exchanges she's earned that right. >> like the health care.gov lady, health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius is no longer the official face of obama care. her legacy will likely be tainted by a botched website roll-out and some technical failures, but sebelius leaves at a high point, people. after 7.5 million sign-ups, plus three million covered by mom and dad's plans, bust plus more than four million americans covered by the medicaid expansion. while she's reportedly leaving on her own terms, the white house really hasn't offered that much on to keep her around. she was not invited on the day for the president's obama care victory speech, nor was she thanked by name. remember all those congressional hearings she testified after over the website debacle with the white house defending her by merely saying she didn't write the computer code. she didn't. as for the president, he has kept the news quiet since sebelius let him know weeks ago she was going to be leaving. even senate dems were reportedly caught off guard by thursday's

announcement. next up to bat, sylvia matthews burwell. her nomination has a shock at surviving congress. republicans unanimously confirmed her last year as budget director, and while no confirmation in this congress is certain, waiting any closer to the midterms would make this race for this half marathon runner even longer with lawmakers looking to score political points and critics keeping the obama care attacks in the nation's forefront. in addition to the omd, burwell served president clinton and the bill and melinda gates foundation. to make sense of it all, we start with the brilliant brian boiler, director at the new republic and someone who lost to crystal ball. >> a lot of people lost to me. it's okay, brian. it seems in some ways a page has been turned in the obama care

story, and, yet, in some ways it seems that we're going to continue having the same argument about it for some time to come with republicans being like javer chasing in les miserables. stroo that's about right. i think they have a lot to celebrate with the final enrollment numbers. i guess they're going to continue to increase. they're not even really final. exceeding their goal. at the same time i think -- and at the same time i think that the fact that she is willing and able to step aside now suggests that the administration is sort of confident in where things stapd. you wouldn't normally expect a cabinet secretary change in the middle of a crisis, so the fact that they're changing now suggests they don't think that they're in the midst of a crisis anymore, and i think that's all for the good. i think that there is an element of truth in the stories about this being sort of not punitive exactly, but an accountability moment for the administration because even though they caught up, there was a big management failure there at the outset, and it was -- it made hardship for a lot of people that shouldn't have had to experience it.

>> yeah. >> and so voters who, you know, might be willing to forgive the administration and democrats for that screw-up, need to know that somebody was held accountability sxsh this allows candidates to they will those voters that we caught up, but for the early shardships, we've held somebody accountable zoosh that's right. it's been a very rocky five months for sebelius. so rock dwla her legacy may very well be defined by it. at its worst was her less than ideal interview with john stewart that took place just one week after the website went live. take a look. >> how many have signed up thus far? jo fully enrolled i can't tell you because i don't know. we are taking applications on the web, on the phone. we'll be giving monthly reports, but i can tell you we've had not only lots of web hits, hundreds of thousands of accounts created. >> so it's been hundreds of thousands of people have signed up. >> of accounts created, which means that then they're going to go shopping. >> i mean, brian, there's no denying her public handling of

the roll-out set the president back more than probably any other thing in his presidency so far. as she steps down it r from this role, will her legacy now be defined by the past five months, by these failures? >> i honestly don't really think so. i think that most people that don't follow politics very closely couldn't tell you who hhs secretary was under george w. bush when the medicare part d roll-out was just as disastrous as this roll-out has been or was in the early months. what the administration is known for in terms of medicare is expanding the entitlement and giving seniors this prescription drug benefit. i think to the extent that hhs secretaries have legacies, her legacy will be hhs secretary during this major expansion of health insurance, and that the early roll-out problems will be a footnote to that, and, you

know, these youtube videos are forever, so we'll be watching them maybe able to poke fun at them in the future. >> health care under the aca. she's got a record here. it's not a perfect record, but it's certainly a very active cabinet position that overall i think is associated with tremendous success. that's the way i see it. on sylvia burwell what can you tell us about her nomination? >> i think she's got to be a steward for this law. i don't think that she's going to have to deal with anything like what kathleen sebelius did, so that's going to make her job relatively easier. she's a competent manager. her brief tenure at omb has been

