a history of anti-semitism. remembered last night by family and neighbors still shocked by the senseless tragedy. >> i wanted to tell you how much i appreciate you all being here. i heard they were going to be a vigil and we all grieve in different ways and i just wanted to tell people thank you. >> the grieving daughter and mother of the victims. we'll bring you the latest from officials there as we await new details in a press conference expected this hour. on edge, the crisis in eastern ukraine near the boiling point. pro russian-separatist s in sevn cities in eastern ukraine. insurgents stormed more government offices as ukraine's

acting president orders troops to the region. at an emergency u.n. meeting at the security council the u.s. blamed have had mir putin for provoking the clashes. >> of these coordinated professional actions is russia. >> republican stars test the 2016 waters in new hampshire this weekend. they share the stage and spot lit but can they agree on their party's future. >> if you want to be consistent, if you want to grow the movement, we cannot be the party of fat cats, rich people and wall street. >> i think every republican should have two words tattooed on their hands, growth and opportunity.

>> good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington, we'll be hearing from kansas city police in a live press conference on the shooting spree that left three people dead. an entire community shocked by what appears to be anti-semitic attack. president obama spoke about the tragedy at the eastern prayer breakfast at the white house. >> our prayers are with the people of overland park and we're still learning details, but this much we know. a gunman open fire at two jewish facilities, community center and retirement home, innocent people were killed. their families were devastated and this violence has struck at the heart of the jewish community in kansas city. >> joining me now by phone, ron allen in kansas. richard cohen, president of the southern poverty law center joining us as well. first to you, ron. i know you're going to this press conference. this is suburban kansas city. what do officials know about the

origins of what appear to be hate crimes? >> well, they know that since this happened in broad daylight on a quiet peaceful sunday afternoon on the eve of passover, they believe and seems to be no doubt that this frazier glenn cross is the man responsible for all of this. he's in custody and arrested in a school year moments after the shooting. in addition to killing three people allegedly, there were two other people who were shot at that he apparently missed and apparently was arnled with a shotgun and hand gun, weapons. we hope to hear more about the case against him at this press brief being, in particular whether he'll be charged with hate crimes or premeditated murder. he's being held in jail at this hour. we've also been hearing from the people in the community who want to focus on the victims as well, of course. they want to focus on dr. william lewis and his grandson

who were at that community center, i believe for a competition, a student competition, a number of high school students there that day because of a music competition. he was a performer, singer, that's why he was there with his grandfather. his grandfather moved to the community to be closer to his grandchildren. we don't know much about the third victim, a woman, we believe. who was perhaps a resident of this jewish community center, the jewish retirement home. but bottom line of course, all of these people are innocent victims. the person responsible for this seems to be no doubt about who he is. people are just repulsed by the notion of this man smiling and yelling anti-semitic slurs as he's taken away in custody. this community, like so many others, when things like this happen, they can't understand why this violence would erupt in this particular place at this particular time. people cannot understand it.

andrea. >> ron allen there as well. we have the southern poverty law center's richard cohen. i know that the splc has studied the whole range of these suspects and suspicious hate crime advocates and is familiar with this man. tell us what you know about him. >> well, frazier glenn miller, that's his real name has been a fixture on the white spremist seen for years. in the 80s had 2,000 followers and received stolen money from a group called the order and plotting a race war and training his men with stolen military supplies with the assistance of u.s. army personnel. we actually brought a criminal contempt action against him and he was convicted of that after he was convicted he went underground and declared war on the government. was eventually captured with

stolen military supplies and convicted of carrying those -- having those supplies and plotting to kill the founder of the southern poverty law center. since then miller's anti-semitism has grown and grown. he's posted more than 10,000 messages on a hate website called vanguard news network. and he's just increasingly angry, like so many people of his ilk. we've seen a tremendous increase in the number of hate groups in our country, they total almost 1,000. since the president has come into office we've seen an explosion in anti-government groups, including violent militias and so unfortunately, one can never know when someone like miller will bust loose. but i think it's likely we'll see more and more of this as the country's demographics continue to change and those who fear that continue to have a backlash.

