comprehensive gun bill in recent state history and that some are calling part of a re-election strategy for georgia's republican governor. it will allow guns in airport n churches, in bars and of course silencers for hunting. is this the future for our already gun saturated culture or a case of second amendment overreach? later in the hour the latest round of subpoenas in the bridgegate controversy and that means more heat on chris christie in a scandal he can't get away from. we'll talk western states and keystone with former montana governor brian schweikert. but we start in georgia where hours ago the state's governor signed the country's most extreme gun bill into law. it's pretty tough record to break and yet that's exactly what nathan diehl did. at a campaign event, that's important in this story, governor diehl explained how the new law would protect his fellow

georgians from unnamed threats. he asked why the state capitol building is excluded in the bill but courthouses are not. >> is it consistent to allow guns in the county courthouses and not allow them in the capitol? >> well the county courthouses have the right to exclude them as well, if they have metal detectors there, which increasingly more county courthouses do have that. >> so more county courthouses are opting out of the provisions of the bill. i wonder why they'd want to do that. the bill doesn't go into effect until july 1st but when it does, look sharp because you'll be able to find guns in bars, some government buildings, non-secure areas of airports, potentially some churches and of course schools. which is where the story really begins. not in georgia schools but in newtown, and the backlash against sensible gun reforms in the wake of the massacre of 26 children and their teachers. in georgia like many other states gun sales soared after sandy hook because you know, president obama was coming in

the black helicopter to take your guns. there even appeared to be a reference by one of the speakers at the georgia bill signing today to the oft misinterpreted comment in the obama made during the 2008 campaign. >> yes t is a community where we cling to religion and guns. >> on the one-year anniversary of the newtown tragedy the "new york times" found that the vast majority of new gun laws enacted expanded gun rights. states from alabama to kansas to illinois loosened open and concealed carry laws and now as if loose gun laws are a game of one-up georgia is going on record as the gun state to move them all. has it crested or is there more to come? gabe gutierrez is in georgia. give us a little bit more detail about this law. >> reporter: hi there, joy. as you mentioned this gun bill signing ceremony wrapped up a

short time ago. several hundred supporters here and the bill's supporters insist this bill is not extreme. they stress in their view that this is a bill for law-abiding georgians and it restores the second amendment and protects the second amendment. now, this law will allow licensed gun owners in the state to carry their weapons into many more places. for one, bars. before this new law, gun owners could not bring their firearms into a bar unless the bar owner specifically allowed it. this new law reverses that emphasis and you can now bring your gun into a bar unless the bar owner specifically forbids it. the other major part of this bill is chuchrches. before it was illegal to bring a firearm into a place of worship in georgia. church leaders can decide whether to allow congregations to bring guns into churches. as for schools, school boards can vote and appoint certain staffers with certain restrictions to carry weapons

into search. another change airports. if you accidentally bring your weapon, assuming you have a permit, if you bring your weapon to airport security and you're notified, you can simply pick up your gun and leave and not face any criminal penalties. when it comes to government buildings, georgians with a permit can bring their weapons to unsecured government buildings. that means buildings that don't have security checkpoints. this has drawn a lot of attention not just here in georgia but across the country, and really internationally and as you mentioned now that the governor signed it, it takes effect july 1st. joy, back to you. >> gabe, one more question. there's a stand your ground enhancement in the law. can you explain that a little bit? >> reporter: right. the implications about stand your ground are actually still being debated among people on both sides of the issues. the critics of this bill insist this expands stand your ground when it comes to felons. they cite a senate research council analysis in georgia that basically says this much but

those supporters of the bill argue that that analysis misinterpreted the bill that there's nothing new in this bill when it comes to extending stand your ground defense to felons that felons as they could before, they can ask for that immunity but ultimately it will be up to a judge in a hearing before trial to decide if that stand your ground defense applies to criminals, and if they had a gun illegally, then the judge would not allow that immunity to stand before trial. but both sides of the issues are passionate about this and it is yet to be seen how some of these provisions will work out in reality. joy, back to you. >> thanks very much, nbc's gabe gutierrez, appreciate it. goldie taylor is a columnist and msnbc contributor and importantly a resident of the great state of georgia. so goldie, your state now is the proud owner of what a lot of people are considering the most extreme gun bill in america. how are people reacting to this major expansion of gun rights on