unremarkable in a good way, just that there's been no problems, and there's going to be an open enrollment period just starting after the election, and she's going to have to manage that, but i think at this point she's taking the reigns of this project at a time when the real turbulence is in the past, and so i don't think it's going to be a terribly remarkable thing. i think that the confirmation hearings are going to allow for republicans to politic against the law in a way that we're familiar with them doing, but i think the democrats will confirm her, and they only need 51 votes to do so, and, you know, after that we're going to stop really thinking about the hhs secretary as having this very, you know, public role anymore. >> as you're pointing out, the real question in terms of confirmation is if there's anything in her record that red state democrats would have a problem with. there doesn't appear to be. i really agree with your take on sebelius's legacy. i think when you compare, you

know, a technical website problem at the beginning of the roll-out with 7.5 million people now signed up for health insurance, in my view one weighs much more heavily than the other, but that's not to discount the short-term political problem and real pain that the website roll-out caused, and i went back and took a look at the congressional ballot. you asked people if the election were today, would you vote for congress for a democrat or a republican, and you can see in october ---ing the government shutdown democrats were way up, and essentially when that ended and people started to focus on the problems with the website, democrats' numbers fell off a cliff and they are only now starting to sort of stabilize and really recover so looking forward to 2014 how much did that botched website problem at the beginning of the roll-out impact the whole landscape for

this election? >> i'm not sure it will by the time november rolls around. >> i think what that chart where it is now, what it did to the ven generic ballot, it shows this was an appropriate move. that holding her accountsable, there was a real argument for doing that beyond just, you know, optics. that there was actually a management failure and it's appropriate for senior people in the public sector and private sector to be fired when things go wrong. it also sheds new light of the filibuster rule so most executive branch appointments can't be filibustered. if there was still a 60 had vote threshold, sebelius might not have been such an easy

resignation to accept. >> right. >> and the fact that they can confirm ms. matthews with just 51 votes make it all the easier. >> we should just be clear that as far as we know sebelius is leaving under her own accord. she's not being forced out to the best of our knowledge. >> that's true, though it's interesting timing. look, brian, democratic strategist dan greenberg and jim carville who famous folks are out with some research now saying "be careful, democrats, accepting conventional wisdom on the aca and 2014 being a republican year whash. what do you think about the notion that the democrats are out running, especially the vulnerable dems running in red states, should they reject the conventional wisdom and stop fearing that the aca that bottom care could derail their campaigns? >> i've seen this moment coming for mows. unless the roll-out had been so

bad that the insurance expansion had been negligle, then you have a political disaster and a policy disaster on your hands, and there's nothing a vulnerable democrat can do or say to spin that away. having set in point and rolled through the exchanges and growing a lot of people on medicaid, a lot of people in their parents' plans, and republicans not able to say much more than we want to repeal all that, that's actually a really strong rett cal position for democrats. i mean, republicans, if you look at it that way, are really boxed into a canyon that they walked into, and i think democrats should be able to take advantage of that. i think that the law as it is makes for excellent television ads and we're starting to see those being rolled out on democrats' behalf, and i think you're seeing the polling data kind of shift where people once thought that the affordable care act would be damaging to them and few people who kind of thought it would have no impact, those numbers are switching, and

a lot of people are starting to realize that the law isn't hurting them in any way. more are starting to realize that it's helping them, and many, many fewer people believe that it has harmed them. if those trends continue, then the politics around the affordable care act will be a lot different come august, september, october, november than they are right now. >> i wonder what america's feeling about this law would be if you didn't have one party that was actively attacking the law with everything it had. brian boiler, thank you very much for being with us once again. the president is arriving any minute now in new york city where he will address the national action network's annual conference. that happens next hour. now we'll bring it to you live. up next here. a key question for both parties on the issue of health care. how do you talk to a mill enal. the cycle rolls on. friday, april 11th. when jake and i first set out on our own,

