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sunken ferry. >> president putin has a dream to restore the soviet union. and every day he goes further and further. >> easter brings a deadly shootout and no relief to tensions in eastern ukraine. back here in boston they are getting ready to run again. we'll go live to boston commons ahead. plus -- >> people talk about columbine, virginia tech. be honest they don't often talk about red lake, minnesota. >> we don't remember all of the shootings, unfortunately, for a number of reasons. one of them being that there are just so many. >> nbc's loeester holt takes a unique trip with a young man 15 years after the tragedy of columbine. i'm craig melvin. we start with the latest on the desperate search in the waters off south korea. now divers are trying to headache it through the wreckage

of the sunken ferry. the death toll is up to 58. at least 240 are still missing. meanwhile there is new information this afternoon on the final moments aboard the ship before the accident. transcriptses revealed disagreements between ferry crew members and officials on land. the officials wanted an immediate evacuation. the crew was worried passengers would not be rescued if in time. bill, what's the latest. >> reporter: hello, craig. after four days of frustration and failure divers have now found several ways to get into the sunken ship so the pace of the operation here has quickened and the death toll is rising. the dives -- hundreds of them -- are using axes to smash windowses and get with into the passenger area for the first time. establishing with ropes, a

passageway. five separate ways to bring the bodies out of there. for some of the relatives that's a huge relief. they want their children out of the water. why wasn't this done several days ago when there was a chance our children were still alive. many of the real tifs have had enough. they went on a protest march aiming at confronting korean officials. they were on the road confronted by police who blocked their path. there were scuffles between the parents and the police. the parents yelling and screams, why are you doing this? please, somebody help us. police stopped them and the protest was broken up. i was in a gym where they wait for news. every time a new body was brought on shore the details are flashed up on a screen.

intimate details of hair color, description sh size of the child, what they were wearing and these details trigger very deep emotions. there were anguished screams from the floor of the gym. one woman said i just want to die. another person saying the relatives haven't come accept that their children are dead. they have given up hope. as for how the disaster happened, one official says they have almost ruled out the possibility that the ship hid hit a submerged rock. they are focused instead on the young, inexperienced -- only 26 years old -- junior officer who was steering the ship for the first time, prosecutors say. taking a well known short cut, but it is treacherous waters. they are focusing on the route she took.

funerals are taking place three 17-year-olds. this is no longer a search and rescue. this ises a recovery operation. it's a national tragedy, long, painful wait for the parents ear. back to you. >> thank you, bill. ukraine's informal easter truce didn't last long. three people were killed in eastern ukraine. pro russian militias control the area. today's violence is the latest sign there are talks held in geneva last week. they have done little the to reduce tensions. ukraine's prime minister told david gregory on "meet the press" he's concerned about the aspirations of russian president vladimir putin. >> president putin has a dream to restore the soviet union. and every day he goes further

and further. god knows where is the final destination. >> off the coast of australia, a robotic submarine has been scanning the ocean floor looking for malaysian flight 370. it's covered half of oh its search area but hasn't turned up clues. is scan of the sea floor should be finished next week. meanwhile moments ago a separate malaysia airlines flight which took off today was forced to make an emergency landing. this flight, headed to india, was forced to turned around because of a landing gear mal malfunctioning. pope francis prayed for peace today in his easter blessing. more than 150,000 people gathered for the pope's mass delivered from an alter on the steps of st. peter's basilica. the first family celebrating by attending services at 19th street baptist in washington, d.c.

according to reporters in the church, the presence of of the fist family createded a stir. the pastor had to ask worshippers to remain in place during greeting time because so many people tried to rush and meet the first family. 4/20 is today's date. 420 also has become a code name that's synonymous with smoking marijuana. folks in denver are enjoying their first 4/20 since pot legalization there. the recreational sale of oh marijuana became legal september 21. >> we are in downtown denver. the official site of each year's 4/20 rally. this year it is less a rally and more a festival. you see all the vendors down ear selling products. there is live music. it's really more of a celebration this year than lobbying for something because recreational pot sales are legal

in colorado. we are expecting thousands of people. maybe 100,000 people to attend the rally in civic center park. denver police want to get the word out. a lot of people don't know it's still illegal to smoke marijuana in public in colorado. they are out here keeping a watchful eye on people to make sure nothing is going on. they have written 34 tickets. 22 for public consumption. there is a fine that comes with that of about $100. this is a celebration. it doesn't mean you can smoke here in public. the mood, people are happy. people are celebrating, calling it a move lt. here in the park, people are eep. we are in civic center park. back to you. >> steve, thank you. preserving a chance at parenthood to focus on climbing

