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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. i'm trying to make it easy. >> a distraught inmate is placed in the jail's restraint chair. >> i can't breathe. >> now staff must unravel the mystery of what has him so upset. >> how much time have you done in this jail >> 31 years. >> a familiar face struggles to exit the jail's revolving door but there's a catch.
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>> he's islamic and wants to go into a christian program. that's a problem. >> another inmate has pled guilty to manslaughter but now in an unusual legal twist he may have to stand trial for murder. >> they stated i was a monster, i would go out and kill somebody else again. >> a convicted murder stands trial for a gruesome related crime. >> god give me another chance. i said god is not here. many of the small towns in bergen county, new jersey are considered wealthy suburbs of nearby new york city but bergen has a notable city of its honey, hackensack.
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outside of downtown is the county's legal district home to its courthouses and the bergen county jail. >> state-of-the-art facility. we have 277 sworn officers as well as 58 civilians. >> close to 900 male and female inmates. most have only been charged with crimes and awaiting trial for the resolution of their cases. many of those cases are resolved within days. but others can drag on for years. the challenge for those inmates is learning how to cope with monotony, confinement, fear and anxiety. some meet the challenge better than others. inside one of the jail's high-security, inmate paul dixon
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is having a difficult time. >> nobody is hurting you. put your hands through so we can get you out of here. >> dixon is naked in what is known as a single person special management cell. he was placed there earlier in the day due to erratic behavior. >> originally he was in a mental health housing unit and medically cleared through a psychiatrist and put in the general population. he lasted about ten minutes and was flipping out. brought him back to medical. they placed him on special management. >> put your hands through. nobody is hurting you. okay. >> paul, put the gown on. >> paul, i'm trying to make it easy. you're not going to get hurt. >> sergeant turry has decided to remove dixon from his cell and place him in a restraint chair some can be safely value waited by medical staff.
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>> paul, relax. >> for legal reasons jail policy videotape incidents like this one. >> relax. grab him. i got the gloves on. >> go right there. >> nonviolent. >> dixon is back in jail on a parole violation. he had been sentenced to 101 days for third degree theft. he had prior convictions for theft as well. >> he has to go the restraint chair until he gets calmed down and gets evaluated once again. >> paul, nobody is hurting you. we're here to help you. look at me. a nurse will come in here and check you out. everything will be fine.
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just relax, all right. relax. >> for safety of himself, staff, the institution it's basically a cooling off period, supervised by custody staff, medical checks him out. >> roughly an hour later the officers return. dixon has calmed down and they feel he's now ready to be moved back to his special management cell. >> we're going to take you out of the chair. >> it's not what you want. this is, you know, can't stay in the chair. >> i can be in that room. i go crazy in there. i can't. please. >> what's going to happen? >> you put me in medical. i won't say a word. >> same size room. you have a window. in medical you have no window. >> please.
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>> going over there you chill out. you need something you calm down. >> dixon continues to be beg to be housed elsewhere. after several minutes of coaxing he agrees to return to his cell. >> paul, you'll see mental health tomorrow. >> in a nearby cell is edwin, a friend dixon met during prior stays here. he says he didn't know dixon was on the knit until he was awakened by his cries. >> my port was open. i looked. i couldn't see his face. but i remembered his voice. that's paul dixon. i know him. >> he was surprised at dixon who has gone to jail numerous times before but so distressed. >> i'm not saying he's faking but sometimes you do stress out in here. some people are not built for this. >> he's going through some stress of his own.
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several weeks earlier he pled guilty to aggravated manslaughter for killing an 88-year-old world war ii victim. he was described by his family as a vibrant and active great-grandfather. >> i don't want to go to hell for what happened. i'm really afraid. i don't want to spend the rest of eternity in hell. what happened i was smoking and i ended up in one of my friend's grandfather's house. it was like, i got paranoid and i went crazy and lost my mind. i went into the kitchen and grabbed a pen to hit him twice or three times. the velocity was so fast, was so hard that the pot itself was bent. it was bent in. i heard him yell, turned around and i started running and i
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remember the only thing i do remember was me grabbing the wallet he left on the table. >> six days after the attack, estrada was arrested when he tried to use the victim's credit cards. the man regained consciousness but died 11 days later in the hospital. he was able to tell the authorities he was sitting on his couch watching tv and attacked from behind. estrada was charged with first degree murder. in a deal with prosecutors he pled down to aggravated manslaughter and sentenced to 27 years in prison. but then his case took an unusual turn. estrada's deal was approved by a judge who was sitting in for the presiding judge while she was on vacation. the presiding judge returned she overturned the deal. she was suede by complaints by some of the victim's family members that 27 years was too light of a sentence for such a brutal crime.
