years ago. there are the pictures to prove it. ford is marking the 50th anniversary to the mustang. that's it for "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. good morning. a beautiful, beautiful spring morning. it's april 16th. >> you're kidding me. >> where did you wake up? >> yeah. >> so, really -- >> let's to work. >> i love spring. you know, and last night, kids were like hanging out. so i put the windows up. no, i'm serious, i put it up. and at about 2:00 this morning, the kids are ya, ya, ya, i was freezing. and i jump up out of bed to go close the windows and it's snowing. >> it's snowing. >> and it's not just a flurry.

it's like big time. >> yeah. >> like i need a snow dog to get to work. snow. >> sticky snow. i came out to go to work, every car. we saw people with ice scrapers. it's april 16th. >> chicago's buried in snow. >> should we go to miami? >> yes, we should. >> for winter. >> from january 2nd through i would say april 1st. but obviously -- >> june the 1st. >> you get the miami -- >> i was try to be spring/summer optimistic. >> it didn't work. >> confident. and it still snowed on me. >> so how did the confidence code -- >> going great. 7.5 have taken the test in we launched. the biggest bump people taking

it during "morning joe" yesterday. >> i'm taken the quiz. i'm going to submit it. >> i just want to know if the chart goes high justify for your confidence. >> i'm a simple man. >> mike barnicle will tell you i care too much. >> it wreaks of compassion. >> aine site. anxiety. >> you know what, i'm going to take it. i'm ready to take a chance again as bari manilow says. >> an airfield in eastern ukraine is now under the control of that country's military as the government in kiev pushes back against pro-russian militants who seized official buildings in roughly one dozen cities there. talks are scheduled tomorrow between the russian and ukraine an governments with the united states and european union also involved. joining us from eastern ukraine nbc news correspondent jim maceda. what's the latest there? >> reporter: hi there.

today the situation remains fairly quiet really with both sides. the ukrainian military on one side. the ukrainian militants saying they want closer ties with russia on the other. both digging in and tightening their hold on areas they control. we all kind of jumped with reports of a russian-flag waving column of apc being greeted with cheers in slovyansk, another one of the occupied towns. it turns out these were ukraine an forces who switched allegian allegiances. and nearby in the area where the airfield is, this time carrying the ukrainian flag they were clearly on a show of force patrol. this area met by hostility by protesters who tried to block the vehicles. in the end there was a bit of a skuchle but no injuries and the patrol continued. and there have been no further attempts by the ukrainian

military to take back any of those police stations or city halls or other symbols of state power now occupied by the pro of had russian insurgents. both sides probably waiting to see what comes if anything from the 11th hour diplomacy playing out in geneva. >> jim maceda, thank you very much. and mike barnicle. the "wall street journal" reported that barack obama needs to do more about this. that wasn't a surprise. they've been part of that diplomacy for a better part of five years but i was surprised with the congresswoman running the center in washington, and also dr. brzezinski who has always urged restraint certainly over the past six, seven -- well, actually, since the beginning of the iraq war. but both yesterday critical of barack obama and said he's got to do more. the question is, what exactly what do we do? >> sanctions.

>> dr. brzezinski even suggested that we send a very public message to the ukrainian government. just if they have any requests for weaponry, defensive weaponry, to let us know. there say growing sense certainly among many that the president needs to sit back. >> i think everyone understands. what i don't understand is why isn't everybody calling angela merkel saying you've got to do more. why is it always justice why is it always on us to do it? when in fact the european union is right there and they ought to be doing equally as much as they can, which they're not. >> catty, obviously some hesitancy among the e.u. members why is that? >> europe has a 12 at the moment. a lot of countries in europe are still in recession. they're very nervous if they employ tough sanctions on russia, there will be retaliation in terms of gas

prices and other business deals and you'll see that fragile economy slip off the bank. it's very interesting when you go there, and i was there a couple weeks ago, there's no appetite for getting tough on russian. the french have defense ties. londen is overrun with russians at the moment spending a lot of money in the city of london. and germ manner, of course, has all the gas ties. none of them saying let's get tough on putin at the moment. and yet you've bought wes clark in "the new york times" saying exactly what dr. brzezinski said yesterday, that would be a big step. that's involvement. that's military involvement in the situation. >> turning to home, the front page of "the new york times" talks about a unit that was under fierce criticism over the past year of being dropped by the nypd. >> yeah, this is very interesting. here in new york, the largest police force in the country is turning over a new leaf.

according to the "the new york times," the nypd is abandoning a controversial surveillance program that had plain clothes officers spying on muslim communities in the city. it was put in place following the attacks of 9/11 was known as the demographics unit. detectives in the unit kept detailed files on where people in the muslim communities prayed and shopped but as the "times" points out, quote, after years of collecting information, the police acknowledge that it never generated a lead. and the department's efforts never led to any charges that a mosque or islamic organization was itself a terrorist enterprise. the mood marks a policy shift under mayor de blasio and commissioner william bratton. bratton says he intends to repair the relationship between the nypd and the communities that were damaged under the administration. >> another sign that the old guard out, bloomberg and ray kelly. i would guess if you asked ray

kelly about this unit he would not say there was never a lead developed. and, of course, maybe now is the time. there's a time, you know, for all things. but after 9/11, most new yorkers would want these units out there, i would suspect. >> yeah, this isn't a surprise to anybody. mayor de blasio as a candidate telegraphed this. now you have the combination of de blasio and bill bratton droppinging that appeal. and then the muslim unit being disbanded. i guess the intelligence officers will be integrated into the general intelligence pool. so they'll still be looking at threats but it won't be explicitly targeted to muslims. they'll still be out there monitoring people. >> it's interesting, the key for agents after september 11th, and ray kelly and the new york city police department, as well as all new yorkers were, yes, let's

do this. let's make sure the police department is up to speed on all sorts of intelligence gathering. yet today with johnny miller, they're working with bill bratton, they're more community-focused. they know they'll get more information out of the community by living in the community rather than spying on community. >> are you surprised, mike, knowing all the players involved that commissioner bratton especially has explicitly gone out and said we're not going to be like ray kelly? we're turning the page this is a new day. obviously, they've known each other a long time. >> yeah, i'm not surprised. >> you're not surprised. >> no i'm not that surprised. >> really? two strong leaders? >> ray kelly and bill bratton are two very strong leaders. will bratton has never lacked in confidence. >> and maybe, now, katy, it's a time for outreach in the community.

ray kelly does what he's supposed to do. it's not an attack on new york city. again, i'll not critical of this move whatsoever but i'm critical of monday morning quarterbacking when they decide they want to attack what mike bloomberg and the nypd did after no taxi on new york city. nobody would have expected that but that's a record to be proud of. and democrats and republicans alike after 9/11, and then suddenly, five, six sevens year later, when the dust clears, they're shocked, shocked, shocked. >> it's very easy to forget what it was like. 12 years on, and we're already starting to forget. whether it's this, whether it's the interrogation techniques, whether it's the nsa, because these programs are often shrouded in secrecy, we often don't know what they kind of led to. you can see a power in all of those programs. when you don't know exactly what the program is doing, you can't point to the specific results. i think more open, this is definitely going to be helpful.

let's get news from washington. it's going to get more difficult to judge the effects of obamacare. as the census bureau rolls out that. officials won't be able to accurately compare statistics before or after the affordable care act went in effect. the census bureau which has had long-running concerns about the old method of questioning says it's coincidental and unfortunate tile that the changes are kicking in just as the health care law begins impacting the nation. conservative critic it's of the obama administration blasted the move with a "wall street journal" editorial saying the statistics are being cooked. back in 2009, is surfaced that the obama administration began to exert more control over the census bureau. and advisers requested several

new questions and the hofs of budget approved the new questionnaire. >> we should point out it was not just conservatives who were outraged yesterday. you can tell on twitter and facebook on all of these places that are predictively partisan when something rises. >> timing. fishy timing. >> yeah, who's making that decision? even if it's the right decision, why would you do it right now when it raises so many red flags for people. >> why not in a year's time? why make this more of a story than it needs to be now? and it's already tricky for the station. judd gregg he was going to be the new secretary. and one of the reasons he decided not to, he was disappointed because he thought it was a political move. here we are five years later and my josh -- >> former vast jed greg did

indeed with draw his name. i would be asking do we know what the questions are now? >> is obama care great or what? >> would you prefer to have health insurance or not have health insurance? >> exactly. >> yeah, i mean, listen, government -- white houses on both sides do their best to cook the books and everything else. i think this is really a particularly clumsy effort. and, you're right. conservatives blast it for good reason. so did a lot of progressives. >> yeah. >> so we're just embarrassed by how hand-fisted this move was. >> i wonder if a coordination between the white house and the census bureau and if twitter is just not well executed. senator mary landrieu's opening out of they are re-election campaign has some republicans crying foul. the democrat is being criticized for re-enacting her remarks from the 2013 energy hearing. >> nothing about this moratorium makes sense. >> so she forced it.

>> just louisiana, 300,000 people that go to work every day in this industry. you can't just beat up on them. >> when we were cheated out of oil royalties. >> they have to sit here and listen to the federal government say we can't share a penny with you? i will not rest until this injustices is done. >> and she won. now as the new chairman of the budget committee. >> do you think there's a bunch of fairy godmothers throughout that wave a magic wand? >> she holds the most powerful position in the senator for louisiana. >> weekly standard was first to catch on with the re-enactment that realize that it does not come from c-span. you can see by the font, it's no tv show. the hearing room is not right. the ad also cleaned up a verbal threat from landrieu's original comments when she actually said the word "wish" instead of wand. >> do you think there are a bunch of fairy godmothersous

there that just wave a magic wand? do you think there are a bunch of fairy godmothers that just wish a magic wand? >> the ad says forbidding the use of senate material in political ads. >> you re-enact a senate hearing or commercial -- hey, what are you going to do. >> now, if she were making up things she said in the past. she said it. it was just a really -- >> tomato, to-mato -- i don't. >> come on. >> what i've been saying, mike barnicle, this is a tough one. >> still a great ad. >> it was a great ad. >> it is a great ad. >> and they're almost asleep in the background.

