of anti-semitism allegedly opened fire at two separate jewish centers in overland park, a suburb of kansas city, killing three people. the first two victims, a doctor, 69-year-old william lewis coccoran, and his 14-year-old grandson rett griffin underwood, were gunned down in the parking lot of the jewish community center of greater kansas city. both were actually members of a nearby methodist church. police have also identified the third victim, a woman, who was shot down not long afterward in a parking lot at a senior living community about a mile away. 53-year-old terry lamano was visiting her mom at the living center, something is he had done every sunday for quite some time. the mother and daughter of coccoran and underwood spoke to a stunned community who gathered at a vigil last night.

>> president obama also addressed the tragedy this morning at the fifth annual easter prayer breakfast. >> as americans, we not only need to open our hearts to the families of the victims. we've got to stand united against this kind of terrible violence which has no place in our society. >> hundreds of teens were set to gather for a talent competition at the jewish community center, and actors were rehearsing for a production of "to kill a mockingbird" when frazier glen cross opened fire. after his arrest cross can clearly be heard yelling hate speech in the back of the patrol car. listen. hail, hitler. >> according to an extentive profile by the southern poverty law center, the suspect is the founder and former leader of both the carolina knights of the ku klux klan and the white

patriot party, both operating as paramilitary organizations in the 1980s. the justice department will be filing separate hate crime charges against cross. joining me now for more on that is nbc's justice correspondent pete williams. pete, tell us a little bit more about the charges that cross is facing. >> well, he has been charged by kansas authorities under a law that makes it illegal to engage in premeditated first degree murder. now, interestingly, that count alone does not carry the death penalty. kansas is a death penalty state. if the state wants to pursue a more serious charge, it will have to refile. that's certainly possible. it's theoretically possible they could fit it into the kansas capital murder statute. separately, federal civil rights statutes do carry the death penalty for a couple of crimes. there are a number of ways the federal government could go here. it's punishable by death to interfere with somebody's federally protected right and going to church would certainly be such a right. going to synagogue or church.

and, secondly, there's a separate federal statute that makes interfering with someone's religious freedom a federal crime punishable by the death penalty. you have both the state interests here, a community wanting to see justice done, and you have federal interests as well, so both are going to proceed. both the state and federal prosecutors will proceed on independent but parallel tracks and then once they get to the end of those, somebody has to decide who goes to trial first, if there is a trial, and that decision is yet to be made. >> and so, pete, you just made the point that i was actually going to follow-up on you on who would go first in theory. if the state were to modify their charges and go for the death penalty, would that then preclude a separate federal trial or could that trial then proceed as well? >> well, they can't go at the same time. someone has to decide who is going to go first. you can't be in two courthouses at once, and these things happen. there are cases where both the

federal and state authorities -- it's because of the strong interest in, you know, preventing crimes against members of congress and federal officials. there was a judge shot there, so there were federal interests there as well. i don't know how this is going to work out, but they will have -- the state and the federal authorities will have to sit down and decide who gets to go first. >> all right. thank you so much, nbc's pete williams. appreciate it. >> you bet. the southern poverty law center is an organization dedicated to tracking hate groups in the united states. mark potock is a senior fellow there, and he joins me now. mark, so to talk a little bit about this mr. cross, frazier glen cross, what does splc know about him? >> well, we know him as frazier glen miller, which is the name he went by for most of his life. look, he is one of the most frightening neo-nazi characters out there. for almost all of his life, and he is about 73 now, since a very

early teenhood, he has been a committed and extremely hard line first klansman and then neo-nazi. he, in fact, was involved and ultimately went to prison, in part, for a plot to assassinate the founder of the southern poverty law center, where i work, morris dees. his klans group, another group he founded, the white patriot party. these were groups in the 1980s in north carolina which were really paramilitary in orientation. it turned out they were secretly getting training from on duty marines at fort bragg. they were also acquiring stolen weapons from that fort, so very scary group, and in particular, this man is a frightening character. >> yeah. indeed. and someone who ran for office, ran for north carolina governor in 1984 as well as state senate in 1986. during those runs for office, was his history sort of brought out, or was he such a minor figure in those campaigns that

