also reading this book. katty kay and claire shipman. the book of course it "the confidence code." thank you, ladies, for joining me. >> thank you, alex. that is all for now, i'll see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. "the ed show" is coming up next. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show" live from detroit lakes, minnesota, i'm ready to go! let's get to work! ♪ >> this is a welfare cowboy. >> all against a guy and his cows. >> wow, something's spooking the cattle. >> they actually used to let the cows roam free. >> leave us alone here in nevada. >> we can't have american people that violate the law and just walk away from it. >> get your army out of nevada. get your army away from my ranks. >> these people are waiting for the big federal apocalypse.

they're waiting for the big war. >> as far as the bundy family, they're not thinking about backing down. i would argue a little bit that the media coverage that myself and some other people have given to this case played a part in this. >> stand by for more on the cattle battle. >> you've got to believe that something's brewing here, no? good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. we're going to start the program with a word that republicans just love to throw around "freeloader." that's right. freeloader. you see the dictionary defines freeloader as a person who is supported by another without making an adequate return. hmm. pretty definitive. isn't it, nevada rancher clive bundy's picture should be next to this word. because he say freeloader and has been for decades. >> bundy, you see, has been grazing his cattle on federal lands for decades and has

refused to pay any land fee. see, he doesn't believe in the federal government. the courts, the correspourts in country have decided cliven bundy is a law breaker. the federal government seized his cattle. now, typically, the story would be over with and go away. and most people would just pony up and do what they got to do. pay the fees. unfortunately, sean hannity and fox news got involved. hannity has decided to stand with the law breaker. sean hannity has put bundy on his show four times in the past week. he's had four times to spew his anti-government sentiment. after bundy's first two appearances our militias and demonstrators showed up to get his cattle back. on saturday, the bureau of land management rye leased bundy's

cattle. and also a role in the standoff. >> in my mind, there's no doubt so many people showed up to support you. i would argue that the media coverage and myself that we've given in this case played a part in this bus none of it made sense. >> well, sean, don't break your arm patting yourself on the back for all the wrong reasons. here's what sean hannity played a part in. this is a picture of a sniper aiming his rifle at federal agents on saturday. i think hannity emboldened these type of people to take this kind of action. that is a combat position. that is somebody who is ready for anything that's going to come down to be judge, jury and executioner right there. bundy's cattle being peacefully released -- well, that wasn't good enough for hannity. on tuesday night he speculated. armed conflict may still be on the table. >> a former nevada sheriff

claims that his sources inside the federal government say that the bureau of land management may be quietly planning to raid the bundy ranch. couple that with harry reid's comments that this is not over. you've got to believe that something's brewing here,no? if he's saying this is not over and sources inside the government, what would happen, god forbid, they would come early to the ranch, if they came to arrest you would you sun render? surrounding your ranch and taking your cattle none of it made any sense. and i think there's got to be a more peaceful way. aman, as you hear harry reid speaking and the sheriff, what are your plans, i assume as cliven's son, you want to protect your dad? what are your plans if they come late in the night? do you worry that in fact they may kill either your dad or

someone in your family? >> wow! that leaves me almost speechless. it's a court order. the guy owes $1 million in back fees for grazing his cattle on federal lands. the same thing every other rancher pays in the great united states of america. hannity has said many times on his program that he wants violence off the table in nevada. meanwhile, he floats the possibility of death? you know what this guy is? this guy is totally out of bounds for a broadcaster. we're talking about the death -- the possible death of bundy? assuming that the federal government's going to go in and kill people. the bundys made it clear, if the feds show up, it won't be pretty. >> if they come, we'll deal with them tonight. if that's what we've got to do, we'll deal with you. if you got guts to do it, come on. >> they're going to do what they're going to do if that's their plan. again, if they took him or whatever else they did, i mean,

even if they kid him, the people will answer to that. and what i mean by that, they will answer that, they will be the ones to make it right. they will be the ones to stand up. millions of people know what's going on. >> do you worry that in fact they may kill either your dad or somebody in your family? >> you know, this battle's been going on my whole life almost. and if death were our main fear, we wouldn't be here today. freedom is much greater than death. >> fox news and sean hannity should be ashamed of the coverage of this law breaker and this law breaking nevada rancher and his family. i sean hannity is cheerleading for armed conflict with the federal government. hannity and fox news are playing with fire. you don't have to go very far back in american history. let's give them a quick lesson here on what happens when harmed

