violence. the carrot and the stick, the first negotiations between russia and ukraine brought together in geneva by the u.s. and europe. extended talks as in moscow, vladimir putin calls eastern ukraine new russia. thorn in the side. putin also showcases edward snowden in today's teleconference, letting snowden make a surprise appearance during a nationally televised q & a. >> so i'd like to ask you, does russia intercept, store or analyze in any way the communications of millions of individuals? >> we will bring you the answer. meanwhile, trapped, driving rain and wind hampered the desperate search today for 278 passengers, many of them deanag deanagers, still missing from that capsized south korean ferry. 18 people are confirmed dead. survivors describe the horror as they were blocked from escaping. this 18-year-old says i almost got trapped. if i was told that i should go outside coil, have jumped into

water through the exit but i couldn't. and resilient writers. today, the president and vice president welcome wounded warriors to the white house for a race where every push of the pedal makes an important statement of courage. >> inspire us. you inspire the country. some of whom will be out cheering along your ride. you inspire me with your courage, your resolve, your resilience, your tenacity, your optimism. it makes me proud to be your commander in chief. and good day, everyone, i'm andrea mitchell washington. the search for power between ukraine's government and pro-russian separatists in the east has now turned deadly. three russian supporters reportedly killed south of

donetsk. big developments in moscow today, vladimir putin calls ukraine new russia and a difficult backdrop for negotiations. leaders from russia, ukraine, the u.s. and european union meet today in geneva, first joint sessions. jim maceda joining me with the latest in doanetsk. you have looked through the region. tell us what your take what the balance of power is and what is happening with the pro-russian separatists. >> reporter: andrea, so far, the pro-russian separatists have had the momentum and every day, they seem to be more and more emboldened. but i have got to tell you, if you can hear me, because it's so loud here, i'm in what might be called the diplomatic counter offensive or political counteroffensive. the press is out in force here to cover a rare event. we are in the middle of a pro-ukrainian, not pro-russian, but pro-ukrainian demonstration and we are here, of course, because of the potential for violence most of all. so far, it's been peaceful.

started about 45 minutes ago. there are about 1,000 protesters who have come out, bravely come out, to express their opinions. 6 you might call them they are the silent majority. they want to stay in ukraine. they don't want to split from ukraine, they don't want to join rouge or be completely independent them want to be completely independent of ukraine. and there are only 1,000. that's because most of that silent imagine juror sit simply too afraid to come out and protest. hundreds of riot police surrounding this square or park where this demonstration is taking place. the reason for that the last time an event like that took place, there was violence between both sides. one person was killed. so the authorities tonight are taking no chances. lots of rumors of revenge, of retaliation for last night's

attack. you mentioned that in your lead, that killed three russians, but so far, this has been peaceful. andrea? >> jim maceda. thank you so much. and for more on the context for all of this, go to boston, where nicholas burns, former u.s. ambassador, now at harvard's kennedy school of government, joins me. nick, thanks so much. we have got a complicated situation. we are waiting on a readout from what happened in geneva. the talks were extended for several hours, longer than we thought. but also, we had this performance by vladimir putin today, who was going on and on about ukraine, calling it new russia. and what the white house and others are saying is there really is a silent majority in eastern ukraine. this is not crimea, which was obviously pro-russian and easily conquerable by putin. he has got the weapons, but that the people really in eastern ukraine, most of them in the big cities, even as these government buildings have fallen, do not want to align themselves with russia. i don't know from your experience what you think is the case. >> andrea, that's what the polls show, that the majority of

people in ukraine, even some of the ethnic russian community, they may be connected socially or politically to russia but they want to maintain their citizenship in an integrated ukraine. now, putin's strategy is very transparent. his extraordinary call-in talk show today, the comes he made, he said he has authority from the russian parliament to use military force in ukraine. the support russia's giving these armed, ethnic russians who have barricaded themselves in ukrainian government buildings since last weekend, all of this is designed by putin to hollow out the kiev government to delegitimize it, to weaken it and set up these conversations in geneva today with secretarier can rained lavrov, the russian foreign minister, are going to be talking with the ukrainians in the eu about the future of the ukraine. the russians want a federation proposal to weaken the central government in kiev, give more problems to the regions. that is problemic for the united

