stabbing rhame page. we're piecing together a puzzling portrait of sophomore alex hribal. he wanted to die after he was tackled by a fellow student, an assistant principal and school security officer. he's being held without bail and charged as an adult with 26 counts including four of attempted homicide. three students remain in critical condition and one is described as extremely critical. we are expected to get an update from hospital officials later in the hour and we could hear from one of the victims at that time. last night a vigil was held as the rural pennsylvania community tries to make sense of this violent knife attack. >> i was just so scared and i didn't know what to do, and all i could really think about was did this just really happen? like, i couldn't believe that my best friend just took a knife for me. i could tell you exactly how much blood was on that knife and it's -- it's -- i couldn't -- it's just too scary. nbc's ron allen is live outside forbes hospital in monroeville,

pennsylvania, with the latest for us. good morning. we understand police are checking reports about an angry phone call between the suspect and another student the night before the attacks? >> reporter: yes, chris. that's one of many lines of investigation that the police are pursuing as they try to answer that question of why, and of course, no one now can make sense of all this. there are also some reports that the defendant may have been bullied at some point during the past day or two before or in the weeks before this happened. again, everyone trying to make sense of a senseless act, but no confirmation that that's exactly what they're looking for. the defense attorney for the young man said that there had not been any bullying. that was not a factor and no confirmation about these reports of a phone call and an angry exchange between he and another student the night before. the investigation continues. here at the hospital we've had some good news. there are -- there's one fewer patient in critical condition who was upgraded today just a

little while ago and there was a lot of concern about the 17-year-old student who is at another hospital who is said to be in extremely critical condition and underwent emergency surgery and is on a breathing apparatus and heavily sedated and yesterday during the arraignment of the suspect the prosecutors were describing what happened to this young man, the victim. they said that his wound was absolutely horrific and i would suspect that he is one of the victims that accounts for the four attempted homicide charges that the young man hribal is facing. just a horrific wound. the doctors have said that the knife almost caught him in the heart and it went right through him and near his spine, as well. a horrific injury and we're hoping he hangs on and we hear more news about him, better news as the day goes on? we are expecting that news conference in the next half hour. ron allen, thank you. let's bring in criminal profiler clint van zandt. we've heard quite a few things since we spoke yesterday.

students who know the suspect, alex hribal, know him as shy, quiet. they describe him as the shy kid in the corner and i want to play what the family attorney had to say. >> they offer their condolences to everybody in this case. they're very upset and they did not foresee this coming at all. this is a nice young man. he's never been in trouble. he's not a loner. he -- he works well with other kids at school. >> b-plus student, clint, from a stable home. the family says they had dinner together every night. does this just say to us there is no profile of a kid who would do something like this? >> well, i think there is, you know -- there are signs we should be looking for. look, chris, the parents of the two boys who did the shooting at columbine, the shooter at sandy hook, his mother, they would all say our children may have had some challenges, but nothing significant. we as parents have a tendency to

overlook or to cross our fingers and hope it will get better, but i can tell you as a profiler and someone who has dealt with violence in schools and violence in the workplace that people don't just snap. there are always pre-incident indicators with a student. you may have a change in his clothing, a change in how clean he keeps himself. he may have less friends or different friends. he may get caught up again like the shooter at sandy hook in violent video movies and in that case, guns and in this case, knives. if life does sometimes imitate the movies, i am told there are tv shows that show actively young people with knives, slashing, stabbing to include this week a school-type setting. could he have seen something like that? could that have set him off? but the bottom line is there would have been pre-incident indicators. we either missed them, ignore them or just pass them by and we have to find better ways to deal with people in need whether it's an adult in a violence in a

workplace situation or a child in a school. >> this, in particular, though, is a rare occurrence. a criminologist tells "the post gazette" there have been only seven mass stabbings where four or more people were killed. you have someone wielding not one, but two 8-inch kitchen knives and he has to come right up to the victims. this isn't something done from a distance, so what does that tell you? >> knives are a very personal, up-close type of thing. i mean, the emotion, chris that it takes, number one to wield those knives and we've seen pictures of this young man. he's not a big kid and doesn't look overly strong or something, but the adrenaline and the emotion that was driving him to walk down this hall and use this back and forth, these knives and we are told the parents didn't have guns in the house. his father made a statement, i

