because they're coming after you with legislation trying to limit what you do. you've got to have a great product. i'm enjoying it on a friday. and now it's time for the shower. appreciate your time. all the best to you. when you've got the big boys after you, you know you've got a good product. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, new offensive comments from to the lawless hero on the right has politicians and pundits running for the hills. and damage control mode. more on that in a moment. but this morning, he also went back to his radical anti-government rhett ricket, the same talk that made him a star on the right.

>> i abide all of the facilitate laws and and i'm be damned, the united states has no business here. nevada is the sovereign state. the land within this state belongs to the state of nevada. not the united states. this is a sovereign state. and they do not have jurisdiction. they do not have authority. they do not have policing power. they want to make that a policing state. >> for lack of a better term, that's crazy. he doesn't think the government exists, it's the police state? it's the same extremist story he was selling all along. and it's exactly what so many conservatives fell in love with. >> it seems like the united states government is operating with unlimited power. it's not about cattle. it's about federal government abuse on state rights and state

sovereignty. >> i abide by all the nevada state laws, but i don't recognize the united states government as even existing. >> how come politicians weren't running away from that? senator paul, senator held ler, they all condemned his racism, but still haven't condemned him for calling for lawlessness and disorder. today, a spokeswoman complained, it's not fair to link the gop to bundy. but listen very carefully to what else he said. >> the issue with clive bundy hassing absolutely nothing to do with this party, zero. he's a nevada rancher that had a beef with the federal government's continued overreach. >> there's that boogie man again, government overreach.

what does his biggest fan say now? >> the ranch standoff was not about clive bundy. at issue was my belief that the government is simply out of control. >> out of control government. since president obama took office, this rhetoric has exploded on the right. states trying to secede. talk of being armed and dangerous. a supreme court justice talking about revolt and a lawless nevada rancher becoming a right wing folk hero. joining me now is "the washington post's" e.j. dionne and is a lo and salon.com's joan walsh. e.j., what does this controversy reveal to the mainstream about the republican party? >> well, i think this shows that there are a significant number of republicans, including those senators you saw, who at this moment are willing to identify with what you might almost call

a neo-confederate view of the federal government. he is saying the federal government doesn't exist. i don't like the word treason because people throw it around at anyone they disagree with, but i think he falls within the technical definition of that. and the notion that someone who doesn't want to pay the federal government what he owes it doesn't recognize the federal government, the notion that this person is lifted up as a patriot tells us something really terrible about how some people on the right are thinking these days. and i hope that this episode actually causes some conservatives to say hold on, we've got to stop this and stop trying to delegitimate the federal government of the united states. >> that's what's disturbing to me, joan. yes, the racial statements was disgusting, but the core message, even before his racism was exploded, the core message was an anti-national government,

anti-union message that these guys rallied around. one of bundy's biggest supporters has been sean hann y hannity. now he's strongly condemned bundy's racist remarks but he continued to claim this is a case of government overreach. listen to this. >> this is government gone wild. it's not limited to clooichb iv bundy. we have seen it play out in tax agency efforts to target and intimidate citizens. we watched tragically as our top diplomats and commander-in-chief lied in the wake of a terrorist attack that took the lives of four brave americans. we've also endured the universal nightmare that is obama care. >> so let me get this right, joan. somehow a rogue rancher all of a sudden is the fault of irs, benghazi, the affordable health care act. i mean, this is absolutely way over the top, but it spells what

this fight was really all about. >> right. and it's only bad when he says racist things and the racist things are inextricably linked to his philosophies, but still, sean hannity is purporting to make the whole thing better but he titles the segment government got wild. government only goes wild when we've had democrats, bay basically. it actually goes back to president clinton. we saw this around, you know -- it culminated in timothy mcveigh who talked about sovereign states. the sate rights rhetoric is exactly as e.j. said, neo-confederate. but the republican party mainstream figures, rand paul is not a fringe figure. rick perry, same kind of rhetoric. they're not running away from these controversies. they're running towards them. >> but how can you run for president of a union that you're supporting people who say the unions don't exist. >> i don't know. and i hope they pay for it. we're going to see.