anti-government law breakers challenge the federal government and court orders. in 1993, 80 people, including four federal agents, were killed in waco, texas. the alcohol, tobacco and firearms folks, they were attempting to arrest mens of the branch davidians. suspected of violating federal firearms laws. in 1982, two people including a u.s. marshal killed during a raid in ruby ridge, idaho. randy weaver refused to surrender on charges of possessing illegal weapons. 1983, gordon call and his son fatally shot two u.s. marshals in medina, north carolina. call refused to pay his taxes or fees and was being arrested on violating his parole. cliven bundy, now, he's not at the same levels as these criminals that i just listed but if he shoots at federal agents, he will be. it's unbelievable that hannity would go so far to stand with

law breakers who have admitted they will do whatever it takes to break the law. >> i'm glad at this point it has not ended in a catastrophe. i fear, guys, this is not over. i would take harry reid's admonition warning seriously. i was scheduled to be out there tonight if this didn't end this weekend. if they come back, i'll be out there with you. thanks for being with us. >> there's still plenty of time for you to go out there, sean. go out there and do it. stand there again. that's what you said you were going to do. of course, you said you were going to get water boarded too. hannity is not reporting. he's promoting the position of a law breakers. we don't get to pick and choose the laws. we got to follow them all. most ranchers pay their land fees. their use fees across america. it's not fair cliven bundy gets

to ignore the law on the help of a broadcast on a network that lets him go rogue. it's interesting, hannity often talks about intel elect wall honesty. where is the intellectual honesty of this broadcaster to give these law breakers hope that they may be on the correct side of the law? he's emboldening their attitude to go out and do what they want to do. insinuating they may be correct in all of this, despite the court order, despite that family owing $1 million to the federal government. but wait a minute, they don't believe in the federal government. so they're takers, that's what they are. it's interesting how fox news and sean hannity will just absolutely rail on people. for unemployment extension. and, those, of course, on food stamps. but when it comes to bundy, ooh, that's a different story. you see, he hates the government -- doesn't believe in the government.

it doesn't matter how much he owes. he is being defended by c conservatives. you know who the bad guy is in all of this? well, it's harry reid. the senator from nevada, he said everybody's got to pay their fair share and pay the federal government. it is a law. but make they don't want a representative of government anymore. maybe this is part of an ola arcky. who is responsible? text "a" for hannity, "b" for bundy. 77622. to msnbc.com. for more, i'm going to bring in msnbc contributor and former montana governor brian schweitzer and also jon ralston,

host of "ralston reports." gentlemen, good to have you with us tonight. mr. ralston, you first, how is this being received by the residents of nevada? in the last 24 hours with all the hyped reporting that fox has been doing and the rhetoric that's been going back and forth, where do you think mr. bundy stands with the residents of that state? >> well, i think it depends on your sanity level, ed. if you actually know what's going on here, you understand that sean hannity whipping this into something that it's not. mike huckabee is saying things. all kind of conservative blog, are going nuts. if you're the kind of person who believes that cliven bundy is -- wait for it, ed -- rosa parks which is the comparison. and if you think that it's the nazis, what they're saying on conservative blogs and commentators are saying i'm sure you're upset. but if you know the facts and

smart nevadians know the facts including some by the bundy ranch, i had one of them on my program who is furious about what's going on up there, this guy, as you pointed out, has broken the law. he's not paid his bills essentially for decades. he owes a fortune to the federal government which he says he does not recognize the existence of the federal government. he is being portrayed as something he is not. he's being portrayed as a hero and a victim. he is not. he's what you said earlier, ed, a welfare cowboy. and he's being used as a symbol and exploited by the likes of sean hannity. and much worse said, politicians here in nevada who want to use him to score political points in rural nevada. and they are partly responsible for those militia folks and for causing potential violence. one last thing, ed, quickly, the blm did not handle this well.

