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launched on to a tiraid. >> i often wondered are they better off as slaves. >> a lot of people in conservative media haraced to h defense, must be feeling very exposed this morning. >> or top story today, three americans, including a doctor, are dead, shot inside a children's hospital in afghanistan. their killer, a security guard tasked with protecting them. attack happened as the doctor was welcoming fellow americans to the hospital in kabul and other two victims were among those visitors, a father and son. this afternoon we know the doctorwise jerry umanos in kabul to treat children and help train doctors. >> dr. umanos saw a lot of patients and the kids loved him and especially the parents.
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so it's going to be rough. it's going to be rough on everybody so imagine a staff -- i can't imagine what it's going to do to the patients. >> the taliban has not claimed responsibility for this attack. chief foreign affairs correspondent richard engel is here in new york and joins me in the studio. thank you for being here. there's no indication thus far that this is anything but a lone gunman, right? >> there's a pattern. i think there's probably standing orders now at this stage and we keep talking about the taliban. there's many different groups and this police officer who was assigned to protect the hospital had previously been serving in host province. it could have been affiliated with many different groups or one of many different groups or inspired by the groups or a lone gunman, not first time this happened. it seems to happen more frequently, which suggests that there's some sort of standing order. don't wait for an attack.
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if you see an opportunity, if you see foreigners and see americans, journalists, medical workers in this case do it. >> they seem to specifically targeting charities or you reported on our air, this is the second type of attack on a charity. >> this hospital was run by a faith based group, cure, they weren't engaged in any overtly religious activity and treated 70,000 people a year and children's hospital and treat motherwise complications regarding pregnancy and do other medical procedures. it's a deeply appreciated facility in the city. but it is the second faith based group that has been attacked in recent weeks. previously there was another christian group, and staff was staying at the guest house in kab kabul. it seems that americans are targets and aide workers are targets and if you are a
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faith-based group from a -- aide workers and americans, you're a triple target. >> seems like the targets should be most offlimits are no longer so. thank you for the update. causing a lot of people to question our presence in afghanistan. >> how do you operate if there's no trust? >> that's exactly the problem. breaking news out of the middle east, just this hour the president's foreign policy challenges behind his asia trip which we'll get to. benjamin netanyahu told andrea mitchell that israel was calling off peace talks with the plinz. israel was infuriated after the palestinian president agreed to form a unity government with hamas considered to be a terrorist group. >> i think the pact with hamas kills peace. if it moves forward, it means peace moves backwards. it's as the state department -- the ball is in the palestinian court. i hope -- i hope they dribble it in the right direction.
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>> today's announcement appeared to be the end of a nine-month push for a peace deal by secretary of state john kerry. the deadline was april 29th. the two sides had tried to agree on an extension. another story breaking this very hour, pro-russian militias in ukraine have released ostrovsky, our colleague and friend has been safely released and is in good health. he was first taken on monday night. president obama is in japan this hour having just wrapped up a state dinner on day two of his asia two, meant to underscore american policy and inted triggered questions at home about the strength of president obama and the foreign policy around the world. the complaint, that this trip lacks substance. s had first order of business after landing in tokyo, take a look. >> thank you.
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have some good sushi right there. it's terrific. thank you so much. >> then there was today's tourist in chief moment with mr. roboto. >> hey, good job. [ applause ] >> i have learned how to jump. >> it was a pleasure meeting you, mr. president. enjoy the rest of your visit too. >> that is pretty cool. the promised policy center piece of this trip, the trans pacific trade partnership has stalled with no signs of resolution any time soon, prompting dana milbank to worn, the photo-op nature of the trip risks contributing to a perception that obama's asian policy and foreign policy in general is similarly itinerant.
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diplomatic trips from presidents matter. this kind of outreach reminds people that these relationships with the rising economic powers are important to america and engaging on subjects that matter to these diplomatic relationships like taking a stand in the senkaku islands. president obama came on far stronger than expected on that subject, affirming the united states is obligated under treaty to protect japan against china's encroachment and that, raladies and gents is substance. i'll start with you dayna, would you say the pivot to the east has failed at this point? >> no, i would say there hasn't been enough of it. i think it's terrific that he's there in asia doing this. but remember the pivot was first declared in 2011.
