discuss their pay with each other. it's his latest effort to close the pay gap between men and women. a similar senate measure was not expected to pass. what the chamber is expected to pass is reinstituted unemployment benefits. those are the ones that congress let expire at the end of last year. then the bill will be sent over to the house where we are told it will have a personal note asking speaker boehner to essentially cut the crap and get this thing to the president's desk. there's never any nonsense when we talk to perry bacon, political editor for "the grew." thanks for being with us. >> good to see you again. >> the president obviously supports equal pay, closing the pay gap between men and women. democrats are also finding that fair pay is a really powerful political issue in a difficult midterm year. >> exactly. it's an issue where you have more than 80% of people agree with their view on the issue

here. pay gap should be addressed pretty strongly. it's an issue even more in the minimum wage, another issue where democrats are running on where pretty much every candidate feels comfortable talking about it. it's an issue that republicans and something that allison grimes and mitch mcconnell. something that really puts the democrats on the right side with the voters, and you are hearing pretty much every candidate, obama is talking about it, joe biden is talking about it. every candidate in senate race on a -- this is one of the issues they're going to talk about through november and could be very helpful because women are becoming the largest part of the electorate, of course, and it could help in key swing states as well. >> perry, let's talk about jeb bush. he is sort of the talk of the town lately, making a little bit of news over the weekend, talking about 2016 and an issue that he cares a lot about, immigration, but in a way that you don't often hear from potential presidential candidates. here he was talking yesterday on fox news sunday. >> can a candidate run with a hopeful, optimistic message?

hopefully, you know, with enough detail to give people a sense that it's not just idle words. the other is is it okay for my family? is it something that isn't a huge sacrifice for our family? it's not a felony. it's a -- it's an act of love. it's an act of commitment to your family. i honestly think that that is a different kind of crime that should be -- there should be a price paid, but it shouldn't be -- it shouldn't rile people up that people are coming to this country to provide for their families. >> perry, what do you thinks his strategy is here? he is talking about immigration, and really a compassionate way, something that is appealing to many mainstream and business-minded republicans who would love the party to take this on, but as we all know, does not play very well in the gop primary, so what is he going for here? >> from what i heard, i didn't hear much of a strategy to me. you saw in 2012 it wasn't particularly helpful for rick perry, particularly, to talk

about -- to be sort of sound like he was pro-immigration. this is not a part where the base feels comfortable with. i wasn't sure what jeb was trying to do in those comments. he made them very frank and very honest, and he also came out for common core, which is an education proposal that's basically a national education standard. that also very unpopular with the conservative base. he sounds to me like someone who wants to be president but maybe doesn't want to run in the republican primary for president where you have to be more conservative than that if you want to do well. >> a lot of people want to be president without the primary. >> it's actually true. i think is he trying to be the adult in the room sort of thing, and use the moral language to try to help push the idea of immigration reform forward, but, you know, really i want to talk to you about the mchutchin decision, which i find rather frightening in temz of its implications for the future. obviously i think republicans will benefit a little bit more than democrats, but ultimately the rich will benefit a lot more than the middle class in terms

of their ability to shape the future of american politics. do you think -- let's talk about the near future. do you think that mchutchin will have a significant impact on the state of the 2014 elections? >> i think we were already in a chase to see how much power we can give rich donors, so i think you'll see more of that. my understanding is already people like nancy pelosi are reaching out to donors and saying, hey, you can give even more money now, so i think you're going to see that, and, i mean, it goes to the fact that a few weeks ago we had four candidates fly to las vegas to get one man's endorsement because of how powerful it is. that's where we're headed to a campaign where we're going to be in a big chance for about 500 or 600 donors who can max out and really determine if your candidate wins or not, and this is really bad for democracy. we already see, this changes the priorities of the country. it means unemployment benefits are hard to pass. shelton adelson's proposals get a lot of the attention in congress and get lindsey graham to support them. that's dangerous. i think you're going to see the