he really wasn't taken notice of? >> no. inevitably his history was brought out, and he got, you know, literally a handful of votes. i think in one of those races he got something like eight votes, so he was never even remotely successful in his ambitions, but it gives you a sense of what the guy was. he really wanted to change the world in this very particular way. his thing, above all, was jews. he saw jews as the ultimate enemy, far worse than his other enemies -- black people, brown people, gay people, and so on. so that explains his alleged actions in this attack. i mean, it's incredibly ironic, of course, that the people he allegedly managed to murder were two methodists and a catholic. >> yeah. >> but there it is. >> there's no accounting for intellect in somebody like this. i want to broaden this out, because of this idea of anti-semitism in the country leading to violence. those actual incidents of violence are actually down in

total, and i think these are figures from the anti-defamiliaration league that in 2013 there were 71 anti-semitic incidents. in 2012 it was 927 in total. i'm sorry. tv the other way. 927 in 2012 and down to 751 in 2013. overall, are we seeing these kinds of violent incidents actually declining? >> it's very, very hard to say. what i can say is that the numbers, in fact, are similar to the fbi national hate crimes statistics, which also show a decrease in anti-semitic hate crimes. now, you know, that said, the reality is there are an enormous amount of hate crimes out there. something on the order of a quarter million every year. whether they're up or down, there are a lot of these things, and we quite frequently, it seems every six or eight months or so, see another incident like this. listeners -- viewers might think back to some of the cases. the murder of the guard at the

holocaust museum in washington, the attempted bombing of a martin luther king day parade, 1,000 victims there could have been there. spokane, washington. and the list goes on. another well known knee you nazi who we had tracked for many years who invaded a temple a couple of years ago near milwaukee. there's a whole scary world out there inhabited by people like frazier glenn miller. >> absolutely. we should note that assaults are up even though things like vandalism were down. i want to talk about the rise of hate groups in america. you have published some statistics that are quite chilling. i want to show a graph that shows rise in these hate groups, and you and i have talked about this before. it really spiked in 2005 with the election of president obama and just has continued to go up, although it is starting to trend down. talk about that rise and how that is connected sort of to the overall landscape politically in the country. >> sure. well, we began to see an absolutely spectacular rise in hate groups, but especially in the groups we all used to call

militia groups back in the 1990s. in the fall of 2008 and early 2009 we saw these groups absolutely take off. in the next four years we saw the total of militia groups go from 149 to 1,360. when you count the militia groups with the hate groups, we've got over 2,000 groups operating. i think -- those are historically high numbers. i think what they really reflect more than anything else are what barack obama's election represents, and that is the kind of browning of the american population, the idea that whites are going to lose their majority in this country in about 30 years. i think that is really what is driving this movement and people like frazier glenn miller. >> can you tell us sort of where regionally you are talking about? is there a particular parts of the country where we see more of this activity? >> really when you look at the

list and the map we produce of all these radical groups, what you find is that they more or less track population. it's no longer true, for instance, that the klan is merely a deep south phenomenon. we find klan groups all over the country. we find skin head groups in cities all over the country. militia groups tend to be more rural, but they are certainly as much in the north as they are in the southwest or the southeast. sad to say, pretty much every state in this country is infected with this virus, and there are really no signs that we're going to see any end to this any time soon. >> so one of the victims' family member is speaking now. we want to take a listen and see if we can get your response. if you can hold on, we'll try on to go to that now. >> sure. of course. >> i know that my dad would have given anything if it could have

just been him. he would have stood up and just said take me. if that would have been offered him. that makes it so much harder. my father leaves behind a legacy of faith and family and community. he was -- i was just a baby when he was in college, and he and my mom worked and put him through medical school. he was in family practice. i've heard from people today, you know, who said my children, his hands were the first hands on the planet that touched my children, and i am so grateful for that, and it touches my heart to hear things like that.

he touched so many. just leaves a wonderful legacy of family. we do have a strong family and, boy, it's being tested. we don't know why bad things happen to good people. nobody does. he we choose not to focus on the why or what happened or -- it really doesn't matter to us. the fact remains that, you know, two of the people we love most in our life are now not here with us, and we do take comfort that they were together, and we take comfort that they didn't suffer, and we're very grateful

to my parents, my sister and brothers, church family here and community and friends that they have here and all our friends all over the united states that we're hearing from. i'm happy to take a question or two if you can please just limit it to the family. >> do you know if your nephew did get a chance to -- >> no. my understanding is -- i don't know this 100%, but my understanding is they literally had just pulled into a parking place, and had opened the doors to get out. they were ambushed. >> can you speak to the fact that we heard is that your family would really appreciate us focussing on the victims in this and not anybody else? >> well, it takes no character

