one week after the deadly shooting at ft. hood left three soldiers dead and 16 wounded, thousands gathered in memorial this afternoon in texas, including president obama who spoke just moments ago. it is the second time in five years that the president has attended a memorial service for victims at the ft. hood army base. it is wednesday, i am a 9th and this is now. >> to the men and women of ft. hood, it has already been mentioned part of what makes this so painful is that we've been here before. this tragedy tears a wound so raw from five years ago. we can never eliminate every risk. but as a nation we can do more to help counsel those with

mental health issues, to keep firearms out of the hands of those who are having such deep difficulties. as military we must consider to do everything in our power to secure our facilities and spare others this pain. we must honor these men by doing more to care for our fellow americans living with mental illness, civilian and military, love bears all things. believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things, love never ends. >> joining me now is retired army captain and author wes moore. i thought the president's remarks today were quietly but nonetheless deeply powerfully emotional. what were your thoughts as a member of the armed services, former member? your thoughts on his remarks

today at ft. hood? >> thank you. i agree. i thought they were incredibly touching and emotional. this is a hard day but also not lost on our community that days before this tragedy happened, we were proud about the fact that the month of march, he with did not have a single casualty in afghanistan amongst single personnel and military personnel. now the president is at ft. hood at a commemoration, at a remembrance for three people who were lost here back stateside. in many ways what the president was highlighting and the president being there, what it highlighted is just because our men and women come home safely does not mean that everything is now okay. that the services and supports that have to be in place and the services and supports that we receive while we were overseas, we can't act just that we have redeployed, that the cries for help and the need for encouragement, the need for support is no longer needed.

>> one of the things that struck me was his refrain that love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, love never ends. to this audience, we think of our armed service personnel. we think toughness, resilience, we think battling in the face of aggression. here was an incredibly tender sentiment. and of course, it is a deemly emotional day. such a universal and universally shared sentiment but often one that's not communicated to armed service personnel, that we care about them, that they care about us, there is an exchange of concern. >> well, you know, actually the beautiful thing is i think the president touched on something that is actually deeply resonant amongst the military community and particularly to the military community while we're deployed. we look at what happened during the ceremony and i don't know if people caught it. the roll call. what happens during the roll call, it is, they line the boots and the rifle almost as if it is

the spine and they place the kevlar on it as if it is a soldier standing at attention for one final formation. and they call out names and the people respond, yes, sergeant, yes, sergeant. then they call out the names of those who are fallen. and then you hear them initially call out their last name, then their first and their last name, then call out their entire name. and then you hear the silence. and then -- that is a really, a celebration of this love that these soldiers have for one another and of the loss that people now feel when they hear their friends' name called and there is no response. so actually i thought what the president did was not just incredibly moving but also incredibly inline with the emotions soldiers are feeling right now. there is a sense of sorrow and hurt. but there is a sense of love for those whom we have left behind and a love for those family members who have to spend the rest of their days dealing with it every single day, what it mean to hear their loved one's name called and know there will

never be another response again. >> it is a reminder of the humanity here. for those forgotten about the military engagements overseas, if anything, if there is a silver lining to this moment, we as a nation come together and acknowledge the humanity here. i wonder specifically on the issue of how we treat our veterans. the president talked about, we have to do more to counsel those with mental health risks, keep firearms out of the hands of those with difficulties. i think all of that is well intentioned. but there is also the sort of danger here. and the usa today makes this point. ft. hood coverage reinforced stereo sometimes, say veterans. there is a danger here when we focus a lot on the sort of mental health and emotional issues returning vets may have that we stigmatize our veterans. my question to you is, how do we talk about this without doubling

down and sort of moving the ball backwards on the question of support systems for vets, specifically with regard to mental health? >> it is a great question and an incredibly complicated question. because we can't ignore there are issues people are facing. the number of 22 sooss among veterans a day, those aren't my numbers. these are the numbers of the department of veteran affairs. 22 suicides a day. in the past 18 months, i personally have lost three friends to suicide. so this is real. we can't act like it is not. it is also important to understand that, and the other true numbers are that the majority of people who come back from deployments do not have any form of ptsd. and even those diagnosed with ptsd does not necessarily mean that if you have it that you are somehow homicidal or suicidal. >> it is important to have a

more nuanced and robust discussion about what exactly is happening to these people that we send overseas. and it must be said, keep here in the united states as well. wes moore as always, thank you, my friend, for your time and thoughts. after the break, his approval number are down but his bully numbers are up. as chris christie faces another town hall today. the thing he most wants to get away from, bridgegate, keep coming back. our own steve cokornacki joins next. when folks in the lower 48 think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. thousands of people here in alaska are working to safely produce more energy. but that's just the start. to produce more from existing wells,