didn't think i had to go in the kitchen and make account of kitchen knives every day. we tell people to lock up dwgun and keep them away from children and other people, but in this it took less planning. >> let me interrupt you for just a success because one of the things that struck me in the news conference yesterday at forbes hospital was the chief surgeon said he was struck by the fact that there seemed to be a pattern. that the wounds seemed to be in the same place on most of the victims designed, it seemed to him to hit major organs. does that suggest to you some sort of planning? >> well, i saw that same conference, chris. what you and i saw was a doctor suggesting that the wounds were on the right, upper part of the body and the right quadangle of the of the body. if he's walking down the hall and the victims, let's say are running on his right side and

he's slashing and stabbing, what he has to hit are the right side of their bodies. i think we're probably going to plan and there is little planning and there may have been a lot of emotional buildup over the last days and weeks and that's what the fbi is looking for and they're looking at his computer, his cell phone and the 24 hours prior to this when he acted out. if you have a gun, you have to get ammunition and you have to know how the gun works and get your hands on it. a knife, you walk in the kitchen and open the drawer. so this may have been the emotional volcano that erupted perhaps within the last 24 hours and he just takes the knives out of the kitchen on his way to school this morning and acts out in this terrible fashion. again, is that something we can stop if we can identify the pre-incident behaviors and not only teachers, but students understand what that behavior is to be able to share it with the

faculty and with the teachers. woe can start to identify this behavior and stop terrible incidents like this. >> clint van zandt. always good to talk to you. >> i want to bring in safety expert kenneth trump, director of school safety and security services. good morning. >> good morning, creighs. >> school safety protocolses are being reviewed and he believes a lot of thingses went right. i want to play what he said. >> the school has a wonderful emergency preparation plan as does the police department, and i think it all came together yesterday. as tragic as this was, it could have been worse, and i think everybody came together under that plan and cooperated. >> i'm curious about these emergency preparations plan. is it a one size fits all or would it be different, for example, for a shooting versus a stabbing, versus some other kind of incident. >> the focus should not be on the the type of weapon, but the preparation of the staff that underlies all of that. excuse me. we would prepare for the same types of incidents.

obviously a gun shot will cause more damage faster, but there was a lot of damage done yesterday. same issues come into play, though. what's your staff supervision at that time in the morning? do you have more kids in the morning than adults in doors often open early. have them practice at times of the day during lunch, when we know there are shootings, stabbings and other things tend to occur and the answer tends to be we don't diversify. we don't adapt and we don't try more challenging things. we have to balance that out and there are some situations where there's a little bit of overkill, i think, over the top effort of teaching kids to throw things and attack our gunmen and the question that arose yesterday also is the issue of pulling the fire drill. i tend to have a different perspective than some and while it may have worked for many yesterday, you don't want to have a situation where kids are secured and could be locked down in the classroom and you're pulling a firearm and putting

them into the hallway in the hans of other attackers nearby. we need to be careful that we follow practices. we're 15 years away from columbine. >> since columbine, schools have had new strategy, new drills. are schools less safe than they used to be? are we just hearing about this more? where are we in this whole thing? >> the good news is, chris, that we're getting better at preventing this. we don't hear about the kids who that come forward and attacks that never materialize like this. the bad news is they'll slip through the crack, but think about this, we're 15 years this month from columbine and we have a new generation of superintendents, school boards, principal, first responders and students who may never have been exposed to those best practices. we don't need to reinvent the wheel. we have to look back at what we learned. part of that is building

relationships with kids and it's not a metal detector. we learn about plots and weapons from kids who come forward and tell a trusting adult. technology can help and we need to focus the people, the training and the drills and the awareness and keep the balance and realize we're working in a will child-oriented setting with children that are autistic and emotional disorders so you're not running a s.w.a.t. team through the hallways and they're tactics that many people don't don't know. kenneth, great to have your expertise. checking the news feed. a massive man hunt in florida under way for the person police say is responsible for a horrible hit and run accident at a day care center. police believe this man, robert was behind the wheel sending it into the day care. a 4-year-old girl died and 11 other children were hurt. the driver the car that was forced into the building was not hurt. an elite fbi team was called

in to rescue a north carolina man who was kidnapped from his home five days ago. frank, arthur jansen was the target of a plot and was being held inside an atlanta apartment. police have not talked motive, but jansen's daughter is a prosecutor in north carolina so there is a possibility of a connection to that. the search is narrowing for malaysia airlines flight 370. an australian airplane picked up a signal in the same area, consistent with a black box. they dropped sound-locating buoys and the australian officials says he's hopeful crews are closing in on the final resting place of the jet. coming up, we'll talk to maria shriver about the fight for civil rights at the lbj summit. eric holder says he's facing unprecedented adversity. he vin . oh, i just did it.