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sebelius or no sebelius we know one thing for sure about the future of obama care. a lot is riding on whether millenials decide to enroll or not. that's -- >> we definitely saw the bump. the website traffic surged. certainly zach reaches a certain audience. >> republicans also know the importance of appealing to these young people and recently released this ad as an attempt to do just that. >> so when it comes to energy policy for this country, i'm for everything -- solar, wind, shale gas, oil, whatever. i'm a republican because we should have an all of the above

energy policy. >> whatever. a whiney guy with facial hair and a leather jacket. i'm sure all republicans, young republicans, identify with that guy. according to a new study by usa today, young people are pretty fed up with both parties. our next guest writes that the first people who learn to talk to millenials like human beings will run the world. esquire.com news editor ben kol linz joins us now, and i wanted to get you on here to talk about it. it hits to the heard heart of why so many people are disenchanted and frustrated with politics today. neither party can figure out the right way to talk to young people. whether it is the republicans doing these terrible ads or democrats, you know, talking about young people like they're a number or something. how should politicians be talking to young people? >> like people. >> i don't think it's that complicated on a day to day basis to not bring up the fact that, hey, 7 million people signed up for this thing and do an immediate victory lap. that was a misstep.

obviously her lawyer dismissed that. the republican side is a little further out, and the truth is i'm not sure why it needs sob tob so binary. i'm not sure why we can't actually believe in what we believe in and not subscribe it to a particular party, and i think people are starting to understand that, and i think it's because of access to information it's in your pocket, you don't have to necessarily fwrae with something even if the numbers are off anymore. can you go check it out immediately. that is different between this generation saying they're going to change stuff, and other generations thinking the same thing. >> millenials are more comfortable with government having a role in society, helping with poverty auto a alleviation, et cetera. they're also deeply skeptical, i would say, for good reason. of large corporations of wall street. you're saying that the person that will rule the world is the person who figures out how to talk to millenials like human beings. i think we may already have someone who has figured that

out. let's take a listen. >> there is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. nobody. you built a factory out there. good for you. i want to be clear. you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. >> senator elizabeth warren, to me captures a lot of what millenials are concerned about. she also talks a lot about the student loan. >> i like the way she speaks for the -- it's a consumer advocate. >> very from the heart. >> that's very real. exactly. >> i think that's absolutely something that needs to take place. with the value of how middle america views, for example, they really did not want single parent health care. she is the staunchest advocate of single parent health care. once it gets to the issues, it

might be like on a larger global scale might be an issue. the way she talks about it, it's refreshing to hear somebody, you know, get occupy a podium and talk like you were just doing the hand movements. that's exactly right. she was doing it in a living room. she was -- she was fighting for somebody that wasn't -- that didn't have a massive pocket. >> i think that authenticity is really important. >> absolutely. she's authentic and powerful. she seems real. one of the other names for millenials is echo boomers because in many ways they echo or mirror what the baby boomers were all about, and so much of the baby boomers were about was activism and idealism and i think with the occupy movement you saw millenials or echo boomers start to do some of that stuff, and the issues of inequality and what's going on with the 1% of the 99% have only grown in prominence and grown in divergence. do you think we're going to see more activism and more idealism from this generation? >> i do.

i think the thing that's holding them back is they didn't have a chance like the baby boomers did to go outside and change things. >> think about that, people are graduating indebted like owned by a bank, essentially, and then they have to go back and they have to find a way to protest in the interim. they're working two or three jobs, and they're supposed to also have a political identity. that seems impossible. that's the difference. if it seems like selectivism or lazyness that people are doing it on the internet, they're doing it by tweeting or whatever, that really is the difference, i think. >> one of the first generations

in a while that things are going to get better naturally, that there's a flow of positive history. we do feel that, i think, as a young generation around certain issues. surely around social progress inequality, right? >> everyone thinks that the more people are born and grow up, and a lot of us don't think we're going to go back on race in the sense of naturally going back to noticings of racism or state-sponsored racism, although we have a lot of work to do, and we talk about it on the show about what policies combat that. that's the generational piece. contrast that if you would, for us with the actual technology piece, which comes up so much, right? the why idea that you have a generation that has tremendous access to information and access to share that most people didn't have through most of history. >> i think knowledge at that point once it becomes -- once it

