and hillary clinton ducks a shoe. >> kathleen sebelius is stepping down. >> after five years of extraordinary service to our country. >> she's able to leave on a high note at least, i can check this box off and run out the side door and get out of this building as quickly as possible. >> pope francis made the strongest statement to date on sexual abuse in the catholic church and asked for forgiveness for damage caused by priests who abuse children. >> a big rig tractor-trailer had a tour bus packed with students from southern california. ten are dead and many more still hospitalized. >> day three of the prosecution's cross-examination of oscar pistorius. >> crying so much on the stand today -- >> why would this make you emotion. >> because this is a person i cared about. >> somebody throwing somebody at me. a woman threw a shoe at her. >> i didn't know solid waste management was so controversial.

thank goodness she didn't play softball like i did. >> this man influenced every host who came after him and even a few before him, he's that good. i've got to tell you, i do not envy whoever they try to put in that chair. >> first up today, a major chapter is closing in the fraugt rollout of obamacare with the resignation of kathleen sebelius. sylvia burwell, currently leading the office of management and budget will replace her. >> kathleen has been here through the long fight to pass the affordable care and helped guide its implementation even when it got rough. she's got bumps, i've got bumps, bruises. her team at hhs turned the

corner, got it fixed, got the job done and the final score speaks for itself. >> the reaction to see beal yus' resignation, she had an impossible task, no one could make obamacare work. this from marsha black burn. are you going to be drinking out of a red solo step or crystal stemware tonight? i want to know when marshacsha blackburn last drunk out of a solo cup. 7.5 million is the number of signups for obamacare for the end of the last month. kristen welker, thank you for joining us. administration officials said sebelius made this decision on her own. do you think the timing was hers

or was this coming from president? >> we think the president and secretary sebelius thought it was the right time. it was after the first enrollment period where they get the 7.1 million enroll ees as you noted and the white house trying to make it very clear this was secretary sebelius's idea to resign, she was not prodded about the president. one senior official tells me there was broad agreement it was time to move on with a new head of hhs, who wasn't battered and bruised. you heard president obama make a subtle reference to that idea. this administration in addition to the fact that feeling frustrated that the rollout of the health care website was bungled. didn't exactly feel comfortable with the way she handled some of her public appearances afterward, particularly her appearance on daily show. you'll recall that was quite rocky and we didn't hear a whole lot after that. you heard president obama sort

of question her handling of the rollout of the health care law. so this seemed to be in the writing over the past several months, so they move on now to sylvia burwell, who we should say was confirmed unanimously just last year for omb director. i anticipate there will be a somewhat contentious confirmation process e. ronan, but the expectation is that she will ultimately get confirmed. >> we do already see bipartisan support with john mccain coming out and saying she would be an excellent choice. thank you, kristen welker. is this another blow to the president or is it a chance for this administration with a historic victory that is improving lives at their back to look forward to a new chapter? i'm going to turn to two reporters john harwood for cnbc and political writer for "the new york times" and sara cliff,

the health care guru at vox.com. i'm a fan of both of your work. what legacy does sebelius leave behind? >> you know, i think there's two things that stand out. one is the botched rollout of healthcare.gov. no matter how you look at it, it did not go well and how the obama administration wanted it to. that will be a mark on her tenure, but i think she at the end of the day, the final score was at least 7.5 million people signed up on the exchanges, that's more than cbo folks had forecasted. so she did deliver on one of the big promises of the affordable care act of getting more people covered. >> more people covered than ever. john, what do you think is behind this choice of burwell specifically? >> sylvia burwell i think as bullet proof a democratic hhs nominee as it's possible to find. first of all, remember, this is a midterm election year where democrats are running their -- they want the votes of women and trying to motivate women so when

they replace kathleen sebelius it's another woman. one who came from both the clinton administration and the private sector, walmart, which is a very well respected company by and large, some liberal democrats don't like it too much. but this is somebody who's known for her management ability and rap on sebelius, was that she was the responsible officer of the government when the problems with the rollout occurred and somebody had to be held accountable. she was held accountable. that's why she's leaving now and sylvia burwell is replacing her. the administration sees this as the best possible way to move on and try to turn the corners. >> regardless of what you think of walmart, it is a company with a reputation for efficient management, hopefully she'll bring that to the table. obamacare has a big victory with the latest signup numbers. what do you think the next hurdle is? >> it's going to be premiums in