>> one leading critic, charles krauthammer is questioning why conservatives embraced bundy in the first place. listen to this. >> why some conservatives end up in bed with people who, you know, he makes an anti-government statement, le wears a nice big hat and rides a horse and all of a sudden he's a champion of democracy. this is a man who says he doesn't recognize the authority of the united states of america. that makes him a patriot? >> i don't agree with krauthammer often, but even he understands wait a minute, what are you talking about here? and he's a conservative pundit. >> right. charles krauthammer it's worth noting once upon a time worked for walter mondale before he became conservativconservative. and he remembers that conservatives are supposed to be people who believe in the

constitution. these guys, not charles, but some of these right wingers call themselves constitutional conservatives. you can't be, as he understands, a constitutional conservative if you don't believe in the government that the constitution itself created. but they need to be a lot more like charles coming out there. they need to be a lot of republican politicians who stand up and say enough of this. but this talk is so popular on fox news and with rush and with what david fromm called the conservative entertainment complex that a lot of them are afraid to stand up and say this is ridiculous. >> you know, joan, leave it to ted cruz. he goes even out and blames president obama. here's why he said this story was resonating. listen to this. >> for five years, we have seen our liberty under assault from a federal government that seems hell bent on expanding its tlort

over every aspect of our lives. we should have a federal government protecting the liberty of the citizens, not using the jack boot of authoritarianism to come against the citizens. i think this is the unfortunate and tragic culmination of the path that president obama has set the federal government upon. >> so now this was a statement made before the racist statements but it still carries over, right, to what we're kiss discussing tonight. you're telling me thousands of ranchers pay what they're supposed to pay for the government. this guy decides he doesn't want to pay and the federal government all of a sudden is oprezzing and exploiting him? and this guy is leading some -- i mean, this is outrageous. >> even glenn beck, this was too much for glenn beck, remember. if it's too much for glenn beck it's really out there. i want to take issue with everything that ted cruz said, this is resonating? it's not resonating. let's always remember, this is a

tiny fringe. these are mainstream of their party right now, but they are playing to a tiny, paranoid embattled base. the last time we heard the rhetoric of jack booted thugs was in the era of timothy mcveigh. this is dangerous language. often it's connected to racism. it sometimes leads to violence and i want to applaud charles krauthammer as you did, matt lewis in the daily caller. they're not going to love us giving them credit, i promise you that, but we're going to do it anyway. >> i'll attack them, whatever, but they're right on this. the outrage of this, let's not get away from, is these guys still have not addressed the central issue that they're talking about. we played the tape, armed militias that they will face federal agents and they will fight and say that the federal government doesn't exist. and they're not denouncing that.

they're denouncing the racist remarks. they're not denouncing that and some of them were talking about running for president. others of them are holding elected office. this is outrageous. >> it is outrageous. to say you're going to support action against the federal government is outrageous. the use of that term, jack boot, is outrageous. and one other thing is outrageous that we don't talk about a lot. is that president obama is no leftist. what was he hel bent on doing? hell bent on spending federal money to get us out of the recession. hell bent on getting people health insurance which essentially mitt romney's health care plan. come on, these guys are trying to paint obama as something he absolutely is not. and i think some of them know it. >> i know they know it. >> kuj from a leftist group or group of color was out there?

can you imagine the position of these people. it's hypocrisy at its worst and it's against the interests of this country. e.j. dionne and joan walsh, have a good weekend. >> good to be with you. >> coming up, the lawless rancher on race and comparing himself to heroes of the civil rights movement. >> if those people cannot take those kinds of words and not be offensive, then martin luther king hasn't done his job done yet. >> and new signs that the republicans are crumbling in the fight to repeal the affordable care act. plus, should the so-called affluence defense been banned from the courtroom? can you be too rich to jail? it might have happened again. this time with a millionaire ceo. tonight, you be the judge. woman: how did we do it last time?

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movement. >> they taukt abolk about rosa taking her seat at the front of the bus. now, martin luther king did not want her to take her seat in the front of the bus. that wasn't what he was talking about. he did not say go to the front of the bus and that's where your seat was. what reverend king wanted was that she could set anywhere in the bus. that's what he wanted. i want her to be able to sit anywhere in that bus and i want to be able to sit next to her anywhere on that because. >> when rosa parks refused to give up her seat on that bus, she was fighting discrimination. it was an act of selflessness. she sat so millions more could

stand up to the racism of the 1950s. cliven bundy is a lawless rancher. he's not fighting against discrimination and he's not fighting on behalf of others. he's fighting for himself. he's refusing to pay fees that thousands of other ranchers have no problem with. in this country, you're allowed to challenge laws you think are unjust. i've done that myself. i protested the bombings in viegas and even served 90 days in jail for this belief. if mr. bundy believes in his cause so much, why won't he do thoo? that? >> joining me now are joe madison and bill press. thank you for coming on the show tonight. >> hi, reverend. >> hi. >> joe, let me start with you. what do you make of this ramper comparing himself to rosa park? >> first of all, you had me think of something.