>> very good acting. >> comatose behind her. >> if they've been keen, looking up -- >> oh, listen. all very good stuff. >> i like it all. >> you know, i will say, i mean, the point is, she did say those words in the hearing. if she had made up -- it would be a much bigger issue if she hadn't gone straight off the transcript. >> yeah. >> i agree. >> i mean, it's all show. >> storm in a tea cup. >> yeah. >> yes. >> i mean, i think people in louisiana are going -- are going to be -- >> absolutely shocked. >> waking up in shreveport saying, can you believe she changed a word? >> i know. >> this is not the most shocking thing that's happened in louisiana politics, mike. >> no. ed edwards is asking -- >> ed edwards -- was that blaze that paul newman played?

>> yeah. >> huey -- >> not huey -- was it earl? >> it was earl. anyway, we'll get to that later. >> so, new york city mayor mike bloomberg. we were just talking about him in the previous story. if you thought leaving office would be rest and relaxation for bloomberg, think again, jeremy peters in "the new york times" reveals a $50 million plan that bloomberg challenges gun legislation. the new group will be called "every town for gun safety" and bank rolled by the former mayor himself. 50 million bucks. with tv ads, but the new group will focus on being a grassroots operation to rival the nra. bloomberg was asked his own persona could undercut that.

i don't know what your perception is of that is around the country, buttest place he goes, he adds, you're a rock star. people yelling out of cabs. hey way to go. the 72-year-old former mayor also spoke on his legacy of tackling gun safety and obesity issues telling the "times" quote, i'm telling you if there say god, when i get to heaven, i'm not stopping to be interviewed. i'm heading straight in. i have earned my place in evan. it's not even close." end quote. michael bloomberg. >> that's great. >> humility. >> so i'm wondering katty -- >> uh-huh? >> -- how would michael bloomberg fare in your confidence quiz? that one just broke the bank. he just broke the machine. >> you need to send it. >> i think he's good there.

>> listen, if he doesn't fare well, he gets to buy it. >> exactly. >> that's amazing. his place in heaven. >> he's got a lot done. it's locked. hey, st. peter, get out of my way. >> he's got heaven on lock. >> okay. >> what do you think about the gun group, though? i mean, he's tried this before as mayor. now he's doing it from the outside. he's got unlimited money. i think the point jeremy raises in the piece, and we heard this before when he tried this, is he the right guy? >> no, he's not. in some states, maybe so. but as you go to the south, as you go to parts of the midwest, he'd do much better having a third party group. that's just reality. you can run the polls. >> it seems he's got a specific plan he wants to do it. the plan is to go after mothers,

women, one at a time, like mothers against drunk driving try to bring a movement through mothers. >> well, that was really the move a year ago, it would have been the move, to get third party groups with a conservative women. >> yeah, with political effectiveness. >> whose family -- you know, had to come from hunting families. people that understand guns and understand the gun culture. embrace the gun culture, but think that a background check is not a bad thing. basically takes the same position that ronald reagan and george w. bush took on guns. >> the big difference is there's no advocacy group as your drunk driving. >> and he's also confronting what you have to feel say level of paranoia in the country that the nra has fed quite successfully. no matter whenever you talk

about guns, whatever you do about guns, they're coming to take your guns. >> that's why somebody like joe manchin, lifetime rating with the nra, is say much better person to talk to nra. he knows members of the nra, like i know members of the nra and have for a very long time. and when we walk into the room, i know this is surprise for some people watching, but we don't see each other as enemies. we see it as people that, you know, have worked together over 20 years doing things. and sometimes, friends split at certain times. and those are the people, go, guys like joe manchin, that need to walk in and say, hey, i'm not going anywhere. they're not voting me out in west virginia. so you can't scare me. you're my friend. you've been my friend for 20 year, 30 years. let's sit down and talk and figure this out. joe can do that. mayor bloomberg, despite the fact he's got a fast track ticket to heaven might not be as

successful in doing that. we'll see. >> remember, manchin stuck his neck out after newtown, he tried that. and he got nothing back. >> well, like i said about president obama, you got to keep going. keep trying. and joe is trying. and i still think on background checks there's a deal to be had. but that deal will come from pro-gun people like joe manchin working with nra and not mike bloomberg. >> correct. correct. >> very interesting in jeremy piece talked about how he wants to be as aggressive on the other side with the nra meaning democratic candidates even if i agree with you on every other issue, if you're for guns, we're going to come after you. we're going to put money into your challenges. we're going to try to beat you where you live. >> well, that's actually where he'll have the bigger impact. >> yeah. >> it's not going to happen in the republican primary. it's just not. and look what happened in 2013, terri mccauliffe, the pro-gun

control guy won in virginia. that's not the only issue throughout. even though he made it seem like it's the only issue in newtown for six months. boy, i'm still getting letters on that. but i think that was a moment that extraordinarily moving. and important to have that debate then. and a lot of people says well, nothing happened after that. i actually do think the discussion began and i think it will continue. and we've got a supreme court, too, that's fighting for that right now. what happens in 2016 is going to determine what the second amendment is supposed to mean which is americans have a right to keep and bear arms. but that's hanging on by a one-vote margin. the nra also understands as a move towards '16, if they lose the white house, where that fight for decision gets reversed

and second one becomes about militias. and i don't think you're going to see the nra taking an extreme far-right position and going after a republican candidate who has a chance to win in 2016 and actually appoint supreme court justices eight years. coming up on "morning joe," how great is this, we got the head coach of kentucky's baseball team, mr. john calipari. i can't wait to talk to him about his book. and peter cane -- >> okay. that's not so good. >> one week from today, "morning joe" will be live in wrigley field. celebrating 100 years of baseball. april 23rd, 5:30. >> and he's here in the building. remember when he asked you that

terrible thing he asked you? >> yeah. it's unbelievable. >> look at him. mcintosh, probably e-mailing mcintosh. >> first, bill karins has a check on the forecast. bill, has the hangover worn off from the 40th birthday party yet? >> it has. when i woke up this morning. a little blurry, i thought i felt some snow or something, willie. it was amazing going with a round of golf and now scraping ice off the windshield. it's still snowing in cape cod and east maine. but that is it. that's the end of it. the sun will be out. it will be 50 degrees later this afternoon. and it will warm up and improve dramatically. albany new york picked up about 3 inches of snow. but we also saw about 3 inches of snow yesterday in detroit but temperature changes is what is really dramatic. we're 30 degrees colder than this time yesterday.

i hope you didn't put away the hats and gloves for the entire winter because you're digging them out of the closet. windchills in the 20s and teens. forecast still cold in the southeast. one area that's very cold this morning. marquette, michigan, negative 1 degree. negative temperatures in the middle of april. it's never been this cold this late in the season up there. that's because there's still snow on the ground with those cold winds. also more snow on the way. apologies to duluth, minnesota, my friends in wisconsin, we're going to get 10 inches of snow later on today, through tonight. winter storm warnings. winter never ending. i really feel this is it. i think i said that like ten times so far. you're watching "morning joe." we'll right back. [ hypnotist ] you are feeling satisfied

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it's time to take a look at the morning paper. we start with "the new york times." two people are dead and more than 300 missing this morning after a ferry capsized off the coast of the south korea. the vessel was carrying 476 people, including hundreds of high school students and teaches. the south korean coast guard says 164 people have been rescued so far. the cause of the accident still under investigation. >> horrifying scene. look at those pictures. and the los angeles times ordering former prime minister silvio berlusconi for tax fraud. >> why? because he loves italy too much. he connects with the young people the way many politicians were love to connect with the young people of their own countries. >> he will be required to spend

four hours a week working the a community center for the elderly. the other end of the spectrum. >> how does he define elderly, though? about 24? >> that is a cruel blow for him. >> it spares berlusconi jail time and house arrest. but the court will monitor his location. this is from "the wall street journal." the world's second largest economy is slowing down. china's gdp slip flrpd concerns that could lead to unemployment in china as massive double-digit growth start stlog down. forbes, a new report says walmart low wage employees cost taxpayers $6 billion in food programs that includes food, medicaid. and walmart said that's misleading as 90% earn more than minimum wage.

full time and part-time employees take home an average of $11.80 an hour. this from the atlanta jurnl constitution. a new study shows the average ceo earns 330 times more than the average employee. last year ceos earned $11.7 million where the average worker $35,000. the san antonio express-news a 23-year-old who relieved himself on the door of the alamo, in texas, he let himself go on the door of the front wall, the door, in 2012. >> why would you do that? >> he pled guilty to felony criminal mischief. the district attorney said --

this is a quote -- >> don't whiz on the alamo. >> wow. boy, i can tell you, i wish somebody had told jim vandenhite that. >> what's of the last national monument you took a leak on, jim? >> he's thinking, though. >> something there. >> a lot of stuff. let's look at the political playbook. he's the president, the ceo. >> whatever you can say, a monument. >> jim is here. which is fantastic. you guys are writing this morning about martin o'malley who has done very little to hide his political ambitions.