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is raising eyebrows and drawing some criticism for suggesting race has something to do with the way he's treated and with how the president's treated. just a day after a tense exchange tuesday on the hill with texas congressman louis gohmert, holder spoke to the national action network. strained from his planned rem k remarks he said this. >> i am pleased to note that the last five years have been defined by significant strides and by lasting reforms even in the face -- even in the face of unprecedented, unwarranted, ugly and divisive adversity. if you believe that, you look at the way -- forget about me. forget about me. you look at the way the attorney general of the united states was treated yesterday by a house committee.

it had nothing to do with me. forget that. what attorney general has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? [ applause ] >> what president has ever had to deal with that kind of treatment? >> joining me now new york democratic congressman charles rangel. always good to see you, congressman. good morning. >> good morning, chris. >> you know what it is to break through. you were the first african-american chair of the house, ways and means committee. what do you think about eric holder had to say? >> it was painful to hear that. it was so painful to hear when president obama first got elected that the republican party which is the other wing of democracy said their first job was to get rid of him, and then it built up and we saw what happened to eric holder and then it became a issue that no matter what this president wanted, the hatred had built up to such an intensity that they would vote no. no for a debt ceiling, no for

health care. so it seems to me that if you were to follow where the slave-holding states were and where the confederate flag flown, you would see even today not only obama's most serious critics, but those people that don't abide by the voting rights act even today. so it's a painful thing to see with all of the progress we've made that a handful of people with so much hatred in their heart are willing to take this great congress and country down because of that, but what happened to eric holder and what happens every day with the president is not their personality. this is what some people in our country are doing to ourselves. >> you know what the pushback has been on this discussion. it's been -- this is politics and it's how politics is played and if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. in fact, "the washington free

beacon" says eric holder is playing the race card. what would you say to those pushing back? >> i would say if there's anyone that believes that the color of the president is not an issue with those people who adamantly oppose them they're not realistic. it is unfrn. aft unfortunate. a group that calls themselves the tea party to be able to impede the good republicans from cooperating the way they should with democrats so that at the end of the day the country succeeds, but if you notice whenever this group gets together against obama the confederate flag is there with them. when i was involved in civil rights struggles and the communists were trying to get in, we would tell them you get yourself another corner, this is the civil rights demonstration.

they don't do that with the confederates. >> well the me ask you, quickly, i know you just come from voting. part of the ryan budget which includes other things repealing obamacare and cutting and changing snap to food stamps, big cuts to medicaid. talk about the politics at play here. >> they're not legislating. they're not passing a budget to help work with the senate in order to get this great country moving forward. they're sending a political message. they know it's not going to pass. they know they can't get rid of obamacare and the whole concept of not closing the loopholes, but indeed furthering the incentives for the rich and making certain that the poor becomes a group that's closer to poverty than middle class, they know these things aren't going to pass and if speaker boehner was just to say to the

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no. i apologize, my lady, for laufring. >> i hope it doesn't happen again. >> it won't. >> and i also want to say something to people out there. you possibly think this is entertainment. it is not. so, please, restrain yourselves. >> let me bring in legal analyst lisa bloom. boy, lisa, we heard the prosecutor laugh after pistorius answered a question about his relationship with a gun dealer. the south african court is so different. when we talk about how tough this prosecutor has been calling pistorius a liar multiple times, what's your headline from what you saw? >> well, first of all, that the judge says to, quote, people out there. is she just talking to people in the gallery in the courtroom or the entire world that's covering this trial and she says this is not entertainment. i think that is a comment made to all of us. this prosecutor is very fierce and aggressive on