rosa parks was quite honestly defending the constitution of the united states. >> that's right. >> it was a supreme court decision that dealt with not just the state of alabama, but it was about the entire country. so here you have a man to just got through saying to everybody, he doesn't believe in the united states but he would be right there with rosa parks who was upholding a federal law that he says he doesn't believe in. look, he also chooses to compare himself to those who are no longer with us. i mean, why doesn't he compare himself to john lewis? because john lewis would stand up and tell him, knighter is he a rosa parks oar john lewis. and finally, as it relates to this, you're absolutely right. you've gone to jail, i've gone to jail with you. i just got out of jail as it relates to south sudan.

if you are honest about what you want to do, then don't fight them, sacrifice. go to jail and stand up and be counted. like rosa parks did. >> bill, he also compared himself to -- he said this about martin luther king. listen to this. >> when you talk about prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think and our feelings. we don't have the freedom to say what we want. if i say negro or black boy or slave, i'm -- if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be offensive, then martin luther king hasn't got his job done yet. >> i mean, i don't know what he thinks dr. kings job was that people can call people black boy, but bill, martin luther

king clearly talked about governors who talked about nullification, which was states rights. and this man and his supporters are the ones out here now saying let's nullify federal government law and they want to impose state law across the board. and that's what's at the bottom of this issue. >> absolutely. i want to say two quick points about rosa parks. look at that picture of rosa parks on that bus. i didn't see any armed vigilantes standing around rosa parks the way they were standing around mr. bundy out there. i mean, this is so odous for him to compare himself to her or to martin luther king. but the other thing, reverend al, this goes back to the history of our country. in the 1790s, there was

something called the whiskey rebellion when people just like clive bundy in western pennsylvania, ranchers said they were not going to play the federal government the whiskey tax and george washington himself, president of the united states got on his horse and led the federal agents and suppressed them because he said the federal government has got to be willing and able to suppress any violence resistance to the federal government. that's exactly what we're seeing right here. and these armed vigilantes, these -- i mean, i think e.j. was right. this was treason and ought to be dealt with treason. >> if you want to stand for something, say that. but to try and miss use others, like the world net daily conservative pundit alan keyes asked what's going on on the bundy ranch was a rosa parks moment, i mean, some on the right have invoked the jams of civil rights leaders to defend their stance.

aire names have been used to defend opposition to the affordable care act, to defend their anti-abortion stand. they even invoke king to defend voter id. i mean, if you're going to stand for something, how are you going to use the people that fought for strong central government to protect themselves against states rights. why distort them? use the examples that you really believe in and that you're consistent with. >> yeah, you can do it because -- we call it -- remember the day, we called it co-opting. they have co-opted erg. that's exactly what they're doing. this would be be like comparing the night riders of the cklu klx klan to the freedom riders of the civil rights movement. and that's what these guys do. and the sad thing is, the sad thing is they get away with it because reverend sharpton, most people don't know their history.

so you can make these kinds of comparisons. and they're playing to the low hanging fruit. they didn't pay attention in history class. they didn't pay attention to the civil rights movement. bundy is older than i am, and i never saw him at a civil rights march. nothing has ever stopped him. >> and he's transparent on this, bill. he said states rights. he said it. and states rights has always been the opposition to civil rights. why use civil rights? people will say why am i talking civil rights? he's bringing it up. he's bringing up rosa parks and dr. king when he's doing the exact opposite. >> there's something else going on here, too. it's no accident that rand paul and ted cruz and rick perry and sean hannity rushed to defend this guy. because he is who they are. he is the republican party.

you take 100 pounds and that hat off of that cowboy and he is rand paul. he is ted cruz. they are really anti-federal government. that's exactly who they are. >> thank you, joe madison and bill press. thank you both for your time. if we sound passionate, it's because we are. >> we are. >> coming up, new numbers showed that the republican obsession with health care is backfiring. and that means one thing, karl rove is into spin mode. who's ready for another meltdown? but speaker boehner is caught on tape mocking his fellow republicans. i'll tell you why next.