can be cast away by literally looking at your phone, knowledge becomes exponential. for example, there was a paurt of my childhood where i was pretty sure i could jump into my television and be part of the television. it was just something i thought i could do. there were like four years of my life where i thought that was possible. that's not happening for kids anymore. they can go and look. they can go find that out. >> that's how ray got on the show. >> he jumped -- i just saw there's a thing up there. >> jumped directly from the 1980s into the show. >> exactly. >> once you cast aside all the things -- you can find sources that you find reputable and you can sort of move forward from there. that's what it is. it's all technology. >> yeah. such interesting stuff. i'm glad you wrote the piece. no doubt that the next generation has had a huge impact on politics. they have to figure out how to communicate with the young

people. ben, thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> the latest on the fatal california bus crash. a college visit turned tragic. >> possible semitruck fire. i believe just north of highway 32 on i-5. all fire personnel reported semitruck fire i-5 north of the highway 32 on ramp. >> dispatch 22 responding. heavy black smoke. >> ten people are dead, and we are live outside the hospital where survivors are fighting for their lives in just a moment. (music)

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>> it's impossible not to just take a moment and say how relieved we are in l.a. that the students who were graduating and have been accepted and were going to a place which is obviously going to be of their dreams. that's quite painful. >> the news cycle begins with the devastating bus crash in california, the tour bus packed with high school students was

heading to humbolt state university for a college visit when the fedex truck collided with the bus head on and burst into flames. five students, three adult chaperones and the drivers of the bus and the truck are all dead. dozens of other passengers are fighting injuries. nbc's stephanie stanton is outside the local hospital where several victims are being treated. stephanie, what do you know about the cause of the crash? >> well, the ntsb has a team of investigators on site at this hour. they are combing through that crash site looking for what caused this deadly crash. some of the things they'll be looking at, possible driver error. they'll be looking at speed, the mechanics of both the bus and the fedex truck itself. i am standing outside the hospital here in chico. this is one of seven area hospitals where some 30 crash victims have been taken. 11 here specifically. the death toll of this crash now stands at ten. five of them high school

students. three of them were chaperones, one an admissions counselor at humbolt state university. the driver of the bus and the truck they both died as well. this was supposed to be a trip filled with such promise for these students. 48 high school students, high school seniors, headed to humbolt state university for a spring open house to check out the college that they hoped to attend, and, of course, now it is turned to a very tragic and horrific situation for these families. >> stephanie stanton, thank you so much for that update. also, the news cycle, a setback for missing malaysian flight 370. the prime minister of australia says he is confident that signals picked up by the u.s. navy's on board an aussie ship were from the flight recorders, but the ping detected by sonar buoys this week is not related to the plane. search teams continue to drag the navy towed pinger across the ocean to narrow the search zone. once that happens, the unmanned blue fin mini-subwill be sent to map the ocean floor.

the underwater search area now covers 500 square miles, roughly the size of the city of los angeles. that's significantly smaller than the previously under water search area, but could still take the mini-sub six weeks to map. now to the spin cycle and the story that has everybody talking. steven colbert is taking over late night. >> i'm going to miss this good man. dave has been on the air my entire adult life. late night debuted my first year in college. i learned more from watching dave than i did from going to my classes. especially -- especially the ones i did not go to because i had stayed up until 1:30 watching dave. this man has influenced every host who came after him and even a few who came before him. he is that good. >> now, for those that may be freaking out that colbert's character, and, yes, it is a character, people, is too political for network late

