that your definition of quiet is a little bit -- here we go. the high jinks on this show is just incredible. >> i love it. >> hug it out. >> over to chuck and "the daily rundown." tension is building even bigger in eastern ukraine as pro-russian separatists take hostages now in an effort to find a home under the umbrella of vladimir putin. secretary kerry faces fierce criticism on capitol hill from an old friend over what the u.s. is and is not prepared to do about all of it. meanwhile, tough talk in texas. former president jimmy carter kicks off the civil rights summit at the lbj library by declaring the country is not making good on the era of equal opportunity that johnson and dr. king ushered in. and speaking of legacy

building, in case you didn't notice it yet, all three former presidents at the summit have family members either running or thinking about running for office right now. we'll dig in to it. the never-end heing revision of presidential history. good morning from new york. it is wednesday, april 9th, 2014. this is "the daily rundown." before we get to the rest of our show, disturbing breaking news out of pennsylvania. we are getting word that as many as 20 people may have been stabbed inside franklin regional high school in murraysville, pennsylvania, about 15 miles east of pittsburgh. the victims appear to be a mix of students and adults. according to a local hospital official, they range in age from 15 to 60. at least nine people have been hospitalized. good news is, officials say none of the injuries appear to be life threatening. a public safety official says the stabbings happened in multiple classrooms, multiple hallways, and the suspect though is in custody.

the high school, middle school and elementary school are all part of the same campus. but a bulletin issued by school he officials says that all three are now secure. as we get more information, we will bring you more of those details throughout the hour. we are showing you live pictures now. but again the good news is the suspect is in custody. none of the injuries are life threatening. but again as we have more information we'll bring it to you. now to my first reads of the morning. we begin at the intersection of kiev and capitol hill. where frustration over russia's threat to ukraine and the administration's response led to some sharp exchanges between two old friends, u.s. senators and now, of course, a senator and a secretary of state, john kerry and john mccain. it came against the backdrop of new unrest in eastern ukraine, the portion bordering russia. in the last 24 hours we learned pro-russian separatists were holding dozens of hostages at a security service building seized

in the the city of luhansk. more than 50 were later released. it is not clear now how many are still being held. luhansk is is a city where protesters have clashed with security forces. they were ousted from a building in kharkiv, but another group wants to break off from ukraine. the prime minister said if negotiations don't halt the arrests -- >> no one should be fooled -- and believe me, no one is fooled -- by what could potentially and contrived pretext for military intervention just as we saw in crimea. >> second day in a row an obama

administration official has essentially said russia is creating this chaos. russia's foreign minister minister sergey lavrov denies moscow is somehow meddling in ukraine's affairs but the fact is there are 20,000 russian troops on the border around there are concerns an invasion could come at any time. members of congress from both sides took secretary kerry to task over the administration's response so far. >> i'm confused by the policy. we castigate them on one side, on the other hand we're exchanging paper with them. >> at what point in this relationship with russia particularly vis-a-vis iran, but even beyond, is it going to be clear that there are consequences? >> they misbehave, then we sit down at the table we be make some kind of agreement and they misbehave even worse after the agreement. >> my hero, teddy roosevelt used to say talk softly but carry a big stick. what you are doing is talking softly and carrying a very small stick. in fact, a twig.

>> your friend, teddy roosevelt, also said that the credit belongs to the people who are in the arena who are trying to get things done. we're trying to get something done. that's a teddy roosevelt maxism and i abide by it. i think it is important to do this. sure, we may fail. you want to dump it on me, i may fail. i don't care. it's worth doing. >> clearly a lot of frustration on this issue. with me now, the top republican on the foreign relations committee, tennessee senator bob corker. good morning to you, sir. >> morning, chuck. >> look, there's frustration. that's pretty clear. i guess i ask you this. what did you learn yesterday from the hearing for secretary kerry that makes you think this is the right policy and if it is not the right policy, what would you like to say? >> well, we talk a lot of policies, everything from syria to ukraine to china to the palestini palestinian/israeli talks. a lot of things were discussed. generally speaking on both sides of the aisle, chuck, this was