he wants to run. and now the legislative achievements that progressives will fall in love with. how strategic is this? is he moving towards a run? >> i think it's clear he wants to run. he's done a bunch of stuff as governor, whenever minimum wage, or small quantities of marijuana, most recently positioned himself to run against cuomo or if hillary doesn't run. even if hillary does run, mark o'malley, is that who the democratic party is looking for coming off the barack obama administration? >> he's well relatively well-known. the impact that hillary's situation has on o'malley and all political candidates. >> right now, there's not that much fund-raising going on on the crop of candidates. i don't think it matters right now. but it matters for the groups

that would like to get involved in the 2014 campaign for the house and senate. that's a concern you have for democrats mostly privately, because she's not getting engaged, not helping out in 2014 where they'd like her to that's a place that could have an appreciable effect. when you think about who is going to get the cash, i think that's one of the reason, it's fairly certain that hillary to run, she'll actually have the money she needed to pull off a campaign. looking at the other side. last night, senator ted cruz was in south carolina. did he say anything to make you think he could perhaps unite the party? >> it's clear, he's telling everybody in private that he wants to run. virtually certain to run. i think what's interesting. it's not whether we think he can unite the republicans. it's republicans in south carolina feel he's not. and nick mulvaney who is a

conservative from 2010 as part of the tea party. >> right. >> his quote is, it's the same old, same old. the same that you hear on fox news. i think that's fine for a conservative republican in south carolina. that the folks are going to make the decision more deeply. >> so is ted cruz capable, do you think, of doing what it would take to reach into the middle of the party? >> i don't see it just because he's so defied now. his big moment on the sun which we talked about on the show, making his stance shutting down government and leading the tea party uprising his moment in the sun is so far to the right he's become a champion to such a small sliver. i think the conservatives when you look at the totality of the field, there are conservatives who people would consider him

more electable. you're going to line him up against a scott walker or a john kasay or a paul ryan and say is ted cruz the answer for the republican party. it would require one heck of a metamorphosis. >> other than newt gingrich winning in 2012, south carolina has always been the firewall for republican mainstream candidates. jim, this is the thing about south carolina. as you know, south carolina today is not the south carolina of, let's say, 1990. it's changed dramatically, a lot of people have come into the state. it's a real economic revolution started by carol campbell back in 19 the1990s. if you go to greenville, it's extraordinary the change there. extraordinary. they are mainstream republicans. a lot of people would think,

naturally, you go from iowa with religious conservatives to new hampshire. and people think, all right, you go to the deep south and it's like alabama or mississippi. it's just not. south carolina is about as mainstream republican in presidential primaries. and for people that are skeptical at home. look at -- you know, they saved bush's candidacy in 2000. back to 1996, dole, after getting beaten up in new hampshire. won there as well. george w. bush in '92. it's wait it's done. >> when you're looking at republicans to recalibrate their message, you look at south carolina and virginia. that's the changing cell. that's the trend where you see that happen eventually in georgia and more of it in texas. what people thought would sell to the base and i think still sells to the base today is going to be something radically different three or four years now as the demographic portrait

of those states begin to change. i think 2020 is when it radically changes and alters the calculus for republican candidates. but i think it has to begin now or you're going to find republicans in a big hole. >> people are talking about jeb. south carolina. i don't know that jeb would do great in iowa. i don't know jeb would do great in new hampshire. where there's a lot of knocks on doors. but south carolina is a more jeb state. its establishment, more jeb than rand paul or ted cruz. >> jim vandehei, the great desecrater of national monuments. great to have you. bloomberg is going to straight to heaven. they're going to put down that one. >> that would be the quote of the year. >> i'm going straight in. >> it's not even close. coming up, head coach of the university of kentucky. >> oh, yeah!

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♪ here is now the head coach of the university of kentucky's men's basketball team, john calipari. he's the author of the new book "players first." >> thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> we want to congratulate you on a heck of a tournament. >> it was a heck of a tournament, wasn't it? >> oh, my gosh, all the way through. you were talking about what it's like coaching kentucky. this is different than anyplace in america. it's probably like coaching football in alabama. maybe elevated from there. what was it like when you arrived in kentucky? were you prepared for the pressures of being that guy? >> what you don't know is the big blue nation is everywhere.

i was there and i guy comes occupy go cats, i'm what? they're everywhere. the reason for the book was, people coming up how do you flip this so fast. your whole peopteam goes to the, you have a new team. you've got to win. it's not like, oh, you had a rough year this year. it's how you teach leadership real fast with a bunch of guys who have always been the center of the universe themselves. having to give up something. there are stories about anthony davis and michael kidd being the fifth and fourth leading shot-takers on a team that won a national title. and they're one and two in the draft. but they gave up something. so it's about that. there's some one and done in there. there's -- you know, i have to give my opinions of the ncaa, mike. i'm kind of like you, i'm going to speak my mind. >> but you said, like mike, you said, the situation reminds me a little bit of the soviet union.

compare the ncaa to the soviet union evil empire, tell us about it, coach. >> if we make decisions about them, we'd be right. i've been talk about this food issue. like limiting my food. if i have a bagel, you can't have peanut butter, you're violating rules so that's why you recruit. so yesterday, they came out with unfettered food which is a start. there are all different things we can do. parents should be able go to the ncaa games. and we should pay for it. >> a great player. let's say they go four years. their mom lives in california. they play in kentucky. the ncaa is making millions of dollars. a kid can't have his kid fly

from california to the game? that's outrageous. >> brandon's family couldn't afterward to be at the game. ridiculous. those are things that aren't making them professional. >> somebody asked you, and we all have the same question, i'm sure, how do you take freshmen? and over the course of the season, do what you did this year? how long does it take you -- >> obviously -- >> we want to get everybody there -- >> to break it down. >> joe, here's what it is. first of all, you have to get them to understand how hard they have to work. none of them know. the grind of the game. the second part is, i talk about it here, fail fast. this is like a learning lab at kentucky. i'm lettering, whoever had elite teams every year. failing fast gives me an idea of what i have to do. then i watch and i say, okay, that's not working. this does.

this season, it took me too long to really define roles. almost too late, when you did define the rules -- >> yeah, coach. and wichita state -- >> oh, wichita state could have been in the final game. that's unbelievable. >> you know what struck me, mike, after the louisville game, both of my parents live in kentucky, i'm jumping up and down and screaming. tracy olsen puts a mike in his face, what do you think about -- you know. i was like, okay, we're going to be okay because it's the same thing -- >> she asked the question, what was the problem with this particular player, coach cal says, he's 18. which leads me to ask you, you have a team of almost all freshmen. clearly, when you went to recruit them, they are gods at whatever school they're playing at juniors and seniors in high school. then they come and forced into a team unit. what's the degree of difficulty gets the greatest player of

whatever the high school to buy into the team? >> it starts with recruiting. i tell them, you're not taking 30 shots if you come here because you're going to have other players that are just as good as you. the most a player takes, 13, 14, shots. you've seen that from my teams over the years, massachusetts or memphis. i've started 30 freshmen in my time. now it's like four or five a year. but it starts with recruiting. the other one is, you walk in the room you put their names up you get their averages from high school, you add them up. are we going to score 300 points per game? i don't think so. we all got to give up something here. >> coach, on the subject of the ncaa, you talk about the meal thing. i saw that yesterday. now, they can have snacks. congratulations. that's a big development. what about paying players? there's been so much talk. it feels like it's moving in that direction.

what's your opinion if players should get paid or a stipend. and if so, how do you determine how much money? >> i think it could be cost of attendance. i'll tell hue gets shut out. lower income families that are making enough to have their home and far, you get no pell grants, and your son's walking in there with nothing. if you're really poor, you can get pell grants and get some money. so it's that family that's hit the worst. but why shouldn't they get cost of attendance, 3,000, 5,000, i don't know the number. but there should be something that we're able to do for them. i think they should get two flights back and forth. beginning of the year, to end the year. and maybe over christmas. that is not making them professional. that's part of that $11 billion this tournament generates that goes to them to make this a better situation. so they can stay great. i also think it should go to two

years. the nba and players association. the ncaa needs to be involved if they have to stay two years. what are you going to do to make this better? i would hope the nba would say if you go to school one more year, we'll take a year off your rookie contract, so now it's three years instead of four. and maybe the nba would come in and say, if any of these families want to take a loan from us for future earnings, we'll do it. let them get involved to take care. these families, if they're asked to go to school bit nba and by the players association. it shouldn't be a problem. it should be something good. all of my kids are ininsured. eight of my players are insured. they have to pay for their own insurance. that's disability. if they're hurt, they get paid for never playing basketball again. disability. >> quickly, before i let you go, the game's about to tip off, we're getting ready, uconn/kentucky.

rex chapman said i have it on good authority, coach cal's got the lakers job. are you leaving to go to the nba? >> no. but what's funny, none of us heard that. anthony davis comes in, some guys are in there. anthony, nba, you going to the lakers? no i said, will you come with me? >> all joking. you're staying put? >> yes. >> all right. big blue! >> thanks, guys. >> players first. good to see you. >> we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ no two people have the same financial goals. pnc works with you to understand yours

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next monday on patriots' day when i'm told of the 36,000 people line up to start the marathon, you will send a resounding message around the world, not just to the rest of the world. but to the terrorists. that we will never yield. we will never cower. america will never, ever, ever stand down. we are boston. we are america. we respond. we endure. we overcome. and we own the finish line! >> what a great line. "we own the finish line." mike i was watching the ceremonies yesterday. so moving and so boston. >> the vice president was terrific yesterday. >> he was. >> that moment, he's great at those moments, the vice president of the united states.

