this is "now." >> i have no estimate on when this will be behind me because i don't get to decide. >> breaking news. district attorney cyrus vance jr. has issued a subpoena last month for records from the port authority of new york of new jersey. >> we have the new york federal prosecutor and the new jersey federal prosecutor all working a piece of the case. it sounds like there's something here. >> on the part of mr. wildstein and ms. kelly, some type of nefarious, inappropriate motivation. >> david wildstein who was tossed under the bus by the governor and by his staff, has become an enemy now of governor christie. >> why don't you just get to the question, cut the commentary back a little. >> if anybody is going to do damage, it's going to be david wildstein. >> the political context in this is that chris christie is very much hoping to resume his political career. >> i have no estimate on when this will be behind me because i don't get to decide. >> it sounds like this cloud is

going to be over his head for the indefinite future. >> in the serial drama that is the new jersey governor's office, each week, each new week brings a new twist. manhattan's district attorney is now the latest to probe potential wrong doing involving chris christie's administration and his senior appointees. nbc news has confirmed that district attorney cyrus vance has issued a documents and records subpoena in an early stage inquiry related to major construction projects with the port authority of new york and new jersey. yes, that would be the very same port authority already under scrutiny in connection with the scandal known as bridgegate. the manhattan d.a. joins at least three other inquiries looking at christie's office and his appointees, including federal prosecutors at the u.s. attorney's office in newark, a special joint super committee of the new jersey legislature, and the port authority's own inspector general's office.

according to reporting by main justice, the district attorney has subpoenaed records involving the former chief assistant to christie's top appointee at the port authority, david sampson. the d.a., they write, is trying to connect the dots from sampson to the george washington bridge lane closures. the alleged threat to withhold superstorm sandy aid to hoboken over a real estate development deal sought bay client of sampson's law firm and a myriad conflict of other interests. the subpoenas were reportedly issued last month, the same month that david sampson tendered his rez neigh, saying in a statement, over the past months i have shared with the governor my desire to conclude my service to the port authority. the timing is now right and i am confident that the governor will put new leadership in place to address the many challenges ahead. indeed, there are many challenges indeed. today brought word of another resignation. nbc has confirmed what was first reported by "the wall street journal," that longtime port

authority commissioner anthony sartor, who has long-chaired the agency's subcommittee on world trade center development, submitted his resignation today. all of them comes amid the latest development in the legislative supercommittee's investigation. the law firm hired by christie's office to execute an internal review has just this afternoon released its interview memoranda, notes from the 75 interviews the firm conducted in its taxpayer funded vindication of the governor in bridgegate. including interview notes with chris christie himself. joining me now is senior political reporter for nj.com, darrell isherwood, and mary jacobe. let's start with all of these hundreds of pages of the interview memoranda. most i think interesting to people out there who have been

following the serial drama that we call it is the interview with the -- or the summary of the governor with himself. a couple things stick out to me. christie says in his recollection with lawyers, after their testimony, and with the increased press attention, the governor recalled someone, though he does not recollect who, relaying that david wildstein had said something along the lines of, i'm not stupid, i got this cleared by the front office." mary, the "this" in that sentence seems to be bridgegate, although the who, in terms of who cleared it, is very much unknown. >> yes. like many of these -- much of the information that came out of this report, it's very incomplete. and it's tantalizing, but we don't know -- we don't have the full interview transcripts, and again, we just have little hints at what might have happened, but this being cleared by the front

office would indicate that there was direct political involvement in the lane closures. >> darrell, the other thing, one of the other many things that christie says apparently in the summary of the interviews, is oz september 11, there was famously a conversation. there's photo documentation between david wildstein and chris christie. and chris christie says in these notes that he remembers a conversation with wildstein. i don't think we are showing you the correct full screen here. but he remembers a conversation with david wildstein, although the only thing he really recollected about that conversation is that he directed his wife to the lady's room. nothing about the bridgelane closures. but at least some acknowledgement on the part of the governor that he did speak to david wildstein on the day in question. >> i don't think there's any question, too, because we've all seen the picture. i think there's a picture of the governor and a bunch of other people, including david wildstein standing there.

