looking into department of homeland security inspector general. daryl issa was busy pursuing a phony irs scandal he apparent leap missed that one. >> he may find politically this doesn't add up to much. he got head leans out of it. don't know what the priorities are at this point. dana milbank gets tonight's "last word." >> thank you, ari. >> i am in for lawrence o'donnell. and all in with chris hayes is up next. the jolly rancher's dark side. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm steve kornacki. leading off tonight, more problems at bundy ranch. he's vaulted himself back into the news with comments about african-americans and slavery that first appeared in today's new york times.

bundy describes a housing project in north las vegas where he see says he's seen african-americans sit on the prince george with nothing to do and wonders if african-americans were, quote, better off as slaves. the right wing's anti-government hero is looking a little tarnished today. and some republicans understanding of his point if not his methods are now denouncing his comments and running away from bundy. an associate professor at lehigh university. his comments were captured on video. let's take a look at that. >> i want to tell you one more thing that i know about the negro. when i go to las vegas, north las vegas and i would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house,

the door was usually open, and the older feel and the kids, and there's always at least half a dozen people sitting on the porch, they didn't have nothing to do. they didn't have nothing for their kids to do. they didn't have nothing for their young girls to do. and because they were basically on government subsidy, and so now what do they do? they abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. and i wonder are they better off as slaves picking cotton or are they better off under government subsidy. > [ inaudible ]. >> they didn't get more freedom. i think they got less freedom. >> i'm not sure where to start with all of this. here's one thing that jumps out at me. the overwhelming irony of this, the quote he has there, he's talking about seeing

african-americans saying they were basically on government subsidy. and this is the same guy who hasn't paid his grazing fee for 20 years. talk about being on government subsidy. the complete lack of self-awareness that he can say something like this, given his own situation. >> that's right. that's part of what makes this patently absurd. you might also note the phonetics and his pronunciation of the outdated term negro. but then to be honest with you, steve, i think this unveils the anti-side, the anti-federalist ideologies in america that often times, those folk who subscribe to this sort of most entrenched anti-federalism, anti-obama ideologies are also happen to be racist. so his comments i think reveal that. i have to concede to you here, steve, this is offensive to be hearing it, seaing it, reading about it.

but you have to think about the fact that he has ideas that other folk and it's been tied, more often than not, this anti-government feelings to people who are also racist still in america. >> that's the point that makes me wonder. i don't want to say all republicans, all conservatives were rallying behind this guy, but that's not true. but what james is saying, if you look at the roots of this sort of anti-government movement, ruby ridge in 1992 and randy weaver, you know, the government sort of encountered him at aryan nation events. there has been an intersection between racism and twheen sort of fiercest strain of the sort of anti-government sentiment out there. it seems like nobody should be that surprised. >> yeah. i mean, i think that's a very good point. why should we be surprised? you shouldn't be surprised that this guy said this. and also shouldn't be surprised

by efforts to marginalize him and say you are just an aberration. he's not an aberration. among the birther, secessionist militia, margin on the far right, this racism is one of the elements, it's like a toxic undercurrent. it has long fed the ideology of these folks. conservative republicans and sort of -- maybe less intelligent talk show types who jump on the bandwagon, the anti-government bandwagon, beating up on the new shiny object, the bureau of land management, without thinking about two steps ahead, wait a minute, who is this guy and what's behind some of this rhetoric. >> late this afternoon, bundy gave another press conference where he tried to explain what he meant and it actually ended up sounding offfully familiar.

>> i'm wondering are they better off with their young women aborting their children. are they better off with their young men in prison? are they better off with the older people on the sidewalks in front of their ghetto nation home, are they better off? are they happier when they were in the south including their home with that i can chicken and their gardens and their children around them? and their land having something to do? are they better off? i'm wondering. that's the question i put before the world. are they better? or were they better then? i'm not saying i thought they should be slaves or i wasn't even saying they were better off one way or the other, i'm wondering if they're better off. >> i wasn't saying it, i was just wondering. but that's -- i mean, that's the clarifying press conference.