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turn over your detailed accounts by friday or face more subpoenas. that is the message from new jersey lawmakers investigating bridge gate to the lawyers who conducted the christie administration's internal review. as governor christie held a town hall in fairfield this afternoon, he faced the pros expect of his office or its outside counsel gibson dunn getting subpoenas for details of the 70 plus interviews they say they conducted as part of the taxpayer funded inquiry. yesterday the chairman of the investigative panel, a assemblyman, explained the importance of getting access to the interview transcripts themselves. >> to suggest that the gibson dunn report provides all of the information that we need to know is to frankly deliberately ignore the critical deficiencies which are numerous. >> and guess who else thinks there are critical deficiencies in the report vindicating chris

christie. that would be new jersey voters also known as the people who picked up the million-dollar tab for the internal probe. a new quinnipiac poll finds of the 96% of jersey voters who have heard of the lane closures controversy, 56% of those people say christie's internal inquiry was a quote, whitewash. 36% of them say it was legit. and while most at 64% don't believe christie personally ordered the lane closures, 51% think the governor was aware of what his aides were doing when it was happening. so new jersey voters do not believe the findings of a report they payed for and largely deem it a whitewash. perhaps that explains why his overall approval rating has fallen and is still falling in the wake of the scandal. just under half the new jersey voters, 49% now approve of christie's job performance by a margin of just 4 points. that's down from a 17-point

margin, 55-38% in the immediate aftermath of the scandal back in january. so much for a spring thaw. joining me now, the host of "up." steve kornacki and nick, steve as usual, the saga has a new chapter. we have breaking news. a tweet says legislative committee loses bid to get bridget kelly and bill steppian to comply with subpoenas. this is a major development in this case, steve. your read on it. >> in somewhat of a surprising one, too. just in terms of what this case was about. it was about the legislature's ability in new jersey to conduct oversight. the function of oversight. we can subpoena documents from pretty much anybody we think in the executive branch that we think is relevant and basically, steppian and kelly asserted the

fifth amendment right saying they don't have to turn over the materials and the judge agreed. there is a question of what this would do for the future of oversight in new jersey. the immediate issue should this takes away a huge piece that the investigative committee was looking for. a huge piece of the puzzle. and we've been saying for a while that the ball is really more in the legislative committee's court. with this this is really in their court. >> to steve's point, just to repeat for everybody that is tuning in now. superior court judge mary c. jacobson has denied the super committee's request that blig dwlet ann kelly and bill steppian be forced to turn over key documents in the scandal. it feels like as steve was pointing out, the energy, oxygen in the way is moving the way of the federal investigation. this would seem to certainly stymie in a pretty critical way the new jersey state

legislature's super committee investigation if they can't get documents from two of the key figures involved. >> absolutely. it is a lot harder to say no to a u.s. attorney than a committee in the state. so one chess move by team christie worked out pretty well. the risk in putting out their report first baltimore perhaps it would be quickly contradicted by something that came out in the legislative investigation. but with that investigation kind of stoppered in that stepien and his colleague are concerned go it gives them a certain advantage. we won't have another turn of the wheel from them for quite a while until the u.s. attorneys start to get into the act. that could be a long time for everybody. >> but it is worth noting, steve. the reports that we got at the end of the last weekend. you talked about this on your show. this weekend, you know, he was reported to have been behind closed doors with these federal

investigators for up to three days. there are some thinking he might have gotten an immunity deal. the next question is does bridget kelly talk? and if she does, perhaps that will mitigate the fact that the super committee is not getting access. >> in a way, if the scope of this thing, if the entirety had stopped the legislative committee and never had been involvement and never was involvement, in a way that would have been good news for christie. even if something embarrassing came out of the legislative report that ultimately came from this. it would say nothing criminal happened. the fact that this is now apparently being, it has been a revelation in the last week how aggressively and how quickly the u.s. attorney in new jersey and apparently also the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york has moved on this. you have the grand jury impaneled, all that fishman bringing witnesses. and then nobody knows exactly what to make of it. but according to this reporting,