states and i think the ukrainian government. >> i wanted to explain this exchange between edward snowden, who happens to show up on this very controlled teleconference and asks a question of putin and let play a little bit of this and listen carefully to the way putin greets edward snowden. >> and do you believe that simply increasing the effectiveness of intelligence or law enforcement investigations can justify placing societies rather than subjects under surveillance? >> translator: of course we understand that modern means of communication are used by criminals. including terrorists for their criminal activities. certainly, secret services to use those means to react and tackle those activity, including those activities of a terrorist nature, which, of course, they do. but there is no such widespread surveillance. there is no uncontrolled surveillance. we do not allow ourselves to do that. we hope -- i hope we never do it. we do not have the technical means or the money to do that in

the u.s. most importantly, our secret services, thank god, are under a strict control of the government and the people. and their activities are regulated by the law. >> now, we heard him denying, of course, that russia has this capability, number one, and what he said in the run-up, nick, is dear mr. snowden, you are a former agent. i used to be part of the secret services, so let us speak professionally. rather remarkable run-up from the former kgb man, vladimir putin to the former, briefly cia and then nsa man, edward snowden. >> well, a remarkable, extraordinary exchange. first, i think we have come to the point, andrea, where we just can't rely on what president putin says. he has said so many things that are at variance with the root on crimea, first, now on ukraine, now in this press conference today from moscow. we have got to watch what he does and can't listen to what he says because it's preposterous

what he said this morning, that somehow, russia doesn't have an active security operation. we have seen the russian federation very aggressively try to destabilize the government of ukraine in eastern ukraine. and remarkable to see snowden there. the fact that he's still in russia and the fact that he has done so much damage to the united states. >> and it's no accident that this happened just as he knew that lavrov was sitting down with the ukrainians from kiev for the first meetings, but son support by the europeans and by the u.s. and of course, the white house is saying that they will ramp up sanctions, depending on what happens at today's meetings. >> well i think, andrea, two things about u.s. policy, the u.s. is right to try to force lavrov, the russian foreign minister to sit down with the ukrainians because the russians haven't recognized this interim ukrainian government and if they can begin these negotiations in a serious way, if that's gonna happen, it will force the russians to accept legitimacy of these people in ukraine, which is a good thing for the u.s.

the peril and danger for the u.s. and ukraine is that russia's gonna insist on a program that would effectively neutralize the ukrainian government and we can't let that happen. the u.s. leverage here is on serious sectoral and financial sanctions. it's not on just sanctioning individuals in russia, which is what the administration is talking about. it would be far preferable to see the u.s. and europe announce right now the toughest possible sanctions that might you can the only thing that wakes up vladimir putin and gets his attention and maybe might put a check on what he is doing eastern ukraine. but we don't see that type of united action from the united states and europe, unfortunately. >> the u.s. says they are calibrating this with europe and are prepared to answer russia's actions with counteractions, but it is like herding cats, isn't it, to get the french, the germans and the brits all in line, not just their leaders, but their governments. >> well, that's right. president obama, as you know,

under our constitution, has broad authority to act on behalf of the u.s. the europeans, they have to come to consensus between 29 countries, much more difficult, especially when greece and italy and spain and even many in germany don't want to put forward major sanctions because of their economic ties with russia and because of the natural gas dependence on the russian -- on gazprom, the russian gas company. the u.s. has to make a decision here, when does the u.s. play this big card of significant u.s. sanctions? it seems to a lot of people, including myself, that now's the time to do it, because now's the time you have an opportunity to effect the behavior of putin, if he effectively takes control by political means of eastern ukraine, it's going to be too late. >> nick burns, thank you so much. >> thank you, andrea. the tragedy in south korea, rescue efforts continuing through the night off the coast of south korea in a desperate search for survivors inside that overturned ferry. most of the nearly 300 missing

passengers are high school students, kids. crews are hoping possible air pockets within the ship could be keeping people alive while teams work to get inside the vessel. south korean government officials say that three large cranes will be reaching the area friday to assist in the search. there is a u.s. naval crew on standby in the region, ready to help, if necessary. and the ship's captain, hiding his face from surrounding reporters, apologizing, expressing shame for his role in the deadly incident. there are reports that he may have left the ship early. but that has not yet been confirmed. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. reports" only on msnbc.