and that sounds exactly the same as last week. >> exactly, the depths of this guy's ignorance has no limitation at this point. but let me be clear, what he's playing about the industrial complex and mass incarceration is important. it's part of a system throughout history, and it does stem from the institution of slavery. but what this nut job doesn't realize is, that's the system we're still fighting against. there is no one in their right mind who believes being enslaved, being chatle, being traded and sold as property is somehow in someone's imagination better than being free and alive in america. no one believes that. so for him to say that and try to couch it in this fake apology is even more racist than the original comments. >> try and figure out how widespread views like this are, maybe not the specific, but the basic intersection of the anti-government ideology with, you know, sort of overtly racist sentiments like we're hearing

from cliven bundy. i'm not saying this is the whole conservative movement, but do we have a sense how big that -- you know, this sort of group would be? >> we need to think about that. this is obviously not every rancher, not every conservative, not every republican. obviously that's the case. but the truth is, it's a fairly substantial intellectual underpinning which has fed a portion of the party, in fact, the more reasonable moderate, or politically conservative types like rick perry, ted cruz, george p. bush running for land commissionner here, a senator in nevada were quick to jump on the bandwagon for political purposes, recognizing or trying to ignore that there is this toxic aspect to where some of this stuff comes from.

how widespread are the racist, the overt racist? it's not very widespread, but it does feed an anti-government sentiment that when you hear them talk about the president as being illegitimate, we know what that means. or the government as being lawless, we know exactly what that means. it feeds the rhetoric and that is widespread on the far right. >> i want to pick up what you're saying. you mentioned elected republicans expressed some sort ofs upping, sympathy, when it came to his beef with the bureau of land management. >> again, steve, you -- yeah, you know most of them are running like dogs -- >> that's exactly what we're getting to. senator rand paul who spoke initially told "the new york times" that paul was not immediately available for comment. then he told nbc news today his remarks on race are offensive and i whole heartedly disagree with him. a spokesman said the senator completely disagrees with mr.

bundy's appalling statement and condemns themg in the most strenuous ways. yes, the great walkback has but gun for many. any elected official who came within a mile of this guy. but i want to focus on the question of rand paul for just a second. this is not the first time, you know, the thing about rand paul had a guy on his staff known as the southern avenger. he had the confederate flag, his comments about abram lincoln and race and all these things. rand paul was very hesitant to have him leave the staff, very hesitant to say anything negative about him afterwards. rand pauled that ha incredible interview where he expressed reservations about the public accommodations of the 1964 civil rights act. at the same time this guy who has made some steps towards trying to bring in african voters in the republican party, this is beginning to be a pattern with him.

>> it is a bit of a pattern. there's no walking back that can change what you just laid out in terms of rand paul's career and the challenge he's had around racial rhetoric, the kinds of things he's done over this past week in wisconsin in terms of talking about the prison industrial complex and how it affects black and brown communities is important work, but it just smacks of being purely political. it smacks of being purely an attempt to outreach to a specific community, every time he gets drawn sbak into these things. just to your earlier question, steve, the southern poverty law center has documented a rise in these kinds of hate groups. we certainly have seen study about the ways in which the internet has become a space for racial hate to percolate. we can certainly say that republicans somehow and for some reason believe that these folk, the folk who still hold on to these old school racial ideologies are a part of their base. they do this all the time.

they find a darling. this darling has racial views that can be associated with other members of their base and they have to walk it back. i'm not surprised by any of this, but it seems to me not to be very politically smart for them to find themselves in the same situation. >> yeah, and then they're in the situation, well, the septemberment is right, but we had no idea this person had any of these views. coming up, bonfire of the hannity. sean hannity conceded this afternoon that yes, the comments by cliven bundy who's been promoting and supporting are despicable and beyond repugnant, but that came after hannity learned the hard way why you don't pick a fight with jon stewart. plus, two weeks ago, hillary clinton couldn't name one accomplishment as secretary of state. and also, there's something to criticize obama for the overseas trip, enter the drudge report,

