show" to talk about the future of the program. he hosted that show for more than 20 years and coal berlt will be taking over next year in 2015. that's going to do it for this edition of "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ his name is meb keflezighi. there's the line. he's across. >> boylston was known last year for the tragic, but coming to america to be able to turn that left turn and get a crowd going. this is beyond running. this is for the people, for the boston strong, and we're resilient as runners. we want to give it back. we want to change what happened last year. and last year was known to be the bomb explosion on boylston.

but this year, just to win it is beyond words. >> that's nice. boston strong, good morning, everyone. it is tuesday, april 22nd. welcome to "morning joe." kind of a hazy, lazy morning. with us on set we have political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele. haven't seen you in a long time. >> i know. >> how are you doing? >> great. >> "morning joe" economist steve radner is here. hi, willie. >> good morning. >> man, you must be exhausted. third place finish? i'm bummed they didn't talk about willie coming in third. there he is right there. he had a third place finish. willie geist, number three. >> now issed a gooz a time as any i took the t for most of it. but i did come in third, yes. >> it's just perfect. so we have a lot to talk about

today. did you hear about chris christie the latest news? >> father of the year. >> that's good. that's good. >> yeah. council in new jersey. it's the father/mother's day named him father of the year. why won't he return my calls? >> because you voted against him for father of the year. you voted for willie geist. >> i've called and text him. >> he has wonderful kids. they're so cute. i bet they'd return your calls. >> i spent most of my time talking to him about his wife and kids. i think one of his kids goes to princeton. they're a great family. >> yeah. great family. >> he just won't return my call. i don't get it. >> you know what i don't get, i don't get how that kid crawls into that wheel well. >> explain that. >> and how's he still alive? don't the pilots go up there

where it's below zero. >> at 35,000 feet you have 30 to 60 seconds of useful consciousness before you black out. it'll be about 80 to 100 degrees below zero fahrenheit in the air. and people speculate that because there's some systems and hydraulic lines running through there, it may have kept him warm enough to stay alive. but he was unconscious. usually this happens when the wheels come down, you fall out. and he must have wedged -- was unconscious, i think when they landed. he didn't fall out. it's extraordinary. there are many cases of people trying this. almost no case of people living through it. >> it wasn't just a jump from d.c. to new york. it was five hours. so you can be passed out for five hours and wake up in maui? >> i guess your body goes into a low state.

>> you know what almost as bad as that? taking out a car in the middle of the night when you don't have a license. >> what's that? >> another very random thing said. >> what does that mean? >> when you have these little bursts, these little spasms of lucidity, you need to connect the tissue. who did that? did one of your children do this? >> i can't name names. but someone's in big trouble. >> did this happen last night? >> this happened last night. >> listen, i'm just going to do the news. i'm saying you don't get into wheel wells and travel in the wheel well of the plane. let's make a choice. >> i want to be father well. so no wheel well. >> and number two, do not drive without a license at 2:00 in the morning. >> i'm going to circle that one because i was 50/50 on what my kids came to ask. but 2:00 in the morning.

how are you doing this morning? oh, my god. when did you get that call? >> it's a long story. anyway how, it's -- are we on the air? >> we have time. >> holy cow. >> on a school night, no less. >> anyhow -- >> did your father give you a call? >> no. we have starting in late may here on the set of "morning joe" is what we call "morning joe" boot camp. and there will be a lovely, lovely child coming in at 4:00 in the morning for one, two, three, four, five, now six weeks and working eight-hour days. under daniella. >> remember when joey was here. no, i'm having a crisis. so i woke him up at 3:30 and he came here at 4:00. and the crisis just went away. it worked.

he'd go home and watch "sportscenter" and fall asleep two seconds later. there's something great about work. you don't have time. >> enough about my frustration. >> there's a new defense underway. we're not talking about the one at mika's home against her daughter. >> no. >> it's against al qaeda in yemen. though you may want to consider drone attacks. >> over the past three days over 65 militants have been killed. the strikes targeted a training camp for terrorists. the yemeni government says at least three of tys were killed. showing the group's leader out in the open meeting with hundreds of fighters. yemen has struggled to maintain the organization. without the u.s. drone program, extremists would overrun entire portions of the country. this with yesterday's ruling by a federal government which ordered the u.s. government to publicly disclose its legal justification for using drones to kill american terror suspects

overseas. the judge says the administration lost its right to keep the information secret after officials selectively disclosed certain details to the press. a "new york times" editorial agrees with this saying in part, quote, the administration's attempt to have it both ways in this instance cherry picking information to share while keeping its underlying legal reason secret recalls its response to the revelations of widespread phone surveillance. in both instances the administration has found itself to be more interested with its public relations crusade than being open and honest with the american people about significant acts carried out in their name. instead of appealing monday's ruling to the full second court he should see the wisdom of allowing the conversation the country needs to have. >> you know we're talking during the political campaign taillight -- >> i vaguely remember that.

>> at the same time they were criticizing -- they were criticizing leaks and justified going after the a.p. you know, seizing their phone records. also a guy over at fox news. same time they were leaking these stories about barack obama sitting in a room and picking out terror suspects to kill. >> who's going to get it. >> right. and they would selectively leak. and the court here is saying you can't have it both ways. you can't leak info for pr purposes to make him look like a strong leader and then come back and tell us the information is too sensitive. >> exactly right. once you open up that door where you're going to play the pr game to show how presidential the president is being in an international situation, the press and i think the courts now would affirm has a right and the american people has a right to know. spell it out. who are the players, who are the

targets? you can't just do this piecemeal. again, this administration has taken drones to a whole other level. that's great. you're killing the bad guys, but you've also put yourself in a disclosure quagmire. you're saying look at this but not this document over here. this list of names, but not these names. so the administration can't have it both ways. they're going to have a pr problem now with people in the press. >> but they're not the first administration -- not defending it -- not the first to select what they want them to dmoe. it's the press' job to find out. the press has been frustrated on this issue. but the white house is doing what all white houses do. make the president look presidential. >> i wonder what president elizabeth warren is going to do. >> stop. >> what do you think? you're interviewing her tomorrow. >> yesterday you brought this subject up in a very undermining way. >> what do you mean? bringing it up so she had to

deny it? >> here's the thing. she's not running for president. of course not. senator elizabeth warren is attracting a lot of attention with today's release of her book. while it recounts her past experiences, there is plenty of her future plans. >> i read articles and one is titled hillary's nightmare. and they're talking about you. >> you know, i don't get who writes these headlines or what they're about. i think there's a pundit run out there. >> are you going to run for president? >> i'm not running for president. >> there's nothing to change your mind? >> like i said, i'm not running for president. >> and do you think hillary clinton would make a good president? >> i think he's terrific. we've got to stay focused on these issues right now. >> i think she's exactly right. willie geist, there is a pundit world out there and the water's so warm inside of it, isn't it? >> that's the great thing. come inside, senator warren.

water's just fine. >> no. >> you don't think there's any chance she runs to the left of hillary clinton or whoever? >> i think people really want her to run. i think the people i've talked to who are democrats are excited by her. there is no way she could have answered that question any other way. are you hillary's nightmare? thanks. that's not helpful if you want get an answer. >> not helpful to the warren cause. he's being a great journalist. >> it's like, no, actually. that's basically saying you're going to get a no. because the hillary clinton group would close in on her and get rid of her so quickly. she has to say no. >> the real question is not whether she should run against hillary clinton. the answer to that is no although she could. i think the other is if hillary doesn't run or isn't gathering strength. >> and that would have been the

question to ask. sorry. it's not hard. okay? >> i think he did a great job. by the way -- >> i don't think he did. >> i'm going to ask the same question. you can borrow some of these questions, right? >> no. i'm actually -- joe, you're not going to be there. >> i'm going to get my massage. they're going to fix my nails. and i'm going to ask a question. >> i read the book which helps a fighting chance which goes on sale this time. you can hear us both. so can we move on now? because what elizabeth warren stands for actually goes to the next ongoing discussion about income and wealth inequality. >> is she for income inequality. >> this book, i can't wait to hear what steve has to say. everybody's talking about this book. >> they're not just talking about it. >> can we just say your daughter

actually -- >> reading it last night. >> left to get this book last night at 2:00. she says the kids were all down there getting this book at barnes & noble. >> yeah. teenagers. >> let's go ahead. >> it gets worse. >> and mine are just like yours everybody. the book is "capital in the 21st century" by thomas piketty. >> save the french names for me. >> research and data look at economic patterns dating back to the 18th century. it's number one on amazon.com. it seems out of nowhere. >> and it was written in french. translated into english. number one on the amazon best seller list today. so there's your secret, all you authors.