the ground? >> it remains to be seen how the broader population will respond after this is enacted as of july 1st. adz indicates on the side and against the issue are passionate this expands gun carry rights in georgia beyond what people believe is reasonable. i think to say that this really changes the fiduciary duty, the duty of care from government to individuals is hyperlocalizing the issue, allows school boards to make decisions they couldn't make before, puts the onus on bar owners and church leaders. who is going to check the carry permits if i walk into church with my gun saddled to my side. who questions me? certainly a law enforcement officer can't question me unless i've given due cause. that's spelled out in the law. i think that we are on the front edge of something here that's pretty scary to me. five years ago we watched this as florida passed stand your ground taken quickly escalated in the past in so many states.

i'd hate to see a day when this kind of legislation was used as a template in states across this country to manage gun carry rights. >> there's no reason to think it wouldn't. the nra is looking at the this low. they never look at a fibbishing but a starting point. you mentioned churches. that struck a lot of people the most this idea of carrying in churches. the pastor of the ebenezer baptist church, dr. king or dr. king famously preached in and was memorialized, the reverend was on earlier with ronan farrow and he responded to that piece of the provision in the georgia gun law. i want you to take a listen and respond. >> we have felt this in a particular way at ebenezer baptist church, people know that dr. king of course was a victim of gun violence but so was his mother in 1974, while she was playing and singing "the recolo prayer" in our sanctuary. tragically a young man who

needed mental health care had access to a gun but not mental health care came into our church and killed her and one of our deacons. >> the idea that churches were included in a bill like this, when you hear that reaction from the pastor of ebenezer baptist church, goldie, what do you think? >> i had an opportunity to have a word with dr. warnick after his segment today. both of us have real concerns about what could unfold in congregations around the state. in all 159 counties. when i go to a new church do i ask if that's a gun free zone, do i print that on the bulletin if people walk into a sanctuary for the first time that this is a gun free zone or guns are allowed, and so how is that policed and what does that do in terms of putting a chill on congregations really around the state and so i have to agree with pastor werner. the other thing is the fact is, they said that the way to ward

off mass killings in public places is to have more good guys with guns. that didn't help the children at sandy hook. that didn't do anything for the people in aurora, colorado. that didn't help the people in overland park, kansas, just recently. it certainly didn't do anything for the elementary school here in georgia where a young man tragically walked in and wanted to shoot up children and administrators there. but what does help is interceding before things like that unfold, making sure that while we protect the second amendment, we make sure that we have reasonable gun reform laws on the books that background check loopholes are closed, that we limit high capacity magazines that we dry up the well of illegal guns that are really pervading some of our inner cities around this country and so if we cannot take a thoughtful look back to some of this, i have a really sneaking suspicion this may move across the country to other states.

>> and quickly, we're short on time, i want to point out georgia is one of the top ten if number ten on the list of the states with the highest levels of gun violence according to the center for american progress. this is seen as partly political for nathan diehl n a tight re-election race with jason carter, the son of former president jimmy carter. briefly, how do you think this impacts the politics of that particular race? >> this governor has a primary, jason carter has a primary. we did not suspect that either would be highly xcompetitive. but we do and this issue plays into that. governor diehl is running to the right of all of his opponents in the race to solidify his base of support and that includes the nra. that includes the gun owners of america here in georgia, but ironically enough, jason carter, the leading democratic candidate for governor in this state also signed on to this legislation and really wanted to make it a highly localized issue, and so

you've got to wonder, if jason carter makes a call like that, when can democrats in the south or any other red state across this country begin to count on more progressive leaning candidates to vote in favor of curtailing the pervasiveness of guns in this country and still become viable candidates in a state like georgia. >> goldie taylor, thank you so much. we appreciate your insights this morning or this afternoon really. >> thank you. an update on the crisis in ukraine. tentative truce negotiated thursday is now off. the government in kiev says it will now begin again the fight to remove separatist forces in the east. russia warned this action could provoke a military response. up next, four more subpoenas heard out in the christie bridgegate scandal. steve kornacki is on the story that governor christie wishes would go away. it won't. steve will join us coming up next. [ female announcer ] who are we?