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one small south carolina town could become the next battleground over gay rights. on tuesday, crystal moore, the female police chief of la the tta, south carolina, was abruptly fired after more than two decades of service as a police officer with the last two years as chief. moore is also openly gay. newly elected mayor bullard said it was a personnel issue that has nothing to do with moore's sexual orientation. but moore and a growing number

of supporters insist she was fired only because she's gay. now that claim is being bolster bid a recording that catches the mayor allegedly making anti-gay comments. local wbtw with got it from a town councilman who said he recorded the mayor. >> i would much rather have -- and i will say this to anybody's face -- i would much rather have somebody who drank and drank too much taking care of my child than i had somebody whose lifestyle is questionable around children because that ain't the damn way that it's supposed to be. while bullard didn't on firm that was his voice he said i can assure you that the firing of chief crystal moores has nothing to do with her sexual orientati

orientation. and if the town attorney will allow me to speak in specifics about this matter i will be glad to sit down for an interview with you. we'll hold him to it. we look forward to him joining us on the broadcast. firing someone for their sexual orientation isn't illegal in most of the country. joining me from south carolina in her first national tv interview is former latta police chief crystal moore. thank you very much for joinings us. >> thank you for having me. >> start us off in simple terms. what happened? >> i was just doing my job like i normally do. we had a festival that weekend prior to my suspension. went to work. i had no idea. i was shocked. i got called in to the office i was in the office with the town attorney and received seven rep ary madonnas at one time. >> what did the attorneys say to you during the meeting?

>>. >> the attorney didn't say anything. he asked me to read the reprimands which i did. i said i would like to talk to attorney. he said, i want to talk to my attorney first. he said, are you going to sign these one more time? he said, no, sir, i'm talking to the attorney. i got red are di to walk out the door. he said, your services are no longer needed. turn in your badge and gun. >> what were the seven reprimands for? >> the reprimands were with actually -- i had been involved in the investigation with town employees. i was doing what the law and the town policy and ordinances said for me to do. i have no idea why i was fired. i was doing what my job was. >> at what point did you decide you had been fired because of your sexuality?

>> since he had been mayor there have been accusations. i went to town council and him personally and asked about the accusations that have been in town. he denied it. they approved there was a wonderful job. i'm there. all i wanted to do was serve and protect my town. i don't understand. i was doing my job. to the best of my ability. i have no idea why -- i mean, i'm doing my job. i don't understand why he would fire me. >> what were the accusations you mentioned that you went to talk to town council about? >> they told me to watch my back, that he was after me because of my sexuality. >> who cold ytold you that? >> different citizens coming to me. >> they would say, chief, be

careful. i hear the mayor is after you because you're gay. >>ers y. me and another employee. >> 20 years on the force. have you ever been disciplined? >> no, sir. there was one in 1996, i guess, about a day off. i went to a grievance committee and it was taken off of my history because it was over a day off that i asked for twos months in advance. that was actually i went to a grievance committee and they took it off. i had no reprimands. >> you heard the recording -- i'm sorry. >> other than the seven i got in one day -- >> >> you heard the recording allegedlied to be the mayor. what do you think? >> it is crushing that in this day and age that's how he feels. he's there to be a leader for

our town regardless of his personal beliefs. i did my job. i supported my community. i have worked hard. for him to say that, it rushes me. it truly crushes me. i'm a very flexible, hard-working person. all i want to do is get back to my job. i want to fight and get back to the town i love and want to serve for them. >> there is a gofundme website set up by will brown where people can donate to help you with living expenses while you are unemployed and legal fees you may incur. they have raised $2,000 so far. are you surprised? what do you plan to do with the money? >> i am surprised. the outpouring of the community shows they knew i was there to do my job. it shows they are supporting me. from there it has went from just

my small community to state to i've gotten feedback in texas and e-mails from all over the united states. different organizations. different people. it means the world to me. that money will be to help me continue my bills. i have always worked since i was 9 years old. i worked in my upgle's store. i went to work at an ice cream shop. i have never been unemployed. this is a shocking time in my life. it's ho ifk are. i'm sitting here and i don't know how i will make my bills or keep my -- i have never been without insurance. thankfully the community and citizens of the united states because i'm getting donations from everywhere, will help me and allow me to continue until i can get back to my job. >> crystal moore. you for your time on this sunday afternoon. >> i appreciate it. happy easter to you. >> happy easter. i want to bring in sarah weblow,

