agreed. >> after five years of extraordinary service to our country and 7.5 million americans who have signed up for health coverage through the exchanges she's earned that right. we will discuss the departure of the health and human services secretary, the public reaction and replacing her whether it will affect the midterms and further diffuse gop attacks on the health care law. later, as students at a pennsylvania high school remember the victim of a knife attack by one of their classmates on wednesday, investors probe what motivated the otherwise quiet teenager to go on a violent rampage. also, detroit's bankruptcy and t strange bet that may have been behind it. we stop with the resignation of cathleen sebiliys. prompting the rather obvious question, is she leaving of her own val igs or was she forced

out? i myself have been burning up the blackberry, and, yes, i still have one. don't judge me. digging into that very question. also, how do we judge the legacy both of her and the law that she stewarded to more than 7.5 million enrolled and counting? hours ago president obama praised the outgoing secretary at an event in the rose garden. while he thanked her for a number of initiatives, it was health care that commanded the most attention. >> of course, what cathleen will go down in history for is searching as the health and human services where united states of america finally declared the quality affordable health care is not a privilege, but it is a right for every single citizen of these united states of america. >> the news that she would resign came thursday night, hours after congressional testimony the number of americans --

that's announced on april -- as people have already begun to assess cathleen's legacy, there are two ways to judge her exit. >> from her work on head start to expanding mental health coverage to expanding cutting edge health care research and her unwafering leadership in the affordable care act, secretary sebelius often calls her work the most meaningful of her life. she is extremely thankful to president obama and very proud of the historic accomplishments of this administration. that sentiment is echoed by analysts like ezra cline who writes on vox.com that sebelius is resigning because obama care has won. the other way to look at sebelius's exit is she was forced out because of the embarrassing trouble-filled nature of the roll-out and her exit is kind of a delayed action de facto firing.

in fact, as if to underscore that it seems sebelius couldn't even leave even on a high note without just one last glitch. >> they are stories are so heartening about knowing they can take care of themselves and their families. unfortunately, a page is missing. >> welcome to life under the microscope. to replace her president obama intends to nominate a veteran policy wonk and the current head of the office of budget. still, to judge the task facing miss burwell including health care's proteshl role in the november elections, we do need to evaluate the legacy of the woman who may go down in history as the most famous or infamous health and human services secretary in history. for that task we turn to karen finney, the former dnc communications director and host of msnbc's "disrupt with karen finney" antony gunn a health reform expert who worked under

kathleen sebelius and igor who is managing editor at think progress. i'm going reverse. rather than ladies first, i want to start with you igor. karen sshgs like, what? i'm going to start with igor. tell me your opinion on whether kathleen sebelius was essentially forced out or whether she left essentially because she felt she's throwing down the microphone, she won? >> i think she announced 7.5 million people in the exchanges now enrolled. about three more million in medicaid. she's leaving on a high note. you know, in the day to day kind of news cycle we think about the website and all of the problems that that helped, but if you zoom out the narrative in ten, 20 years you ask what will her legacy be, i think the legacy will be in those numbers, so it may have been kind of a natural time to leave after open enrollment, and i think she wanted to do it earlier. i think she came to the president in march saying maybe it's time for new leadership. she had a tough five years, and i think, you know, maybe she thought it was kind of time to

give -- to pack up and give someone else a chance. >> all right. okay. anton, now i'm going to need you to keep it real. you worked with kathleen sebelius. i have been literally on my blackberry since last night. the sense that i'm getting just from people that i have talked to is that essentially it was a combination. that essentially she was -- the clock was kind of ticking from the time the health care.gov website stopped working and there were factions that really wanted her fired, essentially, or thought she should be, but that the thinking in the white house was that she shouldn't leave on a low note. she should leave on a high note. she should delay until they got to that deadline. is that what you are hearing? tell me what your friends are -- you don't have to name them by name, but we want to know what you know. >> i think you're correct. kathleen has been a tremendous leader at the department, and everybody knew that her task would not be done until we got through the first open enrollment period of this marketplace. so it was a natural time for her to make a decision to leave because her job was to get us through the first open