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>> the judge is more towards the family. i understand you have to be sympathetic to the family. they stated i was a monster. i would go out there and kill somebody again. >> estrada will soon return to the court to see if the judge is open to a new plea deal or stand trial for murder. >> the judge she just wants me to do life. if i go to trial i'm screwed. >> coming up -- >> teaches you about paradise. that sounds good. >> edwin estrada seeks a new religion and a talented artist with a gruesome past. >> when i finished, what am i going to do now?
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for the maximum security unit surprise searches for contraband are a regular part of life. >> shake downs here in the bergen county jail are performed on a continuous but sporadic basis. it's to catch the inmates off guard. i don't like that they get too comfortable being anywhere. i consider it my house you're a visitor. you get in there too comfortable too bad. >> we're looking for contraband. >> he use as weapon. grab somebody from behind. >> contraband can go from as far as a weapon and i want also goes to excess. inmates can buy a newspaper if they have 50 weeks of newspapers it's got to go. >> these guys are here for long term. they accumulate more stuff.
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>> today julio flores will lose some excess items in his cell. inmates are allowed only two pencils in a cell, anything over that is confiscated. >> how many pencils did you lose today? >> six, seven pencils. it's very important the pencils. >> flores relies on pencils to create his art. it brings a small touch of beauty to a stark jail cell. ate talent he discovered in prison. >> i never drew like this way. god showed me his favor even when you are a killer. >> flores may believe his art comes from god but says he was on his own five years earlier when he strangled his 28-year-old ex-girlfriend. >> i remember she said god give me another chance. >> while you were choking her?
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>> yeah. i said, god is not here. >> flores killed his ex-girlfriend inside his bronx new york city apartment. he pled guilty to second-degree murder and received a sentence of 19 years to hive in a new york state prison. he's been extra dated to new jersey to stand trial for a related crime. >> why are you in new jersey? >> for bringing the -- >> body parts. tried to hide it. >> flores admits that after he murdered his victim he dismembered her body. >> when i finished killing her, in the moment i said what am i going to do now. you know what? now you got to disappear. >> flores placed the body parts into a plastic bag and drove
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them to a home in bergen county, new jersey. and placed the bags in buckets. >> how many buckets? >> four buckets, five buckets in all. i used cement too, concrete to put, you know, all over in the buckets. >> the owner of the house happened to stop by. found flores in the front yard and questioned him. >> i said listen, man, i got some body there. he looked at me. what? yeah. i killed my ex-girlfriend yesterday. >> now in addition to his conviction for second-degree murder flores is charged in bergen county with desecration of human remains. [ speaking foreign language ] >> though he's openly admitted to the act, this time he's pled not guilty and will soon stand trial.
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he says god led him to that decision. >> why are you always smiling in the newspapers? >> in the moment he forgive me my sins and i felt all my guilt is out of me. i'm so happy. i don't live with bad memories no more. i believe she's already free. god is love. >> while flores may face incarceration for the rest of his life, paul abdul wiggins hopes his days in jail is near an end. >> how many years have you been here? >> 31 years. >> wiggins has been a regular. the jail no longer has his earlier mug shots on record but wiggins says all his crimes have centered around a drug addiction.
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>> so this is every time mr. wiggins has ever been incarcerated in this facility and it's 10, 20, 30, about 40 times. when he first comes in, he's on edge. >> he's high usually when he comes in. >> coming off drugs. >> doesn't want to talk. doesn't want to be bothered. wants to be left alone. he's dope sick. then once he comes around he thaws out, usually pretty good. one of our frequent flyers, you know. >> wiggins says that after all these years he's finally had enough. >> next year i'll be 50 years old, man. this is the time that i'm really starting to wake up to all the things that i've been through in life. finally at that stage where i see things so much clearer, man. i mean a whole lot clearer. >> wiggins is currently in jail on his latest drug possession conviction.