from the human rights campaign. this is something that a lot of people may not know. in south carolina are there's not a state law that protects lgbt employees against work with place discrimination. in fact, 29 states don't have measures protecting gay workers. does that mean in 2014 that people can be fired legally for being gay? >> absolutely. when there is a lack of laws on the book s then you have a scenario where an employer instead of judging an employee based on merit says i don't like you for who you are and fires that individual. >> discrimination laws that are on the books now don't cover cases like this? >> well, as you mentioned, there are 21 states, plus the district of columbia, that have explicit laws that says it's unacceptable to fire someone based on sexual

orientation. we don't have a federal law that clearly lays it out. because chief moore is a public employee, she may have some recourse under the u.s. constitution. but we need everyone to be on notice and to be held to the same accord under the law making it illegal to fire someone based on sexual orientation. >> there is a bill out there. the employment nondiscrimination act. not a new concept. it's been introduced in congress since 1994. it's so old members of congress and members of congress who wrote it have died. senate passed it in november. john boehner said his chamber won't take it up. what's the hold-up? congress? >> the bill passed the senate

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100,000 people will start in hopkinton and end on boylston street where three people were killed last year. there is a lot of security. you see cops everywhere around the common and toward where the race is set up. there will be 40-some-odd checkpoints. so if you are coming to watch the race leave certain things in your car or home like big purses, backpacks, strollers. anything that can carry something larger than a one-liter bag will be checked. you can bring them. but racer aren't allowed to have backpacks with them. they can have a fan any pack with water, supplies, vitamins and things. they want people to see security but don't want people worrieded about safety here. the boston police commissioner says it will be one of the safest places in the country if not on the planet tomorrow. >> weather, 64 and mostly sunny

tomorrow. sounds like a beautiful day. what celebrations are planned for after the race? >> there are a couple of official parties. a lot of folks go to fenway for a celebration there of. there is an after party at the house of blues. i'm sure there will be after, after, after parties that will go on through the night provided tomorrow goes off without a hitch as even expects. it's patriots day. a big state holiday. the kids will be home from school on the race course. a million plus people. >> not just covering the story. ron mott lives in boston. thank you. >> happy easter. >> keep it here all day one year after the bombings as we talk to survivors and some of those making boston stronger today.

there were images that changed this country forever. terrifieded students, hands in the air u running from columbine, escaping america's deadliest massacre ever. the two teenage gunmen killed 13 people, then themselves. today marks 15 years since the tragedy. tonight on "date line" lester holt document it is emotional journey one survivor takes as he struggles to come to terms with the tragedy. >> there is a particular smell in the air. it's sweet, everything starts blossoming. it's a time when everything comes to life. really all i can think about is death. >> sam is a granule watt of columbine high school. he was there on april 20th, 1999. 15 years ago. do you see the anniversary as a day, a set of weeks? >> it's a time period. january goes by.

february goes by. i start to get the feeling around march. >> then you fall off a cliff? >> pretty much. >> emotionally. >> it's like hitting a brick wall emotionally. you can see it coming from a mile away. it's the anticipation of april. >> no one understands sam's inner struggle better than his columbine class pates and his principal. >> sam is still processing what happened and having did i have cull the tis. is it common? are are you all finding the same thing? >> i went to college right after. they did a fire drill. all of the sudden i just froze. tears started streaming down my face. i didn't understand. i couldn't move. >> do you have to have been physically wounded to still be traumatized 15 years later? >> absolutely not.

everybody who was part of columbine high school experienced grief. >> this year i'm getting calls from parents of graduates of 1999 saying talk to my son, my daughter. he's been in and out of jobs, had substance abuse. they're struggling now. >> lester is with us this afternoon. good to see you, sir. you traveled with sam, i understand it, as he visited several schools including columbine that had shootings over the past 15 years including virginia tech as well. what was that journey like for him? what was it like for you? >> the important thing is it was his journey. our cameras tagged along. it was his conversations with the survivors at that time other schools. the first stop is jonesboro, arkansas. it was a year before columbine a number of students were with kill there had when young middle school students went on a rampage with guns. each stomap he meets people to talk about coping mechanisms.