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president obama has been going man-to-man against vladimir putin, who some argue is getting the upper hand. >> is he mocking you and the u.s. military? >> they are not interested in any kind of military confrontation with us, understanding that our conventional forces are significantly superior to the russians. we don't need a war. >> that was major garrett own cbs last night with the president. joining me for our daily fix, jonathan capehart, msnbc contributor around "washington post" editorial writer and mark hall britain in new york, senior political analyst for msnbc and "time" magazine. so, what is the -- mark, first what is the domestic significance of this obama/putin matchup, because the president seems to not be getting the better of it, partly because vladimir putin seems to be existing in his own world, as angela merkel said memorably to the president. but bottom line is he's got the guns, he's got the troops allowing that border and as far as the world is concerned, ukraine is teetering with putin

in the driver seat. >> the president can't shy away from dealing we this, quite obviously, but i can't think of a single way in terms of domestic politics this is good for the president. david axelrod has frequently pointed out the american public don't want to see the president dealing with foreign policy. they want to see him focused on the economy. it takes time and atenless away, potentially cancel fund raising and political trips, carrying more division with congress at a time when he would like to be working with congress and it can hurt the world and american economy if more sanctions go into place. he has got to deal with tax a lot of international implications, it is the job of the president. but if the question is there any way that is beneficial to the president in terms of domestic policy, i don't see it >> as we talk about domestic politics, we also think about hillary clinton in 2016, in terms of foreign policy, jonathan this is what she had to say when asked by tom friedman at the women of the world's summit in new york last week about her legacy as secretary of state. >> what do you feel was unfinished, maybe love to have another crack at one day?

>> well, i really see -- that was good. >> just sort of -- >> that's why you win prizes. look, i really see my role as secretary, in fact, leadership in general in a democracy, as a relay race. i mean, you run the best race you can run. you hand off the baton. >> so, jonathan, she's happened off the baton to john kerry, who ho's having his own challenges right now what about her legacy in the "new york times" was writing about that >> if you notice, she handed off the baton on that answer as well. she did not anticipate the question. she did not answer what her legacy would be. look, when she became secretary of state, as "the new york times" article points out, she used her star power to whip around the world to help repair the tattered relationship the united states had with many nations around the world because of the wars in afghanistan, in iraq and what a lot of countries thought was american overreach.

but, you know, as we all know in the tail end of her tenure as secretary of state, it was clouded by what happened in benghazi and questions about her role. i mean, the republicans directed all of their fire on the president, but, you know, the more she thinks about and talks about eventually running for president in 2016, the focus is going to turn on -- come back to her and what she did and didn't do during that time. the fact that secretary clinton couldn't answer the question, especially when she should know that folks are going to ask her this question, should strike people as a bit troubling. >> and mark, i know you have covered hillary clinton for so many years. i don't think they expected that it would be this difficult to explain what her legacy was as secretary of state. >> well, she needs a better answer. i suspect part of her hesitation does relate to the book. she wants the book to be the defining thing, not just to sell a lot of copies but also because that gives her a chance to break that up. i'm contrary on her point.

of course her record as secretary of state will be looked at. the "new york times" did a fine job with their piece. i don't think that will be make or break for her if she runs for president in terms of whether she gets elected. it will be her future, jobs, ability to relate to the american people as an inspirational leader, if she is the nominee and the republicans' nominee. month knot saying her time as secretary of state will be scrutinized but i don't think it will be in the top five, if she runs, does she win. >> and finally, on the political calendar today, bow biden announced he is not going to seek re-election as attorney general of delaware and is interested in running for governor of delaware in 2016. one of the issues that has been trailing him the last couple of months, since a recent illness and apparent surgery at md anderson cancer center in houston is what his healthsome his doctors have now given him a clean bill of health there are some pictures on his website which shows that he apparently did have that lesion removed, has a clean bill of health.

he is the political heir to joe biden and joe biden's political future is, of course, so closely tied to whether hillary clinton runs. jonathan and mark, thoughts aboutbiden and the future of the legacy? >> his future is secure, whether the vice president runs or not, his legacy secure in terms of the service to the country. bind, by foregoing a run for attorney general, from what i understand, that race would be this year, 2014, by pushing off and maybe running for governor in 2016, possibly gives him time to get health questions in order and things in order for that future run. >> mark, you could conceivably have joe biden and his son both running in major races in the same year. >> not the least bit surprising, it's pretty clear for a while he has bigger aspiration. he has been a very, aggressive attorney general, one of the most, aggressive in the country and he has got a lot of his father's political gifts and real close relationship to the state.

