accomplishments, apparently. >> talking about the twitter? >> exactly. >> and a public debate. >> listen, i've got a lot of responses. you ask a question like that, to the panel, what's her biggest accomplishment as secretary of state, one of the great things about twitter. immediately you get, you know, thousands of people responding what they think that is. that's good. >> we end the show with what you learned about what you're going to do for claire? >> claire, i'm going to do -- yardwork for you. it's way too early. it's "morning joe." stick around, chuck todd live from austin city limits. 50 years after a monumental push of presidential power. lyndon johnson's legislative legacy, and the 1964 civil rights act are the focus of three days of reflection on the history since that time, in consideration of what should happen next. four of johnson's successors

have been taking part all week. day one, saw jimmy carter deliver tough talk on quality. today featuring president obama and president george w. bush and last night, it was president clinton's turn. >> is this what martin luther king gave his life for? is this what lyndon johnson employed his legendary skills for? is this what america has become, a great, diverse, thriving democracy for, to restrict the franchise? we have too many current challenges to waste a day trying to re-create a yesterday that we're better off done with. >> good morning from beautiful austin, texas. here on the campus, of course, of the university of texas. right behind me, the lbj library where all of these speeches and

events have been taking place all week. big one later today with president obama. let's get started with my first read of the morning, and we begin with just that. just over three hours from now, president obama will deliver the keynote address here to mark the 50th anniversary of lbj's 1964 civil rights act. it's the latest chapter, and in a sometimes complicated, tense relationship, apparently between the families of the 36th president and the 44th president. few things annoy this white house more than the kind of advice "washington post" columnist dolled out in 2012. he told the particular ed to study lbj, because it will "teach him how to be president." where johnson was strong and unparalleled, pech relationships with mr. washington, obama is frighteningly weak. last week i asked a member of the senate if he knows of anyone who really knows obama, he said he does not. president, of course, bristled at the idea if he just had better personal relationships

with members of congress, a tougher negotiator, a better back slapper or earthier politician, in other words, more like lyndon johnson, that somehow the legislative standstill of the past two years would grind into gear. in fact, in an interview with the "new yorker's" david remnick a few months ago, president obama argued when he lost that historic majority and the glow of that landslide 1964 victory faded johnson had the same problems with congress most presidents at one point or another have. i say that not to suggest i'm a master wheeler-dealer but rather to suggest they are structural institutional realities to our political system that don't have much to do with schmoozing. meanwhile, johnson acolytes are annoyed, president johnson, they believe are a product of what lbj fought so hard to pass barely mentioned him even on the 100th anniversary of lbj's birth when he accepted the democratic presidential nomination in 2008.

his rare mentions of johnss as a liberal straight man who makes obama look more centrist by comparesing. comparison. >> democrat lyndon johnson announced the great society during a commencement here at michigan, but it was the republican president before him, dwight eisenhower, who launched the massive government undertaking known as the interstate highway system. >> but now on the 50th anniversary of the war on poverty, after veering away from the "liberal label" for years, democrats seized on johnson's ideas about economic inequality hoping to mobilize their own base ahead of the 2014 election. >> in a speech 50 years ago president johnson talked about communities on the outskirts of hope, where opportunity was hard to come by. >> still its populist merges like new york mayor bill de blasio and not the president have become the liberal wing new

stars. in the end the question is not only what the president owes to johnson but how much their legacies might share, like johnson the president passed a prodigious amount of legislation in this first two years, health care reform, wall street reform, student loan overall, repeal of don't ask, don't tell and a s.t.a.r.t. treaty and johnson faced questions about overoverreach would sink his presidency. although obama the first post-vietnam president rejected the idea of quagmires abroad withdrawing troops from iraq and afghanistan, the foreign policy changes he'll faces from a nuke kpler iran to a civil war in syria to the growing conflict with russia could still come to dominate his second term. fred johnson's family is a big part of this three-day summit here as well at the library and in fact yesterday i had the pleasure of speaking to two members of the president's family before i left for austin about their personal memories of lbj, his legacy and the lessons they hope future presidents,

including the current one, learn from their father and grandfather. >> on november 22, 1963, luci baines johnson was sitting in spanish class when she heard about president kennedy's assassination. within hours her father lyndon johnson was president and lucy subbedly was a first daughter at just 16. more than 50 years later, ms. johnson is part of a concerted effort along with family and members of the late president's inner circle to provide a fuller picture of johnson's years in the white house including an attempt to spotlight his long list of domestic achievements that fell under the heading of lbj's great society. among them of course the civil rights act, creation of medicare, creation of headstart, establishment of public television, a dozen environmental laws including the clean air act. and lucy johnson front and center as he signed the acts. but recognized vietnam has taken up much of the oxygen talking about his legacy.