they did not. but that does not excuse what's come out of this. and now what kind of precedent does it set that they stand down in the face of all of these folks from out of state coming in in with their weaponry saying you know what, this guy can break the law but if we bring enough militia folks here we'll let him break the law. >> governor, you're a montana cattleman. what's your take on this situation? and what's it going to take to resolve all of this? >> well, those of us in cattle industry don't support the bundies at all, in montana, in idaho, in nevada. people in the cattle business pay their bills. grazinging on federal land doesn't mean own that federal land. if you graze cattle on private land in idaho or montana, or utah, you pick the state, you're going to pay somewhere between $20 and $30 to put a cow and calf on that pasture per month. if you graze on federal land, and you have the right to graze

on federal land, you'll pay about $1.35. b but bundy wasn't even willing to pay 6% or 8% of market value. $1.35. for 20 years he's been putting 500 head of cattle on your land, america. on your land. even with the huge subsidy, he's not willing to pay it. most of us would consider a guy like this a drifter. >> well, governor, the federal government is not going to let this sliding, are that? they're not going to let this guy go forward? this has to come to some type of resolution, he owes the federal government and united states treasury $1 million? >> it will come to a head. look. and harry reid is exactly right. this guy has had a couple of federal cases that he's lost. he's had the judges instruct him he's to remove his cattle. he's had the judges instruct him to pay the bills over the course of the last 15 years.

he refuses to abide by it. it's interesting, he says, he doesn't recognize the federal government's role. he recognizes nevada. but if he was leasing his land from nevada, he would pay $12, not $1.35. so his argument is illogical. you know, look, round up the cattle, sell the cattle and have him pay his bills. if he was putting his cattle on my land and he hasn't paid me for a couple years, those cattle wok headed to market and that check would come to me, the landowner. that's the way it works in western law. i know sean hannity doesn't know much about cattle business. doesn't know a tongue from a tail, and he doesn't understand western range law. >> jon, how do you think that this situation is going to play out? i mean, you say that the blm didn't handle it well. well, the blm isn't used to having people owing the federal government $1 million. so, what's the resolution here?

how do you see this pan out? >> well, i have to tell you, ed, i'm worried about it. when i mentioned the blm, i mentioned they came in and set up these so-called first amendment zones and they got some people riled up. but it wasn't people who got the militia folks to come down here. they come down here. they're heavily armed. there's hundreds of people down there. there's children out there. what are they going to do? i think the governor was very concern about it. so what you do do now, harry reid is right, it shouldn't be over because the guy owes the money. you can't let him get away with this. how do you resolve this without violence? i think you have to let tempers cool if that's possible. very difficult with people like sean hannity and politicians here continuing to whip this into a frenzy. this guy has been in the newspaper and on tv every night since supposedly the standoff ended. i'm telling you, somebody who lives here, forget being a

journalist, i worry about what could happen up there if this situation is replicated. i don't know how the government now resolves this except to wait a little while and try to find a way to do it quietly. >> jon, i've got to ask you, do you think hannity and fox news out of bounds, the platform they've given these people? i mean, the amount of air time, almost promoting and inspiring him to keep ongoing and he's going to go stand with him him. i mean, we awe have a boss has sean hannity gone rogue on fox news? how much responsibility is fox news going to have if there is a hooting match out there? your thoughts on all of that. >> ed, if we're going to do a program here on sean hannity's irresponsibility, we better do a telethon. for him, this is nothing new, except that this might cause violence. he's totally responsible.

it has nothing to do with him not understanding the laws of the west or cattle. he's just fueling this frenzy in a completely irresponsible way. and he's taking credit, as you pointed out for these folks comes down there with their weapons. hoping to shut down an interstate and potentially causing violence. of course, he has responsibility, but his behavior does not surprise me in the least. >> and i'm going to be let the cattleman finish this segment tonight. governor schweitzer, there's a lot of loving cattlemen in the country. images, and what are they doing to ranchers across america? >> those ranchers are home calving right now and paying their bills. there isn't any rancher that wants this black eye with not paying bills. we who raise cattle in this

country, we pay our bills. and this guy bundy, doesn't pay his bills. that's what the discussion is about. he owes this bill. he has taken the grass from you, the american people, and he's not willing to pay. >> brian schweitzer, jon ralston, thanks for your time tonight. appreciate it so much. coming up, a conversation about race in america sets off a firestorm of hate. why hank aaron is under attack for just speak issing his mind. but first, a new conspiracy theory takes aim. ♪

