♪ ...and unleashes wrath. ♪ temptation comes in many heart-pounding forms. but only one letter. "f". the performance marque from lexus. thanks for disrupting your afternoon, i'm karen finney. fear of change, clive and bundy dares to say what he really believes. that and more is coming up. >> a lawless hero on the right chose his true colors. >> clive and bundy is apparently also a professor of negro studi studies. >> what the? >> sorry, republicans, you bought the ticket, now you have to take the bundy ride. >> how does it feel to be abandoned by your friends on

fox? >> i believe those comments are down right racist, they are repugnant and it's beyond disturbing. >> i don't think i've been abandoned. i think they misunderstood me a little bit. >> a gaffe is when a politician tells the truth. but clive and bundy just can't seem to stop telling his truth. here's what he said yesterday while trying to explain away racist comments he made earlier in the week. >> if i say black boy or slave, i'm not -- if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be offensive, then martin luther king hasn't got his job done yet.

i should be able to say those things and they shouldn't o offend anybody. >> let's rewind. at the start of the week, mr. bundy and his followers were lie newsed by some to the air waves. >> what senator reid call domestic terrorists i call patriots. >> he probably is a hero in many people's eyes because he's standing up against that a lot of americans think is oppre oppressive. here's the faktd. the federal government sent more force many to handle his cows than they did to ukraine. >> if they come back, i'll be out there with you. >> i think this is the unfortunate and tragic culmination of the path that president obama has set the federal government upon. >> i don't apologize for pointing out government overreach. >> then bundy decided to tell us

what he's often wondered about the nebraskagro. negro. >> or are they better off under government subsidy? >> those comments from bundy sent many supporters running and their press secretaries sending out statements of con e dem nation. his biggest supporter, fox news, while calling his comments repugnant, still sads he supported the overall cause of the standoff. >> the ranch standoff was not about a man named clive and bundy. at the heart of the issue is that my government is out of control. >> and just when you thought you'd heard enough talk of race and racism this week, we had some breaking news from the world of sports today. tmz has just released an audio recording that says it is the l.a. clippers owner on a racially charged rant during his girlfriend.

he tells her he's upset she's posted inn sta gram fphotos wit minorities. >> people call you and tell you that i have black people on my instagram and it bothers you? >> yeah, it bothers me a lot if you want to broadcast that you're associating with black people. >> msnbc has not verified the authenticity of that recording, but the audio also includes a mention of a photo that she took with star magic johnson whom sterling said she should not bring to clippers games. he also sent out a tweet saying he and his wife will never attend another clippers game while sterling owns the team. we reached out to the clip e but the nba confirmed that an investigation is underway u saying "we are in the process of conducting a full investigation into the audio recording obtain

ed by tmz. the remarks heard on the recording are disturbing and offensive, but at this time we have no further information. we have placed calls to his office. co-director of the advancement project, managing editor of think progress, professor of political science and public affairs at columbia university, and special correspondent for "the daily beast," michael tamasky. i don't even know where to start. i mean it's one of those days where you're like, what? what do you make of this recording of sterling? it hasn't been verified, but it's pretty shocking. >> it is pretty shocking for someone who owns a basketball team that actually he makes his money off of african-american players for him to be saying this is quite disturbing. and it just fits into what's

happening right now. we just have a lot of people saying how they feel about race and at the end of the day we have a supreme court saying race did you want matter. dear justice scalia, in fact, we have found that race does matter and you need to pay attention to it. >> to that point on the left when we have these conversations and trying to talk about these things, we get accused of inserting race, but i mean the problem is it's still there. it's still very much a conversation and problem that exists. >> i had a few experiences this week on my twitter feed. it's an interesting week. i'm always reminded by these people that robert byrd was in the kkk and the democratic party was started the kk. this is obviously ongoing. and as far as sterling goes, that's not really part of the political story. it's part of the cultural story.