somebody's got their head thrown back laughing. kind of behind the scenes at that memorial. that's one of the things that -- one of the enduring mysteries of this whole thing is what was actually said on september 11, because it's right in the middle of the thing. the lane diversions happened from september 9th through september 13th, so right in the middle of the thing. the culprit, so to speak, david wildstein, if we're to believe the report, is with the governor at that time and claims hey, i talked to this guy about this. now, who knows what he said. hey, governor, we got a little traffic at ft. lee that's got some people up in arms. or hey, i'm going after the mayor of ft. lee, you onboard? we don't know what he said. >> right. but i will say it is going to just -- i mean, insofar as this has become a he said, he said, this just ups the ante on this. we have the governor's version of events and someone somewhere has david wildstein's versions of precisely what transpired between the two men. i want to talk, mary, about the

latest investigation. there are now four going on. this inquiry is being conducted by the rackets division. and that brings to bear an additional staff of seasoned corruption investigators. this is, of course, the investigation we began this with, the cyrus vance investigation. in the end, it seems like the gravity of this investigation and the scope of this could actually be more damning for the christie investigation than anything we're talking about in terms of bridgegate. >> yes. what the manhattan d.a.'s office is looking at really goes to the heart of the matter. were there -- apparently, from the documents request, it looks like they're looking at the role of wolfon sampson, an interception between that law firm and its clients, or any political benefits to the christie administration. so when you have something you can trace, it's a quid pro quo, something given for something else. that is where you get the most

likelihood of charges coming forward. >> and mary, you guys have reported on this. the introduction of david sampson here is very interesting. he could be a lynch pin in all of these stories, insofar as he has been involved in -- and you guys have reported this, that the manhattan d.a. may be trying to connect sampson to not only the bridge lane closings, the alleged threat to withhold superstorm sandy aid, which mayor dawn zimmer brought forward, and the other potential conflicts that may have involved the port authority and potential developers. >> right. i mean, i sort of think of it as a trinity of interests here. we've got sampson on the port authority, who works for christie and sort of for his law firm in a sense, in that he is in a position to make decisions or order decisions or actions that could affect his law firm clients. he also is in a position to make decisions that could affect the political fortunes of christie,

and christie's political fortunes can intersect with the desires of wolfon sampson's clients to get things like development projects. who knows what, we just don't know yet. that really is the crux of the matter. and the focus on sampson -- we still don't know why the ft. lee bridge lanes were closed precisely, and it could have something to do with that trinity i just described. >> darrell, the other thing is that sampson resigned as chairman on march 28th, and that was sort of a flurry of one of -- his first press conference after the mea culpa in early january. a lot of people said i wonder why now, david sampson is resigning. this would certainly seem to cast some interesting -- it opens up a new dimension in that resignation. >> sure. it could explain the timing anyway. we talked about this before. they had to get david sampson out of that role at some point, because all of these continual

stories of these alleged conflicts of interest were just not looking good for anybody, not for the governor, not for sampson, not for the port authority. and so they had to get him out of there at some point, and, you know, why it happened that day, we don't know. but this could shed some light on that if it's very soon after these subpoenas are issued. and this all along has been the underlying risk for the administration. and, you know, for the port authority. i mean, how much was david samson dealing on behalf of his own law firm? i mean, certainly, there are some allegations out there that he was kind of working both sides of a couple of different deals. that has always been a big risk here. that's the sort of stuff that real crimes are made of. not to suggest that david samson has committed any crimes, we obviously don't know that. but that's the kind of stuff that real crimes are made of. yeah, this bridge thing, it's bad, a lot of people were inconvenienced. but whether there's actual criminal activity that came out

of it, it may be a stretch. >> as wnyc reports, records showed that david samson voted to approve a $256 million pass station in harrison that could end up benefiting two private clients of his firm. there are going to be a lot of questions about why and when and why david samson did not recuse himself from some of these decisions, mary. >> yes, and that's probably the best example we have of where there could be a potential charge or a quid pro quo, because there's a couple -- there's state laws against fraud. there is a federal law on a services fraud, which is used to prosecute public corruption. it's where you find that an official action was taken to benefit someone. and there would certainly be a connection if it turns out to be true that david samson pushed through this rail station funding agreement, and it benefits a client of the law firm who wanted to build on that area. then that would be pretty

