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about the same length he had to tap in to close it out in 2012. he lined it up back then as well. >> i think you could see the tears in his eyes. >> watson wins another green jacket at augusta! he wasn't able to have this moment two years ago. little caleb had just been born a couple of weeks before the tournament and was adopted by bubba and angie. >> what a scene. bubba watson winning the masters. a northwest florida boy. what an emotional scene. a great weekend in augusta. willie geist, never would have

seen it coming. bubba watson getting emotional. >> he did it two years ago. remember two years ago when he won, his wife and that young boy right there, they had just adopted caleb. that's the little boy's name. he was 1-month-old at the time. so bubba's wife and caleb couldn't come to the masters. so they watched it on tv. this time caleb now 2 years old was the first one out on the green. we saw this little guy teeter out in his green shoes to meet his dad. it was just a great family scene at the end. bubba's won two masters in a row. he's welcomed verified company. there are only 17 of them ever. and he's got two now at this point and is playing incredibly wet. the jordan spieth from texas who was in the final group with bubba, he was okay. he just couldn't make a few putts on the back nine. a second place finish, 20 years old in your first masters.

pretty good. >> i couldn't do that. how old was i? 22? >> you missed the cut your first time. >> oh. yeah. man. man! >> i didn't want to bring it up. >> good morning. it's monday april the 14th. you guys have a good weekend? thomas, you have a good weekend in. >> big sports weekend transatlanticly. >> in which way? >> premier league soccer. >> oh, the premier league. >> as well as here in america. nba, soccer. >> we have got roger is going to be here. roger bennett coming. and this time he's angry. >> i went to nashville, tennessee. hung out with my friends at vanderbi vanderbilt. spring game was great. but this pales in comparison. i saw these tweets come through

from @joenbc last night. but you open the pictures and there's joe at coachella in the middle of 30,000 screaming fans. i assume they were there to see you. they were wearing their jean shorts and the flowers in their hair but you were at coachella. >> i was at coachella. it was incredible. we have wanted to go for a long time. yeah. we went there. it was an unbelievable scene. that's looking at a hangar with 30,000 people watching fat boy slim. absolutely unbelievable weekend. okay. there's the shocking band. you know who they are. mgmt. i love mgmt. i never thought they were going to be great on stage. i took that picture for kate. that's lorde. but there's joey scarborough. and there's lewis and joey. i want to show you this picture on the front of "the new york

times." a big coincidence right here. these are young women with flowers in their hair. lewis also had flowers in his hair all weekend. they were red. >> no surprise. so what's the scene like there? hear great things. >> it's actually a great scene. it's working out well. the problem is there's too many great bands to see. you can't see them all at the same time. so, yeah. really great scene. there was a dust storm on saturday night. they sent the advisories out. people were going around with bandannas and goggles. i didn't and i realized why you did at the end of the evening. so crazy stuff. also, a lot going on today. we've got a busy show. let's start though. let's talk about europe right now. ukraine's president is launching a large scale operation to retake government buildings in the country's east. military forces engaged in

shootouts with russian separatists and both sides are now claiming casualties. forcefully taken over buildings with military precisions in a lot of towns. meanwhile groups loyal to ukraine are scuffling with pro-russian groups. they are confronting moscow with a list of talk points accusing the kremlin of direct responsibility. >> let's go to foreign correspondent ammann moyheldin. describe what you're seeing on the ground for us. >> reporter: they gave an ultimatum to hand over their properties. they're doing the opposite. a short while ago, we got word that another police station has fallen into the hands of these pro-russian separatists

militias. they overtook it this morning with molotov cocktails, gunfire, and started beating some of the ukrainian police officers inside according to the sources that were on the ground. there's been a pattern of behavior that has developed over the past several days. they take control of these buildings, set up barricades, and then begin to control the roads in and out of the towns effectively bringing the entire territory under their control. now, these men are well equipped, well uniformed. they move with military precision. a lot of the people we've been speaking to say these are not ordinary local residents. but they appear to be well trained backed russian special forces. it's impossible for us to confirm that, but that is the sentiment of the ukrainian government and people here on the ground. the government had said it had given them a deadline before they launched a operation. there's no sign that operation is getting underway. there could be an attempt to do so in the coming hours. but as of know, the situation

remains tense because they face a dilemma. they could risk provoking the russian military and government to respond inside ukraine. if it does nothing, it will continue to lose some of these government buildings and territories in the eastern part of the country. we now have seven cities that have government buildings controlled by pro-russian separatists. >> i'll ask my next question bautz i think there's more to it. samantha power has said these are in fact military -- members of the military whether they're uniformed or not. is there a way for you to find out who's causing this trouble? putin will use it as a pretex as he did in crimea that these were just demonstrators and moscow has to go help them now. >> reporter: you know, what we've seen for ourselves is that these protests or these seizures

of buildings are not organic protests. you can see behind me donetsk is a lively city. it doesn't seem to be massive protests happening on the street level that are leading the the buildings being seized. what we are seeing in some cases, documented footage of very well trained men in uniforms, military uniforms with russian weapons wearing, you know, flat jackets, bulletproof vests, side arms, moving with precise military maneuvering around buildings and taking any control with force. once they do that, then we see the civilian side of these protests come in. and it seems to be working in tandem that one side goes in first. then you see the civilian protests or residents move in and put up the flags and banners of the russian government. that's what we've seen develop over the past several days. they don't know who is behind these well trained, precise movement of military forces.

>> ammann, keep us posted. thank you so much. other news now turning to the missing malaysian flight 370. searchers will now send out a sophisticated submarine to visually find the wreckage. they are deployed the unmanned bl bluefin-21. it's been six days since sounds were detected. the equipment sending out the signals may have now run out of battery life. they continue with planes and ships. an oil slick detected yesterday but the search of air and sea surface will end in two to three days. katy tur joins us from perth, australia, with more. katy, good morning. >> reporter: hey, there, willie. we're on day 38 of the search. they're going to go into a new phase right now. ocean shield has retracted the pinger locater and have deployed

bluefin-21. it's a big deal. it's going to take quite a while for them to figure out what it's seeing down there. two hours for it to get down to the bottom of the ocean floor. that's three miles down. then 16 hours for it to scan the floor, make a 3d map. two hours for it to come back up and four hours to analyze that data. that's a full day before they find out if it's seen anything. they're going to repeat that process over and over and over again. they say this is going to take probably weeks. the only bit of encouraging news that came out of the press conference today which was a downer press conference was that they saw an oil slick in the ocean down sea from where ocean shield has detected the pings. they've taken a sample of that to see if it's part of mh-370. so far no signs of wreckage or pings. now they've moved on to the second phase.

willie. >> thank bs. >> and the pings slowly -- you know, the pings now dying. now that they finally get the location. >> you're more than a month out now. batteries are likely dead. now you're going to have to visually go down and finding. oscar pistorius facing another day of tough questioning today. the former olympian is on the witness stand for the murder of reeva steenkamp, his girlfriend. he has struggled during the cross examination. the judge admonished him for conflicting testimony about when he turned off his security alarm. >> i'm not convinced about your answer now. i think you're trying to cover up for lies. and i'm not convinced. >> mr. pistorius, it's important that you should be all here when you're in that witness box. do you understand that?

>> i do, my lady. >> so if you are tired you must say so. it doesn't help to say it's not going to change. >> i'm sorry, my lady. i made a mistake with the way aanswered the question. >> he also broke down in tears again as he remembered the night. >> you're getting emotional. >> yes, i'm very emotional, my lady. >> why? >> because it's a difficult time for me to remember. >> but why would this question make you emotional? >> because this is a person i cared about. >> he claims he mistook steenkamp as a burglar and shot him. mike taibbi joins us from south africa. pistorius is having a difficult time on the stand. >> he certainly is, willie. more of that today.

another tearful meltdown after he was forced to recall exactly what he said in those seconds when he moved down the corridor to the bathroom and the seconds before he fired those four shots, those fatal shots that killed reeva steenkamp. he's like a fighter about to blow because of a succession of smaller but telling blows and sheer exhaustion. a judge again calling an adjournment when he broke down in tears. when he fired those four shots, and this is key, because pistorius has said all along it was an accidental shooting. so the prosecutor brings him down the corridor. he said what did you shout? he said he shouted to reeva to call the police and said for the burglar to get the blank out of the house. he said you yelled at reeva to get the blank out of your house because you had an argument. and then were you aiming for the bathroom door? he said no, he wasn't. he was not aiming at the door.

he said did you see the door handle move. he said no he didn't see it move. where was the gun? it was extended in front of me. so you were aiming at the door? finally pistorius said yes he was aiming at the door. not the gun was. he was. that seems to be an agreement. falling to earth because of belief of his own invinsability. he's a sad figure on the stand. barely automobile on the stand. and the prosecutor is going for the kill. >> nbc's mike taibbi in south africa this morning. look at the headlines? >> other news making headlines. a man believed to be a white supremacist opened fire at jewish centers in kansas city.