2015, how much insurance increases, whether we see big spikes and those might be due to obamacare or just the fact that health care spending seems to be rebounding a little bit. but i think the combination of that with midterm elections, that's going to be a very closely watched moment. >> and of course penalties for the uninsured, how do you think that will go over? >> you'll start seeing some people who see part of their tax refund taken away because they don't have health insurance. that is obviously not very popular. we don't expect a lot of people to pay the penalty. it will be in massachusetts and little less than 1% to the entire population, if you think of that in gross numbers, that's about 30 million americans if that holds true, that's -- some people will be upset they are losing their tax penalty and that probably the individual mandate has been the least popular part of obama care when people start paying the penalties, i'm sure it will only become less popular. >> it's tough to navigate but it is something worth pointing out it is helping and saving lives

as more and more people are insured. john, the fight on this issue goes back generations and actually the president talked about it just yesterday in the context. lbj's legacy. we're finally seeing success in that fight. lowest rate of uninsured americans since 2008, something as i said having a positive impact, we're hearing it from our viewers, do you think president obama finally succeeding where others have failed before him? >> there's no question he succeeded in getting legislation passed and tentative signs wez see from enrollment numbers is he's giving the exchanges a fighting chance to work. as sara indicated, the mix of who's on the exchanges, we don't know the details yet, will contribute to what happens to premiums next year. if we continue the course of unexpected -- lower than expected premiums through the competition on the marketplace and if the health care moderation of the health care

inflation continues, you've got a chance for the exchanges to get a lot bigger and get momentum going. i think the president certainly has a chance to look back and say that his legacy was a successful implementation, we've got a ways to go yet. >> there's another political story today about an icon famous for tangling with health care, tangling with something faster moving. here's hillary clinton last night in vegas. >> it's already recycling about -- what was that, a bat? was that a bat? that's somebody throwing somebody at me? is that park of cirque du soleil? my goodness, i didn't know solid waste management was so controversial. thank goodness she didn't play softball like i did. >> love that softball kred.

thumb's up or down? >> thumb's up, very authentic did. >> smooth response. >> she didn't get hit, that's the most important thing. >> she didn't get hit and she was also funny. you've got to give her a thumb's up. >> thanks for joining. >> thank you. up next on rf daily, the president is about to deliver a major speech on voting rights this afternoon. we have got everything you need to know. don't go away.

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at al sharpton's national action network in new york to decry state measures making it more difficult to vote all around the country. yesterday the president gave an empassioned speech about civil rights in texas and at the private fundraiser on wednesday, he called efforts to prevent people from voting, quote, un-american. so why this push and why right now? to look ahead to the president's speech and wrap up our weeklong call to action on the very subject of civil rights, i go to mark mur yelle. >> when you see the suppressive voting policies, where do you think this comes from, a genuine fear about fraud or strategic? >> i think it's being cooked up and an effort to responds to the historic turnout of 2008 and 2012.

and not a single person who supports these measures can point to, quote, the massive fraud or the quote, persistent problems that these pieces of suppressive legislation seek to address. i think it's absolutely strategic. i think that's why people need to say no, no, no and say yes, yes, yes to voting. >> and is there a political strategic element to president obama raising this issue over and over, trying to rally minority voters to the polls who do vote democratic? >> i think it's bigger than simply rallying people of color to the polls. i think it's the president standing up to defend the essence of the constitution. i think it's the president standing up saying that a nation, that fights wars in afghanistan and iraq to quote promote democracy, can't retrench a democracy here at home. i think that's what it is. >> we have been hearing all week from our viewers around the country talking about their struggles getting to the polls.