meeting with fishman's people for a couple days last week and you have bridget kelly's lawyer who made it explicitly clear that he would like a deal as well for his client. so this is high stakes stuff. and it, this u.s. attorney's office is very different than it was when chris christie was leaking it. we would know what they would want us to know. this won't play out as publicly as it would. this is a more opaque u.s. attorney's office but we are starting to find out what's happening there and there's action. >> i am somewhat surprised. i think the conventional wisdom was that kelly and stepien's defense invoking the fifth amendment was a little stretch given what critical roles they played, seemingly in all of this. but having said that, where a door closes, a window is still open. which is to say the randy mastro transcripts are now being

demanded by john wisniewski who is chairing the investigation. he has expressed doubt that's those transcripts even exist i wonder what you think about the taxpayer investigation that may have been an investigation really truly in name only. >> partly an effort by the democrats and new jersey to sort of kick the tires on this investigation that mastro did. if there is stuff in those transcripts that wasn't contained in their formal public report, again, it cast them in a bad light. it undermines the conclusions of that report. and as you say, if there were not any trans krimts, if there is nothing there it raises a further question. what were they doing all those weeks for all that money. >> that's a huge part of it. wisniewski says there it's no hard evidence, they don't get transcripts, that means this

report is -- sorry, the tax-funded christie report is based on nothing more than his mental impressions of what people said. that is a classic definition of hearsay. i think it hurts christie even more than it possibly could have hemmed him. >> in a way this is news. this is what we already knew. you take a poll in new jersey. what do people think about the investigation? was it a real investigation or just his defense basically? of course this was going to be a defense. of course this was not going to be a really report. keep in mind the law firm conducting this, they were not just retained to conduct an internal investigation. they were also retained by the office of the governor in the federal investigation. so it makes sense from the standpoint, if he is interviewing people potentially to be interviewed by the u.s. attorney, he shouldn't be keeping transcripts on that. >> and bully, 48% think he is a bully. 48% think he is a leader.

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. these days capitol hill is not known for being a place of harmony or sull legislating for that matter. today was a brilliant showcase of exactly why nothing actually important ever gets done. one day, after one day after president obama signed two executive orders on pay equity, this morning senate republicans voted unanimously to block the paycheck fairness act from being taken up for a vote. in its place, the grand ole party proposed nothing. instead republicans on the house, ways and means committee voted to waste even more taxpayer dollars in government resources in order to refer former irs official lois lerner

to the justice department for criminal prosecution. why? because republicans when it comes to their creepy obsession with lois lerner must have the final word as they did last month when chairman darrell issa cut the mike on elijah cummings. all of this is telling a its toll on anybody who would like to see government function, especially functioning members of the actual government like attorney general eric holder who could scarcely conceal his contempt for louis gohmert yesterday morning. >> the time of the gentleman has expired. >> unfortunately. -- asparagus. >> good luck? good luck with your asparagus. that is a reference to louis gomert's nonsensical comment two years ago when he asked the attorney to stop casting aspersions on my asparagus. the irony of this was probably

not lost on mr. hold here has had more aspersions cast upon him by house republicans than any other member of the obama white house. but despite republicans' best efforts at distraction and drummed up controversy, sometimes they do put forward something of substance. something worth discussing. a statement of principles like the ryan budget. give tax breaks to the wealthy has anything to do with priorities or, shhh, moral. >> remember, as you vote, a budget is a statement of your moral principles. if that kind of people get elected, either in the senate or in the presidency in 2016, this is what you're going to see. they're putting it right out there for everybody in america to see. >> that's a doozy. i have to tell you. that's a doozy. if that kind of people get elected. look, we think we should balance the budget, have government live

within its means and pay off our debt. if those kinds of people get elected, great. >> joining me now from washington is nbc's casey hunt. casey, paul ryan did not seem to like the question posed basically about this being a moral document, his budget. is it going to pass the house? >> well, the ryan budget has overwhelmingly passed the house repeatedly and it has caused some problems for republican who's have had to run in general elections. you saw mitt romney who ran on the same ticket with paul ryan do a little bit of dancing around some of what is included in this budget and of course, ryan didn't do the big splashy rollout this time around that he's done in years past. >> there was some concern, i guess, in several circles that, a, it didn't slash enough, or to your point, b, it would not be a completally expedient document to have one's name attached to.