73-year-old frazier glennon cross jr. meanwhile, a vigil was held for the victims there. one woman made an unexpected appearance that left attendees in shock. >> i'm in shock, but i want you to know that i appreciate all of you being here. i'm the daughter of the gentleman who was killed and the mother of the son who was killed. and i want to tell you how much i appreciate you all being here. we all grieve in different ways, and i just wanted to tell people thank you. >> she is the daughter of the man who was lost. the mother of the 14-year-old boy who was lost. the grand dad was taking the grandson to this community center to try out for a singing talent competition that was

happening at the community center. so mindy losing both her dad and son and then showing up at that vigil to all those people who turned out there. heart breaking for them. the pittsburgh post gazette is reporting students of franklin regional high school will return to work. the building will be open on tuesday to students and their families who walk through the hallways there. teachers will return to work this morning. four victims remain in critical condition. from our parade of papers, me "washington post," a college professor in jerusalem is facing backlash for taking students to auschwitz to teach tolerance. the trip to poland comes as talks between them continue to unravel. the professor says he doesn't regret his decision. >> it's unbelievable. the guy is facing so much opposition back home just

because he was taking students, taking teenagers over to auschwitz. and anti-semitism is just amazing. >> i keep reading about this story. i just don't get it. i don't get why he's facing so much criticism. >> because there's denial that the holocaust ever happened. it's shocking. very revealing. next? >> "the new york times." we wanted to focus on this story where firefighters continue to fight fires that have killed 12 people and injured 500 others in chile. it started in a housing complex and spread quickly. with no water -- excuse me. there are no water or fire hydrants located throughout the city. 10,000 people have been evacuated from their homes. they're still trying to get a handle on that now. and to the telegraph now and pope francis. latest opportunity to lead by example.

the pope who has centered any papacy on the poor often breaks with tradition. yesterday he did so. he posed for selfies with young people from rio. he also drank tea passed to him by somebody in the crowd. >> don't drink the tea, man. >> you're back from coachella. don't drink the tea. maybe in st. peters square you can. but the pope sent out a tweet this morning. it was like 4:00 a.m. saying it's never too late to go to confession. start anew. >> so we have that. got to play that out. >> during the commercial breaks. >> right. the salt lake city tribune, it's getting easier for marijuana users to get their hands on products in colorado. pot vending machines are now in operation in avon this morning. the machines check a buyer's id. and then offers a variety of products. they include edibles, drinks, and the herb itself.

>> wow. >> today's the day. >> so did i miss "mad men" opening night last night? >> i have it sitting in my dvr. >> did you see it? >> you're not a "mad men" guy. >> it's on demand. i can't waste dvr space on "mad men" when it's on demand. >> i got you. he's got the system down. >> i do. >> and the yankees, man. you blew the sox away. rough weekend for us. >> yes. the old men. the scrappy little engine that could. it's like it's fighting its way back. >> coming back. >> good pitching all weekend. >> yeah. we'll see what happens. coming up, we've got a lot to talk about. we've got robert reich here. also former major league baseball pitcher jamie moyer. he's always great.

and comedian bob saget also here. coming up next, publics were on full display. kasey hunt is standing by. but first here's bill kairns with a check on the forecast on his birthday. bill, happy birthday, man. >> not bad. i couldn't keep up with the 30-year-olds. i'm happy to join 40. i can take most 40-year-olds. >> there you go. okay. >> what a beautiful weekend, joe. we really see jaw -- i mean, it was the warmest temperatures in six months for d.c. all the way through western new york. hopefully everyone enjoyed it. it's april. it's not going to last. you get one more day of it today. enjoy it. 73 in new york. 78 in philly. 77 in d.c. there's a chance in new york seeing snow flakes come tuesday night. in other words, it's going to get much colder in a hurry. that's snow right now through green bay and wisconsin.

earlier i counted 11 states it's snowing in. the cold is in the midwest and it's going to head east. chance of isolated tornadoes in louisiana, mississippi, alabama. i don't think we'll get a tornado outbreak, but just a few storms. and as far as the forecast highs go, look at chicago today. you were 69 yesterday. today 41, chance of some snow tonight. maybe even a coating to an inch. that's cold air. kansas city only at 40. as i mentioned, all of that heads to the east coast. tuesday is going to be a cold day. heavy rain. i would expect airport delays to be significant in the northeast corridor tuesday. wednesday's fine. monday's fine. but if you fly on tuesday, it could be one of those days it's going to take you awhile to get to your destination. new york city, another day in the 70s. what a weekend it was. you're watching "morning joe."

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professor,. and kasie hunt who's in new hampshire for the summit to feature possible candidates and contenders. kasie, i'm going to ask you what stood out in a second, but did anybody speak out against freedom? or were they all for freedom? >> everybody was -- >> they were for freedom? okay. check that off on all of them. now they go to the next round. >> ted cruz did say a live free or die motto would resonate with people in texas. >> what stood out to you there? >> this was a gathering for the types of candidates we wouldn't necessarily think would be the natural front runners in new hampshire. sort of the conservative side. even saw mike huckabee, people who would have a more evangelical message. there was little talks of those things. it was all nsa, common core. when jeb bush's name was mentioned, he was booed.

chris christie wasn't en invited. the one interesting thing is rand paul who is benefitting from an organization in the state that's leftover from when his father ran for president. the republican party has to broaden its message, he says. >> we need to be more bold with our message. but parts of our message have to reach out to people who haven't been hitting. who haven't been listening. the door's not going to open up to the african-american community or the hispanic community until we have something to offer. if you look at the war on drugs, three out of four people in prison are black or brown. but your kids and grand kids aren't perfect either. please don't come to your neighborhoods. you get a better lawyer. these are some injustices. we have people that are concerned about injustice. we've got to be concerned about people who may not be part of our group, may not be here today if we want to grow our message, if we want to grow our movement. and besides, we are the party of

justice. we need to be that party of justice. >> so how was rand paul? >> he was very well received. i'd say of everyone that spoke, he may have gotten the most enthusiastic. there were people standing in the back of the room when he talked. >> ted cruz, what response there? >> he got a good response at the summit. only a couple dozen people showed up. he did a couple of events and i think the turnout was lower than he's used to in texas. otherwise those who came to the summit, they weren't as excited about him here. >> what are you hearing up in new hampshire? >> those two and huckabee are not considered the strongest there, but they showed up. and you know showing up in new hampshire means quite a bit. i was surprised that huckabee who's i'm bullish on his chances if he runs, i'm surprised he's not dominating more. not really showing the kind of

superior skills he should be based on time of fox radio and having run before. these other guys, cruz and paul, continue to be electric stars even in new hampshire where they're not seen as natural fits. >> yeah. mike huckabee, i mean, this is not a religious state. new hampshire's one of the least -- if you look at the numbers, one of the least religious states in america. huckabee's message not going to resonate as much as in, say, iowa. >> he stayed away from the social red meat. he did hit on other hot button conservative issues like the nsa, like the common core. he also said that sometimes he's not sure whether or not there's more freedom in north korea than in the united states. >> i'm sorry, who said that? >> mike huckabee. as far as the freedom message is concerned. >> i love mike, but i know where he lives.

in north korea. did anybody say freedom died tonight? that's a good line. >> it would be a great line. >> freedom died tonight. i mean, how many times could freedom die in america? you don't have to overstate it. just say i don't like the legislation rather than comparing us to north korea. let's say he was a little off his game. there's a reason. because if you have 21st century's abraham lincoln, going to freak out. but he was up there. lincoln. how would you like to be next to that guy in the 1800s or back to our lincoln today. >> i think you're talking about donald j. trump. >> of course i am. >> jeb bush was the top of conversation. off the comment of act of love. here's donald trump on jeb bush and immigration. >> you know, i heard jeb bush

the other day. he was talking about people that come into this country illegally, they do it for love. and i said, say it again. i didn't get it. that's one i've never heard of before. i've heard money, i've heard this, i've heard sex. i've heard everything. the one thing i never heard of was love. i understand what he's saying. but, you know, it's out there. >> donald trump -- >> really? did he know that people risk their life in the desert crossing the border for sex? i didn't know that. >> yeah. 56% in a recent poll have obtained just for sex to america. it's an incredible number. incredible statistic. >> i'm sorry. >> yeah. that was a remarkable statement. yeah. very wise. >> professor, can you comment? >> i'm with you.