night, the comedian offered this reassurance. "i won't be doing the new show in character, so we'll all get to find out how much of him was me. i'm looking forward to it." whew, i was concerned about that. i don't like politics, guys. remember, it's only been two months on the job for jimmy fallon and seth myers, but colbert is one moving part in a thv landscape that is changing before our eyes. there is the morning show shake of ups with sam charch yon and josh elliott leaving the abc morning show though join us at the peacock. barbara walters moving off camera with her "view" departure after nearly 40 years in the biz, and sunday night "mad men's" final season begins. "breaking bad" and no "mad men." specifically on colbert, some conservatives were very upset about this choice. they were very exercised over it for a variety of reasons. i have to say if there was an equally sort of talented creed of conservative who was going to get such a prom nebt slot, i

probably wouldn't be that psyched about it. to the point of whether or not he can pull off an hour without the sort of schtick of his character, i think if you look at some of the really creative work he did on the colbert report, i think there's a lot of room for excitement about the sort of -- he won a tv award for creating his own super pact. >> with the incredible characterure of conservatism did he. it was more devastating than anything john stewart could do because he was a picture of conservatism and egotism and the self-richusness and even the aggrieved victimhood of conservatism is very much part of one of my favorite moments of the show.

>> you don't listen to anything i say. now for seven years. how do you repay me? four more years of -- >> this is the day after the election when obama won again. i think, though, interesting colbert will do a great shob show, and it will be the same dynamic of leno and letterman in that the nbc show will be the populous show that will get the bigger numbers, but the cbs show will be the one that influences future comics. >> i think that's apt, and i think he has that background. the character thing is interesting. people are exercised about it, and there are people who perform in character. a lot of people don't realize abby huntsman -- >> i'm always in character. >> she is -- >> great character. >> that's the thinking. you were actually a liberal hippie college professor. >> i used to walk barefoot. >> you do this so well.

people say to me is that what she's really like. no. yes. no. it's confusing. >> the character that you are doing right now, what about that? >> that is so deep that i can't even -- >> you can't talk about your own character. >> it's too late. can i say that i have now used up all my time. >> it's an important point. you know, i love colbert, and i'm xid for him to take this role. he has a huge following, and i'm sure they will help him move into that role. what i will say, though, in terms of politics is where are the women? you look at the line-up today, and the line-up that has been in place for a number of years now when there are so many funny women out there. they are nowhere to be seen. it's not like a woman has never done this before. joan rivers, remember in the late 1980s, i wasn't old enough to probably watch the show. she had a great stint in late night. >> look at the hair. >> it's amazing. >> it's beautiful stuff. but i have to ask the question why? where are these women? i know there's a prejudice out there that women aren't as funny as men.

i think that's totally crazy. ellen degenerous would be crazy in one of these night slots. tina fey. there's a reason why the managers at the top are saying, you know what, we're not ready to put a woman in there yet. i will say this, though. craig ferguson, his contract is up. we're not sure whether he is going to stay. who knows what will happen. there are some rumblings that if he leaves it could be chelsea handler who takes over. it would totally blow up this conversation. that would be a cool thing. >> i would love to see samantha in colbert's old slot. coming up next, indiana jones, a historian on an original progressive hero. we call that a -- [ male announcer ] this is kevin.

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library. while l.b.j. crafted the modern liberalism, great society programs, equal protection for all, he was building on the philosophy of an earlier democratic president. amidst the depression f.d.r. argued that a strong national government was essential to securing freedom and he brought into our understanding of freedom itself that it was not only about, hey, leave me alone, but it was about a series of affirmative opportunities f.d.r. famously outlined for core freedoms, freems of speech and expression. freedom of worship. freedom from want, and freedom from fear. historian harvey kay explores that period in his new book "the fight for the four freedoms" cha made f.d.r. and the greatest generation truly great. welcome. >> thank you. great to be here. >> you write about the inherent progressivism. tell us about that. it was a progressivism based on a sound belief in america's promise that it had some kind of historic purpose and promise, something we don't hear much from the left these days, sadly