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and my complaint here is not an idealogical one. i think the policies are is a personal reasonable and good one if it is to pivot to asia, let's do that and have the emphasis there and keep it solidly there. i think the juxtaposition of the two events, you see the middle east peace talks falling apart today and shows we're going off in various directions without focusing enough to get one of them done like that trans pacific trade deal. >> you point out in the latest piece, this isn't the president's fault, about outside events far from east asia keeping focus elsewhere. in light of that, don't you think it's all the more important he make a trip as a counter balance. >> he needs to do that again and again if that is the policy. it's an idea of emphasis here. not enough to have a trip like this, see the robot and have the sushi and say the right things and move on to another part of the world.
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it's very much like domestic affairs. when the president is focused and consistently hitting something like obamacare it gets done. when he gives a speech and then takes hi foot off the accelerator like gun control, it tends not to happen. i would like to see him say, take whatever the piece of foreign policy is, whether it's ukraine or asia or middle east and just keep hammering away until he gets his achievement. >> i would say the trip is important for a step towards exactly that. i'll get back to that debate. the one deliverable is this trans-pacific trade agreement, with 12 different asian countries, very complex but setting a lot of trade standards and opening a lot of markets. it appears to have stalled but is that the president's fault with a tough, complicated agreement? >> no, we can't put it on the president's shoulders completely. when you think about issues involving this many players especially when you're talking about china's increased u.s.
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exports, this is where the president is but one player. it's not as linear, we were talking about this being anl gous to how he behaves with domestic policy. with international policy, he doesn't have as much control. it's not as much of a linear game as it is when he's stateside. as long as people -- as long as this administration understands the importance of getting this deal done and keeping the players at the table, especially for this deal, he can keep his pedal to the metal. but do agree when obama is not focused, especially with issues that aren't as urgent, he gets a little kplasant and it shows in how in the first few hours in asia. >> dana, your argument is that this lacks substance and we asked a white house source who
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said the jabs at state dinners and cultural events misunderstand the resonance that those events have in the countries we visit. obviously you're not arguing it's a waste of time per se. >> no. >> but you're saying it's not substantive and this is the president's first trip to japan, first presidential trip to japan in almost 20 years, first trip to malaysia in 50 years. don't you think the act of advi visiting is sufficient. >> sure, i would like to see more of that emphasis, if the president believes like he said in 2011, we need to take emphasis out of the middle east and put it in asia because that's where our exports are going and the most rapidly developing region of the world is. okay, well let's do that and put our emphasis there. certainly you can't say, well, it was entirely up to the president to negotiate a trade deal. you negotiated a trade deal with
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a partner or haven't negotiated a trade deal. as i point out in the column, a lot of things are outside of the president's control. what's in his control is the degree to which he keeps the mega phone, the presidential megaphone on an issue. do the state dinners but don't forget about it next week. if asia is the emphasis of the united states, let's make it there. >> what about his role taking a stands on japan's behalf in the dispute over these islands, do you think that counts as substance? >> sure it does. i couldn't anticipate that since the column appeared before that event occurred. but of course that's a piece of t the president's national security adviser was asked is this the china containment trip? and susan rice, himmed and hauled, it's a positive happy trip. why not call it the china containment trip? and that's what the gist of those remarks are. >> there's a argument to be made that the rhetoric could be
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stronger in how we frame the trips. cory, when we look at that act of taking a stand on japan's behalf, does that risk too much chinese goodwill at a time when china is on the rise economically. >> it's always on the rise but the economic growth has slowed down and china's economic growth is going to continue to slow down because it can't sustain that kind of output through in pep turtty. the president is trying to thread a needle and show the u.s.'s solidarity with japan and not to an tag nies china, not being any means a china containment trip. >> it will be interesting to see how the rest of the trip plays out. appreciate it. ahead, the new conservative folk hero from nevada shows true colors. you wont believe what he said
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we're back, earlier today the man accused of murdering three people at two kansas city area jewish centers appeared briefly in court for the first time. 73-year-old frazier glenn cross being held on $10 million bond and alleged act of hatred on eve of passover brought the anatomy of hatred back in the forefront of many americans minds. the new york times published an explosive report on cliven bundy, become a conservative foel being hero after refusing to pay $1 million in grazing fees for using federal lands. the times reports he went on a
