potentially because she's got health insurance, which she just could not afford. and the question now becomes, if in fact this is working for a lot of people but there's still improvements to make, why are we still having a conversation about repealing the whole thing, and why are we having folks say any efforts to improve it are somehow handing obama a victory? this isn't about me. and my hope is, is that we start moving beyond that. my suspicion is that probably will not happen until after november, because it seems as if this is the primary agenda item in the republican political platform. but here what happei know. the american people would rather see us talk about jobs, would much rather see us talk about high college costs, would much rather see us discussing how to

rebuild roads and bridges and our infrastructure and put people back to work. they'd much rather see us talk about how we boost wages and incomes and you know improve their individual family bottom lines. and if the republicans want to spend the entire next six months or a year talking about repealing a bill that provides millions of people health insurance without providing any meaningful alternative, intend of wanting to talk about jobs and the economic situation of families across the country, that's their prerogative. at some point, i think they'll make the transition. that's my hope, anyway. if not, we're just going to keep on doing what we're doing, which is making it work for people all across the country. i'm sorry. i'm going to say one last thing about this, just because this does frustrate me.

states that have chosen not to expand medicaid for no other reason than political spite, 5 million people who could be having health insurance right now at no cost to these states, zero cost to these states, other than ideological reasons they have chosen not to provide health insurance for their citizens. that's wrong. it should stop. those folks should be able to get health insurance like everybody else. isaac, from politico. where are you? there you are. >> given all that you were saying about the affordable care act, do you think it's time for democrats to start campaigning loudly and positively on the benefits of obamacare? will you lead that charge? on ukraine you said, in other situations, iran, for example, the military option remains on the table even as talks go on on is the military option on the table with russia in if so,

would that be through nato forces, lethal aid to ukraine? >> i've been very clear that military options are not on the table in ukraine. because this i not eight situation that would be amenable to a clear military solution. what we have to do is create an environment in which irregular forces disarm, that the seizing of buildings cease, that a national dialogue by ukrainiauk, not by russians, americans or anybody else, but ukrainians takes place. they move forward with reforms that meet the interests of the various groups within ukraine, move forward with elections, and they start getting their economic house in order. that's what's going to solve the problem.

and so, obviously russia right now still has its force as massed along the ukrainian/russian border ace gesture of intimidation and it's our belief, and not ours alone but i think broad portions of the international community, believe that russia's hand is in the disruptions and chaos eve been seeing in southern, eastern ukraine. but there's an opportunity for russia to take a different approach. we are encouraging them to do so. in the meantime, we're going to prepare additional responses, should russia fail to take a different course. we've had an impact on the economy, that is well documented, it could get significantly worse. but we done have an interest in

hurting ordinary russians just for the sake of it. our strong preference would be for mr. putin to follow through on what is a glimmer of hope coming out of these geneva talks, but we're not going to count on it until we see it. in the meantime, we're going to prepare what our other options are. with respect to the affordable care act, my point is we've been having a political fight about this for five years. we need to move on to something else. that's what the american people are interested in. i think that the democrats should forcefully defend and be proud of the fact that millions of people like the woman i just described, who i saw in pennsylvania yesterday, we're helping because of something we did. i don't think we should apologize for it. i don't think we should be defensive about it. i think there's a strong, good, right story to tell. i think what the other side is

doing, and what the other side is offering, would strip away protections from those families and from hundreds of millions of people who already had health insurance before the law passed but never knew if the insurance company could drop them when they actually needed it or women getting charged more because they were a woman. i'm still puzzled why they've made this their sole agenda item when it comes to our politics. it's curious. but what i intend to talk about is what the american people are interested in hearing. our plans for putting people back to work. our plans for making sure our economy continues to innovate. our plans to make sure that, as i discussed yesterday, we're training people for the jobs that are out there right now and making better use of our community colleges and linking them up with businesses and how we're going to continue to bring

