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right now on andrea mitchell reports, final warning. president obama gets on the phone with european leaders trying to roundup a tougher round of sanctions against russia. >> what's also important is laying the groundwork so if and when we see even greater escalation, perhaps even military incursion by russia into ukraine, we have a series of additional targeted sanctions that are ready to go. >> the putin factor. despite the tensions with putin, the president asked if he would save vladimir putin if he were drowning. >> i absolutely would save mr. putin if he were drowning. i would like to think that if anybody is out there drowning i'm going to save them.
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i used to be a pretty good swimmer. i grew up in hawaii. >> doubleheader. an historic moment. 1 million pilgrims are gathering in st. peter's square to see who popes canonized. >> they will not only see two popes canonized but two popes. emeritus ben ticket is expected to attend. it will be like a catholic all-star game. >> good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington. president obama's asia tour has been overshadowed by ukraine. the president and european leaders had a video conference to talk about what to do about russia.
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with evidence of russian interference despite the truce. so far europe is not prepared to join the white house in squeezing moscow economically. chuck todd filed this report from seoul, south korea. >> reporter: well, good evening from here, andrea. we're now in the middle of the night in seoul. the president talked about what's coming on ukraine. he's going to be talking to his european counterparts. he's had that phone conversation. angela merkel from germany, hollande from france, renzi from italy. it was a five-way conference call. four members of the g-7. this is coordinating the next step of sanctions. the united states would like the escalate the sanctions against russia even further and make
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them sectoral. whether it's the energy or banking sector. that isn't where the europeans are going. this is about a coordination. the president says 24 hours ago new sanctions are teed up. there are some companies. i think that's what they are trying to coordinate is which one are they going to do. they are going after the largest oil companies. are they going after a couple more banks the way they did last time. so the bottom line, andrea, more sanctions are coming against russia. they now believe not only is putin not abiding by the geneva agreement but what he has done is trying to escalate the problems in ukraine, trying to create more chaos and confusion in eastern ukraine with what he's trying to do. they feel as if they have to act. maybe it's by the end of the
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east coast business day we hear the announcements of these sections. the other piece of interesting news is the president's summary of the mideast talks. make sure people know this has been a big john kerry effort. john kerry forced this situation, forced these abbas and netanyahu to the table. go ahead and get caught trying. looking for excuses for the talks not to happen or for the talks to collapse. here we are. they have now officially collapse. the president almost admitting, yes, everybody needs to take a pause and go to their corners. when you think about the history, at least in the obama years of what he wanted to do with engagement in the middle east and engagement with the the peace talks, all those things,
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to see where we are today, this probably means at best there is one more shot at some sort of mid east peace process kick starting before the president leaves office. maybe not. maybe this is the last chance president obama will have regarding this issue. here we are in seoul, andrea. all focus seems to be on international affairs but elsewhere as far as this trip is concerned. >> our friend and colleague chuck todd in seoul, south korea. jim maceda, tensions have continued to mount. you yourself were hold up today by militants. tell me what happened. >> reporter: this is true. i didn't realize you knew that. we were detained by pro-russian militants, the same place where simon was detained and held
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under horrific conditions. it's almost embarrassing to talk about what happened to us. we were held for about an hour. tense at first. it became less tense over the course of the hour. they felt our documents -- particularly my document was not in order, though it was. the sense was in the early stages of this they were targeting me because i was american. but, again, doing a lot of standing and waiting. they told us not to come back. what i wanted to talk about was the opportunity today, and it's rare for a reporter to be able to cover both sides of a conflict. we did that on the pro ukrainian side. 15 miles north slovyansk we saw
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some very tense but professional ukrainian soldiers setting up and manning a massive barrier. literally concrete blocks to the border near of slovyansk. this is the blockade that the kiev government, or at least a piece of it, announced today as the second phase of its military operation to take back occupied towns from the pro-russian insurgents. not by attacking towns like slovyansk. that probably isn't going to happen. it would be a major offensive, create a lot of casualties and of course give putin an excuse to intervene. they are slowly cutting off, blockading slovyansk to other towns to reinforcements, towns and other weapons. this does seem to be the primary military strategy. try to negotiate its surrender. meanwhile, while that was going