big donors getting stronger and stronger headed toward 2016. >> i think that's right. on the law i think this case was wrongly decided, which is law school code for just saying you disagree with it. what it means to me is that there isn't precedent, there isn't support for this. this is another example of where chief justice john roberts has really changed the rules as they're being played, whether people notice that and how controversial that becomes is i think a test of how much people pay attention to this. citizens united, as you know, perry, has a bad reputation. on the politics, though, to continue out to raise question a little bit, what about the idea here that democrats have tried to position themselves as against these big dollar donors? harry reid making a big play against the koch brothers, and, yet, unless they're going to union lat laterally -- democrats are going to be right in there, as you mentioned, in it is fight, and they're going to actually lose some of their ability to claim that they're more are of the working class party. >> it's really hard to win on

these kinds of campaign finance and campaign -- most voters do not know who the koch brothers are. the democrats can increase the number of voters who do that. still, obama care, for instance, is known much more in north carolina and arkansas and kentucky and viewed more negatively than the koch brothers ever will. free media has done it. it's really hard to run against people who most people don't know. the koch brothers. that means it's not going -- i would argue it's not going to be very effective. eventually the democrats will end up finding their own version of the koch brothers, the soros style people who will give their money as well. i suspect the right tactic is to find your own big donors and get them to give you money to support you, and that's where we're headed. >> well, and i think that it's not inconsistent both to recognize the fact that if you are going to play the game, you've bot to play by the rules of the game, but also want to change those rules. i don't think those two things are unconsistent. perry bacon, thank you, as always. >> thank you, guys. up next, for the first time oscar pistorius in his own words

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night has fallen over south africa, but oscar pistorius probably won't be sleeping very well. while most of us are in bed late tonight, he will begin a second day on the stand in the murder trial against him. this morning the emotion in his voice and throughout the courtroom was unmistakable. >> i would like to apologize. there hasn't been a moment since this tragedy happened that i haven't thought about your family. i wake up every morning, and you're the first people i think of, first people i pray for. i can't mention the pain and sorrow that i have caused you

and your family. i was simply trying to protect reeva. >> nbc's mike taibi filed this report just a short time ago. >> it was high drama and raw emotion in the courtroom this morning when oscar pistorius took the stand and for the first time in his own words began to till his story. the story of his life and ultimately later this week the story about what happened on the morning of valentine's day last year. 2013. he surprised the court, though, by starting out with an apology. he turned to the steenkamp family and said that they were the first people that he thought of and that he prayed for when he woke up in the morning. he said that he wanted to assure them that reeva went to bed that night knowing that she was loved and that he was only trying to protect her. he broke down several times talking about how difficult it's been for him since that fateful night. how he suffered from insomnia, depression. he has taken anti-depressants and sleep aids. even with the sleep aids he often wakes up with nightmare,

full of terror, that he can smell the blood and that sometimes the terror is so bad that he doesn't want to go back to sleep and risk waking up in that condition again. he will continue on the stand tomorrow. still direct examination by his attorney barry rue, and then he will face cross-examination by the prosecutor which could go on for days. oscar pistorius, the only person who knows precisely what happened on that morning, that valentine's day morning, trying to convince the judge that his version of what happened is the truth. mike taibi, south africa. cycling new to afghanistan where votes are still being tallied this weekend after the historic election. it marks the first ever democratic handover of power in the country, despite threats of violence and destruction from the taliban. afghans turned out in record numbers the final tally is not expected for weeks. we to have some preliminary results to suggest voters cast their ballots largely along ethnic lines. what does it mean for the new government and sectarian tension in the region? well, joining us is retired army lieutenant colonel tony shafer,

senior fellow at the center for policy. policy research and robert kaplan, author of the book "asia's cauldron." thank you both for joining us. a mouthful there. let me start with you, robert. we have looking at, as i said, what our preliminary indications that you have. abdullah abdullah, the former opposition leader and ashraf ghani. abdullah ran before once in the 2009 race. what would a victory bieth of these men mean for afghanistan, and of course, for our interests there? >> well, first of all, keep in mind that over the last decade despite the war afghan literacy rates have climbed dramatically, afghan urbanization rates have climbed dramatically. the afghan economy has climbed dramatically. this is a much different country than the one that the united states invaded in 2001, and so you have a far more