somehow. >> one other thing is i looked at your reporting. both ted cruz and rand paul almost talking not like president obama but bill de blasio talking about rich people. ted cruz says the rich and powerful, those who walk the corridors getting fat and happy under the obama economic agenda. sort of going populist. >> the two of them sounded more like elizabeth warren than hillary clinton does when we've heard her speak. and cruz sort of tied the president to the current levels of income inequality we're seeing. then tied it into the great depression and said our levels haven't been this bad since 1928. >> did it feel like the stakes were high? or too soon? >> it's still a little too soon. i mean, there's still sort of this hesitance nobody quite knows. none of these guys are willing to talk about if they're running or not. the context changes as soon as you step foot in the state. >> so willie, who is it that

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all right. let's do some sports. we told you about bubba watson winning the masters. here's some highlights of his battle with jordan spieth to win the jacket. fourth hole, spieth leading the tournament. got caught up in the bunker, but holes it out. what an incredible young player he is. eighth hole now. watson showing off his touch with this chip. he would birdie and this may have been where the tournament turned in his direction. same hole, spieth missing a short putt. he bogeyed there. next one bubba drops it. another bogey for spieth and that gives watson a two-shot lead. his tee shot gets there but then rolls back into the drink. he had to take a drop. and bubba's creativity coming up. smart thing to do is lay up from the pines. he drives over the water hazard.

saves par and remains up three. watson gets to enjoy his walk up 18. he taps in the par putt for the win. he says this one felt different than his victory two years ago. >> the first one for me, it's almost like i lucked into it. this one was a lot of hard work, dedication, and got back here. after giving away that jacket last year, i kind of wanted it back. told adam we should just keep switching back and forth. >> talking about adam scott that won last year. bubba watson is sharing the moment there with his son caleb, two years old, and all the fans there at augusta. the second jacket now for the 35-year-old bubba watson. how do you celebrate that title? if you're bubba watson, you go to waffle house. >> i love that, baby. >> #hashbrowns. #covered. >> covered. >> kored is the kind of -- oh you've never been to waffle

house. smothered, covered. you get whatever you want. >> only a yankee would ask that question. bubba watson, the amazing thing, this kid, just pure athletic prowess. >> my understanding is he's never really had a lesson. he obviously taught himself. could hit any shot. i love the fact he's just a people's guy. to end up at the waffle house, which i think i know the one he's been to. with tiger out, you need a guy like this winning. it's great for golf. >> it's funny too. these younger players now take it as a sport now. they're all in incredible shape. he doesn't do that. he's just sort of a thin guy. he goes out and bombs it. and spieth said after the tournament when he's driving like that, i'm at a disadvantage right away and he's difficult to beat. great champion. now for a little english premier soccer. liverpool and man city tied 2-2. 77th minute. liverpool with the throw in.

the defender whiffs on the clear. that's your game winner. they edge man city 3-2. what's the significance of this game? >> well, it's the most important match for liverpool in probably a decade. they've got a couple more matches. and, you know, owned by the red sox owners. and it's the same story of the sox last year. nobody expected this team to finish in the top five let alone take it. and they just beat a team that has a payroll bigger than most, you know, most countries. >> they're at the top of the table. >> they are. liverpool is. nobody would have believed that it's stunning. because again, it's just like the sox last year. nobody expected this to happen. liverpool hasn't won a championship even though they are the most traditional team in the league. they haven't won a championship since like 1989, 1990. >> this would be the year? >> this is big news. >> let's talk about those red sox. yankees wrapping up a four-game

series with boston in new york. yankees trailing 1-0. carlos beltran over the left field wall. yankees tack on other. they win 3-2 and take 3 out of 4 over boston. let's go back to the fourth where one fan just not that excited to be at the ballpark. just passed out cold. >> those seats cost $87,000. >> you regret that, don't you? >> expensive nap. >> and it's only the fourth inning. it's about 9:00 at night. . >> so what are the yankees doing right this year? >> they've got pitching. they struggled with their pitching last year. tanaka's been solid. c.c., they shored that up. they paid some money to get tanaka to come over here. now they're bringing new guys in. ellsbury, beltran finally hit his home run last night. so there are 150 games left in the season. we have no idea how this is going to turn out. >> good start. >> they find their way after a

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welcome back to "morning joe." mika has sent by wire -- >> they're coming in. >> it's come in, her must reads. not from the south of france. monaco this morning. >> oh, she's in monaco. she's gambling. >> i guess so. she must have gone over the border last night. got past the security guards this time. it was hard after what happened in '67. but they finally are letting her back in. >> wow. >> so she sent us her op-eds. with us now to talk about it former adviser to president george w. bush and cofounder of the no labels organization. mark mckinnon. said austin city limits is the best. >> come down. >> i heard it's remarkable stuff. why hilly versus jeb would be great for america. said no one in america, but mark

mckinnon. how jeb bush hasn't ron a campaign since 2002. give me the dynamics where we haven't won the presidency in the last two presidential elections? oh yeah. that dynamic. some conservatives call me a squish but it's us squishes that made it possible for a republican to be elected president the last time around. most of america, the people who create majorities and elect presidents in general elections, have not. clinton versus bush? count me in. that's -- again, not a lot of people saying that right now. you think it's a great idea? >> actually, when i talk to a lot of people, when they think about that matchup, they say not again. we don't need another succession in american politics. then they think about it and say you know what? that would be a great race to watch. it would be high road, substantive, well qualified candidates. the debates could be fantastic.

i think it'd be kind of post-partisan ironically. when i think about back to the mid-90s, for example, there's a lot of parallels here. gingrich had done a contract with america. then it sort of tea party like, then evolved to the government shutdown and monica and all of that very similar to recent activity where republicans suffered the consequences. and at that time in the mid-90s along came a governor in texas that started talking about immigration reform and education reform. which attracted conservative democrats and independents like me and millions of others in america to support the republican party. >> you also say hillary is post-partisan which sounds strange to many. >> well, you know, she said some remarkable things a week or two ago that really caught me attention adds a no labels guy. she's been through it all. she's seen the heat of it. and i think she's evolved past it. >> i tend to agree. it'd be great to have a -- we talked about this last week. just the bigness of the

conversation. certainly you're going to attract criticism from some of those. so how does jeb survive and thrive? hillary you can see her winning the primary easier than jeb. how does jeb navigate with powerful currents working against him? >> he's just got to show leadership like he's been doing. and just stand for what he stands for and talk about act of love. i thought that was a terrific, powerful moment. i like the fact he's not shrinking from it. now, it's going to be painful and miserable in the early primaries. >> is jeb up to that? >> well, he says he wants to run a happy race. >> but is he going to be joyful going across iowa having people shout at him? is he going to be happy knocking on doors and people calling him a rhino? >> it's going to be tough. no question about it. >> i'm just talking about jeb personally. >> that's the big question. it's going to be very difficult. but the crowded primary that splits up votes through -- if he could survive iowa, new

hampshire, and south carolina, then he takes -- say that gets split up among different candidates, then you've got florida, michigan, minnesota, super tuesday. he lines up really well. >> this sounds like the giuliani strategy. >> i think he's a lot different. >> remember his brother president george w. bush lost e there. bill clinton didn't win a primary until he got south in '92. so there's a way to do it. the question is will he have, to joe's point, will he be able to personally withstand it considering he wants to enjoy it. >> it's going to be a buzz saw. >> but the thing about this, too, quickly. what does it say his story looking back. you'd have bush one, clinton, bush two, obama, then either bush three or clinton two. >> clinton was in the government

at the time at the secretary of state. >> well, yeah. >> since '92, '88. >> barbara bush may have a pount. >> there's certainly that reflex. but for jeb if he's ever going to run, he should run when there's a clinton running. that way it equalizes the dynastic bag. >> we will see you in austin in the fall. >> headed up to new hampshire to spread the no labels national security message. >> all right. fantastic. >> and going to be a grandfather too. >> i am in a month. >> all right. boy or girl? >> a boy. sawyer. >> oh, my gosh. all right. well, congratulations. coming up later on "morning joe," former major league pitcher and cofounder of camp aaron, jamie moyer, joins us with his project. we'll be right bag. ♪

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♪ president obama this week signed a series of new executive orders intended to strengthen equal pay laws for women. those who support the measure say it's a step forward for women in the workplace while those who oppose it could be seen sunday nights on amc. it was announced thursday that health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius who oversaw the troubled launch of the affordable care act is resigning from office. sebelius says she's stepping down because she has so many things she wants to barely accomplish.