significant, i think. >> every day brings -- i mean, this is getting to be a chorus that everyone is tired of hearing, but every day brings literally a new development in this. darryl and mary, thank you for your time and thoughts. after the break, authorities now say there is enough evidence to warrant hate crime charges in yesterday's deadly shooting in kansas. we will discuss the roots and the reach of hate groups in america with the director of the center for extremism at the anti-defamation league. that's next on "now." red lobster's new seafood trios is three times delicious! choose one option from the wood-fire grill, one signature shrimp dish, and a pasta like new lobster mac and cheese. three choices all on one plate. just $15.99. for a limited time only! you can build it any way that you like, pick your three favorite things. it is spectacular! i'm nathan tavernaris and i sea food differently.

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facilities in overland park, kansas. >> we have unquestionably determined through the work of local and federal law enforcement agencies that this was a hate crime. >> the perpetrator is believed to be 73-year-old frazier glenn cross jr., who also went by the alias frazier glenn miller, and he was no stranger to law enforcement. in the 1980s, cross founded and was the grand dragon of the carolina knights of the ku klux klan. cross seen here with a bull horn founded the white patriot party, one of the first to engage in paramilitary training. he spent three years in federal prison on weapons charges and for planning to assassinate is founder of the southern poverty law center, morris deeves. in the past decade, he posted over 12,000 messages on an extremist website and he was the publisher of the arian alternative, a racist news letter he started in 2005. cross also made several bids very long shots to hold elected

office. in 2006, he received 23 write-in votes as a candidate for a missouri house seat. four years later, cross received seven write-in votes in a 2010 run for the united states senate. during that campaign, cross bought ad time on a few local kansas city radio stations, ads which attracted the attention of howard stern. cross appeared on stern's show in april of that year. >> as far as the jewish problem, all the problems are mere distractions, including the problems we have with black crime, for example. they control the federal government. they control the mass media. they control the federal reserve bank. and commit genocide against the white race. >> last year, there were 939 hate groups across the u.s. according to the southern poverty law center, that number has increased 56% since the year 2000. joining me now is the director

of the anti-defamation league center on extremism, orin segal. thanks for joining me. >> thanks for having me. >> this con found a lot of people. why the rise of hate groups? what causes this? it's not geography. what are the major factors, as you've isolated? >> the last five years, the surge in anti-government and white supremacist groups, it's probably because of the election of barack obama twice. the economy is faltering and people are angry. so when people are looking for scapegoats, they often find anti-government groups or groups that try to blame they issues on others. so that's why white supremacist groups, their agitation has gone up quite a bit. >> i think a lot of people are surprised to know that not only was this man involved in the ku klux klan, a lot of folks think is a vestige of yesteryear, but

that he founded an organization and a lot of these supremacist groups are armed and training. >> the reality with him, is he was last involved with that paramilitary training with others 20 years ago. i mean, the last 15 years or so, he was really ostracized from the white supremacist movement in part because they viewed him as a snitch. so he didn't have the ability to lead groups of people in the last 15 years. he still tried to put out his hatred and anti-semitism through the internet, but he didn't have the audience he once had. so he's very similar to james von brun, the guy who shot up the holocaust memorial five years ago. guys that are past their prime, their don't necessarily have a group they're with, but still cling on to this hatred that made them what they were in their sort of quote unquote glory days. >> what's interesting about cross's history of hate, it's really peculiar.