sophisticated,anized society. i think anyone who you can hold an election and everyone can cheer, but a country only survives if there are institutions that can project its influence throughout the country, and that is not the case in afghanistan. in terms of these candidates, i think any of them or most of them would probably have a closer relationship, a less rocky relationship with the united states than outgoing afghan leader hamid karzai, who is going overboard to try to show how separated he was from the united states in order to insure his political and even physical survival afterwards. i think any new afghanistan government that's going to be able to accomplish anything is going to have to make deals with warlords. it may even have to make deals with the taliban. well, tony, speaking of the taliban, there were a lot of threats of violence from the taliban in advance of this election, and we don't know all

the details yet, but it looks like the electrics went fairly well, that there was relatively high participation and relatively low levels of corruption. can we fairly view that result as a reputiation of the taliban? >> as discussed, it's a different country. it's more urbanized. kabul has grown dramatically. with that said, the underlying ethnic conflicts and tensions are still there. don't forget, we use the afghan militia force, not the afghan army to defeat the taliban back in 2001. those issues are still there. let me say this very clearly. one of the unk sung heroes is the current commander there. he has taken one of the worst possible situations and has continued to make it work. the question now is it sustainable because underlying all of this are the economic interests of the afghan people. right now much of their economy is based on foreign aid and drugs. 30% of the economy is based on the illegal sales of poppies and all the things that go with

that. ultimately the security issue. these elections were held under a very big security blanket. something which will not necessarily be there after december. i think both candidates, all three candidates, have said they would look at signing this multi-lateral bilateral security agreement which karzai refused to sign. the other option is the zero option which is really what's going to happen in december if we don't sign the bilateral agreement. the security will continue. the afghan militia, military has done well. it's doing well because we're helping it. we're doing it logistically, giving logistic help and that sort of thing, and economic sovereignty. will they be able to sustain the game gains that we've help them make past 2014 and become a stable central democracy, which is i think what we would all like to see. >> sounds like the american elections. it's all about the economy and national security. robert, back to you. this is -- this will mark the first time that we have a democratic and peaceful handover of power in afghanistan, but those sort of moments are really crucial for democracy.

a tradition of calm, fair, peaceful handovers creates a sense in the people that they can vote their conscience without fear. >> yes, it does, but, again, anyone can hold an election. to govern you need to promise people security. people will be loyal to who provides them security, and if the taliban provides them more security in the outlying regions than the new government does, they will be loyal to the taliban. or loyal to whatever ethnic militia happens to be the most prominent in that particular area. afghanistan is a sprawling mountainous country that's very diverse where ethnic -- it's really a very fragile web work of overlapping ethnicities with tajiks and uzbeks in the north with pashtuns in the south and east. the question of whether afghanistan will hold together as a country is something that

this election augers better for, but i'm still not convinced. >> yeah. tony, as we continue -- it's what it means for the afghan people. you have 92%, according that a recent poll who support this democratic process, and the heavy turnout at the polls was evidence of that. we've also seen elections like this in other countries that have not lasted. will this actually translate to meaningful change, and how do you create a democracy and even begin governing a country that has been managed by regional warlords and tribal elders for thousands of years? >> well, simple answer is no. unfortunately. as much as i respect the afghan people, their choices, unless we have negotiated a settlement with the taliban who are essentially pashtun, they sit at the border between pakistan and afghanistan. the pakistanis aren't part of this process, and they get a vote. the pakistanis, until they

basically quit allowing the taliban to have safe havens in pakistan, you'll continue to see the taliban resurge. the taliban have a shadow government everywhere the central government does not. as stipulate lated, you know, whoever gives the best security is for the people they're going to go to, and who they feel most secure with. the taliban have made great inroads because people feel that while they may not be, you know, progressive, they have a system of justice which is fair, and when you face that off with the karzai corruption, a lot of the time people have turned to the taliban actually for justice, so it's not good if you don't have good govrpance. you must have governance with respect and actually adhere to. >> yeah. you look at the security forces agreement. it's an area where the u.s. doesn't want to be overly involved in this country, and, yet, we're afraid of what happens, and we toeltly detach. a touch situation. tony shafer and robert kaplan, thank you both. you might want to buckle your seat belt. it's going to be a bumpy ride. the final season of "mad men" preparing to take off. we're going to take you on set

