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good morning. happy easter. i'm melissa harris-perry. ged ready nerds, there are 198 days until election day 2014. i hope you're planning to vote. most american who is are eligible to vote are not going to cast a ballot because this is a midterm election year with 507 congressional and senate and gubernatorial elections but not the big juicy commander in chief race. older people, white people come out to the polls in big numbers. juicy race or not. but young voters and minority voters will come out not in big numbers that they did in the presidential years, but much less so because it's midterm. let's take a look at the youngest voters. more than 50% of voters 18 to 29 went to the polls in 2008. two-thirds voted for president obama. in 2010, only 24% of voters 18

to 29 turned out. less than half the numbers of '08. they were right back up to 45% in 2012. but take a look at the older voters. 70% in 2008. in between the number dropped, but only to 61%. and they vote republican. 56 to 44. now let's take a look at white voters. they tend to vote republican. 59% of white voters chose romney in 2012. and their turnout rate dropped to 49% in 2010. but it did not drop as far as the turnout of voters of color. african-american voters came out at a rate of 44% in 2010. in 2012, 66% of african-american voters came out to cast that vote. latinos voted at a rate of 31%

in the 2010 midterms. and african-americans voted 93% for president obama in 2012. latinos voted 71% for the president. all the numbers, any way you slice it, midterms are looking good for republicans because, well, their people show up to the polls and democratic voters not so much. but don't take our word for it. >> and the other side knows that. and they're models are constructed based on the idea that americans will sit out this election. because they look at the past and in the past it's true. a lot of democrats don't vote during midterms. we just don't. young people. african-americans, latinos. we just often times don't vote during midterms. >> the midterms are not really just about ideology or political policy. they are here about turnout. the politicians are not trying to change your mind.

they're trying to bet your bodies to the polls. but it's hard. maybe the midterms don't seem as important or exciting as the election. it's hard to think of electing one representative as something to change the country. especially when you see how downright depressing congress can be. but think try thinking about it this way. it's like flipping a house. you replace the counter tops. you add crown molding. you refinish the floors. it all adds up to something entirely different than where you started. there are different strategies to house flipping. you can have some people, let's call them republicans who will go into a fallen house and slap on granite counter tops and declare the work the best thing ever. they can say we blocked everything we could. we shut down the government. we're still planning to repeal obamacare ian though that would be taking health insurance from millions of people. we talk a good game. and then you have the people who will do the more substantial structural changes.

they'll redo the wiring or reinforce the foundation. p but they won't do anything to actively aaggressively court buyers or advertise their work. try if they might, they can't make the house look good. you know, democrats. you know t same party that passed and defended and implemented the most sweeping social policy in decades who can say that millions of people now have affordable health insurance that they didn't have before, and they're not owning. no confidence. no swagger. no, yeah, you can't keep your crappy plans. you dole with that. now the president certainly has some of that swagger. here he is on thursday after announcing more than 8 million people have signed up for insurance on the obamacare exchanges. >> this thing is working. i don't think we should apologize for it. i don't think we should be defensive about it. i think there's a strong, good, right story to tell. >> but the president is not running. so can his swagger challenged fellow democrats splip the

house. joining us now is a professor of history and public affairs at princeton university. and democratic strategist terry. and the nerd land guest, #nerdland twitter followers love to yell at. former assistant to president george w. bush. and karen finney. so nice to have you all here. >> pleasure. so this is maybe a little bit unfair, karen. but we were kind of, you can tell i've been looking for houses. so i've been thinking about counter tops and wiring a lot, and crown molding. so here you really do have a massive piece of legislation. i mean both the size, but also the reach, the impact into the american public. and yet, you don't seem to have democrats taking hold and saying this is what we're running on. >> i'm going to push back a little bit. i think the fact that the

president did that this week. >> i mean, he needed to show swagger and leadership and confidence in the affordable care act. then democrats will follow. there have been a few times when it gets out there and then pulls back. . the other thing that was positive is you saw in a number of places when republicans went home and had to face their constituents and said you don't deserve heck and i'm going to take it away from you or you don't deserve an increase in the minimum wage. that's a different conversation. democrats have to stand offense on that conversation. the republican message is we're going to take away your health care. we don't think you deserve an increase in your wages. if can can stand offense on that and not get sidelined by other stuff, i actually think democrats have ha much better shot. >> this is a very poirnt. i want to come to you on the question of fatigue. bo who is sort of tired of

talking about obamacare. ch now that it's been implemented, 8 million people have signed up for it. we're taking something away. is and when we look at polls, it's clear that democrats overall in the public opinion are saying we have a little bit of fatigue. we don't want to talk about the obamacare question anymore, where as republicans still, a majority of them saying no, we would still like to have the conversation. >> i don't think democrats want to talk about it because it's still a wildly unpopular law. 50% of the american people surveyed a said they did not favor obamacare. 37% were in approval of it. if you look at the promises made, what were the promises, if you like your welcome, keep your health care. if you like your doctor, keep your doctor. ch if you want health care costs covered, they're going to go down. all three of these things have not come true. >> hang on! >> i never cut you off. >> no, no. i think you're absolutely right

that the law remains unpopular in public opinion polls. that is completely clear. . and part of the evidence of, i think, the sort of clarity of the republican message over time. i do think we can't be certain whether or not that disapproval in public opinion polls is related to any sort of actual outcomes yet. we just don't really know that. we do know the messaging. >> of course it's an outcome. the outcome is a lot of people have had their premiums go up. a lot of people have had their doctors taken away from them. a lot of people have had their coverage removed. my premiums has gone up. my network has changed as a result of the law. it didn't make my life easier. it didn't make may costs go down. that's the truth for millions of people. >> that's not the truth for millions of people. you cite one example and say this is reflective of everyone else. a lot of people, yes, have seen nar premiums go up. but guess what, there are more people who have seen their premiums go down, on balance.