>> kim jong-un this week was re-elected as leader of north korea winning 100% of the vote. easily defeating his challenger or else. during a speech hillary clinton was giving in las vegas, a female protester threw a shoe at her. it's amazing they were able to identify her considering how many ladies in vegas are walking around with one shoe on. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it was inevitable. >> yeah. >> it was inevitable. you had the first wave of -- just like coachella, the first wave where the founder starts it and almost goes bankrupt. then you have the other shoe always falls. well, it has here. we knew this was going to happen. i guess people are now turning places in brothels.

>>. >> if you don't know air bnb. rent out your apartment. >> while the apartments sit empty. >> don't do it. yeah. make your apartment work for you. stop working for your apartment. you said one guy left a suitcase. >> that's right. pimps are using it now for hookers. and there was one a few weeks ago in chelsea. a guy rents out the place, 300 bucks for a night. leaves. realizes he forgot something in his apartment. comes back later and there's a massive orgy underway in his apartment. so air bnb agreed to pay for all the damage, whatever that was, put him up in a hotel. >> lot of lysol. >> they're working out the kinks and flaws. >> people coming over the border to rent apartments. >> exactly. exactly. that's what donald trump was talking about. here to talk about the economics of air bnb and donald trump's suggestion that people cross the border for sex, the director of

the earth institute at columbia university, professor jeffrey sacks. and also associate editor for "the washington post" david ignatius. also in washington, nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent and host andrea mitchell. thanks for being with us. let's go straight to ukraine. ukraine's president is launching an effort to retake buildings in the country's east. both sides are claimi ining casualties. meanwhile groups loyal to ukraine are scuffling in the streets with pro-russian groups. the state department is confronting with moscow with a list of talking points accusing the kremlin of direct responsibility. these certainly don't seem to be locals that are taking over some

of these ukrainian institutions. the u.s. is claiming armed russian operatives have been arrested in ukraine and are trying to fuel the unrest. last night at russia's request, it was mostly filled with finger pointing over the escalation. >> we know who is behind this. indeed the only entity in the area capable of these coordinated military actions is russia. the synchronized surgical seizure of buildings yesterday occurred in towns along the main highway followed by armed road blocks almost as if a coordinated barrier was being formed between kiev and the major eastern cities. >> david ignatius, what options does this president and allies have if we have an escalation, if putin responds to ukraine's response to clear provocation from russia. >> u.s. response militarily is

limited. there's no clear thought they will. instead the u.s. is engaged in jawboning. samantha power made her statements over the weekend at the u.n. that she quoted william hague, the british foreign secretary said the same thing today. essentially the u.s. is a saying these are coordinated covert action moves by russia in these cities of eastern ukraine. the ukrainians have started fighting back sending commandos in monday to clear one of the towns. but the ukrainian forces are very limited. you'd have to say that the russian strategy seems to take this right up to the edge of civil war which to look at the photographs we're approaching almost daring the government in kiev to back down and bargain some power sharing agreement that will put the russians in a

much stronger position. but this will play out over the next week, i think, in a way that will end up creating some kind of new framework for eastern ukraine. >> andrea, does the state department worry that you actually have putin baiting the ukrainians to bring military forces in as an excuse for him to then bring russian troops into the entire country? >> that is exactly right. and as david's newspaper, "the washington post" editorialized this morning, you can put some of this blame as to the next step of russian aggression there. squarely on the backs of the g7. the g7 finance ministers and leaders were in washington for the world bank imf meetings last week, and they blinked. they did nothing. there was a call from president obama to angela merkel and the germans and the others who rely so heavily on russian energy are not willing to take russia on. so russia took a look at the western alliance here in washington under direct

influence of the united states and all the other leaders. and they did nothing. no statement, nothing coming out of the finance ministers. it's extraordinary. so now samantha powers and others, what else they could do is go on television and go to the u.n. security council and say there will be consequences. but what are the consequences? these sanctions have not been ramped up to the extent and they probably thought they should take it easy until this big four-way meeting in geneva this week where finally russia was going to sit down with ukrainians and the u.s. but that meeting may not even take place now. >> dr. sacks, you just got back from ukraine. what's the word on the ground where this is headed? we heard a warning to russia that it will use force if provoked further. do you get the sense that's a deterrent at all or encouragement for putin to go in and fight? >> one backdrop to this is ukraine has scheduled

presidential elections for the end of may. so one thought is this is russia's attempt to generally destabilize the country but also to block those elections which could make very clear that there would be a pro-western government in place. and there's no doubt that powers is correct. this is a direct russian provocation. it's direct destabilization. it's extraordinarily dangerous. and there is no easy option for the west. >> what's their best option? >> i think it is not the case that western powers including the u.s. and europe are simply standing by. there's a tremendous amount of back channel discussion right now. but there is every possibility that russia takes a dramatic military action in eastern ukraine. >> and then what's the response? >> i think the response would be almost complete economic

sanctions and a cutoff of gas and a dramatic escalation of the economic war which by the way would be very harsh on russia, but also hard on europe. i don't think it's the case, by the way, that europe is vacillating and so forth. >> why no statement this weekend? why complete silence when wouldn't it have been a great -- as andrea said, wouldn't it have sent a great message to putin leaders stand shoulder to shoulder and warn putin? >> my guess is one doesn't need public diplomacy to send that message. i don't know, but my guess is that's not really what's going on right now. what's going on right now is that we are heading for a major economic closure. which in the long-term would be quite devastating for russia, dangerous for europe and the

world economy. but i think it's on it's way right now. because putin doesn't seem likely to stop this. >> david at the beginning of this crisis there was a lot of debate whether putin showed weakness or strength. what do you know about the divisions within the administration about what putin is likely to do next and what can be done by the united states to try to counteract it? >> i think increasingly the view of the u.s. government is the one that was expressed by samantha power, our u.n. ambassador. which is that russia is using the tools of covert action. they're using intelligence tactics to try to create destabilization in ukraine in the hope of undermining the authority of the central government of kiev. the view is that a military invasion across the border of this army of 40 or 50,000 russian soldiers is less likely. i do think we're coming to the point, as has been said, where a

decision about a much greater sanctions regime is going to be necessary. if the russians effectively try to break off eastern ukraine either through overt military action or more of what they're doing now. more of the salami tactics taking out these city biluildin, there will have to be a much stronger response. i just returned from a few days in europe. i found the europeans really uneasy about the idea of enlisting in ukraine's cause. europe has had trouble assimilating its other new members. bulgaria, romania, uneasy members of the european union. the thought they would extend their arms to yet another country at a time when they're so uneasy i think is a tough one. >> so andrea mitchell, i'm going to ask you this and then david chime in if you want to. i always say democratic candidates should go around with

an arm band that should say wwbd, what would bubba do. i always ask a question when everybody wrings their hands saying there's nothing we can do. saying i wonder what george h.w. bush would do with secretary of state james baker. would they sit idly by and allow a conference to be held in washington, d.c. without furiously working behind the scenes and making a public statement that cornered vladimir putin. the hand wringing from washington, d.c. these days saying there's just nothing we can do flies in the face of history. there's a tremendous amount that the president can do. do you not find it hard to believe that -- i just can't imagine george h.w. bush telling james baker you just kind of fly across europe and do whatever you think works for you and i'll say very little and lead from behind. this is terribly frustrating.