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clearly the bridgegate investigation surrounding new jersey governor chris christie is not over. as much as governor christie would like to think it is. here he is last night at his state's annual chamber of commerce center in washington, d.c. >> these remarks are being broadcast live by c-span tonight. what that will tell you is this must be the quietest political night in america in months. >> no, actually, governor, it wasn't a slow news night at all. law makers crammed onto a train headed to d.c. for that speech by governor christie. news broke the legislative committee investigating the matter issued four new subpoenas for witnesses to testify. the four people are some of the

most critical figures in this investigation. pat foye, executive director of the port authority. michael drewniak, christina ren and william "pat" schuber. lorre receipt ka weinberg and john wisniewski also on that train to d.c. issued a statement saying "the joint committee is moving to a key stage of its investigation. the four people we've called to testify could begin providing insight into the troubling environment that allowed something as concerning as these lane closings to happen." former christie staffer bridgette kelly and bill steppian were recently allowed to withhold subpoena documents under their fifth amendment rights but yesterday weinberg acknowledged a narrower subpoena may be headed their way and also on tuesday, more allegations from hoboken mayor don zimmer. he had this to say to steve

kornacki. >> the bottom line is it's not fair for the governor to hold sandy funds hostage for the city of hoboken because he wants me to give back to one private developer. >> but as this north jersey dot comarticle points out the mayor waited eight months before coming forward with her allegations. now, christie proposed a bill that would require public officials to immediately report misconduct. so zimmer sent copies of previously undisclosed journal pages to the committee saying she would have come forward sooner but held off because she discovered "christie has friends throughout the u.s. attorneys office." a slow news day indeed. here with me now the aforementioned chris christie scandal expert, steve kornacki and host of "up with steve kornacki" weekends on msnbc. the significance of the four new subpoena in your view? >> it shows the legislative committee after that, the court ruling they didn't want with

bridgette kelly and bill steppian asserting fifth amendment rights, they're still intent on going through the investigation. michael drewniak is somebody spent time at the u.s. attorneys office and his lawyer is saying that's not a targeted investigation, that's somebody who is providing some answers but we also know from the master report and from the memos that came out, michael drewniak's interview he met with david wildstein in early november. he talked to governor christie back at the september 11th event. pat foye is an interesting one. his first appearance before the legislature back in november when he was not under oath early december, whenever that was, that caused a stir. there are many more questions that emerged since then and he is potentially in position to shine more light on it. >> he shined light because he's

on the new york side, not the machinations beforehand. what do you think of my sort of theory that having ms. renna comply it ratchets up the tension the most. you had that ongoing communication happening between the campaign, mr. steppian and bridgette kelly's office and this was the assistant who would have been part of those communications. does this change the calculation for whether or not for instance bridgette kelly might get immunity because she might be in even more jeopardy or worry? >> it's interesting there. bridget kelly and her lawyer put out a statement about a month ago where he all but asked for immunity. basically said she is in the position here where you have the governor's office saying one thing, david wildstein something else and she can break the tie. they've played that card they want the deal. the question is whatever it happening in the u.s. attorneys office how that meshz with what's happening in terms of the

state legislative committee. this u.s. attorney's office, paul fishman for new jersey it's an opaque office, very hard to look into to see what's going on. for people who cover new jersey and the u.s. attorney there, that's a big difference when chris christie was there, we'd have a better sense of what's going on. we do know there is some type of communication that exists between people in fishman's office and people involved with the legislative committee. >> so they don't step on each other. >> and mainly the civil legislative committee doesn't step on the u.s. attorney. i don't think anything that the legislative committee does in terms of calling witnesses ademanding documents they're not going to do something that doesn't have tacit approval from the u.s. attorneys office. >> let's go to the dawn zimmer angle. the question of whether or not the entries in her written diary are factual or fanciful. does the fact she waited so long to come forward, does it impact in a sense her credibility or is she another person who potentially could take this

investigation into a still further and more troubling direction for christie? >> that's why this proposal from christie about make it a law that officials have to come forward right away. >> or what? >> i'm curious how that would work. it dovetails with the main line of attack, it's been two, one it took her eight months and also in those eight months she publicly said nice things about the christie administration. when we had her on the show we talked about this and there were some i wouldn't say plausible reasons why somebody in her position wouldn't want to come forward. one is as she says in this new letter to the legislature, she's afraid the u.s. attorneys office has the christie holdovers in it, not sure if she'll get a fair hearing. the diary went to the u.s. attorneys office. the people in the u.s. attorneys office know what she thinks of them. remember chris christie's approval rating was like in may of 2013. if you were a mayor who needs to function day to day getting help from the state, interfacing with a state is that a fight you want