overall the law has been working and the law has been positive. now here's the issue for democrats. it's not just about messaging. it's message penetration. and republicans do an amazing job at message penetration. and thls why to your point, democrats absolutely, we need to sty on offense because ron and his team are going to be continue to say these things again the law, and they're going to say the exact same things over and over again, and that penetrates k which is why democrats have to have message penetration on the facts. >> all right. so what i've heard from all three of you is the the belief that the message matters. that the campaign matters. but i want to suggest the possibility that it doesn't. that all that really matters is turnout. whether aca pass or anything else. so julia, i just want to ask, when we look at for example the youth gap and we say young people predominantly supported the president. it actually turned out a race gap. it's actually young people of color who supported president obama, whereas young people who

were white were more likely to vote for mitt romney. we can see the age gap is also sort of a race gap. and then we look at the folks who actually signed up for obamacare. they tend to be young people, people of color. so the visions are expected to provide as many as 41 million uninsured individuals. almost half are members of rich minority groups. but "new york times" today reporting that those are precisely the groups, right, who will not likely turn out, simply because they just don't turn out in midterms. again, saying they're confronting this vexing real think that young people and minorities are the least likely to turn out. does it actually matter that these people just got the affordable care akts, and also least likely to show up. >> might not. this might be a government benefits that takes time to seep in. the there's a connection between the coalition that obama won on in twaikt and 2012, which is a fragile coalition. it's a coalition of people who

are not going to be big midterm participant ls and the beneficiaries of the program who are feeling it the most immediately. including medicaid are not the biggest voters in the midterm. and so it's an odd thing where you have a huge social program. part of it is controversy. but part of it is the nature and the beneficiary group. which isn't the strongest midterm electoral constituency. >> stick with me. i promise, we have a lot, lot more. up next, we're going to look specifically at a republican candidate trying to flip the script. what happened if a different kind of republican gets elected? we'll also stay on more of the aca question. but before we go to break, i want to update you on the south korea ferry disaster. the death toll has risen to at least 52. it's expected to escalate quickly from this point forward. more than 250 people are still missing. most of them, high school students who had been on a holiday trip, but five days after the ferry sunk the hope of finding more survivors is

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as we talk about republicans running against the affordable care act, i want to look at one in particular. he's challenging a democrat incumbent for the sixth district seat for massachusetts. now a republican running against obamacare isn't particularly anything special, but to say he's running in the state whose own health care law inspired obamacare. he's also pro-choice, pr pro-marriage equality and openly gay. to say narrowly lost to the tp incumbent in 2012 in a close vote of a 46% to 45%, and the

rematch is shaping up to be just as close. an emerson college poll found the two deadlocked at just under 44% of the vote. so the matchup is fascinating to me. in part because here's somebody in many way who is is a democrat, right? he's a massachusetts pro-marriage equality, pro-choice, but, his key issue is obamacare in the state that created it in certain ways. >> look, in the state that created it, they have a much longer bit of knowledge and experience. this is the other thing i wanted to say about the affordable care act. it's not just the issue per se, but more the people have the experience of having health care. the deeper the experience comes, the more time you've experienced the positive benefits, the more wedded to it you're going to become. that's the challenge there. particularly in massachusetts, yeah, it's been working for people for a while.

>> and yet, he's extremely close running against it. >> you've heard for a long time, boy, if republicans could have socially conservative candidates and he is doing well. he's testing in a blue state. i think he's winning independentses, not for all his positions but for the excitement of a republican who doesn't look like the standards national republican. >> are republicans better about making sure there's no uncontested seat. it's consistently felt, the very idea of running again in massachusetts after having lost two years alaska, it feels like tlrs i don't think if this is a safe seat. i'm nonetheless going to run. zb >> i think that's exactly right. and republicans want to be competitive the all the seats available to us. i look at this guy and say great. if we can find diversity, fine. he says i want the government out of my wallet. i want them off my back.

i want them to be rid of the regulation that are crippling businesses. that's a strong message for a republican to run on. and the fact that he is pro-choice, gay, and a little more liberal on social issues, god bless him. >> so this is fascinating. there is within the democratic party an experience of having different perspectives on social policy i live in louisiana. i'm house hunting in north carolina. we are the home of blue dog mary landrieu who is in trouble. so mary landrieu is a democrat different than other democrats. but it's not creating a good situation. it's creating a really tough one for this incumbent. all politics is local. this candidate is very popular locally. he's been in the state senate for a long time. so the democrats have to have a national message and be consistent and aggressive in

delivering the necessary san eaj going it over and over again. you ask republicans what they had for breakfast and they say benghazi. i think we need to say minimum wage, minimum wage. f we'll raise the minimum wage. we have to have that level of discipline every time we speak. >> that's not a small point. kaiser family poll like the gallup poll you cited is showing that obamacare is -- remains unpopular. nearly half of folks saying it's not -- they don't have a favorable opinion of it. but you ask them about minimum wage, and suddenly you have not only support of democrats. you have you also have support of republicans. and this is a gallup poll showing a support, even 58% of republicans and 78% of folks overall. do you run on a national message if all politics are local? >> the minimum wage is powerful. it's an immediate benefit.

health care is always going to be a difficult program. the it's jerry built. it's through exchanged. and it has benefits, but it's hard to sell. minimum wage, your salary goes up. a lot of small business opposes that. ch a lot of voters are registering. democrats need to hammer away in the same way the republicans are aggressive or they're going to be the party of not republicans. >> and minimum wage is localoca. if you with go state by state, when it's a ballot initiative, democrats win in those states. >> you think it turns people ho out? >> absolutely. >> you think folks who would not normally come up show up? >> this is part of the thing. sho there is the minimum wage on a number of ballot issues. it may turn people out. the biggest problems democrats have in the midterm elections is they don't spend the money and resources all year round to turn people out. we don't have the same dog whistle. benghazi, right. we don't.