>> can i have that one? >> it loses something in the translation. like many great works. >> it's like michael dukakis in spanish. >> as the website vox sums it up, the best solution would be a globally coordinated effort to tax wealth. >> that's going to work. yeah. yeah. that -- they will love that. >> i'm going to start reading it right now. >> i want to know who gets to collect the tax. >> the solutions aren't perfect, but let's look at his analysis of the problem. it's interesting. >> have you read this? >> i read in french and then in english. >> it has a lot of charts in it. >> it has formulas. >> let's hear it. >> so look. he did do some really groundbreaking research. let's start with income inequality but then i want to

talk about wealth. you look at this chart showing what's happening to the top 1%. now, we've heard a lot about the top 1% of the u.s. but let's look at the top 1% compared to the top 1% in britain. let's go back to the time of downton abbey. let's see how it was higher in the u.s. the top 1% in britain in 1910 -- >> oh, that's 1910. go ahead. >> sorry if you can't read it. had about 22% of all the income. the u.s. where we were having the guilded age, had about 18%. but then look what happened during the two world wars, the depression. the lines caught up to each other. >> right. >> and then look what happens since then. the u.s. has pulled ahead if that's the right way to describe more inequality. so in fact today the u.s. has gone from being a more democratic, less unequal society than britain to being a more unequal democratic society. >> help me for those that are on

their couch and can't see across the room. there's this sharp tick that goes straight upward like a mountain cliff. is that the 1980s? >> yeah. 1980s. >> and would you and other economists suggest that uptick upward happened because of tax cuts? did that happen because of an explosion of wealth across all sectors? what happened? >> all of the above. tax kuts, explosion of wealth, the stock market was very strong. remember it hit bottom in 1982 and went straight up from there. and more money was earned on capital than labolabor. >> the flattening -- plets go back to the charts that suggests a strong middle class. go back to the first chart please. see the flat. is that the effects of industrialization after world

war ii? >> it's a bunch of things. the world war and the depression of wealth. it is the rise of the middle class. and again progressive taxation played a big role in this. progressive taxation came in in the early 19th century. let's now compare the u.s. and uk to other countries. here's the u.s. and the uk. same numbers we looked at before. some called old europe. and you see sweden down there at 6.9%. people think of it being very unequal. and in fact india and china, less unequal than the u.s. and the uk. >> how much does the top not 1% but the top 0.01% drive that number? >> top 0.01% has 5% of that

total. so out of 17.4%, maybe a third of it. >> is that mainly wall street driven or tech driven? >> it's all of the above. wall street driven, ceos, people in their own businesses. people who started manufacturing businesses and things like that. let's look at wealth for a second. this is where the new information is interesting. this goes back to 1810. this is 200 years of data. and the red line is britain again. and you can see throughout most of the 19th century into the 20th century, britain as you would -- i'm sorry. this is europe. britain, france, and germany were heavy in wealth. here in about 1900, 60% of all the wealth in those countries was held by 1%. the u.s. which is the blue line below was more equal.

and this is sort of what you would imagine. but again over here the lines cross in the post-war period. and you can see that the u.s. becomes more unequal. and today the top 1% in the u.s. has 33.8% of all the wealth in this country. and in europe the top 1% has 24.4%. one more point. remember a minute ago we had a chart that said the top 1% in the u.s. got 17% of the income. they got 17% of the income. they have 34% of the wealth. so actually wealth is much more unequal in this country than income. >> and let's split this up between -- let's talk about the cause and effect. how much of it has to do with, let's say, the tech revolution, the way wealth can be accumulated on wall street overnight versus tax cuts which democrats say if we only could

raise taxes more, we'd have a more equal america. >> it's a mix of all that, honestly. the tech revolution, the change in premium put on skilled workers versus unskilled workers. the fact there would be return on capital meaning the money you could make on wall street. and tax policy plays a role. about how the effective tax rate of the wealthiest americans has come down and down until recently it's picked up a little bit because we have cut the tax rate on capital gains, dividends, estate taxes. and all that helps the wealthy. >> what is somebody making $500,000 in new york end up paying on the state, local, and national level combine snd. >> you know, it depends on their source of income. >> let's say they get a check for $500,000. >> if they just get a check,

they're going to pay close to 50%. they're paying a lot if they get a check. if they're clipping dividends or getting stock price, they're paying 20 percentage points less than that roughly. >> right. there are a lot of people that get the check at $250,000 living in manhattan paying 55% of their taxes to the federal government. they hear this talk of raising taxes and they don't know how much more they can pay. >> you remember the famous anecdote from the campaign when warren buffett said he went around his whole office and he had the lowest tax rate of any of the people who worked for him including the secretaries. >> and that's the insanity. the fact buffett could pay 14%. >> he was paying that on capital gains. that wasn't a paycheck like his

secretary. >> i understand. >> but that tax is taxed income. >> i've had people come up to me all the time saying you need to figure out how to pay a capital gains rate. i said i get a check across the desk. i'm not complaining. i'm fine. i'm saying nobody in america that makes a billion dollars should be paying 14% tax rate. barack obama, one of the most telling moments in the campaign after blasting mitt romney for paying 14% tax rate, they asked his and it was 18% or 19%. that's just wrong. that's wrong. >> on income, yes. on investment, that's a different conversation. >> no. if you're wealthy enough that you can figure out how to move your money around and i just -- i don't think our party should support any millionaire paying a 15% tax rate on millions and millions of dollars they make per year when their secretaries are paying 28%.

>> again, that's investment income. >> i understand. >> should it be taxed that way? >> i'm not disagreeing with the idea. the question is why is it taxed that way. ask the men and women in congress. because that's what they set up. >> barack obama had other things. he managed to put 100 milli$100 in an ira. the rich don't pay taxes. >> they don't. >> should our party not support a minimum tax? we support a maximum tax. we don't think it should be over 35%. shouldn't support for all americans be at least 25%? >> absolutely. a number of folks talk about flat tax or something like that. >> if you make a billion dollars, you shouldn't say i made investments and got carry md interest. i'm only going to pay 14%. >> we need congress to eliminate those carried interests and those investment thoughts. >> they can keep those tax

breaks people there that want to pay a 14% tax rate. but they can pass something where there's a flat, minimum tax on millionaires and billionaires. >> i guess my question is how do you treat -- if i get a check off of an investment i made, not off of income i've earned, okay? how do you treat that -- you're talking about taxing that twice? >> i'm talking about a minimum tax rate per year. >> okay. and that's what they pay now. they pay an investment rate. >> i understand, mike. >> what should that rate be? >> i'm saying there should be a minimum tax. >> i'm going to let you continue on the break. >> and they should not be paying 14% or 15%. they just shouldn't. >> okay. coming up on "morning joe," investigative roerl cheryl atkinson. >> that will be interesting. you worked with her at cbs. >> i did many years. we go way back.

up next the top stories. he better bring me a duck call. the top stories in the politico playbook. and here -- i just have so many ways to get to you, bill. i'm just going to say give us the weather. >> let's both be on the safe side on this tuesday. long week ahead still. good morning, everyone. one thing you haven't heard me say all year long is we had a killer tornado. that's the first time we've gone this long without it happening. yesterday no tornadoes in texas. we did have large hail. so far this season we've had 425 tornadoes, that's where we should be. this year we've only had 109. we've only had 25% of our typical tornadoes so far. and we haven't had any huge killer tornadoes. we've gone now to april 22nd without a tornado fatality. that's the longest we've gone going back to 1950.

as far as this morning, we have a bit of light rain heading out of cleveland towards pittsburgh. that will make it to the i-95 corridor later this afternoon. carry that umbrella. you'll need it briefly this afternoon to this evening. it's a nice tuesday across the country. plenty of mild air out there. as we look at wednesday, the only troubling spot will be out there in the spral plains. that's where we could see a few tornadoes. forming in the late afternoon, mostly nebraska, north texas. not expecting a huge outbreak. we continue with a quiet tornado season. thankfully that's good. i think we deserve it after that miserable winter. washington, d.c., you're ready for a beautiful morning. "morning joe" when we come back. ♪ know what the experts at your ford dealer think? they think about tires. and what they've been through lately. polar vortexes, road construction, and gaping potholes.

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out about your daughter? >> why do you keep talking about it? >> you brought it up. how did you find out? >> i didn't. jim just noticed the car was pointed in as opposed to pointing out. >> halfway in the grass? >> no, it's fine. my god. >> did you figure it happened in 2:00 in the morning? >> we're good. it's just -- >> what are you going to do? >> "morning joe" boot camp. yeah. >> 4:00 a.m. wakeup calls all summer? >> 3:30. five days a week. let's look at the morning papers from our parade of papers. "the seattle time," president obama will visit the mudslide sites in washington. it's been a month since a mudslide collapsed. the mudslide tore dozens of homes. president obama will meet with victims' families and first responders. four people still listed as missing. >> and from "the wall street journal," netflix plans to hike

their a prices because this worked so good for them before. they say they see a rise in subscriptions. they added 4 million users worldwide this year in the first quarter. stock prices jumped 6%. and after-hours trading yesterday. tried this before and it was devastating. i guess they can afford it now. >> "the chattanooga times free press." the uaw drops appeal in tennessee. vw workers voted against unionizing the plant back in february, but the uaw says third party groups tainted the decision. they now say it's time to focus on plant expansion. something that could add hundreds of jobs to chattanooga. >> and the federal agency is putting a stop to powdered alcohol. >> can you believe this? >> the product gained label

approval earlier this month. >> who comes up with this idea and says what a great idea? >> willie and i often talk about how great would it be if you had a powdered version of alcohol. >> right. so alcoholics can walk around with it in their pocket? >> yes. so we could walk with it. dwre. it comes in six varieties of alcohol that can be mixed with water. the approvals were issued in error and is going to be revoked now which is a sad day for america. >> "the sun." veep, it is hilarious, will be on for a fourth season. starring julia louis-dreyfus. earlier in the week hbo annou e announced to renew "game of thrones" for two more seasons. >> willie geist, are you a

"veep" fan? >> i love it. and it gets better from season to season. it's one of those shows. >> fantastic. >> she's incredible and the supporting cast as well. >> yeah. all of them. >> let's go to mike allen. he's got a look at the playbook. good morning. >> good morning. and you look well recovered from your race. >> thank you very kindly. the screaming headline on the top of politico right now is who is dr. ben carson. this is a guy who's very popular in some conservative circles. he did well in the cpac straw poll. and how wild a wild card is he? >> he's the wildest of wild cards. he's going to keep making news the the 2016 campaign field. this is a field that's looking for a story line, looking for people to make news. the ben carson phenomenon i think started as an online fund raising gambit. he first got noticed at the national prayer breakfast a year

ago. his speech, 3 million youtube views. there's now a superpac draft ben carson which has raised $2 million. it's starting to raise a political structure. this is a former neurosurgeon from baltimore who says he doesn't want to run. won't even say he's a republican. but he does say that more physicians like himself should be involved in politics and policy. and the grassroots out there has latched onto his story. >> as you said, he doesn't even identify with a political party. how serious a figure is he within the conservative or libertarian movement? >> he's not serious in the long run, but in the short run, we see these flashes like we learned in 2012 that we can change again and again. and so his time will be brief. but the signs from this fund raising, from the continued online appeal of him, from his willingness to build a national

organization, he's going to last and be a story for some months now. >> he's very popular in some circles. he's also way out there on other things. you point out in the piece he says the affordable care act is, quote, the worst thing that has happened to this nation since slavery. so you have to take the full picture with dr. ben carson. politico's mike allen with the playbook. thanks so much. coming up, nba playoff drama. the thunder needs magic to send their game to overtime. we'll show you what happened there when we come back. ♪ i'm tony siragusa and i'm training guys who leak a little, to guard their manhood with depend shields and guards. the discreet protection that's just for guys. now, it's your turn. get my training tips at guardyourmanhood.com

