really, really good. >> and your throwing festivities -- >> "thrive" tonight, a few seats less. it's going to be really, really fun. my mother's sculptures are going to blow everyone away. >> i saw pictures from yesterday. unbelievable. stick around, we have got "the daily rundown" with chris welker straight ahead. toast and jams, along with ceremonial celebrations hosted by japan's emperor, the first leg of the president's asia outreach urges china to change course and russia to ratchet back. and talking to caroline about a

new tool, twitter. >> and good morning from washington. it's thursday, april 24, 2014. this is "the daily rundown ". i'm kristen walker in for my friend chuck todd. developing news in afghanistan where four americans have been shot and three killed at a charity hospital for children. the gunman was a security guard at the cure hospital in kabul. the guard shot the four americans, then shot himself in the chin before he was taken into custody. he targeted an american doctor and three hospital visitors. the doctor, a father, and his son were all killed. both the women had surgery at the same hospital and both are

stable. the taliban is not claiming responsibility. the cure hospital is run by a faith-based charity out of pennsylvania and treats 37,000 patients per year. >> and turning now to the president's four-nation asia trip, president obama is wrapping up a state dinner at japan's imperial palace, where he exchanged toasts with the emperor of japan. take a listen. >> it's been nearly 50 years since my mother first brought me to japan, but i have never forgotten the kindness that the japanese people showed me as a 6-year-old boy far away from home. it's also very humbling. i stand here as the 44th president of the united states. your majesty is the 125th emperor of japan. >> quite a contrast there. during his first full day in japan, the president was full of tough talk. he took on russia, admitting additional sanctions may not

change russian president putin's change but says the u.s. will be ready to levy them in days, not weeks. >> so far at least we have seen them not abide by the spirit or the letter of the agreement in geneva and instead we continue to see militias and armed men taking over buildings. we have been preparing for the prospect that we're going to have to engage in further sanctions. those are teed up. it requires technical work and coordination with other countries. >> a contested group of islands that china has claimed fall within the defense treaty before the u.s. and japan, though he stopped short of saying japan has sovereignty over those

islands. >> we don't take position position with sovereignty but historically they have been administered by japan. the treaty between the united states and japan preceded my birth so obviously this isn't a red line that i'm drawing. >> and diplomacy can be a bit quirky the president played soccer with a humanoid robot, who chatted with him in english, an experience obama called pretty impressive but also a little bit scary. >> hey, good job. >> i have learned how to jump. it was a pleasure meeting you, mr. president. enjoy the rest of your visit. >> impressive robot there.

chuck todd is in tokyo where he's traveling with the president. chuck, i'd love to get your thoughts about that robot but first to the news of course. ukraine president said if the u.s. does decide to levy enough sanctions against russia, they could come within days. this could all happen while he's still traveling throughout asia. what are your main takeaways from the day? >> what's interesting is he had to be pushed a few times, okay, is this decision imminent, what's going on here? he didn't quite come down and say sanctions were coming but he certainly was okay if that's the message putin was receiving. he pretty much said geneva's not working, russia doesn't seem to be abiding by it. but what seemed odd about his statement, for instance, when he said there's some technical issues we've got to do with the sanctions is that one would assume that they knew what the next set of sanctions were going to be two weeks ago. so they clearly are trying to

give putin every second they feel comfortable giving him to see if he'll take this off ramp or not, but they seem resigned, the president came across as resigned to the fact that he's probably not. so now what he seemed to be hinting at is they're in the negotiating phase on what to do next with the europeans. that was the other thing he made clear is that these sanctions are not as effective unless you have multiple countries on board. that of course has been the issue with sanctions and russia from the againing of this crisis. pu what was -- when you just take yesterday or today or whatever day it is comparing -- my apologies on that, we're at the end of the day, you guys are at the beginning, but the totality of his remarks yesterday was about being very blunt and tough and giving the japanese exactly what they wanted to hear about the islands and that the u.s. believe that any violation of their

sovereignty by china would trigger the u.s. defense pac. he was unequivocal about that. and then just being very blunt about what's happening next with russia. there was not in diplomatic dancing or his own exit ramps that he left himself. he was pretty straight forward. >> chuck, president obama heads to south korea next. what are we expecting next? and he obviously had some stern words for north korea ahead of that stop. >> he did have stern words. the question he got about north korea was do you have a warnling about north korea about making sure they're not being provocative? he basically said, hey, they've been doing this for decades. this is what they do. they use symbolic moments to try to get attention, whether it's when american is visiting south korea, that this is just what the north koreans do and he made