cross-examination and that's exactly how prosecutors should be on a murder case. calling someone on trial a liar is very, very common. making him look at bloody photos of the victim that oscar pistorius shot. it's appropriate. this is a murder trial and not a tea party. >> there is no jury, just a judge. we've said that multiple times. let's just go back to the prosecutor because i think it has been shocking to people who are used to u.s. judicial system. let me play a little clip. >> you killed her. you shot and killed her. will you take responsibility for that. >> i do, my lady. >> then say it, then. say yes. i shot ask killed reeva steenkamp. >> i did, my lady. >> at the very least this would be badgering the witness in the united states. in that context what does this kind of thing accomplish? we know what the prosecutor thinks. we know the prosecutor thinks that he killed her, that it was not an accident so where is he

going here? >> oscar pistorius began his direct testimony apologizing to reeva steenkamp's family. so appearing to take responsibility for the shooting, but then cross-examination he's continued to back off from that and insists that it was an accident, and some of the other gun incidents he said the gun just went off as if he didn't pull the trigger which, of course, he did. i think this is an important point because the prosecutor's trying to get him to take real responsibility for what happened, and again, this is cross-examination and even in the united states there would be broad leeway and the kinds of questions that he's allowed to ask. >> lisa bloom, thank you very much. >> thank you. here we see they're getting red for the -- so let's go straight to the press conference. >> as you know, yesterday in murrysville there were multiple victim stabbings and the

majority of the victims came here to forbes trauma center, a trauma center that's only been arc credkre accredited by the s the last six months so you might think this was meant to be as time was concerned because we were ready for the patient as they arrived yesterday. the the first patients from the scene did come here to forbes. the very first ambulance and the second ambulance came here to forbes with the most critically injured patients. we did an emergency department have on the order of 20-plus physicians, 40-plus nurses. it was an opportune time for our hospital as it was a shift change time and so we had double staff. we had three trauma surgeons here and we had anesthesiologists and all of the other specialties that were needed to provide appropriate care for these patients as they arrived. the first three patients that arrived were taken to the operating room. the first in about five minutes. the second in about ten minutes and the second and the third one

about 30 minutes later because we were making sure that we didn't have yet more critical patient showing up in the interim. these three patients are still in the icu today. two of them remain on ventilators. one of them is doing fine and converseant. no longer needing the support of a ventilator. of the additional four patients that we received from the scene, two of of those are going home today and the other two will likely go home some time over the weekend. they're all doing well. so i think with that opening statement and what's going on i'll stop at this point. >> do you have one that's also in critical condition? >> we have two of the icu patients have planned additional surgeries. so at the end of the operations yesterday they were planned to return to the operating room and

over the course of the next three days they'll both be returning to the operating room at least once. so that's the reality of trauma surgery today is that we stop the operation at a point when the patient either becomes cold, has problems with coagulation and we think it's better to stop and come back another day. the way we sometimes do it is to take a look at the injuries and make sure everything is healing as we expect. [ inaudible question ] >> there's no way to tell. in trauma surgery, we realize that we don't know the position of the ability when they were stabbed. usually somebody doesn't stand still in that type of an episode because it's not always a surprise that somebody -- that somebody has been stabbed. although i do understand that some of the victims yesterday they were unaware that this was going on and they were surprised. so, and the patients that we

received, these patients each had a stab wound that looked like it was more of a surprise than any kind of a struggle. >> what tells you that, sir? that looked like a surprise? >> usually, if it's a defensive wound people would use their arms to try to fend off someone with a knife, and our patient, the seven patients we received all had stab wounds to their trunk, their chest, their abdomen and their back. >> we'd love to hear from brett. >> i didn't really know what was going on at the time because i was walking down the hall with a friend of mine, gracie evans, and then it just all, like, hit. she was screaming and i was just standing there and just -- everything just went, like, i didn't even know what was going on. i was just so surprised.

i could barely move because i got stabbed in the back, and i had to get help getting in the next room and had pressure on my wound to make sure it didn't bleed out. >> what came to your mind? >> what was going through my mind? will i survive or will i die? >> your friends saved your life. >> gracie saved my life. [ inaudible question ] >> in pain, but i'm healing slowly, but surely. >> do you expect to go home soon? >> yeah. >> over the weekend or have the doctors told you? >> they said it depends on how i do today so i might go home today.