>> richard, maybe i'm missing something here. but if frazier glenn miller was convicted, was he never jailed? >> oh, no, he was jailed for three years. he actually then testified against a variety of other white sup premist leaders, one of the reasons why his sentence wasn't longer. he did go to jail for three years for plotting to kill morris deeds, and having stolen military supplies. >> one has to -- i know your colleague morris deeds, one of the leading investigators of these hate crimes and i don't understand how someone who was accused and convicted of plotting to kill someone was then let loose, even if he was cooperating with authorities. i mean, there have to be questioned asked about him being on the loose. >> well, the sentence was probably light but he probably

would have been out by this point anyway. i do want to say, i wouldn't want to suggest that anyone could have known glenn miller at this time or place would have done this, any more than james vonn bron who killed someone at the holocaust museum a few years back and a skin head killer who killed six peoples at the temple years ago. violence is difficult to predict at time and place. to some degree the country has to recognize that there are people out there like that. we need to be vigilant and ultimately we need to teach our children tolerance. and understanding that people who are different from us are you know, are brothers and sisters. >> good points there, richard. thank you very much. thank you, richard cohen and thanks to ron allen as well out there in kansas. meanwhile, ukraine's acting president is calling today for the deployment of u.n. peace

keeping troops in the eastern part of the country. this comes after pro-russian insurgents have taken over government buildings in seven cities and u.s. military officials tell nbc news that a russian war plane engaged in provocative action when it flew by a u.s. navy guided missile destroyer east of row main ya. joining me by phone from do donetsk, what are you seeing as you go from city to city as these buildings are taken over? >> reporter: we're seeing a pattern that has emerged, one that the ukrainian government and u.s. have been worried about. in the city where we were just in, we saw a relief station that was overrun by pro-russian separatists, they barricaded themselves in and echoing the

calls of other parts of the country that have been demanding a referendum in the eastern part of ukraine that would give them more autonomy and the right to join russia. what has been alarming in some cases is the degree of so fwisty indication some of these seizures of police buildings have incorporated. we've seen very well trained with military precision, heavy equipment and fire power, men very well dressed men with arms and stuff taking over these buildings and it raises -- more importantly, the timing with which they've been able to take these buildings and once they do and secure them, what tends to happen afterwards, they tend to leave them for local ukrainians and perhaps even russians to take over and put up the flags. it seems to be a pro-pronged approach and well coordinated approach in these areas that we've been to, andrea. >> richard engel, what the state

department has said this weekend and what samantha power was saying at the u.n. security council emergency session last night was that this is first of all russian fiction part two, suggesting that this is the step by step slicing away of eastern ukraine as it was in crimea when you were there and covered all of this on the ground along with our other correspondents and that russia's claim that this is precipitated by ukraine supported by the u.s. is fictitious and also that the presence which no one is confirming but not denying of john brennan, the cia director in ukraine this weekend had nothing to do with any military response. >> russia and it seems quite clear that russia has a hand in all of this, pursuing four different strategies, one the diplomatic track with the russian foreign minister and kremlin saying, going around the world saying they want to have moral rights for the regions in ukraine. then there's the military pressure, 40,000 troops very

well armed troops right on the border. then economic pressure by mostly with the natural gas provider saying that ukraine owes them a lot of money. then the fourth tactic are these militia groups. these anonymous masked well armed and very mobile militias going now for the last couple of days taking over buildings, local government stations and even an airport in eastern ukraine to try to undermine the country. so you have these four tracks all going on at once all with the same goal of creating instability, making the government in kiev look very weak and making the ukraine -- the revolution that took place in ukraine, which is anti-moscow, a failure. >> and this could be partly to destabilize the government in kiev looking forward to the elections in may the presidential elections to make

any election outcome look less reliable, also the fact that the government is now suggesting that it is willing to consider local referendum for the russian speaking parts of ukraine. bit by bit, i want to also point out, richard, which you know all too well, the possibility of an accidental clash coming to pass because we've had now a dozen passes by this fighter jets, russian fighter jet over the destroyer in the black sea near romania. >> there is a lot of room for violent clashes here. think about what's happened in ukraine since the revolution. the revolution happened in kiev, independence square, the pro moscow president is driven out of power. how has russia been reacting since then? they took over crimea and sent tens and thousands of troops to the border and now they are undermining eastern ukraine and all of ukraine in the leadup to the elections.