that point of saying the most isolated country in the world and they'll continue to be so. as for south korea, in many ways the goal the trip is similar to the goal they believe they accomplished here and in talking to the japanese side, they feel they've accomplished, which is to reassure theth south koreans that the americans do view them more important than china. japan and south korea are true allies. sometimes south korea and japan feel as though they're not getting that kind of talk from the americans every once in a while and they want to hear it, they want to hear that reassurance. so in many ways that's the president's challenge. i think he succeeded here in japan in making the japanese government feel reassured. that's his goal in south carolina. hanging over that visit is what's going on with the ferry disaster. the white house indicates that the president will be very mindful that the country is

going through this horrible disaster and this grieving process. >> certainly visiting at an incredibly challenging time. we'll talk to you more about your sit-down interview with ambassador caroline kennedy. >> turning to headlines here at home, expect more backlash today on the supreme court's decision to allow michigan to ban affirmative action in its public universities. activists plan to rally at the university of michigan to get admissions officers to drop act and s.a.t. test scores. meanwhile, attorney general eric holder took a swipe at the supreme court's decision noting one of the dissenting opinions. >> as justice sonia soto mayor

said yet, we not wish away rather than confront the racial inequality that exists in our society. >> up next, teed up and teed off. we've got the very latest on the uptick in tension between russia and the u.s. and president putin pushing back this morning at president obama's threat of new sanctions. we'll have the very latest. for a quick break, a look ahead at today's planner. the first lady pay as visit tonight "parks and recreation." europe not going to want to miss that. i wish.

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and we're back now with more on the tense showdown over ukraine. russian president vladimir putin is responding to president obama's threat of new sanctions, saying they would destroy the global economy and reflect badly on those implementing them. now, as we mentioned earlier, president obama himself acknowledged the sanctions may not stop moscow from meddling in ukraine's affairs. putin described ukraine's counterterrorism efforts as a punitive operation and it will of course incur consequences for the people making these decisions. his comments came as we learned of new bloodshed in ukraine just this morning. it leaves two and maybe as many as five russian pro-separatists may have been killed.

for weeks the concern has been that putin massed 40,000 soldiers on the border, to sweep in if he feels russian sympathizers are under threat. initially soldiers seized a check point but later withdraw. bobby, thanks for joining me. i appreciate it. >> any time, kristen. >> i want to get to president obama's latest threat of new sanctions. he says they are teed up, if the u.s. decides to move forward, they could come within a matter of days. putin doesn't seem to be dissuaded or moved at all by another round of sanctions. could more sanctions actually change what's happening there in ukraine? >> actually, what putin needs to hear is those same words but spoken by angela merkel or the

european leaders because those are his main trading partners. russia's business with the u.s., russia's trading ties with the u.s. are not insubstantial, but they are puny compared with its ties with europe. sanctions alone will hurt and it will hurt some of the billionaires who make up his inner circle, but it won't make a significant dent to russia's immediate economic situation until the europeans join in. so president obama's greatest challenge right now is to persuade the europeans to go along with him on economic sanctions. that's going to be hard. the europeans need russian gas, as we've been saying for a couple months, they need russia to buy european goods and services and the european economy is hurting and they can't really afford a big hit that sanctions in russia would deliver to both russia of course but also to europe. and that's the nub of the problem. and putin knows it.

so harsh words from the american president i think are water off his back at the moment. >> i want to turn to this anti-terrorism campaign that ukraine is launching. there have been some deaths overnight. i want to play some sound from sergey lavrov and get your reaction on the other side. take a listen. >> if we are attacked, we would certainly respond. if our interests, legitimate interests, the interests of russians have been attacked directly like they were in southeast asia, for example, i don't see any other way but to respond in full accordance with international law. >> bobby, it seems like the situation just continues to escalate. do you anticipate that it is on the verge of becoming an actual regional war? are we at that point yet? >> i think the first danger is a civil war within ukraine. the key thing about these anti-terror operation that you

are reporting is that after taking that check point, ukrainian forces withdrew. that tells me that they are not really interested or they realize that they can't win in an open war against russia. so this was a symbolic gesture, going into slavyanask, between one and five pro-separatists were killed and then the ukrainian withdrew. the governor of kiev is trying to be assertive without getting the russian bear -- giving the russians an excuse to roll those tanks across the border. the trouble, though, is that this is on a hair trigger and it would take very, very little for it to turn into a war. a civil war within ukraine first between russian speakers and ukrainian speakers and then if a civil war like that takes place, then russia will almost certainly get involved. what we heard from lavrov there