frustration that was heavy on both sides of the aisle. i think people are concerned that we began in syria, sort after day late, dollar short. we haven't ever enacted a policy there. we've made a lot of big statements. we haven't followed through. i think there are a lot of concerns that the same thing is playing out right now in ukraine. the president has the and the to put in place sanctions. we have this massive troop built up. we know black ops folks are operating inside ukraine fomenting the unrest you are showing on your television program now, and yet we still have not done those things to inflict pain. we become very concerned that russia doesn't believe the u.s. ever will, because we jumped in their lap on syria and we've seen another 50, 60, 70,000 people killed there. in essence they're driving policy in syria and right now we're not really responding as strongly as most people would like relative to ukraine. >> you want the sector sanctions

put in place by the united states with or without europe? >> here -- yeah. >> because the issue has been the united states, from my understand understanding, the obama administration would be doing this today if europe would go along with but they don't want to do it without europe. >> there are some sectoral sanctions we can put in place. not the whole thing at one time, but for instance, naming another three or four banks now, financial institutions now, with this troop build-up. i mean at the end of the day, russia had had indicatindicated going to move down, disassemble these troops. instead we see supply lines created for these troops, medical facilities created for these troops. it looks to us like it is something -- look, there again, helping's create this break-away notion that's taking place in eastern ukraine. and again, we're continuing to talk with them. so i think there is a lot of frustration and i do think

another shot across the bow that would affect economically their country is an important thing to do. we don't have to do the whole range, but just us doing that would certainly affect the way people are looking at investing in russia. it will be a price that he would be paying by fomenting what he's doing there right now. >> let's go to syria. you did some closed-session stuff. some things secretary kerry couldn't say at the public hearing. i'm confused. what is the policy right now that you think we should be pursuing in syria? >> well, chuck, first of all, there is a tremendous amount of disappointment. the foreign relations committee stood with kerry and the president on syria relative to arming the vetted moderate opposition, training them. we've made all kind of statements about what we were going to do there. we have not followed through. we stood with them on the limited air strike that was going to take place in august

and that didn't happen. now, of course, there are you rumors about other kinds of discussions that are taking place. again, it is this policy, chuck, of always and day late and a dollar short. letting things fester to where they become a much bigger problem, which all of us -- including, by the way, john kerry at the time. so at present, look, it's a difficult situation. now we've got 150,000 people there dead. we all know the best thing that assad did for his own survival. this sounds very crass, was to kill 1,200 people with chemical weapons. the best thing he could have done for his own survival. now here we have this situation where we are so intertwined with iran and russia, nothing happening there. they say they have a plan. they won't share it with us. they say they have activity that's under way. they won't share that with us. so we've directly asked for an in-depth briefing, which you would think the foreign relations committee would have had a long time ago.

>> john mccain, john kerry had a very heated back and forth specifically over the israeli-palestinian peace talks. do you think senator mccain, if he's skeptical, should have been so publicly skeptical in the middle of the negotiations that secretary kerry's in right now? >> john mccain is a great patriot. he and john kerry have been through a whole lot together, forged a friendship over vietnam in the latter years as they were trying to deal with a lot of the aftermath of vietnam. think john has so much passion regarding our foreign policy and it is so disappointed candidly in this administration and in john kerry that it certainly came out strongly. we met about two hours later, chuck, with the foreign minister from israel to talk a little bit about where things are. i know yesterday they say there was couple hours of maybe break-through but, look. there's just a lot of

frustration with this day late, dollar short policy. leading from behind. i hate to even use thatted a dama adage. but it really is where we are and where we've been. but i think many of us wonder how supported john kerry really is by this administration that wants to sweep most of the big issues under the rug until they're out of office. >> i'm going to leave it there. senator bob corker, republican from tennessee, thank you for your time. turning now, more developing news from overnight. a few new clues in the 33-day hunt now for the missing malaysian jet. overnight officials announced that a ship equipped with the u.s. navy's pinger locating did pick up two more underwater pings. >> it's consistent with the locator on a black box. so that's why we are more confident than we were before.

