state this hour to offer his support to struggling residents. i'm krystal ball, and we are traveling with the president as he begins a critical trip that spans far beyond our borders. a big decision on affirmative action is leaving some heads spinning this afternoon. breaking news. elizabeth warren is not running for president. well, not yet anyway. she is out with the new book. we will dig into it with someone who knows a thing or two about a woman in the white house. >> cycling out of control. the deadliest catch returns for a killer tenth season. in true cycle fashion, cable's hottest show gets hooked like a fish hook on washington. >> thank you for clearing that up.

>>. is he off to asia for a long delayed four-nation tour. malaysia, the philippines, japan, and south korea. it's part of his pivot to asia, but china is not on the list of stops. in fact, each of the nations on his eight-day visit have all had territorial disputes with china, and these key pacific allies are closely watching the situation in ukraine. if russia is able to redraw ukraine's map, that is making china's neighbors very, very skittish. nbc's kelly o'donnell starts us off from the white house and, kelly, this trip seems to be really focused more on reassuring jittery allies that be really any large policy pronouncement. >> this was supposed to have happened last october, but if you remember well, had that government shutdown that crippled washington and it was decided then it wasn't an appropriate time for the president to travel half a world away.

these trips are massive in the planning. everything that's involved both for the host countries and certainly the whole apparatus of the presidency, so rescheduling it is not an easy thing to do. these are key allies for countries in asia that do have at times very tense relationships with china at a time when the u.s. is always trying to recalibrate its own at times difficult and complicated relationship with china. so the stop that the president is making begins in japan. he will also be in the philippines and malaysia and south korea, and there is a lot to talk about. the president can certainly have interactions with china itself at some of the big summits, but these are important personal visits where the president can have these one-on-one meetings with key leaders to be seen in the region and there are concerns about its potential for creating some instability in that part of the world. these are important opportunities for the white

house to get its message across and for the president to be seen in that part of of the world and then, of course, as you know, in such a long distance to go they've also been able to work in an important stop in washington state before he actually crosses the ocean landing in tokyo later. >> the president is landing in washington state later this hour, and the situation now there is really still devastating. >> hard to imagine it's been a month since the mudslide. the enormity is so incredible, and part of what the president can do here is fly over the region, be able to see it now that the peak of the crisis has subsided to get a sense of what it was like on the ground and then also meet personally with families of those who have been affected and first responders. earlier on the white house and the president was able to declare it a federal disaster that opens up the opportunity for some federal dollars, but this is a chance for the president to more personally see

what has been going on. that does carry loofr weight when a community has been so badly devastated. more than three dozen people killed, homes destroyed, the economic cost is really hard to even put a cap on because they're still doing recovery work there at the scene. the president will make remarks later today about almost 7:00 p.m. eastern time. that's a long trip to get from this washington to that washington. >> we want to now dig deeper into the president's asia tour, and for that let's bring in robert kaplan, chief geopolitical analyst at strategyfor, and author of the acclaimed book "asia's cauldron, the south china sea and the end of a stable." it's a book that got a phenomenal review from the "new york times" book review. congratulations on that accident robert. >> congratulations.

>> thank you. >> we're going to talk about the -- i wanted to start with some of the economic policies that the president may be discussing in japan in particular. a free trade deal has come under a lot of scrutiny in the u.s. democrats and some republicans concerned about a lack of transparency. democrats concerned that the deal may exacerbate environmental and inequality problems. what does that conversation look like? >> this is a case where domestic politics interchz with domestic realities. it's all about trade and business. from the asian perspective, the

united states is more likely to come to their defense against china if the united states and the asian countries are more tied in together with trade. in other words, from trade interests come military and defense interests. if the united states is not increasingly hooked into asia with defense, the united states is less likely to come to the aid of allies like japan, south korea, and so on. >> and robert, when president obama first came into office, he actually called himself america's first pacific president. the expectations with asia were quite high, but i have to say

his role so far in this pivot to asia has -- trips have been canceled and the -- i feel like they've been missed. how much catching up does he have to do to prove his interest in this region? >> there's really two chapters to the pivot to asia. the fist was the first obama administration when hillary clinton was secretary of state, and the second is in the second obama administration with john kerry at foggy bottom. when hillary clinton was secretary of state, i believe she made more trips to asia than any previous american secretary of state in modern history since henry kissinger. she showed by where she chose to go that the pivot to asia was real, that the u.s. was diplomatically engaged, and she was also making the point that the obama administration was not