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♪ the heroin problem is one that is worthy of all our attention. there has been toob law enforcement response to this but i think we also have to make sure that we think of this as a public health issue as well and bring to bear all the forces of government in educating, preventing, treating and then holding accountable those who would engage in the drug trade of this very dangerous substance. >> attorney general eric holder speaking at a law enforcement summit about the alarming rise of heroin use that he said sneaked up on authorities the last few years. heroin use has been steadily rising in the u.s., nearly doubling, in fact, from 2007 to 2012. nbc's kate snow has filed an eye-opening and moving series of reports for nbc news about america's heroin epidemic. here is one family's story. >> reporter: gordonsteen family

has been to hell and back. danny is the second oldest of six kids. last week, he overdosed on heroin and this monday morning, he signed himself up for outpatient rehab but then wanted one last high. mom, debbie, says most of the family was home when danny's older brother found him slumped over in his room. >> i just kept yelling, is he alive and they kept saying, yes. >> reporter: her daughter, samantha, was trying to shield her 9-year-old sister from seeing her big brother like this. >> i saw my dad move him and that's when she looked at me and said is he gonna live? and she just broke down crying. >> reporter: danny's disease is affecting everyone in this family, says his father, david. >> you don't sleep. i watch my teenagers, you know, stress out about it. >> it's hard to try to explain to a 9-year-old what drug abuse is. >> reporter: in the corps other of her son's hospital room, debbie was calling residential rehab facilities. >> it was the second time in a

week that he has overdosed. >> reporter: she can't wait for a bed to open in a state-run facility so she he's found a spot at a private rehab in tennessee. family members were loaning them the $20,000 for a 30-day stay. >> i'm just praying that it works, that it really works. i'm not ashamed of my son. i'm proud of my son. and i love him with every fiber of my being and there is nothing i won't do to make sure that i give him every shot at recovery. >> kate snow joins me now from new york. kate, this was an extraordinary series, eye-opening for all of us. >> thank you. >> tell me about -- so far beyond this family. tell me how it touches so many aspects of society. >> it does that's what really, i think, came through, andrea. that family, the gordonsteens reached out to us after seeing one of our first reports and she actually twittered -- sent a tweet to me saying we are in the icu right now. that actually was last week, by the way, we first aired that story, it was last week that

danny overdosed. he, by the way, is doing really well now in recovery at that facility in tennessee. i just talked to debbie this morning. but it is pervasive and it crosses all socioeconomic lines, all, you know, all kinds of demographics, andrea. this is not something -- maybe the stereotype of people living under a bridge somewhere, that's not what this is anymore. i think you heard eric holder touching on that, too, that this is all across the nation. >> in fact, i first really focused on it with the state of the state message in vermont from the governor there in the winter and then you went to vermont and tell me about -- let's show a little bit of your report about dr. dean mckenzie and his family. >> sure. >> how many do i have on my list? >> reporter: dr. dean mckenzie says heroin has a grip on this town. >> good. after a while, you're not doing it to get high. you're doing it to survive. you're doing it so you don't get sick. >> reporter: his wife, dr. cheryl mckenzie is in the same field, a psychologist. they live in a beautiful home in the mountains with their young

kids. their older son, ryan, took us on a tour of rutland. >> there's a couple dealers on this road right here. >> on this road where the kids are riding their bikes? >> yep, on the road where the kids are riding their bikes. >> how do you know that? >> because i've bought from there before. >> reporter: that's right. the son of parents who dedicated their lives to fighting substance abuse was secretly hooked on heroin while living in their home. >> that was just extraordinary. >> oh, thank you. >> extraordinary that they would speak us to about it, too. all the folks we talked to have been so brave. i do want to just note that ryan is sober now and you has been for about a year. he is doing really well. but that's rutland, vermont. and that really is the story there and ryan's path to the drug of heroin is very similar to many people we talked to. he started out on prescription painkillers, andrea and then when those became -- when he became addicted to those and they got too expensive, his dealer said i've got something better for, a stronger high and

it's cheaper and it's heroin. that's how a lot of people are ending up on heroin. >> one of the other things that you focused on, this was with a family outside of st. louis, is narcan. and what to do when -- when your kids overdose and how the fda is involved in approving or not approving this antidote. let's play a little bit of that. oh, i'm sorry, we don't have that clip bunch talk to me about the family, denise, i think the mom, and why she was so determined to have this antidote for her own child. >> right. just to tell people this is a drug that can reverse overdefense opiates that's prescription drug -- prescription painkillers or heroin. so, parents across the country have wanted access to this drug, called narcan, the brand name of it right now denise really wanted it. she lives in missouri and currently, andrea, it's illegal in missouri. so this woman was actually getting it through an underground network illegally, because her two sons are heroin addicts and she is so worried,