manufacturing back the way we have over the last several years. and how we're going to put more money in the pockets of ordinary people. so they want to -- if republicans want to spend all of their time talking about repealing a law that's working, that's their business. i think what democrats should do is not be defense everybody but we need to move on and focus on the things that are important to the american people right now. david jackson. >> thank you. one reason republicans talk about there are people who object to the law, who said they've had problems with the law and there are significant number of opponents to the law. what makes you think a significant majority of the american people, voters, will accept the law? are we destined it see health care as 50/50, red state blue state -- >> you're mixing things up. people who see problems with the law, that's not 50% of the american people. all right? there are may have been folks who have been affected in ways

that they weren't happy about by the law. that is a far smaller number than the million of people who have been signed up. that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned about it. that's an area where, as i have said to tamera, there are other ways to make it even better. so, that's objective facts and real problems out there. the other side is polling, right? what's general opinion of the law which is a attached to general opinions about me or democrats and partisanship in the country generally. my view is that the longer we see the law benefiting millions of people the more we see accusations that the law is hurting millions of people being

completely debunked as some of you in the press have done and the more the average american who already has health insurance sees it's not affecting them in an adverse way, then it becomes less of a political football, which is where i want it to be this shouldn't be a political football, this should be something that we take for granted, that this in this country you should be able to get affordable health care regardless of how wealthy you are. now the larger issue, whether or not to move past the polarization and sort of the bitter political debates between democrats and republicans of which obamacare's just one small part, you know, that's going to take more time but it's not for lack of trying on my part and i

think that i speak for all democrats in saying we would much prefer a constructive conversation with the republicans about how do we get some stuff done and let's focus on areas that the american people really care about. on jobs, we know that infrastructure would put people back to work right now and improve our economy for the long term. didn't used to be a partisan issue. why aren't we coming up with a way to make sure that we're rear building our roads and bridges and improving our traffic control system? there's no reason that has to be political. there really isn't any i'd logical disagreement on that. i guarantee you after this winter, if you look at potholes that are the size of canyons all across big chunks of the united states people would like to see an infrastructure bill. let's get it done. >> how long before the health care ceases to become a

political football, you think? talking years? >> i think it's hard to say. it's interesting, i spoke at the lbj library the other day. you know, most us weren't around to pay real close attention to those edebates, they're distanc now in the past. apparently it took several years before people realized, medicare actually works and it's lifting a lot of seniors out of despair and poverty. peef been through this cycle before. it happens each and every time we make some strides in terms of strengthening our commitments to each other and we expand some of the social insurance programs a lost fearmongering and argument and debate and a lot of accusations flung back and forth about socialized medicine and the end of freedom and then it

turns out it's working for a lot of folks and we live in a friday market society and constitution's intact and emove on. i don't know how long it's going to take. but in the meantime, how about us focusing on things american people really care about? thank you, everybody. >> that was president obama visiting the white house briefing room delivering news about at fordable care act. not surprisingly, good news. >> we now know that the number of americans who have signed up for private insurance in the marketplaces has grown to 8 million people, 8 million people, 35% of people who enrolled through the federal marketplace are under the age of 35. obamacare, the national journal reports, is on a winning spreek. enrollment surged beyond

expectations. costs coming in lower than predicted and various reports say the number of uninsured americans are following. he and kathleen sebelius met with executives and they appear to be pleased with many seeing bluer skies ahead. after a rocky debut, the nation's largest insurer, united health group, says exchanges are doing just fine. the group told investors it will expand into more states into the next year, which president obama used to defend the law against the party that has spent the last four years trying to dismantle it. >> i find it strange that the republican position on this law is still stuck in the same place it's always been they still can't bring themselves to admit the affordable care act is working. they said nobody would sign up. they were wrong about it that. said it would be unaffordable for the country. they were wrong about that.