but, we've got to lay eyes on it. >> these new signals were weaker than the pings heard over the weekend, but the head of the search now says he's optimistic they will find the plane. to tell you more about that breaking news situation out of pennsylvania. here's what we told you. as many as 20 people may have been stabbed inside a franklin regional high school in murd murraysville, pennsylvania, western side of the state. the victims appear to be a mix of students and adults. according to a hospital official they range from 15 to 60. the good news is the suspect is in custody and none of the injuries apoor to be lipear to threatening. humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why at liberty mutual insurance, auto policies come with new car replacement

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we're continuing to watch the breaking news out of western pennsylvania. as many as 20 people have been stabbed inside franklin regional high school in murraysville, pennsylvania, about 15 miles east of pittsburgh. we've got this from our nbc affiliate in pittsburgh, wpxi. early reports are that a person ran through the school slashing or puncturing students with a knife or some other sharp object. at least four people have been classified as seriously injured. no one has been killed. the suspect is in custody and we are told by a hospital official that none of the injuries appear to be life threatening. as we get more information we'll continue to share. moving on, at the lbj library in austin last night, former president jimmy carter warned that america has become complacent about civil rights 50 years after the signing of the historic 1964 civil rights act. he also said that the country is falling short on equal opportunity with gross disparities in the quality of

education and employment. >> there's not any real equality between the two that exists in this country. we are pretty much dorment now. we kind of accept self-congratulations about the wonderful 50th anniversary, which is wonderful. but we feel like lyndon johnson did it, we don't have to do anything anymore. >> carter is the first of four presidents that are speaking at the three-day summit. president clinton speaks tonight. presidents obama and george w. bush speak on thursday. in retrospect johnson's record is mixed. but perhaps no president had more success in using government to bring about social change. while johnson pushed monumental civil rights and voting rights laws into congress in '64 and '65, that wouldn't have been possibly without the movement to give him the political power to flex his muscles. on december 1st, 1955, rosa parks was arrested for

disorderly conduct after refusing to give up her bus seat to a white passenger becoming a leader in the montgomery, alabama bus boycott. in september 1957, 900 african-american students were warned blood would run in the streets if they attempted to enter the all-white high school in little rock, arkansas. they entered the school anyway. in 1964 students sat down at a lunch counterin north carolina. when they were asked to relieve they remained in their sits creating a national movement of sit-ins. fire hoses and attack dogs were used on children who joined in civil rights protests in birmingham, alabama. in august, over 2,000 people gathered in washington for the largest march the city had ever seen. as dr. martin luther king gave what will be remembered as one of the most brilliant and important speeches in american history. on march 7, 1965, bloody sunday. state troopers an a sheriff's posse attacked civil rights demonstrators, including now-congressman john lewis on

the edmond pettis bridge in selma, alabama. >> even if we pass this bill, the battle will not be offense. it is not just negroes, but really it is all of us who must overcome the crippling legacy of bigotry and injustice. and we shall overcome. >> charlie franklin was the first african-american woman elected as mayor of any major southern city when she served as atlanta's mayor from 2002 to 2010. two terms. she's now the barbara jordan visiting professor at the lbj school of public affairs. dr. lonnie bunch, founding director of the smithsonian's national museum of african-american history an culture. somebody we've had on this show before. mayor franklin, i want to start with you. when it comes to what president

carter said yesterday, basically a little tough talk, a little tough love talk which is to say that, you though, we're not celebrating something that happened 50 years ago. at the same time we need to deal with the realities of today. how do you look at the realities of today and where we are and what advancements still need to be made? >> well, there's no question that president carter gave us a charge, a challenge to take action to close the wealth gap, to ensure that more young people had access to -- have access to higher education and first rate education and that there are problems. i don't think that he intended to dampen our spirits as much as to charge us and inspire us to take on some of the problems that still exist. america's a great country with greatwel wealth, great educatio but there is still a lot more to do. right here in texas and georgia,