but it was a melanchooancholy d. but it's filled with hope for next monday which will be a huge marathon field. >> i can't believe it's only been a year. my god, this has been a wrong year for the people of boston. welcome back to "morning joe." we've got a lot of people with us, the national editor for new york magazine, john heilemann, he just seems like a lot of people. i am legion. also in washington, a pulitzer prize winning columnist and of the "washington post" and m nbc political analyst, another man like michael bloomberg with a straight shot to heaven, gene. and we've got jim vandehei. rub your chin as i go to katty

kaye next. >> i think we next in on the news to see how he's doing. >> we will. it is about to get a lot more difficult to judge the effects of obamacare, as the census bureau rolls out major changes to the way it surveys americans. the decision to revamp the questionnaire includes a, quote, total revision to health insurance questions that means officials won't be able to accurately compare statistics from before and after the affordable care act went in effect. the census bureau which has had long-running concerns about the old method of questioning sayses, quote, coincidental and unfortunate timing that the changes are kicking in just as the health care law begins impacting the nation. conservative critics of the administration blasted the move in "the wall street journal" editorial saying statistics are being cooked. back in 2009, reports surfaced that the obama administration began pushing to exert more direct control over the census bureau. and as the "times" points out

the white house council of economic advisers requested several new questions. and the white house office of management and budget approved the questionnaire. >> gene robinson. this baffled conservatives and republicans and the like, not only on the substance of it but the timing. why give the critics on the affordable care act more ammunition than they already have. >> it kind of beat please. you know it may be coincidental. and perfectly innocent. but, again, the timing's been a little suspicious to a lot of people. back up. it's not as if we're never going to know, right. we're going to know if obamacare is working or not. and there are going to be lots of ways to find that out. but it would be very helpful, i think, to have sort of apples to

apples comparisons to be made so we could evaluate the thing, even if you are, as i am, somebody who thinks the program is a really good idea. it needs to be probably tweaked and fixed among it was a could be improved. and you no that from the data. and if you don't have good data, how do you know? >> mike barnicle good questions. >> we have heard from the white house, the first of questions that have been asked. >> yep. what are they? >> the first question people are going to be asked, how's it going? >> that's a good question to ask. just generally, how's it going. >> do you like free stuff? >> okay. >> what's your favorite day of the week? >> okay. >> it's a little clunky. >> it's a lot clunky. >> who's running the white house? >> you know, the lunatics are running the asylum. it's definitely unfortunate.

you think about there are so many ways in which this law is still open for debate. and it's not settled law in the minds of many people, unfortunately. and this just adds fuel to that fire. and it will be yet another aspect in which there's imputations of conspiracy put on the white house. et cetera, et cetera. >> and the reaction, while he's scratching his nose -- thank you very much for that. >> don't ask him to guess. >> no, i'm just going to tell him he has another chance to express incredulity in his shot. senator mary landrieu has republicans crying foul. >> -- about this moratorium makes sense. nothing. >> so she forced it to them. >> just louisiana, 300,000

people go to work every day in this industry. you can't just beat up on them. >> when you were cheated out of oil royalties. >> and to sit here and listen to the federal government say we can't share a penny with you. i will not rest until this injustici injustices is gone. >> and she won? >> do you think there's a bunch of fairy godmothers who just wave a magic wand? >> she holding the most powerful position in the senate. >> the weekly standard caught on after realizing that the footage doesn't come from c-span or any other program and buzzfeed pointed out there are other things that the team overlooked. they cleaned up the flub when she accidentally said the word "wish" instead of "wand." >> do you think they're a bunch of fairy godmothers out there just wave a magic wand? >> do you think there are a bunch of fairy godmothers

throughout that just wish a magic wand? >> i think it's a bit of a storm. in a tea cup. >> a storm in a tea cup? is that like a tempest in a tea cup. >> she's british. >> that's the british version. >> i like that. >> i like it. >> i like it. >> much ado about nothing. >> yes, much ado about nothing. >> very nice. >> jim vandehei. >> i get to talk. i love it. i agree with you guys, actually the campaign commercial san extremely effective one if you think about her argument, you couldn't articulate is better in an ad than she does. i think if her state and the position she's going to have she would be chairwoman of that committee that's a powerful argument. i think it's fun to pick apart. i can't imagine that people there would give a -- >> i don't think so. she has the two comatose

staff -- >> sleeping behind her. >> you that see at all of these hearings. >> she is a democrat that provides a road map for democrats running the rogue states. and having at least a fighting chance in 2014. she's not back on her heels, man. this ad has her doing what mary's always done. she's going 90 miles an hour, straightforward. >> yeah. gene robinson? >> no -- >> she's a tough candidate, isn't she? >> oh, yeah. look, i think mary landrieu's going to win. she'll win by 8 1/2 votes. >> exactly. >> she goes straight ahead. she knows louisiana. she knows her voters. i think we ought to do dra dramatizations of "morning joe." >> i think so, too. >> it's kind of awesome if we can do do-overs for our verbal

flubs. >> oh, my. >> i don't do any verbal flubs. >> some of us occasionally make a mistake. >> i do three hour of verbal flubs. when do i have three hours to clean them up? >> senator rand paul is on the defensive this morning from critics in his own party the kentucky republican and possible 2016 contender is facing down members of the gop who say his views on foreign policy are less than presidential. rich lowery of the national review asks, the situation room or the dorm room? he ted more tongue in cheek about the 2016 prospects. quote what the gop needs is a humbling landslide defeat. on issue, rand paul stands on iran. in a recent interview with abc, he attempted to explain why he voted against a resolution that would allow the u.s. to do anything possible to prevent iran from getting a nuclear

weapon. >> i've repeatedly voted for anxieties against iran. and i think all options should be on the table to prevent them from nuclear weapons. i'm a stickler on what the wording is i don't want to vote on something that's declared war without people actually thinking through this. they said containment will never, ever, ever be our policy. we woke up one day and pakistan had nuclear weapons. if that would our policy towards pakistan, we would be at war with pakistan. we woke up one day and china had nuclear weapons. we woke up one day and russia had them. but people who say, by golly, we will never stand for that, now are voting for war. >> now to the op-ed page, he writes, quote, our leaders need to think before they speak and consider that preemptively announcing responses to every hypothetical situation may well damage our ability to keep the united states safe and strong.

real foreign policy is made in the middle with nuance in the gray area of diplomacy, engagement and reluctantly, if necessary, military action. national defense is the number one job of our government. and i believe in a strong nation but peace with the world, i believe peace through strength should be our goal. at all times." >> john heilemann, rand paul is going to have a problem. not only with the republican base, he'd have problems in the general election, i think, with the foreign policy that is far less engaged than even barack obama's right now. and as far as iran goes, he acted like we haven't been talking about iranians getting nuclear weapons throughout the entire obama administration and a good chunk of the bush administration. this is one of the great foreign policy challenges. and he voted, you know against this resolution. and he definitely is far more a passivist, again not only the

republican party but most voters in general. >> i think that's true. he would be criticized by the foreign policy establishment on the conservative side and on the center for his positions. it's not passivism, it's more isolation. the truth is there's a big part of the republican base as the republican base that is more skeptical and wary of any foreign entanglements then they're leadership is. this is not a position they'll be criticized a lot and not be soluble in the general election. it's not like there's a big chunk in the populous part of the republican base. that could be attracted to the notion of someone whose attitude is let's stick to our business at home and stay out of foreign entanglements. >> and gene, they talk about the need to get out of afghanistan earlier. that have been critical of the neocon approach of the eight

bush years. but at the same time, though, rand paul does take it to an extreme. you could say he's in the middle. i don't know what he's in the middle of it. >> well, in the context of the republican party, his view definitely is extreme. in the context of american public opinion, i mean, if you ask people, you know, should we go to war to keep iran from getting nuclear weapons, or contain iran, you know, i don't think washington and the foreign policy establishment would get the answer that it wants, frankly. i mean, people are wary of committing u.s. -- the united states and u.s. forces to war. far away, again. and you know, right or wrong, i think he's -- he's tapping into a sentiment in the country that's more popular than a lot of people in washington would like to believe. >> and jim vandehei, rand paul

does call it isolationist. he calls it nuance. he said it's clearly not worked for this country. and i think he thinks he's tapping into a sentiment that people don't want this in life anymore. >> with gene and john heilemann, towards foreign policy, he thinks he's on to something, he might be on to something with a group of libertarians inside the republican party. when you think about how he talks about drones. when he talks about government sur raveil surveillance. there's certainly a big part of the republican party that recoils that the. he might be wrong, and a lot of folks think he probably is wrong, but i do think it's what makes him interesting.