going to negligent asia the way allegedly the younger bush administration did by getting distracted with wars in afghanistan and iraq. there was a political angle to it too, and the constand to-ing and froing of secretary clinton, that reinforced the notion in az wra that finally the united states is no longer distracted in the middle east. it's going to concentrate on the region. this has gone into abayance in the second term where secretary kerry has been tied up with negotiations with iran, with israel, palestine, and the asians say here we go again. another american administration that's distracted in the middle east, distracted elsewhere, even though two of the three world's largest economies are in asia and asia is the geographical center of the global economy.

>> a lot of it is based on spillover. it affects how he is treated in russia, ukraine. does any of that, do you think, apply in asia and how valid is that critique? >> it applies greatly because, you know, with geography made smaller because of technology, the world is more claustrophobic, and each area interacts with every other area like never before. the japanese, for instance, see the united states giving rhetorical support for ukraine, but giving only $50 million in aid at the end of the day they may only send a company of troops to poland which is 150 men, which is a joke essentially, and the japanese say if the u.s. can cave on ukraine, maybe they'll cave on the senkaku islands in the east china sea, which japan is

contesting with china. so if the u.s. looks weaker or less resolved in one part of the world, people in another part of the world in this case asia, begin to doubt our resolve. we're back to the same narrative of the asians doubting our resolve. >> what is china's perspective on russia's ukrainian adventure? do you they think it makes us nervous or perhaps does it make them a little more hopeful given their problems with their neighbors or a little of both? >> the chinese are trying to play the russians. they're going to be a bigger customer for the natural gas. they're flooding the central asian states with cash with building pipelines. they're real competitors with the russians, but they're also watching to see how the u.s. behaves in ukraine because china has tended to see the asian

pivot, obama's pivot, as really polite words for containing china. with japan, south korea, malaise yashg and the philippines all have in common, these are all the destinations of the president's trip this week. they all have territorial disputes with china, and they are all depending on the united states to preserve a balance of power against china, which adds up to containment in less polite language. the chinese are both playing the russians and at the same time watching how the u.s. behaviors with the russians to gauge to see how strong the u.s. may try to contain china in east asia. >> up next, the book that has turned me, torre, and our friend dr. jay over at bloomberg and the speed readers on his iphone there. elizabeth warren's new autobiography is out today, and

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years before the banking crisis of 2008 there was a growing bankruptcy crisis, many people said. people declared bankruptcy because they had been dumb with their money, but one law professor in texas dug into the data and found that most families in need of protection from their debt were hard-working folks who had encountered either job loss or medical problems or divorce. that professor began fighting to help families who needed help and that fight led her to the u.s. senate. her name is elizabeth warren, and she tells that story in her

inspiring new book, a fighting chance, which seems like a pre-presidential campaign book, but warren is absolutely positively not running for president. until she is. elizabeth warren strikes me as a fundamentally different sort of politician. she's fighting for the people. she's not swayed by the money interests. referring to her conversation with larry summers, who is now infamous, she achieved that reputation as an outsider. can she maintain it as she becomes more and more and more of an insider? >> i think that's a challenge for her. we see it in this book. it's got pretty nice treatment of her fellow democrats in the senate. some sanitation of the record, if you will, a little bit on some of the her colleagues, including hillary clinton, in her last book she attacked hillary clinton for voting for a bankruptcy bill in the senate. in this book she praises clinton for opposing it when she was first lady.

so i think this is a test for elizabeth warren. i think she's still got that outside credibility right now. i think a lot of people on the left would like to see her run for president. even if she doesn't do that, i think they would like to see her take an increasingly large role in the united states senate. >> indeed. >> i'm sorry? >> i said indeed. >> that was krystal. i'm a little bit of a fan. go ahead. >> are you running for president yourself now that i'm qualified to talk about anyone who -- >> i am not, even though people are obviously clambering for me to run. i have not yet met the constitutionally mandated age. sorry to disappoint you, jonathan. s one thing that you are sort of touching on here is elizabeth warren even if she had doubts about going up against hillary clinton in a primary and being able to ultimately win, isn't there a case to be made that just by being in that primary, she would have an opportunity to push the issues that she really cares about and has been fighting for for quite a long time now, things like fairness for the middle class and dealing