she hear s warring protesters outside the white house day and night. vietnam was her father's cross to bear and you can hear that in his father's own voice. a phone call just six months into his presidency on this issue in 1964. take a listen. >> worries the hell out of me. i don't see what we can get out of there once committed. once i believe the chinese communist coming into it, i don't think we can fight them 10,000 miles ewa aaway from homd get anywhere in that area. i don't think it's worth fighting for and i don't think we can get out. >> it's an awful mess. >> that was 1964. joining me, his youngest daughter, and her daughter. thank you both. lucy, let me start with you. >> launch. it's our joy. >> i want to focus 90% of my time on the domestic side of things but given what we just heard -- >> i'm grateful for that. >> in your father's voice on

vietnam. it is sort of a remarkable thing to hear him say that in '64, and you talk about it, it's his cross to bear. explain. >> well, my father had the responsibility of the presidency, and when you have that challenge in front of you and you have an agenda domestically that you want mightily to achieve, and you have a war from which you cannot extricate yourself, it really becomes your, your cross to bear, because the focus on the domestic policy that meant so much to my father was distracted, and both of his son untils went to vietnam. he was responsible for having to grandparent the young children left behind. he had to watch a nation be torn apart over all of this agony. it was all so very personal.

>> nicole, what's it like to study your own grandfather in history? given that you were 3 when he died, i imagine in many ways he, he's an historical figure to you, too, and he's your grandfather. >> he is. i guess i was pretty fortunate in the fact that i was born and raised here in austin, texas, and my grandparents decided to, after leaving the white house, come home here. so i was fortunate to be able to spend a lot of his final days with him, and the other thing is, is today we're so spoiled with modern technology and kids having phones and everything documented. well, for me, so much of my life with him was documented, and -- because of who he was. so i feel very fortunate and very lucky that i was able to spend so much time with him in his final days. >> i want to move to what this week's about, which, of course, is honoring the 50th anniversary of the civil rights act and lucy, in your op-ed, it was

fascinating that you were talking about, that you said you asked your dad why he gave the first pen, no the to one of the civil rights leaders, but to every ert dirksen, republican leader in the senate after he signed this historic legislation. tell me what he said to you. >> well, he said, because, lucy baynes, i didn't have to convince a one of those civil rights leaders to be before that legislation. they were already for it with me. he said, but everett dirksen and his side of the aisle, that was an entirely different matter and if the senator hadn't been willing to stand up for civil rights and for the 1965 voting rights act, we would have had just a bill, not a law, and because of everett dirksen's courage and the other members of his party's willingness to come with us, we have a law today. the civil rights leaders, i, and

the nation. >> and do you see that as a lesson for future presidents, current presidents, past presidents, that succeeded your father? >> well, my father's very favorite biblical passage was from isaiah. come, let us reason together, and i think that was very much his focus when he was in the united states congress, and in the senate and in the presidency, and i think it is a lesson that we can all learn from. blessed are those who try to make peace. >> nicole, what's the lesson you want for our generation, you and i are about the same age, for the next generation, the millennials down from this week? what do you want the lessen sows to be to take away from this? >> well, my grandfather always said, you know, your work done. we've made strides with the 1964 civil law act and we still have work to be done. my generation focused oh much on

the gay rights move vment. >> do you think your father would be front and center on this, gay marriage and gay rights? >> i do. i think he believed everyone should have every equal opportunity and i feel like he would be right there with us leading the way, and i feel like he would be really proud of what we are doing here today with the civil rights summit, and i think that he -- he loved children, and he would be passionate about watching this next generation take the reins of the helm and move forward. >> lucy, it was interesting after he signed all of these civil rights legislations, not just the civil rights act of '64, voting rights act of '65, he delivered we would be divided along racial lines. sort of predicted it. what advice would he give to the democratic party and frankly