but it sounds like those concerns have been allayed and it will pass republican only support. >> it seem like that is something probably likely at this point. but it is very clear that it is already turning into a political football. you saw both leaders on the senate side asked about this yesterday and senator mitch mcconnell was asked, you know, whether it was something he would want to have to see his own members vote for. and he even hedged a little bit. he said he thought the budget took steps in the right direction but he wouldn't go so far as to say, yes, absolutely this was something that senate republicans were dying to vote on. >> you know, speaking of the senate, kasie, today every single republican senator voted to block debate on the paycheck fairness act 53-44. was there any sense of consternation or perhaps regret? or perhaps a sense that maybe republicans should have some kind of alternative here? if we are talking about the

question of pay equity and the problem therein in american society. >> i do think that they felt like they needed to try to put forward an alternative and they did have senator deb fisher of nebraska come out and make a pitch on behalf of republicans yesterday and they've proposed an amendment that would add to flex time. they say that what women really need are more flexible workplace roles. they argue this pay equity build-up would limit businesses' ability to make flexible arrangements with women. so i think you saw them feeling pressure by this move. but if you think about this in a little bit of a broader context, pay equity, the ryan budget, whether it is lois lerner and the irs and some of these other issues flaring up on the hill. it is all about playing base politics. both sides are appealing to the base of their party. and you know, the senator is getting lost. that's why you're seeing such --

>> an overwhelming majority of the country supports a raise in the minimum wage. that's not base politics. it may be politically expedient to highlight republican intrans intelligence but i don't think it is really fair to equate it with lois lerner. >> i'm just saying, for democrats, if you think about how the minimum wage policy plays into the mid-term elections, it is something motivates the person who are organizing to get their base to the polls. at the end of the day a mid-term election is very much about turnout. there are many issues where the public is in a certain place. you go back to guns and back ground checks. as far as looking ahead to these contests where the goal is to get as many of the voters to the polls as possible, focusing on minimum wage is a way to get unions to organize as aggressively as possible. >> the stakes are high and the democrats have not been secret about their concern about losing the senate. i'm going to end this segment by saying i think it is weird that

people will go to the polls because they want access to lois lerner's e-mails but i am not a conservative. >> the issue that seems to animate the base. >> indeed. thank you as always, my friend. just ahead, the maryland state house outs underwood. i'm sinora and this is my son, chris. i'm a messy person. i don't like cleaning. i love my son, but he never cleans up. always leaves a trail of crumbs behind. you're going to have a problem with getting a wife. uh, yeah, i guess. [ laughs ] this is ridiculous. christopher glenn! [ doorbell rings ] what is that? swiffer sweep & trap. i think i can use this. it picks up everything. i like this. that's a lot of dirt. it's that easy! good job chris! i think a woman will probably come your way. [ both laugh ]

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i never have felt that israel had the ability militarily to go 1200 miles or more to bomb iran militarily and then back to israel. the object country on earth that has that capability would be the united states and i don't believe it is appropriate for the united states to bomb iran over this issue, no. >> even if they have a nuclear weapon. >> well, you know, they got one

nuclear weapon. israel has what, 300 or more. nobody knows exactly how many. and i know every iranian realizes if they should try to use a nuclear weapon, iran would be wiped off the face of the earth which i think is so ridiculous, a self-destructive decision that they would not do it. >> that was president jimmy carter who sat down with my colleague chris matthews who sat down to talk about israel and the role of presidents in shaping the nation. chris interviewed president carter as he joined three other presidents this week in marking the anniversary of the passage of the civil rights act at the lyndon johnson library in texas. joining me now, host of msnbc's "hardball." a riveting piece of sound there. what do you think the implications are of carter saying that at this particular moment in history when we're trying to negotiate? >> a couple things. he has the street cred. he was the only guy to put together a peace treaty.