to do what was done. it takes no strength of character. it takes no backbone. it takes no morals. it takes no ethics. all it takes is an idiot with a gun. so there's no need to focus on that. i mean, it could have been -- it could have been an accident on an icy road. they were together all the time. my father and reid. the other grandkids. i mean, my dad always had one of them with him or more. it could have been a drunk driver. it could have been a car accident. it could have been any number of things. so for us, again, it's the tragedy is that they're not here. the other part will be dealt with by those who are going to deal with it, and really it doesn't -- you know, that's

going to play out. our goal is to shine the light on my father and my nephew and hopefully on just the senselessness of these kinds of things. there's no rhyme or reason to it. i mean, that idiot, that idiot absolutely knocked a family to its knees for no reason. my dad should be seeing patients today at his work. you know, reid, if they had school today, would have been in school today studying and being with his friends. this is -- there's no reason, no reason for this. and it's just a tragedy. >> can you talk about -- i imagine your father was taking his grandson to this try-out.

can you talk about how much he loved watching him act and sing? >> the whole family loved it. very supportive of reid and all the grandkids, whether it's music or baseball or lacrosse or dance or whatever. again, family first. i don't just say that. that's not just words. that is a fact. that is the life -- that is the whole reason they moved here in 2003 up here was to be closer to my sister, my brother, and their kids, to be part of their lives because that's what they wanted to be. so that's -- he -- he died doing exactly what he wanted. if you could ask him to pick something, if he could, you know, that probably wouldn't be far off the mark for him to say being with his -- doing something with one of his grandkids. like i said before, he would have i'm sure given anything to just -- it just be him, and we

all feel that way. >> you talk about -- >> would he be acting, performing -- >> reid very much loved that. that was a huge part of his life. it has been since he was little. he has gotten to be in some productions in school and some summer productions. all of you probably have seen him. he was asked to singe the star-spaenkled banner at an event not that long ago. very important to him. but it wouldn't have mattered if it was singing or if it was any other activity, whatever they wanted to do is what was important to the family, and that was just what his passion was. loved singing in the church choir. loved singing in choir at school. we're a musical family. we do sing a lot. and have for years.

holidays and things like that. it's a malthing for him to be interested in. yes, sir. >> can you tell me a little bit more between your father and your nephew, and why is it that they saw in each other? what connected them? >> you know, they did a lot of things together. he is not the oldest grandchild, but he is the oldest of the next group. mine are the oldest at 23. did a lot of his early scouts with him, camping, things like that. i wouldn't say that his bond with reid was any more significant necessarily than with any of the other grandkids. it's just that they just happened to be together this

day. i can't emphasize enough. these are active grandparents wresh still worked 40 hours a week. these are active people. living an active life and a huge part of that life every day had something to do with grandkids, whether it was reid or one of the other grandkids. he was practicing family practice in oklahoma from 1976 to 2003. actually, earlier than that. 1972 to 2003. they moved up to pittsburgh, nevada area for a while, and then up to here, and he was an emergency room physician and then about -- i'm going to get this wrong, but about a year ago took a medical director job at an occupational health company.

>> you had said that there's some other children. they had several grandchildren. how are the children and the young -- adjusting to this? >> you know, to be really honest, i'm not really sure. i haven't got to visit with reid's brother yet. you know, i know this. kids are resilient. there have been a lot of tears. it's going to be very hard week for them. you know, not just obviously for the brother not just lose aing brother, but, you know, a beloved grandfather. it's going to be difficult. it's just going to be difficult for all of us. i just want to wrap things up by

saying that my mother and all the family that's in found now and coming into town and those that i talked to really appreciate you all media respecting our privacy, being as forthcoming as we can possibly be. i know that when we have arrangements that have been made here with pastor hamilton here at the church, i'm sure those will be -- those will be made available. mindy has two or three charities, i know, that she would like, and i don't have those with me, but i can e-mail them to you. that she would like to get out to have donations made. in memory of reid and my father. and i just can't stress enough that, you know, we as a family