even the republican party to try to bridge that divide? >> well, i cannot put words in my father's mouth, after his death, as i dared not in his lifetime. >> shouldn't do it in his life. right. >> but i believe with all that's in me that my father felt that we needed to see how we could come and reason together to create social justice, and that's what he did in the time that was given to him. i have every reason to believe that that's what he would hope that we could do in the time that is given to us. obviously, we have a long way to go in that direction, but it is my hope in the civil rights summit that we'll all be able to come together, look back at the 50 years and what we were able to achieve with such a mighty agenda, that really rid our country of legalized apartheid and look forward and realize just how much we have to do

until everybody can fully participate in this country. one of my father's favorite quotes was along this line -- until justice is blind to color, until people are unaware of race, until education is unconcerned with the color of men's skin, emancipation will be a proclamation but not a fact. so it is today. not a fact, but in coming together and reasoning at the summit, we hope we'll make strides so that one day it will be. >> wow. i feel like i'm here hearing the cadence of your dad in there. >> only then will we overcome. >> nicole, i want to ask you, what do you want to hear from president obama? what message do you hope he's going to bring? >> i hope -- and i think -- that president obama will come here and see just how much and how

hard lyndon johnson worked for civil rights, and i know the president feels this way. i think having him on this campus, surrounded by so many of lyndon johnson's family and colleagues, will really make him feel welcome, and that lyndon johnson laid the pathway for where he is today. >> i think that that definitely -- >> my father -- >> go ahead, lucy. >> the 1964 civil rights act was signed on my 17th birthday. nobody would ever get a better birthday present, but on my father's 100th birthday, we stood by his grave as we realized that a young senator obama was being nominated by his party to run for the presidency, because of his competence and his capacity, and his

compassion. >> right. >> and incidentally, he was a man of color. what a phenomenal birthday present that was to lyndon johnson and being able to have the president here will be a great gift to the institution that bears his name. >> i appreciate you sharing those stories, and sharing those thoughts, nicole and luci baines johnson, a privilege to talk to you both. thanks very much. >> thank you. our honor. perfect way to kick off this day here at the lbj library. coming up i have nfl hall of famer and civil rights activist himself jim brown will be here, plus the head of the library. of course, before we go to break, the politics planner. a big day in 2014 politics pap vote on the paul ryan budget. what will the house republicans running for senate do? scott brown officially announces his campaign and, of course, a lot going on here. we'll be right back. marge: you know, there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber.

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slashing motions. i believe from what i saw personally that a lot of the injuries were slashing, not so much puncture. he just went down the halls swinging the two knives he had. >> and we're learning more about how the rampage was brought to an end. investigators say a student helped the assistant's principal tackle the suspect that ended the rampage. prosecutors told the judge he might not be competent to stand trial but the teen's father would only say this to reporters yesterday -- you. >> my apologies to everyone who was injured today and i hope they recover as quickly as possible. >> students and neighbors held a half dozen vigils last night, neighbors said he was quiet, not well-known. at least 50 fbi agents finished collecting evidence late last night. adjoining k-8 classes are open in other parts of the campus. the high school will reopen monday. some students aren't sure they're going to be ready to go

back to school on monday. >> i -- just heard people shoving, running down the hallway, screaming. some girl came up to me and said, he has a knife and he's stabbing people, and that's all i got. >> our school is a good school. like, we don't have that much bad of a bullying. i never expected a kid would do something like this. he didn't look harmful at all. >> it's going to be hard walking down that hallway when i go back to school. knowing that, like -- if i were there, like, earlier in the day, that could have been me inside forbes hospital. >> it's going to be tough for quite some time. back here at the lbj library, coming up next, going to be talking to jim brown, nfl hall of famer, and legend. there he is ready to go. civil rights activist. about then and now. speaking of legends, nearly 50 years ago today, senator ted kennedy gave his first speech on the senate floor, urging support of the civil rights act of 1964.

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bill was the fruition of years of work by president johnson, president kennedy before him, and many african-american leaders. during those turbulent times jim brown was earning a national profile with the cleveland browns, and establishing himself as the greatest running back in nfl history. but he was more than a player. brown was also committed to advancing civil rights. like many other outspoken african-american athletes criticized rather than celebrated for his stance. after refiring from football in 1966 brown spent time trying to help black-run businesses working in urban neighborhoods. he found the group amer-ican. good day to you. >> good day to you. >> thanks for joining us. >> that's quite an introduction. >> i richard you coming on. so when you think about where things were 50 years ago and think about where we are today, we heard president carter say,