[ inaudible question ] >> repeat it? [ inaudible question ] >> i got a stab in the back -- stabbed in the back and a bruised lung. >> what do you remember seeing? what were your eyes telling you when this was all happening? >> it was all kind of like a blur. the the only thing i remember is messing around with gracie and bumping her out of the way because usually i just goof off in the morning and be playful and it hits me in the back and that's when everything just went -- into straight chaos. >> did you possibly seay her from being stabbed. do you remember pushing her out of the way when you saw him? >> yeah. >> can you describe that? >> it happened so fast it's kind of hard to describe. >> did you know the assailant at all before this? >> i had met him a couple of times, but never really talked to him.

>> what kind of reputation did he have at school? >> i don't know his reputation, but after today he's going to have a bad one. >>. [ inaudible question ] >> can can you repeat that? >> do you play sports? >> i used to, and with me working i just hit the weight room then and again. >> he does things outside of the school. youth group with some friends. he gets into p.t. training which is part of a friend's military kind of weightlifting and physical training stuff that he does outside of the school, but nothing in the school. >> how many students were in the hallway? were there scores of people? >> there were so many people in the hallways and then someone said they saw blood or something, everyone started scream, but when i got hit everyone noticed and started running in different directions.

gracie was screaming, and asking me if i was all right and trying to keep pressure on my back and took me into a safer room. >> he was running down the hallway just hitting everyone at random? >> yeah. at random. >> do you think you were one of the first persons -- were you in the hallway? >> i was hit -- i was either the third person or fourth person to get hit. >> tell me what it means to have your son safe and sound. >> to know that my son made it and to know that so far every parent can be blessed to know that their child is still here, to me, that's a god send. it really is. when my daughter called me at work yesterday freaking out and told me that my son was on a list of victims i dropped. i don't think any parent in the world would ever want to go through that kind of agony and for all the students who are in

the hospital with their children right now i send my condolences and i understand your pain. [ inaudible question ] >> i've alreadiy hugged her and kissed her. i have told her thank you, and there is nothing in the world that i can do for that girl to make up for what she's done. >> you owe her a lot, mom. you owe her a lot. >> you saved her life. what do you say to that. >> if it weren't for their playful moment in the hallway i think both of them would have been hurt. >> so when you were playing with her, and pushed her out of the way in a playful way that saved her? >> yeah. >> i think the way she tells it is that you threw your body in front of her and that you saved her life. that's what she told us this morning on the "today" show. >> how do you handle that

knowing what he did to save her life. >> i think for any mother i am proud of her as much as i am proud of my own son for what achievements he wants to make and for every hardship we have gone through in our lives, i'm proud of him. >> what were your thoughts about alex hribal? >> any child that is able to do something like that i feel that it is not only his peers, his family, but it is the school who needs to look and say what have we done to alienate this child for him to do such a gruesome thing? and i hope that his family can find peace, and i hope this child can find peace in some way and come out and show his true feelings on why he did what he did. >> do you have any reason to think that he was alienated or

bullied? >> i think in this time, in this age that we live in in all honesty i think there is more bullying than what anybody wants to say, and i honestly feel that some students, they have a tendency of some shyness more than other students do. you have a group of children in the world that are fun, outgoing, loving, charming. you have other kids that are just solid individuals and some that are just shy and don't know how to handle society, and it's -- and that way that we need to look and say how are our children coping with social skills these days? how are they with other children? how are they being tested in the world for negative or positive ways and we need to start testing that now before it goes

any further than what it has. >> are you anxious to get back to school to be with your friends? >> i'm not sure if -- i'm not sure i can go to school at this point in time. i think if i walked in there i might just freeze and won't be able to move. i mean, i just need time to just cope. i think all of us who got injured in the accident need time to cope. we're all lucky to still be alive, even the people that are in critical right now. right now, they're lucky. we're pretty much blessed. >> did the doctors tell you that you'll have limitations since you're an athlete and weight lifter and all of that, are you hopeful that you'll be able to get back to where you were? >> sooner or later i wish i can, but that all comes with time and how long it will take for me to heal.