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this time the judge gave him a choice serve five years in prison or enter a long term residential drug rehab program. upon completion he would be released on probation. >> you know sometimes it's difficult, man, to explain to people, you know, like how many times i've been in and out of this system and it's sad, really. now you see a guy that is anxious for change. i never thought i would live to see 30 but i'm here. i have a beautiful granddaughter that i'm crazy about. i want to be there when she graduates high school. i want to thereabout when she go to college and graduate. i wasn't there for my daughter. when i think about it, it hurts. she didn't deserve that. i was afraid to change at one
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time because i was so comfortable being where i was at. it just became an every day routine. but now i'm willing to take that challenge. >> wiggins who works as an inmate food server has spent so much time at bergen county he seems to come and go and moved up the ranks. >> there's lieutenant, cat, warden, they were all officers when i first came in. 25 years ago paul was a rookie here. now a lieutenant and is one of the jail's highest ranking officers. he's known wiggins his entire career. >> everything was a fight. and, you know, we wouldn't be standing like this with each other those years. we would be fighting, rolling around on the ground. it took him a while. i do believe that everybody should be given an opportunity and, he told me, said he never
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had an opportunity. he's getting one now. i think if he walks the walk as he's talking the talk he'll make it. yeah, i do. >> coming up -- >> why are you picking these programs? >> the program has a lot to offer me. >> paul abdul wiggins pleads his case to a skeptical staff person. >> paranoia miss you i will not help you at all. >> officers get to the bottom of paul dixon's break down.
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behind the walls of hackensack, new jersey's bergen county jail paul dixon recently had what appeared to be an emotional breakdown. he just spent time in the mental health unit for a routine evaluation before being released to general population. a short time later he began wailing and was placed in a restraint chair. dixon later calmed down and
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returned to his cell and now officers have determined the episode was not a breakdown, an act of manipulation. >> he definitely is manipulating the system. he was comfortable in the mental health housing unit and once cleared for general population he realized that it wasn't too comfortable over there. now he's doing his best to get re-value waited and get put back in mental health housing. >> how much was real and how much was fake? >> um, all of it was fake, basically. i just -- it was like a whole act i was doing. >> why? >> so i could just get to the other housing unit so i wouldn't have to come to either here or go to some general population. >> it's not uncommon for inmates to want to spend time in the mental health unit. there's no cell, fewer inmates and it's a quieter setting. >> i like to it be quiet where i could watch tv >> you're heck of an actor. >> thank you.
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i seen a lot of people throw temper tantrums before, saying they are hearing voices and suicidal and all that. if you're going to do something you got to play it out to its fullest. >> officers say they won't take risk if an inmate appears to be in a period of distress it's not the first time they hear one cry wolf. >> you get to know after a while who is playing a game and who is for real. it becomes a spidey sense. >> dixon never made it back to the mental health unit but said he's glad to be free of the restraint chair. >> trust me nobody can get out of the car seat not teen best of the best. while inmates in this housing unit are only released from their cells a few at a time they can visit with each other when they are out. >> what's up, man? >> dixon's old friend edwin estrada drops by. >> you were going crazy.
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you woke me up. pulling you out naked. [ bleep ] >> estrada who admitted to killing an 88-year-old world war ii vet with a kitchen knife is waiting a new court day. his original plea deal was overturned by a judge for being too lenient. >> first off it was 27 years and i signed for it and they took it back. >> what are they talking >> life. >> they can't give you life. >> yeah. it's murder. >> how old was the dude? >> he was old. >> he confessed killing the man. it could result in a life sentence if found guilty. but he's equally concerned about what awaits after life. >> i really don't want to go to hell for happened. i'm really afraid. i don't want to spend the rest of eternity -- i worry about what will happen after my death.
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we all die one day but where do you go? you know what i'm saying. >> estrada was raised catholic but now he's trying something new. the religion of islam. >> i went religion shopping. >> you're going through every religion. >> maybe. whichever one i'm hungry for. >> and of late estrada has been hungry quite a bit. it's the start of the muslim holiday of ramadan which requires followers to fast every day until sundown for an entire month. >> i never ate that baloney sandwich. >> i feel more towards peace with islam because for some reason it helped me settle my anger sometimes and islam teaches you about paradise. i really don't want to go to hell. >> coming up -- >> you told me opportunity a muslim. all right that's fine.