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>> this is public land that's not being used. i'm not a rancher, but i would think the federal government might be thankful because you're cutting the lawn for free. who can argue with logic like that? earlier this week, jon stewart noted the hypocrisy of that case being maetd by hannity, of all people. >> apparently sean hannity thinks laws are served buffet style and you can pick and choose the ones you like best. the ones you don't like, you don't have to abide. that's not going to sit well with fox's immigration/health care law expert pundit, a mr. sean hannity. >> you only believe you should obey the laws that you like. >> no, no. >> why don't you jaun we me juan and say everybody should obey the law. how can the president universal laterally pick and choose

whatever laws he's going to uphold. >> the guy is not even wearing a cowboy hat. the president doesn't get to choose. >> and that's when hannity took his fatal step firing back at stewart on tuesday. >> he's kind of obsessed with this program. i know things are tough for stewart. his army of 50 writers that he have, they just can't give their viewers the fact. they have to spin the story. they want a joke, they want a laugh any way they can. because stewart and his friends at comedy central, they kind of are the chief apologists for the obama administration. i can't expect a comedic hack and his army of writer, i can't take them too seriously. >> of course, there was about zero chance stewart would let that go. here's what he said last night. >> oh, my god, oh, my god, oh, my god! wait! just wait! sean hannity knows my name! i am sympathetic to critics of imminent domain. and those who feel obama's jack

booted thugs should never have signed that executive order extending those federal grazing fees indefinitely. i'm sorry, did i say obama? i meant ronald reagan. >> this is a story seemingly made for "the daily show." a rancher saying racist things and complaining about african-americans abusing government subsidies while he's grazing his cows for free on public land. he doesn't reck fiez the existence oof the united states and a cable host talking about pastoral lawn care, a kro creator of "the daily show." i'll start with you, hannity actually responded on his kroo -- radio show, he strongly rebuked clive bundy's comments. >> his comments are beyond repugnant to me. they are beyond despicable to me.

they are beyond ignorant to me. feel for the right reasons who saw this case as government overnow are, like, branded because of the ignorant, racist, repugnant despicable comments of cliven bundy. >> now go to you, liz. my reaction is, sean hannity always ends up being a victim. that's what it sounds like. he's acting as if, you know, people are going out of their way to connect him and the other people who had spoken up in defense of bundy. sean hannity made this guy a cause. he didn't just say this is a good principle, move on. this was his driving cause the last few weeks. >> and he was acting like clive bundy was wonderful, until he said these awful things. cliven bundy, the fact that sean hannity frames this as governmental overreach when cliven bundy is the one who has for 20 years had his cattle grazing on federal land and not paying a dime for it and gets to sit there is absurd.

not to mention, like you said, the defense of this insanity with the racism and, you know, sean hannity being like oh, he was awful, just terrible. but before that, he was great. why dive into a vat like sean hannity did before looking to see what's inside of it. i mean, that's the problem, really, isn't it? sean hannity went out on a limb to defend this guy before he knew anything about him. and every single thing clive bundy claimed about himself proves to be not true. now sean hannity has to back pedal and figure out how to remain in clive bundy's court without defending the racist. >> earlier this weekend, he said his only concern about the lack of proportionality in the government's response. here's his take on that last night. >> sean hannity is for proportionality when dealing with dissent. like when a police officer generally seasoned nonviolent protesters at uc davis.

>> that's a lot of pepper spray. >> did they cross a line? i don't think so. [ booing ] >> no, that was proportional. in fact, they couldn't have crossed the line because i didn't even see a line because my [ bleep ] eyes were burning bauds i just had a pepper spray shower! >> so scott, i'm actually feeling a little sorry for sean hannity here. jon stewart kind of goaded him earlier this week, you could say hannity couldn't take it anymore. he took the bait, he responded. you know, and stewart had a field day last night. and then cliven bundy implode. and now, i think everybody in the country is looking and waiting to say what is jon stewart going to say tonight. he's going to get the last word in, it's going to be memorable. i feel a little sorry for him, but what do you think? >> if i didn't know better, i would think that viacom owned fox news and comedy central.

historically, sean hannity and jon stewart have a symbiotic relationship. it shouldn't be surprising that sean hannity is not being consistent, he's being hypocrite call. that's the hallmark of fox news. but really, i think the story should be about the story not the people talking about the story. both sean hannity and jon stewart are entertainers in the broadest sense of the word. i know jon. and jon is very funny, very insightful and factual, which i would not associate with handy. but it's working in both of their favors. i mean, sean hannity does not have to be truthful or accurate to appeal to his base, his viewers. and despite the fact that jon stewart is clearly in the right and being so much funnier, in the end, it won't hurt sean hannity at all. >> what do you think hannity does now? we listen to the radio show earlier today. he condemned cliven bundy individually. but still said the cause was just, just a problem with cliven bundy.