we can't rest on our laurels. it's not over. what do you say to that? >> he's absolutely right. in fact, president carter gave a wonderful speech the other night. question & answer session. if we took that tape and put it in every school in this country we'd be doing the youngsters a great favor. we've come a long ways at the top, and the masses of people have not moved very much at all. there's so much work to be done. the violence in our neighborhoods is unbelievable. the deterioration of educational system, it's very obvious, and there is no voice, and i think president kennedy was saying that we need to come together -- clinton, not kennedy. we need to come together as a people, and, you know, give the

world hope. >> you said there's no voice. who should be that voice? >> well, i'll tell you, i guess it should be the president of the united states. >> you get ten minutes with president obama today. what are you going to say to him? >> i would tell him to reach out and talk to some of us who are ready to be soldiers for him to do some of the things that we understand and to utilize the contacts and relationships that we have at the top and the bottom in this country. ray lewis, for example, is a tremendous human being that's ready to work with ray lewis and myself. >> retired baltimore raven linebacker? >> yes. he's the young generation, and you have a lot of these young men, emmitt smith, marcus allen, that are ready to come together and use our celebrity, use our resources to embrace the young people of this country, and to send a -- a message to them that

they have not been forgotten. there is a great opportunity for them to step in and create another 1964 -- >> moment -- summit. moment, yes. >> you were criticized, muhammad ali criticized in the '60s. you decided to use your celebrity to become an activist and you got the criticisms, oh, he's being, you know, ruffling feathers and this or that. looking back now, it's embarrassing, frankly, the way. >> yes. >> the media treated you at that time. we know what the underline, it was code words and things like that. today's athletes, do you want more of them to be speaking out on some social justice issues? do you think some of them worry too much about their marketability, rather than thinking about, oh, i want to sell stuff to everybody type of thing. i don't want to ruffle feathers? >> you've described it perfectly. they're business people now.

they're entrepreneurs. >> nothing wrong with that. >> no. this is the american way, and they're taking advantage of it, but the sacrifice that went down in the civil rights movement, the way that the fight was carried on, it was not for the people that present day, it was for people of the future, and the way was cleared for these young people to take the advantage of this great countries, and they are taking advantage of it, but they put the emphasis on how much money and how much celebrity that they have, and it's almost tragic, because the buffoonery that goes on is what we called against, yet these guys are voluntarily dancing in the end zone and shaking their behinds at the camera, and -- but yet you have the exceptions to the rule. so our hope is in the young men that are different than most of our present day athletes. >> what is it that you're hoping

to hear today from president obama? you were talking about what you would tell him. what do you -- what lessons do you want him to be drawing? you know, he was 3 when the civil rights bill was signed. no. it was -- there certainly is a generational difference, a little bit. >> yes. >> so what is the -- what is it that you hope, the lessons he's going to draw and push forward? i'm told he wants to make it a forward-looking speech. >> well, i think he has to realize he was 3, and that here someone else, not the white house, have put together an historic the event. this is a fantastic gathering of diversified people, and it's the first time in a long time i had this feeling, and if he can understand that the government can lead us in this type of thing. tell you back off of this -- and utilize the friendship and the education that's being supplied here by the, the people that run

the library, and the johnson family, and carry that across the country, and a lot of the old guard will be happy to come together again, and to encourage the young guard and follow our president and have a real, a mass meeting of the minds dealing with positivity e tity of the great things that we have about this country. so take advantage of the people that have the experience, and they will follow you, and where have you been? >> ready to go. >> i'm ready to go. >> wow. >> and so are my compadres. >> i've got to pause the interview. the good news you'll do a web chat, answering for questions if you have for him. go to msnbc.com. going to web chat with you for a while. logon to be a part of it. of course, here in texas today,

but our tdr 50 focus this week has been on north carolina, which fits perfectly with theme of this civil rights summit. where the protests started. in february of 1964, african-american college students sat down at a whites only lunch counter in greensboro and asked to be served. well, they weren't. what began at that woolworth's lunch counter ignited a movement. here's nbc's reporter in greensboro on the 25th anniversary of that historic sit-in. >> it's almost impossible now to believe that, you know, it started here at this counter. >> reporter: it started with richmond and three other black students who had the nerve to ask for food where only whites were permitted to sit and spread within 54 cities within days and contributed to a movement that started the change the country's mind about civil rights. >> while that peaceful protest movement worked, that

woolworth's lunch counter was deseg gra dated on july tath, 1960 and a piece of that historic counter is now in display at the smithsonian. we'll be back with more from austin on this beautiful campus of the university of texas. he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. i was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again. and now i've got to take more pills. ♪ yup. another pill stop. can i get my aleve back yet? ♪ for my pain, i want my aleve. ♪ [ male announcer ] look for the easy-open red arthritis cap.