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tirade against african-americans saying they were base beingally on government subsidy so now what do they do? they abort their young children and put young men in jail because they never learned how to pick cotton. i have often wondered are they better off as slaves picking cotton and having a family life and doing things or are they better off under government subsidy. they didn't get no more freedom, they got less freedom. measured sensitive comments about race there. joining me is richard cohen, ceo of the southern poverty law center. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me, ronan. >> bundy was honored at the party with 50 people in attendance and got xheers and one supporter said this is the beginning of taking america back. what do they think they are taking america back from, do you think? >> you know, there's an idea that the federal government is overreaching that there's this plot to sub vert the united states's sovereignty into a new world order. we saw the same thing in the 90s
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during the clinton administration and culminated in explosive growth of militia groups and bombing of the oklahoma city office building killing 168 people. and we're seeing a reprize of that now that we have another relatively liberal president and of course the issue of race is here as well much more in the forefront. >> one of the interesting thing is the level of political support he's gotten. just this morning through a spokesperson, there have been a number of actual pushbacks and rand paul said through that spokesperson, his remarks on race are offensive and i wholeheartedly disagree with him. that's a strong statement there. among the senators in nevada, dean heller called bundy supporters patriots and reid called them terrorists. what would you call it? >> they are playing a dangerous game. hundreds of people have showed
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up to show support for him carrying weapons and aiming them at federal officials. it's a dangerous game. bundy is not just a racist but a giant hip krit. he talks about black people being subsidized and this is a guy who's not paying his fair grazing fees and living a subsidized life to the tune of a million dollars. it's outrageous that any political figure would stand with him. >> as you mentioned under the clinton presidency we saw similar activity with the militia of montana after the oklahoma city bombings and some traveled to nevada to support bundy, some of those quotes we mentioned on display there. is america more or less polarized now? >> i think much more polarized. we see it so many spheres in political spheres and growth of hate groups. over the last decade or so, there's been a 50% increase in the number of hate groups going from 600 to about 1,000. since obama has been the president, the number of these
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kind of radical anti-government groups, militia types and what not have grown from 150 to about 1,000 in just a five-year period, we're living in a dangerous time quite frankly, ronan. >> we have a good visual illustration of that. look at this map based on data from your group which counted 939 active hate groups in the u.s. in 2013. the states in red you see there had more than 20, really shocking numbers, california had 77, florida at 58 hate crimes, new jersey at 44. we have to make clear cliven bundy is not associated with these hate groups but frazier glenn cross, the man at the center of the overland park jewish center shootings is and with deadly consequences. richard, is hate more prevalent than the average american realizes? >> you know, i don't want -- the average american certainly doesn't have hate in their hearts but there are some --
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some things coarsing through our country that are pitting one group against another, changing demographics are upsetting some people. the economy is upsetting people and so people -- groups are being pitted more and more against one another. i do think we have a problem with hate in this country. i think it's obvious when you see something like miller and the rise in number of hate groups. i think it would be great if politicians and other political leaders would tone down the rhetoric as opposed to trying to make it more insend dairy. we live in dangerous times. >> and that could be deadly consequences. less hate, less extreme rhetoric. thank you for that message and coming up on the show, on a very different note, dolphins. up next, big news to report, a new regulations for the widely popular e-cigarettes. then dolphins. ♪ i know a thing about an ira ♪ and i got the tools ♪ to do it my way
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we're back, the federal government is taking its first steps to regulate e-cigarettes which are now extremely popular, especially with teenagers, 2 million of whom say they have tried those e-cigs, proposing new regulations to ban sales e cigarettes to under the age of 18 and to provide a valid i.d. and e-cigarette manufacturers to put clear warnings on labels. i'm cool someone handed me a vaporizer once and i had no idea what to do with it. that's just me. we've been asking you though about the stories you think need more attention. one issue has been in the lead in that conversation and here's what some of you had to say. i'm choosing gerrymanders it's time people knew about the sequences as we saw in 2010. and jones wrote, causing a
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misinterpretation of electorates and it is a fascinating and troubling issue if you look at the congressional districts, they are like lacework, rigged to get a political outcome. i'm hoping this wins out because there's a lot to dig into. get online and vote for the underreported story you want to see covered. we'll bring you the results tomorrow. next up, governor christie dispenses choice words, why is he harsh and everybody is mellow like that? we'll get high on politics ahead.