while this is happening, you also have this increasing rhetoric, anti-american rhetoric on russian state television and this russian plane buzzing u.s. warship in the black sea. there's a lot of possibilities for this to unravel and turn into a much more violent situation. >> richard engel and ayman, thank you both so much. a robotic submersible is scanning and mapping an unexplored section of the indian ocean floor searching for the missing airliner or debris. officials in charge of the search say the blue fin sub can chart any debris on the field but it's a slow process. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. we'll be right back.

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all three of us have run the boston marathon. we know how special that day is. it's probably the best day in the city of boston. for anyone to attack the city the way they did, we all took it personal. >> that was then police boston police superintendent william evans, speaking at the news conference a week after the boston marathon bombings, just one year ago. evans has run the boston marathon 18 times, including last year, finishing only an hour before the bomb's exploded killing three people injuring hundreds more and putting the entire boston metro area on lockdown. william evans is now the commissioner and joins me now reflecting on events a year ago and how it has changed your city, police chief and the nation. so thank you for joining us.

i know this is a very difficult time. how do you feel a year later? how is the city doing? >> the city has come back. i think obviously we've gone through a lot this year. but i think we've proved resilient and strong city, we're a close knit community. and i think everyone is looking forward especially to the events over the next couple of days. tomorrow we have a tribute which is actually anniversary day and we have a lot of scheduled events throughout the week. as we lead up to the marathon on monday. >> reflect back to a year ago, commissioner, as to you finished the race and heading home. what happened then? >> well, i was in the hot tub, believe it or not and one of my officers told me the bombs had gone off in copley square and i couldn't believe that something like that would happen in the city. i got back into my uniform, drove into work and i went down on boylston street to see the

destruction on that street after i had rundown that street an hour earlier was the worst thing i've seen in the 43 years i've been on this job. the young lives so tragically wiped out there and the destruction to that whole area, i don't know why anyone would do that, not only to our marathon and those families but also to the city of boston. it was something i'll never ever get out of my head. >> commissioner, how quickly did you know it was terrorism, that it wasn't some other explosion or accident? >> i think we knew very quickly. especially when the second bomb went off outside -- outside the restaurant and then we had the marathon sports. we need there's no coincidence there. we could tell by -- there was ball bearings on the street, we knew very quickly that this was no accident by any means. and that's why i think you've seen our offices so heroically

jump to action and all of the first responders, the medical profession, the civilians, i think we've seen everyone show how strong the city was and that was a good outcome to a tragic day for those families. >> i wanted to ask you about the recent inspector general's report suggesting that -- reporting that russia did not cooperate adequately with the fbi on the follow-up questions that the fbi could have asked about tamerlan tsarnaev. >> i think if we had a lot more information, know what we know now, obviously that very well could have been tragic -- that tragedy could have been prevented, but i know since that time, andrea, that information sharing that's improved dramatically, especially between us and the fbi. you know, whether russia clearly

was wrong there, i know there's a lot of turmoil going on over there and how they cooperated, i'm not sure but i know we've made a lot of improvements leading up to this marathon and intelligence sharing has been great and hopefully you know, nothing of that magnitude ever happens again to our marathon here in the city of boston. >> certainly pray not and we know you're on the case and not going to be running this year but you're in charge of security. we -- great wishes to everybody in boston. this is going to be a really important day for the nation as well. thank you very much, commissioner. >> thank you. >> and stay with us here on "andrea mitchell reports" for live coverage of a police briefing in suburban kansas city, with an update on the shooting at the jewish community center and jewish retirement home. [ female announcer ] grow, it's what we do.