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>> and the republicans say this. one top republican said a lot of minorities and a lot of people said they will not turn out in a nonpresidential year. it's a great year for republicans. that's a quote. it's a great year for republicans. a whole bunch of people aren't voting. >> that was president obama back on february 28th talking about nevada state assembly person pat hickey who told a radio station probably where we had a million voters turn out in 2012, we'll have 700,000. a lot of minorities will not vote. it's a great year for republicans. i mean, i'm going to let you pick up where you were, that notion that decrease in turnout is good for a political party, i mean, should we be troubled by the idea that one political party does better when fewer people show up? >> no, we shouldn't. all americans should have the ability to vote. and all americans should go out

and exercise the right to vote. the fact of the matter is yirnts and younger votes don't come out in off presidential years. we should find ways to galvanize their vote. i as a republican want many of people of color to come out and vote and same for democrats. we think we can win on the issues. i want more people to do that. >> so i'm not saying it creates the pollties, but one can through policy or there's a set of thing. it creates an insentticentive t people turn out. >> the democrats have not had as good ground game in getting people to vote. >> the democrats need a better ground game and doing a better job of reaching out to women and young people on the issues that they care about. i disagree about nationalizing the election. when you're running for congress, it's about your district. it's about what issue is going to resonate, and how do you talk

about that issue? but the flip side is while we're trying to get people out, the republicans are trying to still depress the vote with voter suppression tactics. >> that's absolutely false. >> oh, really? >> yeah, really? >> yeah, i do. i think the notion that having a voter i.d. specifically targeted at people of color. the notion that people are too stupid because they are an ethnic minority to go out. >> it has nothing to do with people are stupid. have you read the supreme court case? >> yes, i have. >> oh, you have. >> i love watching y'all do that because it's good tv. but that said, i think there's a sort of set of questionsn't the

ways we can demonstrate without thinking anyone is stupid, right. it simply has to do with these populations, these demographics that we've shown and the ways in which we know that both employment and circumstances of poverty. circumstances of where polls are placed within urban areas, which is part of what we saw in ohio and what we know about the availability of extra resources. it doesn't require anybody to be stupid to have that effect. it also seems that sometimes democrats are not doing a good job at the national level of figuring out how to make the local campaigns operate best. not necessarily nationalizing the issue, but saying here's the gubernatorial race in texas. >> look, part of it is between world war ii and 1994, the democrats only lost two terms, and there was a reason. organized labor was the heart of

the coalition. organized labor was mobilized. they made those connections. they brought the money. they brought the voters out. and democrats have lost that. that no longer a key part of the coalition. all the different constituencies we have don't have that organizational clout. that's a big part of the story of the problems we've been talking about with the democratic party. they were the party machines when they started to fall and then it was organized labor and often african-american church resources and that sorts of things. we were talking about the untapped asian-american vote that could be critical in virginia. in the senate race in virginia where it seemed to make a big difference in earlier statewide

races and have democrats figured out how to get them consistently to the polls. >> absolutely. i believe the asian-american community is a sleeping giant. but in many areas you do not. there's a district here in new jersey where my former intern is running in the fifth district or new jersey. they don't actually vote in the numbers that they need to be voting in to have a real impact. i think those democrats neat to focus. this is a community as a block. it salespeoples to many groups. and three out of four voted for president obama in 2012. and their participation was higher in 2012 than 2008. and the issues were aligned. so they're supportive of the affordable care act. the they need more information about it. and many support immigration

reform. that's something you don't hear enough about. so there's an alignment of these issues. and it's a question of getting to them, talking to them consistently. >> i want to talk about the swing districts. there's a few left. and senate races are not like house races. so when we come back, we're going to take a look at some of those issues. first, more babes in nerd land. i tweeted out and old pic of my big sis beth and me. some of you replied back with great throwback pics. we'll be right back. in pursuit of all things awesome, amazing, and that's epic, bro, we've forgotten just how good good is. good is setting a personal best before going for a world record. good is swinging to get on base before swinging for a home run. [ crowd cheering ] good is choosing not to overshoot the moon, but to land right on it and do some experiments.

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36 races for the senate. and 36 state governor races. we have to choose individual races to look at. take for example the 13th district in illinois. rodney davis is considered vulnerable since he only squeaked by in 2012. and this year the democrats have a stronger candidate. former state judge who was the first choice to run against davis in in 2012. she won the primary tw the support of dick dir bin, labor unions and other powerful members of the establishment. so what i love about this district is that it's a true swing district. it is razor sharp, which is something we don't see as a result of redistricting in 2010. would we be better served if we had more districts like this? >> sure. you want competition. you want movement. you want districts where both

kpearts compete, rather than just a primary. . where in either party you're pushing o the extreme. ch this is a good case where because of this we're able to introduce equal pay. a lot of economic issues. but this is healthy for more democracy. we don't want competition in the midterms and not just a wave of incumbents constantly winning. >> and the competitiveness is what drives people to the polls. it's also the belief that my one vote will make a difference. >> absolutely. and that's part of why people are so disconnected from the process. it's about going out there and selling your ideas. and this is part of the thing i'm proud of my party for finally realizing. you can't show up two weeks before the election and hand out fliers and think okay, that's

going to do it. with the obama campaign, he changed the face of the electorate. now the challenge is we have asian-americans that are a voting bloc. f la too knows are a voting bloc. what are we saying about immigration? we have african-americans and women that are powerful voting blocs. and part of what's happened when it was labor is the nature of the electorate has expanded and changed, at least for the democratic side. you have to be ready and willing to figure out how am agoing to talk to that group of people and talk about that they want to hear and know. yeah, twitter is going crazy. you have the top two vote gets in the district, and then they go onto the general election, and i think people actually recognize, my vote does make a difference. you have people knocking on their doors. republicans, independents soliciting the vote.

that's what they sorely need and is missing in the political system. just before the presidential election is both parties are going to look at very particular races as potentially telling them something about the future, right? democrats and republicans both care about what happens to the race. and it seems democrats are looking very carefully at the florida races. any predictions for you on virginia or any of the florida races? i know it's very early. >> well, the big one happened already. and democrats thought they would win that. and it was a big test. and they are scared about another election there. and the democrats don't no whoa they're going to run. it's unclear. . that's a case where democrats have to show they are on top of this. they can't let a seat like this go.

otherwise it's not a good sign. >> and that was that turnout issue. that was a very low turnout issue. and that's theless san that will be learned from the raced. we should be on the offensive on things that are false. but all politics are local. democrats need to focus and drill down locally in a way that we haven't done in recent time. you can't take any district for granted. i always say that. we were blind sided in 2010. there was an expectation. or that we wouldn't get hit ha it eems silly. but all the way forward to mid 90s, it was almost a truism that democrats ran the house. it's taken the party a decade to go, oh, oh yeah, no.