they all dread the spring when these things happen. virginia tech anniversary was last week. columbine this week. red lake, minnesota, that was march. it's the time of year when this happens. these people feel a sense of dread in the spring. >> you mentioned red lake, minnesota. there have been so many shooting you forget. the school shootings that weren't columbine. arkansas as well. what were the conversations like? >> when we got to minnesota ten people were killed. that shooting occurred on an indian residences vags. he met up with another guy who was his age at the time who told a similar story. it was almost chillingly similar to what sam went through. he had a harrowing day at columbine. there was a moment they realized they were in the same situation, separated by inches.

it's a healing journey. he picks these things up and ends back up in columbine where you saw the conversation with his former classmates, with the principal, frank deangelis. he's not alone. we look at these things in terms of the number of people killed, injured. we don't know how many people walked out alive. after all these years people think aren't you over it? and a lot of them aren't. >> you talked about the sense of a feeling they are cut off as a result of the shooting take a listen. >> we are not alone. we aren't as isolated as we think. >> you say not alone. i would argue not forgotten. people talk about columbine, virginia tech. they don't often talk about red lake, minnesota. >> we don't remember all of the shootings unfortunately for a number of reasons. one of them being that there are so many.

>> the first few years he wanted to get back to his normal life but he was struggling with the anniversary. it's been difficult. you will find as you look at this hour he's a neat guy. he workses in the film business. he's a blast to be around. he says he goeses into a severe depression. if he was alone it was a key thing for him to discover there are others year s out feeling the sense of isolation. i'm watching that, thinking i'm ashaumed but i can't remember the name of the high school where kids were stabbed in pittsburgh. >> murraysville. >> it happened. there are so many people are

suffering. >> we have become desensitized in a way we weren't 15 years ago. >> northern illinois university, i was changing planes in dallas that day. i'm sitting there and they have cnn up on the board there. this bulletin comes on. what's going on, i'm listening to the death toll increase. i look are around and here's what i see. we are doing what they were doing. they lost the sensitivity. hadn't heard a mar jik number here. not criticizing people but it's a sign of how they process these things. >> we look forward to seeing that tonight. check it tonight. date line's columbine anniversary, the road home tonight at 8:00 on nbc. up next, a big idea for the next natural disaster. how help may come in a new form. it's a cool idea. check it out.

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a massive multi government response was put in place to try to protect prosecute wildlife beaches and wetlands. what happened devastated the gulf coast. more than 8,000 animals were found dead or injured in the six months after the spill. birds were left coated in oil, some drowned because their feathers were so heavy. sea turtles were found covered in oil. deep sea corals were discovered dead. some seven miles from the site of the explosion. today, four years later, there are duelling headlines. bp said last week that, quote, its active cleanup of the disaster was completement the company calls it a milestone adding that it is no longer scouring the coast for oil. today, dolphins in southeastern louisiana are still being found and treated for health problems related to the spill. noaa says it will be years before the full effects of the spill on marine life are known.

studies continue to show high toxin levels in fish like tuna and oysters. this week the coast guard's man in charge of the response, captain thomas sparks says this chapter of the cleanup is not over by a long shot. helping people affected by natural disasters is the motivation behind today's big idea. it's not the regular kind of help. the idea, giving people the power to rebuild their homes themselves. it's called apparatus x, a recreational vehicle that's been redesigned to serve as an adaptable tool trailer, mobile design studio and laifing unit as well. it can also be used as a first response vehicle. it's an yood dreamed up by a fellow named aaron workman at penn state university. good to see you. what inspired you? where was this idea born? >> well, the idea was born out of my undergraduate thesis work

at penn state. i was looking at displaced populations which led me to look at the situation in new orleans. almost the third worldization that occurs due to natural disaster that is strike our communities. >> how does it help with areas like new orleans after hurricane katrina? >> i think the typical response to a natural disaster is a flood of aid from the outside in. this response is kind of creating a grassroots effort. it's flipping and challenging the outside-in approach and trying to create an inside-out approach and give the people the tools and allow it to permeate from the inside out instead of telling them what they need, allow them to develop what they need and how they need it. >> walk us through what this is. this apparatus x. >> so the unit itself -- well, the first prototype i'm building

is a refurbished rv, essentially. it's a completely self-sustainable unit with solar panels, water collection filtration system. it provides its own power and water. things that are necessary in immediate response. >> it has an adaptable nature that can open up the trailer. the back end transforms a work space into a building yard. the flex space in the center of the trailer actually is an area for gathering or talking or designing together as a group. so it can connect the contractor or designer, the architect, with the person that's there and create a place for design and moving forward to happen that puts people in contact with each other. >> quickly, how close are you to finishing this and how close is it to being made available for