do you think that's it now? he has enough sense to walk away from this? or do you think we're going to hear more from handy on this? >> see, this is the thing i don't get. he has so doubled down on this guy for so long. it's about the cause and now the racist remarks he made is going to obscure what the cause is. the racist comment headquarters emade were statements of his observations about the black community. and how they are in society. that reese not a small little misstep or statement. that seems to me that that is part of the fabric of who cliven bundy is and how does sean hannity stick with that? i don't know. >> so we say, what does hannity do snex i guess the other question is, what does john stewart do next? in a way, the segment write itself. what does he do next? >> dvr's whatever fox news does. both are serving their own base.

we should focus on the fact that the government is not overreaching. i think the government is underreaching, if that were an actual word. cliven bundy, which sounds like a fake name, which is why he's so liked at fox news, is a common criminal at best, and a potential domestic terrorist at worst. and both these people mate the government so much, leave america, go to somalia, you'll love it there. and maybe fox news could do well there also. >> one of the questions now, does bundy's implosion is that going to make it easier for the government to do what they were trying to do in the first place. anyways, thank you. up next, the latest argument by a republican against equal pay for women.

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>> okay, come on. >> that was president obama visiting a robot named semo. drudge headline u.s. president bows to japanese robot. george bush was the first to try the segue and fell off. this is what a state representative in new hampshire said about a new paycheck fairness bill. >> women make half of what men do because .

>> with an argument like that, it's no wonder new hampshire's representative ended up passing the bill. finally what happens when ted cruz and mike lee go shopping together? they buy a tiger skin rug apparently. yes, that's cruz and lee posing on bended knee with the spoils of their shopping expedition. did a little shopping for the off the with senator mike lee in houston today. i guess it really ties the room together. up next, time for hillary clinton to come up with the answer to the question, what did you accomplish as secretary of state?

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>> welcome back. the clooer early favorite, lilry clinton has more than a few targets on her back. and her biggest bull's eye might be her time as secretary of state that included that security lapse in benghazi. an exchange has the right so gleeful. earlier this week, lee brought up a 2010 state department audit called the qddr.

at the time, the agency hailed it as a sweeping assessment of how the department of state can be more efficient, accountable and effective. you would think that four years later, the state department would be able to name one accomplishment as a result of that sweeping audit. as you might be able to guess, she couldn't. >> off the top of your head, can you identify one tangible achievement that the last qddr resulted in. >> welsh matt, obviously it's an extensive process. >> so no. >> the secretary wants it to be focused. it's going to be focused on a more narrow range of issues. it's always to look at how we can improve things and we'll see where we come out in the end. >> so can you off the top of your head identify one tangible achievement that was resulted from the last qddr? >> i'm certain that those who were here at the time and worked hard on that effort could point out one. >> but since you've come onboard that you've noticed that someone, that you notice you can

point back and seau, the first qddr saw this and dealt with it. >> as you know, i haven't been here since after it was concluded. >> americans are quite familiar with hillary clinton's role but they're still scratching their heads on what she accomplished as secretary of state. this raises a much bigger question facing hillary in 2016. when republicans attack her record as secretary of state, how does she respond? "time" magazine is out with their most 100 influential list. i just missed the list. anyway, this is not the first time we have seen someone struggle with this topic.

hillary herself had trouble defining her accomplishments as secretary of state. a bit flummoxed when asked, what do you see as your biggest accomplishment on the job? >> i really see my role as secretary, and in fact, leadership in general in a democracy as a relay race. i mean, you run the best race you can run, you hand off the baton, some of which hasn't been finished may go on to be finished. >> this is something that sounds like hillary herself has not fully come up with a way to articulate. republicans clearly think this is something they can hit her with in 2016. i assume she's going to come up with an answer. do you know what that answer is going to be. >> she hasn't sent me her book yet. i'm kind of aggravated by that, steve. i can't tell you. she's written a book, i think it deals with what she wants her accomplishments to be.