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♪ all right. time for some sports. let's start with a little playoff basketball. warriors and clippers. the warriors stole game one. but the clips come back strong last night. blake griffin after throwing the water in the fan on the previous game has 25 points. they get their first round series win. so in game one he fouled out. there was a warriors fan the the front row heckling him. he is looking up at the jumbotron at the foul at the

replay like come on and targeted the fan with pouring water on him. >> good target. >> nailed him. oklahoma city the grizzlies and the thunder in game two. okc rallying in the fourth. it comes down to this play at the end of regulation. >> durand. ibaka. a long range three. comes up short. and perkins. >> the putback at the buzzer sends the game to overtime. but the grizzlies pull away in overtime. they win 111-105. big win for memphis. that series also tied at one. to the ice a little playoff action. things looking grim for pittsburgh. they're down two goals in the period but their luck changes quickly. scored three unanswered goals in about two minutes to get the win. huge swing in that series. in minneapolis, the wild hosting

the avalanche. scoringless through regulation until this. >> he scores! and the wild are back in the series! >> the wild take game three. the avs still lead the series. >> so two quick questions. finer points about this match. >> yes. >> where are the wild from? >> they're minneapolis. in the cities. minnesota. >> one other quick point. where are the avalanche from? >> that's going to be colorado. greater denver area. and hockey is where they trap blades to their shoes and they travel across ice with pieces of wood in their hands. and a puck. a pair of dramatic endings in baseball last night. >> gattis line drive deep left. eureka! the braves have beaten miami.

>> into right. and phillips can't get it. here comes martin. here comes a throw. goes back to the screen. russell martin scores. and the pirates win the first game of this season. >> that was one of the worst plays. >> second baseman from the reds was drunk. >> he blacked out. >> he had some powdered alcohol and he was mixing it in his gatorade. >> he dove to the left. look at this. one shoulder. and it's not like going to the drive. >> wow that was terrible. pirates win. braves beat the marlins. tomorrow a big day for us. "morning joe," "way too early" live from historic wrigley field celebrating 100 years of

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>> five or six years ago. >> actually it was a long time ago. >> 13 or 14. >> so i'm going to say actually 17 years ago. we started working together at cbs. >> yeah. overnight shift. >> she did the overnight shift and i followed in her footsteps. >> how'd that work out for you? >> i looked up to sharyl. >> so sharyl, obviously there's been a lot of speculation why you left cbs news. we've all followed it even while you were there, the back and forth of it. let's talk about the dustup. your book's called "stone walled." when did you feel your stories weren't getting the play you thought they deserved to get? >> it's a long story. off and on over time there have been issues over different stories over the years. but most recently it became more of the stone wall where virtually anything i pitched on any topic, corporations,

charities, government watch dog. pretty much anything i considered original or investigative was just -- there was just no appetite for it. >> benghazi seemed to be a turning point as well, didn't it? >> i don't know if it was a turning point. it followed a pattern of other stories. they encouraged me very much to go down that trail, that path. and it seemed at least to me and my producer there's almost a day that the interest stops. and from that point on, you know, when you're kind of just digging into the story and digging deeper, it seems sometimes if there's no interest on the part of the broadcast to continue pursuing the story. >> mika has told me horror stories from different networks she's worked for over the years about everything she pitched. one moment you're the sort of it girl, her word, and everything you pitch you do. and the next minute it's subjective. everything you pitch ends up rejected. >> that's so true. i think there is -- >> but in this case, let's break

it down. in this case you seem to believe that there was an ideological reason for that happening. explain to us. >> well, i didn't say that. i mean, i know that's been the quote that's been tossed around that there was -- >> or your supporters have speculated that. >> i think there are just overarching the i thinks at play. and it's play. and it's bigger than a couple people. it's unprecedented influence on the news and the media, facebook, social media, the images the public sees every day by outside forces. these are special interests, corporations. and i do think there's been this tendency to shy away from any stories about the powerful and those in charge. >> specifically the obama administration? >> well, that's just one of the facets. you look at government as one facet. you look at special interests and you look at corporations being i guess three branchs of the same problem. >> so let me ask you, is there bias at cbs news?

let me ask it another way. is there bias at the three broadcast networks? >> i think they're must like other networks whereby there's a big mix. but i think it's sometimes that comes to play. i wouldn't say that was my primary issue and the reason i left. >> mika? >> so did they let you write this book? >> well, the book is now being written. so they don't have any say in it. >> because pitching stories and i know because i went through it during my it girl time. you hitch stories that you think will rate. stories that you think they think will rate. you also pitch stories you think are really important. and often those three facets the last one being the most

important one colied. i guess my first question is what didn't make air that should have? what was blocked? >> i decided for many reasons not to go into a lot of detail. i'll probably write a lot in the book when i can think it out and word it carefully. but it was a huge variety of stories. i'm not the only one complaining about that and it's not the only network where correspondents think this is going on. watch dog stories in the powerful. be it charities, government, corporations. in general there's a sense now that anything about government and i'm not even saying politically, it may be the same no matter who's in charge. you just don't want to go up against the government. >> if you're not saying at this point what were blocked or could you say what shows or who blocked them? >> cbs evening news was definitely a tough nut to crack the last couple of years. virtually i can't think of -- there may be a story or two. no one expects all of their

stories to be accepted, but there was a time when all of mine were but i couldn't get 20% of 10%. virtually there was everything. and the evening news was the broadcast that likes these stories for many years that suddenly changed its appetite in my opinion. >> you said that happened you to overnight also? >> for different reasons. they were going to fire me. so they felt that what's the point of putting her on the air. she is someone we want to ease out. and so i went from 100 miles an hour to 0 in the course of a week. and then i went in to see hartman and he said pitch stories. if you pitch stories -- and he didn't put anything on the air. not one story. and then he pitched to story -- then they gave me a story that i didn't agree with. and i did it because i wanted to get on the air and then i got reprimanded for -- anyhow.

they were trying to get me out. >> the point here i want to make and bring it up, it is such a subjective situation that for instance if somebody on the cbs news -- >> but that's one person that makes the decision. is jeff not letting you on the air? >> there's a managing editor, producers. and the ones in new york collectively make those decisions. >> we need to say also you guys work together. we know chris licht over there. and david rhodes. who by the way, i know them both. just for people out there, they are not ideological lefties. >> that's why i'm confused. i can't wait to read your book. >> if your talking about cbs evening news, these news shows are. you have one person who can just flake somebody away. >> probably for both of you, what was the trigger?

from it girl to out of it girl? >> you never fully know, am ill right about that? >> well, i've done a careful study of my situation. and i think -- >> was it something you said? the way you presented a story? >> no. i have new management. they hired katie. in the same week i was supposed to be the weekend anchor. and i also made a little bit more than the other correspondents and all of a sudden i looked like -- >> what? >> i bet you didn't know that. don't worry. she got fired. >> because i had '60 minutes" and weekend anchor. at that point that was an investment that wasn't worth their while or i stink. i was horrible on television. it's one of those two. >> i can't let you go until we boil this down. i've been reading about you for a year now about how you've been trying to get the truth out and the liberal media has stopped you from getting the truth out. especially stories on benghazi. i'm going take one more pass at it and ask you do you believe

your reporting especially at the evening news was -- do you believe you were stopped from reporting important facts that the audience should have listened to because they were biased against the fact that this story which shed negative light on the obama administration? >> i would more accurately say there's a tendency to shy away from stories against the powerful. and that's the stage the media seems to be in no matter who's in charge. right now it happens to be the obama administration. that's my answer. >> all right. sharyl attkisson, thank you so much. this was like a reunion. >> my gosh. >> she just found out you got paid more than her for a little while. >> it didn't last long, don't worry. i'm serious. right when you make it to the top, like a bug. sharyl attkisson, thank you. we'll be right back. where castles were houses and valiant knights stood watch

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♪ all right. welcome back to "morning joe." happy earth day. >> oh, yes, today. >> welcome to earth day on the networks of nbc universal. >> yes! >> visit msnbc.com/earthweek to learn more. >> look at thomas. happy earth day to you. >> why'd you do that? >> it's green. someone's got to represent in the family. someone's got to wear green. >> joining us jon meacham. and in washington msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. michael steele still with us here at the table. >> great article out of financial times.