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to obey the law and enforce the law that we would write snp. >> but speaker boehner strayed from his script yesterday. here's what happened in his home district in ohio. >> boehner got a little dramatic when he was asked about immigration reform. he says he thinks congress should take action this year and mocked his colleagues for what he called a lack of an appetite to tackle the issue. >> here's the attitude. oh, don't make me do this. oh, this is too hard. >> bravo! bravo! a magnificent performance. encore. >> here's the attitude 37. oh, don't make me do this. oh, this is too hard. it's even better the second time, mocking his colleagues for being too afraid to take on the issue of immigration. sounds like he's admitting his republican colleagues are the real obstacle to meaningful

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>> when it comes to the affordable care act, the republicans aren't in acceptance yet, but are we eclose to leading the denial stage? even though southerneer souther necessarily like obama care, they don't want to repeal it. and i almost had to do a double take when i read this from

speaker boehner. dwoet, to repeal obama care isn't the answer. the answer is to repeal and replace. the challenge is that obama care is the law of the land. 55 votes later, we're still waiting on that replace. . and check out what happened in michigan. when a constituent told congressman tim wallburg he was beniefitting from the law. >> that's not to say the aca hasn't helped a few people. i met those people. also met people who are getting help who say i don't want to be subsidized by the government. i'm not saying it's not working for some people. >> forced to admit the law is working. this is how you know the repeal game might be entering a new stage. i give you karl rove on that new poll. >> i accept the fact that this is going to be a hard fought battle right up to the end and

many of these races are toss-ups. but let's put aside for a moment "the new york times" and kaiser family foundation poll because it was badly done. >> questioning a poll. are we entering a new on-air meltdown on poll numbers? no matter how hard they try, there's no denying the health care law is working. joining me now is the democrat of illinois, congresswoman, is it time to pop some champagne, celebrate speaker boehner admitting repeal alone isn't the answer? >> i don't know about popping the champagne. we know that for some, there's still a hard sell. but i want to tell you, you know, tim wallberg also said that he has talked to people that get the -- that have the insurance but don't want is to be subsidized by the government. i would like to see somebody who went on to the exchange and

found a lower cost health care plan and is now objecting to the fact that they're getting the subsidy. they don't have to get the subsidy. they can decide to get it on their own. it's absolutely pulling out of the air a crazy answer. i do think that the tide is definitely turning, though. we're see iing allison schwartz running for governor in pennsylvania using it as a positive saying if she were governor, she would expand medicaid and 500,000 more pennsylvanians would be able to get health care. we have definitely turned a corner because obama care, the affordable care act, it's working. >> speaker boehner says repeal alone isn't the answer and eric cantor was at a memo on the spring agenda. he says they want to, quote,

reform our health care system by replacing obama care with policies that improve patient choice, access to doctors and hospitals, and lore costs. it's been four years and they're still work on their replacement? >> exactly. they have had four years to come up with a repeal and replace. all they've done is repeal about 50 times. you know, john boehner in 2011 had said, well, obama care is the law of the land. no, in 2012, after the election, it's the law of the land. and then in 2013 when there was a new group of republican, they wanted a chance to vote no. they didn't think it was going to go anywhere. but they wanted to be on record. the hypocrisy of the whole thing is just astonishing. and now they're being really trapped by the facts that so many americans are really

benefitting from the affordable care act. >> talk about astonishing, let me go to one of your astonishing colleagues. kansas republican colleague tim yule's camp. >> it's hard to get accurate numbers on anything. whether it's usda or hhs or those kinds of things. but the numbers we see it today, as i understand them, and we believe there are more people uninsured today in kansas than they were before the president's health care plan went into effect. i thought the goal was to bring more people under insurance. >> "the washington post" fact checked that and gave him four pinnochios for that line and said the congressman isn't entitled to conjure phony facts out of thin air. how do you fight this kind of misinformation from your colleagues on the other side, congresswoman? >> we fight it good

opportunities for americans who have been not denied health care. women who have had to pay a premium because of gender discrimination. we fight it because seniors are now seeing the doughnut hole, the extra cost for prescription drugs shrinking. it's experience that people are finding. one of my colleagues wanted his staffer to give a story of how hard it was for him to sign up for obama care and instead he said well, i got really lucky because i got to stay on my parents' policies. he's one of 3.5 young people who gets to stays on their millions of policies. >> thank you for your time tonight. have a great weekend. >> thank you, you, too, reverend al. >> ahead, a major development in the alicia mcbribe murder trial. anticipate it has to do with the judge. plus, it was the defense that