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the original bergen county jail completed in 1912 looked more like an ominous castle compared to its replacement which opened next door in 2000. paul abdul wiggins is one of the few inmates whose long record of coming in and out of jail spends most facilities. >> i'm a man of my word. i got to keep my word. that's all i got. >> wiggins has had more than 40 stays at the jail and a lit any of drug, theft and robbery convictions that he says all stemmed from addiction. >> i used to sniff heroin and coke. it was something i allowed myself to like when i should have been hating it at all times. >> now a 49-year-old grandfather, wiggins says he wants to change. >> i asked my creator to erase this taste from my mouth, take this taste away from me.
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i believe i'm strong enough now to fight that demon. >> wiggins' opportunity lies in his sentence for his latest drug possession charge. his judge has told him he can either serve five years in a state prison or enter an approved drug rehabilitation program at a halfway house and stay clean. >> i think somewhere in his life he's reached an epiphany. you can't do this your whole life or you end up dying or your family dies while you're in here. that's become very real to him as he's gotten older. >> wiggins' ability to get into a drug program lies with dawn who has tried to help him in the past without much luck. she's the jail's inmate program. part of her job is matching inmates with community resources.
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but she has a problem with wiggins request. >> he's islamic and wants to go into a christian program. that's a problem. i know from my past experience if someone who is of a different religion goes into a christian program they usually have a problem following the spiritual guidance there. that's why i want to find him some place that will be more amenable to his faith. >> if you look -- stop looking at half of the picture. >> i'm looking at the whole picture. >> no you're not. >> yes i am >> you're not seeing what i'm seeing. >> that's the whole problem. >> that was a low blow. >> you just said it. >> that's below the belt. >> why are you picking these programs? >> why? because the program has a lot to offer me. >> but the foundation that your faith is built on, the foundation -- okay. >> that's the only thing --
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>> it's your foundation. >> you know, i don't want to go there because that's my old stomping grounds. >> okay. >> i'm too familiar with all that. i need to be somewhere where i know nobody, i don't know where i'm going. >> everyone wants to see him try harder this time. like he said he's done this before. so, i want to give him a good start. i'll call the salvation army program and see if they accept someone who is islamic. >> if you come back here again, under any circumstance, i promise you i will not help you at all. no matter how many lieutenants, captains or anybody comes and says you're going to help him, right. >> you know the sad part of it i believe you. >> i'm telling you the truth. >> i know. >> i'm telling the truth. >> i believe you. >> as wiggins waits to find out
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if he'll be accepted into the program he continues his job as a foot server. this week that might be more challenging than usual. wiggins is observing the month long islamic holiday of ramadan and must fast until sundown. he converted to islam during a jail stay ten years earlier and took the name abdul. >> abdul means servant like serving god. when i'm living right, doing right and on the straight path i'm god's servant. that's why i chose that name. >> about 10% of the inmate population is muslim and for those who request it the jail provides meals that meet the religion's dietary requirements. >> it's blessed. like kosher. that's what makes it special. it's blessed. >> got to wait for another list. so i know i try. he can't wait.
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look he can't wait to eat the. >> 19 hours. >> edwin estrada said he embraced the religion because among other things he's fear of going to hell as taught by his catholic upbringing. this inmate has served as a mentor but said he has to keep an eye on estrada. >> you got to watch him. he asked me for canteen. i'm going to fast, let me get a honey bun. >> estrada hoped he would find peace in islam but not so sure he's cut out for it. >> i'm not going to do it. >> i've been telling you that. nobody can force religion to you. either you want -- you told me you want to be muslim. i said all right that's fine but then -- >> i'm too immature. just the bottom line.
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every day wash my hand, wash my feet, everything and pray and i got to do it again three hours later. all of that. just too much discipline for me. i'm done with that. i don't want to act like somebody i'm not no more. i'm not is going to do it. you're not going to catch me -- >> you just answered my entire -- >> you're not going to catch me at 4:00 a.m. praying facing that way. see what i'm saying. >> it's not that way. >> this way. it's bean while since i prayed. >> outside the unit wiggins continues his food delivery route. he only delivers trays to the door of each housing unit and that's a big relief especially when it comes to one unit. >> i just bring it to this door and that's it. it's a wrap. i don't go in there. lock down. max. that's max in there.