enough, though for 200 years that was our proposition. roosevelt reminded americans of what they were kind of like thomas pane. he spoke to them of what they were feeling, but weren't quite saying, of what they were thinkinging, but not clart clat being themselves, and he mobilized them to the labors of new deal and organize themselves in labor unions, consumer campaigns, and the civil rights struggle which actually begins solidly in the 1930s. >> f.d.r. was a divisive figure. the business community fought back in their own way, and you write this. you say even though profits were up, increasingly business men hated him. they saw progressive politics he championed as imperilling their liberties, their power, and their freedoms, and it was these business mogul that is you say were so determined to block his re-election and win over public support, and you said even hired spies and thugs to set up their own weapons arsenal on to which f.d.r. responded i welcome their

hatred, something you would probably never hear a president today say. >> he welcomed their hatred because it was a signal that he must have been doing things right. he welcomed it because he welcomed the affection of most americans. this was a president who won handily in 1932 with the elections, and theb in 1934 the democrats won even more seats in congress because of how solidly americans stood behind voez velt and the new deal. in 1936 he walloped the republicans, and they had spent the political right and the american liberty league the rich bankers, the rich financiers, they had spent millions in trying to get people to hate him enough to not vote for him. well, 1936, as i said, he walloped them. the main thing was he really was saying what america is about. if we really want to sustain american democracy, we don't just defend it, we don't just secure it, we actually have to make it more democratic. you are going to defend american -- you make it more democrat. that's actually i think the

most -- that's what make sure america exceptional. when we lose touch with that, that's when we cease to be american. >> interestingly, my sister and i were recently talking to our father, and she asked who is his favorite president of all time, and he said f.d.r. there are my dad and sister right there. that was obviously a long time ago. >> so cute. >> it reminded me how f.d.r. brought black people and poor people into the party, made them feel that the democrats are the defenders of blacks and the poor and shaped the modern democratic party. >> there is no doubt he could have done more, but southerners controlled the congress, so he had to work through them. social security at first left out blacks because it left out agricultural and household workers, left out blacks because agricultural workers -- the thing was, when he spoke to americans in fireside chats and others, he spoke right into their radios. african-americans believed he was speaking to them. that, in fact, they were in his

living room. it's a phenomenal thing that here's a president from the hudson river gentry, this white wealthy guy, but he had this incredible understanding of what americans could do if they were mobilized to make it happen. >> absolutely. >> well, and part of the term to progressivism under f.d.r. was a result of crisis, of wars, and of depression and you're ultimately hopeful that we could have a new sort of progressive resurgence like we saw at that time. was the 2008 financial crisis not enough for us? do we have to have something bigger? >> the crisis is enough. the politics wrept enough. the democratic party failed to act in the fashion that it should have acted. it failed to recall the days of f.d.r. it failed to recall the fact that it wasn't just a matter of operating top down. it was a matter of engaging young americans. college students -- i say to my students in the year that obama was running for president. i said this man is smart. he has the right language. this guy is going to definitely make a difference. and i said but the first thing i would do if i were him because i

would have gone to congress and want a national service program so that every student that graduates high school and college can do two years of national service and then we'll cover two years of higher education. that's the kind of thing students were ready to go out and do with the idea that they could change themselves and the united states. now, i don't think it's finished. look, the majority of americans are still progressive. they don't talk like it, but they are progressive. the problem is that we have this un -- we have this imbalance in congress, we have these things. you republican, don't give up. >> i haven't. >> it starts now. it starts now. >> amen. >> i like that. >> don't give up. it starts now. couldn't have said it better. harvey kay, good luck with the book. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, it's time for some friday creativity. stay with us. without standard leather. you are feeling exhilarated with front-wheel drive. you are feeling powerful with a 4-cylinder engine. [ male announcer ] open your eyes...