with inequality and holding big banks accountable. wouldn't she be in a good position to sort of push the conversation on that through a presidential primary? >> that's a great fundamental question for somebody like elizabeth warren who has such a big following. she -- let's say she wouldn't win a primary, just to stipulate late, to answer your question. is she better off pushing healthing hillary rodham clinton to the center or another candidate to the center, to build her own constituency for power later on, or is she better off cozying up to whoever the democratic nominee is perhaps by writing a book that's flattering about them in the places where it is. you know, that's an important question, and it gets to that. larry summers insider-outsider question. >> it's also possible that in addition to whatever calculation she's writing a book about a bunk of ideas that she's worked on for a good chunk of her life, and, you know, bankruptcy was mentioned. i just want to put up two stats she talks about in the book that she worked on earlier in her

studies. by 2001 more children would have a parent on pace to go mroou through bankruptcy or divorce. more women would file for bankruptcy than graduate from college. she points to those kind of figures to paint a very different picture than what our politics and a lot of our society think that when we think of economic hardship or bankruptcy. we think of it as something small happening to a few other people. she argues it's a complete middle class failure, and that's a consequence of the way our bankruptcy laws have been written primarily by financial institutions. >> well, i think, you know, one of the things we failed to do as a society in general is look enough at economic data and essential even when we're looking at economic data, to make judgments based on where the data lead us, rather than using the data to support the arguments that we already believe in, which is basically what we generally see on capitol hill and what we see from administrations in both parties, that there tends to be a desire to use statistics to buttress an

argument, rather than look where the statistics naturally lead you. i think, you know, obviously senator warren has done a lot of work with data in the past. i'm not as familiar with some of those earlier books that she's written, but i'm certainly -- you know, i'm open to the idea that we need to re-examine how we cast these problems in our society based on data. >> yeah. just to clarify, i am not running for president, although krystal and i might form a bipartisan ticket one day. who knows? let's talk about a woman you know a thing or two about, hillary clinton. you recently made the point that she has already started running. i don't think we're ready to put up a breaking news banner quite yet. >> why not? >> but there was a piece recently in the wall street journal that i think hits at the heart of why there are some frustrated democrats, especially those thinking about running. it was titled hillary clinton agency phantom presence in 2016 campaign freezes other democrats. one democratic donor said that she's gladys knight and all the rest of them are pips.

that's an interesting way to word it. i don't know if it's too far off from the truth, but this does create a real problem, though, for donors and for potential candidates that are really thinking about throwing their hat into the ring. especially in these critical early stages of raising money. >> it's a real problem for everybody but hillary clinton. right now she's essentially campaigning for president. she's got super pacts doing her work for her, ready for hillary, an organization that's creating donor and voter contact lists. she gets to basically take the position that she's not running while still traveling around the country giving paid speeches. we're probably going to see a book tour after her book was released in june basically trying to stay above the fray in terms of partisan politics while the campaign machine moves along. this is really a new development in politics. i don't think we've seen anybody who has been able to do it in quite this fashion. ausz poin out, she's running until she stops. the opposite of what was said about elizabeth warren. she's not running until she is. >> hmm.

>> hillary clinton, leaving on a midnight train to georgia. jonathan allen, thank you very much. >> howard dean would add in a few more states at the end of that and maybe a little scream. >> thank you. >> yee haw, my friend. >> we're going to spin on that big decision out of the supreme court today in just a moment. they are holding a ban on affirmative action in michigan. oh, i got a lot to say about this. well, between laundry pacs? detergent, stain remover and brightener, the average house-hold spends 47 cents a load on laundry. but with tide pods,