enrollment period. if you want to talk about secretary sebelius and what people thought of her, she might have had her detractors inside the white house, but everybody at the department, everybody in health care can tell you that she is the best secretary of health and human services that anybody has ever seen because of what she's been able to do inside the health insurance marketplace, but outside. all of the things she's done for women's health and she's done for children so, there's been so much that she's done. she's exetch fewed what leadership means. this is a natural time for her to make a decision and say i've done my part, i've gotten you five years down the road, and as a matter of fact, one of the longest serving secretaries in this cabinet, so you can look at whatever way you want to look at it. the point is she did her job. she did it well. we are at a better place in america in health because of secretary sebelius. >> okay, karen. you still have a blackberry? >> i do, and i love it, and i'm not going to apologize for that. >> don't judge us. we still have or blackberries. did kathleen sebelius, just from your sources, and i know you have excellent sources, do you

get the feeling that this was an excellent that was foretold in october, but carried out today? >> a modification of that. my sense was that, you know, i mean, look, just let's talk about what tends to happen. if are you a cabinet secretary and you stayed through the first term and you stay into the second term, generally there's some kind of milestone that you are going to use to then exit. it's very rare that you would stay for both temz terms. the timing doesn't surprise me. they weren't going to have her leave aon a low note when things were in such disarray. i think she's done an incredible job from everything i'm hearing of, you know, really managing the process. for her to step back and it will end the important timing because of something you alluded to in your opening, the midterm elections, and i hi she becomes less of a lightning rod for the republicans going into the elections, and i know with all their nasty tweets, they're saying it's not about her.

eric cantor said because nine and a half million some odd people -- anton, i do want to talk a little bit about there is a sense that there is health care critique. we do a lot of work on this. in the sense that the issue is not as potent anyway in the midterms. in a sense having kathleen sebelius walk away from it helps the health care law itself be on the stable. i'm assuming from your point of view that you think that's a pretty good place to be. >> it is a great place to be. the main point i would say to that is it is time to get past all the rhetoric about health care. secretary sebelius was a lightning rod for a lot of reasons, and she was a successful leader. the stuff she was able to get the republican governors to say yes to medicaid expansion and allow them to have health care in those states, it's something to be laweded for, but it's now time to turn the page and figure out how can we show the law for

what it is and what it's doing for the million of people that have gotten coverage and for those that will get covered during the next open enrollment period. once we get past the midterm electrics, it will be about the qualities in the law and not about the people -- >> very quickly, kathleen -- the replacement now, sylvia matthews burwell, what's her confirmation going to look like? >> i think it's going to be rough. republicans are going to use her confirmation as a proxy for the law to get all of their political sound bytes out there. i think she's going to get confirmed. she kind of has the skill set to see it through the next open enrollment period, but it's not going to be easy. you will have obama care relitigated again, i predict. >> the last word goes to karen finney. net positive, net negative today for health care, the politics of it today. >> oh, that's -- why do you always give me the hard ones. >> because you can handle it, sister. >> net positive. i'm going to say that because they can never take away the fact that this president and this secretary got it done. it has been implemented.

now the republicans are forced to deal with a message of taking something away from people, and politically that is a death nail. >> absolutely. medicaid expansion, i submit, and i think you and i both agree, is going to be a huge issue in november. another enrollment period is coming up in november. >> absolutely. >> excellent panel. thank you, guys. karen finney, anton gunn, igor, thank you. do not miss "disrupt with karen finney" which is weekends at 4:00 p.m. eastern saturday and sundays here on msnbc. karen, you're great. coming up, police are still trying to figure out a motive for that stabbing rampage in a pennsylvania high school, but one thing police do know is that the 16-year-old suspect is a quiet, reserved kid. we'll talk about why that could speak volumes about why it happened. first, let's go over to northern california where a team of federal investigators is trying to piece together the moments leading up to a fiery crash that left ten people dead. including at least five high school students. california state patrol says a fedex truck crossed the median sideswiped another car, and