i'm very curious as to what his players are texting to one another. i'm just throwing this out there. i wonder if they are going to boycott a game. >> they are in the playoffs. they are playing tomorrow night. >> i don't think that's totally impossible. >> although they would get fined for doing it. >> they could probably absorb a fine. back to the bundy side, how many coincidences? we have all these republicans. >> the few amount he's given. >> there you go. and all these republican local office holders sending out these funny e e-mails with a watermelon patch. how many of these do we have to watch before people say, this is a problem in that party. >> and to that point, i don't want to say that everybody in

the republican party is racist. which i know that's not what you're saying. but there's coincidence after coincidence. i agree with him that there's two parts. there's a political conversation to be had about race and racism in the age of barack obama and we're supposed to be post racial, we'll talk about that in a minute. there is a cultural issue. i do think that what donald sterling represents is this reality that in our culture, these attitudes absolutely exist and are more pervasive than people want toed a milt. . >> there's two things here. whether or not if you listen to the audio you hear the irrationality of modern racism. it doesn't make seasons. he's contradicting himself over and over. i'm not saying i'm racist, but i just don't want you hanging around black people. there's a contradiction there. i think racism has always been

ir ralgs in that sense. taking it back to policy, we have to go back to the southern strategy of 1964. the republican party, the party has been built off southern strategy of playing on people's racial fears and anxieties. when you link that, this is not new and these are not two anomalies. they are representing the core of what the republican party has built itself off of the last four decades or so. >> part of what i found so intriguing about this whole situation is as she says on the tape, his girlfriend, she's mixed race. she's half mexican, half black. in terms of racial fears, it's okay if it's a woman? and the other thing i wanted to mention, it's very bizarre. the other thing i wanted to mention about sterling which is actually disturbing is that in 2009 the justice department judged against him in a housing

case because he would not rent to african-americans and latinos. >> that's the troubling aspect is there's a history here. a player sued him alleging racism. the question is what has the nba done? are they going to take action? how are they going to react? to the political point because it's important. from the southern strategy to today, when mitt romney lost he said it's because obama gave gifts to his base. meaning minority voters or paul ryan saying we have a poverty problem because there's a cull chushl problem of urban men not knowing how to work. >> absolutely. so the other thing i did find interesting this week about bundy was how fast folks ran away. and it was interesting to note that a lot of them put out statements through their press secretaries, which is a fun trick. none of them went on camera and said this is deplorable, this is

horrible. through a spokesperson they put out paper statements rather than looking in the camera and saying this is awful. >> and they won't. are you holding your breath waiting for this to happen? >> oh, no. >> i don't think it's going to happen. this goes back to my point, they don't deal with the issue within its own ranks. they won't deal with it. the gop spokesman went on tv and said this is unfair, this is a double standard, pat quinn is the governor of illinois, a tasteless tweet he once sent out. but i don't know if i would call it racist. it wasn't this series of boom, boom, boom, racial things that happen over and over again. >> there's really an element. the reason why is there's an element of the base that believes this. you saw the "duck dynasty"

folks. it resinates with a mart of their base. it echoes something in their policies and it's hard for them to distance. >> they were probably not surprised and they can't call it out in a way that actually would alienate a large part of their base that believes exactly what bundy does. >> that's the challenge of the republican party at this juncture. they are trying to be a bigger party or find some way to appeal to minorities, not doing a great job. they have to contend with the fact that the base that they have essentially developed this kind of thing resinates with them. >> it resinates with the base. i started with the southern strategy in the '60s. the ideology and rhetoric of someone like bundy goes back to the confederacy, to be honest. if you look at the claims of sovereignty and not recognizing the u.s. government yet at the

same time, this is the right wing's welfare rancher at the end of the day in terms of the benefits that he has accrued from the federal government by not paying taxes. aside from all the rhetoric, let's look at the platform of the republican party. their policies and their platform is not about encouraging or addressing racial inequality. it's about preventing black people from higher education, it's about an aud adequate wage, it's about preventing all these things that would racial inequality. it's the opposite. regardless of what anybody says, the policies stand for themselves. >> we're going to talk about some of the rhetoric. the other thing about this incident really showed essentially it's not surprising he said some of the things he said when you listen to what a lot of the leaders in the republican party have said over the years. my panel is going to stick with me. government overreach, dependency culture and slavery.

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while supporters of clive and bundy are trying to walk back their comments, we have been hearing similar things from conservatives for years. whether it's attacks on the obama administration or comparisons of government programs like obamacare to slavery, these themes have been part of the conservative rhetoric as they stoke their base and insight fear. take a listen. >> liberty is under assault from every direction. >> we don't want a dependency

culture. >> we have a federal government ha thinks they have the authority to regulate our toilet seats and our lightbulbs. >> here's the one thing. this is going to cause a lot of proble problems. the government's irresponsible spending is turning us into slaves. >> gross government overreach is exemplified in the affordable care act. >> we're creating a sense of economic dependence, which to me s a form of modern slavery. >> it seems to me the president is busily at work trying to akwar power that he doesn't have. >> so should we really be surprised that a 67-year-old rancher who doesn't recognize the legitimacy of the government echoes similar themes? even glen beck who condemned the remarks and his refusal to pay grazing e fees said the following.

