daughters and sons to work today. so brenda and others have brought kids to work today. if you see kids, show them what you do.8-year-olds here, a 10-year-old, a 9-year-old. that's going to do it for "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ mr. president, i'm a humanoid robot. it's nice to meet you. >> nice to meet you too. >> i can run really fast. let me show you. here i go. >> oh. wow. he's moving.

>> i can kick a soccer ball too. >> okay. come on. come on. let me see. it's going to be pretty hard, huh? if it hits me, it'll be terrible. come on, now. right here? >> here i go. >> hey. good job. >> well, there you go. good morning, everyone. president obama making new friends in japan. >> we need one of those here, willie. >> we do. it's thursday, april 24th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have washington anchor for bbc katty kay who is author of "the confidence code" book. i'm hearing it everywhere. and it becomes a part of all the conversations.

former governor of vermont, former chairman of the democratic national committee howard dean is here with us on set. and in washington "time" magazine cheer foreign affairs command michael crowley is with us. >> banks was talking about "the confidence code" yesterday. holy cow. it was so cold. >> you looked freezing. >> it was in the 20s. >> i go to howard dean's state regularly in january and february after woodstock and suicide six with my kids and i ski regularly in below zero weather. and i'm good with it. yesterday, man. willie, that wind coming off the lake cut -- serious. it was crazy. >> but the governor. how cool was he turning up in his suit? >> well, you had to get off the field. you don't just run on the field. >> i needed to warm up. >> that was cool though, huh?

being inside wrigley? >> it really was. >> oh, my gosh. >> i saw inside the park home run there one time. >> oh, yeah. it was absolutely -- and i was actually watching from one of the rooftops. they had a court settlement they are going to put up a wall. but it was great. barbecuing going on behind you and you could see in the park. other than fenway, it's probably one of the most exciting parks. >> and you kept talking about park. it is not a stadium and they will tell you that. it is a park. you realize that. i was watching a couple quick games on mlb last night, a couple of highlights. you look at the huge stadiums. it's completely different. you feel like you're right on the field with these guys. it's fantastic. >> all right. let's get back to what we started the show with. >> the robot? >> the robot. i thought he handled that well. >> what are you doing to do?

>> i don't know. >> that look on his face. he had the smile on his face like let's get this moving, guys. >> he said that. come on, let's do it now. >> that's really a robot, not a child? >> it's a robot. >> as howard dean said, they need about 10 million of those to get their boats back from the chinese. get their islands and boats back. lots of luck there, fella. >> he did good. all right. president obama's on the first full day of a week-long trip that will take him to four different countries. it's part of the pivot to asia. he arrived yesterday in tokyo. caroline kennedy the new u.s. ambassador to japan greeted the president at the airport. he had dinner with japan's prime minister at the sushi restaurant where the average meal was $400. >> that's good sushi right

there. it was good. thank you so much. >> that's one way to put it. it better be good. the two leaders talked about the trade agreements and relations with china. but the crisis in ukraine took center stage with the president sending a clear message to moscow. >> so far at least we have seen them not abide by the spirit or the letter of the agreement in geneva. instead we continue to see malicious and armed men taking over buildings. we have been preparing for the prospect that we're going to have to engage in further sanctions. those are teed up. >> russia for its part warned of military action if any of its citizens are attacked in eastern ukraine. the foreign minister compared what's taking place in ukraine to what took place in georgia of 2008. i want to read dana milbank, if

i can. he writes this in "the washington post." overseas obama projects a whole lot of nothing. nothing is wrong with an american president spreading good will and eating good sushi, but it risks contributing to perception that obama's asian policy and foreign policy in general is similarly ie tiner ent. he's moving along more tourists than architect of world affairs. obama's critics project him with weakness overseas. the problem isn't that he doesn't project weakness, it's that he doesn't project much of anything. the politico playbook asked readers did you know president obama was away? trips like this used to permeate the conscious of americans and they could again if the president was a news maker and not a tourist. what do you think, joe? >> you know, the president has over the past two or three weeks come under increasing criticism

from a lot of foreign policy experts. an op-ed yesterday saying we have three years left and this president needs to find his footing in foreign affairs. of course last week dr. brzezinski came on suggesting he's not doing enough in ukraine. jane harman also critical. you're hearing and i'm sure it's not just in the united states, i'm sure in britain overseas also you're hearing a rising chorus of critiques about this president's foreign policy that he just doesn't seem to have follow through. >> you're hearing it from the establishment. but you've got to counter that with the vast majority of the american electorate that doesn't want this president to be spending time abroad or engaged abroad or using american military assets abroad after more than ten years of war americans are very ready to come back home. and this president realizes that. what he's trying to focus on is

getting jobs and growth back here in america. now, he keeps getting drawn off course and maybe as president and commander in chief rather than just letting himself get drawn off course by what happens in ukraine and syria, by events in asia, he should be shaping some of those events. that would mean america being more proactive. as your dad suggested last week, mika, perhaps giving some kind of arms to the ukrainian government. but there's very little appetite for that. >> but howard dean, we're also ta talking, though, the critiques come from those not wanting to see boots on the ground. working on a pacific rim trade pact that there are some critiques he's not pushing hard enough for that. it's more of a general critique. is it fair? >> no. i think dana milbank's column is silly. i'm going to fully defend the president on this stuff. i think he's doing exactly the right thing. first of all, the sanctions that

he's proposing are devastating. they destroyed iran's economy. already put them on putin's own bank. they put those sanctions in, this is going to be a big deal. second of all katty is right. there's no appetite for u.s. military invasion. if putin does invade which i think is likely we may well arm the ukrainians. but this is not the right time. i think he's being measured. i think he has a plan and he's executing it. and i think his trip to japan is important given what just happened where the chinese violated their post-war agreement and seized two japanese vessels to claim reparations. that is clearly against the post-war agreement that held up for 70 years. now the chinese are violating it. i think he's doing a great job. >> he's in the middle of an island dispute. the chinese are claiming islands that the japanese have had claimed for centuries.

and of course the chinese prior to the 1970s never had claim on those islands. so he's now in the middle of a dispute between the second and third largest economies in the world. >> he is. but while he's in japan, all the questions remain about russia. it's interesting we haven't heard that much about japan. michael crowley, this has been mostly about russia. and vladimir putin setting up a scenario where he's sending in militia members to stir up problems. and when they are approached he says if you come after russians, we have to defend those russians. so beyond the sanctions, those that are suggesting the president of the united states, quote, do something, what more should he do? he reserves the right to ratchet up the sanctions. what else could he be doing right now? >> the question is if this escalates if he would provide weapons. i think we're far from that.

i think this administration really doesn't want to do that. if you listen to their rhetoric, they're just not even kind of flirting with the idea. the other thing they can do which is largely symbolic and we've seen it begun is to reinforce our support for nato allies on russia's periphery. we sent 600 troops now to the baltics and to poland. it's a token gesture, but it's a way of saying to russia if you mess with the nato alliance, that's a very different trip wire. and that's where you would start incurring american military force. by the way, on japan, i would add dana milbank said don't just do tourism. it was significant that the president stayed in this american policy that we think the disputed islands are covered by our security agreement with japan. it's a big deal for him to say that in that region. it's big news for him to say

that. the japanese have been nervous about america's commitment. it's an it ration of this idea that yes we are still here, we are still behind you. we're not abandoning our allies. i think that's important to tokyo and shouldn't be discounted. >> this morning said i trust the president and his words. so very critical. >> well, we'll be following this. we've got a lot of other news to get to. breaking news this morning out of afghanistan. police say three americans were killed by a gunman in a hospital in kabul. a security guard is being blamed for opening fire. one other person was wounded. the shooter is said to be in custody after shooting himself in the head. we'll be following that and now an update on the ferry disaster. school is back in session in south korea where many of the victims in the tragic accident went to class. the death toll has now exceeded 150. more than 140 people remain missing many of whom are teenage students from that school.

prosecutors yesterday raided the home of the ferry's owner as part of their investigation. cargo on the ship weighed three times the maximum recommended weight. they also say the ship had a faulty steering system which may have made the cargo quick live move to one side causing the ship to capsize and sink. this is basic stuff. prosecutors also say they're investigating if safety inspectors were bribed to say the ferry was safe to operate. >> katty, right now this is obviously for a lot of reasons, this is causing a lot of south koreans extraordinary angst. "new york times" had a story yesterday about there's sort of this accident in south korea, hurry, hurry. explosive growth. very little regulations. a lot of bribery. in this case not only did you have three time this cargo weight, this ferry had had also

added additional beds and additional sleeping areas that would make it more likely to capsize. and the tragedy is obvious here. and it is -- this could be a disaster that's going to change the way they look at regulation in south korea. not just for this industry but for all industries. >> and 11 of the members of the crew now have been arrested. the captain of course wasn't on the bridge at the time, managed to get off. and a lot of questions in south korea about why the crew abandoned all of those children on the ship. the divers tragically saying there are no air pockets left. there's no air left inside there so anyone who's in there, those children will have been killed. there has to be now, joe, an investigation into in the interests of growth and getting things done and circumventing rules in order to get things done, did the country risk lives of those children. >> i have a question about this that astonishes me.