it makes him different than the rest of the republican field. it makes him an interesting participant in this field because he's not coming at it from the same conventional republican. >> he's not going to be the candidate of the national viewer or weekly standard. he's not going to be the candidate of the republican donner class which is much more hawkish. i think as a practical matter, he come up to new york and tried to be more acceptable to the money establishment of the republican party. but he's not going to that candidate. if he's going to have traction it's not going to be by being the annoying candidate of establishment, et cetera. >> right now, he's the candidate of college campus, i'll tell you that much. >> when he went to berkeley to speak about the nsa, there are queues around the block. this is berkeley. >> i think iran is far different. as far as i understand he does occupy an unique space in the

republican party. but i can tell you, i've been critical of the president's drone policy. and i have found i'm on the wrong side of polls. that the majority of americans are quite fine, thank you very much, with dropping bombs on people, as long as they're drones and americans don't have more boots on the ground. and americans are -- look at vandehei -- so i think americans are -- when you get to -- i can't concentrate. it reminds me in that scene in "animal house" with the devil. >> oh, yeah. >> i'm just going to stop now. i think rand paul is not mainstream republican party. and i'm not even going to talk about the neocons. i don't think the neocons are the mainstream of the republican party anymore. i think there is middle ground between where rand paul stands

which is a more isolationist approach whereas where cheney and bush stood. >> gene robinson, final word? >> final word. i think rand paul is on to something. he's interesting. the problem that he wants to appeal to the younger crowd of republicans. frankly, his views on gay rights, and on women's rights those are not popular among young people. and he's going to have to own up to them as he did not do in that berkeley speech. that's going to be an issue for him. >> we will continue the conversation. coming up next, we have peter king who joins us from washington. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ i know a thing about an ira ♪ and i got the tools ♪ to do it my way ♪ i got a lock on equities ♪ that's why i'm type e ♪

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welcome back. 7:23 on the east coast. and a rainy new york city. turning now to the city where

the largest peace force in the country is turning over a new leaf. according to the "the new york times" the nypd is abandoning a controversial surveillance program that had plains clothes officers spying on muslim communities in the city. the squad put in place following the attacks of 9/11 was known as the demographics unit. detectives kept detailed files on where people in the muslim communities prayed and shopped but as "the times" points out, quote, after years of collecting information, however, the police acknowledged that it it never generated a lead." joe? >> very good. with us now from boston member of the house homeland security committee, representative from new york. congressman peter king. >> peter, let's start with rand paul. >> sure. >> i take it you would not be comfortable with rand paul being the commander in chief? >> no, i wouldn't. i think it would be disastrous, joe. i think he appeals to the lowest

common denominator. this is an isolationist wing from the 1930s. you and i can say where we want our policy should be. but rand paul brings it to hysterical level. he talks about the cia trying to kill americans. when he talked about president obama listening to his cell phone conversations. we do need an intelligent debate and i don't think rand paul is capable of having that debate. >> what is the deal with starbucks and rand paul? spell that out, peter. >> that was last may when he gave his filibuster on the senate floor where he was concerned that the cia was going to use drones who are in the united states. he said, he didn't want americans having coffee at starbucks being killed by drones. now, when you guys drink enough coffee on "morning joe" so you might be targeted. >> hey, congressman, let me ask you about the story that katty kay just laid out in the it's no

it's no. with mayor de blasio disbanding the group. i know you don't agree with that decision? >> let me start at the top. i have a great respect for ray kelly and the nypd. my father trained ray kelly in the nypd many years ago. the nypd has stopped terrorist attacks in new york for the last 12 1/2 year. i greatly respect commissioner bratton, by the way. it's been shameful over the years the way they attacked the nypd. the term s"spying" is offensive. mayor de blasio has made commitments. i think what bill bratton is trying to do, i can't speak to it obviously, is make what changes he feels can be made outunderminding what the nypd is doing. i'm confident that they realize

the serious threat is in new york. and the reality is the thread is going to come from the muslim community. 99% of whatever number you want to use, muslim are good americans. good detective work means boeing in that community. that's the same as was done with the mob, with the italian communities when the government wanted to find out the westies and mike barnicle and i can identify this. you have police trying to find who was involved. if you're looking for the ku klux klan, you don't go to harlem. you go to where the potential threat is. there's a recent case in new jersey with judge martinez, joe, you and i served with him in congress. >> there's also a report out this morning that says the program was worthless. it led to no leads. there was no need to have it in the first place?

>> well let the record speak for itself, the last 12 1/2 years new yorkers have set up -- they have 1,000 police officers dedicated to fighting terrorism. other cities have two, three, four five cops assigned to it. new york city has 1,000. we are the number one target in the country, if not the world. if anyone said on september 12th 2001 that we wouldn't be successfully attacked again, i don't think anyone would believe it. if you look at the whole speck tl spectrum of programs, they've worked. you have to look at the entire network of programs that have been set up. and they do work. and i believe they have tremendous respect for constitutional rights. >> congressman, to the point that you raised earlier, i mean, the unit is being disbanded in terms of what it's been doing since september 11. and we should all understand the fear and paranoia that was

legitimately in the air immediately after september 11, in every american city throughout the united states. but as the years have passed and the threat seems to have receded while it really probably has not receded that much. don't you think, though, one of the best forms of gathering intelligence is the cop on the beat? is the local knowledge that a police officer gets from the constituency that he's serving and protecting far more so than anything the fbi is going to do with computers and eavesdropping and stuff like that? >> yeah, absolutely. police on the beat. and that's why, i think, for instance, in boston where the fbi made the mistake several years ago, in not notifying the boston police that they received reports and arrests on the older brother. no one can match the work of the cops on the beat. and that's what they tried to do in new york. that's what the units involved, finding out sources within the community. working with people in the community. and it can't always be done in an overt way.

by the very nature of detective work and building up sources, confidential sources, confident informants, we do work in a covert way. that's not spying. that's legend police work. and, mike, i think in many ways, the threat today is more dangerous than it was on september 11. because that's where al qaeda has really been hit hard. the fact is now, any number of splinter groups of al qaeda, supporters of al qaeda, and people in places like new york. >> peter, we're out of time which means we don't have anymore tour any questions. congressman, i'm sure you read the question in "the new york times" that we talked about about mayor bloomberg putting $50 million to try to pursue a grassroots army to go with gun control. do you think it will be successful or more successful than he's done on this issue? >> basically everything that mike bloomberg does is successful. he and i basically agree on the

aspects of the gun issue. i worked with him when he had mayors against illegal guns. anytime mike bloomberg puts his mind to something, he makes progress. it's an important part of the debate. exactly where we should come down on details of gun control is one thing. basically, i think it's important to have background checks and to realize that legitimate sportsmen have the right to have weapons. joe scarborough, it's not often i give joe credit on the survey, with senator manchin and senator toomey i thought it was really good stuff. >> coming from that, the right wingnut that said i walked barefoot until i came to congress. >> i'm not saying any part of that wasn't true. but sometimes the truth has to be clear. >> okay. let's pick up on what john was just talking about there. in a recent interview with the "the new york times" as john was suggesting, former mayor michael bloomberg reflected on his

legacy of attacking gun safety and obesity saying, quote, i am telling you, if there say god. when i get to heaven, i'm not stop to be interviewed. i'm heading straight in. i have earned my place in evan. it's not even close. that is humility. >> that is confidence, peter king. >> yeah, li listen, i wish all s had the confidence of bloomberg. i would say he's going to make it to heaven. he'll probably get there before i will. we are different opinions on aspects of mike bloomberg. fact is, he got things done. he was an outstanding mayor. for 12 years in new york, the streets were clean. jobs were coming in. the city was expanding. and if anybody thought 20, 25 years ago that was going to happen, they would have thought you were crazy. mike bloomberg, the guy gets things done. he's a leader. i'm proud to call him a friend. i wouldn't want to get in his

way. >> peter king, thank you very much. always great to see you. >> thanks. >> all right. >> see you in new hampshire. >> reporting year-round for the presidency, that's going to be a good one. >> you're going to join each other in heaven. >> who's that? >> you, peter, michael bloomberg. >> i was saying i'll see you in new hampshire. aka -- what have you guys heard me say about new hampshire? >> just the other side of the pearly gates. >> am i in heaven? >> no, it's new hampshire. tied with iowa and south carolina. >> oh, i love those states. >> and florida. >> i don't think florida is there for south carolina this year. >> vegas? >> i love vegas. >> nevada, some of the best people in the world. >> katty kay, i got the results back from the confidence code.

>> tell me. >> it's going to shock a lot of people. >> high confidence. thank you for participating in the conference. based on the response of your quiz, you have higher than average confidence. >> which is interesting, there are a lot of questions that i answered saying i'm not so sure. i was a lot more neutral on these questions than i expected. >> i want all of you to do it, it's up on the website, the confidence code.com. we've had 8,000 people take the test. it gets at how confident you are about your opinions. >> one thing that's clear, at least in joe's case, it's accurate. it measures well. >> of course, it does. you can't fool it. you can't fool the test. it's well designed. it will give you a measure of how confident you are with appropriate advice of what to do if you are extremely confident like joe scarborough. >> i did not say i'm extremely

confident. i am not. i am higher than average. the part of me that's motivated by self-hatred, i think that's not extremely high. just kind of high. >> self-loathing? >> i'm self-loathing. i can't afford to fail. >> a lot of people take this test, we're going to fill a database. the first of its kind. >> i love it. more than of a storm in a tea cup. still ahead -- after five days of cross-examination, tempest, storm, the same thing, right -- from a prosecutor called the pitbull who, of course, the defendant calls my lady, where does he stand in the pistorius trial? we'll be right back. rts at your ford dealer think? they think about tires. and what they've been through lately. polar vortexes, road construction, and gaping potholes. so with all that behind you, you might want to make sure you're safe and in control. ford technicians are ready to find the right tires for your vehicle.