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a new time reminds us "mad men" is a history told by the losers, albeit losers with money, over the next 14 episodes we'll see how the story of those compelling losers comes to an end. as cameras rolled on the new season, time got rare access to the secretive set and documented it with some amazing photos. the editor of the last days of "mad men," friend of the show radika. the notion that the people in the story are ultimately losers, i think, allows me, in part, to love the show and want to be part of this world where white men are completely in control and everybody else, women, jews, blacks, are beneath them, but because i know that the end is nigh for them, it allows me to accept that world. >> right. as you say, it's the 1960s. it's a time we think of as a roiling time of change, and these are sort of the people who are hanging on to their power, you know, from our position of history we know that they're

hanging on for not much longer. it is great as a woman too to think about this show and what it represents for feminism. it's right on the cutting edge. >> and, yet, there is this weird dynamic where even though we learn more and more about don draper and how despite his cool factor and his control, you know, in his professional world that he really is a loser in a lot of ways, and, yet, people still want to be him, and you have this great quote from john hamm who says i'm always surprised when people are, like, i want to be just like don draper. you want to be a miserable drunk? you want to be like the guy on the poster maybe, but not the actual guy. why are people so -- so interested in being like don draper? >> well, the whole show is about the power of advertising, right? it's about what you see versus what you know from the inside. oh, this product looks shiny and beautiful. i want to own it. it's going to change my life. well, it turns out you own it, and it doesn't change your life. that's kind of what all of these characters are. you know, they're

quintessentially american. they are strivers. they are not where they want to be. it doesn't matter how successful or shiny they look on the outside. none of them is where he or she wants to be, and i think that's what's appealing to us watching them. >> right. that's sort of the organizing -- advertising not only is a commercial reality, but the advertising that people do in the presentation of themselves, which is different from their actual reality, right? which is part of what don is speaking to. i want to also speak to some of peggy. take a look. >> i don't know if you read in the paper, but they passed a law where women who do the same work as men will get paid the same thing. >> you never say thank you. >> that's what the money is for. >> see, this is why i don't like working with women. you have no sense of humor. >> there's a lot there. first of all, that i would love to be able to yell at people, that's what the money is for. >> you should try it. maybe it will work. >> don't encourage him, please. >> but the idea there that comes through in her character in the

essay talks about this as not feminism as a political ideology at the time because it was some of this was really pre the woman's movement being formalized, but feminism in the workplace as a professional necessity. >> right. a practical matter. you know, it would be great to sit here and say, oh, luckily, all those issues have been resolved. as we know, they haven't been. i mean, the president name checked "mad men" in his state of the union talking about that very issue, about equal pay. i think it really resonates with people who, you know, think about, for example, feminism. you know, there's a sort of institutional and policy part of it, but there's the part that affects your daily life and the choices you make, and that's what you see in a character like peggy. >> i mean, i absolutely love "mad men," but it draws you in in a different way than where "the "sopranos" did." it's the life or death clich hangers. this is what the article writes. "the show is enchabted with the eniing ma of closed doors several times don's daughter, sally, opens a room to find adults in compromising positions. there are few bombshells and