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to a new city is currently unincorporated. this map shows the proposed city of st. george. you see it in baton rouge. the new city would look vastly different than the capitol. st. george would be 70% whited compared with neighboring baton rouge. and st. george would have a median income $32,000 higher than baton rouge. this at a time when east baton rouge parish is becoming increasingly diversed. the black population in east baton rouge parish rose 6%. some of the changes due to an influx after hurricane kraet, which more than doubled the city's population in the days immediately after the storm. but that is not the reason that st. george supporters cite for

why they want a new city. for supporters it often boils down to schools. the fs proposed after two failed attempts to create an independent school district for the area. and the way the parish is currently being governed, particularly regarding the education system. becoming their own city would allow them to exit a school system they see as struggling and almost certainly result in more segregated schools. something that may seem familiar with the longest running school desegregation lawsuit in the country. white and wealthy residents exiting the school system a story as old as efforts to integrate neighborhoods. but there are communities resisting the segregation and have steadfastly worked to create and maintain richly diverse neighborhoods. we're going to talk about that

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oak park is a community outside of chicago, illinois, with about 52,000 residents. you may not have heard of it, but they believe they have a model to tackle a problem that's plagued our country for decades, residential segregation. for more than 40 years oak park has been working to maintain integrated neighborhoods. in the early 1970s oak park had less than a dozen black families. but housing was intentionally constricted, leaving black residents to look outside the city for homes. that began a pattern of white flight for many communities. some wanted to intentionally work against that, both by welcoming people of all races and also resists white flight from the existing neighborhoods. they founded the oak park regional housing center. to renters and realtors that

built and sustained racial integration. the organization continues the work today. inform their magazine, the oak parker, they explain sustaining diversity requires consistent effort. so long as there is an oak park there must be a housing center. m joining me is the director of the housing center. also at the table is james perry, executive director of the new orleans fair housing center. he's also here because he's my husband and i want to spend easter with my family. dorothy brown and author of some of my best friends are black. let me start with you with oak park. we have been talking for some time about wanting to talk about this on air. what are the models of success that you have developed in oak park for creating integrated communities. >> the way we've been able to create and sustain is that we've been able to work proactively with folks as they're serging for housing. when people are looking for a

place to live, we're hoping everyone of all racial backgrounds are thinking of oak park as a place to live. f and we try to help them think about ways to move in ways to sustain our integration. >> it's still a predominantly white community. much more than it was 40 years ago when the center was founded. is that what allows this to work? >> well, it's interesting. as oak park has become more diverse, the economic benefits have definitely been there. it's not unreachable, by any means. but it's certainly a better off community in the chicago region. but we think the racial integration and the benefits we're seeing economically and socially go hand in hand. it's why oak park has been able to succeed and strive. >> wfr we got to the story but

there's an attempt to create a separate community in louisiana. and the narrative is about schools. we talk about a language for generating racial integration. as you see that story and pair it with the oak park story if that resonates with you. >> where i grew up, it really backfired against them. by draining the birmingham metro area of all the tax dollars, the city schools cratered. they created an island where they thought we would have an all white candy land. then the city schools got so bad you have black flight. and now they are flooding in and they're two or three grades off level. there's all sorts of cultural adjustment problems. so it's a fantasy.

. and will work better in oak park. when you tackle integrate head on in a conscious manner. what they're doing in baton rouge will be to the disservice of both communities. >> part of what i love isn't the idea of intentionality. enyou can say we have it here. . and this was one of the most distressing parts of the new year for me. in january the hope fair housing center found evidence. compared to whirt testers, african-american testers with not treated nearly as well at white counterparts. they received considerably fewer cite units. had to place more calls to get return calls and in more instances their calls were never returned. they were offered less information on rental terms.

this is a study of oak park where it's meant to be working. and here this study found rampant discrimination. >> right. so the key here is to remember that oak park is not a utopia. we are still part of the united states. and there is still rishl things we have to deal with. on the orr hand the reason this was done is because our local municipality wanted this to this be done to figure out if there was discrimination, what could we do about it. also the reaction from tennessee community following the report once it was made public. people were agast. they felt it was not acceptable. this is not dmunt we want to have. the land lards in the community actually volunteered to be tested again. they volunteered to pay for the testing. they were very, very proactive

in their response. instead of what you find in most communities with saying that must have been somebody else or why are you always on my back? our reaction from our landlords was, you know what, this is horrible. we don't ever want to see this happen again. please keep testing us. >> so one bad story. one potentially good story. when we come back at the the top of the hour, i want to talk about the big story. how the small local stories are part of a big national story of whether or not we're doing a good or bad job addressing this fundamental issue of housing integration. but first, more babes in nerd land. our good friend craig melvin sent us a picture of his baby's first easter. here are more of our younger fasts in their spring finest. there's more nerd land at the top of the hour. in the nation, it's not always pretty.