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on down the road inside slovyansk, pro-russian families we talked to were going about their business almost in surreal fashion. when you talked to them, they said they were afraid especially for their children. the pro-russian militants talked to us. they said they too were nervous. but they were armed wearing camouflage, masked. they had now beefed up positions in that town. it's like night and day now. it feels like really a militarization of that town and tension is clearly at breaking point. back to you, andrea. >> jim, that is really disturbing. because it reemphasizes everything we're hearing here. that is the ground truth, how much in control these pro-russian groups are in your region. simon was thankfully released
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yesterday. he has now written about his captivity. he said i was pulled out and then blindfolded, beaten and tied up with tape. after spending hours alone on the floor i was led into a room where i was accused of working for the cia, fbi and right sector, the ukrainian ultra-nationalist group. after i was released, i found out that the leader of the pro-russian forces in slovyansk, they told journalists that we were being held as bargaining chips. i don't know what he got from my release but i hope it was very much because no one should be able to take hostages no matter what their political demands are. your take on that? >> reporter: my take is very different than if you had asked me the question yesterday. those are the kind of sound and
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experience that i was suddenly projecting on myself and on my team today when we were held in those initial harrowing five or six minutes. but it does sound like a horrific experience that he went through. even by standards we have come to understand as being the norm unfortunately. four nights, i believe. three days in captivity. it's interesting that his release, he said, was at mysterious as his abduction, which is often the case. the speculation of course, i think we can talk about this now freely. he was being held for spying. as he said in his article, he learned afterwards and made reference to this that the mayor had said he was being held as a bargaining chip. but he went on to say in his article so much like simon he hoped that the other side didn't get anything too important in the exchange.
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as a journalist the whole notion of using people as political pawns, as bargaining chips is complete in aptitude. >> thank you. and stay safe. of course to all of your team there in donetsk. and at the center of the ukraine conference, the increasingly hostile stance of vladimir putin with the west, david gregory sat down with tony blair. he spent a good time in his office dealing one on one with putin. take a look. >> you looked into putin's eyes, as did president bush. he already took crimea. he must sense enough weakness, he's not backing down. what do you think his end game in all of this is? >> i think that's hard to judge. the idea that he has is resurgent russia. obviously linking up with russian-speaking people in the vicinity of russia.
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i think it's hard to know what the end game is. but i'm absolutely sure that we are right to take a strong approach and lay down very clear messages and be able to back it up with action if necessary. as i say, i hope this can be resolved. otherwise, you'll be backed into a situation where the relationship between russia and is europe and russia and the west becomes very difficult. >> and you can watch more of his interview with tony blair this sunday on "meet the press". earlier today in south korea, president obama paused for a moment of silence to honor the victims of last week's ferry stka disaster. and he presented a flag and magnolia tree. it will be growing at the high school that last so many students. >> i'm a father of two daughters of the same age or close to the
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same age as those who were lost. so i can only imagine what the parents are going through at this point. the incredible heartache. >> the grim task of recovering bodies from that submerged ferry continues. families have become infuriated at the slow progress. 100 people still trapped inside. as the investigation widens, there are even more questions regarding the safety of the ship, whether life rafts were working and how overloaded it was. >> reporter: the ferry sank with passengers on life rafts unused. only 2 of 46 were launched. investigators now seized its sister ship and found life rafts and escape chutes were faulty. they raided government offices. the ship was overloaded with cargo, and that the steering was
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faulty. anger is growing. parents of the missing targeting naval officials. why aren't you finding our children more quickly, they ask? the operation is focused entirely on recovering bodies. it's only when they salvage the ship, raise it up that they can begin to prove what happened with the cargo and with the steering. highway miles per gallon makes it like two deals in one. salesperson #1: point is there's never been a better time to buy a jetta tdi clean diesel. avo: during the first ever volkswagen tdi clean diesel event, get a great deal on a jetta tdi. it gets 42 highway miles per gallon. and get a $1,000 fuel reward card. it's like two deals in one. volkswagen has the most tdi clean diesel models of any brand. hurry in and get a $1,000 fuel reward card and 0.9% apr for 60 months on tdi models.