had been dealt a huge, huge blow, as i'm sure you can see and perhaps imagine, but we'll go on, and we'll get through this, and we'll always have a huge hole -- two huge holes that will never be full -- never be filled. you know, every day is just going to be a reminder, but we do hope that, you know, if there's any way possible that any little sliver of goodness, grace can come of this, that then by the sheer grace of god it will not have been just totally, totally for nothing. thank you all very much. >> thank you all for coming today. >> that was will coccoran, the father and nephew of two of the

victims of that kansas shooting. his dad, dr. william lewis coccoran, killed. spending the day with one of his grandchildren. they were headed to rehearsals for "to kill a mockingbird" when they were killed. the other victim, of course, is 53-year-old terry lamono. will talking about his dad, the special bond he had with all of his grandchildren, including reit, and he was an active grandfather still practicing, saying he should be at work today. he should be practicing, but instead he is dead and his sons saying that his father william lewis coccoran would have preferred that it just be him. a loving grandfather, obviously. he was killed along with his grandson and the third victim 53-year-old terry lomano, what's being called a hate crime. i want to go back very quickly to wrap up with mark. mark, you realize that with all the statistics and all the work that you do at the southern poverty law center, that tend of the day there are real people, real human tragedies that are at

stake here. >> yeah. it's incredibly sad to watch. these people perfectly kind of salt of the earth americans who have absolutely no relationship to anything that glenn miller and his pals worry about, you know, and they're just wiped off the face of the earth. i mean, it is a terrible, terrible thing to see. you know, i guess i come away with a feeling of real deep contempt for the man who did this based on an ideology that has absolutely no basis in any reality. >> yeah. i think we all share those sentiments. mark potov, thank you. we'll be right back. ♪

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country. the takeover of a police station mirrored similar takeovers of government buildings in the eastern part of ukraine over the weekend. the scenes there of sometimes violent demands for referendums on autonomy were very similar to those we saw before russia's annexation of crimea. the country's interim president has asked for u.n. peacekeepers to intercreed after separatists ignored a deadline to vacate government buildings across the east. russian officials deny any involvement. instead, they claim a visit by cia director jon brennan over the weekend proves it's the u.s. that's involved in the violence. moments ago the white house confirmed that brennan was in kiev over the weekend, but it denies brennan had any contact with ukrainian officials regarding military tactics. when it comes to evidence of russian involvement, u.s. officials point to the high level of coordination of the attacks. also, the fact that many of those seen participating in the violence in the streets were

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>> she's the great granddaughter of nikita kruschev. >> what do you think vladimir putinin's end game is here? what does he want? >> he wants power. he wants to be recognized as a very powerful man. the one who could stand up to the west, especially the united states. it's not so much interestingly muff, it's not so much european fwam or that barack obama was right to say that he is a regional -- russia is regional power, but for him it's all to show to the united states that he can do -- he is strong, and it's not just the united states that can take over countries. >> does he want to take over all of ukraine? >> i have been arguing for a lock, long time that he doesn't. however, i have always been arguing, and i think we still --

that danger is that if parts of ukraine become available that he would take them over where there is technically officially there is call for referendum for an exation. we also witness that in those places actually there's want even so much the call for anextation by russia, but more independence of the region. not necessarily they want to get out of ukraine, and i think he wants to destabilize the central government and to tell them that he knows how to keep the ukraine intact, but they have to listen to him. >> and there's this weird sort of dynamic that vladimir putin is trying to create where he is saying, well, you know, most of the ukrainians are truly russian and want to be with us, and then also sort of playing this nazi card against the opposition. explain that a little bit. >> well, it is kind of -- russia is very good at propaganda. it has always been great on propaganda. soviet, putin, they're wonderful at that. they can argue -- they can make

both arguments with both sides of their mouths, and somehow they actually get through because once you breed nationalists, marshallists breed nationalists. they accuse ukrainians of being nationalists, but then russians become nationalists and the ukrainians in return. we do know that's how wars start all over the world, and russia is not particularly different. they're very good at knowing how to really hit it right here to the nation saying, well, the west is out to get us. that kind of victimization complex always works very well with the russians. sflu bring up a good point because this question of war and what the west will do to russians, i want to play you a little something that senator john mccain said over the weekend because there is this faction within the american political community that says we are not being tough enough against russia, and let's listen to what john mccain believed we should be doing. >> we are at least, for god sake, give them some weapons, light weapons, with which to

defend themselves. so far this administration has wanted done that, but they won't even share some intelligence with the ukrainian government. ly tell you from my conversations with people in government, they feel abandoned by us, and rightfully so. >> should the u.s. be somehow arming elements in ukraine? >> i don't think so. i think if anybody is arming anybody, it should be really nato call, united nations call to be the international organizations because what putinin did effectively is that he stepped out of international order and said i am going to do it on my own. so the international order should really catch up with him and really start doing what they've been saying they would be doing. that is, to support ukraine to help ukraine. i really think we should be waiting for april 17th and see what there's multiple talks between russia and europe and switzerland are going to come to. i think that's what putin is waiting for.