at one point in that howard stern interview, he said he had a great deal of respect for muslim people and then called adolf hitler the greatest man who ever walked the earth. we think of blanket hatred against all minorities, people of color, certain religions, but it seemed like cross's hate was really focused, it was very specifically anti-semitic hatred, which seems -- is that strange to you that he would isolate that particular group of people, the jewish people? >> it's not unique for somebody to particularly focus their hatred on the jewish people. i wouldn't necessarily say something that he said on a howard stern show meant that he wasn't expressing hatred towards others, african-americans and others as well. but certainly the jewish community in particular is often singled out because these extremists believe that somehow the jews control everything. so that's a very convenient thing for them to place their hatred on. >> certainly, anti-semitism has long roots and i didn't mean to

question that, but the notion that he would support certain -- i mean, there are a lot of hate groups that focus specifically on muslim americans or muslims around the world, and the fact that he had chosen -- and i think to your point, the jewish people because of the sense that they represented this larger sort of onerous, dangerous power that he was victim to in some way. we know that he talked about obamacare and he had a hatred of that sort of wing of the federal government, which will come as no surprise. but do you think that this kind of strain of extremism dove tails with anything else we're seeing in society in and around fringe movements that take issue with the federal government? >> i mean, sure. we have an increase in anti-government groups and sovereign groups. these are people who sort of believe that the government is completely illegitimate. those numbers have increased. the violence in that organization, that movement has increased. law enforcement in particular. so we've seen those groups sort

of continue to grow. anti-se anti-semitism is part of most extremist movements. if you look at lone wolf attacks, you have lone wolf attacks, people acting on their own that come from islamic extremist groups, white supremacist groups and those are the most differently to stop. >> what pushes a lone wolf into the actual attack? i mean, the southern poverty law center put some of the blame on certain forms of media. they write the growth in mainstream has been aided by mainstream figures and politicians who have false propaganda about immigrants and other minorities. there are plenty of fringe radio conservative talk show hosts who expound wild theories about the federal reserve, about the power of the government, about sort of paramilitary government organizations coming in the middle of the night to do things to american citizens. those have also proved wildly popular in some corners of american society. do you put the blame on their doorstep? >> i don't think we can just put

the blame there. those people that you're talking about have a very, very massive audience and we're still talking about a very fringe element here in terms of those willing to carry out criminal activity. i do think individuals were self-radicalized. a lot of them find the time to radicalize online, so they are getting sort of everything that they need, the ideology, the tactics, and the community that they would normally -- one would think you'd get outside of your house, people are increasingly self-radicalizing in their home. so even a guy like glenn miller, outside of the white supremacist movement for 50 years, he still held on to those believes and still has a venue to get that hatred out and maybe that is what sort of kept him with his eye on the ball in terms of hating the jews. >> let me ask one last question, because i found this incredibly strange. from our initial reports, cross's wife was not a radicalized anti-semimite, nte. one would think that your life partner would share the same

world view. when you talk about lone wolf attacks, what kind of environments do they put themselves in? >> i would have to think about how many lone wolves have actually married. i'm not sure how many are. am i surprised to hear that his wife was not -- didn't have the same believes? yeah, it is a little surprising. but i also know that he just suffered the loss of two of his children. he had no respect in the movement. he had financial problems. all those things lead people to potentially be aggressive, and his whole history of hating jews, maybe that was why he ended up targeting a jewish community. >> indeed. orin segal, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. just ahead, despite all the conservative belly aching, florida's former governor jeb bush is standing by his recent assertion that for many immigrant families coming to this country illegally is an act of love. for the rest of his party, concern for the undocumented has been anything but. film maker alexander pelosi goes on the road with the men and women trying to put reform back

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the american dream are not bad people. >> if they came into this country illegally -- >> here's what i would finish it up with. they're not bad people. however, we can't invite the whole world. when you say they're doing an act of love and you don't follow it up with, but we have to control the border, people think, well, because they're doing this for kind reasons, the whole world can come to our country. >> you know, i heard jeb bush the other day. and he was talking about people that come into this country illegally, they do it for love. that's one i've never heard of before. i've heard a lot. i've heard money. i've heard this. i've heard sex. i've heard everything. the one thing i never heard of was love. >> that's not that surprising. never minding the periodic and ridiculous outbursts from the gop, actual immigration activists are not giving up on reform. fast for families, the coalition that led a month-long fast ended a nationwide bus tour on