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welcome back. the obama administration is calling for better preparation for teachers across the country. a new initiative announced today will overhaul graduate prep programs for teachers tying success of graduates to the goal of a better quality education for teachers and students. i'm joined by education secretary arne duncan. mr. secretary, thank you very much. what is it and how is this going
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to work? >> very simply, we believe every child deserves a highly effective teacher and every teacher deserves to be well trained, well prepared before they ever enter the classroom. i talk to young teachers everywhere i go. often the vast majority feel they were not prepared to enter the classroom. it is simply unacceptable. >> are you putting any money behind this, or is this kreubg lamb advice? how is it going to work? >> we have resources. we want to make sure grants are going places that are taking seriously their job of preparing teachers. there's a seriousness of purpose there that doesn't exist on education side. there's so much we can learn
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from that example. >> it's one of the things we have learned over the years looking at models in finland and other countries in preparing kids. their scores are better on international standards scores because the teachers are taken more seriously and teacher education is taken more seriously. >> we want to do everything we can to elevate and strengthen the profession. they are called nation builders. we don't train them as such, prepare them as such. we don't respect them or compensate them the way we should. it all starts with making sure teachers are prepared when making the classroom. >> tying teachers's education to the accountability of how their students do. >> the goal of teaching is not to teach. it is to have students learn. we always talk about some measure of whether students are actually learning is important
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stkpwhrfplt how do the metrics work? >> we would provide lots of flexibility. states would decide how they want to do that. survey teachers. teachers are very, very honest. >> do you want to see them in classes doing work as part of their training? >> absolutely. lots of history of education, philosophy of education, psychology of education. not enough teaching 28 or 30 diverse children in a classroom with the practical clinical experience is so important. >> one of the big issues about education in the midterm election cycle has been the common core. are you surprised this is becoming a target in a lot of these races. >> i think the one thing republican, democrat, i could care less, a parent of two young children, we all want high standards. we don't want to dummy down standards. having standards across the nation where students are truly college and career ready once
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they graduate. today far too many are having to take remedial classes in college because they were not prepared. that should be a bipartisan issue. >> finally, getting to the whole issue of the value of college, a lot of controversy and criticism about college costs, whether college is really necessary and the burden, the loan debt is out of sight now on kids. studies show people who go to college earn more over a lifetime. >> it's the best investment. we worry about the cost, the affordability. we have to come back and talk about that. anyone who says young people shouldn't have the option the opportunity of going to college is a grave disservice. >> access for all and making it accessible. >> accessible, affordable and make sure it's not just access, graduation, attainment. the goal is not to go to college.
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the goal is to complete. >> thank you so much, mr. secretary. thanks for being with us. an historic vote on the campus of northwestern university. it could forever change college sports. 76 scholarship football players are voting today whether to form a labor union, a right granted after. north western has now entered an appeal objecting strongly to that decision. they will be locked up. they will not even count votes until the national labor board decides to overrule the decision. we will have to watch and wait whether student athletes should get a cut of the billion dollar business that is college athletics. i've always had to keep my eye on her...