they live in her house, she is so worried about them and their health that she goes to a guy who's a former addict himself who has a supply of narcan and gives it to families. now, that is going to change this summer, because the fda just recently, you may have heard, approved a new drug, it's all the he have zee yoerks new distribution of the same type of drug, like an injectable thing, almost like an epi pen, that you can keep on hand. and they will have that -- the fda has approved that by prescription to families and friends. so starting this summer, maybe more widely available. >> what about denise's older son, ryan? >> interesting, two sons, ben and ryan, great guys, i have to say you see them here in this shot. going upstairs to the apartment of the first man there chad, who is going to give them the narcan was just talking about but if you look at his eyes, you can see that ryan actually showed up to our shoot high on something. he denied that it was heroin but everybody else in the room was pretty sure that he was on

heroin that day. he has been on and off, i spoke to denise the other day, our producer did and he is doing okay. but he is battling an addiction and this is a disease, andrea, and it sometimes take years and years to find the right treatment. people go in and out of rehab and still told me they have to battle this for the rest of their lives. >> well, in just following the families, the gordonteen is and denise and the other families you profiled, such a cross section of america, so powerful, thank you for your reporting and sharing with us. >> gotten a lot of response i appreciate you having me on. and we will, of course, follow up and you can follow kate snow at kate snow on twitter and follow ounce the website, nbcnews.com as well. community members are paying tribute today to the victims of last week's deadly shootings outside two jewish centers in overland park, can cannes sass. during an interfaith ceremony they gathered to remember the lives of grandfather and dr.

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going to take you live in geneva, you can see that john kerry, the secretary of state, and katherine ashton of the european union are preparing to speak after extended meetings with the russians and with the

kiev government. let's listen to the secretary of state. >> throughout this particular initiative. diplomacy requires willing partners and i also want to thank minister dishitsia and minister lavrov for their willing work in the course of today. their readiness to engage in the constructive dialogue. we worked hard and we worked in good faith in order to try to narrow what are real differences, some of them significant, and to find a way forward for the people of ukraine that helps them in achieving their aspiration to live in a stable, peaceful and unified democracy. as recent events in eastern ukraine make clear, they need our support now and they need it more than ever. ukraine has shown admirable, sometimes i think even

remarkable restraint, in the face of considerable challenge. but no one should expect the leaders of the sovereign state to always stand by passively while public order is threatened and the public order of ukraine has been threatened in recent days. our most urgent task is to deescalate the situation in ukraine. so let me just outline where we are and some initial concrete steps that we have agreed to take in the course of the discussions today in order to deescalate the tensions and restore security for all ukrainians. the parties agreed today that all sides must refrain from the use of violence, intimidation or provocative actions. and we strongly condemned and rejected all expressions of

extremism, racism and religious intolerance, including anti-semitism. let me say a quick word about that. just in the last couple of days, notices were sent to jews in one city indicating that they had to identify themselves as jews. and obviously, the accompanying threat implied is -- or suffer the consequences, one way or the other. in the year 2014, after all of the miles traveled and all of the journey of history, this is not just intolerable, it's grotesque. it is beyond unacceptable. any of the people who engage in these kinds of activities, from whatever party or whatever e ideology or whatever place they crawl out of, there is no place

for that, and unanimously, every party today joined in the condemnation of that kind of behavior. in addition, recently, the ukrainian -- the russian orthodox church members in ukraine were threatened that the ukrainian orthodox church was somehow going to attack them in the course of the next days. that kind of behavior, that kind of threat has no place and all parties agreed that that kind of behavior is not just grotesque and unacceptable, but it will not stand the test of the direction that ukraine wants to move in. we agreed today that all illegal armed groups must be disarmed, that all illegally seized buildings must be returned to their legitimate owners and all illegally occupied streets,

squares and other public places in ukrainian cities and towns must be vacated. the government of ukraine itself affirmed, and again today, that it will grant amnesty to protesters and to those who have left buildings and other public place and surrender weapons, with the exception of those people who were found guilty of capital offenses. we also agreed, and i think this is a key part of what was focused on today, we wanted to find concrete steps, not just words, but concrete steps that could be acted on immediately in order to defuse the situation. and so we agreed that the osce special monitoring mission, which is already on the ground, whose mission has already been defined and granted, that they

undertake a special role in assisting ukrainian authorities and local communities in the immediate implementation of the deescalation measures, that they will do so wherever they are needed the most in the coming days. that means beginning immediately. the united states, the eu and russia committed to support this mission, including by providing monitors directly. now, i want to emphasize that ukraine's leaders indicated that they are prepared to go to extraordinary lengths to address regional demands for more autonomy, for local self-government, for the protection of minority rights. and i talked this afternoon with prime minister yatsenyuk and he indicated and reaffirmed his and the government's strong commitment to a genuine,