wednesday in washington, d.c. one aimed at putting pressure on members of congress to finally actually take action. alexander pelosi traveled with the group last week. >> so for the past six weeks, we've been touring the country. we've had two buses that have visited over 75 congressional districts, 32 different states to urge them to move on immigration reform. we need a vote and we need a vote now. >> we live in a democracy that's not a dictatorship or small group of republicans don't have the right to hold the rest of the country hostage. >> it's been a long journey. >> it's a moral issue, just like civil rights, it's a moral issue. martin luther king jr., if he were alive with us, would be on the bus today. >> immigration reform is one of the greatest civil rights fights of our era. >> i want my kids to be better than me, because this is my dream. and my kids also. not bad, just maybe the bad they do is coming here. >> this is a religious issue,

that's why i as a faith leader have joined this fight. it's not a matter of whether it will happen, it's a matter of when it will happen. and the reason why we say that is we go back to the movements of the past. we go back to the abolitionist movement. we go back to the suffrage movement. we go back to the civil rights movement. we go back to the farm workers movement. and we know that we are in that lineage. >> we don't come here to vacation. we build here to build this nation. for some people, the american dream is becoming a nightmare. because families are being torn apart. this is not a game. we're talking about real lives. talking about real people. talking about real families. because each and every one of us have a family. >> i think it's time that many families just like mine stop living in the shadows. i think it's time that congress

should pass a vote. we just want to live freely like any other family here. >> every day that goes by, more people die, more families will be separated, and we're not the kind of america that just lets people die needlessly or tears families apart. we need a vote. we need it now. >> joining me now is film maker alexander pelosi and nbc's casey hunt. thank you, ladies, for joining me. alexandra, i think what a lot of people don't seem to understand, i think it was lisa sharon harper so eloquently put into words, which is that they see the immigration reform movement along the same lines as the suffrage movement, the abolit n abolitionist movement. this is a civil rights struggle for these families. how angry are they at this moment given the frustrated process in washington, d.c.? >> they are very angry. i think most people that watch cable news don't really realize how angry america is right now. and it's really frustrating because you have these people's

families being torn apart. 1,100 deportations a day. 11 million undocumented people in america. and congress is doing nothing. and the point is, every time you see a poll about congress, the poll numbers -- everyone hates congress, right? >> there are a few things you can hate more than congress. >> very unpopular. this is why washington is so unpopular. because they're not listening to america. america wants something that -- forget about what your position is. people know we need to do something. and nothing's been done and that's why people are so angry with washington. >> let me just follow up on that, because you mentioned the deportation numbers. there's certainly a huge warranted amount of anger directed at the republican party, because this senate bipartisan effort failed in the house because boehner won't take it up. but there's also the latest statistics we have from "the new york times" 2/3 of the deportations being conducted under this administration involve minor infractions or no crimes at all.

it feels like the advocacy community and activist community basically sat on the sidelines for a few years of this administration and said look, we have a really good advocate in the white house. we just need to be patient. it feels like the clock has run out on that patience. >> right. and now the president is in this terrible catch 22, because they say he should be doing something with deportations. but if he does, republicans will say look, we can't trust him, so we can't negotiate with him to do comprehensive immigration reform. so it's a lose/lose. >> you know, casey, it's clear that republicans -- replayed sound from rand paul and that excellent sound from donald trump. money and sex he's heard about, but not the love part. none of that is surprising to me. republicans know that they need to do something here, right? jeb bush i think has been the most proactive and the most far center on the issuing but even rand paul in his own rand paulian way tried to not be completely dismissive of the idea that they're human beings involved here. >> right. and paul sort of had a broader message, too. at that summit, he talked about

how the republican party need to reach out to hispanics and to african-americans. they have to grow the party if they're going to continue to survive. and house speaker john boehner knows that. privately, he's been pushing behind the scenes to get something done. i mean, i think republicans are very aware -- at least the republicans who are in charge of the party, the establishment, if you will, that if they don't do something about this, if they are perceived to be the party that is refusing to do anything about this, they're going to really struggle to win elections going forward. >> what's the timeframe, though, on someone actually doing something? some people would say -- i think greg sargent put it this way on friday, that the house basically -- they have to do something on immigration before 2016. >> well, if you look at heading into these midterm elections, there is also a sense that republicans have a pretty good shot to take back the senate. and if you think about what the dynamic on this issue would be if that were to happen, it's a completely changed game, and that may be part of why the house is more reluctant to move,