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fascinating bit of juxtaposition, new numbers show the public ranks johnson among the worst of all the modern presidents. a gallup coal found johnson ranked ninth ahead of only gerald ford and richard nixon. nearly half of americans said merely an average president and 22% said poor. of course, that's all about vietnam. mark uptogrove, and welcome to you both. mark, start with you on a complicated legacy of lbj. you've obviously written a book on it, a book on him, and you guys in many ways, this summit is about trying to paint a more fuller picture of the lbj presidency. is it? >> that's right. vietnam is really clouded the legacy of lbj, and i think it takes us a long time sometimes to get clear perspective on our presidents. >> ask harry truman. >> exactly right.

taken a particularly long time for this president, because vietnam so divided this country for so long and i think as passions recede and we get farther from that era we get a clearer view of his legislative legacy, which is mammoth. >> what are you doing? how do you want to study johnson here? you're a fellow here, doing study. what are you trying to get out of the library? >> absolutely looking at the domestic part of president johnson's legacy and right now i think we're looking at equality 2.0. during the 1960s, during johnson's presidency, we were looking at the civil rights challenges of african-americans. today we're seeing a continuation of those challenges, yet at the same time seeing new struggles with women, women's rights. also seeing it with latinos in the issue of immigration. with gray rights. how do we take the johnson legacy of equal opportunity and apply it today? >> speaking of immigration, on a couple days ago, running through the list of domestic things, by the way, don't forget

immigration. >> right. >> mark, remind viewers what he did on immigration. he wrote the law. >> he did. that's really the fourth civil rights law that lyndon johnson passed, passed three voting rights. civil rights act of '64ened a the fair housing act of '68. immigration really should be among those laws insofar as we had quotas that restricted many people from other parts of the world, non-european parts of the world, from coming into the united states. there was bigotry that stood at our borders, and the immigration act of 1965, the most sweeping immigration reform in our country's history changes all that. >> obviously, there's all of these comparisons between lbj's domestic legacy, president obama's domestic legacy. is it a fair comparison? >> i think that the essence is the same. they are both fighting for equality. we had the war on poverty and even though we don't call it the war on inequality today, i would say it is somewhat of a war on

inequality, but i also think it's interesting to see all of the differences. lbj and president obama, very different leaders. very different backgrounds if you look at krir cvs and the context incredibly different. the movement of the 1960s is quite different than we're facing today. >> i never want to do a segment or a show when you're talking about lbj without hearing from him. so let me play a clip here of one of the phone calls lbj was having with martin luther king talking about the civil rights act. take a listen. >> i think one of the great tributes that we can pay in memory of president kennedy is to try to enact some of the great progressive policies that he sought to initiate. >> well, i'm going to support them all and you can count on that and i'm going to do my best to get other men to do likewise and i'll have to have y'alls help. i never need it more than now. >> you know you have it and feel free to call on us for anything. >> thank you so much, martin. >> you know, mark, i guess

what's interesting there is that lbj decided and he said it, i'm going to, you know, make kennedy a martyr for something. you know? so that, and he used it in '64 and used it in '65, but let's not forget, it was a complicated relationship that johnson had with the kennedy family. >> well, it was, but johnson let no crisis go to waste. and he used the assassination of john f. kennedy to implore reluctant lawmakers to pass the civil rights act of 1964. he would say, your slain president would have wanted this. this is a way to honor his legacy. he used other techniques. >> waving a bloody shirt, but that was -- >> he knew that was one effective tactic in getting it through. interesting, he says in that conversation, chuck, he says, i'm going to support them all and you can count on that. but martin luther king has no assurance that lbj will make good on that promise. this res relationship evolves and martin luther king sees the purity of johnson's intentions,

sees his passion for his issue and johnson gets it done. >> what are you expecting from president obama today? >> i want to hear a continuation how we go forward. we have a commemoration, celebration 50 years of civil rights, but how do we go forward for the next 50 years, the next 100 years to form a more perfect union. >> got to leave it there. much more to come here at the lbj library in the special edition of "the daily rundown." first here at the university of texas, got to tell you what the soup of the day is. at o's cafe, the place to eat. eve an location at the lbj library and today serving up -- i think it's a staple here in austin. chicken tortilla. you can't have soup unless the chicken tore ketiltortilla. ♪ [ both sigh ] ♪ ugh! ♪ you told me he was good, dude. yeah he stinks at golf. but he was great at getting my claim paid fast. how fast? mine got paid in 4 days.