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choosing between family and career. it is still a dilemma for many women in the workforce. more women are now turning to science to beat the biological clock and they are doing it for different reasons. "businessweek" magazine's cover story this week takes a look at the rising number of women freezing their eggs and what all of it means for family and career planning. i want to bring in sara elizabeth richards. sara had her eggs frozen and wrote about it in "mother hood

rescheduled. the new frontier of egg freezing and the women who tried it." dr. jeffrey share is the co-founder of share's institute for reproductive medicine. sara, you write, in part, "amid all the talk about women leaning in and having it all, the conversation is left out perhaps the most powerful gender equalizer of all, the ability to control when you have children. what led you to freeze your eggs? >> well, i had gone through a break-up. i had dated somebody who didn't end up wanting children. so i found myself -- i'm in my mid 30s and you kind of wake up and you think, oh, my gosh, having children is something i always wanted, something i'd always planned to have and all of a sudden you go through this process where you realize that you're losing that option. so it was -- when i learned that it was available i definitely wanted to do it.

>> dr. share, we know that part of the reason more women are doing this, more women are freezing their eggs, is that technology has improved. but how much of the surge can be attributed to women also now using this as a way to help with career planning? well, for women delaying having children is a way of being able to fulfill their career aspirations. and the problem with egg freezing is it works very well, but it is something that women should embark upon early because the older they get, the more difficult it becomes since the eggs get older and less competent. >> how early are we talking here? >> well, a woman should definitely -- if she's wanting to freeze her eggs, she should do so in her 30s, ideally. some centers don't bank eggs for women when they get beyond 40 but new technologies are allowing us to selectively freeze only the genetically good

eggs. we can identify them by testing and then selectively freeze those eggs and give even older women the chance. it is just more difficult for them. >> sara, i want to pick up on the career pressure. "business week" reports in a 2013 new york university study of 183 women who had frozen their eggs, 19% said that they might have had a child earlier if the workplace had been more flexible. how much did your career drive your decision? >> not so much. the women i interviewed if my book, contrary wasn't such a big factor in their decision. for them they'd gone through a divorce, they'd gone through a breakup. what i found is that women were mostly having relationship issues or not having the partner they wanted. seemed like control was something they could control but their romantic lives was something that was a little harder. i didn't think it was as strong a driver as their relationship status. >> doctor, talk about cost for a

second. this is very expensive. the cost of freezing an egg alone can run anywhere from $7,000 to $12,000. that, plus medication an storage fees makes this a very expensive undertaking that is not covered by any major insurance plan out there. the procedure, this is cost prohibitive, dr. share, for the overwhelming of majority of women in this country. is that always going to be the case or are costs going to come down as technology improves? >> well, i think there is no doubt that costs will come down as demand increases. but you should bear in mind that probably -- there's probably a need seven or eight times gre greater than in-vitro fertilization for fertility purposes by freezing eggs. there is an enormous pool of women that are really interested and would be wanting to go into this opportunity. >> quickly here, what options are open for women, open to

women who are not financially secure necessarily who might want to choose to freeze their eggs as a way to delay having a child? >> well, it depends why they are freezing their eggs. if it is simply for lifestyle enhanceme enhancement, to defer having children so as to fulfill career aspirations, that's one thing. but many women freeze their eggs also because they are diagnosed with cancer, very often breast cancer and they want to freeze their eggs before they undergo surgery or treatment that could really compromise egg quality and the ability to have a child later. and in that arena, there are opportunities to do so even free of charge in our own centers, we provide in many cases free egg freezing for such cases. >> thanks to you, appreciate your time. that's going to do it for us on this easter sun. thanks for joining us.

"disrupt with karen finney" is up next. >> loving that easter tie. >> thank you very much. . we are talking about an equality evolution, what walmart can learn from i pope this easter sunday and two sleeper issues that could motivate women to disrupt mid-term elections. all that and more. i'll see you back here next saturday, 2:00 eastern. have a great afternoon.

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