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>> it's time to get you caught up in the news cycle. funerals are being held for some of the young victims off the south korean coast in the ferry crash. parents of teens who romaine missing are denouncing the government's response to the disaster. nearly 300 of those on board were killed and will remain missing. meanwhile, college graduation season is upon us, and for the first time in years the job picture is looking a bit brighter. the unemployment rate for graduates is 10.9%. that is higher than the national average, but down from more than 13% at the start of the great

recession. >> and spring has finally arrived. albeit, more than a little bit late. the temperatures remain near to slightly above average throughout much of the eastern two-thirds of the country. it's been a bit stormy out west, and that moisture is continuing to move east. >> if the weather does not put you in a good mood, maybe you should move to chicago. the windy city is the funniest city in america, according to some news study by the university of colorado. researchers took a number of factors under consideration, including the number of comedy clubs and the number of native comedians. they have robin williams and the great bill murray. even the number of funny tweets coming out of the city. boston, atlanta, d.c., and portland rounded out the top five. new york was only number six. wait. what? i immediate to read that one. >> thanks. bringing us more on funny cities whenever you have it. we do want to turn now to a supreme court ruling on affirmative action that was just out today. the court ruled that while affirmative action is still constitutional, voters can also ban it in public colleges

through a state referendum if they want to. the court ruled that michigan voters were simply exercising their privilege to enact laws themselves when they passed a 2006 proposition against affirmative action. the decision was 6-2 with democratic appointee steven briar joining the conservative block of -- it doesn't change the status quo on affirmative action. it certainly strengthens the hand of conservatives who want to take the case against affirmative action directly to the voters. let's spin. >> i obviously am a big supporter of affirmative action in two ways. i think it is good for people who get a chance through a diversity program to get a job or go to school. i also think it's really good for institutions themselves to make sure that they have diversity. when you look at this ruling, what it's basically saying is what kwfsh dz if michigan, which is go to the voters and say, hey, let's ban this, forget the fact that politicians in your state are supporting it, let's find a way to ban it directly through initiatives, that's fine. that's okay.

that's what the court is saying. i think the fact that that went to the court also opens up a wrauder window into this debate, which is there's a lot of controversial policies and how we give out awards, how we give out benefits going to a good school as a type of benefit. there are usually more applicants than there are spots. i get that for some people affirmative action itself is very controversial. there has been such a coordinated conservative effort explicitly to try to delegitimatize this program over others. that's why we even had this case today. if you look at something like legacy admissions where people are more likely to get into a school, including a lot of public schools because their parents or grandparents went there, right, that strikes me as totally off base. that in many places is a de facto grandfather clause. if you go back to who our grandparents were and who got in, it was not diverse or fair at all. you're creating an echo of that nonmaritocracy. there are not the same challenges or well funded campaigns to go at those things.

that's why to this day in 2014 after the court has twice upheld affirmative action, we're still having these cases. >> then leg whys a you talked about affirmative action. for white people. if we are talking about the broader affirmative action debate, there's a very distasteful sense to me. we quite often have some white people saying that they have in schools and in jobs they are losing positions that they deserve, that belong to them, to unqualified black people, the black people always unwallfied and the white people are always in their mind more qualified than the black people. these jobs were not yours. they're not yours, right? they don't wlonk to you. you don't have them as a birth rite. the sense among some white people that race or racism is this zero sum game, that white americans are losing is rather distasteful, it's a misunderstanding of race in america. it's a misunderstanding of the value of diversity.

>> you know, regardless of how you feel about the ruling today, i do believe this is an important debate that we should be having as a country, and i think we should be striving to live in a world where we no longer need affirmative action and justice o'connor said something back in 2003 michigan law school affirmative action case that i think is still just as important today. she said we expect that 25 years from now the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary to further the interest approved today. basically implying that affirmative action should not be allowed permanent status, and that begs the question, you know, what needs to be done for us to get to that point where it is no longer needed? is it 25 years? is it 50 years? is it less than that? these are questions that are important to ask. >> this court seems to have taken the position that racism is over. that we no longer need these protects and you saw that most clearly i think in their decision dismantling an important part of the voting rights act. pro public has been doing great

reporting on the way things can slide backwards when you no longer have the core protections. they looked at school systems in the south, but in particularly in tuscaloosa, mississippi, where desegregation orders have been lifted in a lot of places, and they found that the number of what they call apartheid schools, schools where the white population is 1% or less, have risen dramatically from 2,762 in 1988 to 6,727 in 2011, and as schools have resegregated, we have seen the gap between white achievement and black achievement, which was narrowing once again widened. while i would love to be there, i think the facts speak to the reality that we're not. john roberts is saying in his opinions and in implication that racism is over, and, yet, there's so much data that really points in the other direction. up next, we have a different legal dispute of a different