we've had major nautical disasters in recent years. the italian ship that went up. airlines really get inspected carefully. and generally speaking, at least knock on wood we've been incredibly lucky. we haven't had a major air disaster in the united states for a long time. why aren't the naval vessels inspected? even in the cruise ships. every year there's a huge epidemic on one of the cruise ships and hundreds of people get sick. what is the matter with this industry that we don't inspect enough or what is it? >> it has to go to oversight, doesn't it? >> it does. >> at the end of the day airlines are obviously regulated. there's a reason why planes -- air crashes are down. >> the cruise line industry is heavily regulated. we hear about it when there's an epidemic of illness on a cruise ship. but part of it is people see a cruise as taking a choice. we have to take an airplane. despite what happened in malaysia with the missing airplane, no one is saying i'm

not getting on an airplane again. it's different with a cruise ship. >> other news now. rancher cliven bundy has found plent of anti-government activists. >> at lo of people from all over the country. i've heard it's about freedom, mika. >> right. >> i've heard that having a right that no other rancher in america has is this one rancher's god-given right. >> right. >> because of the constitution of the united states. actually, i think -- if i'm not mistaken -- willie, i'm not good on this. >> help us out, will. >> is it 14 or 37 where james madison actually inscribes the bundy family's name into the federalist papers? could you tell me? because i really don't know. >> very specific about that. here's what you need to know. a quote from bundy. i abide by all of nevada state

laws but i do not see the federal government as even existing. >> this is a man that. >> reporter: all right. little background. >> some self-described conservatives -- i said a week or two ago there's nothing conservative about this man, have embraced. this is where nihilism against the federal government as the basis of your ideology gets you in trouble. there was another figure that conservatives raced to a year or two ago and gets arrests three or four more times. >> it's the kind of thing that undermines everything that conservatives should be about. >> supposedly stand for. >> but new comments by bundy in a front page story in "the new york times" will undoubtedly leave some of his supporters with buyers remorse if they have half a pea in their brain. bundy is the rancher who refused to pay the government more than

a million dollars in grazing fees for using federal lands. his defiance attracted armed militias who have come to his defense. the bureau of land management eventually backed off a court order to confiscate his cattle. bundy has used the attention to hold daily press conference on government welfare and race. this is a front page story today. in a recent talk bundy launched into a tirade on african-american families. using a racial slur and adding, quote, this. they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do? they abort their young children, they put their young men in jail because they never learned how to pick cotton. and i've often wondered, are they better off as slaves picking cotton and having a family life and doing things or

are they better off under government subsidy? they didn't get no more freedom. they got less freedom. >> this is more like -- >> i have a few more. would you like me to read them? >> do we have the time? >> there are defenders of this person. >> whack job. >> michael crowley, the bigger problem is here -- i understand i risk despite the racism here being the only self-described conservative on set, talking about this, but i'm going to talk about it. this has happened before. it happened when conservatives raced blindly to put their arms around george zimmerman, a man who they didn't realize who gets in all these troubles. because they basically pick their friends based on who their, quote, enemy's friends are.

here in this case you have a lot of people in conservative media that have -- so-called -- and i put that in quotation marks. that have raced to this guy's defense. they must be feeling very exposed this morning. >> well, they deserve what they get. i mean, it was so obvious that this guy was unhinged and not somebody who should be elevated and celebrated. i mean, he's obviously a nut. and those quotes are despicable. they really -- you know, i feel like we're all so jaded now. you hear kind of some variation of everything these days. but still that really turned my stomach. guys like this and it's the same thing with ted nugent are doing a favor to the left and doing a favor to the democrats to the extent that there are interesting intellectually strains of conservative thought about limits of government authority. people like this get associated with them, completely discredit them and make them look

ridiculous. joe, you remember the mid-1990s. those house republicans suffered dearly from the way bill clinton and the democrats were able to link gingrich and some of your colleagues to the militia nuts out west and it was devastating. i'm not saying that mainstream washington conservatives have anything really to do with this guy. i'm saying to the extent that conservative media and activists have elevated him, it was a huge mistake and they are going to deserve what they're getting. >> given that, joe, because he's gotten so much sympathy and defense from really high profile people, if they don't dial that back today and completely reject this man and everything he stands for, what's -- what does that say about them? >> well, it'll be up to their audiences. i've got to say, though, michael brings up a great point. there are a lot of extraordinarily credible

conservative small government libertarian voices to go to. you could read the works of hyatt. you could re-read william f. buckley. look at rand paul. you've got a presidential campaign you can follow with rand paul. there's no need to go blindly in to championing the cause of somebody like this. we certainly didn't know he was a racist, but we did know one thing. we know that this guy and eric erickson a couple weeks ago, i loved it. i retweeted it. he said there must be something i don't understand in this bundy case. because isn't he using land that he hasn't paid for? that he has no right for? and eric erickson like myself, like a lot of other small government conservatives, what are we about? we're about property rights. we talk about property rights all the time. there's something, in fact, if you go back to small government

conservatism, the idea of property, personal property is one of the most important things. this guy talking about welfare, this guy wanted a free ride off the government off the rest of us and for some reason some self-described conservatives left peek like eric erickson and myself scratching our heads saying wait a second. this guy is getting a free ride. >> when you start with there is no federal government, he believed that land belonged to everyone. it belonged to him. >> sounds like communism to me, willie. >> well, that's -- >> it sounds like communism. >> he and his supporters are declaring victory. they're saying the federal government backed down. we ran them out of here, there's a quote from his son that says now they know we're serious. you talked about republicans being careful running to him. senator dean heller did come out in his "new york times" piece and reject the comments that mika just read from mr. bundy. >> oh, my gosh.

we have so much to get to. >> i think this does put a spotlight on those conservative politicians. >> this is a huge gift to us. because it falls into the stereotype that a lot of people already have about republicans. and it's not fair. what happens is the media picks up the most extreme example whether it's the left or right. this is an extreme example and the right wing fell right into the trap that was set by bundy. >> you say the right wing. some people. >> the far right. the nut jobs. >> you know jazz shaw came on. and we were going back and forth. and he said, hey, there may have been a better way for the government to handle this when they had the confrontation, but this guy's completely wrong. they distance themselves from it. eric erickson with a red state, one of the most conservative people you'll meet. >> he doesn't pay his taxes. that's what he is. >> he's a free loader and by the way when you say everybody owns

everything, and i'm sorry, howard, you may understand this philosophy more than me, that sounds like socialism. that's socialism. >> or something. i don't know. >> okay. >> maybe this guy should move to vermont. >> should we camp on the land and say what they supporters say about that? >> let's camp on his land. he doesn't have property rights. >> are we good? still ahead on "morning joe" -- i'm going to do the tease now. still ahead on "morning joe," elizabeth warren joins us with a new look at her new book "a fighting chance" and what america needs to do to get america back on track. and next, the real house candidates of beverly hills? the race to represent the most wealthy citizens -- >> mark looeibovitz is coming o to talk about that? >> yes. mitch mcconnell is having some trouble in the polls. speaking of having trouble, bill kairns. >> you guys were troopers yesterday, by the way.

you didn't complain about half as much as you should have. >> you didn't warn us, bill. >> i wanted to see you in shorts and t-shirts and see what happened. i did tell thomas to wear some hand warmers though. let's talk about what happened yesterday. we saw the 30-degree windchill in chicago. that is now in new england. it's a chilly clear morning. yesterday it was rainy and windy. today we have windchills in 27 in albany and 34 in boston. this will be the last morning of this really cold air. then it will kick out and we'll moderate from here. yesterday we saw some pretty significant hail. pictures coming in from carl, oklahoma. covering the roads. some of it was big enough to be baseball sized hail. that's golf ball sized hail right there. impressive stuff. enough to dent the roof of your car. as far as today goes, we'll see more in the way of severe weather from st. louis to memphis to little rock. everywhere in between later on

this afternoon isolated tornado or two. but definitely strong winds with damage possible. for the east coast, it improves today. we're at 55 in boston. 61 in new york city. it should be a beautiful afternoon in washington, d.c. and appreciate this weather pattern, because this weekend into all of next week, a lot of the mid-atlantic to the northeast does not look warm. more details on that ahead. you're watching "morning joe." ♪

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♪ let's take a look at the morning papers from our parade of papers. "the los angeles times," fda regulating e-cigarettes.

they have become popular but have no oversight. the regulation will ban their sale to anyone under the age of 18. they would also have to register with the fda and be subject to inspections to the agency. >> and the atlantic journal constitution. new law opens up bars, schools, churches, and many government buildings. even the world's busiest airport to gun owners. he signed it into law. it's also going to authorize schools to appoint staffers to carry firearms. >> the san jose mercury news. the father of the stowaway who rode to hawaii in the wheel well of a plane is speaking out. he says the grandparents live in africa. and his son had a hard time adjusting in america since moving four years ago. officials are investigating how the boy avoided detection through three pre-flight inspections. >> and the des moines register,

animal rights group p.e.t.a. is looking to create a temporary memorial. really? this is important. this is something that we talked about for quite some time. a temporary memorial to honor hundreds of turkeys that were killed. >> stop it. p.e.t.a. is asking iowa transportation officials to build a -- [ laughter ] >> willie, can you take this for us? >> they want to build a ten-foot tombstone at the site of the accident. they group says it will cover all the costs. they plan to use the memorial to promote a meat-free diet and safe driving at the same time. >> take this drumstick off of me. the telegraph -- >> we eat them. >> that's what we do. >> my mother chopped the head off of our two geese and we had them for dinner. is that bad?