>> well, john kerry and lavrov finally worked out this agreement obviously with putin's blessing that they will meet with the ukrainians for the first time. that was the prize, the media prize at least. it's this thursday in geneva. looking toward that, they kept thinking that they would keep the rhetoric down. now the russians are even today talking about possibly not attending that meeting. so that may not even happen. and why they have been some hanging back and working behind the scenes, you can see how aggressive russia has been the last two or three days. it's clear the state department put out a statement last night. the sequel to crimea. that is a very weak response. i think samantha power was very strong, indeed, at the u.n. last night. >> she was. >> she's their best public spokesperson right now. kerry working it behind the scenes. but i think that the financial leaders have to be a lot tougher and they've got to be tougher with merkel. >> are we helpless, david

ignatius? >> our options are limited. i do think the utility of tough statements and warnings at this point is limited. i think if there's one thing this president's learned, it's making strong statements, drawing red lines without having either the political or the military muscle to back it up is a mistake. >> so you're saying he should not make a statement today. >> what i'm saying is if he decides that there's going to be a coordinated, prolonged response to what's happening in ukraine, we need a strategy for the next five years, not the next five days. that's what the president should be working on. i would just note that russian reporters have been calling me saying what about the visit of cia director john brennan to kiev over the weekend? i have no idea. i received three russian press calls asking me about this. there's no confirmation it was noted in u.s. newspapers as well. but that's -- you know, that's

the kind of utility right now. >> all right. some domestic news. andrea mitchell's interview with kathleen sebelius making news. in her first television interview since stepping down, she told andrea the website had critical failures and the writing was on the wall it was time for her to go. >> there was no question and i've said this many times, that the launch of the website was terribly flawed and terribly difficult. the good news is we said it would be fixed in eight weeks. it was fixed in eight weeks. but clearly the estimate it was ready to go october 1st was just flatout wrong. the end of open enrollment was a logical time to leave. there is never a good time.

the president and i began to talk, you know, after the first of the year. i went back to him in early march and said, you know, i'm really optimistic we're going to meet the targets. the enrollment is going well. the site is working well. i think once we finish this first chapter, you really should begin to look for the next secretary who can be here through the end of your term. >> did he try to talk you out of it? >> well, i made it pretty clear that wasn't an option to stay on. i thought it was fair to other -- commit to january of 2015 or get a competent leader. >> there's been reporting in the last few weeks and months that the white house had given up on secretary sebelius long ago when the website wasn't working well. they didn't want to get rid of her at the time, but that the writing was on the wall at that moment. what is your reporting telling you about how long ago this decision was made? >> i think that the decision was

made within the last couple of months that they needed to do something. jeff zients came in. they did bring in the right tech people to fix the website. they were looking for an exit strategy. i asked her point blank whether she was pushed or jumped and that was her answer. she talked around it. clearly they had been talking about the timing and once they reached that 7.1 million. and that's only enrollees. we don't know how many are going to pay up. there are a lot of hurdles to come. >> all right. andrea mitchell, thank you so much. who do you have on today? >> we'll be talking a lot about ukraine. ayman mohyeldin. and also we're focusing on boston today. boston strong. >> david ignatius, what are you working on right now other than that brennan story in kiev? >> well, i'm going to try to

find out whether brennan took that trip. i do want to look at what the fundamentals are of the ukraine situation. what power does each side have here really. because this one ain't going away. >> all right, david. thank you so much. we always appreciate you being here. can't wait to read your new novel. jeffrey sachs, before you go, i need to show you this clip and talk the economics of it. here's donald trump. >> you know, i heard jeb bush the other day, and he was talking about people that come into this country illegally, they do it for love. and i said, say it again i didn't get -- that's one i've never heard of before. i've heard a lot. i've heard money, i've heard this, i've heard sex, i've heard everything. the one thing i never heard of was love. i understand what he's saying, but, you know, it's out there. >> jeffrey, what is the earth institute's anl alysanalysis?

>> this is -- we'll have to do more research. this is a new one. we'll get to it this morning. >> maybe he's talking about those taking private jets to dallas. >> we'll look into it. i'll report back. >> all right, jeffrey sachs. and we'll have david ignatius reporting back on whether brennan went to kiev or not. still ahead, jamie moyer and roger bennett are going to be joining us. can't wait for that. and next, robert reich. and also fortune magazine's deputy managing editor stephanie mehta are here. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you outlive your money?

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secretary of public policy the university at berkeley, robert meach meachem. also with us, fortune magazine deputy managing editor stephanie mehta. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> i just saw a picture of you, hilla hillary, bill, and clarence thomas all of you went to law school. >> we were in the same series of classes. he was one class in advance of us. and hillary rodham in those days was a class behind bill clinton and i. but we were all in the same classes together. >> and you dated hillary, right? >> well, look. >> is this like bill dating janis joplin? >> this is undergraduate days. i was president of my sophomore class. she was president of her freshman class. we had a presidential summit. >> it was a mixer. >> we had a presidential summit.

that's all it was. >> is she going to be our next president? >> i think there's a very, very good chance. the next two and a half years are going to be tough because she's got to manage the longest front runnerhood status in history. but she has the best campaign manager anybody's had. >> she does. mark mckinnon was here and said he would be post-partisan. because they've all been beaten up enough to understand what's going on in washington now doesn't work. but i asked him and i'll ask you as obviously a friend of the clintons for a very long time, what does this say about the country if we go from having bush 41 to clinton to bush 34 to obama to either bush 45 or clinton two? >> historians might point to adams and joint quincy adams.

there are always political dynasties in america in terms of brand names. we build up trust. these aren't the exact same people. >> doesn't cause you concern? >> it would if this were the pattern in america in terms of wealth and power generally. i am worried about that quite frankly. we all should be worried about that. >> so you've been worried about the middle class, the working class for a long time. i remember buying the book you wrote i guess in the late '80s. >> you're dating yourself, joe. >> we were all much younger then. but how's the middle class doing now? how's the working class doing right now? >> i think there's a great deal of frustration. obviously unemployment is better than it was, but you have a huge number of people who have left the labor force. and if you look at the labor participation rate, that is the percentage of people who were of working age, were employed. we're down to a 35-year low. >> yeah. >> and that's a tremendous problem. and meanwhile you've got the

median household income continues to drop adjusted for inflation. add them together and the middle class is under huge stress. >> and stephanie, obviously income inequality continues to explode. average wages have been going down i think every year in real terms since 1973. >> yeah. one of my favorite statistics is that the minimum wage in 1968 was $1.60 which translated to $10.75 in 2013 terms. so, you know, we were doing better in 1968 than we are now and the minimum wage is $9 and change. so it's really putting pressure on working class families. a greater percentage of overall wealth is coming from dividends and capital gains. those are two areas where the average working class family is just not participating. >> robert, you look at the boom in the late 90s. you look at the boom -- >> you're talking about the clinton years.

>> in the clinton years, yeah. but a lot of that was fueled in the late '90s by tech stocks, tech speculation. then housing stocks, housing speculation. over the past 20, 30 years, not stable growth in this economy. booms and busts. >> going back to what stephanie just said, the middle class has been stagnating. in fact, i was talking to a ceo not long ago who said he is worried about the future of his sales because there's not a enough purchasing power in the middle class to continue to generate the kind of sales he needs. we're going to hear more and more from business people who are worried about widening inequality. 75% of the gains from the economy are going to the top 1% which is what it's been since the start of the recovery. >> i saw a stat a couple weeks ago that something like 45% of the spending in this recovery is coming from the top 1%. which i'm not saying that's a

positive for the 1%. it's a great concern. it's this continuing hollowed out of the middle class. >> and just huge economic lift from a huge amount of people. secretary reich would like to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. how much -- what would the real world effect if it jumped up to $15? what would be the negative effects? >> you always hear from small business owners. you hear from a lot of people in corporate world that that would put pressure on their ability to hire? >> is it true? >> i don't think it's necessarily true in every case. if you look at what's happening -- and you raised the specter of technology. technology has had a very negative impact on labor in some ways. because companies are using tech knowledge to replace people who used to do manual tasks. in some cases the efficiencies have been great. but that's going to bottom lines.

that has not been going to reinvest in new projects and new services that, you know, then in turn employ people. >> in fact, just building on that. i happen to agree with you. i don't know if i'm at 15 yet, but i'm in agreement where you want to go. this alone we've discussed on this show won't solve all of these issues and reconcile thee tensions that economist -- exist in the economy. what else can we do in this? >> i think we've got to expand the earned income tax credit. every time i use those words, everybody's eyes glaze over. but it's an important program which is a wage subsidy for people. if you do those two things, you're getting at least some movement on the problem. but we've also got to spread ownership. george w. bush and others have

talked about the ownership society. we do have a spread seriously ownership because if most of the gains are coming from stock gains the whole country ought to be part of that. >> robert reich, it's always great to see you. we'll see you out in berkeley soon. stephanie, thank you so much. we appreciate it. you can catch a documentary featuring inequality for all on netflix, itunes, and dvd. thanks so much. the latest issue of fortune magazine explains how whole foods is taking over america. coming up, former major league pitcher jamie moyer with his new hbo special on how he's helping kids through challenging times. also roger bennett coming up again on "morning joe" when we return.