>> rattner gave that to me. >> this is big. >> two books on my dad. mika have you seen the book about me and the other book about me? >> rattner got this one out. two books on dr. brzezinski talking about the parallels -- >> but did you see the books about me? >> i just read just yesterday in the fall of 1987 vice president george bush was on his way to poland. was briefed by dr. brzezinski. very favorable reference. >> what'd he say? >> to other heavily accented diplomats. >> what'd he say? >> he thought there was a certain straightforwardness to dr. brzezinski that was not widely shared -- >> by henry kissinger. >> that's one of the quotes here. israel's former prime minister

said kissinger was the most devious man i ever met. but with dr. brzezinski, there was never any question. and i think we all know that on the set of where he stood. so either around this set or around cabinet tables or the roosevelt room. >> or the dinner table. >> or the dinner table. exactly. >> all right. let's go to talk politics, shall we? with the fate of the democratic-controlled senate on the line in the upcoming midterms, both parties have their yies on a tight race in arkansas. this is an interesting one. kasie hunt. according to polls, the race is neck and neck. now the cotton campaign is looking to capitolize on the recent comments made by pryor made in an interview with kasie. >> how do you view his tours in

afghanistan and iraq? >> total respect for that. i appreciate that. i will never criticize anyone for serving our country and say thank you for that. >> but you don't see it as a request fgs to become senator? >> no. there's a lot of people in the senate that didn't serve in the military. in the senate we have all kinds of different people. all kinds of different folks that have come from all kinds of different backgrounds pi. i think that's part of this sense of entitlement he gives off. almost as i served my country, therefore let me into the senate. that's now how it works in arkansas. >> pryor has said since he's grateful for congressman cotton's service. he can play got ya games all he wants, i'll keep working frg veterans. but cotton isn't letting comments go. >> senator pryor says this gives me, quote a sense of entitlement. i brought in an expert.

i met drill sergeant norton. he taught he how to be a soldier. accountability, humility, and putting the service before yourself. >> now what cotton? >> permission to speak? >> speak. >> i approve this message. >> you on thin ice, cotton. >> that was adorable. >> you like that? >> yes. i liked it a lot. he really put himself out there and it was fun and kind of playing on the controversy at hand and kind of hokey but i thought it was cute. >> arkansas may be one of the last states of the old confederacy that still votes conservative but still has this democratic slant. mississippi's not that way anymore. not south carolina, not tennessee. but arkansas still a chiropractor named pryor has no

reason to still be competitive in this race. >> right. >> still doing very well. this is going to be at least a close one for awhile. >> to me it's an interesting bellwether. it shows whether we're going to have national parties or solely regional parties. you talk a lot about this with republicans in new england. democrats in the south, same way. if democrats in the south can't win at all, then our national elections in particular are going to be entirely regional affairs. and i think if arkansas, louisiana -- right now it's hard to imagine a democrat winning in tennessee. impossible in alabama. very hard in alabama. >> georgia's sort of -- yeah. it's winging. >> like north carolina and virginia have swung. >> no doubt about it. let's go right now to gene robinson. i think these southern red states are going to be where the senate is won or lost.

and fascinating conversation occurring not only yesterday morning on our show but i also saw joan walsh and others write about it yesterday during the day. that the big question is how democrats in louisiana, arkansas, north carolina handle aca, obamacare. because you can do it one of two ways. you can say well, the electorates always in these elections are older and whiter so we're going away from obamacare or try to expand the electorate as i think it was joan's column mentioned "new york times" polling that showed that support for obamacare is split on racial lines for the most part. and if you want to get minority voters out, certainly the last thing you want to do is shy away from the affordable care act. it's a big question for democrats to answer. >> it is a big question. and i think they're going try to walk a tight rope as long as they can.

not going all in for the aca but saying enough nice things to get their numbers up. in the end i've said it before. i really think changing the composition of the electorate on election day and making it more like a presidential year electorate rather than an off-year electorate is the only way, really, that democrats can hold these seats. so in the end i think you've got to get your base out. and you do it with high-tech targeting and get out the vote and everything like that. but you also have to give people a reason to vote. for a lot of those voters, for a lot of minority voters in those states, defending the president and his policies are a big reason to get out and vote. >> michael steele, you've run a national party before. off-year elections are different. certainly you ran the historic 2010 elections where republicans won more legislative seats nationwide than ever before. and you were able to pick off

democrats who were running away from a piece of legislation they voted for. would you if you were a democrat suggest to other democrats that running away from the affordable care act is probably the wrong move. they need to embrace it? >> i would run into the storm. i'd run headlong into it. particularly given the trend lines right now one it's almost a 50/50 right now. m but the facts of the matter is the democrats should run into it. you're going to get in certain states other issues to buffer that particular concern on health care. you can offset it with other issues. so if you allow the game to play out, will you isolate the issue solely around obamacare. that's all you're doing. you're not talking about anything else. what we did with the fire pelosi campaign, we made that the

banner. but underneath it you could relate it to anything. you want your trash picked up, fire pelosi. you want state legislature to run right, fire pelosi. >> so it was reason-based. >> it was reason-based. yes. >> yeah. >> rational politics. >> but that's what grassroots activism is about. it's about what's going to motivate that base to go out and fight for an issue despite what the overarching conversation may be about. obamacare, fire pelosi. it's really how you -- and you talked about it. that localization of the electorate, the campaigns. >> so a couple weeks ago we were talking about the fact that republicans could not just run against obamacare if they wanted to win. that 2014 was not going to be 2010. there is another issue that can you dig noo into these numbers. and even in some of these southern states, these red

states. it breaks against republicans in some states. and that is medicaid. whether your governor and elected representatives supported the expansion of medicaid expansion or not, that is another issue that may play really big in louisiana and arkansas and north carolina. >> and certainly those are the voters that people want out to the polls to vote for you. because as we learned on veep, it's the old people who vote. they have nothing else to do. >> that's the problem with obamacare. >> they get out there and vote. if the republican party doesn't come up with a better idea along the way and get rid of the replace -- we peel language with something to replace it. and you were successful with that banner of getting nancy pelosi fired, but ultimately the aca lives on. while that might be a -- with 8 million people in the boat

together all sailing off, it's hard to turn it around. >> all right. so -- >> and that's another thing. there are numbers you can use the 8 million number and et cetera. our point here this morning is again what we said a couple weeks ago. republicans will have to do more than just run against obamacare if they expect a big victory in 2014. >> and that's the difference between '14 and '10. >> moving on now, senator elizabeth warren is attracting a lot of attention with her new book release today. there's plenty of focus on her future plans. >> i've read a number of articles in the last week. one is titled hillary's nightmare. and they're talking about you. >> you know, i don't get who writes these headlines or what they're about. i think there's a pundit world out there. >> are you going to run for president? >> i'm not running for president. >> there's nothing that could change your mind? >> david, like i said, i'm not running for president. >> do you think hillary clinton

would make a good president? >> i think hillary clinton is terrific. we've got to stay focused on these issues right now. >> mika, what's wrong? >> i'm sorry. you want me to pull the veil back on tv news? >> be nice. >> i'm going to be niced. when you do taped interviews and want to create a moment, you say things like are you hillary clinton's nightmare. and it cuts to the person saying i'm not going to run for president. you'd never want to be hillary clinton's nightmare. but if you want an answer, i think the question would be if hillary doesn't run, would you consider if people especially were asking you to. >> would you? if hillary doesn't, would you run? >> i've come in this morning to tell you all if senator clinton doesn't run. of course. but you're right. that's pundit world as she kauls

it. it's part of the showbiz part of it. >> but it's not getting an answer. >> let me ask you that question. if hillary doesn't run for president, do you think she will run? >> i think there will be a ground swell of support for her to run. i think it's something for her to consider. in her latest book she has out, it certainly lays the groundwork for a great message that the american people would wrap their arms around and already are in some inner circles. >> you notice the verb tense too. i'm not running for president. >> of course. >> i'm not having breakfast. but that doesn't mean i will never have breakfast. >> there is something clintonian about that. >> bill clinton and hillary clinton have been around for awhile in the public eye. we know how -- and i really like hillary clinton. i would be excited about her as the nominee, but we know how fervent and entrenched their group is. if someone were to ask you the

question are you hillary's nightmare, would you want to say yes? >> i'm not running. >> exactly. i wouldn't want to be. >> more accurate to ask hillary whether she is? >> mika makes a great point about revealing what's going on in this two-camera shoot. david mir doing a great job there. asking the question that's going to be highly teasable. you're going to be able to put in teases and get everybody juiced up to watch this interview. elizabeth warren is doing a great job tap dancing around the questions of running or not. if she does reveal her hand, i think that these sound bites might come back to bite her. >> she says i'm not running. and she says i think hillary clinton is fabulous. she doesn't say i support her for president. she never said she might not run in the future. i mean, she did what she had to do. but the whole thing was kind of boring. >> i think david did a great job. >> uh-huh.

he's wonderful. >> gene, fascinating by hillary clinton, is the prospects of hillary clinton and the entire democratic establishment running up behind her. usually you have a party lining up eight years out of power with someone who's ill-defined. but the idea is she can win or he can win. i would be surprised if we get between, you know, this day and 2016 and not have a liberal or progressive out there. because as i've said time and time again, hillary's more of a neocon than an awful lot of republicans that are going to run in 2016. and she's also very tight with wall street. it would be hard to find anybody with closer connections to wall street than bill and hillary clinton. this is not exactly your father's liberal democrat. great in general elections, but i just wonder if the democratic base is frustrated with this.

>> i think there's going to be a lot of voices who are looking for a more progressi ivive alternative. somebody who is friendlier to the issues that the left of the party really cares about. but, you know, in the end, those voices may be drowned out. you know, the hillary clinton is a towering figure in the democratic party when people think about 2016. half the party believes she should have gotten the nomination in 2008. and that it's her turn if she wants it. it's hers if she wants it. so i'm not sure how much traction that that wing of the party really gets. we'll have to see. but somebody will emerge. you're right. there will be a clamor among folks for an alternative. >> jon meacham? >> i think gene's right. there's room for perspectives on

the progressive side in the primaries. there's a reason, though, the clintons are the clintons. they're a general election family. and it connects arkansas. there's a reason. he's a democrat who won in arkansas for 20 years. and that takes some nimble political skill. >> it does. >> the bushes are a general election family. >> i'm looking at clinton and warren both worked in the senate. hillary clinton worked for president obama. a presidency in which the positive results may be decades away. so she's not going to get immediate gain from that and may even have an immediate loss given benghazi and other things they can get her for. elizabeth warren kicked out by obama. because why? perception is wall street doesn't like her. >> she is gearing up for the warren campaign. >> hillary clinton can win. elizabeth warren has a message. >> okay. >> can i point out -- >> this is the warren

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♪ >> you recently tweeted you have been sanctioned by russian president putin. >> he sanctioned me which means no spring break in siberia. >> you seem pretty happy to get sanctioned. >> it's amazing. does not vladimir -- i like to call him vladimir. >> of course. >> doesn't vladimir understand that there's nothing that could do me more good poetically than be sanctioned by vladimir putin?