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outcome of any event that occurred while you were secretary of state, what would that be? >> it would certainly be the attack on our facility in benghazi and the loss of two state department personnel and two cia contractors from the terrorist attack and the terrible consequences of that. >> that was just yesterday, even as democratic support for her potential presidential run mounts. this morning in an interview with chuck todd ambassador caroline kennedy weighed in from tokyo. >> would you like to see her run? >> i would like to see her run if that's what she wants to do. i think she would be great. >> clinton just submitted the final draft of a memoir and hitting the speaking circuit hard and as the grandmother to be enjoys the perks of daughter chelsea having a baby on board, hillary clinton seems to be focused on building a lasting legacy, whatever comes next. which could be plenty of competition, jeb bush also made
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news yesterday saying that he is thinking about running for president as well. will his mounting support slow clinton down? will benghazi? here to discuss all of this is bob and robert trainum and msnbc contributor and adviser. robert, do hillary's comments, taking real ownership of benghazi do anything to move the needle on how she's perceived by conservatives in your party? >> no -- >> conservatives -- go ahead, i'm sorry. >> we have two robert. let's start with robert trainum. >> i don't think it moves the needle that much. there are a lost of unanswered questions in terms of what did the president know and when did he know it and when he came out to the rose garden and used terrorism or act of terrorism. we had this some the second
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debate between romney and obama. i don't think acknowledging that this was a big mistake is the same as owning that mistake if in fact that is true. >> isn't it a smarter political technique to own it in the way that she is now? >> i'm not sure. i'm not sure. the reason why because it would be one thing to say i made a mistake and here are the mistakes made and you know what, that was a terrible accident. when i heard secretary clinton to a certain extent that was a terrible accident and like to do over again. that's different from saying, the president and i made a mistake and here are the mistakes we made and make sure it won't happen again. secretary clinton didn't say that. >> and bob shrum. how do you think she'll handle this in her book? >> i think she's going to talk about it in a very truthful way. it was a terrible tragedy. the conservative columnist is right, the gop ought to get off of this. didn't work in 2012 against
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obama and won't work in 2016 against clinton. if republicans come after her on that they are speaking to true believes. i think she'll be very forthright about what happened and will say i'm sure that this is not the kind of decision that ever reaches the level of the secretary of state. that is how you're allocating security at embassies and the fact that the congressional republicans cut the budget for security before this happened. >> it's true and she was on the hill warning that there could be security disasters because of those cuts. robert traynam, look the at one of clinton's potential 2016 foes, the "washington post" had an amusing roundup of the history of candidates and people who never end up being candidates. rand paul has said he's seriously thinking about running and even ted nugent said he's
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thinking about it. does the latest instance of thinking about it mean anything do you think? >> of course, because barack obama said he was thinking about, george w. bush, of course, we would want our presidential candidates to think about running for president. jeb bush brings to the table some very significant credibility as well as experience to the presidential table. not only has he ran and run in florida twice but also in bilingual and has a very famous last night, which is a plus and minus, but more importantly credible ideas of moving the republican party and country forward. i think conservatives in the presidential primary will give him a credible look. >> bob shrum, you seem to be echoing that sent. and arguing that bush is the only feasible option for the gop. jeb bush is conservative but he doesn't come across as crazed and sounds reasonable and looks
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likeable and establishmentarian, has he been out of the game for republicans to embrace him in this way? >> he had to be out of the game for a while because the bush name has its downsides, but what happened is that chris christie handed in his 2016 at the toll booth on the george washington bridge. the establishment in the republican party is very worried about rand paul, ted cruz, most of the other alternatives, believes they can't possibly win an election. you're going to see the graph tags of the establishment towards jeb bush. i think he will run and we'll then have the back to the future election, clinton versus bush. i think she'll win that election but he is the one person who could give her a real run for her money. he's going to have trouble in republican primaries because he favors immigration reform. >> one person who was anticipated to give her that type of trouble now seem to be more of a debate, chris christie took a pot shot at colorado yesterday. >> i don't care about the tax money that may come from it.