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here with us now, bloomberg correspondent willem marx who is the co-author of "balochistan at a cross roads." >> 99% of people watching this couldn't tell you where balochistan is. where is it? >> it's a region within pakistan, on the border of iran and afghanistan. very thinly populated. you don't know much about it. in terms of scales to give you an idea, it's the size of montana and wouliyoming combine. it's a huge area. >> looking at the book, you talk about it's like the moon. some of the shots you've taken? >> yeah, it's very mountainous

and desert. and the home of the insurgency of the pakistani central government have been there for about seven years now. we've got pictures from the book. these are people living in incredibly difficult situations. they're treated as second-class citizens by pakistan's government. over the last seven or eight years they've picked up arms against the state. it's not a war we hear much about. it's very difficult for journalists to get there. people like myself who have spent time there have subsequently will be blacklisted. >> what have we got here? >> we've got a man in charge of the baloch liberation army. he and his family and kids and lives in the province. he's one of the fighters who have taken up very old weaponry against the pakistani army. one of the largest standing armies in the world. >> excuse me. the world as we know it, is a wash in weapons and conflict. where did the weapons come from? if they have newly acquired

weapons? >> i lot of them tell me they buy from afghan. a huge number of weapons as we all know washing around afghanistan dating back to the late 1970s in the conflict with the soviet union. there are borders there it's very easy to buy an ak-47, rocket grenade launcher to bring them back. >> you can't actually get into balochistan very easily because its sensitivities. what was it like for you trying to travel around that? >> it's difficult. i think one might have visas took me three months to get in the end. it's almost now completely on lockdown to foreign journalists. this is one thing that the pakistani government was doing, in particular to cover up the fact they're kidnapping activists. for those people who vanish. they get taken away by security

forces, these activists. they're tortured. they're often executed. their bodies left on the side of the road. because journalists from the west aren't able to get in there and talk about this, this is something that the military is unable to cover up. >> this is one of them. >> yeah, this is a man i interviewed a few years ago, he had been taken from the side of the road from the military, isi, he told me he was hanging from his ankles for hours at a time. being beaten with metal rods. when he came out he was a very psychologically damaged man. in terms of his treatment, he turned into an active militant leader afterwards. so it's a very good sample of what that treatment can do to a person. >> you learned, reading this book, the consequences of certainly being banned getting into pakistan but not being able to sell those. where are the activists when human rights are taking place so

rampantly? unfortunately, it dates back to to some ways that the brits and the baloch were split between iran and pakistan. after partition when india and pakistan pretty, the pakistanis occupied this region entirely. the village was promised in the homeland. they weren't given one. unfortunately, they feel like second class citizens that they've taken up arms and trying to defend themselves. in theory, many of them according to an independent balochistan. >> a world apart and a world on fire. "balochistan: at a cross roads."

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wrote the dates on the left. on the right she said "i think today is a good day to tell you that" and then it says "i love you." >> oscar pistorius reading a card from his girl friend, reeva steenkamp. joining us is lisa bloom. we continue to hear the up to the minute circumstances of valentine's there. obviously that was a sweet v valentine's day card. >> it was. and oscar pistorius is now done testifying. i'm sure that's a huge relief for him. there's a defense expert testifying now, who is reconstructing the incident to argue that the four shots were fired in quick succession and

therefore reeva steenkamp would not have been able to scream out. remember there were five witnesses to said they heard her screaming. then after that they will return after may 5th because the court is going to take the time off to catch up on other matters. >> how odd that is. i have found it greatly satisfying to hear oscar pistorius testify and the question he's been asked. as we learn the details, you think this person is trying to get away with murder. >> i think he really blundered on the stand. he changed his defense. he's been claiming all along this is self-defense. now he says this was an accidental shooting, that the gun in his hand just went off somehow miraculously and just pointed itself at that bathroom door because he says he didn't

intentionally point it at the door. i think it will give them time to regroup and talk to experts about how the gun could have gone off, how oscar pistorius is not a violent person perhaps and to talk about the culture of fear. >> i think it's very feisty certainly in the courtroom. there is a chance possibly that he gets off because the prosecution doesn't have the evidence, that the end it's going to come down his account versus theirs? >> right, or his accounts versus his accounts, now that he's changed his story a couple of times. i think it is tough for the prosecution to prove first degree murder, but the lesser charge seems to fit here, that this is a negligent shooting, that you can't just fire through the door, without checking to see if your girl friend was there, add that she was wearing

street clothes, she had her cell phone. it doesn't seem like she was just using the phone in the middle of the night. >> he looks guilty as hell from here. looks like he's having trouble with my lady, which i'm not absolutely sure why he calls the prosecution my lady. >> that's the judge. >> but when the prosecution is asking her a question, you refer to the prosecutor as part of the court system. >> in the south african, you always refer to the jj udge in your answers. >> the witnesses speak directly to the judge, so they all know to say "my lady ", even though it's a judge questioning them. >> who would have ever thought your jail time in south africa in the 1980s would have come back to help you now but you

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coast, 5:00 a.m. on the west coast. take a live look at snowy new york city hopefully clearing up soon. back with us on set, katty kay and mike barnicle. >> the government in kiev pushes back against pro-russian government who have seized official buildings there. talk resumes tomorrow with the united states and european union also involved. jim, what's the latest there? >> hi there. today the situation remains fairly quiet really with both sides, the ukrainian military on one side, the ukrainian militant who is say they want closer ties with russia on the other. we all kind of jumped this morning with reports of a

russian flag-waving column of apcs being cheered. it turns out these were ukrainian force who is had switched allegiances to the pro-russian side. meanwhile, a similar scene unfolding where the airfield is, this time carrying the ukrainian flag. they were clearly on a show of force pa control. this unit met with some hostility by protesters who tried to block the vehicles. in the end there was a bit of a scuffle. there were no injuries and the patrol tend. there were no further attempts but the u kranian military to take those police stations or other symbol of states power. both sides probably waiting to see what comes from the 11th

hour diplomacy playing out in geneva. >> mike barnicle, the wall street journal editorialized that barack obama needed to more than this. i was surprised, we had jane harmon on yesterday, now running the wilson center in washington and also dr. brzezinski, who has always urged restraint, since the beginning of the iraq war. but both yesterday were critical of barack obama and said he's got to do more. the question is what exactly -- >> what more? >> exactly what do we do? on sanctions dr. brzezinski suggested we send a very public message to the ukrainian government, that if they have any requests for weaponry, defensive weaponry, let us know.

there is a growing sense, certainly among many, that the president needs to do more than sit back. >> i think everyone understands that but why isn't everybody calling angela merkel saying you've got to do more as well? why is it always on us to do it when in fact the european union is right there and they ought to be doing equally as much or as much as they can and obviously not. >> katty obviously hesitancy among the e.u. members. why is that? >> europe has an average of 12% at the moment. a lot of countries in europe are still in recession. they're nervous there will be retaliation in terms of gas prices and other business deals and you'll see the fragile economy in many european companies slip off the brink. i was there a couple of weeks ago. there is no appetite for getting tough on russia. different countries have different regions. the french has defense ties. london is overrun with russians

at the moment who are spending money in the city of london and germany has all of those gas ties. none of them sitting there saying let's get tough on putin at the moment and yet you've got wes clark in the "new york times" this morning saying what dr. brzezinski said yesterday, we have to think about giving military aid to the ukrainians. that would be a big step. however you want to spin it, that is military involvement by the u.s. >> the "new york times" talks about a unit that was under fierce criticism over the past year being dropped by the nypd. >> this is very interesting. here in new york where the largest police force in the country is turning over a new leaf. according to the "new york times," the nypd is abandoning a controversial surveillance program that had plain clothesed officers spying on those in the city.

detectives in the unit kept detailed files on where muslims in the community prayed and shopped. but "after years of collecting information, the police acknowledged that it never johnson rated a lead." and the move is a policy shift. police commissioner bratton says he intends to repair the relationship between the nypd and others that he says was damaged under the previous administration. >> i imagine if you asked ray kelly about this unit, he would not say there was never a lead developed. and of course maybe now is the time. there is a time for all things, but after 9/11, most new yorkers would want these units out there

i would suspect. >> this isn't a surprise for anybody. maybe de blasio as a candidate televised this. now you have dropping the appeal of stop and frisk that may this go away and now this unit is being disbanded. the intelligence officers will be integrated into the general intelligence pool. it won't be as explicitly charged toward muslims but they'll still be monitoring people. >> the key phrase is "aft "after 9/11." after september 11th, ray kelly and the new york city police department, as well as all new yorkers were, yes, let's do this, let's make sure the police department is up to speed with all sorts of intelligence gathering, yet today with johnny miller, working with bill bratton, they are more community focused and know they'll get

more information living within the community rather than spying on the community. >> are you surprised that commissioner bratton has explicitly gone out and said we're not guantanamo bay to be like ray kelly, we're turning the paej, this is a new day? obviously they've known each other a long time. >> no, i'm not surprised. >> really? >> ray kelly and bratton are two very strong, good leaders of the new york city police department. bill kelly has never lacked in confidence or in the ability to assert exactly what he feels. >> let's get news from washington. it's about to get more difficult to judge the effects of obamacare as the census bureau rolls out major changes of the way it surveys america. it includes a total revision to health insurance questions. that means officials won't be able to accurately compare statistics from before and after the affordable care act went into effect. the census bureau, which has had

concerns about the old method of questioning says it is "coincidental and unfortunate timing" that the changes are kicking in just at this time. a wall street editorial said the statistics are being cooked. back in 2009 reports surfaced the obama administration pushed to receive more direct control over the consensus bureau. the white house council of economic advisers requested several of the new questions and the white house office of budget and management approved the new questionnaire. >> it was not just conservatives outraged yesterday. you can tell on twitter and facebook and all those places that are so partisan that rises and when you have progressives yesterday saying this is ridiculous. >> it's ridiculous. >> even if it's the right decision, why would you do it