comprehensive and inclusive process by which they will engage in the constitutional reform process of ukraine. foreign minister dishitsia briefed us on the extensive and inclusive constitutional reform process already under way, which is geared to address all of the legitimate grievances, but importantly, he and prime minister yatsenyuk today committed themselves to going as far as they can to reach out to opponents, to people with different ideas, to people from different constituencies, from different geeing ofgraphy, and bring them together over the course of these next days in order to have a comprehensive, inclusive process. today, the ukraine yap foreign minister affirmed all of us repeatedly that they will have an inclusive, transparent and accountable constitutional

reform process. and it will include the immediate establishment of a broad national dialogue with outreach to all of you a crime's regions and political constituencies and will allow for the consideration of public comments and proposed amendments that will be considered. the parties also agreed on the economic financial stability of ukraine and the importance of all of us being engaged in that effort going forward. now, all of this, we believe, represents -- [ clearing throat ] excuse me. all of this, we are convinced, represents a good day's work. but on the other hand, this day's work has produced principles. and it has produced commitments.

and it has produced words on paper. and we are the first to understand and to agree that words on paper will only mean what the actions that are taken as a result of those words produce. so, it is absolutely clear now that what is important is that these words are translated immediately into actions and none of us leave here with the sense that the job is done, because the words are on the paper. the job will not be done until these principles are implemented, until they are followed up on, and what is vital is that the osce needs to get to work immediately to deescalate the security situation in luhansk, in donetsk, and all the other towns destabilized and people need to provide them the immediate access in order to be able to do

that job and we intend to be watching extremely carefully to make certain that our monitors and our embassies and our eyes on the ground are able to verify what is taking place. we fully expect the russians, as they said they would here today, to demonstrate their seriousness by insisting that pro-russian separatists who they have been supporting lay down their arms, leave the buildings and pursue their political objectives through the constitutional processes that the agreement guarantees. >> john kerry today outlining the demands from the u.s. and the west from the europe -- european union as well that people day lei down their arms that there be no more violence, that the european -- the u.n.-organized organization, the osce, get in on the ground and ver neigh this has taken place. with me at the table is jonathan capehart. jonathan, we have been told from

the white house is that there will be a ramping up in sanctions, depending how these talks went today. seems there wasn't a blowup from the prepared statement they issued. they have a step-by-step process. there was at least communication for the first time between moscow and the kiev government brokered here, midwifed, full, by the u.s. and the europeans. so, this, to merck indicates that what nick burns and others have been calling for, which is an immediate ramping up of sanctions, to let putin know he cannot move furtherer is not going to happen there will not be any further deterrent sterns at least if this meeting went as well as it seems to have. >> right. from the very beginning, people have been saying that the administration should be moving full tilt to keep the -- excuse know, keep vladimir putin from annexing crimea and then possibly doing more in eastern ukraine. as we are seeing, support happening. what we heard the secretary say, as you point out is very methodical plotting out of what

the united states has done, will do in the future. i think as we have seen on many things with this president is that's he doesn't rush head long into things. he likes it plot things out and plan things out and i think that when it comes to sanctions and other things, that there are other things in the offing. we don't know -- we don't know exactly what they are, but when certain -- i hate to say this, lines are crossed or trip wires are crossed in this particular conflict that the administration will be ready to take action. >> it just seems that the administration not dealing with as strong a hand as it would if it could deal unilaterally, they have got the europeans that they have to drag along with them, if you will, but the criticism has been that vladimir putin sees weakness here and will continue to pressure and destabilize the kiev government in the runnupup to the may elections, presidential elections there and already, in effect, politically taken control of the large part of ukraine. >> mm-hmm. you mentioned this earlier in the show that part of the

problem here is that vladimir putin is existing in his own world. and so, i think the problem for the president, the problem for the secretary and the for the administration is how do you deal with the real-world consequences of someone who is operating in a different sphere, in a different world? this is something that, as you said, german chancellor angela merkel told the president that vladimir putin is in a different world and that's the challenge here. >> and jonathan, the secretary also mentioned very strongly that they were anti-cement inc., threats that there were calls in one area from the pro-russian militia reportedly, where an area that was controlled by the russians and the administration building to -- for jews to self-identify or else. and he said in this day and able, after this march of history, that is not only intolerable it is grotesque, also saying that other threats against russian orthodox that were reported bayou cranian

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