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hampshire. the event sponsored by citizens united and koch funded americans for prosperity could be a good first hint about gop strategy to get back into the white house. >> if you want to be consistent, if you want to grow the movement, we cannot be the party of fat cats, rich people, and wall street. >> of course, not everyone got the rebranding memo. >> my gosh, i'm beginning to think that there's more freedom in north korea sometimes than there is in the united states. >> the american people, i believe, are rising up. they're fed up with washington. they're fed up with career politicians in both parties. >> see, in 2012 mitt romney won a huge majority of the white vote, trouncing president obama by 20 points, but he still lost the election. that's because president obama built a powerful coalition of nonwhite voters, and he carried 80% of that vote. based with that reality and changing demographics in the

next two years, who will republicans count on for a winning coalition? how can they build a new party with the same old message? joining me now nbc news senior political editor mark murray. i want to dig into these numbers a little bit because they are actually really fascinating. when you look at barack obama's coalition, 93% of the african-american vote, 73% of the asian-american vote, 71% or so among latinos, 60% of 18 to 29-year-olds and 54% of female voters. for republicans is there any part of that coalition that you see them making progress as of now? >> well, it depends on who the candidates are, and, joy, i'm a big believer that candidates still matter, and candidates are the ones who end up defining the political party and what it stands for and then sometimes the demographics break either way, and so republicans who really want to grow the coalition, some of them are looking at jeb bush because of his stance on immigration reform and theb the ability to maybe get to the levels that his brother got in 2000 and 2004 with latinos.

there's a lock at someone like marco rubio to be able to do the trick as well. rand paul says it comes down to talking more about libertarianism and about reducing drugs and those kind of laws and nsa surveillance. there are all these republicans who have a different path, but you are right. demographics is destiny, and to me the thing that is most strike issing that the number of the percentage of the white vote continues to decline. it goes from 85% in 19 88, and that's when george h.w. bush destroyed michael dukakis to 72% in 2012 when barack obama ended up beating mitt romney. a lot of people peg it that it's going to go down to 70% in 2016 and then 68% or 67% in 2020, and this is the big problem for republicans going forward. >> yeah. absolutely. then when you look sort of within that demographic, i mean, barack obama just did absolutely terribly with so many white voters and still won by almost five million votes. you are talking about doing the

least democratic group right now among the white voters. married noncollege educated men, married noncollege women, and married college men. barack obama just lost by catastrophic numbers among those groups. democrats only got about 40% to 43% of the sort of medium white vote, meaning single noncollege educated men and marriage college educated women. the only groups that democrats did well with that president obama did well with in the last election were single noncollege educated women, some college educated men, and single college ed women. you are talking essentially about a party, when you are talking about the republicans, who have to appeal to sort of the noncollege educated white vote, which is, a, shrinking, and, b, becoming less religious, less married. all of the markers of republicanism are actually declining, and they're not really appealing to those single women and the parts of the party they need to add. >> republican pollsters who have been looking at this issue say that in a lot of ways the republican party has almost macked out the white vote. yes, there are maybe some they

could have gotten more in 2012, and there's an election analyst of r real clear politics that said there were white voters this did not show up in 2012 versus 2008. even he admits that had they turned out in their 2008 levels that barack obama still would have won, and then, of course, as you extrapolate the future elections, come 2016, 2020 when that white population ends up decreasing, then all of a sudden barack obama could end up losing the white vote by 20 points and still comfortably win a presidential election. come 2016 you could lose it by 222 or 23 points, joy. that's the power of demographics. you and i haven't even talked about hillary clinton. if she decides to run for the presidency and maybe overperforming among white voters in a way in had which barack obama could not in 2012 would even be a bigger hurdle for republicans. >> yeah. indeed. nbc senior political editor mark murray, thanks so much. >> thanks, joy. now, ever since president obama proved for a second time in a row that elections can be