they were young to keep trying to repeal a law that is poworki when they have no alternative answer for millions of americans who have preexisting conditions. >> nia malika henderson and howard feinman. two big numbers, 8 and 35. 8 million enrollees, 35% of them under the age of 35. it's a good day at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> it is a good day. you know, months ago you didn't think the white house would get here. they've announce more recently 7.5 million had signed up, extended the deadline and it keeps going up and up and up. and the president, they are very much saying to democrats, stop being so defensive about this law. he has been robust out there talking about the law and wonder if democrats take their cues from this president, obviously talking to republicans there,

wondering why they are stuck on the same strategy. certainly appears they are stuck on that same strategy. it's almost like a coach, coaching a basketball team, and their strategy's to say the other team isn't going to win, right? the other team isn't going to win, the other team isn't going to score but it looks like, so far, this team, obamacare, is scoring, so you have to wonder where the republicans are going next in terms of mounting a campaign against obamacare. >> yeah, howard, you know, i was struck i think today, almost more than any of the recent days in the announcements that have been good news for the white house and the american public i would argue, that the sheer irresponse ability of the house republican caucus has come into clear focus. there really is no game anymore on that side of the aisle as far as it comes down to the affordable care ability. but as nia said, whether they change course, is anybody's guess. >> i think the president laid out in short form a kind of

political campaign road map for democrats that was one of the purposes of this press briefing today, i think, and i took note of the line where he said, you know, the republicans are staged 50 votes to repeal -- efforts to repeal at fordable care act. he said, those are 50 votes that could have been used for doing something about college expenses, doing something about the minimum wage and ticked off a long list. of course in parliamentary terms it doesn't really square. but it's a great line in campaign terms and i think it was his way of trying to crystallize what you were talking about, alex, the sort of do nothing, head in the sand retro, regressive republican party that doesn't want to do anything except talk about a plan that is working and hasn't proposed positive alternatives on the economy in general.

this the president saying, go ahead, make my day, trying to show democrats how to do it. >> nia, we also know, i mean it's not just the white house that has a sort of sunnier outlook on this. ensurers do, too. this is the press conference after meeting with insurance executives. ten states are expected to see more companies on this exchanges next year and some of those are states like california, connecticut, washington but some are less friendly states to a democratic president, including south dakota, idaho, iowa, and michigan, or at least swing states in the case of the latter. if republicans are looking down at the sort of electoral map and the sort of demographic reality here that by 2016 34 million people will be signed up for this law it seems like the numbers are not in favor of their current strategy. but the latest, the latest talking point seem to be obamacare trutherism.

a quote from fred upton who said, this law has disrupted health care for millions, sent premiums skyrocketing, limiting access to doctors. the republicans are upset the administration has not answered basic questions about enrollment. >> right. this idea of what the -- are there enough young people, the president answered that saying there's the right mix for what the cbo wanted what health insurance, what exchanges wanted to make the premiums stay at a decent level. so i think in some ways the republicans are, i think we will see at some point them try to try it out a new strategy. we saw that from bobby jindal, like a four-page plan of what he would do with health insurance. but also, i think you will see some democrats try to figure out how do they incorporate messages about obamacare into their strategies as well. you see that from mary landrieu, in louisiana, for instance, and

talking about the need there to expand medicaid. i think you will start to see some of that from democrats. but my goodness, it does feel like obamacare's on a glide path in terms of the good news and narratives getting out of this working and it shows people want to have health insurance and that's a powerful argument now that the noise has faded a little about the sort of general chaos that came with the rollout, the initial rollout the president and democrats have space to make points, the one about 50 votes wasted. either thing the president was instructing democrats on is, don't forget you should say that there are benefits for everybody in this law, in terms of reform of health insurance generally, business about preexisting conditions, about keeping kids on your coverage until 26. things that if you were to get rid of the affordable care act, you'd be stripping away benefits

that all americans now have. that's a powerful argue ment, and one the president was urging democrats to use in the elections. >> i think it is always worth reminding everybody that, of course, there is going to be a political strategy and a political angle here. but at the end of the day, this is a substantive victory for people who care about americans getting access to doctors and health care. in that way, it's not just numbers, it's not just theoretical sort of crunching of demographics, it's people going to the doctor and getting help. in that way, i think, as nia said the glide path seems to be something we're on. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> after the break, the latest numbers show democrats outfund-raising republicans heading into november, the gop has a brand-new problem. "the new york times" and director jeff macintosh talk