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i don't care quite frankly that people think it's inhe havestab havestable. it's not inevitable, i'm not going to permit it, never for as long as i'm governor. for people ee namerred with the idea of the tax revenue from in, go to colorado and see if you want to live there. see if you want to live in a major city in colorado where there's head shops popping up on every corner and people flying into your airport to come and get high. >> well, harsh comments about colorado. and colorado's own democratic governor were unimpressed, he's not surprised to see a certain amount of jealousy from other governors. is it in janette good thing for chris christie to get out on other issues apart from his own scandals back home? >> he has to talk about something else, he might as well talk about this. a former u.s. attorney. i don't tlink it's going to help him or very important. his problem is not where he stands on pot, it's that a bunch
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of people on the staff lost their heads and maybe he knew about it, we just don't know. and maybe he knew about it and created a mess. i have never seen a presidential candidacy put in such peril by something so trivial and petty. >> and what do you think robert traynam? >> this is chris christie ci rca 2012 that they liked and loved, the no nonsense chris christie, if he can get back to that and telling the truth about the bridge scandal and everything else, he has a shot at the republican nomination. if you listen to what he was saying, this is what everybody loves about him, he tells you to it straight and calls a spad and spade and i think this is something that's going to resonate with the republican party if in fact he can get through the gw bridge gate scandal. >> it is true, he's certainly forthright about it and that's something that's earned him plaud its before the scandal. thank you to both of you, our
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download the expedia app text expedia to 75309 expedia, find yours we're back. scientists in texas are still struggling to determine if the 168,000 gallons of oil spilled in the port of houston last month resulted in the deaths of dolphins and turtles and birds found in and around galveston since the spill. this comes after a report onwat spilled fours year ago this very week. they looked at how the 14 gulf species are faring in the weak of the disaster particularly on bottle nose dolphins that have
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been found dead or stranded. more than three times the average rates before that spill. bt disputes the results saying the inquiry is ongoing and the report is quote, a piece of political advocacy, not science. which brings us to the question, how are animals in our oceans affected by the millions of gallons of oil in their environment? let's ask conservationist jeff corwin joins us frs marine land dolphin adventure. what are the consequences on animals like dolphins that you're there with right now? >> excellent question, there ronan. as you know, dolphins are incredible creatures. i'm working with this amazing dolphin right here. this is roxie, 24 years old and what we're looking at at the pin
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na cal predator. they are the top of the food chain and they are very much the canary in the coal mine when it comes to health of an ecosystem. what we discovered after the oil spill, many, many species of animals paid the price. >> and obviously we see roxie being quite vocal. you know these disasters up close and personal, you were an nbc news correspondent in the gulf after the deepwater horizon water spill where thousands of chemical dispersants have been used to break up oil spilled into tiny droplets. what do you think the impact of the chemical dispersants will be? >> well, that's the big question, of course, when we examine the impact of an oil spill, we're looking at the immediate moment when basically the earth opened up and as you said hundreds and millions of gallons of crude bubbled up into one of the most important eco systems on the planet. there's the immediate impact
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where we get die-offs of fish then the long-term impact. we know from studies done very deep, thousands of feet deep at the bottom of the gulf, we can actually see where these dispersants have literally created a sea of death. what happens is as these dispersants break down the life forms we get a decrease in oxygen with an increase in bacteria. the bacteria sucks up the oxygen and creates a dead zone. off the coast of louisiana, we have dead zones that are hundreds of miles in size. >> you mentioned that dolphins in a way symbolize the canary in the coal mine how is it they can be used to indicate these bigger problems with ocean health? what warning signs are you seeing from dolphins that you work with? >> that's a great question, ronan. what we're looking at is a creature, this exquisite beast that is connected and entangled through every level of the troefic -- >> roxie is my favorite guest
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after you, spectacular. proceed. >> she's -- she is the ultimate ham, in addition to the ultimate canary in the coal mine. because they are connecting with everything alive in their eco systems, they are the first ones to feel the effect of changes. we noticed along here the florida coast, a dramatic change in the health of the dolphins that live here. one community known as indian river, we've seen a significant change in the entire population of dolphins. and ronan, it's not just from an oil spill. the pollutants we release in the water, whether it's the oil antibiotics you wash down the sink or fertilizers for the lawn and mercury, we discovered they hang out in the fatty tissue of these creatures. so this animal gets infected by mercury, it could potential by stay in its body for its entire
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life. but it's not just oil spills that affect these creatures, it's our every day behavior that affects them as well. >> what kind of policies -- changes need to happen to protect animals like roxie? >> well, ultimately, if you want to save a species like a bottlenose dolphin, you need to protect the habitat. in a way animals like this are out of context without a thriving eco system for them to live in. so we have to really promote good stew ardship and have good fishing policies to make sure creatures like this are protected and aren't getting caught up in nets and make sure these environments, the beaches where they swim along and places they breed are safe and security for these animals or we all pay the price. >> jeff, when there are these disasters as much as we hope they don't happen again, do you see the current routine of how we count these animals as adequa adequa adequate? does there need to be more focus
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on how we count how many animals are affected? >> that's interesting. there's a controversy right now, do we measure the total gross of animals that fall prey to an oil spill or do we have a specific category of maybe ones that are found by experts. so for example, we can look at the oil spill in alaska from the exxon valdez and look at the total gross score and it was hundreds and thousands of birds killed and other animals. the gulf oil spill which was equally if not more dramatic, we only have thousands, only 7,000 animals accountsed for. that's by the system we're measuring. so you know, the jury is out on whether that's an appropriate way to assess the total devastation of an oil spill. is it all of the animals killed or just the ones that fit within the finite measurement.