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there is a real life drama playing out in silicone valley that involves four of the largest tech companies. accusations of secret collusion, explosive ceo emails, a mysterious death, and billions of dollars at stake. it's a script of hbo show "silicone valley" could only dream on friday. apple, google, intel, and adobe are scheduled to go to court over a class action lawsuit filed by over 64,000 software engineers. it accuses the tech giants of engaging in a sophisticated scheme in which the ceos agreed not to actively recruit each

other's employees. a plan allegedly coordinated and enforced by late apple ceo steve jobs. according to the plaintiffs, the agreement lowered competition and suppressed their wage potential. $3 billion in lost wages, it claims. here in court documents an e-mail from google co-founder sergei brig alerts other google execs to an angry phone call from jobs where he warned if you hire a single one of these people -- or that it's guilty of any violations. adobe had no comment while the litigation is pending, and we did not hear back from google or apple. back with us to try and make sense of the case and how it fits in a large are debate in america. we have susan ox, senior fellow at the aspen institute and former obama treasury senior advisor. always great to have you. >> thanks for having me. >> i think one of the things that strikes people about this case is these are companies that have a real halo in american thought.

i mean, there might be some people who have some gripes with things that they have done, but we don't usually think of them in the category of, like, wall street banks and the types of abuses that we think they may be engaging in. >> what i find so fascinating about this case is this is exactly the last place in corporate america you would expect to see this kind of behavior. >> right. >> it's partly because these companies and google's corporate motto is don't be evil, but also because of the workers and who they are. these are highly educated, high skilled, in high demand, high wage earners. if anybody has a chance at sort of shifting the power between workers and corporations, this is the worker pool, and if they're getting screwed by their companies, like what hope does anybody else have against corporate america? >> exactly. >> well, that's exactly the point. if they are so strong, then you would think businesses would say in leadership, we have to neutralize them, and it's not just sort of 64,000 programmers in silicon valley. their wage levels are

interconnected throughout the economy, so if these folks have their wages artificially subpoena pressed, then it affects other people. >> that's exactly right. the implications for this case in terms of how we think more broadly about corporate america and what's happening are really profound, and let's be clear. this is completely illegal activity, right? this isn't sort of a gray area. you know, this is truly collusion. that this has been outlawed for 100 years. companies are denying it, but word is that they're going to be settling this case because they know it's a problem. $3 billion for $ 65,000 people actually doesn't wind up to that much per person, but it sends a much larger message about what are these companies doing and how are they behaving and what do they think they can get away with? going and apple think they can get away with a lot of stuff. >> talk more about the settlement. as you were saying, these companies feel like they did nothing wrong. they did nothing illegal, but it seems like a settlement could very well be a likely outcome here. >> yes, i do think so. that's all the indications that

are moving towards the settlement. the justice department did investigate this several years ago, and allegedly the civil suit came out of the criminal investigation. now, the criminal investigation didn't go anywhere. we know that there's a different standard between civil cases and criminal cases, so it may be that they felt like they couldn't prove it. there was some talk that they approached the companies and the companies say, oh, okay, we'll back off and behave now, and everything kind of went away. again, we sort of feel like that's not really the way we want the justice department behaving, right? we want them pursuing these cases aggressively because we want to send a message. if this is the cream of the crop of the workers and this is the cream of the crop of the companies, we want that message being sent that this is not behavior we're going to tolerate anywhere. >> right. well, and i think perhaps part of the decision to come to settlement may also be -- with apple in particular -- has expressed concerns about these sort of dirty laundry that could be aired in a trial in particular. they have expressed. they really want to protect the reputation of steve jobs here. >> yes. if you look at some of the

e-mail traffic, it does not make him look sympathetic at all. again, whatever halo is there, when you start seeing things like this means war, you know, we're going to come after your people if you come after ours, you know, those are the kinds of things that if it winds up in a jury, nobody is going to look sympathetic here, and they certainly don't want that. >> we don't know for certain what these companies have or have not done. putting them aside, do you think that there's lots of employers and lots of industries that are colluding to depression wages of certain workers? >> there has been talk. these are cases that are hard to prove because you do need that spoke smoking gun e-mail. there has been talk among the service industries and lower income workers in fast food and other kinds of retail establishments that there have been kind of a wink and a nudge conversations, maybe not quite as explicit as these, that oh, no, don't -- if you start raising, then we're going to start raising, and burger king versus mcdonald's kind of a thing. nobody can prove these things, but there are -- there are always whispers out and about in