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welcome back to "the ed show." you know, we want to believe as a society that a lot has changed since 1974 when baseball legend hank aaron was the target of racist hate mail after breaking babe ruth's career home run record. well, folks, it's 2014 and hank aaron is still are receiving racist hate mail. last week, aaron was honored on the 40th anniversary of breaking that record. and at the time, aaron sat down with "usa today" sports columnist bob nighti ingale and

said, sure, this country has a black president when you look at a black president, president obama is left with his foot stuck in the mud from all of the republicans with the way he's treated. we have moved in the right direction and there have been improvements but we still have a long ways to go. the bigger difference is back then, they had hoods. now, they have neck ties and starched shirts." well, those comments set off a firestorm, "usa today" reports sheer racism exposed in vile letters directed to the hall of fame hank aaron have poured into the atlanta braves offices over the past week. yes, it was like 1974 all over again. yesterday, baseball celebrated the 67th anniversary of jackie robinson's first game with the brooklyn dodgers. players' league, well, around the league, wore retired number 42 to celebrate the man who broke baseball's color barrier. jackie robinson stepped on to

the field back in 1947. in 2014, hank aaron still can't speak his mind on the issue of race without having racial slurs directed towards him. we sure do have a long ways to go. maybe baseball will show us the way. joining me now on the rapid response panel, terrence moore, columnist at mlb.com and bob nightingale, "usa today" baseball columnist. gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight. on a sad story, unfortunate that a great one such as hank aaron or anyone of color would have to put up with this. bob, you interviewed aaron and got a chance to read some of the hate mail he received after your article came out. what struck you the most? >> i mean, just heartbreaking. everything mr. aaron said holds true, where he said as much as things have changed, a lot have stayed the same. just as racism is not as overt as it used to be, but simply

camouflaged. and i think the mail that's gone to the braves' offices this week simply reflect that to signal what's still going on. >> terrence, what does it say about where we stand as a country? i mean, how can we have tough conversations about race if this is going to be the response? >> well, i'll tell you something, ed i worked at the "atlanta journal-constitution" for 25 years i was the first african-american general sports columnist in the history of the south. back in 1984. pie discovered very quickly, when people talked about the new south, that means i could drink out of the same water fountain with you and bob. okay. the stuff i got was beyond viciousness. this doesn't surprise me. i've known hank for over 30 years. he talks to me more than he talks to any other reporter. and we talked today. a couple times, as a matter of fact. hank is upset with the entire

situation in the sense he does not have a problem speaking his mind. he's been doing that forever but he does not like being taken out of context. and one of the stories making the rounds here that he compared the republican party to the ku klux klan which he never did. and he basically said what he said in bob's well written article and a lot of people taking things to a further extent. and with all the hate mails and what have you, this is hank aaron 80 years old with a surgically repaired hip. he slipped and fell on the ice near atlanta. he's reliving all the nightmares that he did back in the '60s and '70s. and he doesn't want to do it anymore. and he's very fed up with this. >> well, terrence, what did he say about the republicans and the treatment of president obama? put it in context for us. bob, i want to ask you the same thing. >> you would have to ask bob. he talked to bob about that. i will say this, having talked to hank.

and i know hank as well as anybody, hank does not shy away from his support of barack obama. he's been outspoken about that. he's never shied away from his stance for civil rights. as a matter of fact, i did a huge interview with him for another network, and parts of it is going to air as time goes on. hank he told me the story he told years ago, when jackie robinson died in 1972, his hero, by the way, hank went to other famous black athletes back then and said, look, now that jackie has died we have to pick up from where jackie left behind and take over from here. the other black athletes didn't want any parts of that. hank said i will do it myself. he became very outspoken in the civil rights movement. he became very powerful. the atlanta braves ahead of the farm system that set in system the four winning titles.

all of the stuff in the atlanta community with the chasing dream foundation and what you have. he's always been outspoken and out there. he doesn't have a problem with that. what he's had a problem with, people in the media, not bob per se, taking him out of context when he says what he says and he means what he says. >> well, bob, what did he say in your interview? what did you gather from him? >> pretty much what he's saying is, just because we have a black president, don't think for a second racism doesn't exist in this country. remember now, he just got the congressional medal of honor from president obama. had his portrait in the smithsonian. so he just saw president obama in january. and he feels for him. they're friends. he feels the frustration for as far as not getting things done the way he wanted to. the policies and obviously, a lot of republicans have stood in that way. just as democrats have probably stood in president bush's way.