>> you can talk about the welfare state and say that it enslaves people, but it is not actual slavery. so it's not what he said but it's how he said it? government overreach, slavery is all engraved in the conservative montra and conservatives were just shooting the messenger. my panel is back with me. so what is the republican party's obsession with talking about slavery? >> there's two things here. there's this obsession with this is modern day slavery. somehow we're being attacked, our constituents are being attacked. there's that narrative, but there's the flip side of romanticizing what slavery was like and how good it must have been. so yet another contradiction. so there's black families under slavery, black boys had it

better under slavery, as bundy said, picking cotton, they had jobs. it was a a full employment program. on the one hand they want to romanticize slavery, but at the same time they are threaten ed y some notion that any kind of democratic policies would take them to slavery. >> one of the things about it i find so offensive is that it belittles what slavery really was. how evil it was, how destructive it really was. especially compared to health care for everybody. >> it shows the ignorance, the level of ignorance these people have. for bundy to talk about the fact that families were together and they sat on their porches like it was just a wonderful time. in fact, families were torn apart. it neglects the idea that there was a lot of violence that came upon black people at that time.

so to romanticize it makes it seem okay because actually it was better for you all. but quite frankly when we look at this, this really is folks who have not kboten over that big war. the war of northern aggression where they lost. wake up people, you lost. we now have a federal government that's a check on crazy people like bundy. >> the other part of this we hear time and time again is taking our country back. every time i hear that i'm like, who are you take iing it back f? which also represents a level of fear that the country is changing and so again, shuld we be surprised that you end up with a clive and bundy and a group of militia defending him echoing those same themes? skbli think exactly. who are we taking it from? the first black president.

so there's again. it's just so shocking that this week, as e we mentioned is the supreme court decision that said really for the most part race is no longer an issue and we can live in a post racial society. we were told that after the president was lelkt elected. and every time this happens, these same issues are kind of brushed under the rug. but the politics and the culture is never addressed because it's not addressed by republican who is can take a stand and start changing and moving forward on this issue. >> i want to look at a chart that shows the number of ainlt-government groups that sort of shot up after president obama was elected and hit an all-time high in 2012. again, it feels like we shouldn't be surprised at this anti-government, the slavery, all of that rhetoric that people are out there and they are soaking it in. they are reacting to it.

and yet the republican party takes no responsibility. they are comparing it to ruby ridge. that's inciting violence. >> it is. and this is a really important and e depressing point about our politics that the republican party won't engage this issue and won't talk about it in any kind of honest way. maybe the democrats have a similar shortcoming on some issue. i'm sure the democrats don't speak as sensibly about white people in the heartland as they might because that's not the democrats constituency anymore. maybe the democrats should do that. but race is a unique scar in this country's history. and slavery is poisonous sugs in this country's history. and the republican party should own up to this. you have to be willfully ignorant of what slavery was to talk some of the way these

people do. forget breaking up families. you had have from your village in africa to getting to the west coast to the united states, you had maybe a 50% chance of even becoming a slave in america. >> i also don't understand why these groups are called patriot groups. >> that's the thing. i completely agree. it's patriotic to not pay your taxes and mooch off the government and that's a great question. as they talk about government overreach, i keep thinking to myself i wonder if they think stop and frisk counts as government overreach. i bet you a lot of black and brown kids feel that that is government overreach. from their perspective having to follow the laws of the country and saying i'm not going to do it and i don't recognize this it country makes them patriots.

to the point we were talking about before, there's a portion of the conservative base that this message resinates. that's why i wanted o to play some of the sound in the beginning. that's why we're hearing these themes over and over and over. it's the politics and fear have worked for them for a long time. and the fact that we have changing demographics, it makes it even clearer that they have to ban together. and the willie hortons, they use the same play book year after year playing off the fears of people and what it does is gets people to vote against their interests. low income, poor white folks ban together with the hopes that one day they will be powerful too. >> we have to leave it there. my panel will stay. still ahead, indianapolis this weekend, the nra stokes fears of government overreach. how about that? but coming up next, instead of fearing others, let's celebrate an inspiring choice this week. did you get my e-mail? [ man ] i did.