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welcome back. i'm melissa harris-perry. i received a text during the break from my mom and my husband's mom. last week we commemorated the 50th anniversary of the civil rights act of 1964. ft the first of several landmarked laws on president johnson's agenda. and while the most comprehensive of all the legislation, it had weaknesses that required additional policies. the prohibition was rarely, if ever enforced and no provisions to protect against discrimination in the sale or rental of privately owned housing. so four years later president

johnson signed it will civil rights act of 1968. a follow-up law. johnson signed the bill in the wake of the assassination of dr. martin luther king jr., to ena ktd the law as a memorial to dr. king's life and work. it would also matly be the last of lbj's major victories for civil rights. it was one of his last legislative acts as president of the united states. by the end of that year, the 1968 presidential election meant the work of enforcing johnson's laws. putting its promises into practice would now fall to someone else. it turned out, sma someone else was was secretary of housing and urban development. nicole hanna jones writes that this person saw america's housing patterns as a, quote, high-income white noose.

they could have sbrerped it narrowly as a prohibition against discrimination. but he believe it gave them the authority to the promote racial integration in the nation's cities. hanna jones goes onto describe that man's belief that the authority to pressure white communities to build more affordable housing and end discriminatory zoning practices. maybe you're wondering who was this radical who believed the law gave him a mandate to force an end to racial segregation. it was none other than george romney achlts republican. the former governor of the state of michigan whose sun twigs ran for president. and nixon would later appoint romney as his hud secretary. he believed deeply desegregated housing was necessary not only for african-americans but par moint to preserve the integrity of the united states.

nicole hanna jones notes in talking points. romney wrote that equal opportunity for americans in all education and housing is essential if we're going to keep our nation from being torn aabout. he was desensitized since his time gave him a front-row seat on the worst riot in u.s. history, after detroit streets erupted to five days of violent conflict in 1967. contrary to many who saw the riots as a reason to keep the races apart, romney wanted to use housing policy to bring people together by eliminating segregation. ultimately his model of progressism clashed against practicalities and president nixon bowing to pressure of his supporters in the south and white northern suburbs shut down the hud program, kicked romney out of the administration, and four decades later, residential segregation in america has

transformed in other ways, it remains very much the same. in 2012 "the new york times" reported on a study in which two economic ps professors found the cities were more integrated than any time ins 2010. however, a 2011 brown university study in metro areas also found thn trend. the average white person in metropolitan america lives in a neighborhood 75% white. despite the shift, these groups have not gained access to neighborhoods. a typical african-american lives in a neighborhood only 35% white. not much different than 1940. as much as 45% black. it's clear although there has been some progress on housing desegregation, we're far cry from the deal that george romney envisioned. roy is kbektive director of oak park regional housing center in illinois. george perry, director of the greater new orleans fair action center and my husband. dorothy brown, professor at the school of law and tanner colby,

author of "some of my best friends are black." james s the national fair housing act a success or failure? >> it's a very interesting question. america itself is an experiment. and this experiment is quite imperfect. and i think we constantly work to perfect it, but clearly we're not there yet. the same is true when it comes to the effort to integrate the communities. dplon strait ee -- we still see there are clear problems. have we succeeded? no. have we made progress? the answer is clear yes. >> has there ever been a hud secretary as good as george romney? on this issue. f not on all issues. but on this issue, has anyone in our sort of contemporary era including the obama administration, been able to articulate at that level, we have the right empowered by this act to hold accountable local communities that don't do what oak park is doing. that aren't affirmatively following fair housing.

and the issue is no one has dared touch the shrew of segregation. this was the first hud secretary to say wait, this is an issue. some of hud's own policies play a key role in making the problem continue to exist. this hud secretary is taking on issues in his own backyard. he looked at segregation policies in new york and said this is a problem. we're going cocombat that. right now he's taking on issues in dubuque, iowa. right now there's certainly a lot more he can do. i'm a person who not only pushes him to do more. i've sued his administration to push him to do more. but at the same time, this is the most we've seen out of any hud secretary in decades. >> as we were pulling together this conversation, the one that we've been wanting to have for a

while, we up in nerd land were saying we have our bad story in louisiana. we have a good story in oak park. it's always a mixed story at the the federal government level, and then we read your report, and i'm telling you there was wails and sadness in nerd land. . we have to perfect this. what are the right policies to create integration? scene then we read the forbes article about your study in which you say evidence indicates it's the presence of blacks, not just neighborhood conditions often associated with black neighborhoods that account for white aversion to such neighborhoods. in one stud dpi whites reported they would be unlikely to purchase a home that met their requirements in terms of price, number of rooms and other characteristics if there was a substantial representation of african-americans. your report seems to say that in 2014, white people simply do not want to live around black people, even if everything else

is great. >> and that's true. >> that is painful. >> it's personal preference. there's the issue of who wants to live next to who. . the there are whites that want to live in racially diverse communities. not just oak park. the majority of whites do not. just like the majority of blacks want to live in a majority/minority or 50/50 community. and the problem is the market personalizes the presence of blacks in the neighborhoods. so for more than 10% of your neighbors are african-american, the price of your home will be less than in a neighborhood with less than 10% african-american. >> okay. we cannot miss this. in this country wealth is built primarily for work can go class and middle class people through homeowner ship. pane what you just said to me if me and my friends who look like me show up and move into a neighborhood, we will make everybody poorer and ourselves poorer. >> you can't have too many

frengds. you can't. that look like you. you can't have too many friends. the key is 10%. if it's more than 10%. if it's just you and your husband and you invite people over, but they got to leave. they can't buy next door, then you'll have a better financial investment. >> okay. now you in oak park say that's not true. it has plenty of brown and black folks living nearby. >> that's absolutely true. and how much the price ps would have gone up if african-americans didn't live there. i can tell you as oak park became more diverse, the housing stock became more valuable. the housing values went up. the value and sort of the desirability of the community has definitely gone up. and people seek out oak park for its diversity at this point. i will say ta though, that we have to do things like, and when we're talking to our clients, we

do have to have conversations with them to be more willing and many sbl more interested and be aware it's available to them. in part of oak park where they will be sbre grating oak park. and we do see that that sort of the way people think about that it definitely has it's being informed by race. >> the idea that if a neighborhood or a school has a lot of positive things about it but is predominantly majority/minority. cl a weird term. but predominantly people of color, that in itself is seen as a negative. because there's no inherent value. value is always what the market will bear. who see predominantly communities of colors of less value, then they are simply less value. >> the thing about the social strategy of the united states of america is no matter what rung