across the south and in other parts of the country as well. >> mayor franklin, the way we're segregated today, do you think we're segregated more by wealth? use atlanta as an example. is that how we've created this disparity that still remains in education? >> well, there's no question that education and the quality of education has a lot to do with access to good paying jobs, careers, entrepreneurship. and unfortunately, atlanta is an example of a huge wealth gap, a gap where a person -- a child born in to poverty has very limited opportunities according to all of research to move through their lives and into the middle class. the great recession didn't help us very much either but somehow or another we need to look at our experience over the last 50 years, find out where we he did things right and find out where

we need to do more. so universal pre-k, top quality early childhood education is one thing that we could do across the country. the second is full access to higher education for every child who seeks that, because we know america needs an educated workforce. >> go to the lbj legacy a minute here, dr. bunch is the historian here. how unlikely of a figure of lbj leading this cause in hindsight -- or in many ways did it need to be a white guy from the south to do this? >> in many ways the success of the civil rights act, the voting rights act, is really because, in part, who lbj was. he was a southerner so he was able to speak to other southern senators. he was able to say this is a cause that's closely important to me, you must pay attention to it. but i also think the strength of lbj was recognizing how america had changed, recognizing the impact of the civil rights

movement, the march on washington, taking fullest advantage of the moral force that was coming his way. so in some ways johnson really is somebody that actually catches -- helps america catch up with what's going on in the rest of the country. >> on one end he helps them catch up, he also foresaw what our political split is today. you know, what was going to happen in the white south, what was going to happen with afri n african-america african-americans. in many ways, is it healthy for our democracy that race in some ways divides us in our political parties more today than it ever has before. >> well, in many ways race has always divided us, divided our political parties. you are absolutely right, in many ways now it is seen that it is the democratic party that is the party that is at least wrestling with these issues of change and equality and republican party less so. i think the real challenge is

trying to find that middle ground that will allow the political system to really make the changes that mayor franklin, that president carter suggested, which is to remind us that there is no doubt that we are a vastly different country than we were 50 years ago but the reality is, there is still so much more to go. >> i want to talk about -- both of you are leading panel discussions in the next couple of days. mayor franklin, i want to talk about yours. you call it social justice in the 21st century, it is a fascinating group of folks have you on, maria shriver, david robinson, former nba player. what do you want -- what do you hope people get out of your panel? >> well, we have stevenen stout and election freeding. we are really excited we have a cross section of people who are coming, each of whom in their own careers have made a choice to advocate for social justice. i want to be sure that we put

those examples forward for the participants at the summit. hopefully to inspire each person who attends and views the summit that there is something that they can do and that there is an issue that will touch their hearts so that they will go back home or stay in texas and be inspired to do something. i think that's what president carter was saying yesterday. let's just not sit back and talk. let's do something about the problems. >> dr. bunch, i think you have a bit of a challenge here. it is supposed to be a panel discussion, but no offense, i just want to hear from all three of these people telling their stories and telling their history. of you've got john lewis, andrew young just sort of remembering from the front lines. what are you hoping to get out of them, not just talking about their experiences, but what do you hope those experiences give the audience to talk about in the future? >> i think there are two things. on one hand, what this panel

will help us do is sometimes counter america's notion not to remember. so we want people to remember that these young men who were very young when they started helped to transform the country. but i think more importantly what we want is to begin to identify and point out what are the civil rights movements of today. what is the role that we as americans have to play in helping to make our country better. i think the notion that these three men bring forth is that america is a great place, america has changed, but there is such a need for new generations to take up the mantel of leadership and change. we hope that they can inspire people through this panel. >> dr. lonnie bunch, good to see you. mayor franklin, thanks for being on. of course we are going down there tonight. we'll be doing the show from austin tomorrow. thank you, both. >> thank you. we're keeping our eye, of course, on breaking news out of western pennsylvania. these are live pictures here of a high school outside of pittsburgh. as many as 20 people were stabbed this morning.