he doesn't care what we think. jimmy carter is fearless, right or wrong and he will have a lot of controversy about what he just said there. most people, certainly the president, i think any democrat or republican president would never say we're going to let iran have nuclear weapons and use deterrence as our policy. we're going to have to stop them from having weapons because they're too crazy to trust. that would be the argument, right or wrong. he was very tough on netanyahu saying this thing with the arab states recognizing israel not just as a country, as a sovereign state that should exist, but a jewish state per se. he said that is a purposeful stumbling block cooked up to kill the talks. he says that too which is very tough. >> i wonder, for this president, the one who is colonelly in the oval office. jimmy carter has been not exactly discreet about the lack between the two. >> he had some correspondence in the interview. later on in the interview which we'll show document, you're nice to tease here. he says, look, you won't get the

palestinians and the israelis to get together. they won't. you have to go into the room, put a plan on the table and call out either side for not backing it. you have to be the aggressor. you have to say here's the deal. here are the borders. this is what we're going to do for security in the jordan valley, trading land. we have to write the document. he said they'll never come up with it. he said it shouldn't be the secretary of state's job. it should be the president's. >> is this helpful? if you're jilly carter, are you doing this because you're frustrated on the sidelines or you want to move the peace process forward? >> if he wants to have a smooth rest of his life, he wouldn't be talking like this. he walks around and says what he thinks. >> what is the sense that you get from former democratic president who's are still alive and on the world stage gatherering in texas as they are. at this moment when the president is coming, the aca, the numbers on the affordable care act have strengthened him, he is coming off a really rough year.

>> we know this is a rough year. i was with reverend sharpton's group. and i got a big applause because it was the first time i thought about saying it out loud. let's get this straight. there are almost three more years to the obama presidency. this man who has been elected twice by majority vote, first guy since eisenhower to win two majority votes, believe it or not know will be president for almost three more years. get used to it. this isn't transition time in the basketball game. it isn't about to be over. three more years. there will be a election this november, new people taking office next january, then two more years of governance you understand him. we ought to think about what we'll get done or not get done over the next three and a half years. almost three years if you take january 20th as the starting point. >> we in the media and people in democratic circles talk about who is coming next. you did ask president carter about hillary clinton and his thoughts on her. >> he was not overwhelming. he said that electing hillary

clinton would probably put somebody in the white house, secretary clinton, who will be a ferry vent promoter of equal rights for women. he didn't exactly say i'm endorsing her. he kind of held back. >> of course she would be. do you think that was measured praise? >> i think it was a minimal endorsement. these people are all very competitive. especially, long decades of watching them. there's only so many top democrats from the south, white guys, to be blunl. there's only two, clinton, carter. >> the front doors are closed. >> kind of a zero sum game in that department. they really do not like to share. >> that's interesting. we don't think of hill as a southern politician but she was the first lady of arkansas. >> i think of new york. in new york, everybody is for hi hillary. they totaledy adopted hillary

clinton. >> still three more years of the obama administration. >> we have to make the best of it. and mitch mcconnell is sitting around with rejectionism and all that. the negativity. no matter what you say about the weaknesses of this president and he is not exactly everybody's guy. they slammed the door on his face the day he got elected. they slammed the door on his face. >> it is an unending saga. the chapters continue. chris matthews, we're doing a due he said tease for what will be an awesome interview. >> and we were looking up nancy kwan too. >> a movie star from the 1960s. >> a movie star from the 1960s. we'll tell why you. you will get to see -- chris will have the full interview with president carter tonight on "hardball" at 7:00 p.m. eastern. must-see television. coming up, maryland state legislators pull a maneuver that would make frank underwood proud. just not the guy who plays frank underwood. i will ask one of the real lawmakers about the campaign

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only the thing more satisfying persuading someone to do what i want, persuading them to do it on purpose. >> apparently the real life "house of cards" producers are not quite as savvy as their conniving protagonist. late monday night just before the end of the 2014 maryland general assembly session the legislature rejected a measure to provide millions of dollars in additional tax breaks for the wildly popular netflix series. it has been a contest to see which party, the maryland state legislature or the production company behind the series can outunderwood the other. weeks ago they threatened to leave maryland if lawmakers did not authorize $3.5 million extra to keep the filming location in

baltimore. very underwoodian. to be clear, "house of cards" has received over $26 million in tax credits thus far. but more is always more. these people invented frank underwood and the series had hoped for as much as $15 million to keep filming season three in the state of maryland. >> when the money is coming your way, you don't ask any questions. >> in a bid to win actual votes from maryland lawmakers, kevin spacey who plays the unscrupulous murderous spoiler frank underwood on the show even met with lawmakers to press the case at a reception last month. apparently sometimes frank underwood sometimes doesn't even get what he wants. the millions of extra dollars were rejected and in the end it evolved into a stand-off. senator verna jones rod well compared to it a men's anatomical measuring