can we separate out those two things? that jen saki clip, that's incredible gotcha politics. she doesn't work for hillary clinton. she worked for john kerry. and the current qddr, any day you spent talking about the qddr, you're losing. but basically it is a bureaucratic overview whp shen she finally came back and gave answers, it's meant to move money here and there. it's not about cutting off diplomatic relations with iran. it's internal kind of boring bureaucratic thing that's done. so jen saki is not sitting there as hillary clinton's surrogate saying this is what she did but i can't come up with anything. it's really kind apples and oranges. >> i take the point, but i guess it gets to the broader question we're raising here, which is like, because we have not had hillary clinton articulate through her book or whatever, it

leaves the question out there, when a spokesperson with the state department is confronted with a question like that -- that reporter is known to be aggressive. do you know, what are hillary's biggest accomplishments as secretary of state. what can she point to? a big way and say hey, this is what it was all about. >> being secretary of state is not like baseball. you don't get an on-base percentage. she's basically a deputy of the president and it's not a job at least in her tenure that produced a lot of, you know, clear wins. she was deeply involved in iran negotiations and sanctions. which seemed to be making some progress. she helped the location in europe that supported the bombing there. she was involved in the asia pivot. she was involved in the afghan double down.

and now the withdrawal. the withdrawal from iraq. but all those things are not things you sort of win medals for and wear on your jacket. i think it may be that all of this ends up being a moot point. i can't imagine that many voters in 2016 going to the poles and deciding between a possible hillary clinton pandcy and a republican opponent by saying oh, but she was really good as secretary of state. i think republicans are hitting on her now because she's the topic du jour and she will be unless she gets out of the race. and they're trying to establish a pattern they can use in an election year. and that pattern is she's not a very good manager. i think that critique actually is something she's going to have to deal with. it goes back to the '90s in the white house where she had trouble. goes back to 2008 where she had trouble running the presidential campaign. and that's going to be something she has to answer for. she has plenty of time between now and then. she's going to clearly come out swinging in june with her book. i'm not worried that she won't

have the next word in that. >> when you talk about through the importance of being able to answer that question, being able to answer the simple question, it's hard not to be reminded of ted kennedy, who back in 179 who had this memorable rambling and incoherent response when asked a seemingly easy question. >> why do you want to be president? >> a well, i'm -- i would like to make the announcement to run the reasons i would run is because i have a great belief in this country we're placing complex issues in this country at this time. but we faced similar challenges at other times. and the energies and the resourcefulness of this nation, i think, should be focused on these problems in a way that

brings a sense of restoration in this country in dealing with the problems we face. it's imperative in this country to either move forward. it can't stand still otherwise it moves backward. >> joan, obviously, that was november right before the election year. we're still a few years out. hillary clinton has plenty of time to answer this. i guess the question is, secretary of state is not normally in modern politics a launching pad for a presidential campaign. what do you see, though, as the biggest challenge of her going from secretary of state to running for president? >> they were fierce rivals, he asked her to do the job, it was something she accepted to do.

she was in, i think, a tougher position than most secretary of states are. but it's not the kind of job that you go around bragging about, i did this and i did that. it doesn't tend to actually attract, if you look back at who's been there, people who have a long career or want to run for president. so, you know, it's hard -- she's just, as usual, you know, she's very hard to compare to anybody else. but right now, i think this is just a way for the right -- another way for the right ring to say benghazi with different words. >> i think the last secretary of state who tried to do it was al hague. thank you joe walsh, and michael sheer. we'll be right back.

udall and gardner in colorado are neck and neck. udall with just a one-point lead. republicans need to take six seats if they're going to win back the senate and they're heavily favored in three states. in colorado, that would be a huge coup. be right back. 

we are back and before you even had a name, the horrors of aids devastated entire communitieses. in the trenches was a man named dr. eric gusby. he saw his first aids patient in 1979. he went on to treat many more during his time at san francisco general hospital. in the 1980s, 80% of the hospital's patients were infected with aids. many of them dpied due to lack of effective treatment. 1991, he went to washington to work on the federal response to the epidemic. and president obama appointed him u.s. global aids coordinator. he's now an adviser to born free, which "hardball" is partnering with. the group is working on an ambitious goal to stop the transmission of hiv to mothers and their children. in 2012, 700 children, each and every day were infected. a vast majority of them in sub saharan africa.