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>> my name is nicole. i'm seven years old. my mom died because a bad guy shoot her with a gun. >> so how many of you guys is this the first time you've sat in a group of people your age and told someone? >> wow. what an emotional and heavy burden we see these children sharing in this film. that's a clip from "one last hug: three days at grief camp." here is the cofounder of the grief camp and moyer foundation, jamie moyer. that's one clip of the documentary tonight on hbo. what started camp aaron? >> karen and i were involved with the grief camp and moved to the west does as an active player. and were trying to seek out that

type of an organization. couldn't find anything, so we created our own. and we met erin as a teenager. and unfortunately she passed. we asked her family for their wishes to use her name. that's how we came up with camp erin. >> watching that clip there, y jam jamie, you get a sense these kids are for the first time in a community talking about these things. tell us some of the results you may have seen. >> great question. when these kids go through these tragedies, they're at a loss. when they get back into mainstream life at school and all that, they now all of a sudden feel out of place and different. this allows them to come to a camp where everybody is dealing with a loss. it creates comfortability, they have fun. there's traditional camp activities but there's grief activities intertwined in. there's professional grief counselors there as well.

you see it's amazing in a three-day period the impact this camp can have with these kids amongst each other. >> people who watch that clip are going to be moved and watch tonight on hbo are going to be moved. what can they do if they want to help? >> go to moyer foundation.org. we have a toll free number people can call to today if they want to help or know children that need the help. please reach out. really enjoy the movie. you're going to need some tissues to get through this documentary. but it's a great documentary. and new york life has been a big part of this working with us with our foundation but supporting what we're doing. >> jamie, tell me. you had said you actually sought a camp out i guess on the west coast after you went to a new team. what first attracted you and karen to this concept? >> well, like you said, we are involved with the camp in the midwest and saw the value of it.

we have eight of our own children. and seeing how this camp was helping children who were dealing with a loss and a lot of these kids end up falling between the cracks. the goal is to keep them from falling between the cracks, remembering their loved ones in a positive way. >> and that's the important thing, moving forward. actually having other kids who've been through the same thing instead of just going to school every day, isolated, feeling alone. >> exactly. >> while they see all of their other friends run out to the school bus or run out to the cars with their mom and dad hugging them. >> it's okay to share. it's okay to cry. it's okay to grieve. but you learn at camp we're teaching them coping skills. and ways to deal with their loss. and chase their dreams, chase their goals. along with their loved ones who they've lost. >> i can imagine three days really does make all the difference in the world for a lot of these kids. >> you'd be amazed if you witness this camp.

>> i'm going to witness it tonight on hbo at 8:00. i'm so glad hbo has stepped up and is doing this too. "one last hug" tonight. 8:00 p.m. on hbo. jamie, thank you so much. we love having you here. come back. still ahead, who has power and influence to change the world? the answer to that question next. ♪

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chelsea clinton on set while the cameras were off. and we all said the same thing. which is this is a young woman who has been raised in the most extraordinary of circumstances. and nothing -- i've never heard anything but wonderful things about this woman. people that have known her say it is remarkable that she has grown up in the hot hos that she's grown up in and that she is -- >> she comes across as being a sort of regular person. >> such a great person. >> i find her a fascinating character. most of us we get to a certain age, we sort of distance ourselves from our parents. you know? you try to develop your own identity. and i think chelsea did that as a young adult in the early part of her adulthood. she went to stanford to get as far from d.c. as possible. she went into the consulting business. she went to, you know, to work in the investment world. and then she decided to go back into the family business for the

clintons. the clinton foundation which now bears her name. >> why is she on the cover of "fast company"? >> i think she represents a next generation. and i think her story has not really been told about what she is trying to change in the world of philanthropy and development. the way the generation looks at data and technology. >> that was my question. i wasn't being rude there. i was just saying how does she fit the model of your magazine? the tease she's got a plan to change the world. what's the plan? >> the plan is how data and technology can be used to change the worlds of philanthropy and social development in a different kind of way. it's an interesting dilemma she's in at the clinton foundation. because if she is too aggressive about saying the things were run there before weren't appropriate or weren't optimal, that doesn't reflect well on her parents. so there's a delicate dance that's being done in there. at the same time the organization has grown a lot and

she is trying to add more rigor to the impact that it has. and a more entrepreneurial spirit as the place has grown much larger. >> explain her job. we know her as first daughter chelsea clinton growing up in an extremely beneficial set of circumstances. but what is her job title? what is she doing now? >> her name now is on the clinton foundation. her title is vice chair. she is in some ways the most active member in the family, she's the one most involved who people call by her first name opposed to her title nap is what happens in that organization. and the clinton foundation has, i think eight or nine different ceos. it's got a lot of arms. her job is to deal with communication across all that. she's got personal interest in

certain areas like child health and other things she's trying to push through. >> one of the big parts of the clinton foundation is fund raising. >> yes. >> how is she at that? >> i don't think that's her core job. i think that's something her parents and her dad does do quite well and primarily strongly. you know, i think the conversations we had and one of the things that was most interesting was talking to her about what her political aspirations might be which is something that she has been very coy about. mostly said she's not particularly interested in that. the answer she gave us was fairly nuance. what she said was she is comfortable with her elected representatives right now. and as long as she's comfortable with her elected representatives, there's no need for her to go and do something else. if that were to change, she might look at things differently. but she was not pushing that as an agenda. >> so you're one of the people that i know that you had spent

some time with chelsea. you say he's a wonderful person. >> i think the characterizations this morning are all accurate. i think she's -- even the more we get to know her the more we're going to like her. the question i have is what people would have about her mother's plans of the next few years. if her mother runs for president, would she play an active role? will she play more of a role in helping the mechanics of the campaign? did you get a sense of that? >> sometimes kids and their parents start to not get along as they get older. there's no sense of that here. she is supportive of the efforts her parents are involved in. if her mother decides to run, it would be shocking for her not to be more involved and active in that. exactly how that would work out, that's the same as the other plans around hillary's future. up in the air. >> so let me ask you quickly. you guys get into the secret lab. >> the secret lab. >> i got my google glasses. i'm going to wear them. when i put them on, strap them

on what am i going to find out? >> hover boards, you know, like -- >> do they have hover boards? >> they got space elevators and all kinds of things going on. >> it's like the jetsons. >> it is. they are trying things that are crazy and in some ways hoping to fail. and in the process they're learning new things. that's what google glass is all about. >> can they teleport? >> not yet. but they're hoping. >> all right, bob. thank you. great issue. we're going to to be checking out the latest issue of "fast company." thank you so much. coming up next, we've been waiting a long time for this. the "morning joe" football frenzy. liverpool in the english premier league. and roger bennett makes his return to the table. kids, when you hear the sex pistoles coming back in, time to run to your screen. we'll be right back. ♪ cars are driven by people. they're why we innovate.

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>> one, two of those teams are fueled by money. >> i can't believe an everton fan says sea biscuit in cleats but they are. >> this is six minutes into the game, a game that many have said will decide the title. >> a teen-ager. >> manchester city got better within 20 minutes. >> right after gerard almost put one in the back of the net. >> is there a more scary looking man, whose hobby is ethnic cleansing? he's got the heart, tied up the

game. liverpool fans, city came roaring back. look at this, man. david silva -- >> oh! >> i cannot believe it! how did silva miss that in. >> titles are won and lost on thin margins. >> oh! >> slicing of the ball. >> that's an amazing goal. >> instinctive. look at this. >> by the way, i think he's the glue that holds them together. when he came, i mean, he basically filled a hole since alonso left.