this is a real issue and people are being denied a basic democratic right. this comes from a real place of struggle and people are encouraged by him highlighting this. >> i think if we look at it, we're now a nation of over 300 million people. and early voting is a great way to encourage more people to vote, but to recognize the fact that we put long lines at polling places in many cities but to give people, senior citizens and work on election day an opportunity to vote, the cut back on early voting, i see it nothing other than a suppression effort. >> and what do you think president obama will address in this speech specifically coming up in a few hours? do you think he'll talk about early voting? >> i think the president will talk more broadly. yesterday was a day for the president to reflect back to lbj and sort of the forces that helped to transform america in the second half of the 20th century. i think today will perhaps be an effort to deal with today's contemporary problems regarding

voting, but also to place his presidency and certainly his justice department squarely in the corner of protecting and defending voting and really the expansion of democracy in america. >> they've certainly done that rhetorically, do you think they'll back that up? >> i think the attorney general taking action against texas and south carolina, i think working diligently on a new, if you will, voting rights act modernization bill, to try to correct the damage to the voting rights act the supreme court did last summer is certainly indicative of the president. i think the attorney general's strong commitment with a bipartisan team of members of congress and the united states senate. >> that is certainly more than just talk what you're referring to as the department of justice's suing several states for voter i.d. laws. >> i think people say -- i would look at it, not quote/unquote just suing, they are enforcing the law, the voting rights act

and constitutional prerogatives. in the 20th century, we expanded the right to vote and gave women the right to vote and 18-year-olders a right to vote through constitutional provisions and secured the vote for people of color with the voting rights act. it was a century of expansion. this century unfortunately is being marked by efforts by some to turn back the hands of time. and people out there listen, we've got to resist it, call your secretary of state and members of your legislature and say you do not support it, you want them to protect the vote. >> thank you so much, marc morial, this is something so important to our country. >> thank you. >> it's apt that he made that call. that has been exactly our call to action this week. we have focused on limits to early voting, that disproportionately affect people of color. we asked you to call your secretary of state or governor about early voting.

one response came from wisconsin, pat said, send my secretary a state of plea to keep voting hours available to the public. i live in wisconsin where the republicans are trying to tighten the reigns on democracy. the republican governor of wisconsin, scott walker recently signed a law that eliminated early voting on weekends, that's the dynamic so many reported from south carolina and texas where the justice department is suing state officials over restrictive voting i.d. laws. the rest of the 15 states where the aclu says laws have been passed that are suppressing voter measures since 2003 -- 2013. thank you for weighing in. we'll stay with this story which so profoundly affects all of us as we head to the polls. just ahead, we bring you the very latest on this devastating bus collision involving high school students in california. don't go away. salesperson #1: the real deal is the passat tdi clean diesel

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we have tragic news from northern california as the death toll rose to ten following the fiery collision involving a bus load of high cool students on a college tour. the driver of a fedex truck lost control and crashed head on into the bus. five young students died and both drivers were killed and dozens injured. one of the survivors described his harrowing escape. >> there was an emergency exit but there was too many people in the bus trying to get out. students broke the windows and that helped a lot of us get out safely. >> the national transportation safety board is investigating the crash site and determining the cause of the accident. so that's a story that is making headlines and all week we've been asking you to vote on the

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it is a scandal that has gone on for decade implicating thousands of priests. the pontiff said, i feel personally compelled to take on all of the evil which some priests, quite a few in number, not compared to all of the priests, to personally ask for forgiveness and added the church is aware of the moral damage carried out by men of the church. joining us from washington, d.c., thomas reese of the national catholic reporter. father reese, thank you for coming back on the program. the pope said sanctions need to be imposed. what do you expect those to be? more than just talk? >> i think the pope clearly already supports zero tolerance for any priest involved in sexual abuse. that means that they are never going to be able to act as a priest again. he supported that position when he was the arch bishop of buenos a aires, we have to have november

to make sure the priests never get abuse another child. >> the pope defended the church's response to abusers and said, quote, no one else has done more than the church to root out pedophile. why the about face in tone, do you think? >> i think the pope is still learning how to talk about sexual abuse. he didn't have any experience of it in buenos aires and he needs coaching how to deal with it. it's true the church has made great progress and the church is doing a lot to protect children. for someone in a roman collar or for the pope to say that it sounds so defensive. the only proper defense is to say i'm sorry, i'm sorry, i'm sorry and to apologize, apologize, apologize. and then to sit and listen to the victims, hear their stories,