>> i think that's actually what people have been doing for thousands and thousands of years. let's go to this next paper. a 77-year-old man is lucky to be alive after narrowly escaping being hit by a train. >> this is unbelievable. >> surveillance video shows a man running across aed are crossing as the speeding track approaches. the train did hit him actually sending his shoe flying. >> what was he thinking? >> what in the world? knocked him to the ground. miraculously the guy gets up and he walks away. >> wow. >> he only has a minor leg injury. but he faces a $125 fine for crossing the barricade. willie, you did see last week -- >> senator blumenthal? >> what? what happened to him? >> he almost got hit by a train. >> is he going? >> yeah. but if you're doing something on

train safety -- >> that was senator blumenthal? >> you probably don't want your display in the middle of the track. >> he had the easel with the visual right on the track. >> here it comes. let's back that off the yellow line, senator. look at this. this is actually scary. look at this. whoa! he reaches for it. >> that was a nice grab. >> simmer down. >> great instincts by the senator. catlike quickness. >> that is catlike quickness. >> he is so nice, by the way. >> moves as fast as archibald. you see that guy? >> all right. >> all right. so what you got, willie? >> this is special. joining us from washington the chief national correspondent for "the new york times" magazine, mark leibovitz. >> he's all black today. >> back in black. >> hollywood. >> he's grot a new story in "the new york times" titled the real house candidates of beverly hills. it's about the battle for california's 33rd congressional

district. and it is very looeibovitz-ian term. >> good to see you. >> henry waxman has held it for years. now he's stepping aside opening up this cast of characters. >> there's this pent up demand for this congressional district to send whoever to congress. you have these 18 candidates, this eclectic mix of political posers and your sort of cast of vegans and so forth. and it has created this anarchy in the botox belt. you have this great house race. i spent a few days out there and i surveyed them. and it should be a fascinating race. i think the self-help author has a good shot at winning a number of people with hollywood movies are in the running. >> you say there's one candidate that seems to be enjoying this the most. >> his name is brent roski.

he has a lot of support from the white house. it's not the current white house or any non-fiction white house. it's the white house of the west wing. the nbc series that ended over a decade ago. toby is a friend of his. president bartlett is a friend of his. c.j. is a friend of his. so a lot of people in hollywood, fantasyland, there's this great melding of real and fake. they're supporting him. i don't think he'll win. he's refusing to raise money. but he's doing things like promising to have a reality tv camera or crew accompanying him to washington after he's elected. he already has a documentary being made about his campaign. i'd be shocked if he got more than 1% or 2% of the vote. it seems to be recreation for a lot of people. >> mark, more interesting than the candidates themselves are the people who are supporting each candidate. you kind of go through that. the self-help guru, the

spokesperson suggested thought leader instead of self-help guru. >> choose words carefully here. >> is supported by others among the kardashians, katy perry, ai lan this morissette, and nicole richie. >> kucinich is also supporting her. i mean, she obviously has some slice of celebrity support. wendy greuel who is a runner up last year has the support of rob rhiner, ed begley jr. the endorsement is big out there for those voters asking the question what would meat head do, i guess, right? so there's a lot of that. >> there's another candidate that has gwyneth paltrow and ll cool j. who's going to win this? >> the front runner -- i think what happens is -- i mean, there

is this establishment candidate or maybe two. and that's greuel who's supported by emily's list and a lot of the democratic establishment. ted lou has the support of a lot of the state party. he's been in the legislature for a long time. people seem to think that because they're best known they probably have the best shot. however in a race like this, there's not any polling. people are just speculating. look. there's as much a thirst there for anything that reeks of authenticity, newness. and someone like a mary williamson or matt miller who's a columnist back here, worked at mckenzie. they have followings. so it should be a fun thing to just watch unfold in the next few months. and henry waxman is anti-showbiz. and the juxtaposition has been interesting to watch. >> it's a funny colorful piece.

mark, thanks so much. "new york times" magazine, we'll check it out in the new issue. the battle for california's 33rd district. mark, thanks so many up. >> thanks, willie. coming up, it appears michael pineda really likes himself the pine tar. again with this. managers reacting to his second pine tar incident in as many starts. "morning joe" sports is next. ♪ vo: once upon a time there was a boy who traveled to a faraway place

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♪ his parents lou and sylvana here to cheer. it's her birthday today. let's hope chris gives a good present at his at bat. >> hope so. >> center field. and it is gone. happy birthday, mom. >> happy birthday, mommy. >> oh, my god. you knew it. you knew it. >> way to go, baby.

>> unbelievable. >> that's the minnesota twins chris right on cue. a reporter there talking to his mother on her birthday saying wouldn't it be nice if he gave you a birthday home run. >> and straight to center. >> dead center. >> i love it. >> it was straight to center. >> that was a bomb to center. nice job. that's great. let's start with the yankees last night and the red sox. controversy. sox up 2-0 in the second. john farrell coming out of the dugout. wants to talk to the umpire. says something fishy is up with michael pineda. checks the glove and neck and then his neck. there was pine tar on his neck. you could see the streak on the right side. he is ejected from the game. meanwhile the sox had the arm of john lackey. >> is that a surprise or not? >> it happens but not out in the open. >> why didn't you put it on your

nose. >> after the game everybody talking about pineda's ejection. >> in the second inning it looked from the dugout that there was a substance on his neck. you could see it. i could see it from the dugout. it was confirmed by a number of camera angles in the ballpark. and given the last time we faced him, felt like it was a necessity to say something. >> he did not have it on when the game started. i guess from what i understand he had a hard time gripping the ball and put it on in the second inning. >> do you think michael pretty much gave john farrell no choice there? >> yeah, i mean, that's probably fair to say. >> listening to brian cashman coming out, he said we're embarrassed. this happened to him last week, he was caught with pine tar. and the yankees now are going to have to deal with the repercussions of this. this is the previous game on his hand. no mandatory suspension, but with two incidents like this, you have to think major league

baseball will do something about it. >> can i ask you something. usually going all the way back, mike barnicle told a funny story yesterday. i mean for years and neers people were doing this. does everybody, quote, do this? they just have different ways to hide it. >> with pine tar they do. they don't usually have emory boards. that was something different. >> explain why they do that. >> for pine tar, it's -- he said that it was so cold last night he needed to grip the baseball. i think when they go back into the dugout, some pitchers do grab some pine tar in their hand. they're just not so obvious to put it on their neck. it is a foreign substance. something like vaseline or an emory where you're sand ugh up the ball, that changes the way the ball spins. pine tar they say is just for the grip on a cold night especially. we'll see what they do with him. coming up next, radhika

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♪ we've got "time" managing editor radhika jones. here for "time" magazine's 100 most influential people. on the cover -- on my cover, beyonce which is so funny because i said to my 10-year-old daughter a month ago when i noticed every second song is a beyonce song no matter what channel we switch to, i said kate, we're all in beyonce's world and we're just visitors. i mean, she -- it's extraordinary the year she's had in pop culture. >> that is the message here. beyonce is in charge. we don't rank the list, but you can draw conclusions as you

would like from our cover subject. she has this amazing record launch. told no one. shattered records. people are enamored with her role as a performer but she also stepped into a role as a businesswoman and entrepreneur. we had sheryl sandberg write about is that. talks about her ability to be a great boss. >> and one more in entertainment, then we'll move elsewhere. but kerry washington. what a year kerry has had. >> she really has had a great year. i've been watching "scandal" regularly. she's a tremendous actress. she leads this show and projects so much strength and integrity from it. but she's also a great patron of arts education and has been working for that cause for five years. that's a great thing to celebrate. >> i love an issue that has beyonce and janet yellen on the same page.

janet yellen obviously somebody who was updated to perhaps the most influence. shl woman. >> we have a record number of women on the list. 41 women. and that's not a stretch. it's precisely because people like janet yellen are in positions now they weren't holding a decade ago. >> i love the people who have written these pieces. you've got hillary clinton by malala. that's great. the people who have written the pieces are almost as interesting as the people you chose. they could be on the list themselves. >> and they have been often. that's part of the fun of it. for us it's not just choosing the people on the list but finding influential people to write about them. >> in the world of politics, scott walker. >> scott walker by chris christie you may notice. who knows a little bit about being a governor in the middle of controversy. he praises scott walker's leadership in a divisive climate and says we're going to see him go far. >> a lot of lists like to keep the most powerful person in the

world off that list. you do not. president obama on the list. joe kline says reports of his political death may be exaggerated. >> joe does the math. we find we are 66% of the way through the obama presidency. there is still time for the president after a rocky year to start managing things and turn it around. >> anybody that stands out in your mind from this list that we haven't talked about? >> one person who i've thought a lot about doing this list is robert redford. there's no surprise to people that he's a fantastic actor. but this is the 30th anniversary of the sundance film festival this year. when you look at the legacy he's helped create in the independent film. >> can i see that cover and hold it up quickly? we feel strongly about -- robert redford all is lost. how all is lost did not get

nominated for an academy award is beyond me. it was an ux trord nextraordina performance. >> that was real work. >> he had five words in the whole thing. unbelievable piece. >> it was unbelievable acting. but 30th anniversary of sundance. and he's changed the way film -- how people -- how artists get their films out. >> there are directors like quentin tarantino and david russell who would have had a much tougher time without that festival. we did an interview with him on time.com. take a look. >> radhika jones, thank you so much. we'll be checking out the new issue of "time." still ahead, he plays the presidential liaison to the vice president's office on hbo's "veep." he's such a jerk. tim simons is here. he joins the set when "morning