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you have to hand it to the gop that actually takes some creativity to be this offensive. today, republican political consultants in texas were forced to shut down a weeks' old political action committee called the boats and hoes pac, if you don't remember the origin of this pair, is it from the 2008 bromance "stepbrothers." ♪ boats and hoes boats and hoes ♪ ♪ i got to have >> pac registered to an employee of blakemore and associates. the man in charge of the firm, alan blake more, senior

strategist for candidate dan patrick. the same firm lists the gop nominee for texas governor, great britain abbott as a client from 1991 to 2004. blakemore and associates very proud of its connection to greg abbott. that was their web page. this the home page. but greg ab-bob's campaign is not proud of its connection to the men and womenassociates. mincing no words about the pac founded by the employee. the terminology used is reprehensible and greg abbott dough announces any person or entest that uses offensive los angeles. when you're greg abbott, offending people is par for the course. the same abbott who compared planned parenthood to a terrorist organization. seen campaigning with ted nugent, also ted nugent called president obama a communist nurtured subhuman month gral.

perhaps, perhaps, these are not the most strategic moves for the crop of 2014 republican conditions. in other possibly related news heading into the midterms fund-raising figured released show the democratic outside groups have a 3-1 fund-raising advantage over conservative groups. no word on whether any incorporate maritime vehicles or prostitutes. joining me now, political report at "new york times" and jess macintosh. greg abbott has his share of questionable spokes people. as of now, there does not seem to be any direct line from greg abbo abbott's campaign to the person that named the superpac boats and hoes, to name a super pac, supporting conservative candidates boats and hoes. >> sure does. greg abbott would be able to

stop apologizing for misogynistic comments made by his friends if he stopped having so many misogynist friends. seems like every time he makes the does n-- greg abbott was no a household name. even in texas, voters are getting to know him, and the way that they're getting to know him is as the guy who doesn't pay women in his office as much as men, the guy who hung out with ted nugent and campaigned with him, believes women's brains are smaller, and now the guy who has the firm with the boats and hoes pac work with the last eight of his campaigns. greg abbott created a culture of completely acceptable misogyny around him and he's going to have to answer to that to every texas woman and the men who like them. >> and i want to follow on that for a second, because there's

something about the texas race, and there's something about wendy davis, that seems to stoke the ire of conservatives in a way that few other women on the national stage do. this is someone that eric erickson repeatedly, and you know, up until this day, called abortion barbie. and i think it's the confluence of both wendy davis, you know, who she is, she's a beautiful whopping articulate woman, accomplished women with an incredible life story and unapologetic in her stance on unreproductive freedom. i suppose the men running against her -- >> i think it's all of the things that you mentioned and also that she's just threatening to them. i mean, they should be afraid of her campaign. it's gaining a continue of momentum. she's raising a continue of money. running a very good race right now. and they should be afraid. i mean, she's got a message that appeals to texans. she's out there talking about

education and greg abbott is talking about boats and hoes. they should be afraid of her. the way they've chosen to go after her is just completely baffling. i don't understand where who they -- who they want to win over with sexist attacks like abortion barbie. seeing republican dozen that against strong democratic women candidates across the country, frankly, and considering how important the women's vote is, especially midterms, it seems like an odd tactic. >> nick, talk about the fund-raising question here. we ended that lead strip talking about the fact that democrats have a 3-1 edge in terms of outside groups raising money, 3-1 edge over republicans but that's sort of half of the story, right? that doesn't really, in this day and age, just the sort of designated outside groups doesn't speak to a of money or sources in this 2014 midterms. >> that's correct. what we're seeing is a real bumper crop from democratic