duh. >> that is a good question. with us now republican senator from arizona senator john mccain. it's great to have you here as always. let's talk about ukraine. front page "new york times" this morning talking about chaos breaking out in crimea. that little invasion doesn't seem to be doing a lot for the russians right now. and the question that we've asked time and time again is what can america do? what can this president do to turn back putin in his march westward? >> well, first of all i would not underestimate vladimir putin. we have read him wrong now for five years. pushing the reset button, saying we're going to be more flexible. et cetera. he's going to say the worst thing that happened was the breakup of the soviet union. so he has ambitions.

he's not stupid. and he has gone into crimea. what has he paid for crimea? 11 people sanctioned and one bank. we keep threatening and threatening. the second thing is, of course, he creates this unrest on the border. and that, of course, is something that prevents the new government of ukraine from getting imf loans, from doing the things you do with governance. and finally, i think he is checking his options and what the cost and benefit is. which is why he keeps these troops on the border. there could be no other reason for him keeping the troops on the border. and he could according to some smart military guys, go across the south. >> jon meacham, you're hearing time and time ago hearing everybody from jane harman to dr. brzezinski who says it's time to start asking the

ukrainians what weapons they need to defend themselves against russian aggression. to nick kristof saying if we don't do something the ukrainians will never forgive us. people not usually criticizing barack obama echoing what mccain is saying. >> can i give a quick example? i'm sorry, go ahead. >> hey. actually, your microphone had fallen off. it was a slight of hand. i didn't want to talk to meacham. go ahead. >> i'd say vladimir putin understands strength. and for us to say that we wouldn't give them defensive weapons and mres which they are even afraid to fly in on u.s. aircraft that we have to send in on trucks, that staggers my imagination. i find that inconceivable. right after world war ii there was a thing called the berlin

blockade. and harry truman went all out and they broke it. the only thing putin understands is a strong, viable alliance that also means everything from economic sanctions, et cetera. and there's one thing i know you already discussed that and that's energy. we got to get about natural gas and liquid natural gas and oil to break them loose from that dependency. >> the question is what does united states do to grow that alliance? we americas, this seems pretty cut and dry to most of us on both sides of the political spectrum that we have to show more strength. but that's not the case in germany. that's not the case in britain. that's not the case across europe. they're too dependent on russian oil. how do we bring our allies along so we don't go at this alone? >> i think we have to act. there are some sanctions we can impose which would give the europeans a choice. if we sanction some of their

financial institutions. they might have to decide whether they're going to do business with russia or do business with us. there's a lot of things we could do. but right now it's time we said the people of ukraine deserves free and fair elections. they deserve our support. and no one in america wants boots on the ground. i totally accept that. but to keep telling everybody don't worry we're not going to have boots on the ground. can we go one press conference without saying that? >> we might have to do something to enhance their military. here's vice president joe biden speaking in ukraine just a few moments ago. >> no nation has the right to simply grab land from another nation. no nation has that right. and we will never recognize russia's illegal occupation of

crimea. and neither will the world. we call on russia to stop supporting men, hiding behind masks and unmarked uniforms sowing unrest in eastern ukraine. >> or else what? with the vice president saying if they continue to do this, what will we do? >> what should we do? >> plans for energy. get them weapons to defend themselves. >> so give them weapons. >> bolster some defensive weapons. that's what they're begging for. and accelerate them into the eu. get the imf loan to them. there's a broad range of options we can do right now. i just came back from muldova, i'm not using the word afraid. but nervous what putin's going to do. >> the next move. what's the next move?

jon meacham. >> how would you characterize your conversations, relations with the white house? >> they've been good on a number of issues. immigration reform, some of the other issues. but honestly the president and i really parted on syria. it's beyond imagination. it's so awful what's going on with syria. it's hard for me to -- when we haven't done hardly anything now. i keep hearing we're stepping up support. but this is a horrendous genocide taking place. >> just to go back for a sec. try to put yourself inside of obama's head. given the logic of what you said about some small arms, things like that about financial sanctions, i think you would agree energy sanctions are -- i was going to say really are not viable at this moment because we don't have the energy to replace

that. >> we can work on a long-term plan. >> but that's a five-year project. put yourself in obama's head. given the logic of what you said which seems compelling. so why won't he do that? >> i tried to figure that out a lot. i think part of it is he came to office, going to get out of wars. we're not going to have any more boots on the ground. z we're out of iraq which you know is disintegrating. going to be out of afghanistan. i think he does not appreciate, in my view, the importance of american leadership. that we are an exceptional nation. it doesn't mean we fight every war. but it does mean for years we stood up for people who were struggling for freedom. that's what i think we ought to do a lot more of. and by the way, the american people are tired of war.

they were tired of the vietnam war too. we lost 55,000 brave americans in the vietnam war. it requires leadership and tell the american people why it's important that putin's aggression not continue. >> let me ask you about a hearing a week or two ago. you and secretary of state kerry have worked together for awhile. you've had some friendly moments together. you have respect for each other. but the back and forth between senator kerry, secretary of state kerry and yourself seems personal at times. what happened? >> i didn't mean for it to be personal. i will assure you. >> well, it was personal going both ways. it was personal coming back to you. >> i will also admit i have been to the refugee camps. i've seen the thousands of kids. i've seen the effects of the barrel bombs. i've seen this stuff. it haunts me at night to think of what is being done by bashar assad with a flood of russian weapons, by the way, and iranian

weapons and hezbollah in there. so i was saying to john that the geneva two was going to fail. it did fail because assad was not going to negotiate his departure. no way in hell he was going to do that. and of course the israeli/palestinian issue. which is if not failed is on the verge of failure. >> how many syrians having killed so far in assad's war? >> 150,000. >> we're up to 150,000. >> i'm sure it's higher than that, but a million refugees in lebanon. it's staggering. >> so i ask again, not just the united states because we can't go it alonalone, but where our allies? we can't we get a group of countries to go over as peace keepers to stop the slaughter? >> we have to leave and the saudis will help us and uae and

others will help but we have to lead. and for awhile there we were restraining others from supplying the resistance. >> if i could switch gears, jeff flake offered strong support to jeb bush over recent comments that jeb bush made that many immigrants come here illegally out of sort of an act of love for their families. and he writes in part, quote, this, truth is i agree with jeb and i applaud him for having the guts to say it. sure some come with the intent to do harm or simply take advantage of our generosity. but too many find work to feed their families to lump everyone together who crosses the border unfair and unproductive. having such a prominent republican speak so humanely and unapologetically about the motivations behind many of those who have come to reside in this country is good for all of us. >> i'm very proud of jeff flake.

i wouldn't have used the words that jeb bush used. i will point out as i have that we are a nation of immigrants. that 11 million people living in the shadows is not going to be resolved unless we act in a comprehensive fashion that some of the greatest contributors to our society and our nation are people who came here from some place else. and latino is just the latest wave. it's just the latest wave of people who have come to this country for a better life. >> we just need to do it better. >> i were jeb i would have said we need to secure the borders. and we can. we have the technology to do that. and we can have e-verify if someone goes for a job, they've got to have the right i.d. card. and we can do that. but frankly i admire jeb bush. >> you're running in two years? >> i'm certainly thinking about

it. ted kennedy told me a fight not joined is a fight not enjoyed. >> i'll answer that for you. he absolutely is. are you kidding me? >> that was a yes. that was definitely a yes. >> senator, thank you very being with us. >> you and my brother ian. i don't know what to do with you two. >> spend more time with him. >> i've had him on the show. he had conservative things. >> he's really, really smart. so is his father and so are you. thank you. >> thought it was going to be a sexist remark. >> you're good. you have survived. coming up on the show tomorrow, illinois governor pat quinn, mr. cub ernie banks. >> that's exciting. >> the cubs owner tom ricketts joins us from wrigley field, celebrating 100 years at the historic park. i can't wait. >> that's going to be fun. >> "morning joe" returns in just a moment. senator, thank you. ♪

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♪ what a beautiful shot of washington, d.c. live look at the white house at 46 past the hour. here with us now in honor of earth day, she's wearing green. epa administrator gina mccarthy. welcome to the show. >> thank you. great to be here. >> so you said you were nervous. not about being on "morning joe." >> not actually. it's throwing the first pitch at fenway tonight. >> it's stressful. is that going to happen tonight? >> yeah.

7:00. >> the hour before you're just going to be pacing around just wringing your hands. because i did that at dodgers stadium. i was so nervous. it's a long way from the pitcher's mound to home base. >> it is. and there's a lot of people. >> i think you're going to be fine. just remember to go high and at the end with a lot of force into it. >> i i'm just going to remember that baseball is not my calling. so i'm just going to enjoy it. >> you're the epa administrator. really? you're fine. >> yeah. i should be okay. i'll survive one way or another. >> just think green. >> oh, good. bring it over here. let me show you something, gina. then we'll talk about things like the keystone pipeline. okay. daniella, let's see. >> oh, there are lights. >> that was good. >> do it like that, okay? right back here. oh, lord. rattner. >> could you come with me? >> we'll practice after. >> very good. yes. >> and in the end you have to

keep it high and deep and really strong. not at the beginning because it goes to the ground. >> my god. you could have just jinxed me. you know that right? >> speak og -- speaking of jinxing the keystone pipeline. >> i think the president recognizes the situation in nebraska changed things. we've got the group undecided. >> it's a court in nebraska opposed to state department reviews over years and years. >> it's pretty important. the court did speak. it's right that the agencies comment. but we're not starting from the beginning. we're going to be prepared to make the decision after we're certain. >> after the midterms? >> there's a lot of issues that end up in court. and administrations don't wait until they're fully litigated to announce what their policy is going to be. >> this is a project that's not even started yet. and our comments are supposed to be on the route proposed. we no longer have one. so i think the important thing to remember is this has been going for awhile. the president said he's going to

make a decision on it, and the decision will be made. and it's also, i think, important to recognize that keystone is a project, but we've got a lot more going on. one of the biggest challenges we're facing is climate change on this earth day. >> i'm sorry. this is one of the biggest projects this country has seen in quite some time. i mean, in terms of the opportunity for jobs, the opportunity to create this whole idea of american energy and dependence to begin that process. and it's not just about the oil. it's about so many other things. and to me i think a lot of americans at this point, i think it's a lot of excuse making for political purposes to delay this if you were going to say we'll delay this until june or july is one thing. but after the midterm elections when you know you've got democrats running like mary landrieu and others who are now going to be more in the hot speet who are even calling for the administration to move on this thing. you don't see the politics here?