cry with them. i mean, you know, this is what the pope needs to do. >> he seems to have come around to a pitch perfect rep indication. do you personally think the church has done enough? >> well, the church was terrible in handling the cases of sex abuse in the past. it's doing much better now, but it can always do better. we have to be constantly vigilant. we can't let our guard down. we have to make sure the children are safe. some countries have made great progress and others, i think there are other countries with bishops that don't think they have a problem. well, they got to get with the program. they've got to be pro active and making sure that children are safe. >> it does seem like the pope has gotten his messaging with the program as you say. but the question remains whether the messaging will actually have

follow-on actions. one thing that seems to suggest real action, he made first appointments to a special commission dedicated to sexual abuse, including an outspoken activist abused by a priest. what can we expect to see from that commission? do you think they'll take any action? >> i think the commission is very important. they are going to be part of the process of educating the pope on this. it's so important that there is a survivor of sexual abuse on that commission to talk to the pope directly about this problem. and that there are other people on it who are experts who have treated victims of abuse, and others. so this is very important. i think they've -- they are going to tell the pope he needs to meet, sit down and listen to victims of sexual abuse. they are also going to tell him he has to deal with the bishops who aren't with the program. to make sure that they know he's very displeased and if they don't get with the program, they've got to get out of the

way. we need to get rid of them. >> an issue that the church is evolving fast on. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> you're welcome. >> we're going to turn back now to the trial that continues to captivate the world. the prosecutor challenged pistorius on detail after detail about the night he killed reeva steenkamp. >> i wish she let me know she was there. she did not do that. >> is it -- just listen to my question. after you fired the first shot, did she scream? >> no, my lady. >> are you sure? >> yes, my lady. >> would you have heard her? >> i don't think i would have heard her there was a gunshot that went off my ears were ringing. >> that's why i'm asking the question. how can you exclude the fact she was screaming if you couldn't hear? >> the prosecutor forced pistorius to admit to inconsistency not only once but

repeatedly which prompted a warning from the judge. >> mr. pistorius, it's important that you should be all here when you are in the witness box. you understand that? >> i do, my lady. >> if you are tired, and the reason you're making mistakes is because you're tired, you must say so. >> joining me now is tom mesereau. thank you for coming back on the show. >> thank you, ronan. >> let's talk about the prosecutor, he's known by the nickname the pit bull. do you think he's living up to the reputation? >> very much so. you have to remember there are a lot of purposes he has in mind with the kind of cross-examination he's doing. first of all, some of his questions aren't even questions, making statements to the judge repeatedly. he wants to drive home with repetition and force his belief that this defendant is not telling the truth.

and has concocted a story to protect himself and try to get out of this. he's asking detailed questions after exhausting hour following exhausting hour and he's hoping that pistorius will slip up. he thinks pistorius has rehearsed a scenario to defend himself and driving holes in that. when it comes to pistorius' demean, you can't cry and sob for days straight. eventually if you cry and sob too long it looks inauthentic and the prosecutor is trying to demonstrate that, not just to the judge but viewing public. he's a very effective prosecutor. he can irritate you at times but in the long run doing a very good job. >> in line with your comment about he's not being just factual questions, we saw that prosecutor again and again asking to admit to killing reeva steenkamp during this cross-examination which is something already established in fact. it is about driving home points we already know to the judge and

let's talk about the role this judge is playing. she issued that warning today. how does that bode for the outcome in this case? >> well, it's not something that's going to be absolutely dispositive but it does suggest that this prosecutor is wearing pistorius down and pistorius is getting confused and making statements that under cut his very firm claim that he made a mistake and thought an intruder was in the bathroom. there's some common sense problems with pistorius's story. one of them is the gun was near where reeva steenkamp was supposed to be in the bed. the area involved is not that large. a lot of people are listening to him and saying how could he reach for the gun and not know where reeva was. plus, we've learned he didn't put the alarm system on, apparently a window was open. the prosecutor is showing a lot of problems with pistorius' story about what happened. >> not a good day for the team defending oscar pistorius.