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i want to admit something that you guys don't know. i have never had a perfect show. every show i make mistakes, and i walk away feeling like a failure, and saying why can't it be more like krystal whose every show is perfect. >> far from it. >> then i found this book called "the rise" which calls failure a gift, and i said, yes, this philosophy is for me. welcome its author, noted curator and scholar sarah lewis, who served on president obama's arts policy committee and, of course, is an old friend of mine. sarah, how is failure a gift? >> well, first of all, thaur for having me on. i wrote this book because so many of our iconic achievements

and creative endeavors have come from these improper failures. we don't often celebrate them. whether after 26 years as a failed painter and stretches the bars to the telegraph itself. there are so many examples like that as i thought as a curator and scholar that we had these stories out there more. >> do you think we're headed in the wrong direction in a sense because our focus as a society and the west, particularly in the affluent parts of the west and in terms of parenting, is taking kids at a younger and younger age and making them more and more focused on steps of achievement and, i mean, when i was in middle school, i were them saying this will be on your permanent record. you need to do this right because -- it was -- much, much later did i find out there was no permanent record, which is a good thing. >> what? >> there is this pressure particularly on certain communities and the question is how do you deal with that and differentiate that from what you are talking about, which is i think a type of creative

failure? >> it's an excellent point. there's so many implications for parenting in this book, and it's part of why i wrote it. one of the reasons why this topic is so important is that they're finding, angela duckworth down at u penn finding that grit, the ability to persist in your goal despite getting failure feedback, is one of the best predictors they found for achievement for young people. more so than iq or talent alone. right? so when we avoid these moments of failure, we're doing ourselves a great disservice, right, from being able to achieve what it is that we want. >> on that note, i mean, you talk about the difference between success and mastery, and success being a moment in time versus a mastery of things sort of the ark of the success. are we too focused on our one moment in time successes that we don't ultimately get to where it is we want to be? >> absolutely. you know, when you look at creative lives, iconic creative lives, you see people who look at their lives as a journey, you know, and aren't as fixated on that one moment of success, so think of someone like william falkner who publishes a sound of the fury, we all love it, it

goes on to great acclaim, but he is not fully satisfied with it, and because of that feeling he has and the kind of near win of it, he rewrites sections, he publishes it 16 years later as an appendix to that novel, and that's years later. and that's what keeps him going. so we need these feelings that we have a journey. >> you talk about paul taylor whose work has been both widely loved and widely totally panned and you have a great quote. he said you never know how a dance will go with an audience. i never know. i never care as long as it's what i wanted to make. it's nice if they do like them, but it's not why i do them. so many times i find myself in my life needing that external validation rather than living my life for myself. >> he's so instructive as a model. paul taylor is so celebrated

now. few people know when he created one of his first dances that really designed his style, it was panned. so much so that the review had no words at all. it was just his name and blank news print. and the scandal at the time. and he was horrified by it. but he still knew what he had done was what he wanted to be nope f known. so how do you still listen to that inner voice. that's part of what he's known for. >> you were on the president's arts policy committee. one of the things that i'm impressed with culturally about this white house is their commitment to arts and the sort of things that they're hanging on the walls in this white you art that is in the white house? >> i think this administration's been fantastic for having an arts policy.

it shows leadership both in what the physical space can offer and who they allow to come in, whether dancers or musicians. i think it's so critical. we're such a young nation that we often times forgets the importance of the arts. we see it sometimes a luxury, a respite from life, but it is foundational for how it is we engage with each other. >> even among other countries away the world. fascinating. >> what do you think of president bush's paintings? >> i think it's incredibly courageous that he was willing to show them. >> that was the most pc answer possible. >> very diplomat ticdiplomatic. >> i'm amazed that he's willing to do that. >> definitely courageous. good job, sarah. thank you very much. best of luck. up next, vladimir putin for president. i'll explain. ive your money?

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>> this is the most meaningful work i've ever been a part of. it's because the cause of my life. >> kathleen sebelius is out. sylvia math knew matthews burre. >> these been here even when it got rough. >> she oversaw a very disastrous rollout of obamacare. >> was she pushed out? >> she's been a very convenient punching bag. >> they get to end on a vostronr political footing. >> the final score speaks for itself. >> republicans were enthusiastic about her departure. this resignation is the latest indication of what a disaster obamacare has been. >> unfortunately a page is miss. >> there is a lot of big questions about obamacare moving board. >> nominating a younger woman who has a great record who has a