>> i think they said that they would wait to hear from the court about what the decision was on the route so that the agencies can properly comment. it can proceed. everybody's still commenting. we'll be ready to make a decision. this is all up to the state department and the president and i know it's -- i know it's a project that has a lot of concern. people are interested in it. but it is not the biggest thing that's changing the energy world in the united states. that's all about issues with inexpensive natural gas that's making us more secure. it's also an opportunity to reduce greenhouse gasses. we have an entire administrative strategy that the president laid out that's looking at issues of energy and climate and environment. as we're celebrating the 44th anniversary of earth day, we want to keep our eyes on the big prize right now, and that big prize is climate change and taking action to do something about it. >> look, i agree with -- for what it's worth, i agree with michael. i think it's taken on a symbolic importance in the minds of people on can the administration make a tough decision and come

down one way or another. when you talk about cheap natural gas, let me give you an example of a question i'd love to know your view on. new york city does not permit fracking. across the border in pennsylvania there's fracking. across the border in ohio there's fracking. does this administration support what new york state is doing or do you believe it should allow fraccing. >> this administration understands every state has a voice in this and can make their own determination but the president has been very clear about the value of inexpensive natural gas and fracking has opened that up. it needs to be done safe and responsibly. adds governors are looking at that, they need to make sure that they're comfortable, it's being done safe and responsibly, epa there is to back states up, to help them with that and to do some research and science about it and that's where we are. >> just your gut instinct, do you think the keystone pipeline should be approved? >> i don't have a gut instinct r

asking. >> good luck at fenway tonight. gina mccarthy, thank you. up next, a citywide egg hunting is over. now over 260 uniquely designed eggs are right here at 30 rock and it's all for a good cause. that's our egg, okay? oh, well, our own louis bergdorf has the story next.

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joe, i was at goldman sachs yesterday -- >> of course you were. were they printing money? >> no. >> because i don't know how this works because i'm not, like, a member of your elite world that you live in. but do they just -- you go down there and say i would like $100,000 to go to the south of france and they give you suitcases? >> i was with dena powell doing an interview that's going to air in this show and louis came along to shoot this interview and he said he's got this piece that's going to air but he's going to be in chicago, so he's going to have us toss to it. >> he's a busy guy. >> yeah. he's the executive producer, apparently. if you've walked around new york in the past month, you may have encountered elaborately

decorated eggs. it's all part of faberge's egg hunt. it features the work of famous artists to public school students. >> since the 19th century, faberge eggs have symbolized the pinnacle of op lens. of the original 50 made, only 43 remain and some have fetched over $18 million at auction. this month faberge has partnered with artists and designers from all over the world to take their acclaimed eggs from the auction block to the streets of new york. >> never have predicted how joyful and boisterous and loving the reaction has been here in new york. not a single egg sculpture has been damaged, not a single egg sculpture has been stolen. i think new yorkers have protected and incubated their brood of eggs to perfection. 100% of the money goes to two charities, elephant family and

we're buying habitat with the money and a much-loved new york children's charity and school who put art in classrooms that otherwise wouldn't have art. >> i had no idea that you would have this many eggs all of which are different, all of which are so inventive and imagine afternoon. >> the eggs were pretty desirable with the faberge association. who knows, we're hoping for millions. >> eggs are being auctioned off online with 100% of the proceeds going to charity. the jeff kuhns egg is going -- the morning joe egg is pretty good looking. >> go, people, go! >> coming up, striking a chord with american's working class is

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feet, it's 8,032 degrees below zero. >> at 35,000 feet you have 30 to 60 seconds of useful consciousness from lack of oxygen before you lack out. it will be 80 to 100 degrees below zero fahrenheit in the air and people speculate that because there's some systems and hydraulic lines running through there, it may have kept him warm enough to stay alive but he was unconscious. but the amazing part is usually when this happens, when the wheels come down -- >> you fall out, right? >> you fall out. he must have wedged -- he was unconscious i think when he landed but he must have wedged himself in there in some way that when the wheels came out, he didn't fall out. it's really extraordinary. there's many cases of people trying this -- >> it wasn't just a jump from d.c. to new york, it was five hours. so you can be passed out for five hours and wake up in maui? >> i guess your body goes into a low metabolism state.

>> do you know what's almost as bad as that? taking out the car, driving in the middle of the night when you don't have a license. >> okay. another very random thing said out of left field. when you have these little bursts, these little spasms of lucidity, who did that? did one of your children do this? >> i can't name names. someone is in big trouble. >> oh, did this happen last night? >> this is not the first time this has happened? >> i'm just saying you don't get any wheel wells and travel by air in the wheel well of a plane. let's make a list. >> i want to be father of year. no wheel well at 40,000 feet. >> number two, do not drive without a license at 2:00 in the morning. >> whoo! >> i'm going to circle that one. i was 50/50 when kids came to me to ask, but 2:00 in the morning,

huh? how are you doing this morning? oh, my god, when did you get that call? >> it's a long story. anyhow, are we on the air? >> we have time. >> holy cow! >> you know, there's a new offensive under way and we're not talking about the one at mika's home against her daughter. >> no. >> it's against al qaeda in yemen, but you may want to consider a drone attack. >> over the past three days, up to 65 militants have been killed in an operation involving american droughnes. the air strikes targeted a training camp for terrorists. the government says at least three senior operatives were killed. the attacks follow the recent release of a video showing the group's leader out in the open meeting with hundreds of fighters. yemen's military has struggled to contain the terror organization and american officials say without the u.s. drone program, extremists would overrun entire portions of the country. these developments overlap with yesterday's ruling by a federal court which ordered the u.s. government to publicly disclose its legal justification for

using drones to kill american terror suspects overseas. the judge says the administration lost its right to keep the information secret after officials selectively disclosed certain details to the press. a "new york times" editorial agrees with this saying in part the administration's attempt to have it both ways in this instance, cherry-picking information to share while keeping its underlying legal reasoning secret recalls its response to the revelations of widespread phone data surveillance pie the national security agency. in both instances, the administration has shown itself to be more interested with its public relations crusade than with being open and honest with the american people with significant acts carried out in their name. instead of appealing monday's ruling to the full second circuit or supreme court, president obama should see the wisdom of allowing it to stand and allowing the conversation the country needs to have. >> you know we're talking, michael steele, here of course during the political campaign

2012, i'm sure you remember that. >> i vaguely remember that. >> at the same time that they were criticizing -- they were criticizing leaks and so justified going after the a.p. and seizing their phone records and also a guy over at fox news, at the same time they were leaking these stories about barack obama sitting in a room and picking out terror suspects -- >> who's going to get it, right. >> -- to kill and they would selectively leak. the court here is saying you can't have it both ways. you can't leak info for pr purposes to make him look like a strong leader and then come back and tell us that this information is too sensitive. >> absolutely right. and the problem is once you open up that door where you're going to play the pr game to show how presidential the president is being in an international situation, the press and i think the courts now would affirm has a right and the american people have a right, okay, let's spell

it out. who are the players, who are the targets, what's the whole program here. you can't just do this piecemeal. and again, this administration has taken drones to a whole other level. that's great, you're killing the bad guys, but you've also put yourself in a disclosure quagmire because you're saying take a look at this but not at these documents over here. look at this list of names but not these names. so i think the administration has got -- can't have it both ways and they're going to have a pr problem now with the people and the press. >> but they're not the first administration, not defending it, the first administration to select what they want the public to know. they're shaping a narrative about the president. the press has been very frustrated obviously on this issue of drones among others, but the white house is doing what owl white houses do, make their president look presidential. >> i wonder what president elizabeth warren is going to do. what do you think, mika? you were interviewing her. >> yes. yesterday the way you brought this subject up was very undermining.

>> what do you mean? >> you just -- >> you mean bringing it up so she had to deny it? >> no. here's the thing. she's not running for president, of course not. senator elizabeth warren is attracting lots of attention with her release of her new book. while it recounts some of her past experiences there's plenty of focus on her future. >> i've read a number of articles and one of them is titled "hillary's nightmare" and they're talking about you. >> you know, i don't get who writes these headlines or what they're about. i think there's just kind of a pundit world out there. >> are you going run for president? >> i'm not running for president. >> there's nothing that could change your mind? >> david, like i said, i'm not running for president. >> and do you think hillary clinton would make a good president? >> i think hillary clinton is terrific. we've got to stay focused on these issues right now. >> you know, i think she's exactly right. >> exactly. >> willie geist, there is a pundit world out there and the waters are warm inside of it,

isn't it? >> come inside, senator warren, the water is just fine. >> no. >> come on in. >> so you don't think there's any chance she runs to the left of hillary clinton or whoever the democrat is? >> i think people really want her to run. the people that i've talked to who are democrats seem really excited by her. there is no way she could have answered that question any other way. are you hillary's nightmare? thanks, david muir, that's not very helpful if you want to get an answer. >> not helpful to the war in cause, he's being a great journalist. >> no, actually, that's basically saying you're going to get a no because the hillary clinton entire kabal would close in on her and get rid of her so quickly, she has to say no. >> the real question is willie said hillary clinton or somebody else, it's somebody else. the answer to whether she runs against hillary clinton the answer is no. i think the question is if hillary doesn't run, then what