the goal is no child is born with aids by 2015. is he now watching the beginning of the end? he's with us now along with the ceo of born free. drft, i'm just start with you. your own personal story is amazing. you were there, just a few isolated cases in this country and became this horrible, global epidemic. are we really now at a point where after all these years, you can start to see the end of this thing as an especially dem snik. >> well, yes. the truth of it is is that we have come a long way. the united states has played a central role in orchestrating the effective response through the president's emergency plan for aids relief, started by president bush, brought to scale by president obama. it has reached out to the country's most heavily impacted by hiv throughout the world. and brought care, prevention and treatment services.

>> maybe you can explain this to me. we're seeing 700 children a day still being affected. you're saying by the end of 2015, this is less than two years a way, this can be brought down to 0. how? what will happen to make that happen? >> this is a very large global coalition of stakeholders, ranging from the private sector where we've gotten especially involved in terms of providing funding and resources and business acumen to the u.s. government, civil society, and of course, african governments and african global health experts. and since 20 o9, the epidemics decreased more than 35%. >> you talk about working with government groups.

in erm tos of international standpoints, the international community, what are some of the challenges they face in tries to confront this? >> the international community has an obligation and an opportunity to get involved in this in so many ways. i think that's what's happening. there's a global effort to get this done. if moms are giving it to their children, the epidemic will continue. doctor, i go back to you. you saw the horrors of this rite from the start. i wonder if you can take us back to that time. you saw your first aids patient in 1979. when was it in that era when you saw, when you realized the scale of this thing? this was going to be national, global. when did you realize just how big and how bad this was going to be? >> somewhere around 1982, we realized this was crescendoing.

we hadn't reached the highest numbers yet, but they continued to grow. we were overwhelmed with opportunistic confessions being the entry that a patient would have into the medical driverry system. as a result, hospitals were congested. and in san francisco, the census was started at 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, and peaked out in the 80 pz >> that's an amazing statistic. jennifer, just saying, you know, we begin to see the end of this prks did you think, though, at the beginning of this that it would take this long, you would be sitting here in 2014 talking about this? >> i really didn't think it would take this long. a young doctor at the beginning of his career was very optimistic. i thought we could figure anything out. i thought the science would lead the way.

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from obama's standpoint, it removed an imposing shadow from capitol hill. the hillary clinton of 2008 was a senator with an enormous national profile, one who just won 17 million votes in the democratic primaries. there had been tension between her and obama in the primaries and there were definitely some hard feelings. here's barack obama poised to take over the presidency. he knew that he was in for a rough first term, a deep recession, high unemployment and a slow recovery were going to steadily and quickly erode his political strength. he knew the last thing he needed was for his vanquished rival to be sitting in the senate and spot an opportunity in his struggles to question, artfully, of course, his priorities, to challenge his strategy, to remind democrats without r actually saying the words, that things might have been different if only they sided with her. barack obama didn't need hillary clinton hovering over the domestic political scene and he definitely needed the press or

his parties getting in i idea about a 2012 primary rematch. so he offers her the plummest of plums cabinet slots and she took it because there was a lot in it from her, too. it freed her of the domestic political land mines. think of the stimulus and health care. being secretary of state elevated hillary, too. it elevated her above the polarization that defines this era, that makes everyone with a d a target with everyone after an r after their name. the disgust with congress reached an all-time high, when all this happened, hillary was nowhere to be seen on capitol hill. she was off traveling the word and burnishing a new image as a stateswoman. her poll numbers climbing to poll numbers never realized.

it ended up being good for barack obama and also for hillary clinton. so yes, she needs a better answer to the question of what she's achieved on the international stage as secretary of state. but when it comes to what she achieved on the political stage back here in our country, the answer to that is very clear. taking that job was one of the smartest moves hillary clinton has ever made. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. good evening, from new york i'm chris hayes. few people outside of his immediate family knew who cliven bundy was. now all of america is getting to learn about his views. and boy are those views something el. >> what a beautiful day. and, you know, i'm all excited. all of these cameras, the media must have something to tell me.