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there's killers in there. i'm not a killer. >> one of those convicted killers is julio flores. after strangling his ex-girlfriend inside his bronx, new york apartment he pled guilty to second-degree murder and was sentenced 19 years to life in a new york state prison. because flores was actually arrested in new jersey with the woman's body parts concealed inside buckets he was extradited to bergen county to stand trial on an additional charge, desecration of human remains. earlier today it took a jury less than two hours to find him guilty. >> so tell me about when you first heard the verdict and what your reaction was. >> you're not going to believe me because i'm so happy. really i'm so happy. something touched me. i can't explain. i feel like happy. i can't explain. it's out of this world and all people look at me like crazy. >> you're at peace. >> yeah.
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i'm in hands of god. >> flores was sentenced to 20 years in the new jersey state prison system which he'll only serve if he's ever released from prison in new york. ironically he could serve a longer sentence for desecrating his ex-girlfriend's body than murdering her. >> are you so sure now you've been forgiven for your crime and how? >> of course. >> do you think you'll see your victim in heaven? >> that's not dependent on me. >> what will you say to her? >> what would i say to her if i see her in heaven. if you go to heaven everybody is forgiven. you don't have to ask forgiveness. just god loves you. that's it. what am i going to say, i'm sorry i killed you. no. don't need it. because it's already done.
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general population. and says he's changed his tune. he's also gotten his clothes back. >> i guess i was in the chicken soup, graduated back to the orange uniform. behaved. >> how does it feel to be in this? >> much better. i learned that if i ever do come back which i'm not going to come back to jail i'll do at any time right way and take it like a man. it's not worth it putting these guys through all types of hell, you know. >> dixon is in jail on a probation violation for third degree theft but soon will be going home. >> they granted me time served. and theater my natured my probation. so i'm waiting a little bit, probably another hour or so i should be going home, you know. and now i can see my kids. see my family again. and work my way up, get back into school and be successful and accomplish things in life. i'm too old to be coming to jail.
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so, its good advice don't come to jail. >> dixon's friend edwin estrada faces the possibility of never living in the free world again. he will soon appear in court to learn if his judge will entertain another plea deal or order him to stand trial for allegedly killing an elderly man with a kitchen pan. >> i feel bad for what happened. at first when i got here i was sort of in denial. i don't need to be here. in the back of my head somebody died. i need to pay for what happened. that's the reality of thing. i messed up so much in my life that sometimes it's like can it get any worse. i really don't think it can get any worse. i don't want to say i jinxed myself but that's how i feel. >> estrada had hoped his conversion to islam who help relief his stress but he recently decided that it wasn't for him so now he's looking for
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other ways to cope. >> i don't know. i need a bunky. i'm losing my mind being by myself. you want company. you need somebody to talk to the express how you feel. >> estrada came to me earlier about feeling depressed, not talking to anybody. he suggested if inmate sanchez can be his bunky. if it helps estrada out in any way it help me out. i got a lot of things going on. we don't want any suicides happening. >> you're going 48. >> now? >> yeah. i got to clean the room it's dirty. >> he clean. >> sanchez is known at the jail for being clean, very clean. >> i've never seen anyone clean like that man cleans. >> i was going to clean the whole room because for sanchez to come in. i want to clean out the cell before he moves in. my mom said when you clean, it has cleaner energy you feel better.
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>> do you have any concerns about them bunking together? >> no, not at all. sanchez he's a good worker and estrada sometimes still gets depressed every once in a while and they can watch each other. >> shortly after sanchez moves in there's a problem. >> he didn't give me a chance to scrub the floor. >> it's not clean. >> we got to do that. >> we got to clean. >> that's depression. >> see my toilet. and my sink too. >> he's the cleanest man. >> see the toilet and sink not like that. [ bleep ] >> sanchez is a unit worker. we need to keep the units as possible. he does the best job out of all the workers we have. i use him as often as i can. he'll go in and scrub from ceiling to floor and i mean wets the ceiling, the walls and takes the squeegee.