corporate america. >> it seems a lot easier to do to lower skilled workers who are less specialized than sort of folks who have a much better, much stronger skill set that they're bringing to work. >> no, that's right. what i found fascinating about this case, actually, is that facebook was approached to kind of join here, allegedly, and they said no. they said, nope, we're not going to play that game. whether that's a credit specifically to cheryl sandberg, but i know that she took several -- this is public record. she brought several google executives over with her to facebook. >> it kind of doesn't work if one company is, like, we're not going to play along, right? >> well, i guess it did work in this case. i think you said it so well that if these companies and these individuals who are highly skilled and educated and have some power are being abused in this way, you can only imagine what it is like for people at the lower end of the spectrum. great stuff, as always. >> thanks for having me. >> up next, baton down the hatches. captain keith coal burn is here to give a sneak peek of the tenth season of deadliest catch,

and it's a wild ride. >> wow. >> 1 es

. >> the hit series deadliest catch is back for its tenth season. this year the crews have more to contend with than treacherous weather and rival boats. government gridlock gets in the way. >> i've been finshing for 28 years. >> captain keith colburn prepares for a last ditch effort to save the season. >> i'm really nervous this time. i'm getting ready to go in front of the united states senate to get them to open up my fishery and get the government to end this madness. >> captain keith colburn who commands the wizard joins us at the table now in his testimony before the senate and the government shutdown. our central to early episodes before the fleet can even get into the water and catch crabs. i mean, it seems crazy that

testifying before congress would actually be part of a fishing show. >> we didn't expect it. i didn't expect it. >> unplanned. >> wait. so you weren't behind the shutdown is what you are saying? >> i had nothing to do with it. i think i might have helped incrementally a tiny bit to help get it open. >> good. >> how challenging was that to deal with government? it seemed like you had to wait quite a while to even get going. >> ultimately it only ended up being about a week, but we measure our season in about three to four weeks. we have to have our crab on the market by the middle of november, and if we don't get it there, then we're going to lose a very lucrative chunk of our market, which is the holiday market in japan. it condensed our season and forced us into actually, you know, a lot smaller window, which means we're fishing in worse weather. >> a lot bigger competition as well. >> oh, yeah. so it was pretty much game on. >> when you got that smaller window, it's a lot more pressure when you are out there on the boat. >> yeah. no, without question. it was interesting, you know.

what was really crazy is everybody said who shut down, who is not working? washington d.c. was shut down because i had been back there a number of times. there was, like, the halls were like a ghost town. >> yeah. >> it was really kind of erie. >> that is wild. i think we have a clip from this latest season. let's take a look. >> come, on baby. show us the life. show us some life. >> jackpot! >> great moment right there. you have been crabbing for a long time before the tv cameras showed up. >> yeah. >> did you come up with the idea? did they approach you? how did this happen? has it changed what you do? >> they approached us. literally they were looking for families, which you see a big part of on the show today. >> yeah. >> and my brother and i each had

separate boats at the time, and agreed to do it, but the owners of the boat said no way. no way we're going to have those liabilities of having cameras on the boat, extra people on the boat. >> right. >> we don't want any part of it. within a couple of years i ended up buying the boat and they kept coming back saying you want to do it, and i said sure, and eight years later, ten years into the show, we're still going strong. >> wait. sorry. why were you happy to have the cameras on the boat with you? >> well, one, i wanted my kids to see what i do, right? it's a way to document what i do, because i had very little imagery of myself doing the job. if there's five boats that people think exist on the planet, i might be one of five, and that might not be a bad idea down the road. >> kids are a big part of the season. you have 18-year-old mandy hanson, a woman, who is now trying to dominate this mainly male dominated world. i mean, that's got to put a lot of pressure on her. would you ever let your daughter

go through this? >> you know, i don't know. that's a tough call. i would rather say no. i mean, we're swinging 800 pound objects around. the guys are running 40, 50 pounds of bait up and down the deck 18, 20 objects around. it's brute force job. but mandy i think gave an ultimate mum ultimatum. she said i want to see if i can do what my family's been doing for generations and if you don't take me, i'm going on get xwogoe another boat. and he said i'm not letting you on another boat. so, yeah. >> hand thand this is not the f time you've testified before congress. what has that been like? >> i've been going to d.c. for a number of years working on fishery, safety, anything around the water. not only alaska, but other places. i testified in the 20th