>> were you able to defend yourself at all? >> no. it -- it happened from behind. he was running up the hallway and hit me on the way and i didn't know what happened. it froze me on the spot. >> did it sound like a firearm going off? >> i think -- i'm not totally sure. >> in some case, was there a threatening phone call the night before the the incident. >> no, i had not. >> do you know it if the first stabbing was in as classroom or in the hallway. you were in the hallway, right? >> i was in the hallway. >> did you know he went in the classroom. there were some reports that he went in the classroom. >> i was told that he started from the end of the hallway when we were at and walked his way up and went into a couple of classrooms or something and that's what i was told so i'm

not totally sure. >> how do you feel about alex? >> i feel that he has some issues he needs to work out. he made a really bad decision that took him down a path that i don't think he should have took -- went down. i think he could have chosen a different path to take because everyone has more than one road to take in life. you choose which path you will take and that path will lead you to your consequences later in the future. everyone has those roads. everyone has a choice. everybody can make the right or wrong decision. >> brett -- do you think he was alienated or bullied in the school. >> i only met him a couple of times so i don't know. >> prom season is coming out. >> oh, yeah. we found out before the incident his girlfriend beth, she goes to a different school.

she -- she still hopes that he's going to be healed up enough and so is he. he plans on dancing. >> i plan on it. >> you mentioned your daughter. is she in the same school? >> my daughter is in the high school as well. she's a freshman. she was down the hallway coming out. she was in the library apparently whenever she came out is after the fire alarm went off. >> did she tell you what she experienced? >> she said she saw blood. she said she saw a student with the stab wound in the stomach and she basically went into shock after that. >> how is she doing now? >> she's with a friend. i'm very grateful for her friend nolan who has been with her and who stayed with her the whole time at this point. >> so i would imagine you'll keep your kids out of school for a while? >> for a little bit, and i plan on getting brett back into some

therapy. chelsea, she's in therapy right now to help her out. so -- >> out of respect, one second. brett, we appreciate your courage. he's displayed maturity beyond his years and i think that what we need to do for brett as his physicians is limit it to two more questions and really be respectful of brett and his time and what he's gone through. >> do you have anything to say to alex? >> i honestly feel that once he gets help maybe he can forgive himself. >> see, he -- maybe, i've been thinking, maybe if he had more friends or somebody to help him out or to, like, show him a different path, maybe will it would have been different. >> apparently, he didn't have enough support that some of the other students in the school have, and we hope that he could make amends on what he's done

and hopefully he will come out with the truth on what his display of action, what caused it. >> and i just hope that one day he can -- everyone -- he can -- i can forgive him and everyone else who got hurt can forgive him. most of all, he needs to forgive himself. >> thank you very much, brett, and thank you, amanda. one comment. i have been in touch with the superintendent of schools for franklin regional peraino, and we know they'll need resources to reach out to. so whenever anything bad happens there's so much good that comes out of our community and we have numerous counselors and crisis program, a lot of people are reaching out to us and what we do need to do is manage that and in working with the superintendent in schools we

need to put together through the allegheny health network and we have an adolescent trauma and post traumatic program, and we'll have to get that in the resources in our schools. >> doctor, i know that the k through 8 students are in class today. do you have people out of schools or are you available to them now. >> that was with the phone call kr conversation was. franklin regional does have access to their counselor, but we also think this is on a different level. i mean, i think that few have experienced this type of mass assault. so we need to bring the resources in and match those together and that's what we're going to work to do so. >> is there anything further you guys can say -- >> what an extraordinary news conference. this family, brett hurt who was stabbed in the back protecting

his best friend and his mother, amanda leonard, both were incredibly gracious and extraordinarily understanding words for alex hribal who is charged with stabbing 20 students and a security guard as well, and talking about forgiveness, talking about looking at themselves, looking at themselves as a school and the community. what might have prompted this to happen. the good news is that he may be going home today, if not, certainly over the weekend at forbes hospital which you just saw. just to remind you, three patients still in intensive care. two on ventilators and two will require more surgery perhaps the next two or three days and there were four other patients brought to that hospital, too, expected to go home today. two others over the weekend. we'll take a break and we'll be back with "jansing & company" after this. salesperson #1: point is there's never been a better time