on the ladder you're on, the rung above you is whiter than the one you're at. white people are going to try to spend more time with other white people. because they're trying to move up a ladder. and the difference is the consciousness of this is that diverse community full of people who choose to be here. >> but that would suggest that there are a whole group of white home buyer who is want to go to communities the that are less white, in part because they get a better deal on their housing. and it actually tips the housing prices up. >> i would back up and note we have had hundreds and hundreds of years of not gist marketing but investment in white communities. and so logic dictates, you know, if government is investing here, if erg is saying that this is the way to go, then of course i'm going to invest in this if i

have money and stay away from minority neighborhoods. that's been the investment that americans have made for centuries. what we do know is we have an opportunity to change the way that the united states invests in housing. and it is a kind of thing that governor romney intended to do. it's what secretary donovan is attempting to do now. to make clear that diversity makes neighborhoods better. it makes a neighborhood more favor nl. that's a difficult tide to turn. but it's happening. and at this moment when you find diverse neighborhoods, they have better value across the spectrum. >> i want to live in a community of color and not feel like this is taking away our wealth building capacity. >> that's true. i want to get back to the oak park example. in terms of racial diversity, what would you say is the percentage of african-americans? >> about 20% african-americans. that's reflective of our region.

. >> but the key point is the blacker the neighborhood, the higher the percentage, the lower the value. >> so it's not an absolute. >> so 10% starts the slide. 20% increases the slide. it's when you get greater percentages. so the fak is fact that we can provide appreciation is low percentage. it's not 50/50. >> if you are not depressed about the ideas that your housing value will decrease, wait until i tell you the air quality will decrease. it turns out housing is not just housing. it's all kinds of things. we'll talk habit the details of the alarming new study when we come back. . cars are driven by people.

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boris. luther may have been off to something in his classic slow jam a house is not a home. because if you think beyond the understanding of your house is ju four walls and a roof, it's clear that ha house is much more than just a home. the place where you live can dictate everything about exactly how well you live. nicole hanna jones writes more than 20 years of research has implicated racial segregation. from higher unemployment rates for african-americans to poorer health care to elevated infant mortality rates. one of the items on the list, the disparity in health outcomes was the subject of a first of its kind study released by researchers at the university of minnesota. across the country on average people of color are living in neighborhoods with 38% more air pollution than in neighborhoods where white americans live. they're estimated that people of color will experience 7,000 fewer deaths if their

neighborhoods wouldn't have the same clearer air as the white counterparts. julian marshall, nice to see you. >> good morning. nice to this be here. >> so explain what a little bit what your findings are and how to reach your conclusion. >> sure. we look at air pollution ferries across the u.s. where the concentrations are higher or lower. and we found a large difference depending on what your ethnic group is. where the pollution is higher or lower, and the other is census information about where they live. wre overlay the two maps and that allows us to locate the differences by race and other

thing things. >> now julian, i presume you are not saying that air is racist. f. >> that's true. we're looking at where the concentrations are higher or lower and where people live. we're looking at one particular pollutant. this is a chemical that the molecule is not racist. people do not live in places as random. and so oovrj, there are a differences in exposure. >> i want to come to this the table for a moment. that seems such an important point. we see this in natural disasters, too. but the health disparity or the economic disparities are enormous all because of reshl segregation. it's not just do i get to live in the house i want around the people i want? >> i'm about to move based on that study. but sure, we know that consistently african-americans have been sentenced essentially

to die in neighborhoods that had a few education opportunities that had greater difficulties around numerous health issues. we can go down the list of all the things that are bad. over and over again, government said all the the bad things will go here and elsewhere. . that's what is different about this moment. to ensure that the investment is equal. and we're not always putting the bad thing in one type of neighborhood. that's the change we can make at this moment. >> obviously your study is diagnost diagnostic, not normative. do you have a sense of what would make differences in the pollution gap? >> sure. well, the main source of the pollution is burning fuels. so gasoline and diesel from cars and trucks. coal from electricity generation. . and especially to target emission reductions in the locations where the most people are exposed.

>> you see this point of cause as a way of reducing it for everyone rather than exposing new communities to it. dorothy, because we were all so depressed from your study, is there anything you found from it? is there something that feels like this might be a ray of hope on the question of making an investment as communities of colors in the purchasing of real estate. and the possibility of creating integrated communities? >> so my ray of hope was when you buy a home in a neighborhood more than 10% african-american, recognize the financial investment in that product isn't as great if you were in a neighborhood where you were one of very few. maybe i don't spend all any money in a home, but put some of nit a stock market or max out the retirement benefit at work.

so to me the racism in the housing market is not going to be solved any too many soon. i would like to have wealth some time soon, which would suggest that i be very intentional about where i buy my home and what else i do with the rest of my money. m and you expect your line to be flattered, it means you have an expectation of a flatter line for how it's going to improve. julian, i appreciate all of this. ch from julian marshall, we have language about how to make decisions about fossil fuels that have different racial impacts. from you we have an understanding about how to make choices financially. . from the advocates, an understanding of how we change the structures underneath. and you talk about the connection between school and housing. it's complicated, but heck, it's easter morning. thank you to rob, dorothy brown,