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the state department, well really the white house's decision to delay a decision once again on the keystone pipeline may have ripples in the 2014 elections. as bloomberg points out today, there is a push by republicans in the senate to gain enough democratic votes to bypass the white house and approve the pipeline. as even bloomberg points out it is a long shot but 2014 politics isn't necessarily winning on a particular vote. it may be more about making life uncomfortable for senators in

red states up for re-election like mary landrieu in louisiana. in a 2014 race that's neck and neck and could determine who controls the senate the keystone becomes important in her re-election bid. karl rove thinks the decision by the white house was the wrong move politically. >> the president would be smart to have this happen so mary lan brew could push the administration for having to do so. that's now how the people are thinking. >> of course he's never wrong about anything. anti-keystone protests in d.c. prove there is an electorate willing to vote for the person who nixs the pipeline. brian schweitzer is supporter of the keystone pipeline. governor thank you for being here. i will ask you about the politics of keystone itself. karl rove never being right about anything put aside, are republicans right to think

keystone might be a wedge issue in 2014 races? >> it might affect some fun raising. that might be about it. karl rove is trying to use this as a wedge to make it a little bit more difficult for mary landrieu and maybe john walsh in montana, but i don't think he's going to be successful at it. those democrats who come from places where we develop oil and gas, they recognize that it's safer to have oil in a pipeline than it is on trains. they'd like to support it. what they've got wrong is the senate and congress can't approve of this. pipelines are approved state by state and while i was governor of montana, i demanded that transcanada post millions of dollars as a bond as a condition of giving them a permit and demanded they allow montana and north dakota oil to be put on this keystone pipeline so we could get it to market and no longer use the rail road to get to the oil to market. but you see, president obama really can't act on this until

nebraska acts because the only reason that we're asking the state department and president obama to move is because it crosses an international boundary. if seestone didn't cross an international boundary there is no role for washington, d.c. now we're asking the state department and president obama to act on permitting this pipeline, but it hasn't been permitted in nebraska yet. and so until nebraska gets their act together and either decides to allow this pipeline to come through or not, i don't see how the state department can move. and so these republicans that are stirring the water, the senate isn't going to be able to bypass the state department. that's not the law. you shouldn't ask the state department to approve of a pipeline until it has a legitimate route. >> you make a good point about the individual states having their own decisions to make on the pipeline and there is obviously a very strong opposition to it as well by

environmentalists but also within nebraska, that is the opinion that actually ruled. talk to us a little bit about this tussle between the states and the federal government between the proper use of the land inside of their borders. in many cases a lot of which is controlled by the federal government. as a former governor, where did you find that balance and did you find yourself in opposition to the federal government keystone specifically aside on issues of what to do with the land inside of your state's borders? >> dang tooten, if you're a governor of a western state between 30% and 80% of the land is owned by the federal government you'll have rassles all the time with the department of interior and fish and wildlife and where assles with the forestry departments and states have sometimes different interests in the federal government. oftentimes these managers of these federal lands that they post in places like montana or idaho or nevada they arrive for a couple of years.

they don't really know the situation on the ground. they're getting one kind of a signal from washington, d.c., and resource managers on the ground have a different one in the state. so if you are a governor of a state in the west, you're going to spend about a 30-year time rassling with federal bureaucrats. that's the way it works. >> governor, thinking just about that particular issue, when you have a state, some of which you put the chart out, have 80% of their land actually controlled by the federal government, what do you make of the argument that if you give states back substantial control over these lands, you're going to wind up with fracking. you're going to wind one things like keystone that environmen l environmentalists worry will poison the ground and water. you'll wind up with developers taking over what used to be pristine federal land. >> well, i don't buy that, but if the question is selling this federal land back to the states or giving it back to the states, to start with, many of us our states in the west say hold on

here. we're not so sure that we've got the resources to manage that land. and many of us would say, gosh, there's a balance between these federally owned properties. take nevada for example. they, like montana and the rest of the western states, when we became states, part of the enabling act was that the federal government gave us 5% in the land in our own states, two sections out of every township used for k-12 education. in montana we managed some 5.5 million acres and it brings in a couple hundred million dollars a year from grazing cattle, crops, oil, gas and coal but nevada up and sold their land for about a buck and a half an acre. they still have about 3,000 acres and on top of it they graze cattle. if you're grazing cattle on state land in nevada you're paying $12 for a cow to be there for one month. bundy was expected to pay, get this, $1.35 and he refused to