right now when it raises so many red flags for people. >> why not wait a year's time? why make it more of a story than it is now. >> judd gregg, wasn't he going to be secretary and he decided not to because he was disappointed because he thought it was a political move and here we are five years later and, my gosh, couldn't look for political. >> he did indeed withdraw his name. i would be interested, do we know what the questions are now? >> is obamacare great or what? >> how great are things going? do you have a couple of minutes? >> would you prefer to have health insurance or not have health insurance? >> exactly. >> i mean, listen, the white houses on both sides do their best to cook the books. i think, willie, this is a particularly clumsy effort. you're right, conservatives

blasted for good reasons, so did a lot of progressives who say we're just embarrassed. >> i wonder if there is coordination between the white house and census bureau. >> senator mary landers has some republicans crying foul. the democrat is being criticized for reenacting her remarks from a 2013 energy hearing. >> nothing about this moratorium makes sense. >> so she forced it to end. >> just louisiana is 300,000 people in a that go to work evey in this industry. you can't just beat up on them. >> they have to sit here and listen to the federal government say we can't share a penny with you? i will not rest until this injustice is fixed. >> and she won. now as the new chairman of the energy committee -- >> do you think there are a bunch of fairy god mothers out there that just wave a magic

wand? >> she holds the most powerful position in the senate for louisiana. >> the "weekly standard" was the first to catch on to the reenactment, realizing the footage does not come from c-span or any other program. as buzz feed pointed out, there are other issues landry's team overlooked. look at all the red arrows. in her original comments, she said the word "wish" instead of wand. >> do you think there are a bunch of fairy god mothers out there that wish a magic want. >> willie, let me just say, i think i'm in love. you reenact a senate commercial for a hearing. hey, what are you going to do? >> if she weren't making up this evenings from the past. she said it -- >> she said it fine the first

time. >> willie, tomato tomato. come on. i don't really care if paul revere rode or not. i'm telling you what i've been saying to mike barnicle. this is a tough one. she always wins by 6 1/2 votes. >> still a great ad. >> it is a great ad. >> the staffer is almost sort of asleep behind her. they were good props. very realistic. >> comatose behind the senate. >> if they'd been keen with no pats looking up eagerly. >> listen, it's all very good stuff. i like it all. you know, it's -- i will say, the point is she did say those words in the hearing. if she had made up, it would be a much bigger, u if she hadn't gone straight off the transcripts. >> i agree. >> storm in a tea cup?

>> yes. >> yeah. >> yes. i think people in louisiana are going to -- >> i don't think they're going to be shocked. >> are going to be absolutely shocked. >> i think they're home in shreveport saying "can you believe she changed a word"? >> do you think this is the most popular thing that happened in wisconsin politics, mike? >> early on, that was blaze that paul newman played? you got to go back and look at that one given. >> huey long. >> not huey. i think it was earl. >> my little woman. >> anyway, we'll get to that later. so anyway -- >> former new york city city mike bloomberg, we were just talking to him in the previous story. if you thought leaving office would be rest and relaxation for bloomberg, think again. a new $50 million plan revealed

by bloomberg to challenge the national rifle association on gun control. the new group will be called "every town for gun safety" and will be bankrolled by the former mayor himself. he'll focus on building a grass roots operation to rival the nra. in his interview with the "times," bloomberg was asked whether his own persona of being a balance mayor, big gulf banning former mayor of new york could undercut his efforts? he said i don't know what your perception is of our reputation and mean, the name bloomberg and the country, he said, but every place he goes he added "you're a rock star." he also spoke on his legacy of tackling gun safety and obesity issues, telling the "times," quote, i'm telling you, if there is a god, when i get to heaven,

i'm not stopping to be interviewed, i'm heading straight in. i have earned my place in heaven. it's not even close. end quote. mayor michael bloomberg. >> so i'm wondering, katty, how would michael bloomberg fare in your confidence quiz? god, that one just took the bank! he just broke the machine. >> you need to send him -- >> i don't think you need to. >> no, i think he's all set. >> i think he's good there. >> listen, if he doesn't fare well, he could just buy it. >> wow. >> that's amazing, his place in heaven. >> it's locked. hey, st. peter, get out of my way. >> he's got heaven on lock. >> what did the man in the cab say to me? >> what do you think about the gun group, though? he's tried this before as mayor. now he's doing it from the outside. he's got unlimited money.

i think the point jeremy raises in the piece and we heard this before, is he the right messenger? >> no, he's not. in some states maybe so but as you go to the south, as you go to parts of the midwest, you would do much better having a third party group doing this. that's just the reality. you can run the polls. so -- >> he says he's got a specific way that he wants to do it. the plan is that he's going to go after particularly mothers, women, one by one, he says, during the court of the interview. a bit like that campaign, mothers against drunk driving, and try to make a movement through mothers. >> that was really the move -- a year ago would have been the move to get third-party groups, conservative women -- >> who knew people -- >> whose family, you know, had to come from hunting families, people that understand guns and understand the gun culture and

embrace the gun culture but think that a background check is not a bad thing. basically takes the same position that ronald reagan and george w. bush took on guns. >> the big difference is there's no big advocacy group that i can think of for drunk driving. the madd cam pan was not against an organized opposition. >> coming up, we have rachel boynton who is here with her new documentary "big men" and mary thompson has a look at the brave new world of digital currency, bitcoins but first bail caill k has a look at the forecast. >> we have 70s in a lot of the country. now the latest cold blast has moved from the midwest right to the east coast and now those feeling the frigid effect are in new england and it did snow on

the tail end of that storm. look at the temperatures. it not even factoring in the wind chill. we're at 27 in auburn. new york city had a trace of snow at 32 and d.c. at 35. this about 30 degrees colder at this time than this time yesterday. freeze warnings in effect from kentucky into the deep south. we got very cold last night. now we're starting to warm it back up. this is very cold for this time the year. notice in the great lakes the 1. we went down to 2 in michigan, the coldest it's been this late in the season. we have more snow today on the way. it's a small storm but it is going to hit up around duluth pretty hard. minneapolis northward, you're going to get in some bands of snow tonight and the possibility of 6 to 12 inches of snow in duluth. that's just cruel around here. thankfully, no other big storms are on the way.

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it's time to take a look at the "morning papers." we start with the "new york times." two people are dead and more than 200 are missing after a ferry capsized off of south korea. the vessel was carrying hundreds of high school students and

teachers. 176 people have been rescued so far. the cause of the accident still under investigation. >> that's a horrifying scene. >> a judge in milan is ordering former italian prime minister silvio berlusconi to community service. >> why? >> because of his tax fraud. >> he connects with the i don't think people in ways many politicians would love to connect with the young people. >> he'll be required to spend four hours a week working at a community center for the elderly. the other end of the spectrum. >> how does he define elderly, though? 24? >> it's a cruel blow for him. >> the judge would spare him jail time and house arrest but the court will monitor his location. >> from "the wall street journal," the world's second

largest economy is slowing down. china's growth rate came in slightly above expectations but there are concerns that could lead to unemployment in china, as massive double-digit growth is starting to slow down. >> absolutely. >> "forbes," walmart's low wage workers cause u.s. taxpayers nearly $2.6 billion in public assistance programs. walmart says the report is misleading and that 99% of its employees earn more than minimum wage. a spokesperson says both full time and part-time employees take home an average of $11.83 an hour. >> and "the atlanta journal-constitution" shows the average ceo earns 331 times the average workers' employees. ceo pay is down slightly from 2012 when they made an average

of $12.3 million. >> the "san antonio news express." a 23-year-old who relieved himself on the door of the alamo in texas will spend 18 months behind bars with no option for parole. daniel atkins let himself go on the door of the alamo -- >> why would do you that? >> he pled guilty to felony criminal mischief -- >> his attorney said the quote is "don't whiz on the alamo." wow. i won't forget that one. >> boy, i can tell you, i wish -- i wish somebody had told jim vand hyte that. >> what's the last national monument you whizzed on?

he's thinking about it, thinking about it. the >> there's a lot of stuff. got to think about it. >> let's look at "politico." >> on his shoes. can you say you're a monument. >> you and mcintosh. >> that could be a "seinfeld" episode. >> martin o'malley has done little to hide his presidential interests. now he's racking up achievements progressives will fall in love with this. how strategic that he's going to run here? >> i think he wants to run. he's done a bunch of stuff as governor, minimum wage, gun control, to be able to position himself to run himself against

cuomo or hillary or biden. it's hard to see him as a factor against hillary. >> he's a relatively unknown candidate right now, governor o'malley. i'm interested in the money-raising impact, the hillary situation, has on marty o'malley and all the other peripheral candidates out there. >> right now there's not that much money raising going on by the potential 2016 crop of candidates. it matters more profoundly in some of the groups that want to got involved in the 2014 campaign senate races. they say because she's not getting that involved and not helping out in 2014 the way they would like her to, that's where it could have an appreciable effect. once you get to 2016, it will lock up all the money. that's one of the reasons i

think hillary is certain to run is she'll have more money than she'll actually need to pull off a campaign. >> last night senator ted cruz was in south carolina. did he say anything to make you think he could run? >> i think he's virtually certain to run. i want to pull up this quote. it's not whether we think he could unite the republicans, it's whether republicans in carolina that think he's not. nick mullvaney's quote is it's the same thing you hear on fox news every night. the folks who are going to make a difference are the folks that follow the issues much more deeply. if that's the response in south