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joining us on set, joshua green. he is here with the new success issue featuring four different covers. yeah. i know which one you like, josh. and from washington, senior political editor and white house correspondent for t"the huffington post" sam stein. he's got a success issue too. >> i do? >> i was just trying to be nice. >> i want to talk to you about this. >> this is my story. >> it's unbelievable. i'll tell you a liverpool story. you tell me the red sox story. but it's extraordinary what john henry has done on both sides of the atlantic. >> it is. >> extraordinary. >> yeah. and i'm interested in this side of the atlantic. i write about here american baseball. the story of the red sox how they went from misery to dynasty after henry and his ownership group took over. won three world series, broke the curse of the bambino.

if you suffered the anguish of the '86 world series as i did, it's unbelievable how they turned this around. >> and they took over liverpool, a team that used to be the greatest football club not only in england but all of europe. i still have people coming up to me that know i'm a liverpool fan and talk about how they grew up watching liverpool. and he's done the same thing. and he's done it -- it's unbelievable he's done it by being as tough as i guess he is in everything. he was supposed to trade suarez and he refused to. he said later, you know what? your contracts don't mean anything to you people over here, so guess what. what's fair for the players is fair for the owners. they held onto him. he's having the greatest season. and liverpool is going to be able to do something they haven't done in a quarter century. win it all. knock on wood. >> i think henry is part of this

wave of owners in professional sports team in the financial world. stu sternberger. this story looks at how henry made his billions. he was a commodities and futures trader. wrote his own algorithms when he was 22 and is applying the same techniques to the red sox. he's representative of how baseball is changing. that is a chain saw. it has nothing to do with the sox. that's a good story too. >> this is the chain saw mika's mom uses. >> i have an addition to this story. we're having the ceo on. this company is amazing. what's your angle here? >> how they have succeeded by ignoring big box stores like home depot. >> for 40 years. >> and the issue is filled -- we've got a profile on shaquille

o'neal who's making more money now in endorsements than he made as a player. we have a story on fireball which is sweeping bars everywhere. >> i haven't tried it. >> financial times front page obviously has the president in japan right now hanging out with robots. you know, that was so bizarre. >> that's actually the prime minister. >> that was the prime minister but he was hanging out with robots. i would have turned around and walked out after the 50th addressing of the ball. but he's being attacked saying he's got no follow through. dana milbank this morning especially tough on him in the "washington post" say k he's more of a tourist than a president. what's your take and what are you hearing in washington? >> well, you know, the big ruffle is over whether or not he lacked manhood which was put out on the sunday shows. and i think that's sort of a silly way to look at it. obviously there are people who want him to be stronger with

respective use to the military. this president has always said from when he took office to now that he wants to be more prudent with respect to the military option. that he wants to not accelerate constantly towards that but look at other ones. there's been some blowback with the situation in ukraine. it's very complex. and there's been a push for him to at least put more arms to the ukrainian government. but it's a complex issue. i'm not sure what other options are out there other than toughening up the sanctions. he's in a box essentially. i think he's going to get blowback from public opinion, but i'm not sure what other alternatives he can explore. >> okay. looking at other news now. hillary clinton is addressing the challenges faced by women who re-enter the workforce after raising families. speaking to a group of college students in boston, the former secretary of state quoted margaret meade who suggested older groups of women still have

plenty to offer. >> as men and women age, you know, men are tired of the race. they've been running it since their late teens. they're exhausted. all they want to do is take a deep breath. they want to retire. they want to play golf. they want to just enjoy life. and women are raring to go. because they feel like they've fulfilled their responsibilities, their kids are out on their could make a real difference to america's corporations, businesses, acedemia. >> i feel demeaned and cheapened. this stereotyping against people like me -- >> stop it. >> -- that i want to just sit at home and watch tv and play golf. >> all true in your case. >> i would respond except i'm so exhausted from 25, 30 years of running. what about you? come on, now.

>> this age question and i will defer to the women on hillary clinton's comments. >> i thought you might defer to the older people. >> no, to the women. but this age question as it relates to hillary clinton is so fascinating. because it's very, very dangerous territory for critics of hillary clinton. but we talked about age with john mccain and bob dole. remember the whole argument against sarah palin was she was very close, maybe closer than one heart beat away the oval office. so it's a very tough one for opponents of hillary clinton to grapple with. what do you think about what she actually said, though, yesterday as women? >> i reckon that slogan raring to go is going to rear its head when it comes to election time if she decides to use that. >> i'm thinking of your book "the confidence code." women are finding a new platform for themselves in this generation. i think we have been working really hard to get where we are and now we want to do more with it. >> the experiences that we have

developed over the course of the last 20, 30 years of working in an environment that's not always been easy for women to work in. the battles that women have gone through to get to the top have given them a lot of confidence and ability to run. >> doesn't this seem like the latest in a disastrous line of republican strategies? if you tell a woman you're too old to do this, you're too old to be president, seems to me that would enrage a lot of women and drive them out to the polls and kind of backfire as a political attack. >> but can i be contrary here? i think age is a pertinent thing to consider when you're considering being president. in the context of one's health, you want to elect someone who you're confident can serve out the term. i know there's sensitive aspects to discuss it, but it seems legitimate when discussing who to vote for. >> yeah. >> am i crazy? >> what's the average age of a senator right now? 89? being in your 60s doesn't make you old.

>> senators don't have the launch codes. we did a feature on sonia sotomayor when she was being considered to supreme court justice and we wrote about her health issues. i thought it was legitimate. you're putting someone on the bench far lifetime appointment. we get queasy when discussing these things, but it's an important aspect of the politician or supreme court justice people need to consider. >> i just want to know, joe, when you felt so, you know, impinged upon and marginalized when you heard hillary clinton say what she was saying, my question is what's the difference between you now and you 20 years snaegago? you always want to play golf and hang on the boat. >> people say why are you so laid back. sometimes i only work 20 hours a day. you know. >> uh-huh. >> what are you going to do?

>> i feel so sorry for him. >> sometimes i only work two hours a day. it averages out to about three, four, five hours a day. what if a man, though, said that? what if a man said, women, by the time they turn 55 or 60, they're just so tired from -- >> you'd be a republican politician. >> okay. with us now from tokyo, a guy who's not completely run his race yet. not completely fatigued by life and all the sacrifices that he's made in the workforce. >> i think he's having a party there. >> actually little known fact that don hoe actually has a place in tokyo and right there in his back yard, nbc news chief correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown," chuck todd. chuck, we were talking about -- well, why don't you tell us what

the president's doing over there. and then we'll talk about whether he's being unfairly maligned by critics right now. what's going on? >> fair enough. but you are right, by the way. this is i think exactly what mr. hoe's back yard would look like in hawaii. a few things. the president has been all about trying to make japan not feel like it has an inferiority complex when it comes to its place in america's diplomacy ranks when it comes to asia. and that's what this trip's been all about. it's what the next stop is going to be about in south korea. ensuring both japan and south korea that all the american outreach towards china, all of the good will tours that mrs. obama has done in china, the president has done in meeting with the chinese leaders, that doesn't mean that somehow china has superseded japan or south korea in their importance to the united states. and it's something that the japanese have wanted to hear.