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they intend to finish the job, make no mistake about it. to fulfill their commitment, their dream, of fundamentally transforming america. into an america that when they are through, you won't recognize. >> that was nra's nceo laying out the main message at the convention now underway in indianapolis. be afraid, be very afraid. why? because the country is changing so nra members better take up arms and defend. this has been the nra's strategy pr years. stoke people's fears about

shifting demographics, presidential overreach and threaten second amendment rights to rally them to the cause of free for all gun ownership. the scare tactics have been on full display and thrown all the your favorite conspiracy theories right into the mix. >> they use the heavy hand. >> they try to regulate our religion, they collect our cell phone and e-mail data. >> they have shown a clear willingness to use the powers of government to shut down anybody who disagrees with them. >> whether it's through obamacare, they are coming at it. >> we have a president who believes he has the power to make firearm policy in this country by executive order. >> if they had their way they would cut and paste the constitution and get rid of the second amendment entirely. >> here's the problem. the scare tactics appear to be working. gun sales were up nationwide and

for the talk about government coming for your guns, the op is true where gun laws have been passed this year. the nation's epidemic of gun violence shows no sign of ease i ing. 2013 it took the lives of 30 people per day. already this year guns have killed 347 children. joining us live from indianapolis is shannon watts, thank you for joining us. i want to start with you. how do you feel about the nra in your backyard? >> i mean it's certainly an interesting coincidence, but we are not talking to nra members. that's not our point. e we had over 300 moms and members today holding our own rally to say, nra leadership, they need to get on board with their members. 74% of whom actually support things like background checks.

so this is about an extremist nra leadership like you just saw in the clips you played. those are words to stoke fear and to protect their profit, not to protect our children's lives. >> they are coming off what they see is a big victory in georgia where there's guns everywhere law just passed and was signed into law. >> they, again, you think where have we been since newtown? a tragedy that really changed the nation, background check support, and still even after all those kids died, the nra became victorious. so you have gun group violence groups thinking what can we do, what tactics is the nra using that are working. and how can we use that to our advantage to kind of push the issue forward. it's amazing. >> they don't even want any

research. they blocked an effort asking for $10 billion for research. they see it as a nuisance so they block that. so we don't even have the kind of data we ought to be having about what's going on. >> this is an example of extremists putting their interest over the health and safety of children in this country. when more than 80% of nra members themselves, when 80% of republicans, that's more than a super majority who support background checks. when public opinion is overwhelmingly blocked, that gets to the problem of our politics. the fact that we need a billionaire to come in and spend $50 million to try to shift the needle on this issue. that lets you know our politics are broken in terms of whose interests win out. >> shannon, it seems that they

are trying to woo women. your effort is appealing to moms the nra has taken up a new effort to woo women with a campaign that's basically teaching women how to be armed and fabulous and basically saying don't be a victim and in fact, some believe that their recent support for violence against women, not blocking those efforts in the states is part of this appeal to women. >> well, first of all, we're not anti-gun. we support the second amendment, but the idea that the leaders are giving us a public service announcement is wrong. it's actually a marketing ploy. they want to sell more guns and make more profit for the gun manufacturers who sit on their board. that's what they want to try to do. what we want to do as mothers is save the lives of our children, of our family, of our community members. so for the first time ever, we

have placed a grass roots movement to go toe to toe with the gun lobby. we have 1.5 million supporters and now thanks to mayor bloomberg, we have $50 million on enrolling at least 1 million americans to commit to voting for gun sense in the midterms. >> one of the other goals of the nra meeting, is reciprocity for conceal o to carry. this is one of the stated things they will be fighting for. how effective is groups like shan nons will be in helping to stop that. we should have a lot of fear. we have to get back to the fact it's fear. so you say johnny go get your gun because you might get health care instead. you're talking about obamacare. but instead what we should be talking about is in chicago since friday, four people were killed, 26 were wounded.