is he's giving himself, he's giving russia the sort of -- by citing international law, he's giving himself an excuse as well. if it comes to that, he can say and putin can say we've been warning you about this all along. >> bobby, we're almost out of time but quickly i want to turn to the middle east. we've learned of a unity pact between hamas and the plo, infuriating israelis. they say this is a sign that the palestinians are not serious about moving forward with the peace talks. is this a sign that the peace talks are effectively dead at this point? >> the peace talks have been dead for several weeks now. anybody paying close attention has known that. whether this unity will hold we shall see. there have been attempts before that haven't gone very far but it's clearly a new reality on the ground now that everybody from john kerry to the palestinians to, israelis that they have to recognize that this is new reality on the ground and

any further talks will have is to stop on this basis. there's no way of unbreaking that particular egg. >> bobby, "time" magazine, thank you. >> any time. >> and let's look now at the first number in today's data bank. $300,000. that's how much the conservative group americans for prosperity paid for an ad hitting democratic senator mark udall on the health care law. but it's safe to say that it didn't buy the kind of headline the group backed by the koch brothers was looking for. that's because democrats pounced on the ad because of the use of an image of president obama and udall standing together after the araura shooting.

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in today's "tdr 50," we head back out west. the see the rockies in montana right behind me, a nice shot there. we go to check out a rare breed, the prairie populists. it's the kind of politician we used to see a whole lot more of. tom daschle of associate, all gone now from the u.s. senate. after this term, two more populists from west of the

mississippi river, tom harkin and tim johnson will also ride off into the sunset. but the ideology can still be a path to victory. the elections of heidi hidecamp and george tester prove that. popularity has big guy in big sky company. just ask john shuster. he spoke at the dnc in 2008 and again in 2012 when some would say he used what some called his folksy brand of politics to slam mitt romney. >> here's the one that got the burr under my saddle. he quadrupled the fee for a gun license.

well, now maybe -- just maybe that's okay for a guy who hunts varmins, but for the rest of us, that dog don't hunt! >> right now montana senator, john walsh, the man appointed to finish max baucus' term is coming up against republican steve dans. he's already got the job but it's tough to tell from his ad since he hasn't rolled out a new one since a week after being appointed. >> washington is broken. too many put themselves, their party, the special interests ahead of us. but i understand what courage really is. it's going to take a lot more than smear ads to deter me from taking on washington. >> joining me now, two-time

democratic governor of montana, brian sweitzer. thanks for joining me governor. i appreciate it. >> good to be on. >> so he was appointed back in february, giving him name recognition but making it more difficult for him to run as an outsider. how do you see his strategy unfolding? and does this cut both ways that he was actually appointed? >> understand montana politics, you need to know during the last 60 years, 16 presidential elections, only one democrat has got to 50%, that was lbj. clinton won montana with 37% because old big ear, remember that, perot, he got 25% in montana. let's get to john walsh and the senate race. if the election were held today, steve dains would probably win it. this is a low-information election right now. people don't really know john walsh and they don't know steve

dains. john bolinger and dirk adams are in the primary. if the primary were held today, it would be too close to call. and i suspect walsh might pull this out. if a general election were held today, i think dains gets to about 50% and probably walsh gets to about 40%. but a lot can change between now and election. they are still introducing themselves. john walsh is a good guy. i appointed him agitant general in iraq. i think people won't forget that about john walsh. >> you're a democrat saying you think the republican right now has the best chance of winning this senate race. what is your message to john walsh? what does his message need to be in montana to win this election and help democrats hold on to

the senate? if they lose this race, they could lose the senate. >> he has to continue to be the outsider. because i got to tell you that congress is about as popular as a docockroach right now in montana. steve dains has been a member of congress, he's voted with paul ryan and in a recent measurement, he's the most conservative congressman that montana has ever sent to washington, d.c. and we usually pick people at about the 50 yard line in montana. so dains has turned pretty far to the right. i think walsh has got a real shot. now, remember that this is a low-information election right now. they really don't know steve dains and they don't really know john walsh and john bolinger. but as the election gets closer, they'll be able to introduce