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two days after what authorities call a bizarre stabbing spree is unclear when the pittsburgh suburbs of marysville will have an answer about why it happened. making the process of moving on

even more difficult. according to the franklin regional high school's website, a decision has yet to be made about when students can return to class. counseling service says are being offered at an area church until 9:00 tonight. last night students turned to friends and neighbors for comfort, lighting candles and praying for their friends. as of this afternoon, three victims are still in critical condition and two are listed as fair. today 16-year-old sophomore brett hurt is healing from his stab wounds at home. he was reunited with gracie evans yesterday. the best friend he was trying to protect when he was stabbed. >> yeah, just jumped. like, i don't know, i guess it was natural or i had a feeling or something. afterwards i heard her screaming and crying, and i didn't know what was going on. then the pain in my back, i realized something happened. >> it made me really happy to know that he was going to be discharged today.

>> as you look at him, what do you say to brett? >> i love you, bro, and you saved my life. i can never repay you. >> meanwhile, nbc news.com reports that local, state, and federal investigators are pouring over three computers taken from alex hribal's home and interviewing the victims and hundreds of potential witnesses. any evidence they uncover could be revealed on april 30th when the 16-year-old suspect is due back in court. now, as far as a motive, investigators tell nbc news that there's no evidence so far that he was the victim of bullying, and authorities say there's no current reason to believe he was targeting anyone in particular. right now pribal is being held in a juvenile detention facility without bond. he faces four felony counts of attempted homicide, 20 felony counts of aggravated assault and a misdemeanor weapons possession charge. his attorney and parents met with him behind bars on thursday. >> well, we're going have a

psychological and psychiatric examination, and then we'll determine how we're going to go forward with the case. >> we want to thank you today to help them recover as quickly as possible. >> as the shock wears off and the physical wounds heal, there are still more questions than answers. chief among them, what caused this attack to happen and how do we prevent it from happening again. here with me now evi pompora. you saw the shock on that dad. the stories that we're hearing coming out of this town was that this is just a quiet kid. he didn't seem particularly targeted by anyone. didn't seem to be targeting anyone in particular. he has an older brother, a family that, you know, cooks dinner every night and has a sort of normal family life. how in the world can we prevent things like this happening when the quiet kid who nobody is even paying attention to is the perpetrator? >> that's why. because nobody is paying attention. i always hear this when i see these cases. oh, he seemed so normal. the person was so quiet. well, what do you think is going to look like?

i've interviewed a lot of offenders over the years that have committed a lot of different crimes, and, you know what, they all look normal. most of them look unassuming. they don't come out there with the big red flags waving around, you know, with that crazy look. it just doesn't happen. the key is looking at the deep indicators, what's going on behind the scenes internally. somebody can look normal on the exterior, but what goes on inside emotionally, mentally, you don't know. that's the problem. that's what we're not looking at as a society. >> of course, you, of course, have a long law enforcement background, including in the secret service. when you are doing an investigation and going back and the pieces of someone's life who seemed like a completely surprise ofteneder, what are you looking for? what will you be looking for, say, on those computers? >> you're fwog see notes, journals entries, chatrooms, anything? what kind of dialogue is this person having? video games. again, there's a lot of controversy over these video games because they tend to desensitize the player from the act of killing somebody or executing someone. that's another issue they may look at.

essentially you're going to dissect this young man's life. mentally and emotionally, are there any issues. just because somebody has not been clinically diagnosed doesn't mean there aren't any problems. maybe there are problems and the parents, for fear of stigma, didn't want to take their child to see any type of therapist or clinician. that does happen. so usually when we have some type of emotional, personal, mental disorder, the on set for that type of disorder would happen around this time. it's usually in the teen years where we see these disorders take place and manifest themselves over the years. >> is there something more personal? it does seem more personal, a knife as opposed a gun, or maybe it's just a question of what weapon this perpetrator had access to. >> you're right. a knife is very personal. it could be one of two things. one, he didn't have access to a weapon because research has shown in the past most often the shooters that go to school, they either -- their family member had a weapon or they had a friend of the family who had a weapon and they had access to it. now, in this situation he probably didn't have access to one, but you have to think about how enraged he was internally to