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and try to touch you in the front and run away. but it's okay. i never think it's a big thing because they do it to everyone. the equally alarming thing the report identifies is why young women do not report sexual violence like what was just described. those reasons include girls blooifing that men could not help it. they did not want to this make a big deal of their experience. the lack of reporting may be linked to trust and authority figures and girls don't support other girls when they report sexual violence. many girls are threatened or coerced into unwanted behavior. h they did not think anything outside of forced intercourse counted as an offense. joining ne from wisconsin is heather, an assistant professor of social and cultural sciences at marquette university. she's the author of the report "normalizing sexual violence." nice to have you. ft. >> hi, thank you for having me. >> so tell me what you see as the primary finding that we should be taking away from your

study. >> i think the primary finding of the study shows us young women are interpreting their experience in these scripts. it's quite a preflexion on our culture that they're internalizing these normalities about boys are going to be sexually aggressive and they have to take this as boys are going to be boys. >> let me ask you, you used the language of "rape culture." and that's been a bit of a discourse about whether or not such a thing exists. i don't want you to go too far beyond the data, but do you think it will be empirical evidence as the existence of a temporary rape culture? >> i hope so. i think it should be. i'm so grateful for being on the show today. it's such a reflection on our rape culture. and lots of research has been

showing this with adult women for quite some time. especially women on college campuses. but what we have here is we realize that really going to very, very young ages at what point this is taking root in the culture. children are telling us that they're interpreting these experiences in such a way and really getting it from their families, from our media. from the culture around. >> so one of the things i found most distressing was the idea that girls did not support other girls if someone came forward and talked about the experience of being victimized or touched inappropriately when they did not consent to it. and i wonder if part of that is fundamental attribute error. i feel safer if i can blame the victim, right? so if it's just that this thing may happen to someone blame less, then i might also be in danger, but if the victim did something, if she wore the wrong thing or if it seems to me behaved in a wrong way, then i

can feel safe. >> slefl. absolutely. an also what's happening here is the girls are in this culture. and they're taking up these scripts that shows them as internalizing them as the gait gatekeeper to sexual activity. if you're the gatekeeper and youfr did not say no, in this myth that we have to just say no and rape won't happen, then they get to blame each other. and blaming each other for not adequately moving around the sexual aggression of men. >> health herb, thank you so much for joining us. it's a stunning report. when we come back, we're going to talk about it with the table. y relocating manufacturing to upstate new york? i tell people it's for the climate. the conditions in new york state are great for business. new york is ranked #2 in the nation

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aauw about sexual harassment among middle and high school girls showing 48% of students experience some form of sexual harassmen harassments. 30% experience electronic harassment and 56% of girls were sexually harassed. that seems to give a little bit of credence to the study we were just discussing, normalizing violence. that new study will appear in gender & society. i want to talk with my table about the findings. author of "things i should have told my daughter." yeah, she's here at the table. also james perry whosy ang with me is raising two daughters and karen finney, host of msnbc's disrupt. is anybody else completely distraught by the study? >> absolutely. reading it, i felt like this cannot be 2014.

think about how many women we have in congress. we have so many more positive role models, and yet, this is what they're feeling. but think about the conversation we're having about equal pay for example. and the conservatives saying you don't need it. women don't need it. what does that make a girl or young women internalize about her worth or value? while it seems shocking, i do think we have to look at we as people who have a platform. and the broader culture, what signals are we sending young women about their value and their place in this society? >> absolutely. there's a politics to this, right? the kind of air that we breathe is in part an air that tells young women they are worthless. but for me part of it was hearing the girls feel like they are the gatekeepers to sexuality, as they don't have the power to consent when they want to and they don't have the power to stop it when they don't

want to consent. i wonder if that's not only about the politics, but the parenting. girls many may want to consent in some circumstances and not others. >> that's a big problem. we don't talk enough about sex or sexuality. don't do this. don't do that. only bad girls the do this. but we don't talk to them about the full range of questions that they're going to be conned with as soon as they hit puberty and the poplar culture is telling them things about your sexuality is power. you can have control over men and manipulate boys. nug of that is anything that anybody in middle school knows how to this deal with. we don't know how to talk to them about the danger or on the other side the pleasure if it is consensual. >> so on one hand i found it stunning and painful. also james, i have to say, i wonder why we're asking whether or not girls are normalizing violence, and not to invalidate

the study. but i also want to know if boys are normalizing violence in this way and sort of how we start to address the perpetrators on this. >> you know, i think that's a key issue. one of my favorite quotes that a friend of mine uses is every snowflake in an avalanche pleads not guilty. so the number of times i've been around guys l who said all these kinds of inappropriate things and when there was a point at which you sit there quietly. but there's ab point when you have to realize this is your responsibility to take an stand and to correct your friends. it may be the most difficult to stand up to and say that's not appropriate. that's our obligation as men. can so there's an obligation we have to right this wrong. >> if we connect the responsibilities and parenting of men, it seems the there's at least a at the moment some

conversation about whether or not a woman is going to run for president in 2016. obviously most of the speculation is around hillary clinton, but i also think there's a very strong possibility a republican woman may end up on the ticket. what are the responsibilities of male media? is this male politicians in how they have discussions about women, giving them all the same harsh treatment because women are in the ring, but at the same time, not dplon straiting the kinds of normalizing of sexualedable violence against women. >> exactly. and i think there's an intersection between the politics and the policy. and the culture. >> yep. ch. >> and i do think what we see happening is there is still different treat of women when women run for office. taurki i talking about post partum depression. you hear things you would never hear about men. hean wh

pane when you hear it coming from authority figures, that makes it worse. it reminds me of the young girls. if you link the two, they go to authority figures. and those authority figures say what did you do? what were you wearing? i don't think if she was naked and drunk. no one deserves to be raped. and the supreme court hearings in which our government performed that. we have the notion of authority figures asking what did you do, it felt like here was antita hill testifying about the set of experiments. it woke us all up in an important way that these practices we think are normal in the workplace, they are not normal. they are not okay. >> the other interesting thing is when you talk about the upcoming presidential election, is the person who plays the key

role in mobilizing this, he presides over the hearing, of course. but it also dmon states the way in which men's role is so imperfect and difficult. it's only a few years later he then authors the violence against women act. and so it is this dual dynamic on one hand confronting the challenges that men have. >> i was going to say but i think part of it, we talk sop much about girls and teaching girls. and you mentioned boys. what are we teaching boys and young men about normal behavior? about what is appropriate behavior. because the question does get flipped to the girl. what did you do. we need to say, well, what did the boy do? and that has to this be part of the conversation. we don't do that in any sphere. not in entertainment, not in media. that's whoo i'm afraid of. hymnry runs, we're going to see more of that. . raner than in the sort of excuse of, well, we're just trying to

treat her -- >> right, right. >> and we need to think about not just the message than sends to girls, but what our young men and boys think about sexuality and how to treat women. >> right. as we think about our brother's keeper we should also remember while we're keeping and save hg these boys, let's teach them something about their relationships. james, tara and karen, thank you all for being here. remember to watch karen later today. she's not done. she's working hard today. she's going to be disrupting with karen at 4:00 p.m. eastern. now pearl is going to stick around, which makes me very happy. we're going to come back and discuss with her this exthe record fair complete lif different thing you've read before book. that's up next. cut! [bell rings] this...is jane. her long day on set starts with shoulder pain... ...and a choice take 6 tylenol in a day which is 2 aleve for... ...all day relief. hmm. [bell ring]