cliffhangers, but in the style of story telling, a whisper can speak so loudly." this is a perfect description of why where he love the show so much. we want to be part of these secrets, whether it's peggy hiding her pregnancy or don sleeping with the neighbor. you want not to spoil anything for people who haven't seen the show, but you want to be part of that secret. >> i think that's right. it's so dramatic, but it's drama on a small scale, a personal scale. what's great about the age of television that we're living in, and this is something that he writes in the piece, is that there's television happening on all of these levels. i mean, you can get incredible height. the drama of the "sopranos" or the wire or the great mystery of lost, but "mad men" is a sort of smaller, more particular kind of drama, and it is very compelling. >> it feels intimate. >> yeah. part of what abby is talking about, jim references in the article, that it's almost like literature. like the show aspires to be lit tire. the "sopranos", which is another incredible show, it seemed to be

aspire to be a movie, whereas this wants to be deeper like a novel almost. >> right. i think the affect of both of those shows and all of the excellent television that's on today is that people no longer think that television has limits. it's not about a half hour sit-comor an hour-long police procedural. you can really be as creative as you want to be on television. >> then you can be all about a character who is supposed to be an anti-hero who has charisma, but you're not supposed to actually like him. thank you very much. >> i heard that in terms of limits, i heard we have one here, though, which is a commercial break. >> okay, thanks. up next, tonight is the night, like red man used to say. the ncaa championship. uconn huskies take on the kentucky wildcats. we'll back spin and show you who the real big winner of the weekend was. [ male announcer ] this is kevin. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. i was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again. and now i've got to take more pills.

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i am doing sports today. as you know by now, it would be eight seeded kentucky versus seven seeded uconn for the ncaa men's basketball championship. the highest seeded matchup in tournament championship history. now, we at the cycle, excepts for brian, the man who is always in our ear, we don't really care because none of us have either of these teams in the finals, so here are the results of our brackets. to suck up to our boss, we let him win, of course, and of the four of us, i came in second right behind the juggernaut. the fabi fivy experience and former cycle sportcaster crystal

ball. >> sad. >> steve got to decide who did what here. let's talk about the big news of the weekend. it was the championship on saturday of up against the clock hosted by steve cornaki, and the tlelg end in case you missed it. looked a little bit like this. >> one of the targets of bill mahr's flip a district campaign fought back -- >> alex. >> michael grim. >> he fought back this week. it's correct. 300 point question. this mritly active billionaire used a wall street journal op ed -- >> charles koch. >> correct. 300 point question. that's the end of the match. crystal with that last question has won the national championship with 1,300 points. it falls on the wrong person. what a touch. crystal. that last question gives you the title. 1,100. very close game. congratulating you. crystal, we have -- before we talk to you for a sec, our

special guest tom is here, and he will tell you what you have just won. >> oh, my gosh. >> on behalf of everyone here at -- i wish to ebbing tend my most heart felt and sincere congralt las vegass to crystal ! on his or her victory in up against the clock. we look forward to seeing you for your victory dinner. >> we here at "the cycle" don't have the budget to give you the champion gift certificates but you won't leave empty-handed. gift certificate for you. very special from "the cycle" team. harry's italian pizza bar. >> i'm a big fan. >> a big fan. >> they have fantastic pizza. >> going the hand this to you. you can share it with all of us. >> this means a lot to me e. i really appreciate it. i have to tell you that game show situation, i'm so glad it's over. i don't know that i've ever been so nervous in my life. >> you were nervous. >> i was so stressed out. >> you seemed stressed out and i

was proud of you. i was there watching it live. and, i mean, it was -- i think about what you must have been like as a swimmer, like competing -- because you came from behind twice. >> yeah. i didn't get a single answer in the fist round. i thought it was going to be a shutout. >> when you answered the charles coke question and it was something like five seconds left, maybe ten, so did you know at that point, like, i get this one then i'm going to win? >> no. so i didn't even know where the, like, clock was. but it helps having the scoreboard, those are new, so you can tell where you are in terms of the score so you can modulate how aggressive or not you want to be. that last question, i think it was a little easy, not that i'm complaining. >> but you did have a strategy throughout this, right, because you let the first round kind of go by a little bit, then the second round you started to amp it up. >> i would love to pretend that was the strategy. >>ly say this for everyone that has watched krystal in this tournament. of course she works in the building. she's close to steven kornacki, but you're just that good. you studied, knew your stuff,