carolina, where will ted cruz's message -- >> is ted cruz capable of doing what it would take to reach into the middle of the party? >> i don't see it, just because he's so defined now. his big moment in the sun, which we talked a lot about on the show, when he was making his big stance in congress and shut down the government and leading the tea party uprising, his moment in the sun is he's so far to the right, he's become a champion of a small sliver. there's a lot of real authentic conservatives people would consider more electable. you're going to line him up against a scott walker, against a john kasich or a paul ryan. you're going to say is ted cruz really the answer for the republican party? >> how representative do you think south carolina is of the national reap party today? >> very. other than newt gingrich winning in 2012, south carolina has always been the fire wall for

republican mainstream candidates. jim, this is the thing about south carolina. as you know, south carolina today is not the south carolina of let's say 1990. it's changed dramatically. a lot of people have come into the state. it's a real economic revolution started by carol campbell in the 1980s. if you go to greenville, extraordinary the transformation over the past 20 years, just extraordinary. and they are mainstream, main street republicans. a lot of people would think you go from iowa with religious conservatives to new hampshire, more moderate down to south carolina. and people think, oh, okay, they're going to the deep south and it's going to be like alabama, mississippi. it's just not. south carolina is about as mainstream republican in presidential primaries and for people that are skeptical at home, look at what -- they saved

bush's candidacy in 2000. go back 1996, dole after getting be beaten up in new hampshire, bush in '92. it's just what republicans have done. >> you have to look at places like south carolina and virginia, because that's sort of the changing south. that's the trend where you're eventually going to see that happen in georgia. you're seeing more of it in texas. what people thought would sell to the base and i think still sells to the base today will be something radically different three, four years from now as the demographic portrait of the state continues to change. i think 2020 is when it really changes and alters. >> coming up, the money and power from ghana's first commercial oil field. rachel boynton joins us next. "morning joe" will be right

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that is a scene from the new documentary "big men" and joining the table now, the film's director and writer, rai rachel boynton. >> welcome. >> thank you. >> it's a fascinating documentary that makes us all into the world we all rely on, the energy and oil. tell us why you wanted to take us behind the curtain. >> i started thinking of this in 2006, at the time the oil prices were going through the roof. i felt i wasn't see ing anythin from inside the business.

i thought that would be interesting. >> you followed dallas-based cosmos energy, as they developed the first commercial oil field in ghana's history. the "new york times" says this cool and insizive snapshot is as remarkable for the access as the refusal to judge. tell us about the access. >> i was very lucky. they had big people behind them. getting access to those kinds of people is very difficult. i went in, i did a power point demonstration. i said, please do this movie and here is why. it was a very bad power point presentation. but they said yes to me. i followed them for years as they were trying to basically make the deal work. they got into a lot of trouble -- >> this is a woman after your own heart. >> dualing power point presentation. >> you would win. >> i'm not so sure.

>> the refusal to judge, was that part of the decision you made, the refusal to judge? >> i'm a very open. i feel like in the media, no offense to you guys, we don't see a lot of things that are purely open and allow people to speak for themselves in an extended way. >> how did you let them do that, given the fact that you don't allow anybody any control over your footage? >> you'd have to ask them why they said yes to me. i'm not really sure. maybe they just thought i was cute or something. i don't know. >> you know, i think they did. >> okay. they say that helps. >> but don't documentaries more often than not have a point of view? aren't they trying to tell a story or express some conclusion that you might have reached? >> she definitely tells a story. >> i was about to say, it tells a real story. it's kind of a crazy ride because you're not just in with these oil companies, you're in

with militants in the delta carrying a.k. 47s. the goal was to take them in a room again and again they never have access to. that was the joy of the film. >> what was the shocker to you as you're putting it together? >> as a producer when you're trying to work in africa, none of the cell phones work. you're trying to make phone calls all the time and you can't have conversations on the often unless you fly there. i was flying back and forth like a crazy person in order to have a conversation. and one of the things that shocked me, i don't know, i was shocked by, first of all, how open people were with me from all stripes, you know, that the oil guys were so open. and that the militants were so open about how they were feeling. they all feel like they have a story to share. >> so have any of them seen this movie yet? if so, what kind of reactions do you get from the participants? >> well, i made a promise to people that i would try and show

it to them before i showed it to the public and i did that. i went down to dallas and showed the people at cosmos and they seemed to like the film. >> what do you think the audience will take away from the film? >> i think there are a lot of questions. first of all, i think it was a wild ride ash great experience. i think there are a lot of questions about who gets what out of these deal and why. all of the questions center around the basic question of who deserves maximum profit and with why. >> it's very interesting. i think you sold them on allowing you to do this because you're smart, self-deprecating and maybe the smile. >> she's gorgeous, come on. the work she did, amazing. so double whammy. >> it's called "big men" in selected theaters. thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> "morning joe" will be back in just a moment.

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for now it's a cheaper way to send money around the globe, all without the oversight of a central bank. >> i thought it was really interesting to see people take currency back. >> reporter: bitcoin believers placing their trust in the math protecting and directing the bitcoin system, not in god or a government. >> i've always known a world without cash p. i just look at my wallet.

that was is a view of a new documentary and it's trillion to pay back the layers on all this. we now have mary thompson with us here on set and brian sullivan. gang, we're going to rely on you. barnicle is here as well to explain this to all of us. >> barnicle needs help in being -- you need a little bitcoin assistance from mary, do you not? >> i'm just going to jump in here. it would take probably a little too much of our time to explain bitcoin. that's part what we do in this digital documentary. we wanted to explore the passion behind the uprising. there are a lot of very smart people who believe this is the future of payments. at the same time there are some nay sayers and there's tension in the community. a lot of countries backed bitcoin because there is no government involvement. but then you want bitcoin

entrepreneurs who want it to be more legitimate. they need that to grow their businesses. there a lot of interesting segments within the bitcoin environment. we tried to bring this to you in this digital documentary. >> there are people that obviously understand and have a great investment in the future of bitcoin. as you're pointing out right there, that is the biggest concern for people is figuring out the safety issue and regulation of this. if government agencies aren't involved, who is overseeing it? >> that's right. this is something that is at the core of pushing bitcoin forward it it is accepted by the general public. a lot of people feel you can't get you and me to buy into it if it's not protected the way, say, our bank accounts are. this is the tension that exists within the community. some people in the bitcoin community telling me they don't

think general acceptance will come for decade or more. but this is the beginning and we wanted to document it. >> mary, what's the level concern about minimal government involvement, no or minimal central bank involvement of various governments, money being transferred rather anonymously from one place to another. what about terrorism? >> well, that's certainly a big focus for people like the head of the department of financial services for new york state. while he sees the promise in bitcoin, ie, that it could mean lower money transactions for constituents, he concerned it could become a safe haven. that's why regulators are looking at it. the irs says it's going to tax it as property. some say it's a commodity, others say it's a currency. all of these questions need to

be answered but at the same time regulators have to be on their toes, law enforcement officials have to be on their toes, again, to make sure that it isn't used for money laundering or other nefarious purposes. >> mary thompson, it's brian sullivan from cnbc. good morning, by the way. >> good morning. how are you? >> you got to meet some of these folks. who are they? who are the bitcoiners? we know the twins -- >> they're kind of the glamour element of bitcoin. we met two characters in the documentary. one is a guy, steve, from valparaiso. he has a mini bitcoin mining operation in his basement. they're what produces bitcoin. they're kind of the printing presses for the digital currency. and family man, very, very bright, he, like many of them, is very tech savvy. that's how he got interested in

bitcoin. right now he sees it kind of as an investment, a little bit of a fun experiment. on the other extreme, we went to austin, texas and spent time with jonathan roomian. he is a tech whiz kid, graduated from college in his teens, he's living the bitcoin lifestyle and he can't embrace it unless he basically fully immerses himself in it. he works for a bitcoin company, he pays for all of his rent and gas with bitcoin. >> i don't understand this -- >> we watch a documentary. essentially what happens is there's a group of computers. there is a race around the globe between these computers to solve complex math problems. and once you solve these complex math problems, you are rewarded bitcoin for solving those problems. it's all part of the bitcoin

program. and what this does is it controls supply of bitcoin. essentially what you have is about 12.5 bitcoin being printed every ten minutes. i urge you to watch the documentary on investmentinc.com. >> mary thompson, thank you so much. brian sullivan, thank you as well. our heads have exploded over bitcoin, as you know. barnicle and i are toast. ♪

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great interns here, dom, who we featured here on "morning joe" before. do you remember this? >> i can't wait to be with someone who is happy, not because of my age but where i got in my career, because i'm motivated, because i spent my early 20s -- i'm only 22. i don't need to have a timeline. i'm having the best time in my life. i'm working, which most people my age aren't at this age. >> that is true. >> she's working so hard that dawn has kicked us to the curb to go to "nightly news" with brian williams. >> congratulations. it's great having you. thank you. >> i've loved this experience so much. this team is great. everyone is fantastic. >> thank you so much and thank you for lying. we'll give you your gift on the way out. >> mike barnicle? >> easy. i learned not to urinate at the alamo. >> all right. >> and judge scarborough, above average competence level

according to the online quiz. >> katty? >> everyone else has to take the confidence quiz and join joe in the top bracket. >> all right. coming up next, we have luke russert, mike barnicle -- >> doing the "daily rundown." >> a terrifying sight in south korea as a ferry sinks with hundreds of passengers on board. the u.s. is ready to help in the rescue. the u.s. uses its force to try and stop pro-russian rebels but some ukrainian tanks flying pro-russian flags hint that it may be getting even more complicated. and several democrats with brand name bravado of hitting several bumps on the way to mid terms. this is "the daily rundown." i'm luke russert in for the great chuck todd. we begin with developing news just