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the freedom summit. it was a tea party flavored event. there were a few legitimate applicants and few speakers more interested in free publicity. even this program is usually a trump free zone, donald trump's comment simply can't be ignored. >> i heard jeb bush the other day and he was talking about people that come into this country illegally, they do it for love. and i said, say it again. i didn't get -- that's one i've never heard before. i've heard money. i've heard this and sex and everything. but one thing i never heard of was love. i understand what he's saying, but, you know, it's out there. i'll tell you. >> it's out there. joining me now for our daily fix, chris sicillizza and ruth marcus. as far as i know, i've never heard of why someone would cross

the rio grande and go through all of the legal jeopardy and physical dangers to come in illegally for sex. there seem to be easier ways to accomplish that purpose. >> donald trump is just -- donald trump is getting what he wants, which is getting people to talk about donald trump. i will say i do think it is telling that when he mentioned the act of love comment, there were some boos from the crowd. i think jeb bush's position on immigration, forget donald trump. just throw him out. that would be great for all of us, wouldn't it? jeb bush's position on immigration would put him to the center left of where we saw the republican party in 2012. remember mitt romney infamously -- >> self-deportation. >> i do think jeb bush is aware of this but his immigration stance is different than -- i don't want to say majority of the base but a significant chunk

of the republican base. that would be an issue in 2016 in the republican presidential primary forum. >> i would suggest to you, chris and to ruth, that jeb bush is not going to change his immigration position in order to win republican primaries, he's going to be consistent. he will not pull a mitt romney. >> i don't think flip flopping is going to be the jeb bush thing that we're going to be talking about if he chooses to run. he has a position and he's sticking with it. whether his party is capable of doing the right thing -- when i say doing the right thing, i mean both substantively and for the party going along with the jeb bush let's have love in immigration policy program, remains to be seen but he is where he is. >> i want to play a little bit of rand paul. this was interesting. rand paul seeming to carve out a very different position for the party to this group, this tea party group in new hampshire. this is rand paul. >> the door is not going to open

up to the african-american community or the hispanic community until we have something to offer. if you look at the war on drugs, three out of four people in prison are black or brown. but your kids and grand kids aren't perfect either. the police don't come to your neighborhoods, you get a better lawyer. these are in injustices, we have people concerned about injustice, we have to be concerned about people who may not part of our group here and may not be here today if we want to grow our message. >> that is a very interesting position, chris. >> and he's -- rand paul has been, whether it's mandatory minnesomi minimum sentencing, he has been someone who does not take the traditional republican party position. i think he's doing it out of a belief is this is where the party moves. i spent a lot of time over the weekend digging through numbers but barack obama won 93% of the black vote and 71% of the

hispanic vote. numbers like that particularly given the growth of the hispanic community and projected growth it's hard to see if republicans continue to be a party in which one in ten of their voters are nonwhite, one in ten nonwhite voters, you can't get to a majority the way the country is changing. rand paul, of everyone in the field, with the possible exception of jeb bush is talking about moving the party in a direction that demographically would allow them to speak to a really growing part of the electorate. >> and another one of the players up there was ted cruz who spoke to our own casey hunt. >> this is a state you're looking to come back to run for president? >> it's a state i'll thrilled to have a chance to come back and visit with the good people here. we're having a national debate right now about the direction this country should go. and new hampshire is going to be front and center as part of that

national debate. i intend to do everything i can to participate in that debate. >> so, not exactly scherresqher, not at all. >> the ted cruz fen none none is interesting, he did get a piece of legislation passed, first bill was passed the other day to block the iranian nominee to be u.n. ambassador -- >> heavy lift -- >> which was i think unanimously passed. and now ted cruz in new hampshire. this is clearly someone who thinks he can run for president. it's sort of the obama plan. >> he thinks he can run for prds. there are similarities in terms of the aggressiveness of his moving and but i think that he doesn't necessarily think that he is going to be president, but