never once said if you're a republican you're racism or alluded to the ku klux klan, he said he was frustrated for president obama. the fact just because you're a black president, don't think that the country is secure now with racism. >> can i add something real quick? >> yes, sir. >> one of the things i've discovered again being a sports columnist here in the south and just in general. and if you are a black person, and i speak from experience on this. if you say anything about race. it's always been this way and it's even gotten worse. then there's this reverse psychology that takes place with a group of people out there they try to flip it around and say you're the racist. if you're a black person you're not allowed to say anything about racism. in particularly now, when we have a black president, people are using that as an excuse to a, of course, we have a black president and racism doesn't exist anymore.

that's probably what hank is going through here. anybody that says that or anybody else you're labeled a racist because people who have that mind-set try to flip it around on you. >> do you think players today experience anything near what hank aaron has gone through, bob nightingale? >> no, no, not to this level. reported right away and told the authorities. but i think we're fooling ourselves to think there's no racism at all in sports. you know, for instance, it's appalling that we haven't had an african-american catcher since charles johnson in 2005. there's only 11 or 12 black pitchers in baseball. you know, it's almost -- if you're not an everyday position player or a star player, you're have the bench. very few african-american bench player. so that's a problem. >> well, there's only 7.8% of the players on rosters in major league baseball are black players in this country which i

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welcome back to the ed show. this is the story for the folks who take a shower after work, and i mean it. corporate america is trying to buy your mail. united states postal service and staples agreed to a no-bid sweetheart deal to open postal counters in more than 80 staples stores nationwide. american of the postal workers union, well, they are not happy about it. >> we don't think that americans want to trust their mail to corporate america. it should be in the hands of trained postal employees, who are sworn to uphold the safety of the mail. >> the postal counters inside staples stores are less secure than public offices and are staffed with low-wage staples employees. the american postal workers union, which represents 220,000 postal employees is working to stop this from happening.

>> staples is after more money. they are getting discounted post office products, they want more people in their stores, and if they are not going to staff them with postal employees, then we want to take people out of their stores, it's about as simple as that. >> earlier this month, staples revealed it's planning to close 225 stores across the country over the next two years. 40 locations closed last year, and 40 other stores were downsized. the deal would put the post office at the mercy of staples' bottom line. the american postal workers union is planning protests from coast to coast on april 24th, and their president joins me tonight, who is the president of the postal workers union. good to have you with us tonight. most of the deal was kept secret. and the united states postal service was forced to turn over documents about the deal after a hearing before the national labor relations board.

what were they hiding? >> well, what they are basically hiding, ed, is that they are really not doing this deal to enhance services to the people in this country, which we are for as the american postal workers union. what the documents reflected is they are really putting these postal units in staples to lower wages, and that's what their document said. it's a smoking gun document. the documents also showed that they are discounting the product to staples so that staples can make a profit. we don't have the documents on how much, because they are crossed out and so on and so forth. we're working on getting those, but both of those things are in the postal service documents that they provided the court. >> all right. the postal service released a statement tonight saying that the retail partner expansion program with staples is not intended to replace any of the 33,000 traditional post offices or the valued employees that work in them. rather, the program is an

opportunity to grow the business and has never been an earmark to pave a way to privatization. do you believe that? >> not at all. this is a path to privatizing the retail services that people need and use every day, and the postal service's own documents contradict that statement that you just read. >> what are the biggest -- what are the biggest risks here? what are the biggest risks here. >> well, the biggest underlying risk -- well, there's two, three, a transfer of good living way jobs to low-wage jobs. the people themselves are getting service provided by employees other than postal employees who are not fully trained, not accountable to the people of this country. and the biggest underlying danger is that we can't have vibrant public postal services if where people are getting these services are made by

people and entities as to whether they can make a quick buck. so those -- those are three dangers right there. >> and it is a slippery slope. we will follow the story and your protests coming up later on in the month. >> thank you. if anybody's interested, they can come to stopstaples.com for more information. >> all right. stopstaples.com. thank you, mark, appreciate your time tonight. that's the ed show, i'm ed schultz. "politicsnation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, tonight's lead, gop extremism going from bad to worse. their 2014 candidates are showcasing the most intolerant radical views of the party, making a mockery of all their talk about gop rebranding. take mississippi candidate chris mcdaniel. we just learned that in the