super pacs, seeing they have mastered the fund-raising game, democratic donors have cast aside their objections to the super pacs in the name of pr magmatism. we're not seeing political nonprofits, 501c4, the horrible term, terrible for tv, but it's what they're called. a vast amount of money flowing through the 501 c4 groups into campaign and most of that money, not all, but most is benefiting republican candidates and here's the problem. we don't know how much they've raised because they aren't required to disclose it. >> but, nick, let me ask you, you covered this subject a lot. what works in terms of ginning up, in terms of dollar flow? it seems like the more heated a race get it gets more people interested. speaking about conservatives in particular, ted cruz made a lot of money, rand paul made a lot

of money when he decided to sue the administration over nsa. ted cruz made a lot of money when he decided to lead a government charge to shut down the government. these sort of policy positions if you will, seem to be convenient cash cows. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> go ahead. >> pick any hot button issue or figure, obamacare, hillary clinton, you will find some group that has no connection to the president or clinton or anyone else who is raising money and all of the money is going to consultants' pockets. you can find legit groups. i'm sure stephanie's group will raise more money off of boats and hoes -- >> jess' group. >> stephanie's our president. >> and they should. >> jess, we do -- you know, the jury's out on whether talking about boats and hoes gets us a

better place in terms of gender roles and establishing an equitable society. but for a party that has spent last two weeks pushing back against the paycheck fairness act, legislatures spent time drafting laws relating to women's health that judges in their own states have struck down, this strategy to open the tent by shutting its flaps, done seem to be working with women. as proof -- >> the boats and hoes wouldn't matter if it weren't tied to an agenda. if it weren't tied to legislation, this would be a strange blip on the radar. but it's tied to real legislation hurting real women and that's why it matters. >> nick and jess, a conversation that we will continue. thank for your time. coming up, new ruling in north dakota is latest example of a federal judge using the bench to strike down controversial and questionable state laws that ban everything from abortion to same-sex marriage. we'll talk about the mighty

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yesterday a federal judge struck down the nation's toughest abortion ban, in north dakota law that banned abortions after six weeks, something that the judge found invalid and unsconcer constitutional.

the district judge a george w. bush appointee said, quote, no state may deprive a woman of her choice to terminate her pregnancy eight point prior to viability. that was one where courts have been correcting legislative wrongs. last month a judge struck down a 12-week abortion ban in arkansas on similar legal grounds. one by one, judges have been overturning same-sex marriage bans. in michigan, oklahoma, texas, utah, and virginia. and earlier this week, in ohio, a federal judge ordered the state to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states. but by the looks of it judges will not have the last say. five of the states, rules on same-sex marriage bans are facing appeals. joining me, co-host of "the cycle" and presumed guilty, the beautiful ari melber.

>> thank you. >> we talked about how men are never called beautiful and i just did it. you're our resident legal eagle what happen struck me about the decisions how much the future of the country in terms of policy rests on the bench. >> absolutely right. an abortion, a fault line in politics for decades is running into a problem as you're alluding to in the conservative mind-set, well, we should be atto go at this, take it to the courts, and win. you have a whole group of people who think they're going to win cases, as you're reporting they're not. >> but i wonder, i mean, a couple of things. one is, conservatives always talk about judicial activist judges, judicial activism. what the judges are trying to do is read the law more closely, and not at all be activists and yet whether that, you know, quells the cry of activist judges remains to be seen. the second issue i take up is, is this not a good strategy for

conservatives to try to erode a law by making sort of piecemeal legislation that brings the real law, roe v. wade, back into the halls of the supreme court. >> first point, you're putting your finger on attention mere in republican politics at a time where there's a lot of talk about the constitution. the tea party, they see themselves as constitutionalists. the constitution is not just a document with a set of ideas. the constitution also is implicitly an agreement that we will abide by the rule of law. >> right. >> so they have a problem here, not when they say, well, we love this document, let's study it, make it part of our politics, great, and there's a long tradition of. but when they go, a republican judge or our conservative judges saying this has been decided, there's not an open question about this early term pregnancy, what roe means, roe protects a woman's right to choose. if you have an ethical problem with that, the answer is not dot activive that menaces people in front of a clinic or suggest in