happens? that's the question. >> and that would have been the question to ask. >> okay, okay. >> sorry. >> i think david did a great job. >> it's not hard, okay? no, i don't think he did. >> i'm going to ask the same -- you can borrow some of these questions, right? >> i'm actually going to -- joe, you're not going to be there. >> i'm going to get a massage, they're going to fix my nails. >> i actually read the book, which helps, "a fighting chance" which goes on sale this week. >> you can hear us both. >> can we move on now? because what elizabeth warren stands for actually goes to the next ongoing discussion about income and wealth inequality. >> oh, is she for income inequality? >> this book, i can't wait to hear what steve has -- to you say it? everybody is talking about this book. >> they're not just talking. >> it's a french economist. >> can we just say your daughter

actually -- >> was reading it last night. >> left at 2:00 in the morning to go get this book. >> yeah. >> they have an all night bookstore, she says. the kids were all down there getting this book, all night barnes & noble. so, anyway. >> oh, my god. >> it was worth it. let's go ahead. >> teenagers! >> oh, it gets worse. >> i know, i know, and mine are just like yours, everybody, and maybe worse. the book is "capital in the 21st century" by thomas piketty. it's a 696-page collection of research and data, examines social and economic patterns dating back to the 18th century. it also happens to be number one on amazon.com. it almost seems like out of nowhere. >> and it was written in french, translated into english. number one on the amazon best

seller list. >> so there's your secret all you authors. >> it just went with the translation. >> it's like michael dukakis' best language is spanish. >> as the new website vox sums it up, piketty says the best solution would be a globally coordinated effort to tax wealth. >> that's going to work. >> yeah, that will work. >> are you in? they will love that. >> i'm going to start reading it right now. >> the solutions aren't perfect. let's at least look at his analysis of the problem because that's actually pretty interesting. >> have you read this book? >> i've read it in french and then i read it in english. >> oh, it has a lot of charts in it. >> it has formulas, all kinds of formulas. >> so let's hear it. >> so look, he did do some really ground-breaking research that's worth talking about. let's start with income inequality but then i want to

talk about wealth, which is equally important. so if you look at this chart showing what's happened to the top 1%, now, we've heard a lot about the top 1% in the u.s., but let's look at the top 1% compared to the top 1% in britain. let's go back to the time of do downton abbey and show how income inequality was higher in the u.s. the top 1% in britain in 1910 -- >> i'm sorry, go ahead. >> 1910, had about 22% of all the income. the u.s. while we were having our gilded age had about 18%. but look what happened during the two world wars, the depression. we sort of -- the lines caught up to each other. then look what happened since then is that the u.s. has pulled ahead, if that's the right way to describe more inequality. so in fact today the u.s. has gone from being a more democratic, less unequal society than britain to being a more

unequal, less democratic society than britain. >> so steve, for those what are on their couch and can't see across the room, there's the sharp tick that shows straight upward. is that 80s or when is that? >> this is in the 1980s. >> 1980s. and would you and other economists suggest that sharp tick upward happened because of tax cuts? did that happen because of an explosion of wealth across all sectors? what happened? >> all of the above. tax cuts, explosion of wealth. the stock market was very strong. remember the stock market hit bottom in 1982 and went straight up from there. and essentially this is part of the book, more money was earned on capital than from labor. >> the flattening out in the middle, let's go back to these charts, which of course suggests a very strong middle class, go back to the first chart please, guys. is that the effects of industrialization after world

war ii? >> it's a bunch of things. it's actually the devastating effects of two world wars and a depression on wealth. but then again, it is the rise of the middle class, the strong post war economies, and again progressive taxation played a big role. progressive taxation came in back in the early 19th century as a result of all that disparity of wealth. but let's compare now the u.s. and u.k. to some other countries because we think of the u.s. -- of some other countries as week more unequal. here's the u.s. and the u.k., same numbers we looked at before. old europe, as you would imagine, less unequal and you see sweden at 6.9%. people think of the emerging world as being very unequal, having enormous disparities of income. in fact india and china, less unequal than the u.s. and the u.k. >> so, steve, how much does the top, not 1%, but the top 0.01%

drive that number? >> it has like 5% of the total. so out of 17.4%, maybe a third of it. >> is that mainly wall street-driven or tech-driven? >> all of the above. wall street driven, ceos. it's people in their own businesses, people who started their own manufacturing businesses, things like this. but let's look at wealth inequality. this goes all the way back to 1810. this is 200 years of data. and the red line is britain again and you can see that throughout most of the 19th century into the 20th century, britain, as you would imagine -- i'm sorry, this is europe, was very heavily -- britain, france and germany was very heavily driven by wealth. back here in about 1900, 60% of all the wealth in those countries was held by 1%. the u.s., which is the -- >> blue. >> which is the blue line below,

was more equal. and this sort of was what you would imagine. but again, over here the lines cross in the post-war period. and you can see that the u.s. becomes more unequal and today the top 1% in the u.s. has 33.8% of all the wealth in this country and in europe the top 1% has 24.4%. one more point. remember a minute ago we saw a chart that said the top 1% got 17% of the income? they got 17% of the income, they have 34% of the wealth. so actually wealth is much more unequal in this country than income. >> and let's split this up between -- let's talk about the cause and effect. how much of it has to do with, let's say, the tech revolution, the way wealth can now be accumulated on wall street overnight versus tax cuts, which

democrats say if we only could raise taxes more we would have a more equal america? >> it's a mix of all that, joe, honestly. the tech revolution, the changing premium that's put on skilled workers versus unskilled workers. the fact what we call the returns on capital, meaning how much money you can make on money because the stock market has been so strong plays a role of the and tax policy plays a role. we've shown charts here before, we can show them again about how the effective tax rate of the wealthiest americans has come down and down and down until very recently it's ticked up a little bit because we have cut the tax rate on capital gains, on dividends, on estate taxes and all that helps the wealthy. >> what is somebody making $500,000 in new york end up paying on the state, local and national level combined? >> you know, it depends on their source of income. >> let's say they get a check for $500,000. >> if they just get a check,

they're going to pay -- at the margin they're going to pay 50%, close to it. >> so they're already paying a lot. >> they're paying a lot at the margin if they get a check. if they get -- if they're clipping dividends on getting stock price, they're paying 20 percentage points less than that roughly. coming up on "morning joe" david lee and jay fielden is here. up next the top stories in the politico playbook but first bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> how come i never get a he's great from joe, huh? what's it going to take for one of those? three years from now? we're watching light rain from cleveland to pittsburgh. it will be sliding to the east. there's not a lot to it but it will require the umbrella as you're driving home today in many areas of the east. later tonight, 9:00, 10:00 around boston. let me take you through the timing of all of this. as we go throughout the day, by 2:00 the green is the leading enl edge of some rain. washington, d.c., that's your best chance of showers 2:00 to

5:00. philadelphia some light showers around 4:00. looks like new york city gets possibly a heavier batch, maybe a rumble of thunder or two sometime around 9:00 to 11:00 this evening and that will roll through southern new england later tonight. boston may wake up with wet roads but it should be clearing out for a pretty nice wednesday everywhere. that's just a quick shot of light rain. middle of the country is looking great today, but tomorrow is a different story. the storm that is now moving through the pacific northwest with a lot of rainy weather is going to cause some strong storms and tornados in the plains. specifically the areas we're targeting is in yellow here. there's a small chance of a tornado route break in this region. so from amarillo up to wichita, maybe oklahoma city, definitely to the west of town, up through central kansas and much of eastern and central nebraska. so we haven't had a lot of tornados this spring thankfully and we haven't had any deadly ones. hopefully we'll keep that trend going tomorrow afternoon. we leave you with a shot of chicago where "morning joe" will be tomorrow morning to celebrate 100 years of wrigley field.

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>> 4:00 a.m. wake-up calls all summer? >> 3:30. five days a week. let's take a look at the morning papers from our parade of papers. the "seattle times" president obama will visit the site of the mudslide that claimed the lives of 41 people. it has been one month since a hillside collapsed following intense rain in snohomish county. the devastating mudslide tore dozens of homes. president obama will meet with victims' families and first responders. four people are still listed as missing. from the "wall street journal" netflix has plans to raise prices for new customers as much as 25% because this idea worked so well for them before. the company says the streaming service continues to see a rise in subscriptions. netflix says it added four million users worldwide in the first quarter this year. that brings the total to 48 million users across the globe. stock prices jumped 6% in after-hours trading. they tried this before and it was devastating. i guess they can afford it. >> the "chattanooga times free

press" the united autoworkers union drops an appeal. workers voted against unionizing but the uaw says third party groups and republican politicians tainted the decision. all parties involved now say it's time to focus on plant expansion, a move that could add hundreds of jobs, new jobs to chattanooga. >> and from the "usa today" a federal agency is putting a stop to powdered alcohol. >> can you believe this? >> before it even hits the shelves. palcohol gained widespread attention. the product gained label approval earlier this month. >> i'm just wondering, what comes up with this idea and says what a great idea? >> willie and i often talked about how great would it be if you had a powdered version of alcohol. >> right, so alcoholics with walk around with it in our pocket? >> yes, so we can walk around with it in our pocket exactly. it can be mixed with water and the alcohol and tobacco tax and

trade bureau says the approvals were issued in error and are going to be revoked now. which i think is a sad, dark day for america. hbo announced it will revue the hit series "veep" for a fourth season. star julia louis dreyfuss who i think might be the most brilliant comedienne has won two emmys for her character, the vice president. check out "veep" it's really funny. >> willie geist, are you a "veep" fan? >> i love it. it gets better from season to season. she's incredible and the supporting cast as well. let's go to mike allen with a look at the playbook. mike, good morning. so the screaming headline on the top of politico right now is who is dr. ben carson. this is a guy who's very popular in some conservative circles.

he did well in the cpac straw poll. who is this guy and how wild a wild card is he? >> he's the wildest of wild cards and he's going to keep making news in the 2016 campaign field. like this is a field that's looking for a story line, looking for people to make news. the ben carson phenomenon i think started as an online fund-raising gambit. of course as we've seen on the show he first got noticed at the national prayer breakfast a year ago. his speech three million youtube views. there's now a super pac draft ben carson, which has raised $2 million. and it's starting to build a regional political structure. so this is a former neurosurgeon from baltimore who says he doesn't want to run, won't even say he's a republican, but he does say that more physicians like himself should be involved in politics and policy. and the grassroots just has

latched onto his story. >> as you say, he doesn't even identify with a political party. how serious a figure is he, i guess not within the republican party but within the conservative or libertarian movement? >> he's not serious in the long run, but in the short run we see these flashes, like we learned in 2012 that it can change again and again so his time will be brief. but the signs from this fund-raising, from the continued online appeal of him, from his willingness to build a national organization, he's going to last and be a story for some months now. >> politico's mike allen, thanks. up next, we're previewing the upshot. a new site that combines data journalism and explanatory reporting. keep it on "morning joe." know what the experts at your ford dealer think?