i think he's very clear that he can effect the terms of debate. i have to say the character i find much more interesting is rand paul, who i think not just on immigration but on an array of issues is really saying some of the most interesting things among the potential presidential kand dates in the party on foreign policy and on domestic policy. >> ruth marcus, chris cillizza, thank you so much. we'll go live to suburban kansas city to a police briefing on shooting spree that left three people dead yesterday in overland park, kansas. speaking is police chief john douglas. now this is -- >> we're deeply saddened by the tragic events yesterday at the jewish community campus and our heart felt prayers go out to the families senselessly affected by the horrific shootings. they are dear to us and we ask for your prayers for them. our entire community stands united as we prepare for the jewish holiday of passover this

evening, a time of peace, hope and freedom. we are heartened by the outpouring of support from greater kansas city and around the world for our jewish community. it strengthens us as we move forward from this tragedy. amidst our grief and compassion for those most affected, we're working very closely with the overland park police department which has been a long time and highly trusted partner to our entire jewish community. we are especially greatful to chief john douglas for his longstanding dedication and appreciate as well partnership of mayor ger lock along with the officials of the federal bureau of investigation, u.s. attorneys office and the district attorney. all have assured us of their inee quif cal commitment to protect the center and our

community partners and the broader community as well. the jewish community center in village shalom are sted fast at our commitment to continuing to serve our community within a safe, caring, impactful environment. we call on all members, participants and friends of our community to join together with us and demonstrate the power of love and community prevails over violence. thank you for your support. >> now that we have more information and details that we can confirm, i would like to confirm some information with you and possibly present some things you may or may not know. a lot of this information has already through various sources become public, nonetheless we're taking the opportunity to confirm that for you today. first of all, from the first call at 1:01 p.m. until the suspect was taken into custody

20 minutes later, our dispatchers received a total of 28 911 or emergency calls relating to the shooting. this information was instrumental in apprehending the suspect as it led to a critical description of a vehicle which was apprehended a very short period of time later. i would point out the second shooting has been reported by some agencies as having occurred in leewood. village shalom is also in overland park. i would like to express my gratitude to the kansas highway patrol, leewood police departments and johnson county sheriff's office in responding to our initial request for assistance during this active shooter incident. as you may understand, active shooters are fluid events and we have a protocol this in area where multiple agencies will respond and flood the area with any kind of support necessary. we're very grateful to our local community partners.

as has been reported in the press, we will now verify the names of the victims. police understand we offer our sympathy and condolences. i cannot imagine the tragedy and loss of a family member, let alone two family members. but certainly all of those involved deserve both our respect and concern and our grief. dr. william lewis corporon, 69 years old of overland park. his grandson reat, both were fatally shot at the jewish community center and teresa teri rose lomano, fatally shot at the village shalom retirement center. her maiden name was hastings and she was working at the children's center for the visually impaired at the time of the shooting she was visiting her mother, who is at village

shalom and had been visiting her mother every sunday for some time. we are starting to receive calls from people with possible information related to the case. these are vital to us. these witnesses didn't realize at the time that they may have seen something or have important information on this case but now begun to contact our investigators based upon the context of what there was. the overland police department is asking if anyone believes they may have information about this case or suspect, please do not hesitate to call 913-895-6910. again, the number is 913-895-6910. or the fbi at 816-512-8200. also it has been reported we have arrested frazier glenn cross jr., a 73-year-old white male from aurora, missouri and also goes by the alias of glenn

frazier miller. we have unquestionably determined through the work of local and federal law enforcement agencies that this was a hate crime. now yesterday it became fairly apparent that it was probably a hate crime but as we told you yesterday, we needed the verification to make this determination, it's important just an opinion it's a legal status. it took us a while to reach all of triggers which allow us the opportunity to say officially we believe this to be a hate crime. because it's a hate crime, we're working with the federal government in the role trying to seek every venue in the prosecution both at the state and local level. i ask for the fbi special agency in charge, mr. case, to explain what a hate crime is federally and how we'll proceed from there. >> thank you. first before we talk about hate