themselves. dains was born in california and spent most of his career in china outsourcing job. john walsh is a butte guy, and nobody can take at that away from john walsh. >> talk to me about populism. do you see this as a winning message on the national stage? >> dang tootin'. i won reelection in 2008 with 65% plus of the vote. why? because i was good with money. if you've got a democrat that's good with money, you can't beat him. during that great recession of 2009 and 2010, 48 states went upside down. they were in budget deficits. two states had a surplus. we were one of them. we challenged every expense, and increased the college graduation

rate more than any state in the country. >> governor, we're running out of time. you've been critical of president obama's health care law, now 8 million people have enrolled, the president has said that democrats shouldn't be defensive about health care, that they shouldn't run away from it. is that advice that you would give to john walsh and other democrats running for senate? >> well, a lot of people in montana think that we should have challenged the pharmaceutical companies in this health bill. we're still playing three times as much for our medicine in america as we pay everywhere around the world, even medicine that's made in the united states. a lot of us believe why did we need the insurance companies at all? people needed health care, we had a system that was working, we have medicare, we should have just allowed people to buy their way into medicare and if they couldn't afford it, we would give them some financial assistance. unfortunately 20% of our health care dollars in this program is going to the insurance companies. >> you don't think the democrats should be defending the president's health care law despite the high enrollment numbers? yes or no quickly.

>> you have high enrollment numbers because they're going to insurance companies and 20% of our health care dollars are going continue to insurance companies. can you do what you want with it. there's good things in it but more needs to be improved. >> here's the next number in today's data bank. 19% is the margin of women voters who favor john h hickenlooper. up next, loss in translation, what ambassador caroline kennedy just told chuck about her japanese language skills, her recent controversial tweet and whether she's support hillary clinton for president in 2016. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc.

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his hotel in tokyo right now. he'll fly to south korea later tonight. last november thousands lined the streets of tokyo as caroline kennedy rode in an ornate horse-drawn palace to present her credentials to the emperor. now the daily job of reassuring japan that the u.s. pivot to asia is real has been challenging. japan is nervous the u.s. is not committed to balancing an increasingly aggressive china and the relations between japan and south korea are the iciest they've been in decades. chuck sat down with the first-time diplomat, who surprised many by accepting the job. >> why japan? you're a close friend of the president, an important supporter. you could have picked -- arguably you probably could have talked him into being ambassador to many other countries. why japan?

>> i think it such an important country and such an important region and i really couldn't think of a more interesting place to serve. it's the greatest honor i can imagine to serve president obama and our country here in a place where i think history will be made in the 21st century. we have such close ties with -- here, just the outpouring of gratitude toward the united states. it really is something that is present here every single day. >> how much japanese did you know before coming here and how much do you know now? >> i knew not a lot before i came and i still know not a lot. there's a lot to learn. it's a complicated language but i think it gives you good insight into the culture. >> i love that moment you asked

her how much japanese she knew and now that she has sferved fo some time. what else stood out to you? >> she is enormously popular, particularly with the japanese leadership. it was striking to me to have a world leader mention the u.s. ambassador by name as prominently as prime minister abay did. it was clearly the message the obama administration wanted to send clearly has been received by the japanese leadership to be as effusive as he was during the joint press conference to me. it's something you don't see in other joint pressers about other u.s. ambassadors. no offense to the many great u.s. ambassadors out there, but it is clear she is on a level of stardom that the japanese people and japanese leaders appreciate. when you sit down with a kennedy, you can't help but talk a little bit of politics. we got into a couple of things, if this has wetted her appetite

to get back in to pursuing elected office herself, she dabbled a bit in 2009 and we talked a little bit about hillary clinton. >> would you ever consider running again after this experience? >> first of all, i wouldn't consider running in japan, no. i doubt i would ever run in the united states either. >> you pretty much don't want to do that? >> i don't know what i want to do. i just got here. but i doubt it. >> did the experience in new york turn you off? >> no. i think the issues are really important, the question is what's the best way to work on them and advance the goals? i'm committed to education. this is a big world. when i finish here and this is over, then i'll look and see. this is not something i ever expected to be doing but i'm learning a tremendous amount and in our lives each thing we do leads us to think about what to do next and i'm very fortunate that i'm here right now and my kids are grown so this is a job that i can really do 24 hours a