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an all-star conservative cast. noticeably absent from a lineup of 15 speakers today are any women. mike bloomburg's group will be protesting outside with moms with strollers making their point. amy walter, national editor of the cook political report. chris, first of all, the nra, you have mike bloomburg kicking off this group, $50 million. he's doing this because they are single issue. he wants to be single issue. yet they have the political juice as far as many regions in the country and a lot of support. >> if you say what's the thing without which you can succeed it is money. whether it is raised or you have
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it. they do spend a corable amount of money. in some ways they are different from that. they are really a membership driven organization that uses direct mail, e-mail lists. it's the power of their ability to organize, number one, and the fact that people in their organization, that is their top issue. that is the issue they care about beyond everything else. so there's a passion gap almost always. they care and will vote on that issue traditionally at least more than the volkswagen who are aligned whether they have money or not on the other side of the gun control issue. >> amy, you know it district by district how important it is to get out the vote on these issues on social questions. >> that's right. >> a lot of tough abortion restrictions. >> for so many years for
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democrats to give basically a proxy to their voters, democrats who sat in republican states. i'm a conservative was to say, hey, i have an nra enforcement. i'm not such a liberal dem. i'm not like the folks in washington. i'm different. they used that very effectively for many years. now what we are seeing of course is where the battle for the senate is in those sorts of states, montana, north dakota. those are places where issues play very big. they can't afford to lose every one of the red states. >> i saw interviews that i did and chuck did with jason carter, is not willing to back off as well. >> you have to see within the public party the divide we see on the issues of immigration. national folks know they need to
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deal with this issue. in individual districts it becomes more problematic. gun issues, you know if you're a democrat in a red state, this is a key issue for you to be on the side of your voters. and if you're not, you're not going to win there. >> chris, let's go west to nevada, day two. he was given a chance to back off his comments. he has doubled down. this is bundy on cnn this morning. >> sure. >> i talked about this quite a bit. >> please. >> and i thought about what the reverend martin luther king said. i thought about rosa parks taking her seattle at the front of the bus. reverend martin luther king did
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not want her to take her seat in the front of the bus. that isn't what he was talking about. he did not say go to the front of the bus and that's where your seat was. what reverend king wanted was she could sit anywhere in the bus and nobody would say anything about it. you and i could sit by her anywhere in the bus. that's what he wanted. and that's what i want. >> so that's a lesson in civil rights and history from bundy. >> i just wish that -- look, i know i'm part of this media culture too. i wish we would stop putting him on to say, look, the guy has had a long running dispute over grazing rights with the bureau of land management. if you want to cover that, fine. he has now proven himself to be someone who is outside mainstream political thought, mainstream thought i think in general in this country.
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at this point we kind of know where bundy is coming from. i think we have that piece covered. his yon going back and forth with the bureau of land management absolutely worthy. at some level, bundy's thoughts on race i feel like we're pretty confident where he's coming from. >> fair enough. for a number of republicans running in the other direction, this is an object lesson to check things out before you decide -- >> look, this is what happens when both sides are so interested about upsetting their base they latch on before vetting the people pro voting those issues. and that becomes a very important lesson also for many of these candidates to not talk the catnip that they serve out to say, this is an issue i have concerns about. let me tell you how i feel about this issue.
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but i'm going to wait to make a judgment on the person behind this issue. i think we're going to continue to see this for the next -- whoever the next cliven bundy ends up being. >> thank you for being with us today. >> thank you. >> one of america's favorite fictional public servants had a major moment last night meeting one of her heroes on parks and recreation. she has rubbed elbows with the vice president but still hasn't mastered playing it cool around celebs. >> this is leslie. she's considering running the midwest chicago. >> you know how i feel about chicago. >> you are from chicago so you like it. >> we need people like you on national parks. they get hundreds of millions of visitors each year. are you nodding because you agree with me? >> i agree with you on all things on history throughout the
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folks can posture. folks can cling to max mallist positions. but realistic there's one door. maybe very difficult political compromises. we have not yet seep them walk through the door. we will continue to encourage them to walk through the door. do i expect they will walk through the door next week, next month or even in the course of the next six months? no. >> president obama acknowledging the setback in u.s. brokered peace talks between israel and the palestinians after israel suspended all talks falling the palestinian decision to unite with hamas. the executive director of the
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jewish fund palestine center joins me now. good to see. >> you thanks for having me. >> we have talked about the fatah wing with hamas leaders in the gaza. they have been feuding seven years. sometimes actually being at war with hamas and gaza. what does this mean besides it bringing down peace talks? what does palestinian unity mean for you? >> for the palestinian people, this is a tremendously sad moment in their history. what they are confronting right now, yon going israeli occupation, expansion of settlements, division among palestinians is only causing weakness. and they need to be united to confront all of these challenges. this is the prevailing sentiment among palestinians, the west bank and gaza about the way they feel about the two parties. there's a lot of hope, optimism
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about it. we have seen this in the past not really translate into much change. >> in fact, the leaders of fatah have been at logger heads with the leaders of hamas because they have different philosophies. >> there's no difference thes in approaches. both parties want to see an end to the israeli occupation. they want to see freedom or palestinians. struggling towards that end. they have different approaches in how to do that. there's been tremendous interference from outside parties, including the israelis and the americans of course in designing what sort of palestinian player ends up representing the palestinian people. that of course is deeply problematic. washington does not tell the israeli government, well, look, certain parties should be in your government, certain parties should not. even though there are many parties which are problematic. >> there should be a bottom line, though. the u.s. says this. israel understandably says this.