>> very move at the end of the match. >> this was the 25th anniversary of the hill where 96 of their fans died at a football match. you realize why the english premier league is taking off in america the way it is. it makes you feel emotions that i can't feel in every day life. >> stevie g lost a relative. >> it's a tragedy english football has never recovered from. when you're in liverpool as we've been, you feel it every day. >> some admission from the government that there was a cover-up. just stunning. chelsea, a lot of chelsea fans in america. if chelsea wins out, they're the champions, if liverpool winning

out, they're the champions, two weeks from now at anfield. >> this is the most watched sports league in the world, that is finally taking off in fine style in this country, especially among the graphic 12 to 27-year-old. if chelsea win, they are a lock. >> i have to jinx the other side. everton, they're in fourth place, you guys. might go to the champions league. how you are feeling? >> they are the roger clintons of liverpool, bill. i do not like to talk about them. >> other teams are run by evens, they are run by the owner of the team, they are running on fumes.

don't talk about it. don't jinx it. >> the two best teams are both mercyside. >> they're incredibly positive, incredibly optimistic and sometimes that brings truly courageous football and sometimes it brings naivety. . >> i've been wanting you to take me to your momenttown, you have to go with me two weeks from now to chelsea. >> we have to get our highlights for fantasy island. >> we have liver fool jerseys

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♪ i'm feeling rough >> good morning. take a live look at new york city. with us on set we have willie, thomas and mark halperin. >> so last night watching the masters, these tweets start coming through from @joenbc.

then you open the photo and there's joe at coachella. >> yeah, joey scarborough and i have wanted to go for a long time. that's a hangar with 30,000 people watching fat boy slim. there's the boys, i love mgmt, too. there's joey scarborough. i got to show you, though. there's louis and joe. i want to show you this picture on the front of the "new york times." these are young women with flowers in their hair. louis also had flowers in his air all weekend.

>> not surprised. let's be honest. >> what's the scene like there? i've never been to coachella. >> it's a great scene. their biggest problem is there are too many great bands to see. you just can't see them all at the same time. there was a dust storm on saturday night, they sent the advisories out, people were going around with the bandannas and goggles. i of course didn't. i inhale all the sand. pretty crazy stuff. we've had a very busy show. let's talk about europe right now. ukraine's president is launching a large-scale operation to retake government buildings in the country's east. military forces engaged in shoot-outs with russian separatists and both sides of claiming victories.

meanwhile groups loyal to ukraine are scuffling in the streets with pro-russian groups. this scene is getting ugly. the u.s. is accusing the kremlin of direct responsibility. >> let's go to one of the center of the unrest in eastern ukraine. describe what you're seeing on the ground for us. >> reporter: good morning, guys. the ukrainian government gave an ultimatum to the separatists to lay down their weapons and hand over the properties and they are doing just the opposite. they stormed a police station about 45 miles from where we are. they overtook it this morning with molotov cocktails, gun fire and started beating some of the ukraine police officers inside. there's been a pattern of

behavior that has developed, they they take control of the building, then take control of the roads of the town, bringing the areand control. they're well equipped, they move with military precision. a lot of people say these are not ordinary local residents but appear to be well-trained, backed special forces. that's the sentiment growing by the ukrainian government. the ukrainian government said they had a deadline before they launched a military operation. but as of now, the situation remains quench. if it does move in with force, it could risk provoking the russian military to

reresponsibility. we now have seven cities that have government buildings controlled by pro separatist militias. >> the united states government, samantha power in particular, has said these are not pro-russia demonstrators causing the unrest in ukraine. have there any way for you, is there any way to find out exact sli who is causing this trouble? >> well, you know, what we've seen for ouf sefs is that these protests are these seizures of buildings are not organic protests. can you see this is a lively city, people are going to work.

what we are seeing in some cases documented footage of very well traend men in uniforms, military uniforms with russian weapons wearing, you know, flap jackets, weapons, moving around buildings and taking it with force. once they do that, then we see the protests go in. you and they move in and put up the flags of the government. that is a concern, that they doesn't know who exactly is behind the seizures.

>> crews are deploying the unmanned blue fin 21, now that they are no longer searching for black box penings. it's been six days since they've heard a signal. the black baches may have run out of battery life. an oil slick detected yesterday and katy tur joins us from perth, australia. >> "ocean shield" has detracted their pinger and they will use their submersible. it will teak two hours to get down to the bottom of the ocean. it's three miles down and it

will take three hours to map it out and it will take another two hours to come back up and four hours to retrieve the data. that i say they're saying this is going to take possibly weeks. they reported they saw an oil slick, they're going to analyze is to see if it's part of 370. >> that's a grueling poses now, just having an unmanned vehicle crawl along the bottom floor. >> and the ping is now dying now that you this get the location. >> batteries are likely dead and

you're going to have to visually go down and find it. >> oscar pistorius, the second week that he's on the witness stand. the judge add monday eshd him friday about conflicting testimony about when he turned off his security alarm. >> i'm not convinced about your answer now. i think that you're trying to cover up for lies and i'm not convinced. >> mr. pistorius, it's important that you should be all here when you are in that witness box. do you understand that? >> i do, my lady. >> if you are tired and the reason you're making all these mistakes because you're tired, you must say so. it doesn't help to say it's not going to change.

>> i understand, my lady. i am sorry, my lady, but i made a mistake with the way i answered the question. >> pistorius broke down in tears again when he talked about the night he shot steenkamp. >> you're getting emotional. >> yes, i'm getting emotional. >> why would this question make you emotional? >> because i lost the person i cared about. >> he says he mistook her for a burglar. having a very difficult time on the stand. >> reporter: he certainly is. when he's forced to recall the seconds before his moved town to

find reeva steenkamp. the prosecutor now has him at that moment of truth, when he fired those four shots and this is key because pistorius has said all along it was an accidental shooting. so the prosecutor brings him down the corridor. he said he shouted to reeva to call the police, shouted to the intruder to get the blank out of my house. he said, no, you said to reeva to get the blank out of the house because you had had an argument with her. what about the four shots, were you aiming at the bathroom door? he said, no. he said not the gun was aiming at the door, he was.

pistorius is about to fall. the papers have been playing this like a greek tragedy, flying too close to the sun and falling to earth because of hubris and invinceability. >> it's very dramatic. he's facing a very tough prosecutor. >> three people are dead after a man believed to be a white supremacist opened fire at jewish centers. the shooter is thought to be a former grand dragon at the kkk. one woman made an unexpected appearance that left all the attendees in shock. take a look. >> i'm in shock but i you want

to know that i appreciate all you being here. i'm the daughter of the gentleman that was killed and i'm the mother of the son who was killed. and i want to tell you how much i appreciate you all being here. there's going to be a vigil. we all grieve in different ways and i just wanted to tell people thank you. >> just to make sure could you hear what people are saying here, she is the daughter of the man lost, the mother of the 4-year-old boy who was lost. the grandfather was taking him to an event. and it's just heart breaking for her. >> and in pennsylvania, the

building is no longer being treated as crime scene. teachers will return to work this morning. four victims remain in critical condition. from you're parade of papers, "the washington post," a college professor in east jerusalem is facing backlash for taking 27 students to auschwitz to teach a lesson in tolerance. the trip to poland comes as peace talks continue to unravel. the professor says he doesn't regret the decision. >> it's unbelievable. he faces so much opposition because he was taking so many students over to auschwitz. the anti-semitism is extraordinary. >> keep reading about this story pip just doesn't get it, why he's facing that much criticism. >> because there's denial that

the holocaust ever happened. >> the "new york times." firefighters continue to fight devastating wildfires that have injured 500 in chile. the fire began next to a ravine and a fire housing have had to be evacuated from their homes. they're still trying to get a control and for telegraph and for bothth both fran 'tis, the speaking to the catholics in saint peters square. and yesterday he did to so, he posed for selfies with young people from rio.