day and so it's been great. >> can you foresee yourself supporting hillary clinton in 2016 if she chooses to run. >> can i foresee myself? sure. >> would you like to see her run? >> i'd like to see her run. if that's what she wants to do, i think she would be great. >> last time you didn't support her. that's why i was curious if this time would you. >> yeah, i just said that. that would be great. >> i can tell you one thing that was clear is she is not the political animal that i think that some other members of the kennedy family are. i mean, whether -- she was hesitant to dabble into politics before 2008. i'll be honest, she's struck me as somebody who may not be as engaged in campaign politics going forward as she was in that short period of time in 2008 and 2009. >> we will have to watch her. and hold on to that clip. she says she doubts she'll run

again. certainly fascinating stuff there, chuck. i want to let you announce the final two challengers for the tdr bracket challenge. i assume you have some polling that goes along with this, too, chuck? >> well, i have to say our march madness presidential near miss bracket and of course you're saying, well, it's april and there's been a devoted group of you out there that has voted every round. i promise we will make voting easier and conclude the entire thing in march next year when we choose our topic what we're going to do. we've made it. you viewers out there clearly love this. bobby kennedy out of the mid sort of mid to late 20th century bracket and ben franklin, the man on the $100 bill. what a great final. presidential near miss. you can't believe they never were president, ben franklin. perhaps he had an age issues obviously. bobby kennedy has been a favorite, a number one seed the whole time who gets to the final but franklin a 6 seed.

how about that, it should be fun. get out there and vote. what's not fair to the poor ben franklin supporters, i know a lot of the bobby kennedy family has been very active on twitter on behalf of r.f.k. i expect to see that same activity there. but you hundred dollar bill fans ought to get involved, too. >> hundred dollar bill fans, i'm a philly girl, chuck. you know where my heart lies in this race. >> go for it. there it is. all right. >> what a matchup that will be. that's pretty cool. thank you so much for all of that and congratulations on a great interview. we will see you tomorrow from seoul, south korea. don't forget to go to rundown to vote for your bracket challenge. >> and 23 is the number of terms congressman charlie rangel will have served if he wins

reelection this fall. and the former president called rangel and he got an endorsement from bill clinton, former president bill clinton called rangel. so that is the big news there. and we'll be right back with the latest signs that the 2016 presidential race could be a dynastic double down. and they're serving roasted chestnut veloute in montana today for soup of the day. and the answer, 2000. we want to say congratulations to today's winner, ty matsdorf. congratulations, ty. we will be right back.

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york jeb bush said he's, quote, thinking of running for president and will have a decision by the end of this year. cameras were not allowed at that event. former secretary of state hillary clinton took questions at two events yesterday. each with thousands of participants. in her speech in boston she said this about supporting women. >> women themselves have to develop the confidence to pursue their ambitions, and that's still hard for a lot of women. women have to support other women who are pursuing public positions of responsibility and authority. >> let's get some reaction now from our thursday gaggle. i am joineded by national political reporter for "the washington post" robert costa and susan paige and caitlin hughey burns with real clear politics. thanks all for being here. robert, i'll start with you.

your reaction to jeb's remarks. he has made similar comments in the past, but does he seem to be becoming more blunt in his assessment of what he's thinking about 2016? >> i think governor bush will stretch out this process for the rest of the year and he has every reason to do so. chris christie is struggling. there's not anyone else trying to jump into the establishment slot so look for jeb to continue this talk through the mid-terms. >> susan, jeb said would you call and tell my mom? that's a reference to the fact that his mom has said we've had enough bushes and clintons, let's get someone new into the mix. >> i don't think it matters what barbara bush says. she's a wonderful woman and i'm sure she's speaking her minds, but the question is are americans ready for another bush in the white house. are american ready for another race for another bush versus a clinton and i think probably unlikely. >> caitlin, let me get your

reaction from what we heard from clinton who said women need to support other women. she didn't delve, yesterday at least, into her 2016 ambitiambi she's talking about 2016. >> women are at the centerpiece for democrats running there and while they're building their ground game for 2016. i think also, you know, republicans gearing up for 2016 are thinking about women candidates as well and kind of the idea that democrats do have a longer bench of women candidates at this time and republicans are trying to encourage more women to run. >> are we getting to the point, though, where you're having these two huge figures and i'll get each of you to weigh in on this and it's sort of blunting the potential candaidacycandida. elizabeth warren says she doesn't want to run and yet, there's not a whole lot of room for other candidates at this point. >> i think potential candidates want to have that kind of