anniversary of the valdez oil spill. and, you know, i've kind of put my foot in the door. a lot of people position they asked for me to go through discovery. it was actually through the senate from the state of alaska called me directly and said do you want to come back and i said absolutely. of course everybody went about a has tick and said don't go because everyone is like, no, we don't want you to say this or this. everybody has to get their two cents in. at the end of the day, you're sitting there with a microphone and committee and you're on your own. >> is the treatment a bit different now that you're famous on tv? >> you know, i would say so. but even before i was on tv, i can tell you like the first year i was on tv, i did an interview with senator from alaska and se was very accommodating. everybody thinks washington, d.c. is completely gridlocked.

and it is. but they're also willing to listen. at least the senators and congressmen that i've worked with. >> they're probably huge fans of the show. >> a little bit of that but also being i think they're fans of their industries. >> and this is extraordinarily dangerous when you're out on the boat. one of the clips showed somebody pulling up a crab, the crab is biting on to him. they can't damage the crab because the crab is so valuable. talk about how dangerous it is being out there. >> the crab bite is the least of your worries. but something you don't want to experience. >> what is the biggest concern? >> everything. cap sizing the boat, overloading the boat, ice, weather. we're dealing with severe weather every year.sizing the b the boat, ice, weather. we're dealing with severe weather every year. we don't get any breaks up there. >> and why we love the show so

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we know about because of pulitzer prize reporting. chris revealed that had coal mining companies and their lawyers have systemically hidden evidence of disease in order to deny miners like steve the roughly 1,000 bucks a month that would help them live and treat their black lung. steve's story is one agreed by the lawyers and doctors, but it's also about power. coal companies with their money, political contributions and lawyers have all the power. the miners who work deep underground breathing in a toxic mix just to be able to provide for their families in a region where. >> jobgood jobs, any jobs at al are scarce. they have no power. and steve day shouldn't have black lung at all.they have no . and steve day shouldn't have black lung at all.are scarce. they have no power. and steve day shouldn't have black lung at all. it should be a thing of the past. respirators, improved ventilation and water sprays can be used to cut the amount of dust in the air. the 1969 mine act was supposed

to eradicate black lung. it requires that miners be able to work the entire period of their working life without suffering, quote, material impairment of health or functional capacity. and in fact the mine act did make a huge difference. for a time anyway. but after the upper big branch mine disaster four years ago, autopsies on the miners who perished revealed what was not supposed to exist. 70% of the miners including some as young as in their 30s have a deadly and easily preventible disease. lax enforcement and rampant cheating led to black lung coming back with a vengeance. the labor department has long recognized that the system needs to change. a report in 1995 recommended the acceptable level be reduced would i half. that was nearly 20 years ago. in the meantime, coal companies have worked with their allies in congress to keep the rules from changing.

and keep coal dust at its current deadly levels. until now that is. despite big coal's resistance and attempts by members of congress whose campaign coffers are filled by big coal, tomorrow in morgantown, west virginia, the obama labor department will finally announce long overdue new rules which will help safe guard miners. they're expected to close loopholes that make enforcement difficult and to cut in half the allowable amount of coal dust. think about this, though. for 20 years, the coal companies and their friends in congress have blocked change and sentenced more coal miners to a painful preventible death. for 20 years, they have used rhetoric about economic freedom and free markets and war on coal and deregulation to keep enforcement lax and deadly. next time you hear someone talking about job killing regulation, you tell them what deregulation means to steve day. tell them that for steve day, deregular deregulation, for an

entire region that dragged toxic water. i thank god for the obama administration's willingness to teethen regulation and stand up to the coal companies. for steve day, black lung may be the executioner, but deregulation is the death deny sense. that does it for the cycle. republican governors looking to run in 2016, run into trouble instead. it is tuesday, april 22, and this is now. >> say you're part of the gop donor establishment. 2016 looks kind of grim. >> new jersey governor chris christie has been named father of the year. >> that's good. >> there is a very real possibility he could be on the stand at some point. >>