>> don't drink the tea! >> you're back from coachella don't drink the tea it's never too late to go to confession, start anew. >> so, willie, watch me across the street. it's getting easier for marijuana users to get their hands on the product in colorado. pot avon machines do make sure they chang the purchaser's age and they include other things as well. >> and then bob sagget jones us with his new book "dirty daddy o ". and kasie hunt is next with a

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we're having a national debate right now in which direction the country we should go. new hampshire is having a debate and i'm going to participate in that debate. >> that's ted cruz speaking in new hampshire over the weekend. with us is visiting professor from nyu, harold ford, how you doing, brother? >> i'm good. >> and kasie hunt who was in new hampshire. i'm going to ask you what stood out in a second. first of all, did anybody speak out against freedom at the freedom summit or were they for

freedom? >> everybody was on the freedom train. >> check that off on all of them. now they go to the next round. >> what stood out for you there? >> this was a gathering for the types of candidates we wouldn't think would be the natural front-runners in new hampshire. we had ted cruz, donald trump, typically people who would have a more evangelical message. it was all nsa, common core. when jeb bush's name was mentioned, he was booed. chris christie wasn't even invited. the one interesting one is rand paul. >> we need to be more bold with our message but parts of our

message has to reach out to those who haven't been listening. the door is not going to open up to the african-american community or hispanic community until we have something to offer. your neighbors aren't perfect either. the police don't come to your neighborhood, you great better lawyer. these are some injustices. we have to be concerned about people who may not be here today if we want to grow our party. we are the party of justice. we shouldn't let the democrats say, oh, we care about people, we need to be the party of justice. >> how how was rand -- >> there was a loot of interest. he got a good response who and

think the turnout was probably a little lower than what he's used to receiving in texas. can you see it there. otherwise, those who came to the summit that was organized as conservative activists were as excited about him here as they have been in other places. >> what are you hearing about in new hampshire? >> those three candidates, those two and huckabee, but they showed up. i'm surprised at huckabee, who i'm very bullish on if he runs, i'm surprised he's not dominating more, not showing the superior skills he should have based onnin on his time on fox radio, even be electric stars in camps new hampshire is one of

the least religious states going to not resonate in new england so much as in iowa. >> and he state away from some the social red meat. he did hit on some of the other hot button conservative issues like the nsa, like the cian core. he also said sometimes he's not sure whether or not there's more freedom in north korea than in the united states. >> i'm sorry, who said that? >> mike huckabee, as far as your freedom message is concerned. >> i love mike but he would rather live where he lives than in north korea. i know where he lives. >> did anybody say freedom die tonight? that's a great line. >> no, freedom died in america tonight. >> let's say mike huckabee loved mike, but let's say he was a little off his game.

there's a reason. because if you have 21st century's abraham lincoln in your miz -- >> oh, i know where you're going. >> no. seriously, you're not going to freak out? how would you like to be next to that guy in the 1800s or back to our lincoln today. >> i think you're talking about donald trump. >> course i am. >> as you mentioned, jeb bush was the topic of conversation. here's donald trump on jeb bush and immigration. >> i heard jeb bush the other day. and he was talking about people that come into this country illegally, they do it for love. and i said, say it again, i didn't get -- that's one i've never heard of before. i've heard money, i've heard this, i've heard sex, i've heard everything. the one thing i never heard of was love. i understand what he's saying but, you know, it's out there.

>> donald trump would know that people risk their life in the desert crossing the border for sex? i didn't know that. >> 56% came for sex to america. >> i heard people going to tijuana, the other way. >> that was a remarkable statement. very wise. >> professor, can you comment? >> i'm with you. >> one of the things that jumped out at me as i look at your reporting, ted cruz and rand ball almost talking like president obama, but bill de

blasio, trying to go populist in new hampshire. >> the two of them sounding like elizabeth warren more than hillary clinton does. they tied it to the great depression saying our income levels haven't been this bad since 1928. >> did it feel like the stakes were high, or -- >> it's still a little too soon. none of these guys are willing to talk openly about whether they're running or not. but with anything,s context changes as soon as you walk in the state. >> oscar pistorius back on the stand. lisa bloom joins us next. you're watching "morning joe." don't worry! the united states postal service will get it there on time with priority mail flat rate shipping. ♪

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the way i understand is that you perceived the attack, you fight to ward off an attack or to kill him. but that's not right? >> i didn't fight to kill anybody. >> or to ward off an attack? >> i didn't have time to think.

i heard the noise, i thought it was someone to attack us. >> your defense has now changed from fugitive self-defense to -- >> i don't understand the law. >> joining us now is the author of "suspicious nation," lisa bloom. we continually see the emotion of oscar pistorius repeatedly exited on the stand. do you think that's working for him or against him? >> he's the most emotional defendant i've ever seen anywhere in the world, at any trial. he's sobbed, he's wept, they keep a bucket next to him in the courtroom. ultimately i don't think it's

helping him at all. he's making mistakes in his testimony. his defense has changed. did he shoot because me just acted involuntarily and he couldn't help himself? did he shoot because he thought he was defending reeva as he said in his testimony? it's really not clear. >> one thing that's coming up now is the fact that he's testifying about hearing a noise of a window opening for slamming in that little bathroom, something that wasn't in that original report, the prosecutor saying why would he leave that out and making up such an important detail now. this is exposing a lot of lies. >> the prosecution also pointed out there was this enormous fan next to the bed that was on and made noise. how would he hear the relatively small sound of a window sliding

open with that fan? that's why they've kept him on the stand day after day after day. >> this is the most aggressive prosecutor. what does the prosecutor get out of being so aggressive? is he playing to judge? >> a couple things. first of all, the prosecutor in a very real sense is there to defend reeva steenkamp, who is not there to defend herself and to show the moral outrage that he wants the judge and the two assessors who are deciding the case to feel and to stop, frankly, feeling sorry for oscar pistorius. the prosecutor through his tone conveying give me a break, you killed this woman, the unarmed woman who wasn't doing anything

to you. the other is to be aggressive and get oscar pistorius off his story. >> he's certainly succeeded in that. lisa, thank you. we're going to lighten th een tp and talk to bob saget when we come back on "morning joe." ♪ ♪

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pay him handsomely. >> they do. >> and you grew up in the world of dan tanner and now you're dirty daddy. >> i was doing standup at 17 and i was lucky enough to get "full hou house" and play a role that hugged people and used a dust buster. >> and you're a little bluer. >> i like to have fun. and with kids i like to have a different kind of fun. a good fun. this took me a year and a half to write. i guess a memoir i didn't even know. it was going to be thoughts of comedy like comedians i didn't

know, like rodney dangerfield and my family had a lot of deaths in it. my parents, i've been on this death tour and i feel cavalier just mentioning it. my parents lost four children, i was the only surviving kid, my two older sisters passed away and my dad lost three of his brothers. and so every year as i was 9 years old, after that it was just how am i dealing with death? we would say inappropriate things just to get us outside of the moment. not to deny the moment. we paid homage to people. so my book is about comedy and death and then my nether

regions. >> i want to go back to the transformation that tom is eluding to. very rare is it that someone has such a clear demarcation. for you it was "the aristocrats," and they realized that europe a ruthless, ruthless man. you describe it as a liberating thing for you. >> the movie was about freedom of speech was the purpose of the documentary done by paul p provenza. the joke is how dirty can you tell a joke, which ends with what do you call yourself? the aristocrats after a family has done something you don't want to do out of desperation to

make it in show business. i told it in a free wheeling way, i didn't want it necessarily to be seen by anyone, i watched it in my manager's office, i said, okay, it's very funny, let's run this and let people see this. my oldest daughter, who is in this book and she's been at my book signings and she's before beautiful, he said i'm going into the theater now to watch "the aristocrats." i said, oh, no, don't go. it was an interesting time where people said he has a foul mouth. i was always probably in the as blue as i was in that defining moment. i was also on "entourage" at the same time.

here's the nice family man who host as blooper show and then there i was more edgy. >> what's it like having watched the olsons grown up as american icons? >> it's natural to me because i don't know anything else. i said in an interview for the book, i deepered them just two years ago. i actually wrote that joke, i have full permission to do that joke. i got the book -- the book that i got, as soon as i got it i gave it to my actual three daughters. i gave it to my mother, who wasn't well at the time and she tried to get through it and stopped right before a chapter called "things i shouldn't have done," which i'm very thankful for. i don't know if dave can read so i might get hip the audio book. >> there you go, help him out.

>> you mentioned the girls from the show. we're seeing the picture of of some of the castmate there is. the olsen wince weren't there. you consider them to be surrogate children, flight. >> surrogate means you use them to have child, doesn't it? >> it has two meanings. >> this is why i wasn't qualified to write this book. they really are like family to me. doesn't happen a lot. people don't do sitcoms and we don't have to see each other for a couple of years. i saw mary kate the other night. >> you can just pick up where you left off? >> as it is with any friend. >> are you calling in for

candice on "dancing with the stars"? >> i have a few lines, as any good father would. >> you lost your mom recently. this is a dedication you've made to her as well? >> yeah. it's dedicated to my daughters who i call beautiful and understanding and at the end i was able to go in after the book was published, they allowed me to go in and put a bit of an epitaph for her. it's an about the author section. and author's note. and she was amazing. her name was dolly. at the end of her life weeks called her the dalai lama. she was amazing and sweet and kind of controlling for me. if she had not done what she did for me, i'd probably be a dentist. >> she probably did what she did

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