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as with every breaking news situation we give you the information as it comes in. we do have some new information out of the situation in western pennsylvania. our nbc affiliate wpxi is reporting the following -- a hospital spokesman confirms that seven patients now do have life threatening injuries. that is of course in conflict with what we reported earlier. again, breaking news situation. you know that that does happen sometimes. seven, according to a hospital spokesperson, of these 20 stabbing victims have life threatening injuries. these folks were stabbed in franklin regional school in murraysville, east of pittsburgh. early reports indicate that the person who ran through the school slashing and puncturing

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as we've told you, we are continuing to watch the situation in western pennsylvania where there is a suspect in custody. here's what we can tell you according to our affiliate wpxi. a hospital spokesman confirms that seven patients of the 20 that were stabbed in this high school do have life threatening injuries. we now believe the suspect is a male student who is again in custody. the affiliate also reports that the fbi has joined the investigation as we learn more we will give you more information. but we can tell you this high school right outside of pittsburgh, a suspect ran through the halls and started stabbing people, as many as 20. seven with life threatening injuries according to a local hospital spokesperson. the suspect is in custody.

in fact, authorities have said the school areas -- there are three in this same campus, an elementary school, middle school and high school, and they are all seen as many secure right now. moving on to the tdr 50. this week we've been focused on north carolina. you can't talk about north carolina without talking about the military and the nation's veterans. north carolina is home to the third largest military population in the united states and is home to bases for every single branch of the service. more than half of all american special ops forces based in north carolina. home to more generals than any he state in the union outside the pentagon. with all that brash comes cash. according to the state department of commerce, the military accounts for roughly 10% of north carolina's economy. in 2013 the military supported 540,000 jobs, $30 billion in personal income across the state and $48 billion in gross state

product. the military is a major part of north carolina's identity and a crucial part of the economy. the state is also relying on the feds to address the needs of veterans. this is the focus i want to have today on this. according to new data from the "washington post," of the 2.6 million service members who fought in iraq and afghanistan, 43% say their physical health is worse. 31% say their mental and emotional health was worse. good news -- "the washington post" also reports veterans affairs has cut that mass offive claims backlog by 44%. cut the wait time almost in half. but do veterans feel the government's meeting their needs? our answers are split. a new "washington post"/kaiser poll shows 59% of veterans say a good or excellent job, 40%, not so good or poor. here to talk about the impact on his own state, the top republican on the senate veterans affair committee, north carolina's own richard burke.

we've been talking about this issue of a country at war for over a decade. now we have got over -- nearly 3 million veterans of those wars that's going to have an impact on our health system over time, particularly in the state of north carolina considering there is a lot of veterans in that state. what is the state of veterans affairs and the administration right now as they are dealing with these backlogs, in your view? >> we are struggling. the administration has struggled for years and i don't buy the 44% reduction in backlogs. i look at it and i see an increase in appeals so it's shifting from one area to the other. it is time that we fix it. these are not difficult cases and as we surge more people to it, productivity for employee at va goes down. we have to fix this once and for all. north carolina is also the fastest growing veterans

population as a percentage in the country. we need to make sure that the infrastructure is there so that we can keep that health care promise. we are well on our way in north carolina but nowhere near where we need to be nationally. >> so you got a health care promise issue. he we also have bringing these veterans back in to civil society outside of military society. this has been a cause of the first lady. this has been a bipartisan effort to deal with this situation. what can government do better on this front as we integrate these nearly 3 million veterans of these wars into civil society? >> well, chuck, in the va we probably own over 50% of the psychiatric professionals in the country. they are aligned with va. in most cases as employees. but we don't do a very good job at treating mental health and identifying mental health tendencies. we don't screen real well when people come back from conflict when they are deployed.