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it should not be expected to negotiate with an organization that not only doesn't recognize its right to exist but that has been at war to try to, you know, kill israelis and to try to take over israeli territory. >> the reality is they do negotiate with hamas. they negotiated for the release of 1,000 prisoners in exchange for one of the israeli soldiers captured in 2011. they associated with them through the egyptians for a cease-fire agreement in 2012. >> a cease-fire agreement to a shooting war is one thing. but no negotiate a peace agreement with people who don't recognize your right to exist who are considered terrorists legally by the state the department, how do you justify that? >> it's a standard we need to play on both sides. there are plenty of parties, including the party that the israeli prime minister that does not recognize the state of
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palestine to exist. these are the so-called quartet principals which the united states wants hamas and other palestinian parties to apply. if we demand of thft palestinian side, it must be equally on the other sides. across the spectrum within the israeli government, all of them are willing to use sroepbs through the military against a vastly civilian for political ends which is perpetual occupation. if we are looking at the situation, we need to apply the same principals on both sides. unfortunately, so far i don't think we have done so. >> thank you very much. for more now on the setback in negotiations of what it means, i'm joined by the executive director for near east policy joining me from capitol hill. it was very clear from the president's words and body language that this middle east initiative is, if not on its last gasp, all about ending.
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>> it is indeed very much on life support. i think we can say at least that. the president mentioned six months, which is a long period of time. i think we'll know well before then these previous hamas/fatah agreements have fallen apart in a matter of weeks. if this sticks the peace process is dead. if it falls apart there is another moment of opportunity. >> to yusef's point just now, why should it be an absolute condition that hamas not be included in the negotiations? >> well, this goes back to the origin of this modern peace process. yasser arafat recognized israel and that made oslo possible. if the palestinians don't recognize israel, if the leadership of the palestinians includes those who don't recognize israel, then nothing that has been accomplished the last 20 years exists.