because if republicans can pass a republican-supported immigration reform bill, then that puts the president in the position of having to maybe sign something that he doesn't necessarily support or that immigration reform groups would be against because maybe it doesn't include a path to citizenship. maybe it's only legalization. >> how eager, alexandra, did you get -- i mean, what was the sense of your sense of how much would be enough for the reform community or the activist community? would just dealing with the dreamers be enough? is there still a belief in a sense that a comprehensive reform package is possible, or is it -- at this point is something anything? >> i think it's something's anything. depends on who you go to. that's why half of the activists have just split and gone to the white house to sit and protest the president now because they're so angry with him. because they're saying just anything to stop the deportations, that's all we want. so that's not the same group that's on capitol hill fasting, trying to get the house to act. so i think it just depends on

who you ask. but i think for everyone involved, they should just do something. anything. >> right. >> the something anything strategy. i've got to say, kasie, i feel like the biggest problem for the gop in this, other than the actual legislative process, is as much as you have people like jeb bush coming out and putting a kinder, softer, gentler face on the republican party on immigration reform, then you get the sort of fringe hardcore conservatives, the steve kings of the world, the louie gohmerts of the world, who end up saying these crazy incendiary things that then the rest of the party has to apologize for. or if not apologize, then half apologize for. so if there was any process that it has begun, it is totally sighmied. >> you do have these characters like steve king, but you also have a significant chunk of the republican base that is not interested in comprehensive immigration reform and that's the bigger problem for the party as a whole. that's who you saw in the crowd booing jeb bush when he was

mentioned up there at the freedom summit in new hampshire. >> you know at that moment, all the moderate republicans were like don't boo that guy! or maybe. i don't know, i wasn't there. but that's what i'd think. >> there seems to be a lot of angst for jeb bush among certain segments of the republican parties. >> and so i can understand that if they're hearing donald trump speak. thank you both for your time. >> thank you. coming up, as the assad government hands over another batch of chemical weapons, there are disturbing new reports of a poison gas attack in central syria. the details on that are coming up next. little things, anyone can do. it steals your memories. your independence. insures support. a breakthrough. and sooner than you'd like... ...sooner than you think. ...you die from alzheimer's disease. ...we cure alzheimer's disease. every little click, call, or donation adds up to something big. alzheimer's association. the brains behind saving yours.

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this morning, the latest shipment of chemical weapons left syria to be deinduststroye. it raises it to nearly 2/3 of the country's total stockpile, but the international group overseeing the disarmaments of the process is behind schedule and must speed up significantly in order nor syria to meet its deadline to turn over all chemical weapons by the end of this month. the shipment comes as the u.s.

investigates new claims of a chemical weapons attack on a rebel-held village in central syria. just a warning, the video you are about to see is graphic. a western-backed opposition group is claiming that a syrian government plane dropped chlorine gas on friday night. nbc news cannot independently confirm the amateur video released by rebel groups, which shows adults and children gasping for breath. meanwhile, state-run syrian tv is blaming rebel forces, specifically the al qaeda-linked front for the attack. the crisis in syria has now entered its fourth year and there are approximately 2.5 million refugees who have fled to neighboring countries. when we come back after the break, the still secret senate intelligence report on the cia's interrogation program is quickly becoming not so secret. i will speak with one of the reporters who first broke that story with jonathan landay. but first, bertha coombs.

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from 2011 to 2006, the cia embarked on a highly classified and highly controversial mission in which it flew alleged terrorist detainees across borders, took them to secret cia prisons, and used so-called enhanced interrogation techniques otherwise known as

torture. at the time, the agency and the white house defended the legality of these torture techniques based on a series of memos from the justice department. memos which gave the cia the green light to use certain methods of interrogation, including waterboarding. the senate intelligence committee's 6,300-page report on the program, the legal foundation used to justify forture is not only highly questionable, but it was also apparently based on flawed information provided by the cia itself. according to the senate report, the cia repeatedly provided inaccurate information for the department of justice, impeding a proper legal analysis of the cia's detention and interrogation program. the senate report also includes, that in addition to producing little to no valuable intelligence, the cia was using