came to play. >> locked me in an isolation booth so i could not have any chance to know any of the questions in advance even though steve and his team work right around the corner. something you were concerned about. >> we raised the issue early. i think it would be worthwhile because there have been allegations on twitter -- >> serious allegations. >> very serious place for discussion. and elsewhere including i believe one of the contestants, perhaps jokingly suggests this. do you want to put those rumors to rest and speak to the point, the question of whether you saw anything in advance? quiz show style? >> i did not see anything in advance, not that i didn't want to, not that i didn't try to pressure the team, but they were much ethically stronger than i was. >> clean victory. >> it was a fair fight. >> couldn't have had a nicer and more deserving, smarter person win. i'm proud of you. >> and we all know you're taking me to dinner so -- >> of course. and anybody who wants to come to harry's with me on this $25 gift

certificate. >> whoo-hoo! >> for upholding our honor, it says. >> we are very proud of our krystal ball. >> we have to go but one thing you should know, krystal, you go down there, even with 25 bucks you can get a lot of bread. this is true. >> lots of carbs. keep the bread coming. dip it in the sauce. like a meal. >> started on such a high note. that does it for this coronation. back with more after this. can you start tomorrow? yes sir. alright. let's share the news tomorrow. today we failrly busy. tomorrow we're booked solid. we close on the house tomorrow. i want one of these opened up. because tomorow we go live... it's a day full of promise. and often, that day arrives by train. big day today? even bigger one tomorrow.

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look what we have found here. uh-huh. a jep wgenuine 100 dyed in the wool big guy. >> no, no. >> say something bigoted. >> now, that's wrong. i ain't no bigot. i'm the first guy to say it ain't your world of color. >> for years in the '70s "all in the family" was america's number-one show and at its center was archie bunker, a somehow likable though bigoted new york curmudgeon who was open about his disdains for african-americans, jews, and women. he was created to purge prejudice by exposing it. he hoped the audience would embrace him and debunk his beliefs. but bunker was more controversial than that. million, including my mom, found

it fun to laugh at the raisist, but there was a cultural debate because some worried bunker was not sat tirrizing racist but being racist. a "new york times" article about the show in 1971 described the show as a tv attempt to bring the disease out into the open with the aim, one hopes,over applying the test of corrective recognition and humor. today in the post-pc era, performers have learned to play these games with a sharper edge, yet the same questions return. the debate around bunker was repeated word for word by stephen colbert, who plays a smug, upper classy ignoramus. >> i am not a racist. i don't even see race, not even my own. people tell me i'm white and i believe them because i just devoted six minutes to explaining how i'm not a racist. >> his satire is more obvious than bunker. you can see him laughing at his

own shtick as he skewers the right-wing media. yet racism is so toxic that even parodying it can lead to questions like is he attacking racism or being racist? should racial satire even be used? there are two ways to attack the nonstructural racism, the interpersonal racism of flung epitaphs and rereligious beliefs, education and shame. either facts and experiences can inform folks or they can be shown how absurd racism looks and realize society is laughing at racists. what colbert and other comedians like sara sieveman do is show the racists as buffoons to be latched at in order to reveal the absurdity of racism, bringing the disease into the open. sometimes they criticize performers this ways they found oversensitive, disappointing, boring and often rooted in white performers doing anti-racist work and a lack of understanding that the effort to dismantle the

racial hierarchy must take on many forms and if we cannot accept white people as allies to dismantle the race's hierarchy, we have no chance to destroy it. now with alex wagner starts now. warning to governor chris christie -- your big comeback campaign has been compromised. it's monday, april 7th, and this is "now." >> the fact of the matter is i had nothing to do with this. >> the federal grand jury started to hear witness testimony in the investigation. >> think ear starting to mine for more information. >> abc has carc tized this as confirmation that the prel preliminary inquiry of the governor's office has become a criminal investigation. >> we want to know why did bridget kelly send that e-mail? >> i don't know. it mystifies me on every level. >> you don't bring in your tarpies into a federal grand jury. >> he wasn