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that's the core of what this era is all about. >> this is part of what i was discussing yesterday with president netanyahu when he came out of his meeting. this was his explanation. >> they had a choice, peace with israel or packed with hamas. that's the blow for poes. and i hope he changes his mind. until he does so, it's very important that we have khraeurd. as long as i'm prime minister of israel, i will never negotiate with the palestinian government backed by terrorist organizations committed to our destruction. >> he's talking about the decision of course that president abbas made to reunite with hamas. that is what he says put everything off its rails. we should point out israel and the palestinians both missed key
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deadlines. announcing the construction of new houses and new settlements and signing agreements with the you know to approach statehood on its own. both failed to make concessions that the u.s. had been demanding. >> that's right. the big picture here is the question of unity versus progress. unity between palestinian groups between progress and peace with israel. unity sounds very attractive. and it ought to be. but historically to make progress you have to choose unity or progress. if you look back in time at every previous agreement, every previous step of progress, you had to break. so the egypt/israel peace treaty broke. in signing the oslo agreement, it was passed by one vote,
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61-59. you can't have national unity and progress. and regrettably it seems as though they are choosing one over the hour. >> thanks so much for all the history here. we are learning more about the american doctor killed in a shooting outside a private children's hospital in kabul where he worked. his family in chicago says that dr. jerry spent nine years in afghanistan saving the lives of children, working in the nicu of the hospital run by the christian charity cure. his wife of 34 years had extraordinarily forgiving comments about the man who killed her husband and expressed love for the people of afghanistan. >> and i know jerry would also really like everybody to know about his love for the afghan people and our love for the afghan people. and that we don't hold any ill will towards afghanistan in
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at the vatican, historic canonization. 1 million people are expected to crowd the streets sunday as pope francis elevates popes john xxiii and xxii to st.hood. we have a bit of a satellite delay. ann, what is the controversy around such a festive and spiritual occasion. >> reporter: well, most of the controversy, andrea, surrounds the proclaiming of john paul ii a saint. it is because of his role in the sex abuse crisis. there are people, particularly survivors of sex abuse, who say he did not do enough to stop the
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problem. some go as far as to say he turned a blind eye on that problem. some say he did do something once he found out about it. but he was not aware of it when the problem started to surface. that is not doing much to placate the survivors who have come here to protest his sainthood. they know they can do nothing about it. it's not like the catholic church will change its mind the next two days. but they say they want people to understand there are people who are hurt by this pope's inaction and are calling on the current pope to fire the bishops who moved priests around who they knew were molesting children. andrea? >> ann, there is controversy around john xxiii and they feel it was rushed through.
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john paul ii was certainly idolized for his ending the cold war, poland. but there are issues with both, aren't there? >> yeah. there absolutely are. with john xxiii, he -- first of all, you're supposed to have two miracles to become a saint. pope francis waived his second miracle. those in the conservative wing of the catholic church feel john xxiii was the one who opened the windows of the world to the church and really did more harm than good. he was the one who modernized the church, who allowed masses to be celebrated in native languages as opposed to latin. back in the day the priest used to say mass to the congregation with his back to the congregation. he turned that around. and all of that they felt was liberalization of the catholic church that put it on a path that has cost it all kinds of
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members. now, the progressives love john xxiii because he started to modernize the church. in both cases, many people who feel this is a rush to judgment. it was just 2005, nine years ago, when john paul ii passed. but you'll also remember at that time the crowds who were chanting sainthood now. they wanted him proclaimed a saint that day by acclamation. yes, there is controversy but also lots of joy. >> i remember that well. you were there. it was quite extraordinary, profoundly moving. and you're going to have quite a weekend there. anne thompson, thanks so much for joining us today with a preview. you can watch special coverage of the double canonization live sunday morning. stay with us. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports." [ kc ] you're probably right. hi, cascade kitchen counselor.
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chris is back with us. chris, in the next 24 hours, the president is going to be leaving south korea after a security briefing and going to malaysia. right in the center of the storm that malaysia the government has been experiencing over the missing plane. >> when this trip is planned it was a historic visit for president obama. first u.s. president in 50 years to visit malaysia. anything other than the search for malaysia flight 370 has gone out, you know, off the board. there's been a lot of criticism internationally of how the malaysian government has handled not only the search but also the way in which they are conveying information to the victim's families. so that seems to me -- it certainly wasn't the topic of conversation when this trip was planned. it's going to be hard, i think, for president owe pam ma to talk about anything else. >> the reason i talked to you about malaysia is because i did
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not want to talk about your worst week in washington. >> here's the great thing, andrea. worst week in washington. you could have the best year in washington. it was just one week. when i'm trying to teach my son baseball, which he doesn't have a lot of luck with because his dad is not a very good athlete. i say you have to run hard to first. bryce harper didn't run hard to first. didn't run hard on wednesday night. got luck where because pujols bobbled ball. we want bryce harper to succeed. >> and also a deep fly last night. >> correct. >> but that's another story. he was lucky. thank you very much. >> that you know. have a great weekend. great baseball weather as well. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." join us. ronan farrow daily is next.
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