interrogation methods that were not approved by the justice department or cia headquarters. the agency impeded effective white house oversight regarding the program. it actively evaded congressional oversight. and it hindered oversight by its own inspector general's office. earlier this month, the senate intelligence committee voted to declassify the report. president obama said he would like the declassification process to be expeditious. joining me now is senior national security and intelligence correspondent with the mcclatchy newspapers, jonathan landon. we have been talking about this report for weeks now, and you guys actually got a hold of parts of it. tell me, of the points that have been revealed to you, which do you find most distressing? >> first of all, i want to say this was a team effort with my partners marisa taylor and ali

watkins. what we got were the 20 key conclusions of the report that's been in the making for more than four years. some of it's known. as you've said, one of the things that people who have read the report, members of the committee have said, that the use of these so-called eits, enhanced interrogation techniques, which some people refer to as torture, produced little intelligence of any value. so what we focused on in our last piece was this finding that you cited, which questioned the entire legal basis of the eit program, of the program. because, as it says, or as the committee found out, the cia repeatedly provided inaccurate information to the justice department, which the justice department then took and used for the legal opinions on which the cia based its -- and this bush administration were able to say no, these are legal, these are not torture, and they don't

break any american laws. and it's interesting, because i was going back and doing some reading today, in 2008 the senate armed services committee produced its own report on the use of these methods, and it came up with a similar conclusion, which we've all kind of forgotten about. and this raises serious questions about, as a lot of people have said, the legality of the so-called techniques, including waterboarding, that were used on detainees. >> you know, the question i think for a lot of us, jonathan, will there be criminal proceedings? will anybody be held accountable for this? i'll quote some of your own reporting. the cia inspector general's may 7th, 2004, report, found that in waterboarding, the cia went beyond the parameters outlined to the doj, which, of course, wrote the legal opinions. to remind everybody, abu was

waterboarded 83 times. not only were we not getting the correct intelligence about what was happening to these men, it theoretically provided no valuable leads in terms of national security. where does this leave us as a country? are you confident or in any way do you think that criminal prosecution will be an inevitable step? >> we'll have to wait and see. don't forget, there was a special prosecutor who did go look at the question of the destruction of the tapes of the waterboarding sessions, and brought no charges as a consequence. but as a spin-off of that same investigation, he also looked at the deaths of two detainees, and again, there was no -- there were no criminal charges offered by the special prosecutor and he closed down his investigation. now, the question is whether or not the special prosecutor will go back and re-examine these cases and others because of

their other findings in these conclusions that are quite surprising, and serious. one of which is that a number of detainees, and we understand the number to be about 26, were not held according to the legal guideline, whatever those were, because those are still secret, that were established for this program. the other thing -- the other disturbing conclusion, another disturbing conclusion that the senate found, the senate committee found, was that the cia did not keep an accurate account of the number of detainees that passed through its hands during this period. so it's quite possible that a special prosecutor will reopen the examination of some of these cases. but again, we'll have to wait and see. >> it is -- we are waiting and we hope to see more. we do know that dianne feinstein has not had kind words to whoever leaked even these

points. she said today, if someone districted any part of this classified report, they broke the law and should be prosecuted. i intend to refer the matter to the department of justice. jonathan landay from mcclatchy, thank you so much for your time and your reporting. >> my pleasure. after the break, we just learned the latest winners of the pulitzer prize are -- that's coming up next.

just about an hour ago, "the washington post" and "the guardian" newspapers were awarded the prestigious pulitzer prize for public service reporting. it marks one of the highest honors for the paper's revelations about the scale of nsa surveillance obtained by leaks from former nsa contractor edward snowden. the two newspapers broke the story with huge front page banners in june of last year. "washington post" reporter barton gelman led a team of 28

reporters, while glen greenwald spearheaded coverage for the british daily. edward snowden said of the papers, "they have my gratitude and respect for their extraordinary service to our society. their work has given us a better future and a more accountable democracy." that's all for now. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota. i'm ready to go! let's get to work. we're having a national debate right now about the direction of this country. >> we have a unique opportunity to create a new conversation. >> you're thinking like a new republican. >> you may have recently gotten a tattoo. is there anything to that? >> i think every republican should have two words tattooed on their