go get kitchen knives to go commit this act to come in close proximity, look at someone, touch someone, feel someone, and then stab them. >> i mean, so many victims in such a short space of time. it does seem -- i think that's one of the questions i have heard people asking. how could he injure so many people? maybe it was the shock of it happening and people not realizing it, or is this an indication of a surprise attack on serial victims? >> it's everything. from what we understand, he came running down the halls, and he was just basically stabbing the students left and right. some of them didn't know they were stabbed until after the fact. a lot of it is shock. people don't know how to react. you're not expecting this to happen in a school, so people have a moment of pause because i think he was successful in actually stabbing one of the security guards who is there to secure. even he was caught off guard. again, there's a lot of dilemma here, and even though they're saying it doesn't look like bullying, have you to ask yourself what brought this young man to this point? it doesn't always have to be mental or emotional. it could just be things festering over the years and him being quiet, you know, well, why

was he quiet? why was he too himself? what was going on? >> it could be isolation too because i think the tendency of the other kids is to say we have no idea who was mistreating him, but maybe not doing a lot of examination of what was happening because he wasn't even being noticed. maybe it's -- isolation drives somebody to that kind of rage. >> it's also about perspective. maybe they think, well, we weren't picking on him, but if you ask him he says, oh, no, i was picked on. it has to do with what -- not what we see, not what the outsiders see, but what he perceived, how he felt he was treated, how he felt he was ignored or outcast. >> yeah. it's really terrifying to think because, you know, we are now at this point constantly sort of worrying and thinking about gun violence in schools. this is the completely different element that i think people weren't prepared for. >> you know what's interesting, though. a lot of violent acts do take place in schools. majority of violent crimes do take place on college campuses and high schools. we try to ignore it, but, unfortunately, that's where they take place. >> people forget the hyper emotional period of your life. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> i appreciate it.

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sfwlirchlt detroit entered a new stage with the announce of a major haircut to the debt it "s to banks. that's good news for the motorcity, which is home to the biggest municipal bankruptcy in u.s. history. it's potentially bad news for pensioner that is could be forced to take a major haircut of their own. this morning a federal judge ok'd an $85 million settlement with two major banks. bank of america and ubs. after rejecting two previous deals. the really interesting news here is that the deal comes after a disastrous bet.

what the detroit free press once called a hail mary by the former mayor kwame kilpatrick about solving the pension crisis. the bet made in late 2005 secured the city a $1.4 billion loan that it thought it could afford to repay. the only thing that could undermine the bet, well, if you know a major, you know, financial crisis were to come along. now, if any of this sounsdz familiar, that's because a similar situation occurred in jefferson county, alabama, home to the nation's second biggest municipal bankruptcy. again, banks got that city as well as places like l.a., oakland, and elsewhere to enter a dangerous deal involving these swaps. all in the run-up to the 2008 financial collapse. now, it's great that in this case, in the case of detroit, banks are taking a big haircut, receiving about 30 cents on the dollar according to the free press. that deal may increase pressure on unions to deal with the city's emergency manager kevin orr who wants some pension funds

to take up to a 34% cut. a blogger for radio station wdet in detroit and nathan, a business reporter with "the detroit free press." i'm going to start with you, nathan. can you explain these deals to us a little bit because it was you who actually called them a hail mary pass that was not only intercepted but returned for a touchdown. >> yeah. the city of detroit in 2005 and 2006 purchased these swaps to secure a steady interest rate on this $1.4 billion debt deal. it was supposed to eliminate the pension liabilitieses at the time, but it completely soured when interest rates tanked, and essentially the city pays 5% of its budget to bank of america and ubs. now, what they have done is they have reached a new deal to pay off the $288 million debt for about $85 million. that saves more than $200 million. >> so the banks essentially, sandra, that means that they are actually going to take less money, and why would the banks accept this? they pretty much have detroit over a barrel. >> well, maybe.