and the president's been pretty tough on rhetoric. there's been some folks questioning whether the president has been strong enough on his rhetoric. well, yesterday, he was definitive about how the u.s. would stand by japan if they had a confrontation with china over those tiny islands in the east china sea. he said without any hesitation that the defense of japan treaty for the united states also includes those islands. then he said more sanctions are teed up with ukraine. and he was pretty skeptical that russia was going to not abide by it. now there are just technical reasons they haven't launched the new sanctions. it was a tougher talk from the president today, whatever day it is. it's never today in asia. >> whether it's day or night

there and what the tiki torches are all about. let's talk about japan. we obsess in the united states with the relationship with germany or russia or china. it's hard to remember that japan has the second biggest economy in the world. they're an extraordinarily important ally of ours. >> they are. and by the way there's a lot for us to learn about what's going on with japan. as we've been strugtology get out of the great recession and recreate our economy. japan has been dealing with this over a decade. what we're going through right now is what japan went through the '90s and in still in some way trying to get out of now. it's not only an important economic ally and maybe more important than we sometimes realize, but it's also some hard

lessons to be learned. in japan in the '90s. and sometimes you look at what's going on in japan now and you worry is this america's future when it comes to the economy. >> chuck, stand by. after staying on the sidelines, allison grimes is now calling on president obama to approve the keystone excel oil pipe line. she says the opportunity for job creation should be the government's top priority. polls show grimes, a democrat running neck and neck with senate minority leader mitch mcconnell of kentucky, the keystone issue is playing a prominent role in campaigns across the country. 11 incumbent democrats are backing the pipeline project. but according to "rolling stone" they're wasting their breath. they write the president has, quote, all but decided to deny the permit for the pipeline. >> chuck todd, "the washington

post" writes this morning in one of its editorials. if foot dragging were a competitive sport, president obama's administration would be champions for their time against the pipeline. is this pure politics on the president's heart? >> it certainly feels like it. i've been such a cynic when it comes to keystone. this feels like talk to me the day after the election. there's been a concern. don't rile up -- don't do -- you know, the mantra when it's come to 2014 is don't do anything that could potentially upset the democratic base. right? they're struggling enough to fire up the democratic base. because they need to sort of equal what early on in some polls indicate maybe the republican base a little bit more fired up for the midterms. so don't toss in issues that could somehow complicate fund raising, complicate things for

different senate candidates around the country and come the end of the year when by the way there's going to be a ton of congressional deal making that needs to be done. everything has been punted this year in congress until the lame duck. this is the new way we govern now. after the election before the new congress comes in and doesn't it feel like that's when keystone will get truly resolved. but to me it's not an accident that all these things that could upset the democratic base are getting punted or delayed until after november. the tpp deal, the trade deal that's a big deal in asia, that's another one. t >> they put out a report in january saying it was negligible. what's the argument from the

white house that these delays are not political? >> well, the argument is that there is a court decision in nebraska that sort of invalidated the route they planned for keystone. now that the decision has been made, they need to rethink it. if you're like chuck, there is a cynical lens through which to view this. they do want to put this off until after november. there is a huge donor base in the democratic party that wants them not to do this. from everything i hear and read, you get the sense that president obama himself does not want to do this. that he sees the environmental impact as problematic. the state department report says there was nothing because they thought the plan would go through. i think the president says i need to put my foot down with respect to climate change and environmental policies. you see that with the epa regulations they're likely to unveil. this is a line in the sand he doesn't want to cross. but people are dragging him as

well. >> we've buried the most important foreign policy story this morning. i'm embarrassed we haven't gotten to it. asamo the robot with the -- >> i thought you were going bieber on me. because bieber is somewhere in tokyo apparently. so watch out. >> chuck, were you in the room with the president and the robot? take us inside. >> i wish i was. a little scary there with the robot. by the way, come on. the president's hanging with robots in japan and the styx music was not playing. but i will hesitate. i will resist doing that cheap joke on that front. by the way, i think it was kind of a scary robot. don't you think? >> the video is beyond awkward. >> i felt bad for the guy. >> come on. this is one of those rules -- by the way, this is one of those rules the president, i think this is the second time we've

seen him interact with robots. he got matza from a robot in israel on a trip we were on. this time it's a soccer playing robot. the president does have a no helmet rule. he refuses to put on hats or helmets. that's all the michael dukakis lessons from candidates and presidents. i think interacting with robot is going to become a new no-no. >> this is going to be in a flaming lips video some time. >> where's the styx references, i expected that from you, joe. >> josh green thank you very much. >> there's the kick. >> the success issue hits stands now. sam stein, thank you as well. chuck todd, we'll be watching "the daily rundown" later this morning. up next, we'll take a look at elizabeth warren's path to washington. how her past has played a role in her fight for the middle class. our conversation with the u.s. senator is next.

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♪ all right. earlier this week we sat down with senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts. that was nice, wasn't it? >> fascinating. did you give her a check for her campaign yet? >> no, no, i didn't. stop that. she's not running. >> you know she's running. >> you can't say she's running. she's not running. >> you two plan this all out? >> she's not running for anything. except the middle class. we discussed the details from her new book. it's called "a fighting chance." >> do i have to call her madam president? >> oh, stop. don't go david muir on me.

>> you told me i had to call her madam president. >> it's just a feeling i have and it's nothing she would talk about today, quite frankly. we're here to talk about your book. how are you? >> i'm doing great, thank you. >> reading this i learned about you as a person and what formed you. but the interesting strain that starts a little bit as your adult life is just beginning, this obsession, this mad obsession with bankruptcy. you were obsessed. you never let go. you were like a jack russell holding onto -- >> what happened. >> i'd like a bigger dog. >> tell me where it came from. >> i think it came from the fact that like a lot of families, you know, we grew up on the ragged edge of the middle class. had some good years, but also had some really, really tough years. you know, those are things that change a child. and so all the way through my life i've worried about money.

i've worried about what happens to good people who work hard, who play by the rules and then just get smacked by serious financial reversal. >> joe, you know, there's a part of her childhood that reminds me a lot of mary jo because her -- >> my mom. >> i think it was a station wagon her mother drove. it would stop and she'd get out a metal rod and start it again and just keep going. and then one day that car was gone. >> yeah. yeah. so i was 12. my daddy was selling carpet. and my three brothers were all gone. i was the baby. my mother used to call me the surprise. >> accident? >> i was about 30 before i could tell you what that meant. >> we all three have something in common at this table then. >> we're all accidents. surprise. >> i was a surprise. my three brothers at this point are off in the military.

and my daddy had a heart attack. and a long period of time, no work. the bills pile up. and my mom had this bronze station wagon. a big ole thing. she always picked me up every day from school in it. and one day she picks me up in this little beat up studebaker my daddy used to drive back and forth to work. and i got in the car and i said where's the station wagon and my mother is holding onto the steering wheel and says, it's gone. i'm a 12-year-old kid. i kept saying gone? gone where? she said it's gone and finally she explained they couldn't pay for it and now it was gone. and what i remember from that was not just losing something. it was my mother's face. and her knuckles on the steering

wheel. her life as she had known it was just turning upside down. she was 50 years old. she'd never worked outside the home. and now all the pieces were breaking apart. >> she actually had to go back to work. and you remember her getting ready. i think that was the day you grew up. >> yeah. that's how i think of it. so we lost the car, the bills were piled up. and one day i go upstairs and i hear my mother in her bedroom. i walked in and her best black dress was laid out on the bed. and i thought at first, who died. you know? she wore that dress for 15 years for funerals and weddings, i guess, and i thithings. when you look at your mother and you know you've asked enough questions. and she's crying and rubbing her eyes. and finally she reaches down to pull this dress an own she

starts pulling it across her shoulders and over her hips. and it's too tight. and so gets it on and she's still trying. and she starts working that side zipper up and holds her breath. he finally gets it to the top. pulls on her heels and turns around everyone looks at me. and she says how do i look. i was 12. almost as tall as she was. and i looked her straight back in the eye and i said you look great. really. and she walked out the door, applied for a minimum wage job at sears and got it. it was enough to save our home. and we made it on through. >> how did that -- how does that experience, the fact that you were raised on the ragged edge of the middle class as you say, how did that impact you in 2008,

2009 when you saw the economy collapse and you were asked to come in and help millions of people that were suffering a similar fate? >> you know, joe, you put it exactly the right way. i tell the story all the way through the book of how we got there and how i start working on as a young teacher and doing research about families who go broke. and starting to understand good people who've just been hit hard by medical problems, by job losses, by family breakups. and then starting to watch how the banking industry, the big bank bs. started figuring out their profit model was how to trick families, how to trap families. and then they started taking all those mortgages that tricked people, putting them into packages and selling them out like boxes of grenades with the pins already pulled out. they then blew up the entire

american economy. that's when i tell the story in the book about being asked to come in during the bailout of the big financial institutions. it nearly killed me. because what happened all tloutz that bailout, it was always about how to save the biggest financial institutions. not about how to save american families. >> i have members of my family who have declared bankruptcy and it sounds so shameful. and what you discover when you sat in court and watched the people come in. and instead of listening to the judge, you looked at the e people who came in the room. you did this as part of a study for a book you were working on. and what you saw were regular americans. some of them with the most heart breaking reasons that they would put on their questionnaires as to why they declared bankruptcy including one that just said stupid, stupid, stupid. >> yeah.

you know, this was one of the hardest parts about doing this work. is to see people -- i so much wanted to believe when i went into this work that these were all people that went to the mall and charged up a bunch or had made bad choices. >> i felt that way. i learned so much over life, but reading this about what bankruptcy means. >> and the research we did. i mean, hard research. talking to thousands of families about this over time, getting lots and lots of hard information about what happened. but to see within that how much people blamed themselves. are we going to be a country that's going to build real opportunities? opportunities for our kids. opportunities not just for those who have already made it big, but for those who made it to the fancy places. but opportunities for everybody else. that happens or doesn't happen depending on the decisions we make as a country. and we can either decide. hey, let the rich and powerful

run washington. or we can decide, no. our voices are going to be heard and we're going to run this country to make sure that every kid gets a fighting chance. >> i wish there were more elizabeth warren to hear. because that was great. >> well, actually, it's funny you should say that. >> really? >> stay tuned for the second part of our interview with senator warren who gives her assessment of where big banks stand today. up next "the confidence code" has sparked a discussion on women in the workplace. but what's the next step? we've got the perfect person to talk to about that. co-author of the great book "the confidence code" katty kay. more "morning joe" when we return. ♪ ♪ ♪ as part of your service, we did a 27-point inspection on your chevy, you got new tires and our price match guarantee. who's this little guy? that's birney. oh, i bet that cone