debate. there's an emphasis on winning and there is room for the former governor of montana who was on the show has expressed interest in running and i think that we'll have some kind of why not get into the race and offer that kind of challenge on issues that democrats don't think have been debated. >> i think i would disagree. i think the only race we'll see in the democratic party assuming hillary clinton runs. i think the situation of the republican party is entirely different. jeb bush does not see the republican field the way hillary clinton does. >> i wonder if jeb bush is an acceptable candidate given his position on common core and immigration. we have bobby jindal in which he likens support of common core of rugs during communism and these are positions that i think are tough for jeb bush. you have to separate these two parties. >> jeb bush and other challenges, he's still potentially needing to distance

himself from his brother. >> broadly speaking throughout the country and there's bush fatigue, and the right side of the party and they're looking at jeb's maneuvers with a bit of a raise ide brow saying we think we'll continue to operate and we have a shot at the nomination regardless of what jeb does. >> all right. robert, susan and caitlin, thank you very much for being here for our thursday gaggle. i appreciate it. great conversation. we're expecting a news conference any minute now in lemoyne, pennsylvania, which is the headquarters for the hospital in kabul where three americans were killed and another wounded. craig melvin is in for chris jansing and will bring you all of that live. >> good morning. i'm craig melvin in for chris jansing. we start with breaking news on this thursday. any minute now we are expecting a news conference in lemoyne, pennsylvania where we expect to learn more about the american doctor and the three other americans who were shot at a hospital in afghanistan.

authorities say a rogue afghan guard opened fire inside a children's hospital in kabul. that hospital is run by an american agency called cure international. the news conference in lemoyne is going to be held at the headquarters of cure and there is the doctor. our chicago affiliate has confirmed that the doctor killed is dr. jerry umanos. the other two victims, a father and son who were guests of dr. umanos. his wife was also shot and hurt. he is in critical condition in the same hospital he attacked. we should report that after the hospital attack in kabul, two civilians were killed. another 13 were hurt including six soldiers when a motor bike packed with explosives went off in the capital of the southern provence of zabul. joining me now is lauren petty. she's with our nbc station in

chicago wmhq and she's been talking to people who knew dr. umanos where he worked in chicago. this is one of his coworkers said. >> it will be tough. dr. umanos loved patients and the kids loved him and especially the parents, you know? so it's going to be rough. it's going to be rough on everybody, so imagine the staff. i can't imagine what it's going to do to the patients. >> lauren, you conducted that interview. what more can you tell us about dr. uman orc s. >> craig, it was heartbreaking just standing here in the street where dr. umanos worked for 25 years. that woman was just walking down the street with tears streaming down her pace. you see a lot of hugs. he's the most selfless man that they've met. they're talking about what a huge loss this is in the community of chicago on the west

side and a community. this health center is the anchor of this community and from what i understand if you bring up his name on the street on ogden avenue people are going know who he was. he's been such a pivotal figure in this community for a long time. another co-worker we talked to, dave will kerrson. dr. umanos treated dave's children back in the day. he had tears streaming down his face as he talked to us and he said he knew the risk. that dr. jerry, as his patients called him. dr. jerry knew the risks when he went to kabul and he felt a calling to serve god is what one of his coworkers told us a short time ago. >> how long did dr. jerry -- how long had he been in afghanistan? >> reporter: from what i understand he would go back and forth. in this recent trip he was just back into chicago a couple of months ago. it's what one worker toll d us. he was still seeing patients in

chicago and he would go back and forth to afghanistan for ten years. in 2005 is when he first started going there. we know that his wife, dr. umanos' wife jan is still here in chicago. the pastor of their church is with her now trying to comfort her. he has three grown children. i'm not quite sure where they live if they still live in the area, but he had a family that he would leave to go serve. he felt the need according to his co-workers to go serve the people of kabul. i understand he sort of saw a little bit of similarity between the west side of chicago and the great need here as well as these children in afghanistan who also needed his care. they needed his compassion. a woman said he had the twarmes spirit and you couldn't ask for a better person and that's how one of his co-workers described him to us. >> dr. jerry. lauren petty from our affiliate

in chicago wmaq, thank you very much for that information. again, on the left side of the screen a news conference set to start in lemoyne, pennsylvania. when that happens we will bring that to you live. i want to bring in jim miklaszewski live at the pentagon. i want to put numbers on the screen to show the viewers at home what we're talking about. this green on blue-type violence that we continue to see happening in afghanistan. a surge over the past few years. this is the second attack so far this year. last year, 13 green on blue attacks in 2012, there were some 44 attacks. in 2012, 15% of all coalition deaths were a result of these green-on-blue attacks. for folks that might not be familiar with this green-on-blue term, what is it and why have we seen a rise