if you look at the disclosure statement and the plan of adjustment that our emergency management kevin ore filed last week, his current proposal is for 15 cents on the dollar. really i guess you could look at it that they're doubling on that. they also, you know, had some other terms and release from liability in it and some payment terms that are favorable to them. more so than maybe they would be under the final plan. >> so just to go back to you, nathan, talk about now what this means for actually the pension holders in detroit because i think nobody feels really terribly sorry for the banks. let's just be honest. i think that the big risk here is that the unelected manager, kevin ore, could actually negotiate a deal that could hurt pension funds. what are they facing? >> well, what happens is under bankruptcy law as soon as you get one creditor class, in this case the banks, to agree to accept cuts, then that gives you the right to try to forcibly implement a creditor, restructuring plan on everyone else. now, that doesn't mean the judge has to go along with it, but what it does mean is that

legally they may be able to force retirees to accept pension cuts. retirees are likely to accept cuts of some kind, but the question is how steep will they be? had. >> sandra, talk about what was the climate? what was the economic climate when kwame kilpatrick, mayor of detroit made this deal? why would he have made such a deal? >> well, in 2005, 2006 no one saw the crash of 2008 coming. well, maybe some people did, but not to the extent that it hit detroit. within this deal detroit really got hit twice. first we got hit with the housing crisis itself that led to so many foreclosures, so many vacancies, so many blighted properties and it's had a huge affect on the bankruptcy because of the loss of revenue from that. it also caused this pension swaps deal to happen and the refinancing in 2009. >> and nathan, so what would detroit look like? let's just say this all goes through, would this mean that detroit could, in theory, emerge from bankruptcy as early as this fall? >> yeah. the city's goal is to emerge from bankruptcy by october 15th

with dramatically less debt and less liability chshgs would allow the city to start reinvesting in serviceses such as police, fire, and start removing so much of the blight that caused property values to be so low in detroit, and also implement debt cuts that would affect retirees and banks and other investors. it's very complicated, and they're in feverish negotiations right now with the goal of having a trial this summer over whether the plan is fair. >> well, i mean, sandra, that to me seems quite ironic, right? the city is talking about wanting to reinvest, including in police and fire. at the same time that police and fire pensions are on the table to face serious cuts. can you square that for us? >> i'm not sure i can. you know, from the perspective of a bankruptcy court, it's numbers on paper. from the perspective of people in the city from employees, former employees who are within those pension funds, and the residents and people who work and live and shop and play in the city, it's a difficult situation. >> last word to you, nathan. to me it is tragic that a great

american city, such an important american city is in this state of affairs. is detroit alone, or is this unique in the state of michigan? are there other cities that are in this same position? >> well, i think there are many major cities throughout the country that have significant debt. for example, chicago has a massive pension liability. i don't think that there are any major cities that are on the brink of chapter nine bankruptcy like detroit. there are many others that are staggering under massive health care liabilities and pension debt. detroit is sort of a cautionary tale, but swaps in particular are dangerous, and that's what you have seen happen in detroit. >> yeah. good old wall street and all of these credit instruments that just seem like such a good idea before the bottom fell out of the economy. all right. sandra and nathan, thank you both. >> thank you. >> thanks. next, president obama turns his focus to the most important political issue facing democrats in 2014. voting rights. the forces that are trying to keep people from actually voting. r,

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zeefshgs in ban hour president obama will give his second speech in two days. this time at the national action network's annual convention. the white house has given us a preview of the speech saying the president will build on the themes of fairness and progress he laid out in yesterday's comments on the anniversary of the 1964 civil rights act. sfroo because of the laws president johnson signed, new doors of opportunity and education swung open for everybody. not all at once, but they swung out. not just blacks and whites, but women and latinos and gay americans and americans with a disability. >> today the president is expected to go on offense on voting rights taking aim at the new restrictions being passed by republican legislatures and signed by republican governors that are making it harder for

certain people to vote. that includes north carolina where there's a new photo id requirement. same-day voter registration is eliminated and early voting days, including the souls to the polls sunday have been cut. in ohio the story is pretty much the same. early voting has been severely cut back. voters can no longer register and vote on the same day, and the new laws make it harder to count provisional ballots. let me repeat that in case you missed it. ohio lawmakers want to make it harder to count votes after they have been cast. just think about that for a minute. meanwhile, wisconsin's republican governor just signed a law that eliminates early voting on weekends and forces polls to close at 7% on early voting week days. those are just three of more than a dozen states where restricted voting laws are on the books or under consideration. now, in 2012 democrats pushed back with some success and voters responded by sticking it out in lines that in some cases were seven hours long. in 2014 the states are even higher. particularly for the white house, which faces the