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all right. katty kay. plenty of conversation. >> a lot of fighting. willie and i. bar fight broke out because we were talking about "the confidence code". >> really? >> pool cues were flying. >> it has prompted a conversation, but not bar fights as far as i know. >> where you have not been where we have been when we talk about

female empowerment. >> "the confidence code" looks at how to fix the gaps in the workplace. i'm more interested, though, you talk about millennials and the younger generation and graduates seniors. and what they could have that we could have used 20, 30, 35 years ago. i'm trying to think. i'm 47. a long time ago. >> all those things it took a long time to learn. how not to carry criticism around with us, how to be able to risk a little bit more and fail a bit more. wouldn't it be great if those women who are leaving college now recognized the real rules of the workforce, the rules change. >> how did they change? >> for women the school environment really suits us. we put our heads down, color inside the lines, we are superstars and perfect. and then we get out in the real world and something else is

needed. and what's needed is confidence. that's what young women need to develop to get ahead. >> what i've found because i've taken a different angle of the topics we cover with negotiating, but what i found with young women and i'm wondering what you did in the research for "the confidence code" is they have to get clear what this message is we're sending them. it's one thing to be confident and to find that voice and speak up and take risks and make mistakes. it's another thing to be entitled. it's another thing walking in saying i'm going to run the place. young women do get that mixed up. >> yeah, they do get that mixed up. although most of the research seems to show most young women are still underestimates their abilities compared to young men. the other thing is feeling that confidence has to look like guys. that if you walk into a room and behave like a man and you have that -- you dominate every meeting and have that bravado,

it doesn't work well. we know this. you would never do it, joe, i'm sure. speak loudest or longest. >> no. willie? >> do you think a 22-year-old woman graduating college today has more of the confidence you're talking about than, say, when i graduated college almost 20 years just because of the advancements being made, senators and ceos being women positive role models, you think they have more swagger than they used to? >> we assumed when the started doing the research that would be the case. but anecdotally and all the studies suggest it hasn't changed much. for young women there is still definitely a confidence gap. women saying i felt like an imposter. the class was too hard. coming out on top but still not believing in their ability to succeed. i don't think the young women have cracked the code yet. i wish they could.

>> so there are some women who are exceptions to this rule who are brash -- come out brash and tough and brimming with confidence, and it's not an act. and i'm just curious. i'm just curious, what -- what's important in the home for parents? what has your research found? what can parents do. i've got a 10-year-old daughter. what can parents do to make their daughters confident, strong, and all the things that your book is trying to teach women in the workforce today? >> it's more subtle than it was 20 years ago. women brought up thinking they could be anything they want. but there is still a stress on young girls in schools and homes to be good, to be perfect, to play by the rules, to be a little bit less risk taking even

physically than their brothers. girls are still dropping out of competitive sports at a much higher rate than young boys are. those are the things parents need to be aware of. that quest for perfection in young girls is the thing that kills a woman's confidence when she wants to put her hand up and ask for a raise, go for a promotion that seems a little bit out of reach. the kind of things women are holding back from have roots in trying to get our girls to be good. >> their quest for perfection, it's got to stop. >> it's huge. >> a great graduation gift, the book is "the confidence code." thank you. up next, she's covered some of the biggest names in music from mick jagger to lady gaga and kanye west. lisa robertson joins us next. ♪ dad, why are you getting that? is there a prize in there?

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go backstage and sort of hang out on a filthy set with the ra moans. >> who started punk. who basically -- you know, was it the new york dolls? was it the ramons? >> i think it was the new york dolls. they were the wittiest, chiccest, most fun amazing underappreciated. >> underappreciated. unbelievable. >> and then they self-destructed because it was a time of a lot of drugs. the reason i called the book "there goes gravity" wasn't so much everyone was falling down. it was a lyric from an eminem song. it means no rules apply. >> got to ask. who was your favorite? let me ask you this way. who were you the most nervous getting in front of for the first time no interview. john lennon in '73?

or were you just a part of the fabric of it? >> i was a new york girl who snuck out of my house when i was very young to go see jazz musicians like miles davis. so when i met rock and roll musicians, i wasn't intimidated by them. i felt we were all sort of in this together. and the first time i met mick jagger, i said those are the tackiest shoes i ever saw. they were like these rhinestone studded shoes. i wasn't scared of any of them. >> what was your -- tell us about john and yoko. first interviewed them in '73. >> i first interviewed them at their apartment in 1973. it really was an interview with yoko for an album she did. she was pleased i was writing about her. she wanted a woman to talk to her. and we spoke for quite a long time about her album which had 22 songs on it. and i think when she felt i had paid her the appropriate

respect, she brought john out. i talk a lot about this in the book. it was like he came out from a back room like he was dessert. >> there's one here with you, keith richards. there are time stamps on this. but you have them saying in the 21st century. >> yes. because we couldn't remember. everybody remembers a lot of this stuff differently. i have 45,000 cassette interviews. i have storage spaces with all my notes. i did not take drugs during this time, so i live to tell the tale. and i remember pretty much everything except some of the dates on the pictures. it's true. >> the book is "there goes gravity." you can read an excerpt on our site. lisa robertson, thank you so much. great having you on. >> mika, i need to hear some of the cassettes. we need to do more with you. let's talk after and do a

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who is here with plans to invest in science, technology, and math, stem. >> tell us what you're doing. >> we've put $100 million in the last three years in the united states in education. we are upping that technology investing in science, technology, engineering and math. >> how is it used? >> we're working with a number of great partners focusing on engineering design, making it a lot more accessible to students, ensuring that students have that hands-on opportunity. we're working with partners like partners lead the way, the fab foundation, tech bridge, achieve.

>> were they high school students, college students? what's the focus if. >> our investments run the pipeline of education. we're working primarily at the middle school and high school level. organizations like project lead the way, they recognize you've got to lead the way and get the kids interested young women, particularly young women. there's a big focus to make sure we get more girlsin ga iengaged. >> it's a whole myth that girls aren't as good in engineering. look at you. >> two of our top eight executives at chevron are women. they've been with our countrymp their entire careers.

i took two years in calculus, went on to college and didn't continue on with that science interest. we're trying to get working with those girl early. role models are incredibly important. >> and maybe change their perception of what these courses are. >> exactly. there's a lot of creativity and problem solving in engineering. there's a lot you can do to go on and become what you want in science, technology, engineering and math. >> tom, a how were you in science and technology? >> i stunk. i wrote a lot of answers on the back of my tie. >> i should have thought of that one. thank you so much and congratulations. it a great announcement. >> the nuns never looked there. >> coming up, a nevada rancher

is at the center of a media circus after he refused to pay grazing fees but you won't believe how he's using that spotlight. >> it's not good at all.

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michael dean and kevin crowley. a week-long trip will take him to four different countries. he arrived yesterday in tokyo. caroline kennedy, the new u.s. ambassador to japan greeted the president at the airport. he had dinner with japan's prime minister at a famous sushi restaurant, where the average meal costs $400. president obama gave it a glowing review. >> thank you. that's some good sushi right there. it terrific. thank you so much. >> that's one way to put it. it better be good. the two leaders talked about the trade agreements and relations with china, but the crisis in ukraine quickly took center stage with the president sending a clear message to moscow. >> so far at least we have seen them not abide by the spirit or the letter of the agreement in geneva. instead we continue to see

militias and armed men taking over buildings. we have been preparing for the prospect that we're going to have to engage in further sanctions. those are teed up. >> russia warned of military actions if any of its citizens are attacked in ukraine. the foreign minister compares it to what happened in georgia in 2008. dana mil bank writes "overseas, obama projects a whole lot of nothing. nothing is wrong with an american president spreading goodwill and eating good sushy but the photo-on nature of the trip risks correcting to a perception that obama's asian policy and his foreign policy in general -- the problem is obama

doesn'troject weakness, it's that it doesn't project much of anything. what do you think, joe? >> you know, the president has over the past two or three weeks come under increasing criticism from a lot of foreign policy experts, katty kay, les gelb said this president needs to find his footing in foreign affairs because right now it's directionless. last week dr. brzezinski came on suggesting he's not doing enough in ukraine. jane harmon also critical. you're hearing and it not just

in the united states, i'm sure in britain overseas also you're hearing a rising chorus of critiques about this president's foreign policy that he just doesn't seem to have follow-through. >> you're hearing it from the foreign policy establishment but you have to counter that with the vast majority of the american public that doesn't want this president to be spending time abroad or engaged abroad or using american military assets abroad. after more than ten years of war, americans are very ready to come back home and this president realizes that. what he's trying to focus on is getting jobs and growth back here in america. he keeps getting drawn off course and maybe as president and commander in chief rather than letting himself get drawn off course by what happens in ukraine, but what happens in syria, by events in asia, he should be shaping some of those event, that would mean america being more pro active, by what your dad suggested last week, mika, perhaps giving some kind