crime, i want to express my sentiment and heart felt condolences to the families and victims that were killed in this senseless tragedy. yesterday's attack of the jewish community center in the village shalom strikes at the core fundamental freedoms of how our country was founded and what we live by every single day. and as chief douglass pointed out earlier, we have now determined that the motivation behind this was a hate crime. as chief talked to you yesterday, we mentioned that it was still too early to talk about that. in the last 22 hours we've learned that the acts that this person committed were the result of beliefs that he had and that he was trying to hurt somebody based on their ethnicity, race, religion, whole lot of

categories under a hate crime. it is our number one priority under our civil rights program. and a hate crime is a traditional crime usually murder, arson, vandalism, but the difference is they are motivated by bias. and that's why my office involved in investigating this. we are committed to work aggressively with law enforcement partners, as the chief mentioned, this will be a dual investigation going forward. and again, i want to express my condolences to the victims and also i want to commend the overland park police department for their very quick response in apprehending this subject. that was an outstanding police work by overland park and i want to make sure that everyone is aware of that. barry? like everyone else, members of the united states attorney community express our condolences to the families of these poor souls who happen to

be in the wrong place at the wrong time and have the unfortunately experience of firsthand encountering evil. based on what we were able to put together yesterday, the united states attorney's office will be filing hate crime violations against this defendant. this morning the president mentioned overland park at his prayer breakfast. i've received communications from attorney general holder, expressing his concern and his condolences. but we are in a very good place from an evidence standpoint of moving forward with this case and we will be presenting it to the grand jury in the not to distant future. >> with that you've heard from the fbi, and police chief in overland park and also the u.s. attorney and there will be charges filed and they have determined that in fact it was a hate crime. they did thank all of the people who called in.

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thousands of runners arrived in bosz ton for the one run for boston event, it began last month in california. runners raised $400,000 for the runners and victims of their family. a book called "long mile home qurt boston under attack. the epic hunt for justice. thank you both very much. this book tells the tale through the eyes of five principle characteristics. let's talk about heather abbott, and the difficult choice that she was forced to make after

being injured. >> heather went to the marathon every year with her friends. she was injured badly by the second explosion that day. she got to the hospital and the surgeons were actually able to save her foot, save her leg. she woke up tuesday and thought she was one of the lucky ones but over the course of that week her condition did deteriorate and she was ultimately forced to make an unimaginable decision, whether to keep the leg and go forward in a compromised way or to actually choose amputation and forge a new path for herself. that's ultimately what she did do. >> and there's so many of these five characters, these heartbreaking stories. scott, what about the marathon director, legendary dave. >> a big public figure here in boston and new england. he put on the boston marathon for years and years. we wanted to include his

perspective because this is such a special day in boston. it's such a celebration, at the city and running and nobody em bodies them more. we thousand dollght including i him would show how this special time was so corrupted. >> to both of you, what about the boston policewoman, shane na co-tone. tell me about her perspective, she was right near the finish line. >> very young, 20-something officer, from new york, teenage during 9/11. she was at the finish line that day and she was very instrumental in saving lives there but she was very honest with us in telling the story of how that event affected her really for the long term. >> and of course, there are those who are lost, crystal

campbell was right there at the finish line, cheering them on. >> she was one of the three victims who were killed actually in the bomtings and 29-year-old woman, very much of boston, grew up here, born and raised, big boston sports fan. one of the things her friends talked about was how generous she was throughout her life. it is sad one of her last acts at the marathon was to give somebody else a better view in front of her against the barricade. that's a decision that may have ultimately put her closer to the explosion. so it's very sad but also very fitting that was one of the final things she did. >> and among the heroes of course the medical teams, david king one of them at mass general. >> david king is an amazing story. he ran the marathon that day, very experienced marathoner, ran it in a little over three hours, was just getting home with his family, with his two young daughters when he got a text message about the bombing and grabbed a pair of scrubs and

grabbed a banana and went straight to mass general hospital and started to operate on some of the most severely wounded victims. he too very effected by these events a year ago. >> scott, you and jenna very realed some of the details about the tsarnaev brothers and downward spiral as to how they lost their grip and became radicalized. >> they both had been in the country about ten years. this is a story unfortunately of an immigrant story really gone wrong. like so many immigrant families come here hoping for a better life and opportunity. ultimately they had financial problems and health problems and parents split up and leave the kids to their own devices. we see their lives really deteriorate. they have nothing going for them, the older one had this promising boxing career he couldn't pursue and younger one failing out of school. people haven't asked us, is that really enough to bomb the