possibility of a republican-led senate to go along with the tea party controlled house. today's push is part of the democratic party to fear up the base and get voters to the polls in november despite the restrictions. i'm joined by goldie taylor, comment at the -- thank you for being here. always great to have you, especially here in person. let's talk a little bit about president obama's campaign both to push back on republicans and to get people to vote. i want to play you a little bit more of what the president said in austin, texas, yesterday and get your response. >> we are here today because we know we can not be complacent. for history travels not only forward, but history can travel backwards. history can travel sideways. securing the gains this country has made requires the vigilance of its citizens. our rights, our freedoms.

they are not given. they must be won. they must be nurtured through struggle and discipline and persistence and faith. >> now, goldie, that was the nice diplomatic version because he was there with fellow presidents. that was the big 30,000 feet version. today we're expected to get the down in the streets version from the president. >> absolutely. i think we will. the down streets verbs really has to do with the politics of fear. we somehow believe in this country that opportunity is fine it, that there isn't enough for everybody, and so i let those people have the ballot, if i let those people -- if i let those people into my neighborhoods, into those jobs, then there is less opportunity for me and mine, and so we hear terms like take our country back, and so we saw 50 years ago that people were trying to so-called protect the ballot, to keep certain people out of the ballot box, we remedied that with the voting rights act in 1964. we are relitigating that today because after the election of

barack obama, not once, but twice, that there were people in this country who decided that their ballot was at risk again. if they let this growing demographic, this growing tide of non-white hispanic, african-american, you know, women voters, if they allowed us too much access to the voting booth, then they not only could not get their country back but they would lose it for the foreseeable future. >> the conservatism is built on we don't believe in equality of outcomes, but the outcomes of opportunity. what you are really seeing in the voter id laws, but we're talking about legislators to the supreme court, well, essentially, you know what the outcome, weren't so happy with that, so let's change the process by which that outcome happened. >> that's like lebron james and, you know, maybe kobe bryant on the field playing their game, and we don't like the outcome. let's say that shot wasn't good after the buzzer, and so that's what we're dealing with here.

you know, this isn't just about what happened in 1964, but this is what will happen in 2016 and 2032 and who will have access to the ballot then. people think about, say, comprehensive immigration reform. one of the very reasons that it is stalled and there is no real push for a pathway to citizenship on behalf of republicans is because you want to keep those brand new voters out of the voting booth. it dilute that is core vote that they believe belongs to them. again, this is about keeping the country in control of a very privileged class and keeping those who will most likely to be disenfranchised. those people most likely to live on the margins. those people most likely to be fighting to survive, keeping them out of the ballot box and then hence locked out of other opportunities. >> the people who need government most. as you mentioned, it's going to get harder and harder. this is a physical court press. i want to quickly play you what eric holder said at the national action network earlier this week, because this is literally going across the obama administration. let's listen to holder.

>> protecting the right to vote. the action that truly makes our nation an exceptional one will continue to be a priority for this administration, for this department of justice, for this president, and for this attorney general. >> and i can't get away without listening to joe biden. here comes joe biden also getting in on the act. this was a democratic party released video where vice president joe biden makes his -- >> take a listen. >> if someone had said to me ten years ago that i would have to make a pitch for protecting voting rights today, i would have said you've got to be kidding. last year the supreme court cut the heart out of the voting rights act. it opened up the floodgates to voter suppression. it's time to stand up and to fight back. >> so this is the full spectrum of the administration. >> sure. well, it actually is. it means something. not only for democrats, but for republicans to keep this ballot open to all because if they can