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accords because they would be sent base on quote, absolutely groundless fears and phobias. satellites seem to conflict with that. here to make sense of it all, ayman, thanks for being here. how significant are these satellite images? >> reporter: that really depends on who you ask. clearly the russians will tell you this is not out of the ordinary for the past several weeks since the olympics they have been engaging in military exercises along the border and the presence of troops is nothing that should be alarming to the west, but nonetheless ukrainian officials and the west certainly see it as a provocative measure, certainly putting pressure on the you're crane yan government as it's dealing with a growing call by some pro-russian activists in donetsk and other parts of the country calling for more russian interference or russian military involvement to protect their involvement in the eastern part of the country. it depends on who you ask but

nonetheless the presence of troops on the border is presenting a problem for the ukrainian government. >> you're in donetsk and you mentioned these pro-russian protesters who have been demanding a referendum similar to what happened in crimea. the crimean government gave them until today to get out of the government compounds they've overtaken. do you think the ukrainian authorities will use force to remove the protesters? >> reporter: if you take the ukrainian prime minister's word at its value, he does not want to use force to evacuate those protesters and wants to resolve this peacefully. today he also came to donetsk and met with several officials from the region and he tried to aswaj their concerns by telling them he would call for ukrainian parliament to have a law that allows for more autonomy to try to perhaps get the separatists to leave. if they leave the building, the

ukrainian government will not arrest them or prosecute them. so the prime minister is very clear he does not want to use force. there are others within the ukrainian government who believe you have to use force to try to restore assem ambulance of law and order. they did not continue to grow or inflame the sentiments in the eastern part of the country which would then be used as a pretext by russia to get involved politically and perhaps even with some kind of presence on the ground. nonetheless, the prime minister said he would support calls in parliament for a referendum to allow for more autonomy including the right to use russian as an official language and have more economic autonomy for these regions. >> it does seem the country is being torn apart. stay safe, it's always a pleasure to have you on the program. with more on the significance of these developments in ukraine i'm joined by nina krush chef

and the great granddaughter of krus chef. >> do you think we'll see troops on the ground throughout ukraine? >> i continue to say no and could be very wrong. i continue to think it is really an attempt to destabilize the situation which i think putin has successfully done because we see all of this cause to maybe forgive those acceseparatists a make sure russia is present in ukrainian politics but not necessarily militarily. there was a nato presence that being threatened all the time. putin's point is that if you're going to bring troops, i'll have my troops ready. it's not so many against ukraine but it is to confront the west. >> nor pleximore flexing muscle

>> exactly. >> the other is economic, he's been threatening to curtail oil sales through ukraine into europe and issued that threat to ukraine desperately in need of oil and having trouble paying for it and to europe, if ukraine starts needing oil and siphoning it off, you may lose out as well. how much economic shock does europe face? >> that is a much more serious threat and counter balance to the sanctions. yes, military invasion is a risky proposition russia can suffer. it has its oil and does use the pipes and gas pipes and putin can say it's our oil and gas, if you want to do -- be such great friends with ukraine, fine, but you're going to be without our energy resources. i think that is a much more threatening proposition to europe. that's why i think europe is so careful it's pushing more more

sanctions and more threatening actions against vladimir putin. >> it seems it's almost a diplomatic mission impossible, the kind of mission your great grandfather confronted with some regularity. what do you think he would do in response to the current circumstances? >> this is a great question that has no answer because krushchev has been dead over 40 years. i think he would be flexing muscle as putin does because he's a very soviet type leader. he would be flexing muscle but as we've seen during the cuban missile crisis, flexing muscle is fine but when there's a real crisis afoot, there's diplomacy comes in and he and john kennedy were able to negotiate a rather reasonable solution to the crisis. >> your great grandfather was actually from part of russia near the border with ukraine, do you still have relatives in ukraine or near the ukrainian

border and are you in touch with any of them. >> >> not really. i'm sure there are villages because there are small villages and all are related to each other in one way or another. i was in touch with them about ten years ago actually, maybe more when there was a centennial and celebration in that part, which was really quite remarkable. i saw a plot of land where his house was at one time standing and even there was a relatives of a teacher who was krushchev's teacher. everybody who lives there, many of them are russian but they are very attuned to ukrainian culture. >> he meant so much to russians and ukrainians. we'll touch on that in a moment. she'll stay with us as we take inside a front over the battle over ukraine that is much, much closer to home than you might