competition. and another said he prefers the british version of "house of cards" and a lecture on the economic benefits of the tax program largely a conversation with himself. as frank himself once said -- >> i don't know whether to be proud or terrified. programs both. >> joining me now, state delegate for maryland, 16 district and may be of the general assembly ways and means committee. the man who set into contest this great test of wells. thanks for joining me. we talked about this a couple weeks ago. the saga continues. just to update our viewers, you played a pivotal role in issuing a, we'll call it a threat sxifl mean that in the best sort of underwoodian sort of word. if "house of cards" leaves your state, maryland may use emnenl domain to purchase. are you prepared to make good on

that threat given the current status of negotiations? >> i don't think that will be necessary. the language on emnenlt domain didn't wind up becoming law. it was taken out in conference. there should be enough money in the program under the laws that passed to keep them in the state. i was not a big fan of increasing the amounts. i really thought we had enough in the program to keep them hear. to keep the jobs here. so hopefully there will be enough to keep them here with what's passed. >> this is a story about corporate tax breaks. and the position that states have been put in to canada these programs and entertainment companies in their states and i'm going to quote rob reich. he said 40 sear ago the most valuable resource came in the form of a manufacturing plan that couldn't just one day get up and move. manufacturing plan is relatively immobile. today the most valuable resource is the brain power that puts together huge deals and manages

these in a complex process, whether they be entertainment or finance or technology, and they can move in a minute. that's the question, right? if the new industry and the new economy is based around mobile brain power, how do we stop a race to the bottom where states are forced, are kept hostage effectively to the highest bidder? >> i think we as states and the cities as well need to resolve not to be drawn into these bidding wars. that's not in anyone's interests long term. part of my frustration over this was we were willing to throw more money after what is at the end of the day, they come, they shoot, they leave. when we have a zero sum budget. when we only have so many dollars we can spend, i would rather put those moneys into education, higher ed, work force training. >> people don't really understand the tradeoff here. if you look at the numbers, state public pension costs.

there is a huge debate over how we cover the costs for state pensions. those are a fraction. in louisiana, for example, public pensions are 19% of the kormt subsidy total. in colorado, it is 30%. michigan, 32, pennsylvania, 36. this is a choice that state lawmakers make. what are they going to set moneys toward. what is the priority? how come therement is more discussion about that? >> hopefully this sort of fun aspects of this issue. make no mistake about it. i'm sure the fact this is a tv show is part of why we're getting attention for this. but hopefully it can spark a larger discussion about these corporate subsidies. we've got plenty of corporate subsidies beyond the film and production tax krexd in maryland we have biotech support, support for cyber technology. i was calculating, i think we have probably $50 million in different corporate payout programs. and some of these may be well

justified but really need to take a serious look. how much of the budget is going out to these programs. is it really justified and what are the opportunity costs? what are we not funding that we could be putting money behind that might be more useful? >> i would assume because the series focuses on lawmakers and politics that resonates with lawmakers who are inside and around the beltway. was there any amount of consternation or shock when the producers of the series came and said, we know you're giving us millions. we would like a couple million more. >> absolutely. absolutely. i think "house of cards" really, the capital behind it has themselves to blame for the controversy behind this because of the, over the top almost melodrama way they threatened. we want veep to come back. it is a great show. they are having a great experience filming in the state

so hopefully they'll come back but hopefully we'll be doing it as the cost much more reasonable to the taxpayers. >> it is a careful need tol thread here. you want to keep your position. but you do want them to keep filming "house of cards" in the state. do you have any feedback since the motion failed. >> it does include some additional money they can access if they need to to keep the productions here. i'm sure those conversations are ongoing but that's the greater point, is not it? we as individual legislators are under pressure from our own constituents who get jobs and economic benefits to not let them leave. but we also have the broader obligation to make sure we're making the best choices with taxpayer dollars. >> and i really applaud you in highlighting that this is a choice. and drawing a firm line in the sand, as much as we love with

bill underwood. thanks for your time. >> that's all for now. i'll see you back here at 4:00 p.m. show. the ed show is coming up next. good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show." i'm ready to go. let's get to work! >> there is just a week to go before the april 15th deadline for filing taxes. >> the american public is angry about offshore attacks abuse. >> is it really that hard out there for a pimp with $8 billion? >> the large corporations to be able to stash huge amounts of money. >> offshore corporations. >> i want corporate contribution to the tax revenue is the lowest of any major country on earth. >>