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direction of the country, well, then the 1970s and '80s demonstrated just how powerfully the nation could resist change. and jackson gate. watergate. the assassination of john lennon. and they had their own innovations, disco, and the presidential bids of jesse jackson. through it all, one woman kept journals of her personal evolution toward what she describes as free womanhood. she writes of the decades between 1970 and 1990, i left college, moved to atlanta, got married, had a baby, quit a job, helped to elect a mayor, lived by my wits, became an artist, had a play produced, had my heart broken, mendeded it, found my honor, found my smile, realized i was a lot stronger than i thought i was. and a lot wilder, too. in her newest books,

award-winning playwright and author takes us on a journey, as she both she and her country wrestle with the new world they're creating. back with me now to discuss her new book is the one and only, pearl cleage. i love this book. >> thank you. >> i spent a lot of time with it. why reveal so much of your inner self in this way? >> i said to my daughter, which is how my book started, that i wanted to give this book to my first granddaughter when she was 16. it's personal. it's something you wrote for yourself. and my idea was that it was certainly something i wrote for myself, but i also thought it was a valuable record of a real journey of a real person who because of the life i was living was touched by all of the major movements of our time. many of the people who were making those movements go in our time. i felt like there was information in these journals that would help young women, and also women of my age, look at our lives and see where the lessons are. >> i was so depressed by that beginning. the idea of your daughter saying, i don't want to read the

journals, and potentially you should even burn them. it made me sad, both because i'm obsessed with my mom's childhood, and i always like every little piece of it. but also because i have two daughters and i think to myself, yeah, they probably presume that my life begins with theirs. and that sort of the humanity of who your parent is, is unavailable to you in certain ways. >> i don't think that was the thing. i think for my daughter, that she's been so close to me, we're very close and have always been close, so she's gone with me to rehearsals. she would grab her little backpack and she would go. she felt like if she had information she needed, she knew me very well. she also knew how much i cared for those journals, how much i had put into those journals. i think actually there was a protectiveness in her about me exposing myself in this way, to say, this is really me. this isn't a character. novels are one thing. but this is my real life. these are real people that i know. and i think she was less not interested and more protective of me for saying, this is it.

i don't have any secrets. and i really don't. >> that's actually extremely helpful to me. you talk about mothering your child very young. i think it was a 2-month-old, i kept screaming out aspects of this. you have, at one point you said, i do feel a little overwhelmed, a little insecure. i feel like i have to be super mom, super wife, always smiling, cute, et cetera. i know i shouldn't feel that way, but i do. good grief, she's just a week old. and i thought, oh, yeah, i feel that sense. and i wonder, i guess it's also surprising to me that this daughter was born right around the same time that i was born. and in all that time, a new mom can feel just the same way. >> the same thing. i think part of it is we don't talk about how hard it is. we think we can be -- that other women are this perfect being and it's just us. we didn't get it organized and

lay our clothes out the night before. i thought i could have a baby, continue to work in the mayor's office at a high-level stressful job and run home at lunchtime and nurse the baby and come back. and that's insane. you can't really do all of that. >> don't tell me it can't be done! >> it's very, very difficult to do. you know how difficult it is to do it. i think if we can admit that it's difficult, it makes it more possible that we can do it when we are trying to do it. we can get that help. we can get people to help us do it. if we look at you and say, her baby must be perfect. that baby never cries, we feel like we're not doing something right, because we only see the ideaized version of you. we don't see you when you have the baby and carrying her on the plane and carrying that stroller. we have to tell the truth about our lives to not only our daughters, but to each other. and people will look at the parts of the book that i said, okay, everybody knows this, and they say, oh, my god, they'll tell me, i've never seen this in

writing before. i've never seen anyone admit this or that. i think that's why i'm loving the response of the book. >> there's a kind of, almost bare-faced honesty. it's not like, let me tell you this painful thing. it's a journal. it really does read like, oh, of course, this is who i am. there was a moment i was reading last night where you write, this was my last political campaign. i said that out loud today. and i knew immediately that it was true, so true. politics is nothing but any kind of sustained good feeling or creativity. again, the idea that at this moment, when sort of -- particularly african-american politics and urban politics was coming into its own, that it would feel to you that it was opposite. that it was operational to good feeling. >> it was because, i think there was so much pressure. i went to work for the first black mayor of atlanta. he wanted to be perfect. he wanted everything to go well. he didn't want anybody to be able to say, this is what

happens when you put black folks at city hall. he was trying to be the perfect mayor. so i think for all of us, that desire for perfection meant that sometimes they would want us to shave the truth. don't tell how hard it is. don't tell that the mayor made a mistake. i'm an artist, i have to tell the truth, that's the whole deal for me. so it became a problem for me to do the work that i was trying to do, and also do the work that he thought he needed me to do. >> here's what i heard you say. you don't have to be perfect. you don't have to present as you're perfect and you must tell the truth. that is something i hope i remember to tell my daughter. thank you very much. to pearl cleage. that's our show for today. join us next saturday at 10:00 a.m. eastern. hi, alex. happy easter. >> and to you. thank you so much, girls. all of us in our purply blue. we're going to go live to boston where preparations are under way for monday's marathon, where security is certainly tight and resilience is very

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