we're doing better, but we've got a long way to go. we've got to learn from some of the non-profit private entities that have greater success than we do within the va itself. >> is the va -- is this a situation -- and i understand the politics of what happened in the '70s and the decision to split off veterans -- split this off from the pentagon. but in hindsight was that a mistake? >> i'm not sure that it was a mistake but i'm not sure that va in its current configuration is capable of handling world war ii veterans who have a real defined set of needs and handling today's wares that come out. but significantly they are exposed to different things than we've seen for decades. we have to work on training of our medical professionals to make sure that the focus is the outcome of these kids. they have a lifetime ahead of

them. i want them to enjoy everything that they intend to. >> how do you guarantee that you get the best quality, high-quality physicians working in the va system? >> well, i think it is safe to say that we don't. but make no mistake about it, we've got some great professionals within the va. they're passionate about the population they're working for. but in many cases, this is like every other bureaucracy that we find in the federal government. it doesn't function with common sense. when a veteran picks up the phone and calls the va facility, it starts with getting a happy person on the other end. that's not always the case. and most veterans see multiple practitioners. it would be nice if we could schedule every point on the same day because the number one challenge for veterans health care is transportation. these are things that are fixable. but we seem to stumble in a bureaucracy without solutions. >> i want to ask you about the ft. hood situation.

you brought up this mental health issue and it seems to be, frankly, we're struggling with it in private medical society and we're struggling with it in the military. what should be the lesson out of ft. hood? and clearly he was -- he snapped in some form or another. he was seeking some mental health care. he was an active member of the military but there obviously is a privacy line and a you will these issues. should he even had access to go buy a gun. that's a whole nother conversation we should have but what's the lesson you want out of this? >> i don't want to get ahead of the investigation but clearly from what we know today, the military was carrying out the mental health evaluation which they should have done. whether they did it quick enough, whether they had had reached a point where they could come to a conclusion, none of us know. i think most americans, if not all americans, want to make sure that those individuals who might be a threat to themselves or others don't have access to firearms. we've got a system in place

that's supposed to do that but we've got, as you said, some health care privacy issues that are in statute that no matter how much we wish it, unless we are willing to change those, don't permit that exchange of information. >> senator richard burr, the ranking republican on the veterans affairs committee, thanks for coming on. we don't talk about these issues enough, so thank you, sir. reminder -- the ft. hood memorial ceremony is set this afternoon. the president and first lady will be there. msnbc will have full coverage of the service starting at 3:00 p.m. eastern. we'll be right back.

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woer westmoreland county. >> good morning. again, this incident started around 7:13 a.m. the school resource officer called our 911 center by radio and advised an incident was going on and requested assistance. when he determined what the incident was he relaid back that he had a stabbing involving several and requested medical assistance. the actor was taken into custody by murraysville police within about 15 minutes of the initial call. murraysville police are in the process of questioning him with westmoreland county detectives. approximately 20 students were injured. four of those students serious enough to be flown by medical helicopter to local trauma centers. those include allegheny general hospital, presbyterian hospital, upmc east and forbes regional

hospital. we are currently in the process of reunification of students with their parents that weren't affected by this incident. that's currently going on at another location. the still is in lockdown. no one is allowed in the school except for law enforcement personnel. all students have been transported to another facility in the franklin regional school district and they're going to be reunited with their parents. >> do you have any indication what type of weapon was used to stab? >> that information currently is not released to me yet. they're still conducting the interviews. i will have that at a later time. it is just a matter of making sure we get all the information and get factual information out instead of speculation. >> understandable. it was characterized to us that it was a student that's the suspect. >> right. it was a sophomore student from the school. he's currently being interviewed by the westmoreland county

detectives and murraysville police department. >> do you have any updates on the condition of the folk in the hospital? we have hear up to seven have life threatening injuries. >> we do not have that here. i know four were transported by medical hospital. those were considered major enough to be transported. we did not notice that any of them were life threatening at that point but as things come out, that could change. >> deputy emergency management coordinator from westmoreland county, thanks for the update and factual information. as we learn more, we'll bring you more information as you can see, we wanted to go right to the source. we'll be right back.