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force one to head to austin, texas, where president obama will address the civil rights summit. for the last two days former presidents and civil rights leaders have celebrated president lyndon johnson signing the civil rights act while pushing ahead with the work that's still left to be done. >> i am concerned that on this 50th anniversary these divisions and the lack of a spirit of coming together put us back in the dust bend of old history. >> nbc special correspondent maria shriver joins me now from the summit. good morning, maria. >> good morning. >> we didn't just hear president clinton, but we also heard president carter. your father was central to this fight and i wonder what you think about where we are and what you're hearing about where the focus is for where we're

going. >> i think as you pointed out, really adequately and there that people are saying we haven't come far enough. they also are saying that in 1964 when we talked about civil rights it was black versus right. what you are hearing here all these different presidents are talking about civil rights in terms of education, women's right, marriage equality, immigration. it's much more nuanced, as i said. it's not black and white, anymore, it's 50 shades of grey. it's important to note that president carter, president clinton, president bush, these were all former southern governors who went on to become president and 50 years ago you would never think that they would be former presidents of the united states, and i think certainly president obama is going to come here today and i think he'll talk about lyndon johnson being an inspiration to him and he's certainly a beneficiary of the legislation that johnson signed back in 1964, but i think this summit is

also an opportunity for a lot of people to look at president johnson anew. what did he do? how did he accomplish when he accomplished? how did he bring two parties together? president johnson was a master at the political process and he was a master at bringing people together and knowing what their strengths and weaknesses were and that's old-time politics. >> you, maria, have a long history of helping those in need. i was reminded reading about the summit that when your dad, sergeant shriver, when he was appointed by lbj to head the war on poverty 50 years ago, he was given 60 days, lay out a plan, get it implemented and start moving forward. now where do you think, again, the focus is. i know, for example, you will be on a panel today about social justice. >> that's right. we'll have a panel about social justice today. how do you get the message through to bring about change today, and i think it's a much

more complicated environment that we're working in. you have to be politically savvy, culturally savvy and media savvy and there's so much information coming at people. once again, as i said, people are divided. some people only want to focus as a civil rights issue on marriage equality and some people think this is a women's issue and some people think it's income disparity and some people think it's still a race issue. it's a much more fragmented issue to talk about and to try to break through on. and in the shriver report you and i talked about this on the program, you address how poverty specifically affects women in staggering numbers and the lines have kind of blurred, separating the middle class from the working poor from the poor from those in absolute poverty. where do we go from here on that, maria? because this is something that you have focussed a lot of your time and attention on and are they talking a lot about that on this sumity? >> president carter spoke about

that. i am certainly going to be speaking about that. that is for women, i think, a civil rights issue and 70% of minimum-wage jobs are are held by women, one in three women end up on the brink of poverty, what can the government do? women find themselves not only being brd breadwinners and parents and care taking of elderly people and people with alzheimer's and what's good for women in the workplace and i think that's going to be an issue for the summit and i think president carter also spoke about that, but there are so many issues, as i said when we talk about civil rights education and we talked a lot about emphasizing to women to stay in school as long as they possibly can before they have children because they'll be able to have a higher salary if they have a better education and those are a lot of issues that will be talked about here today

and will be talked about yesterday, as well. >> thanks so much for taking the time. >> thank you. >> special coverage starts at noon today on msnbc with andrea mitchell covering the president's address and we just saw him and the first lady getting on air force one and making their way to austin. to the lighter side and check out the congressman caught kissing one of his staffers on surveillance video. it's duck dynasty's willie robertson who told congressman vance mccallister to focus on his family and work things out privately. hillary clinton left speechless at an event in portland, oregon. the first lady was asked a question submitted by a 6-year-old girl. >> in 2016, would you prefer to be called madam president or mrs. president?

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i'm tamron hall and this is "news nation." developing now in the last hour we heard from one of the victims in the mass stabbing in pennsylvania yesterday speaking from a hospital where he's being treated for stab wounds, high school student brett hurt described walking with a friend down a hallway when the attack started. >> she was screaming, and i was just standing there and everything just went -- like, i didn't even know what was going on. i was just so surprised. i could barely moved. i was stabbed in the back. what was going through my mind? will i survive or will i die? >> that young man's mom was emotional at the thought of nearly losing her son yesterday while at school. >> when my daughter called me at work yesterday freaking out and told me that my son w