close it off to me, can i want one day close it off to you? so you've got to be very, very careful about how you craft laws to, you know, systemically disenfranchise a group of people. that could come back to haunt you on a day when you are not necessarily, you know, the class of privilege. we have to be very careful about that. i think this president and this attorney general really do remind me of l.b.j. days, remind me of an activist attorney general like r.f.k. who will really be about making certain that that ballot box was open and, hence, other opportunities open up. >> very quickly, the president also spinning that around. also talking about the responsibility of voters. he said this. using tough language saying we have this congenital disease, which in midterm elections we don't vote. how much responsibility is on the voters themselves? >> well, the responsibility is both on the voter and on the party apparatus. this is not a new thing. when you look at voting behaviors, those people that are least likely to show up, are those people who are closer to

the margin. those people closer to being disenfranchised, those people that are not saying middle class paying mortgage, living sort of these mainstream lives. these people show up all the time. those people that are least likely to show up are those people who are most often, you know, more readily able to be disenfranchised, and we have to bring these people across the spectrum and make it a habit. you know, i taught my children even if we were left -- we have to teach our children and our children's children that voting is not just a right. it's not a privilege. it is a responsibility. so you find more core voters on the republican side of the ticket because quite frankly that demographic gives birth to that kind of behavior. we have got to make certain that noncore audiences, those black and brown communities, unmarried women, people who don't necessarily always feel like, you know, voting other than for president, we've got to make sure they vote all the time and that they know it's important to do it all the time. >> although way down the ticket.

>> although way down the ticket. goldie taylor, msnbc contributor, grio.com contributor. thank you for being here. >> thank you. next we will read between the lines on republicans' love affair with lincoln. why his vision for america is a far cry from what paul ryan is selling to voters. ♪ i know a thing about an ira ♪ and i got the tools ♪ to do it my way ♪ i got a lock on equities ♪ that's why i'm type e ♪ ♪ that's why i'm tyyyyype eeeee, ♪ ♪ i can do it all from my mobile phone ♪ ♪ that's why i'm tyyyyype eeeee, ♪ ♪ if i need some help i'm not alone ♪ ♪ we're all tyyyyype eeeee, ♪ ♪ we've got a place that we call home ♪ ♪ we're all type e ♪ oh, i can barely move a muscle. i don't have any muscles left. [ sighs ] [ chuckles ] you should really clean your ceiling fan. are you kidding me? you're gonna just throw away the last hour?

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paul ryan will deliver the keynote address at the republican party of iowa's spring lincoln dinner in cedar rapids. it's being viewed as sign that ryan, who was the losing vice presidential candidate along side mitt romney in 2012, is keeping his opings open for 2016. it comes just one day after the house passed the ryan budget, something knee done every year since republicans took over the house in 2010. this year's budget was as paul ryan-y as ever. it repeels the affordable care act. turns medicaid into a premium support system. s otherwise known as a voucher. it cuts spending by $5.1

trillion, including slashing things like food stamps, college loans, and health care for the poor. reduces the corporate income tax rate to 25% and creates just two personal income tax brackets. 25% and 10%. for flourish, it cuts social security in order to preserve defense spending. all pretty standard ryan fare. there is some irony to the idea that ryan is speaking at a dinner named for abraham lincoln, otherwise known as the republican besides teddy roosevelt who is probably the least like the modern day gop. lincoln not only believed that preserving the union trumped the continuation or expansion of slavery, which the conservative south fought an entire war to preserve. on july 1st, 1854 before he was even in elected office, lincoln said this about what he believed was the purpose and proper role of government. the best framed and best administered governments are necessarily expensive, while by errors in frame and maladministration most of them are more own russ than they need to be, and some of them very

oppressive. why then should we have government? why not each individual take to himself the whole fruit of his labor, without having any of it taxed away, in services, corn, or money? why not just take as much land as he can cultivate with his own hands, without buying it off anyone? the legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done, but cannot do at all or cannot do so well for themselves, in their separate and individual capacities. in all that, the people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere." lincoln also playsed in categories what the government should do into two categories. those which have relation to wrongs and those which have not into the first category he put. those that have not he put into the second category. things like are crime, misdemeanors and nonperformance of contract. in the second he put those things that are without wrong but require combined action like public roads and highways,

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