marathon? clearly answer is knno. there's a big leap there. and i think those are some of the questions that we still wrestle with and hope we learn more about when dzhokhar goes to trial. >> the mystery of evil. thank you so much. the book is "the long mile home", thanks for being with us today. >> thank you. >> the white house is hoping to get budget director sylvia burwell quickly confirmed, although her hearings will give republican critics a chance to revisit their complaints about obama care. i talked with kathleen sebelius. >> in retrospect was it too complicated, too much to take on to create this enormous program, roll it out the way you did, should you have delayed the rollout and tried to get it right first time? >> i think there's no question and i've said this many times, is that the launch of the website was terribly flawed and terribly difficult. the good news was that we said

it would be fixed in eight weeks. it was fixed in eight weeks and we announced last week that 7.5 million people, most of them coming through the site, had enrolled, were running the sites of 34 states through one situation the hub, which all states connect to, has worked flawlessly from the beginning. could we have used more time and then testing? you bet. i've said that from the start. but the site actually worked and great thing is there's a market behind the site that works even better. people have competitive choices and real information for the first time ever in this insurance market. >> one of the things that has been written is that there was so much attention being paid as to whether the insurance companies would offer enough choices that not enough was paid to just the website, the technical side of it. do you think that's possibly what went on? >> i think there's two things. certainly the policy team and

setting this process up trying to make sure we had competitive markets in every state around the country. as you remember, we didn't really know until about six months out how many states would actually run their own sites, who would be on their own. so this was kind of the moving target. so yes, it took a lot of time on the policy side on the market side and there was a team in place with other people outside experts coming in, kicking the tires sean regular reports, regular dash boards on the tech side. but clearly the estimate that it was ready to go october 1st was flat out wrong. >> did the white house oversell it? >> i don't think they did. i think what we said from the outset was this was fixing a very broken market, where individuals really were on their own. if you were healthy, and wealthy you could get coverage. if you weren't, you were pretty much on your own if you didn't

work for the right company. so that was fixed. we have millions of people not only in private marketplace but millions more in expanded medicaid, which is going on around the country with republicans and democratic governors and then there are a lot of underlying pieces which really to me are very exciting, which go to beginning to fix the underlying health system that affects us all, whether or not you have insurance coverage with your employer or whether one of these newly insured folks. >> along the way what was your low point? >> i would say the eight weeks where the site was not functioning well for the vast majority of people was a pretty dismal time. and i was frankly hoping and watching and measuring the bench marks but having failed once at the front of october, the first

of december became a critical juncture, whether it was going to meet the expectations the second time around. i knew we didn't have a third time around so that was a pretty scary date and watching a lot of people come in and be able to be enrolled in december was very gratifying. >> the white house has been publicly very supportive but then there's all of the sort of back sniping, this is washington afterall. people were asking, were you pushed or did you jump? >> actually i made a decision at the election that i couldn't leave along with a lot of my colleagues who left at the end of the first term, that did not seem to be even a topic to consider since there was still one more chapter in this affordable care act that needed to roll out and that had been one of my responsibilities as the secretary of health and human services. so staying on made good sense to

me. i also thought that at the end of open enrollment was a logical time to leave. there is never a good time. there's going to be another open enrollment. there are changes down the road but the president and i began to talk after the first of the year and i went back to him in early march and said, you know, i'm really optimistic we're going to meet the targets at the enrollment is going well and site is working well. i think once we finish this first chapter, you really should begin to look for the next secretary who can be here through the end of your term. that really wasn't a commitment i was willing to make and he knew that. >> did he try to talk you out of it? >> he made it clear that that really wasn't an option to stay on. i thought it was fair to either commit until january of 2017 or leave with enough time that he would get a strong competent leader -- >> do you have any regrets?

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