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we will of course keep an eye on the information from western pennsylvania, and you heard the most up to date confirmed factual information from the county, and as we get

more of that information, we will share it with you. and we want to turn it back before we turn the show over, to the lbj anniversary of the 1964 civil rights act, but there is something else going on here when it comes to the presidential legacies, and joining me me is vap ti fair's tom herdon, and he has finished his new book with the timing there, jonathan martin, "an idea whose time has come." and so, most of them have kin who are running or thinking of running, whether it is jason carter, jeb bush, hillary clinton -- and it is just fascinating to watch the entire legacy rebuilding as we are watching right now at the lbj library. >> well, it is fascinating, chuck, and nothing new in american history as you well know, but it does strike me a little bit on the presidential

level, i wonder if at some point this year or the next year with all of the talk of jeb bush and hillary clinton if some fairly prominent folks in the republican party at least don't start wondering out loud, at what point is this too much? at what point do we -- >> i thought that barbara bush was that person. >> well, she apparently did not get through to the well healed gop donors who are pining for jeb bush. but when somebody say enough is enough, and when it is time to sort of give other families a shot, and yes, barbara bush did that, but i am talking about more of a high profile figure in current politics. >> i don't disagree with you there, and todd, we are talking about rewriting the legacies, and talking about lbj, and my colleague mark murray said when he went to the university of texas, he got the history lesson that said that presidents are sometimes judged by the current

moment moments and their historical legacies are written by what is going on in the current times, and lbj has gotten a renaissance maybe because of the strug ofl the liberal elite with president obama? >> well, that is true, and people are nostalgic for an era of when things worked in washington, and certainly the civil rights act of 1964 is the ep though ji, and we know that it would have been 100th birthday of h lbj and that was the night of the inauguration, but his name was not mentioned. >> and in the struggle of lyndon baines johnson -- >> and well, you have not noticed it and the longtime aide of lbj has noticed. >> and i was going to say that it embraces the kennedy legacy much more than president johnson

and for obvious reasons, because the kennedys are so much more glamorous, and of course, president johnson's legacy is wrapped up in vietnam, but i think that todd is right, and i saw a play last week about jimmy carter and the camp david accord and saw the lbj play on broadway as well, and both of them strike me as similar in the sense that they represent a longing for a moment when the politics worked and the democratic presidents were a able to get big things done either on the domestic policy or foreign affairs, and you could almost see the longing in the face of the democrats. >> and the playwrights. >> exactly. >> and todd, three one-term presidents enjoying the renaissance, and he brought up in jimmy carter and the camp david play, and the lbj and the library and the legacy of george h.w. bush viewed in a positive way, but all of them are considered failed presidencies, because they did not get a

second term. >> well, you don't know what you have got until it is gone. >> and truman, too. >> yes, todd. >> and jonathan is right, president truman left the white house in total disrepair. >> and i will see you tonight, todd, and tomorrow, mr. martin, and thank you very much. >> thank you, chuck. >> we will of course monitor the breaking news situation, a high school stabbing in pennsylvania where 20 students were injured a. male sophomore has been taken into custody for an attack that happened starting at 7:15. it happened while class was in session, and it lasted about 15 minutes until the police were able to finally bring the custody into -- bring the suspect into custody, and according to our affiliate, seven are believed to have life threatening injuries. and the school is in the process of reuniting the students with the families. we will have the all of the latest and give you all of the

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good morning. i'm chris jansing, and we begin with the breaking news a violent scene at a high school, although this time it is not a shooting a. male student at franklin regional high school in murraysville, pennsylvania, went on a rampage this morning stabbing as many as 20 people. at least seven of the victims we are told have life-threatening injuries, and we know that in one hospital three were in surgery. the victims ranging in age from 15 to 60. the suspect we are told is a sophomore student who police say went classroom to classroom and stabbed whoever came into his path. the students were just arriving for the day, and this went on for 30 to 40 minutes before he was taken into custody. the parents are now being allowed to take their children home from school, and we will have much more on this throughout the hour. next hour, senate democrats are scheduled to pick up where president obama left off