won without a majority of white voters, republicans have been scrambling to build a diverse coalition of their own. here's more from senator rand paul from new hampshire over the weekend at the freedom summit. >> parts of our message has to reach out to people who we haven't been hitting, who haven't been listening. the door is not going to open up to the african-american community or the hispanic community until we have something to offer. if you look at the war on drugs, three out of four people in prison are black or brown, but your kids and grandkids aren't perfect either. the police don't come to your neighborhoods. you get a better lawyer. these are some injustices. we have been people that have been concerned about injustice. we've got to be concerned about people who may not be part of our group here. may not be here today if we want to grow our message. >> likewise, florida governor -- former florida governor jeb bush is now fully out on a limb talking about immigration, an issue that and he his brother george both know that the gop needs to embrace if it wants to

grow in support among latinos. the -- good luck convincing the rest of the party. at the state level republicans are busy enacting exactly the kind of agenda that turns women and minority voters off. joining me to discuss that is republican strategist noel nickpor and salina maxwell, analyst and contributor to the greo.com. i want to start with you. how does it square in your view this absolute need for your party to grow its numbers among latinos and this soundbyte that i want to play you from donald trump, someone who will never be president, talking about jeb bush, somebody who may want to be president. take a listen. >> you know, i heard jeb bush the other day, and he was talking about people that come into this country illegally, they do it for love. i said say it again. i didn't get -- that's one i

have never heard of before. i have heard a lot. i've heard money. i've heard this. i've heard sex. i've heard everything, but one thing i never heard of was love. i understand what he is saying, but, you know, it's out there. >> noel, a, the branding of having donald trump still speaking for and to the republican party, and, b, did you hear the booing about jeb bush when he is talking about immigration? is that helpful to your party? >> well, no. i mean, i wrote a book called "branding america" and one of the things that i desperately said is the gop needs to change its brand, and donald trump saying these things, it was assanine the things that he said, and it's not the way that we need to reach out and rebrand our party. i mean, once again, it's another dividing wall. we all know what jeb bush was talking about. however, i any it was kind of silly the way jeb bush made his words, but i do get his point, and we do need to get right. the gop needs to get right on immigration. we need to get right on reaching

out to minorities. we're not doing a good job, and part of the problem is, joy, you know, is anybody at the rnc welcoming minorities and groups to come and do outreach programs? who is doing the outreach programs? >> yeah. you know, noelle, sounds so reasonable and so smart, but when you look at what's happening with the states, you are seeing voter id laws that help make it harder for minorities to vote. you are seeing laws that have to do with boeshs regulating women's reproduction. you are seeing no change at all in terms of the agenda. how do you square that? >> that's in part because we're living in a post-citizens united world in which big money really blankets the states with sponsored legislation, and rand paul and jeb bush are trying to be the sensible alternative to ted cruz. they're trying to placate the tea party base, and then be able to go into a general election potentially and still be competitive. the problem is that the sdns between the electorate that will get them the gop primary nomination and the general election is like the grand

canyon, and they're having a really tough time squaring the rhetoric with really the policy position that is need to be supported here. it's not that jeb bush can say something nice about immigration and being an act of love. it's what policy positions is the republican party going to put forth to back that up and to moderate really the position on, you know, self-deportation. we don't need to be hearing that any longer. >> i mean, going back just a second because i think it's fairly ob yushgs and you made the point too on immigration. people understand that. we can argue back and forth about voter id, and would i like to talk to you about that. just go for a moment to women. you do have in your party now a new launch saying they would like to recruit an army of young women to go out and make the case for the gop. what will the content of that message be when there is still so much talk about things like abortion and even contra accepting coming out of the mouths of republican men? >> jeez. you know what, i actually as a woman i resent the fact that men are commenting on contraception when it comes to women?