of arms to the ukrainian government but there's very little appetite for that. >> the countritiques come from e who don't want to see troops on the ground. there are some critiques he's not pushing hard enough for at that. it's more of a general critique of the president. is it fair or not? >> i think -- i'm going to fully defend the president on this stuff. i think he's doing exactly the right thing. first of all, the sanctions that he's proposing are devastating. they've destroyed iran's economy. they've put them on putin's own bank. if they put the sanctions in, it going to be a very big deal. katty's right, there's no appetite for a military intervention. at some point me may well arm the ukrainians but this is not the right time. i think he's being measured, he

has a plan and i think his trip to japan is very important given what just happened where the chinese violated the postwar agreement and seized two japanese vessels to claim reparations. that's clearly against the postwar agreement, it held up for 70 years. i think the president is measured and doing great job. >> an update on the ferry disaster. school is back in session in south korea. where many of the victims went to class, the death toll has, seeded 150. more than 140 remain missing, many of whom are students that the school. officials say cargo on the ship weighed three times the maximum recommended weight. they also say the ship had a faulty steering system, which may have made the cargo quickly move to one side, causing the ship to capsize and sink. this is basic stuff. prosecutors say they're

investigating if safety inspectors were bribed to say the ferry was safe to operate. >> you know, katty, right now this is obviously for a lot of reasons, this is causing a lot of south koreans extraordinary angst and introspection. "new york times" had a story yesterday about there is sort of this attitude in south korea hurry, hurry, explosive growth, very little regulation, a lot bribery. in this case, not on did you have three times the cargo weight. this ferry had also added additional beds and sleeping areas that would make it more likely to capsize. and -- >> oh. >> and the tragedy is obvious here. and it is, this could be a disaster that's going to change the way they look at regulation in south korea, not just for this industry but for all industries. >> and 11 of the members of the

crew now have been arrested. the captain who wasn't on the bridge at the time managed to get off. and a lot of questions about why the crew abandoned all of those children on the ship. the divers tragically saying there's no air left inside there so anyone in there, those children will have been killed. there has to be now, joe, an investigation into in the interests of growth and getting things done and circumvents rules in order to get things done, did the country risk the lives of those children. >> we've had some major nautical disasters in the last few years. there was the italian ship that went up on the reef. airlines gets inspected generally. we've been lucky and haven't had a major air disaster for a long time. why aren't the naval vessels inspected? even the cruise ships, every

year there's a major epidemic and hundreds get sick. what is the matter with this industry? we don't inspect enough? what is it? >> it has to go to oversight, doesn't it? >> i guess. >> at the end of the day airlines are obviously regulated. there's a reason why air crashes are down significantly. >> the creuise line industry is heavily regulated. we hear about it when there's an epidemic on a cruise ship. taking a cruise is a choice. we have to take an airplane. no one says i'm not going to get on an airplane. you still have to take them. it's different with a cruise ship. >> other news, this is hard to believe. nevada rancher cliven bundy has found plenty of anti-government activists and pundits -- >> a lot of people from all over the country have gone there. i've heard it's about freedom. >> right. >> i've heard that having a

right that no other rancher in america has is this one rancher's god-given right because of the constitution of the united states. actually, i think -- if i'm not mistaken, willie, i'm not good on this, is it -- >> help us out, will. >> you go to the federalist papers, is it 14 or 37 where they inscribe the bundy family name into the federalist papers? >> "i abide by all the united states laws but i don't recognize the united states government as even existing." >> this is man that some self-described conservatives, i said a week or two ago there's nothing conservative about this man, have embraced. this is where nihilism against the federal government as a

basis of your ideology gets you in trouble every time. i'm not going to draw a parallel there. there is another figure a lot of so-called conservatives race to a year or two ago and he gets arrested three, four times for beating up girl friends and wives. >> new comments by bundy in a front page story in the "new york times" will undoubtedly leave some of his supporters with buyers remorse, if they have even half of a pea in their brain. bundy refused to pay the government more than $1 million in grazing frees for using government lands. armed militias have come to his standoff. the bureau of land management eventually backed off a court order to confiscate his cattle. bundy has used the attention to hold daily news conferences to

discuss his news on government overreach, welfare and race. according to the "times", a front page story today, in a recent talk bundy launched into a tirade on african-american families, using a racial slur and adding, quote, this: they were basically on government subsidy. now what do they do? they abort their young children and they put their young men in jail because they never learned to pick cotton. i've often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life or are they better off under government subsidy? they didn't get more freedom, they got less freedom. there are more. would you like me to read them? >> this is a whack job. >> the bigger problem is i risk

actually despite the blatant racism here being hammered for being the only conservative -- self-described conservative on set talking about this but i'm going to talk about it. this has happened before, it happened when conservatives raced blindly to put their arms around george zimmerman, a man who gets in all these troubles because they basically pick their friends based on who their, quote, friend's enemies are. here in this case you have a lot of people in conservative media that have so-called -- and i put that in quotes, quotation marks, that have raced to this guy's defense. they must be feeling very exposed this morning. >> well, they deserve what they get. it was so obvious that this guy was unhinged and not somebody who should be elevated and

celebrated. he's obviously a nut and those quotes are despicable. i feel like we're all so jaded now. you hear some variation of everything these days. but still, that really turned my stomach. but, you know, guys like this and it's the same thing with ted nugent are doing a favor to the left and doing a favor to the democrats to the extent that there are interesting intellectually credible strains of conservative thought about limits of government authority, people like this get associated with them, completely discredit them and make them look ridiculous. joe, you remember the mid 1990s, those house republicans suffered dearly from the way bill clinton and the democrats were able to link gingrich and some of your colleagues to the militia nuts out west and characters like the branch davidians and it was devastating. i'm not saying that mainstream

washington conservatives really have anything to do with this guy. to the extent that conservative media and some conservative activists have elevated this guy and they're going to get what they deserve getting. >> coming up, she's one of the prominent voices in the democratic party. more from our interview with elizabeth warren. then we go behind the scenes. i can't believe how fun this is. >> you're excited about this. >> we go behind "veep" with tim simons. >> but first -- >> no one believes his forecast. >> so i forgot to tell you guys it was going on cold in chicago. we all make mistakes. yesterday, we saw severe weather in texas and impressive hale in oklahoma. that looks like dime, maybe some

golf ball size hail in there. who is at risk of seeing severe weather, maybe a few tornadoes? we're looking still in oklahoma. thee storms formed early this morning. they're continuing to head off to arkansas. those aren't severe but later today we get the heating of the day and we're going to see a little more moisture added to the storm and the slight risk gets from mississippi, down to memphis, to little rock and pine bluffs. they could see damaging winds with strong thunderstorms through your afternoon. st. louis one of those spots, too. you went from yesterday kind of cloudy and cool. today is going to be a little bit warmer. of course you will have a chance of some storms. also, the pacific northwest won't stop raining. it's one of the wettest springs we've ever had around seattle. so warmest spot in the country, going to be there in phoenix today around 91. much of the west looks okay today in california.

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let's take a look at the morning papers. from our parade of papers, "the los angeles times." the fda will begin regulating

e-cigarettes today, banning sales to anyone under 18. e-cigarette manufacturing would have to register with the fda and be subject to inspections by the agency. >> a new law opens up bars, schools, churches and many government buildings to licensed gun owners. governor deal signs what is called the most expensive gun bill. he's going to authorize school districts to appoint staffers to carry firearms. >> the "san jose mercury news." the father of a boy who rode to hawaii in the wheel well of a plane said the boy's grandparents live in africa and say the son has had a hard time adjusting since moving to california four years ago. >> and animal rights group peta is looking to create a temporary

memorial. this is important. this is something, willie, that we've talked about for quite some time. a temporary memorial to honor hundreds of turkeys that were killed in a truck crash. >> peta is asking iowa transportation officials for permission to build a -- [ laughter ] >> willie, can you take this for us? >> they want to build a ten-foot tombstone at the site of the accident. peta plans to use the memorial to promote a meat-free diet and safe driving at the same time. >> mama take this drum stick off of me. >> "the telegraph" -- >> we eat them. my mother chopped the head off of our two geese lemon and lucius and we had them for dinner. is that bad? >> i think that's what people

have been doing for thousands and thousands of years. a 77-year-old man is lucky to be alive after barely escaping being hit by a train. surveillance video shows the man running across the railroad, crossing as the speeding train approaches -- the train did hit him actually, sending his shoe flying. what in the world? miraculously, the guy gets up and he walks away. >> wow! >> he only has a minor leg injury but he does face a $125 fine for crossing the barricade. willie, did you see last week -- >> senator blumenthal? >> what?

what happened to him in. >> he did have the easel with the visual aid right up along the track. >> is he okay? >> let's back that off the yellow line, senator. >> it's actually scary. >> look at this. whoa! he reaches for it. >> he's fine. simmer down. >> no simmering down, willie. >> that's a little different. >> cat-like quickness. >> that is cat-like quickness. >> he is so nice, by the way. you see that guy? boom. >> what you got, willie? >> this is very special. joining from us washington, the chief national correspondent for the "new york times" magazine, mark liebovitz. >> he's back in black. >> he's got a new story titled "the real house candidates of beverly hills," it's about the battle for california's 33rd congressional district.