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will look upon them as traitors in some sort of way, and you need to have compromise. anybody who has ever been married knows that compromise is an important part of it. >> well, we opened with lucy so we thought we'd close with linda. very fitting here. welcome back to the lbj library. we have wayne slater from "the dallas morning news" and linda rob, married to chuck rob and father in congress, that is where she the two the most animated with you, wasn't it? >> it was. it was interesting to hear her get animated and she talks about the political conviction that existed when the civil rights act was passed and you have senate minority leader fred dirk sen who put his career on the line. she doesn't see the same type of

conviction. having said that, there's no doubt that johnson was also, some would say a master of the senate and had a deep understanding with the senate and deep relationships with the senators and wasn't afraid to work the phone. >> sure. wayne, the white house, they hate that comparison. they don't like it and it is interesting to me. we were notes this earlier, robert dallic likes to say that the president, when we look back on them we view them on the current way. ten years ago, people were looking at it negatively. oh, my god, it's bush, lbj, iraq and all over again. now lamenting from new york and d.c., liberal elites and they're going to plays about lbj. they're coming here and they're missing the lbj of doing business in congress. >> it's the barry goldwater issues and you begin to see the virtues of what you did and the white house hates the

comparison. you have two men, lyndon johnson and barack obama both of whom who embrace the idea that govern am can change things and be active and involved and to be com placen with the obama folks. how come your guy isn't doing the big stuff right away to which the obama say these are different people and different men. here in tense techs we look at lyndon johnson increasingly in the context of civil rights as a wheeler dealer, but on a mission from god. >> i hear you, but it's interesting. the white house will suddenly say, hey, pulled out of two wars, health care, wall street reform. they'll say this list is pretty long, too, and in fact, i talked with one aide who said maybe 50 years from now there will be a different appreciation. >> absolutely. i think when you look at the majority, for example, in the congress that lbj had, certainly substantial when you look at what president obama has -- >> sure.

>> you have southern democrats that were not necessarily a majority. >> but they point to health care. they say he was able to get health care passed and there was a lot of opposition to health care. >> wayne, i'm fascinated by -- we're talking about obama and lbj, but to me there is another former president here who speaks today who i think has a lot of interest to seeing a presidency looked at in a different way and that is president george w. bush. he was the last president to speak today. he's got the same issue in many ways that lbj had to deal with when it came to the war that was unpopular that drags down his legacy. >> and i have to think, when president bush comes here this afternoon and he looks at the library and he focuses as we all are this week on the civil rights and the social, domestic issues, but he has to think that you look at the vietnam war and how it is looked at in a different way. maybe his library and maybe his legacy will be viewed in difrn

terms. i think it will be some years from now. >> it always depends on that moment in time. crystal walker, wayne slater, thank you. chris jansing is coming up next. i'll see you later. (meow mix jingle) right on cue. (laughs) it's more than just a meal, it's meow mix mealtime.

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the bridgegate scandal. so is this the end of chris christie's rob lems or will a bigger, federal investigation trump all of it. attorney general eric holder says he's faced unprecedented adversity and he is the president are treated differently. is this about race. president obama is set to address the civil rights in austin, texas and we'll talk about maria shriver and her father's war to end the war on poverty. there is an intense investigation and the search for clues as to why a 16-year-old student charged with going on a stab bei

stabbing rhame page. we're piecing together a puzzling portrait of sophomore alex hribal. he wanted to die after he was tackled by a fellow student, an assistant principal and school security officer. he's being held without bail and charged as an adult with 26 counts including four of attempted homicide. three students remain in critical condition and one is described as extremely critical. we are expected to get an update from hospital officials later in the hour and we could hear from one of the victims at that time. last night a vigil was held as the rural pennsylvania community tries to make sense of this violent knife attack. >> i was just so scared and i didn't know what to do, and all i could really think about was did this just really happen? like, i couldn't believe that my best friend just took a knife for me. i could tell you exactly how much blood was on that knife and it's -- it's -- i couldn't -- it's just too scary. nbc's ron allen is live