any number of creative ways it's not the law and that's for them, the bush appointee, probably is pro-life, but many of the judges are and come out of the federalist society but it doesn't mean they can subvert what roe says if they're decent judges. that draws on an older threat of conservative thought, nullification, calhoun, from south carolina, put forward a theory that states should be able to override what the feds do. it's an interesting theory. it is not what our constitution says. >> you know, after the mccutchen season that the supreme court handed down there was a piece i thought was important, the left in many ways seeded the constitution and originalism to the right. all they have to do, which is conservative justices, put in the context of the framers and liberal justices have said, well, i mean, they've seceeded e

laws, mccutchen, the framers of the constitution would have agreed with a more liberal interpretation. >> i think that's right. that fight has not been joined. the history is interesting, the federalist, a powerful group of conservative jurists and legal scholars and lawyers, practicing lawyers, that grew out of the feeling they had decades ago law schools were de facto liberal. a lot of them feel culturally liberal. when it goes to the fight and goes to integrating it into traditional politics, they are much more engaged in this game. and so, what na means is that the rhetorical level you hear about second amendment, as an affirmative stance, spend decades to get original arms, but liberals are defensive. the high of the number of amendments to our constitution are to advance and preserve democracy, majority rule, not corporate speech. not money and spending. and yet we liberals don't talk enough, i don't think about that aspect in our constitutional

history. >> one last point, given the fact that congress is deadlocked, effectively, and there republicans who will play ball on a number of policies they supported there is nothing that going to happen in terms of landmark legislation in the next year. so much happening on the ben. judicial appointments become a big deal. this president has been slower to appoint justices to districts, circuit court level positions, he hasn't had any supreme court appointments late by but appointed and confirmed 237 judges in this term as president whereas at this time bill clinton appointed 373, george bush appointed 325. i wonder if you think in the last two year of the obama presidency we'll see a nrenew interest in filling vacant seats, not core packing, but really make appointments a priority. >> i think it only happens if there's push from outside. as we look at decisions like

citizens unated or corporate speech or general mills trying to say if you like them on facebook, you can never go to court if you have an issue with a food product makes you sick or has your child die that's a legal issue but you have to have a super structure to make sure we're pursuing that's a legal issue. i think if there's pressure on the president to do that, it can happen. argument in the old days there was so much obstruction they didn't make it a priority. but they've lagged behind. the supreme court famously has two liberals, moderates and a conservative block. there aren't four liberals on the supreme court. there's a lot more that we can do here. ari melber "the cycle" and lawrence. >> 10:00 p.m. >> thank you. after the break, today marks one year since a deadly fertilizer plant explosion killed 15 people, injured more than 200 and destroyed more than 100 homes in west texas.

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one year ago today in the town of west texas, an explosion at a fertilizer plant left 15 people dead, 200 injured, and completely obliterated parts of the town, destroying some 150 buildings. created a 2.1 magnitude earthquake. today, city and county leaders from west will come together to remember that day and pay tribute to the firefighters and first responders who lost their lives that day. but even a year later, authorities still have not determined the cause of the fire. and according to the texas tribune, no new regulations have been passed to prevent something like this happening again. in fact, the town of west is actually considering building a new fertilizer plant. coming up, president oesh spoke with house majority leader eric cantor about immigration yesterday and eric cantor is not happy about that conversation. i'll speak with john stanton.