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>> that's what we're focusing on in the call to action, how you count the environmental imt packet afterwards. we're asking people to look at the regulations on what animals are countsed after oil spills, one of the big disasters you've been talking about, jeff and asking them to go to this whitehouse.gov petition that asks them to count all wildlife after a spill. we're asking people to sign that petition and tweet your support using wildlife counts and let us know on twitter or facebook or e-mail. stick around, jeff corwin will be with us for more discussion on a controversial beat, what if a chimpanzee hired a lawyer? would he be a hero or zero? stick around to find out. ♪ to do it my way ♪ i got a lock on equities ♪ that's why i'm type e ♪ ♪ that's why i'm tyyyyype eeeee, ♪
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heroes and zeroes. take a listen, we've got stories there. some troubling, some a little more encouraging. a troubling one about the government executing on animal rights, literally. in washington state, this week, authorities raided a farm and its operator. they had to decide what to do with hundreds of birds, some of them reportedly steroid-addled. they euthanized them. we talked to the authorities and they said the animals were so full of steroids, they were difficult to place in traditional sanctuaries. we have to believe some of those hundreds could have found homes. we thank washington for prosecuting animal welfare, but give zero to the killoff operation afterwards. a "new york times" magazine cover story is revolutionizing the question, can a chimpanzee sue its owner.
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languishing in a dark dungeon-like cage here in new york state. a group filed the first-ever u.s. lawsuit demanding personhood rights for animals with cognitive abilities. this comes on the heels of robust research showing somen animals like chimps, dolphins, have communicative abilities, perception of time and experiences of suffering. there's a long history of granting rights from ships to corporations. why not animals who live and breathe and think. that is exactly the argument wise made when this case got to court telling the judge, we are in a specific legal way simply asking that you issue the writ of habeas corpus on behalf of tommy. we're saying a being who can choose, is self-aware, are essentially us. they lost round one legally, but wise, the human rights project,
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and tommy are appealing. for breaking new ground that could improve the life of animals, i call them today heroes. in florida, is jeff corbin. jeff, you worked with chimpanzees, you also worked with dolphins. you can speak to the personal firsthand take on this. what is your experience of, let's start with chimps, their level of intelligence? >> well, i've been blessed to be able to work with chimpanzees in the wild. i've worked with jane goodall in africa. i've seen the terrible price these animals pay, these highly evolved primates pay because of the black market wildlife trade and poaching. i've seen a mother chimpanzee roasting on a fire with the baby clinging to it. because of our ignorance, many creatures, many of them highly evolved, markedly complex, pay the price because of our ignorance. there's nothing more humbling, and humiliating to be there in
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the wilds of yuganda, walking a few feet away from your distant biological cousin. they are exquisitely amazing primates. >> and dolphins, you sent roxie, our friend the dolphin there, away, because you didn't want roxie to know you were talking about chimps. what's your take on their emotional complexity? >> roxie is bored with me. i was her toy. i was her boy toy for a little bit and she's moved on to more fun things. but dolphins are equally remarkable. recently we were filming ocean mysteries off the coast of polynesia, and we were down and surrounded by hundreds of sharks. the sharks went away, and then by our side were a pod of dolphins. almost as if to say, we've got your back. they are amazing creatures. these animals are the top dog in their ecosystem. their brains are so advanced, and so developed, that they
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literally can create images, literally use sonar to navigate their world. amazing animals. >> jeff, you've been terrific. so have your dolphins there. and it will be interesting to see how the fight for their rights shapes up. thank you all for joining me. now it is time for "the reid report" with joy reid in chicago today. not with dolphins. >> not with dolphins. but that's a fascinating story, ronan. we don't give animals the subsequent rights. very interesting. great discussion. next on "the reid report," throw out everything you thought you knew about the 2014 elections. because what republicans are running on could send voters running to vote for democrats. then you know nevada rancher cliven bundy has gone off the rails when even folks like rand paul start distancing themselves from them. "the reid report" from chicago starts minutes from now. [ male announcer ] some come here
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