it's our issue. it's our ballgame. joy, one of the things that i'm hearing, you know, on the street, and i do work in republican campaigns, and i hear that women are very disgusted. they're very upset. wonder whatting the gop has for manager? what do they have to offer? that's one of the problems that we have, but, joy, this is also a problem that we're having with minorities, with hispanics, with the youth vote. i mean, we're not getting real. a lot of the problem is, joy, who is the rnc? who are they listening to? that's the problem. who are they listening to about, you know, rolling out something on these issues that are going to attract people and then are going to give answers? >> it sounds certainly like what they're listening to is people saying we can fix this by essentially making it harder for these various groups to vote. >> and also if we tone down the rhetoric a little so if we don't say legitimate rape, then that makes our positions on women okay. the problem is that, you know, rand paul's father ron paul

talked about honest rape, and then we had legitimate rape. that was rhetoric that coupled itself with policy positions because they believe in a personhood and no exceptions for rape and incest and so that's the logical follow-up, and that's the problem for them. it's the policy, the core policy positions that they have as a party that alienate women and people of color. they can soften the rhetoric, but the policy is what they really need to work on. >> thanks for being here, and i think i have a proposal for the gop and how they might be able to fix things. i think noelle is the person they need to be lisping to. thank you so much for being here. >> thanks. all right. next, we will read between the lines on the perils of facing states whose governors -- the perils facing people in states whose governors have refused the expansion of medicaid. [ female announcer ] who are we? we are the thinkers. the job jugglers. the up all-nighters. and the ones who turn ideas into action. we've made our passions our life's work. we strive for the moments where we can say, "i did it!"

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if you are not from orlando, florida, you have probably never heard of charlene dill.

she was mother to age 3 to 9 and worked a low income job and often picked up extra work. what people in florida called a side hustle to sum mept her income. while working one of the side jobs selling vacuum cleaners door to door for a commission, charlene dill collapsed from a heart attack on a stranger's floor and died. here's how the orlando weekly reported her story. dill's death was not unpredictable, nor was it unpreventible. she had a documented heart condition for which she took medication. but she also happened to be one of the people who fall within the gap created by the 2012 u.s. supreme court ruling that allowed states to opt out of medicaid expansion, which was a key part of the affordable care act's intention to make health care available to everyone. in al24 states have tin the opt out that the supreme court gave them and refused to expand medicaid. for florida, where nearly one million of the five million

americans being denied health care under the medicaid expansion live, that amounted to $51 billion in federal dollars over ten years, rejected by the state's republican-controlled legislature. it means that people like charlene dill, people who work but do not make enough money to qualify for the affordable care act subsidies, are victims of a political war. one that puts the lives and health of up to 17,000 u.s. residents and 2,000 florians annually in jeopardy all in the name of rebelling against president barack obama's health care plan. ae post about charlene's story went viral only to drop off the media and political radar soon after. he thinks democrats are making a huge mistake by allowing her story to fade away, and he contrasts the democratic party's red sense with the exuberance of conservative groups like the koch-fronted americans for

prosperity. writing that "unlike afp's obama care horror stories, which seem invariably to refute themselves once the omitted facts emerge, medicaid gap horror stories like dill's are fairly unambiguous at least until the claim that individual victims died because of republican party. people either qualify for medicaid or they don't. they either qualify for premium tax every tax credits or they don't. either they're insured or not when disaster strikes. it's completely uncontroversial to argue that dill would have had a more fighting chance of survival if florida republicans hadn't refused the expansion against state interests. perhaps it's time for democrats to remember charlene dill. that wraps things up for the reid report. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. eastern where we'll have coverage as the nation marks one year since the boston marathon bombing. be sure to visit us on-line at the reid report.msnbc.com and the cycle is up next. say, hikelists, what do you have going on today?

>> we have a lot going on. we're going to talk about the plane and politics. we're also going to talk about that nevada rancher story you heard a lot about. very strong feelings because some people on our team know what it's like to live out there in that utah, nevada area. >> i wonder who. >> somebody actually said to us get your hand out of the corridor, so we're going to break that down, and also, you know, i think when jeb bush talks about immigration as an act of love, he is absolutely right. we're going to dig into that. >> absolutely. every so often jeb bush gets it right, and i cannot wait to hear what the cycle has to say. the cycle is up next. this is interesting.

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the rest. i'm krystal ball, and we'll have more on the sitdown with kathleen sebelius, and including what she told the president. horror to start one of the holyist. a white supremacist goes on a shooting rampage of two jewish sisters. we have the latest on this tragedy that once again has the attention of the president. we'll have his comments and some of the first woudz from the heart broken families. >> and we're going to spin today about a wild weekend out west. federal authorities in a standoff with hundreds of armed protesters over cattle deep in the nevada desert. i'm abby huntsman. those protesters are claiming vikt, while many others are scratching their heads. >> all that, plus do not adjust your set. i'm going to tell you why jeb bush is right. >> hmm.