even pay that. he says he would recognize nevada. if he recognizes nevada, then he's going to be paying 12 bucks. so he's kind of talking out of both sides of his mouth and listen, if you have a dispute with the federal government as a private citizen, there are courts. bundy's been in those courts. he's lost in those courts but when you as a private citizen, when you take up with a bunch of clowns that point guns at federal officers, you shouldn't have any expectation that something bad isn't going to happen to you in the future. this is going to be resolved. it's not going to be resolved with guns out there and by the way, this isn't even on the bundy ranch. we're talking about federal land. federal land where he has been running his cattle and trespassing them. so this guy, bundy, is giving a bad reputation to a lot of us in the west who take minerals from federal land under permit, who have forestry lands that we're chopping those trees down and

selling them to lumber, and those cattlemen who are raising cattle on that public land. don't worry about losing beef, because only about one-half of 1% of the beef in america comes from these public lands. we'll be just fine without the bundy cattle trespassing on federal land >> as if you read my mind you got to the next question i was going to ask you, the governor grew up on a cattle ranch so he has a lot of cause to -- >> still a rancher. >> all right, brian schweitzer, thank you very much. we appreciate it. we will be right back. and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. if yand you're talking toevere rheuyour rheumatologistike me, about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain. this is humira helping me lay the groundwork.

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justice sewn yoo sotomayor said yesterday in other courageous and very personal dissent in the michigan college admissions case, we ought not and i quote wish away rather than confront the racial inequality that exists in our society. >> that was attorney general eric holder. speaking this morning at the

diversity and inclusions speaker. referencing to the dissent of the 6-2 ruling upholding the ban on affirmative action. as the attorney general mentioned the dissent was deeply personal and direct. justice sotomayor took aim at chief justice john roberts oft quoted 2007 opinion in another case that the way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race. sotomayor who is the nation's first latina justice wrote this refusal to accept the stark reality that race matters is regrettable. to further make her point sotomayor's 58-page dissent included reprints of charts showing declines in minority enrollment after schools in california banned racial considerations and she added we ought not sit back and wish away, rather than confront, the racial inequity that exists in our society but roberts stuck to his opinion, responding to sotomayor with an additional written report saying it is not

out of touch with reality to conclude that racial preferences may themselves have the debilitating effect of reinforcing precisely that doubt and if so that the preferences do more harm than good. this rare public squabble between the justices is an extraordinary public display of the deep ideological divide over rice on the nation's highest court. it's no different than the debates over race that are seen all over the country but when the key players are supreme court justices, the outcome of the debate will have a longlasting impact on the nation. joining me are steven henderson, pulitzer prize winning columnist, his column proclaims i am affirmative action and michael skulnik, political director and a good friend. i have to go to you here at the table, michael, because one of the arguments that the court seems to be making is that we can simply trust people in these

states to decide if they want to do racial preferences for the minority of people no n these states. do you buy that argument? >> i was at ucla in 1966 to end affirmative action was happening in california. ward connolly put together and we were marching, jesse jackson were organizing and we marched and we lost. in 1981 it went into effect. i went back ten years later to see what happened. we had 95 out of 5,000 freshmen, 95 african-american students and joy, 72 of them were scholarship athletes out of the 95 so it didn't work. the students suffered. as a white student i went to ucla to experience diversity, experience different people and after ten years when they ended affirmative action it failed miserably. >> we have data that shows the same basic thing happened at michigan state schools with affirmative action gone, black enrollment dlipd, overall population gone up.

i want to you listen what ward connolly had to say just today about affirmative action and minorities. take a listen and then respond. >> the reality is that in some communities, black communities especially, the striving for higher education is not as great as it is among say chinese americans. >> that is simply not true that the striving differs across neighborhoods. there is a recent study that shows that controlling for parents education and income all groups, chinese-americans, black americans, mexican americans, everyone values and invests in education. >> and stephen, you write in your column today about affirmative action, you embrace affirmative action. you write overreliance on affirmative action has actually distracted us from more aggressive work on the root causes, better inner city public schools with the drive to wipe it out has stamped out the meager progress that has been made. respond both to ward connolly