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welcome back to the program, everybody. with russian troops amassing on the ukrainian border, we continue our conversation with nini, the great granddaughter of nikita kruschev. i went to church in little auto crane to see how that community is dealing with eths tearing apart their homeland. times are tense. that's for certain. ♪ >> a lot of people are scared right now, but what's going on in ukraine right now is giving them a fear that the russian soldiers would be moving into the eastern parts of the country

and maybe even western. they feel like that's the grand plan of it all, that it's going to be to take over ukraine all over again. >> the crisis in ukraine escalates, and ukrainian-americans in communities like this one are praying for help. ♪ >> there's a growing shrine front and center at the church where people bring clipping from hometown newspapers of those that have died for their country in recent weeks. many are moved to tears. hannah told me that "if putin had any conscience, he would let her people be." she's grateful just to have the freedom to say that here in the united states. >> god bless ukraine. >> father peter's family left ukraine in 1941 when they were chased out by nazis. he explained to me why the shrine is such an emotional symbol. >> i think we have to look at them as ow new martyrs because

these were young individuals who see ukraine has to go on a different direction. >> he thinks america needs to do more to help. >> sanctions aren't helping. it becomes a joke. putin laughing it off and taking it as a joke. that's what it is. i think we have to keep our commitments. i think the u.s. really should be giving some military aid, you know, with regards to arma meants so the ukrainians can stand on their own two feet. >> one thing they can agree on, who is behind the crisis. >> what do you have to say to vladimir putin? >> i just -- i just hate him. this kgb, they kill us in millions. leave us alone. >> just one of the many strong opinions in this community. >> we can't be distant or indifferent to what is going on over there.

>> what do you think the american government shut do? >> well, i think obama should go down as a churchill not as a chamberlain. >> a churchill, not as a chamberlain. strong opinions there. nina, you obviously mean so much to the ukrainian-american just based on your great grandfather's leg agosy. a lot of them talked about that legacy. he was on both sides of this debate because he did initially support stalin's purges, including in ukraine, but then later he denounced that and was seen as a defender of ukrainians. what would you say to that community right now? >> well, i would apologize to them. i continue to apologize for russia for years now because i do think that putin's behavior has not been acceptable and not of a civilized country. i mean, he is increasingly acting like a rogue state leashed, and i think that requires an apology, and since i do carry that name, i feel like it is my job to say that i am sorry and i hope, i hoped, that

russia would have emerged after 60 years or whatever, 25 years now post-communism, would not behave the same way, but, unfortunately it still does. >> we talked before about what your great grandfather might do diplomatical diplomatically. what do you think he would say to ukrainians and ukrainian-americans? >> it's hard to say. once again, rail don't know. he has been dead. i do know there is a story i was told at home that when soviet tanks went into chekoslovakia -- he himself crushed the similar disent in hungary in 1956, and when he learned -- he was already in retirement, and he learned of the prague's bringing in tanks, and he said i can't believe it's been 12 years since my time and we haven't learned a better way. it has been 60 years since that time, and russia wra still hasn't learned a better way. >> 60 years and still a lot of questions about what to do. it seems like the answer that's forming in this ukrainian-american community is

quite hawkish. i heard again and again a lot of support for senator john mccain who has been in a hawkish position on this. a lot of skepticism about barack obama. do you think that this crisis is pushing ukrainian-americans more to the right? >> probably. >> he doesn't claim out of knowledge, but of habit so to speak. he is hawkish. i think that barack obama should try to do more diplomacy, but absolutely back it up with sanctions and back it up with some military muscle. it doesn't have to invade, but it really has to be prepared to confront putin. >> to you think it's possible to bridge the divides between russians and ukrainians right now? >> i didn't even know that there was a divide.

i mean, until -- >> even do you think in the american community there is? >> i have ukrainian friends. i go to ukrainian church once in a while. i live in east village. there was never any problems, so i actually find it very insulting that putin suddenly created a problem for me and my friendship with ukrainians who i consider brothers lost. >> i know they'll all appreciate that message. thank you very much, nina. that wraps things up for today's edition. thank you for joining me. catch my shows daily at 1:00 p.m. eastern time on msnbc. up next "the reid report" with my excellent colleague joy reid. stay tuned for that. that's why i got a new windows 2 in 1. it has exactly what i need for half of what i thought i'd pay. and i don't need to be online for it to work. it runs office, so i can do schedules and budgets and even menu changes. but it's fun, too -- with touch, and tons of great apps for stuff like music, 'cause a good playlist is good for business. i need the boss's signature for this. i'm the boss. ♪ honestly

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