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and criminal defense attorney carmen st. george. thank you both for being here. >> we start tonight with the case in detroit being compared to the trayvon martin tragedy. alicia mcbride was intoxicated and crashed her car into a parked vehicle around 1:00 a.m. she walked to a house to seek help, but the 55-year-old shot mcbride in the face through a closed door after she went on his porch. he claims self-defense saying mcbride was trying to break into his house. the defense has been aggressive, trying to question mcbride's past and pushing to get the judge removed for an alleged friendship with prosecutors. today a circuit court judge recused the judge from the case saying one of the prosecutors assisted with the sale of tickets to one of her frund raisers.

there will be a blind drawing for a new judge next week. faith, the defense is playing tough, how do you read this decision today? >> i think this djudge was bein extremely cautionary with this ruling. it wasn't he deseeded the judge was biased because of his relationship with prosecutors but he wanted to avoid the appearance. and he was concerned because one of the prosecutors had worked on the campaign or contributed funds to the campaign that could create an appearance of impropriety. we're just going to put a new judge on the case. >> we talked about this case a few weeks ago. i had the suggestion the judge is going to be recused in this case. even in new york, we have a heighten heightened and standard for recuse call.

here you had one she havely involved in the prosecution. it was a wise decision. there is enough judges to try the case. we'll move on and have a new case. this guy is going to have a tough defense. he's going after mcbride's background. he's going all in, it looks like hp. >> taking a page out of what george zimmerman did. he talked about all these activities he engaged in, photos he had on his phone, fights he was allegedly involved in. he's talking about these things in a very public manner, wanting to paint a picture of who

trayvon martin was before the trial started. >> couldn't that also backfire at some point? couldn't it look like you're blaiming the victim for being killed? we can't say he did or did not believe robbing the defense, but clearly there's no evidence that's what he was doing. >> a wise defense attorney general would not be attacking the virk tim. it didn't feel as if he was in fear of imminent danger for the people in his household. did he have a right to defend his home at that time? a wise defense attorney would focus on the facts and steer clear, especially in this case from attacking the victims. >> they're not going to do that.

they want these. they want people to believe he was in fear for his life and they want to paint a pick chew of who mcbride was outside that night. a. >> but the problem was, he didn't know her. whatever her background, it was unknown to him. >> what's known known is who the jurors are. you want them to assess the facemasks and circumstances and to say this man acted in self-defense. >> we'll keep watching that. let's go now to a disturbing story out of san francisco. on a 30-minute beating caught on videotape. the defendant, a millionaire ceo of an online advertising company, he sold his previous company for $300 million, last week he pleaded guilty to two

misdemeanor charges and one count of domestic violence and one count of battery. s for beating and kicking his girlfriend 117 times. he was originally charged with 45 felony counts for hitting her repeatedly in the head, covering her mouth with his hand to obstruct her breathing, hitting her in the head while holding his other hand over her mouth, and threatening to kill her. he dodged those counts and will face zero jail time. instead he was sentenced to three years probation, 52 weeks in domestic violence training program. and 25 hours of community service. he was arrested last summer when police responded to a 911 call, a home security video that documented the 30-minute attack was not allowed to be shown in court because it was taken illegally. his girlfriend wouldn't testify

against him. so what's going on here? should he face harsher punishment? >> the judge suppressed the videotape. they said the police came in and secured that video footage without having a warrant. the prosecutor argued there were circumstances here. they have to get the videotape or they thought it would be delet deleted. the guy is ceo of the tech company. he could probably delete that videotape remotely for all we know. the judge made a major ruling in the case. without that tape and without having a cooperative witness, the girl friend, the prosecutors didn't have a lot to go on. i think initially the girlfriend was probably cooperative. this was an extremely brutal and vicious attack. she probably had visible injuries and so they had enough evidence to go forward without her perhaps, but with this guy having the money that he dhuz having the money that he dhuz and the resources that he

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this week, president obama and district attorney holder announced new criteria for nonviolent federal drug offenders seeking clemency. who has received lower sentences if their offenses were committed today. "the new york times" points out, the purpose is to deal with the aftermath of the war on drugs whose casualties are the thousands of people sentenced under harsh and outdated law. it's not a job that's finished. >> this is something i'm happy to commend the president on. he started commuting sentences and letting people out. there is a problem and it's

something i've spoken with eric holder on. willing to work with the administration on second chance for people. i think it's a mistake to use drugs but you should not have to give up your future. >> he's right. yet some on the right have denounced the president aechbth and the attorney general's announcement. they said the president was gutting the constitution. but they're wrong. for nonviolent offenses, they should have a second chance. particularly if they it's sentences they would not have gotten today.

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