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specifically in a way to attract millennials. >> we noticed from all kinds of thing around the paper that there's a real demand for conversational plain spoken journalism that delves into topics. they want to learn about these topics and in a way that speaks their language. they want to dig into the data but in a way they can understand. for all sorts of reasons we saw a huge demand for this. we just pressed go on my way over here so it's live right now. >> we don't want anybody clicking out right now. but when we talk about the upshot, one of the things you point out, it's conversational and you want to have that back and forth but you're not trying to dumb anything down. >> no. >> how do you run that fine line? >> i think as journalists we want to dig really deeply into the details, into the data, but we don't want to show you all the details. you don't want to see all the details. you want us to tell you what really matters. then thanks to the web we can give you all kinds of lower links. if you want to check out the background data or details and

tell us you think we made a mistake, we invite that. >> so this is almost complete sausage making revelations? >> well, for those who want it, right, that's the idea. our sense is most people don't want it. for those who do -- we've done something no one has done. we've published all the code on the internet. anyone that wants to see what's behind the percentages, we invite you to do so. >> i have a question for you. your target is the millennial generation, this 18 to 30-year-old group which really gets into this stuff. how do you carve out this space in the face of 538 and fox and other internet-based data internet sites? >> so our target is 18 to 34 but also 35 to 85. i mean our sense is there's a very big demand in all age groups. i've seen it from the traditional "new york times" audience. i have a lot of respect for these other sites. my sense is there is greater

demand for this kind of highly substantive but conversational, understandable journalism than there is supply. so i think it's less important for any of these new sites to somehow distinguish themselves from the other ones. what i think is more important is do good work. if you do good work, if you're giving people information that they don't get elsewhere, you will succeed regardless of what goes on with other places. >> that's like what you've been doing, right? >> david, let's drill down and show everybody because the lead story is who will win the senate. if we show everybody what's going on and the interactive way that you're forecasting what's coming down the line, explain how it works. >> so as i said, you can go in and play with any of the background data you want. what we've done is taken polls, fund-raising data, political history, we've taken the characteristics of candidates. it's really interesting what offices people have held before seems to have an effect on their odds of winning. we've plugged it all in and come up with the odds of senate control. now here's what's really interesting. in the last few weeks, the kwingsal wisdom is that the

republicans are favored. in the last few weeks a whole series of polls have come out that have been modestly favorable to the democrats. the national generic ballot question has gone just a little bit the democrats way. there's been some polling in arkansas, to a lesser extent michigan, so we're basically 50-50. i would emphasize it's going to be a toss-up, a close race. >> when you calculate the margin of error, definitely makes it a toss-up. >> and i think some of the conventional wiz dsdom has gott ahead of the reality in starting to assume the republicans have this or are close to having this. >> one issue you must be facing culturally is enterprise journalism, which takes time, in a climate that demands constant new content. so how do you balance that? >> that's a great point. enterprise journalism is a big part of what we want to do. the second story is where we spent months digging into all this data on the middle class and found a data set people have

not surfaced that compares the middle class across countries and found to our surprise a disturbing finding, which is the american middle class is no longer the world's richest. so i think one of the ways you do what you're talking about, which is you do work no one else is doing, but you don't just publish one story which is how we would have done it in the old days. you publish the story and have follow-up conversations with your readers. and you don't -- after months of work, you don't just write one 1,000-word piece. you write that piece but then continue the discussion. >> so are there going to be surveys to figure out which game of thrones character are you? >> i don't think we'll have those stories but we'll have some fun. we'll look at what the worst restaurant city is in america. we've got some great stuff this week on baseball. >> david, great to have you. you can visit the upshot at new york times. still ahead, a preview of the day on wall street, business before the bell coming your way

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obviously the earnings parade continues here on wall street. >> sara, is it the taco bell breakfast that's taking a bite out of mcdonald's big profit? >> that's what investors are looking for. they made an aggressive move. >> the taco waffle has done. >> it we'll see how popular it is. mcdonald's has struggled to get the younger consumer. taco bell has owned that. we'll see if they can move into mcdonald's breakfast turf. definitely watch for that in the earnings today. also i've got to talk about pharma. we're talking about bill akman teaming up with valiant pharmaceuticals to make a play to buy allergan. allergan is a big dermatology and eye care company. they make botox and other drugs. this would be a $45.6 billion deal so it would be a really big one. no word yet. allergan is assessing it.

i want to mention glaxosmithkline, other big companies getting together, swapping some businesses and a few deals worth $20 billion. so there's a lot of focus on the pha rcht p pharma sector. they're trying to cut costs. >> ford, the ceo there making moves? >> yeah. looks like mark fields is going to be the next ceo of field. alan malaly could step down as early as july. that's a little earlier than expected. mark fields, veteran of the company, has been there since he was 36 years old, knows the business very, very well, so investors are enthusiastic about that. >> sara, great to see you. we look forward to hearing how the taco waffle is taking a bite out of mcdonald's. thank you, my dear. coming up next, jay fielden is standing by with the latest issue of "town & country" breaking down the 50 most powerful families in the world.

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who doesn't love wealth, power and intrigue? jay fielden is the editor of "town & country." the may issue focuses on the most powerful families. we go all around the globe and obviously domestically we have an interest on who's making this power list. as you scan the globe, what were

the qualifiers? >> we did a list last year. this is our second one. last year was the 50 most powerful families in america but this year we thought we'd look at the whole world. we looked at a list starting out with about 500 and cut that down to 50 with the idea that we'd look at power in a broadway. how people can change the world in a measurable way, so there was some amount of objectivity to this. there are perennials on the list, there's roth childs, windsors but there's a lot of really interesting discoveries on our part. for instance, the buckjohns in indyia, the kings of hollywood. the father has been in films. we looked at south america, africa, asia and, you know, we came up with a really fascinating list. >> and do these families, do they want this type of notoriety? or do they should know this type of notoriety?

>> you know, i think it's our job to look at the anthlopolaunlically. there are bushes, there are kennedys, there are old families that have been successful in perpetuating their dynasty for a very long time. probably the oldest is a scottish family that turns out to be the largest landowner isn't? scotland, more than the queen. they're related to walter scott. there's, you know, at the same time we were kind of laughing about the winesteins being on there. i don't think that they don't deserve it but they're a much younger dynasty and i think they're a dynasty of two brothers who have done a remarkable thing in hollywood. so we try to see it from all angles, from all disciplines, from the art world to society to politics to old money.

>> let's talk about who exactly makes the list. >> yeah. >> because for culture and stylewise you bring up harvey weinstein. you've got paul and stella mccartney on the list. that's father and daughter. so you're looking at the branch extension of what families have been able to do. as you pointing out harvey and his brother. francois, the ceo of caring. i always put the emphasis on the wrong sillab asyllable. >> the they have also made their mark much greater than that. they are art collectors. the arnot family is opening up an art collection outside of

paris. the p if tinots are also. we also looked at somebody like grace kelly's family, both branches of that family so we often talk about the monogast family but there's also her philadelphia family that in a way has been overshadowed for a long time. we have a big piece in this about the family in philadelphia and the new generation of kellys that is coming out of there, specifically her great grandniece who's becoming an actress herself and is of course stunning, as you would expect. >> you find it interesting, you talk about new generation. you've got beyonce and jay z on the list. >> yes. >> from an african-american community perspective, that's a pretty big deal to be on this kind of a list. >> yes. >> generationally speaking. how do you see this sort of playing out? is this like one-hit wonder? i'm on the list this year and next yore maybe not so much? >> sustainability.

>> yeah. for certain of these folks -- >> yes. >> -- who are sort of the -- how do you see this playing out for the groups and families that are just beginning to emerge? >> i'll be fascinated to watch. i think beyonce and jay z have already achieved so much, i don't know how they could ever erase that. just recently two number one albums. he started his own agency. >> but is the branching out into other things besides the music industry and entertainment industry into clothing, into wines -- >> i think that makes it all the more interesting that you can be successful in all those different things. we know people can become good at one thing but it's always more fascinating when you've got somebody that's a renaissance character, a multiple talents who can take one ability and skill set and apply it to many others. so you have a bunch of examples of that in this and i think

that's what makes it so fascinating. >> it's a fascinating collection of people around the world and we all love wealth, power and intrigue. we'll check out the latest issue of "town & country." up next, what, if anything, did we learn today? why relocating manufacturingpany to upstate new york? i tell people it's for the climate. the conditions in new york state are great for business. new york is ranked #2 in the nation for new private sector job creation. and now it's even better because they've introduced

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if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around, it's time for luke and "the daily rundown." thank you for your patience. good-bye. planetary politics. it's earth kay and the keystone clash embodies all the attention between our energy needs and environmental efforts. we'll talk about that and much more with a rare interview with the president's energy secretary. as vice president biden puts the finishing touches on some in-person pressure on putin in ukraine, we'll talk to the top republican who is literally just landing from a visit to the country's unsteady eastern border. back in washington, all eyes on the supreme court for a case about an ohio congressman who said political ads shouldn't be able to lie. how about that. good morning from washington, it is tuesday, april 22nd, 2014. i'm luke russert in for the great chuck todd who's on his way to asia for the president's trip. right now vice president joe biden is wrapping up a trip