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one year after a landmark by partisan bill passed the senate the quest for conservative comprehensive -- for comprehensive, not conservative, immigration reform, has devolved into a tense game of telephone. a phone call yesterday from president obama to eric cantor provoked this snarling statement, quote, the president call immediate hours after he issued a partisan statement, which attacked me and my fell le house republicans in which indicated no sincere desire to work together. after five years, president obama has still not learned how to effectively work with congress to get things done. you do not attack the very people you hope to engage in a serious dialogue. harsh words and apparently totally crossed lines. >> i had a pleasant conversation

with the -- mr. cantor yesterday. >> really? >> i did. you know, you know, you know, you're always kind of surprised by the mismatch between press releases and the conversation. i wished him happy passover. and what i said to him privately is something that i would share with him -- that i've said publicly, which is there is bipartisan support for comprehensive immigration reform. >> joining me now, washington bureau chief, for buzzfeed, john stanton. john, what is the deal on this conversation? did one of them pick up the wrong extension. >> no, i mean, i think you know, this is a classic example of the white house trying to get a little bit of news and cantor's people understanding that and trying to get in front of it quicker than they are with the standard line that's become the republican talking point which

that is we can't trust the president. so therefore we cannot move forward on immigration reform, which is trying to put the blame on him when in reality a lot of this is being driven by their internal politics. >> greg sergeant analyzes this is cantor's attempt to deflect from the fact he's proposed legalizing the dreamers and that's not been met with cheers in his party so he has to take a hard tact against the white house. >> you know, leadership thought this winter they were going to be bring together the conservatives and moderates and maybe conservative democrats and find an alternative to the senate bill. unfortunately what they found their base and a lot of their members, who may support something, are not in a position at this point to do that. so they need to find a way to deflect the attention not only just from eric cantor but from sort of the party at large. so they are going towards this idea you can't trust president obama because of things like nsa and other issues that have popped up. he's delayed the individual

mandate. >> right, individual mandate, right. >> john, one of the -- the white house has been talking about immigration reform, but has been playing defense, to some degree, over the last couple of weeks because of the deportation issue. the administration's overseen an historic number of deportations, "new york times" reported a couple weeks ago two-thirds of the deportations are people with minor or no criminal offenses which is not the line we've understood from the white house. "new york times" reporting today that court deportations are down 43 in the past five years, which i guess is a good thing, but you just did fantastic reporting from the border and met with and saw what happens to the people who are deported. and i want you to take time and tell us what that was like. >> you know, when you go down to places like sonoro or tijuana or some of the major hubs for deportation in mexico, what you find is these people are being essentially shipped into a foreign country, in a lot of

cases. people that have lived here their entire lives, many of them don't speak english -- don't speak spanish, and even if they do speak spanish they may not know where they're from, they don't have mexican papers. it's harder to get a job in mexico, if you don't have papers than it is in the united states. and they end up living in places that are subhuman conditions and tijuana, a place called el bordo a sewage ditch where thousands of poem are living in squaller. you know, there's a human cost to the deportation that i think most of us don't realize. certainly when i went down there, my initial thought you get deported you get sent home to where you're from the village or the state, and that's not the case in a lot of the instances. it's difficult thing because if we're going to have deportation we need to find a way to address this so there's not this humanitarian crisis going on on

the border right there. >> i don't think we can underscore the horrors people get deported. people are getting killed, people kill you for your shoes you quote one deportee, people feel scared when they sleep. cults wantering the streets after dark, kill people all the time, if they're children they take them to sacrifice. this happens in broad daylight, when aid workers tell you about this they shrug. >> it's difficult for them. the aid workers they have little that they can do to help them once these deportees are targeted because it's cartels and the gangs that work for cartels and they will snatch people off the street in d daylig daylight. when they show up during the day, people are waiting for them and try to grab them. you have any gang insignia, tattoos, even if you're not longer in a gang, they force you back into the gang. so it's a very, very difficult situation. it is a very well-reported,

arresting story that everybody should read on buzzfeed. thank you for your time. that is all for now. see you back here tomorrow 4:00 p.m. "the ed show" is next. live from detroit, minnesota, i'm ready to go. let's get to work. >> the appearance is awful of a commentator who is way too cozy with the union. >> is that a conflict of interest or anything? there couldn't do that on a fox news channel. you could not take that money in any capacity, whether a commentator or janitor. >> fox is more fair than other networks. >> 22 million for promotional and fund-raising from some of the top talkers on right. >> is that a conflict of interest or anything? >> can you come out here? >> sure. >> let's just -