it's very leibovichian, if that's a turn. henry waxman has head the seat for something like 40 years. he's stepping aside. it's opened up this incredible cast of characters that want to fill the seat. >> there's this pent-up demand to send whoever to congress. you have 18 candidates, this great eclectic mix of political posers and your assorted cast of vegans and botox group, et cetera. i spent a few days out there and surveyed them. it should be a fascinating race. marion williamson, the self-help author has a pretty good chance of winning. >> you say there's one candidate who seems to be enjoying this the most. tell bus him. >> his name is brent rosky. he's a producer.

he has a lot of support from the white house. it's not the current white house or any non-fiction white house, it's the white house of "the west wing." toby is a friend of his, president bartlett is a friend of his, c.j. is a friend of him. in hollywood, fantasy land, there's this great melding of real and fake. i don't think he'll win, he's refusing to raise money. he's promising to have a reality tv camera or crew to accompany him to washington after he's elected. he has a documentary being made of his campaign. i'd be shocked if he got more than 1% or 2% of the vote. it's recreation for some and more serious for some. >> marion williamson, the self-help guru, the spokesman

suggested the term thought leader. >> choose your word very carefully. >> she's supported by, among others, the kardashians, the caty perry, alanis morriset and nicole richie. >> yes, sir and dennis kucinich is also supporting her. she has some slice of celebrity report. wendy greuel has the support of rob reiner, ed begley, jr. the reiner endorsement is very, very big throughout for those voters asking the question what would meat head do i guess, right? >> mark leibovich, thank you, mark. >> coming up, elizabeth warren and part two of our interview with the massachusetts senator. "morning joe" will be right back.

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now for the second part of our interview with senator elizabeth warren, who breaks down the success of big banks today. >> as you know, we come from different sides of the

ideological divide. i'm a very conservative, small government guy who worshiped ronald reagan. i remember being in a political science class and somebody in the front, also a conservative, saying, well, if somebody wants to find a job, they can always find a job. i remember driving around the south with my dad a guy who for a year and a half played by all the rules, got smashed in the 70s in the recession couldn't find a job in a year and a half. it really is life changing. when you're surrounded by all of these people that never had that experience, it had to be maddening for you as they were scurrying to help the five most powerful, six most powerful wall street banks instead of reaching out for those people, those democrats, those republicans, those independence who were all suffering in large part through no fault of their own. >> that's where you pick it back up then in the book about where we then ended up.

so now we live in a world where those biggest financial institutions through 2008, the ones we were told were too big to fail, they're 38% larger than they were. >> we always talk about how too big to fail has gotten bigger. 38% more deposits? >> bigger, more control, more assets, more market share, more profits, every way you look at it, the big have gotten bigger. >> why? >> they have gotten bigger because the game in washington is rigged. it's rigged to work for those who can hire armies of lobbyists and lawyers. those ceos, they keep walking around washington halls of power, blocking regulations they don't like, pushing on the regulatory agencies, breaking the law and yet nobody goes to jail. >> so explain this to our views. >> that's not right. >> george w. bush with

republicans and democrats helped put together this bailout, this wall street bailout. >> yup. >> republicans went along with it, democrats went along with it. most viewers would think, okay, you elect this hope and change democrat, you've got for a while a filibuster-proof senate, you've got a massive democratic advantage in the house of representatives -- >> for a while. >> for a while, right. and yet the big banks just kept getting bigger. it's enough for americans to think there's just not a big difference between the two parties when it comes to standing up to wall street. is that fair? >> so look, this is how i look at this. i've never made any secret out of my disagreements with both administrations in how much they gave in to the big financial institutions and how much they helped them during this crisis. but at the same time, i always want to give credit. i had an idea for a consumer financial protection bureau that

would help level the playing field, would stop the cheating -- >> but you got pushed out of that because wall street didn't want you there. >> let me finish the key point, though. we got that agency through and a law because president obama fought for it while every republican was lined up against it. >> and then you got thrown under the bus. >> well, what happened is that the republicans -- the big banks look, they fought that agency start to finish. and like i talk about in the book, they were spending more than $1 million a day lobbying against financial reform. and so they -- after we got it through and the fight about how we got it through is actually a lot of energy, but we got that agency through, i talk about that, but we got the agency through and here was the key, they didn't give up. so the big financial institutions are saying she can't run it, the republicans

are saying she can't run it, the president says -- >> she can't run it. >> let me ask you. you said you made no secret about your disdain for either party in terms of this problem. isn't that why you're not heading up the consumer protection bureau today? >> let's put it this way. it worked out. there's somebody great running the consumer financial protection bureau. i'm not here who run the agency. i get to end up with the honor of representing the people of the commonwealth of massachusetts. here's the best part. now i'm in the united states senate and on the banking committee and in a pretty darn good place to protect that consumer agency. >> everyone asks if you're running for president. i think it's a silly question at this point because you're not going to say. but let me put it this way, from reading your book, you're running for something. you're running for something in terms of looking for a place in this country where you can make a difference on the issue of protecting consumers. and it was your own husband who

said just take the job at harvard, just go because you need to do something. i think it was when you were yelling at the radio, yelling at joe is better than yelling at a radio on the dash board of a car. i mean, you have a platform. >> i've moved up. >> you've moved up. >> not really. it depends. >> my point is your husband was right. you needed to be heard by more than just a radio. >> mika, this is my life's work. it all starts where this book starts. i got a fighting chance growing up. my dad was a maintenance man, my mom worked a minimum wage job. i ended up in the united states senate and i did that in part because i went to a commuter college that cost $50 a semester. i went to a public law school. america was investing in our kids then. it was growing an economy. now what's happening is the game is rigged. it is set up in washington so that the rich will get richer, the more powerful will get more

powerful and everybody else gets left behind. i named this book "a fighting chance" because that's what it's really about for me. it's making sure everybody, every kid gets that fighting chance. >> that battle is a battle i'm kind of familiar with. i got to congress if the early 30s, i was a state school guy and i looked around in the big rooms where everybody was making the big decisions, just like the larry summers in your situation and all the other people that worked in the clinton administration, too, and they're all harvard, they're all yale, they were all in the same club. i would love my kids to go to harvard or yale or princeton or -- i'm not being anti-intellectual when i say this, but isn't it amazing how there is such a small club in washington and wall street and i'll say it people like yourself and myself who didn't go to the

same schools and know the same people are outsiders trying to punch their way in to make a difference. how frustrating is that for you? >> it's both hands. it's frustrating but at the same time it's empowering. i know exactly what i want to do. this is what really matters is that we can't have a country that's just run by a tight group of insiders. we can't have a country that just continues to work for billion dollar corporations that can protect all their tax loopholes and get rules that work for them and leave hard working families behind. this is not rocket science. we know what we need to do for our families. we know the ways that we build a middle class. we did it for 50 years. it's just that we're not doing it now. >> senator warren calls her crusade to protect the middle class a fight of a lifetime. her book is called "a fighting chance." still ahead, business for the

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staff. what's it like to being on the down side? jonah's been tortured all along. now you're like one of us, a media pariah. >> i'm going to be one of the leaders of the internet media game. i think from his perspective, he doesn't see it as a step down. he looks at it as i didn't get fired, i've been given a new opportunity. he's a man who can spin anything in his own brain to the positive because he's clueless. >> yeah, you're doing great, you're shooting your own show on your mother's iphone in the basement. that was one of the cleaner scenes we showed there. you guys are tasked with saying some really funny and risque things. >> i've always been a sweary person so i always appreciate

it. there is something like whenever i'm just out in regular life and i try to insult somebody, it's usually blunt and not very witty. there's something very shakespearean about what those guys are able to do with the language that's very witty. >> is there any jonah in you or are you becoming him? >> i think there is. >> you mean you're obnoxious and -- >> it would be me on my worst k day and then allowing myself to say something worse that anything i would say on my worst day. >> i'm sure you get recognized. do they say come on, stop portraying d.c. like this? >> we do really work hard to make sure the show is realistic. we've lost bits and gotten rid

of really funny stuff because it wouldn't realistically happening. most of the time i get people coming up to me and kmiz rating about the jonah they have in their office. >> what about the nickname, jonad, can i call you that? do you like that or no? >> it's an odd thing. people shouting that in the supermarket -- >> in the fruit aisle, they're looking for something. >> everyone hates washington and politicians. do you have any more sympathy for people in political life? >> since doing the series, i've had much less sympathy. >> you're really great at what you do. you make it so much fun. congratulations for all the

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welcome back to "morning joe." thomas, what have you learned today? >> i learned the most about sports today, that professional athletes can sweat pine tar. >> amazing how that happens. >> katty? >> the restaurant the president went to in tokyo. normally you have to book six months in advance. i reckon he got a bit of a pass. >> he probably did. >> mika, $400 per plate. if you want to pay less for restaurants in new york city, go to tokyo. >> there you go. i learned that elizabeth warren's new book "a fighting chance" is out now and it really, really good. >> and your throwing festivities -- >> "thrive" tonight, a few seats

less. it's going to be really, really fun. my mother's sculptures are going to blow everyone away. >> i saw pictures from yesterday. unbelievable. stick around, we have got "the daily rundown" with chris welker straight ahead. toast and jams, along with ceremonial celebrations hosted by japan's emperor, the first leg of the president's asia outreach urges china to change course and russia to ratchet back. and talking to carol