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the bunks get lean. all the metal gets clean. >> the smell is good. >> i'm telling you when he leaves it's clean. i even allow him to clean the officer's bathroom because he does a good job. if i was able to take him home i would take him home and allow him to clean my house because that's how good of a cleaner he is. >> is your room lean? very clean? yes. very clean. >> so, edwin did you count on this? >> no. >> coming up -- >> i want to get something like 15 to 20. >> i want you to be realistic. >> a counselor tries to temper edwin edwin's high hopes before he heads to court. >> two of my fears me dying in prison and my mother passing. >> paul abdul wiggins stares reality right in the face.
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compared to prison where the inmates have all been sentenced and know how long they will serve, life in jail is a world of uncertainty. but every day resolution arrives for someone. >> paul dixon put on a show in order to manipulate his housing assignment. >> you're going to south one and if you cause problems you'll end up back in the chair. >> it didn't work. but one month after that incident, he's a free man. >> paul dixon, he violated probation for original charge of third degree theft and was released yesterday. >> dixon will still be on probation but now he has another chance to make it on the outside. the future seems less bright for his friend edwin estrada.
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after admitting to killing an 88-year-old man by striking him numerous times with a kitchen pan, estrada's plea deal of 27 years was revoked by a judge who decided the sentence was too lenient. estrada is hopeful for a new plea deal but faces the possibility of going to trial for murder and a potential life sentence if found guilty. >> hi, frankie, it's jackie from mental health. i'm coming down to see estrada. >> helping him through it is jackie gill. >> because edwin is facing very sears charges and his case has taken some twists and turns that we didn't expect i've been seeing him the whole time he's been here. >> good morning. >> we just worked with the possibility of life. that's the reality he's going to prison for a long time. so to skirt around that issue would do him a disservice. >> i'm working to try to get something like 15 to 20 with
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this new attorney. >> that would be a lot different than -- >> i would happy -- >> what he planned for. >> i would be content. >> how realistic do you think that option is, the lower end. >> the lower number? >> i just want you to be and we've talked about this all the time about being realistic as to the situation and realistic of all the possible outcomes. so, you know, whereas 15 to 20 would being a great, we've also talked about 28 and we've also talked about 40 and life. >> that's crazy. >> it is crazy. >> no way i'll accept a plea deal for 40. i might as well go to trial. that's crazy. i won't do that. like you say you have to be realistic. but i have to look at both sides. i have to be realistic and look at being hopeful and stuff. >> there's always hope but it's a slippery slope because you don't want to bash their hope or inner their hope but you have to balance it with the reality. >> hopefully if everything goes well because i can't do life.
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>> next day estrada leaves jail for the court hearing that will change his life. >> the victim's family they want notice do life. if i was in their position i could see where they are coming from. but i don't think i deserve life. >> just before he enters the courtroom estrada is summoned to a private meeting with his attorney where he presumably will learn his fate. moments later he has his answer. >> there's no deal today. they want to bring me to trial. i'm fine with that, you know. i guess i can't do anything about it, i have to accept the fact that i'm is going to trial. if i lose i end up getting probably life. >> estrada was 18 when he was arrested for this case.
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the same age as paul abdul wiggins when he first came to jail on an armed robbery charge. that was 31 years ago. and wiggins has been in and out of jail 40 times since then. but he says now he's finally ready to take advantage of the opportunity afforded him to do better. though she had some concerns about his muslim faith being a good fit inmate advocate dawn was able to place wiggins in a christian halfway house where he'll receive drug counseling, job training and life skills programs. >> today the lieutenant called me down and informed me that i was is going into the program and i should be leaving sometime next week. so i'm just hoping the program is right for me and do me some good because this ain't doing me nothing. i heard a lot about the program.
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i heard a few twice that went there they told me the program is good and can help me. so i need help. >> this is your first program all the years you've been going through us and coming through here this is the first time you're ready for a program. >> two of my greatest fears is me dying in prison, and my mother passing while i'm in here. i don't want that to ever happen. >> that's motivation. >> so, before i start ---ing? >> go ahead. go ahead, my man. >> got to be good. >> all right.
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. the guy you're looking for. >> stand by. >> srt. left! >> after a tip that a potentially violent inmate is plotting an escape, the special response team is called to action. >> trustees, that means you're supposed to be trust worthy much more so than a regular inmate.
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