and tell us whether or not you think there is any merit in what he's saying about the lack of striving among african-american families. >> well i think that lack of striving he's talking about is tied to the opportunity gap. as the person who spoke right after him said, when you control for involved parents and parents' education, what you see is that people whose parents are educated and live in middle class environments are just fine, striving for higher ed and people who are not in that category don't, and that has to do historically with how few african-americans have been able to join the middle class. there are deep historical reasons for these things and affirmative action is, was intended to be a very limited way to address them. right now it's the only way, because we haven't been working on these other things, but we keep getting drawn into the fight about whether race conscious policies are the way to do it, instead of dealing

with the problems themselves. >> stephen, one of the arguments you see being made by chief justice roberts and clarence thomas, in a sense these remedies actually make things worse because they raise doubt among even the people who get the opportunity that they belong there. did you feel somehow set back by affirmative action assistance to you to go to college? >> well, no. i think my career stands as an example of that lack of doubt. i mean, i've been able to do extraordinary things including becoming the first african-american correspondent at the supreme court some 36 years after the court itself was integrated. i've never felt like opportunity was a reason to doubt myself, if i was going to have doubts it would be about my work and i think most people feel that way. this is about opening doors and giving people a chance to actually perform, which is what didn't happen before affirmative action is that blacks who were qualified, blacks who have could have been great at things or in

colleges were never let in. now, we've changed that and i think there are some people who are uncomfortable with it. >> absolutely. what about, michael, the codicile to the argument, the racial preferences are unfair to white students. >> look, if you have disparities in education where 86% of african-americans in fourth grade can't read at grade level. if you put me, there's no competition. i'll win based on the education i was given. i say let that person have the seat because i want to get another seat. if i say name five african-american ceos or five latino ceos. steve jobs, warren buffett, mark zuckerberg, george soros, bill gates, easy. five african-americans, until we get to that point where they're on the tip of our tongue, with he can name them, we know we're not there yet. we have to have ways to protect. let's be clear, affirmative

action was created for women. the most people who benefited from affirmative action have been white women and for good reason. it wasn't created for people of color, it was created for women. we have a lot of work to do for women and people of color. >> michael skolnik and stephen henderson thank you for being here. >> we read between the lints on john roberts. why the chief justice may be declaring the end to racism in america. you know what else i can do on my phone? place trades, get free real time quotes and teleport myself to aruba. i wish. marge: you know, there's a more enjoyable way to get your fiber. try phillips fiber good gummies. they're delicious, and an excellent source of fiber to help support regularity. wife: mmmm husband: these are good! marge: the tasty side of fiber. from phillips. carsthey're why we innovate. they're who we protect.

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>> there's a compelling desire in our culture to pretend that history doesn't matter anymore. to say opportunity is now equal in america. that line from a column written by one of our guests today, stephen henderson tracks a study at tufts university and harvard business school. growing number of white americans perceive to the extent discrimination exists they have replaced blacks as the primary

victim of discrimination in contemporary america. it's not surprising given the opportunity to end preferences like affirmative action, a majority of voters in a state like michigan say sure, end it. what's new in modern american history is that we have a supreme court whose majority and whose chief justice apparently agrees with those who the research described as believing racial equality is a zero sum game, one group sinks in order for the other to rise. when he was a lawyer in the reagan justice department in the 1980s, john roberts was deeply involved in efforts to curtail the effectiveness of the voting rights act. that's according to research by adam serwer writing last february for "mother jones." president reagan was considering whether to renew and extend the voting rights act and southern legislators were pressing him not to, arguing they shouldn't have to remain under federal scrutiny over past discriminati discrimination, past being 15, 20 years earlier. roberts argued that it wasn't fair to keep applying the voting

rights act unless you could absolutely prove that states discriminated against minority voters on purpose. seeing the impact of laws wasn't enough. anyone who thought they were discriminated against should have to prove it. otherwise society should just trust in the states to do what's best. that's the same reasoning of roberts and the court's conservative and lib barian wing on the voting rights act. racial discrimination is in the past. why have federal protection for minority voters today? here is the map of states that used to be covered by preclearance that passed restrictive voting laws after the supreme court junked section five. roberts and other members argued you can't prove voters in states might pass laws to intentionally disadvantage minority students, you just have to trust them. that's the kind of trust you can afford when you perceive discrimination to be a relic of the past and the former winners as the new losers when society keeps trying to address racial

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