that is the kind of talk that will help with women, with moms who are losing their children every day in places like chicago and throughout the country. so this concealed gun piece should go down because mothers should be against anyone being able to have a secret weapon. >> i'd also love to e see an effort targeting dads. dads have just as much to lose when their children are getting shot as moms do. >> dads don't pull much differently than moms do on t s this. the other aspect of fear here is politicians fear of the nra. that's really what this comes down to. if we can reach a point where through bloomberg's money or wherever else ha politicians don't fear the nra, that's when things will change. i know for a fact from talking to people, they'd like to vote the right way, but they fear the

nra too much. but joe mansion, i think, has really shown a way. he's gone back to west virginia and told people, explained his vote to them and explained his position and as far as i know, his approval ratings are fine. i think he's in pretty good shape. it can be done. >> can i just add to that? in 2012 in six of the seven senate races where the nra spent more than $100,000 they lost. we need to let folks know that the nra isn't as powerful as we'd like to think they are. in some ways they are losing credibility versus becoming stronger. >> shannon, that's part of what you're working on. so thank you on the work you're doing to help give politicians a little backbone to stand up to them. >> my panel stays. coming up, the constitution is supposed to protect the rights of all americans. some on the right want to dismantle affirmative action in the name of a post racial

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. we have been talking a lot this hour about the fear of a changing america amid-the mythology of a post racial america. it's a myth that was reenforced this week when the supreme court upheld michigan's began on higher education admissions ignoring its duty to protect the rights of the minority. in 2003 the university of michigan faced two lawsuits challenging its right to consider race in admissions. the supreme court ruled in their

favor saying that the university could consider race among other factors in admissions. opponents were not to be deterred. in 2006 they were successful in passing a ballot initiative in which voters ban consideration of race by a 58% majority. after being struck down on appeal, the case ended up in the supreme court and here we are today. with a majority ruling that says states are free to pass whatever laws they want, even if it means trampling on rights of a minority the supreme court under chief justice john roberts took what legal scholars are saying one more step away from the concept of federal supremacy. what about the duty to protect the rights of the minority when a law has an effect on a group of people? justice sotomayor hit the nail on a head writing in a 58-page decision that it e eviscerates

our equal protection for members of historically marginalized groups that rely on the federal courts to protect constitutional rights, the decision can hardly bolster hope for all the right to participate meaningfully and equally in self-government. right now eight states have laws that affirmative action is okay and we expect more could follow. i'll bring my panel back in to discuss. there's so much in this case that is disturbing. the note that we're color blind all all that. the idea of protecting the minority. >> so at the heart of of this case, the decision was not about whether or not affirmative action should change. it sets up some um pli indications of what's going to happen, however, what's important is the court looked at

the equal protection clause and basically the question was whether or not you could create a different kind of political process. so let's say in michigan you allow actually the board of governors of the universities to make decisions about affirmative action and you don't like that decision. the majority instead can take it and put it as a ballot initiative, which means that the majority rules. well, the equal protection clause is supposed to step in to protect the minority from majority rule that hurts the minority. but the supreme court said, no, that's not the case. that should not happen. this is a democracy. let majority win. >> and the breakdown of the vote is very interesting. 63% of voters were white who voted in favor in 2006. almost 14% were black. so that very referendum became a referendum. >> the majority of black folks who voted voted against it. the thing i found interesting in

the coverage of this that i found disturbing, people were saying this is about reverse racism. that was a lot of what we heard. and states rights. strengthening the rights of states, which is another part of what we were talking about. the federalism versus the rights of the states. states rights is an old code phrase that has an old meaning for a lot of people. >> it's funny how states rights ends up supporting one side against another side. and we know which side that is. the supreme court has been doing this in many realms and this is going to continue and it is going to change the way affirmative action works in america. i don't think there's been a more dramatic decision than that case in louisville. it's resegregated schools all over the country. but now it's going to start happening at the level of higher

education. and it's something that a culture working against that that it's going to have to work hard to broadcast itself. >> it's interesting. a man calls himself a one man organization and challenges programs that relies on race. he was behind shelby county versus holder. but he is actually in the process of trying to go to other schools to find other people to bring these kinds of cases and work their way up to the supreme court, i suppose. >> this is an organized effort with a lot of money behind it. >> if we really lived in post racial america, folks like that guy, he would be launching ballot initiatives against universities that take up many more slots than the few people

of color that are in these colleges and universities. if it's about privilege and fairness, why not target legacy. that's mostly white people because people of color are excluded for most of our colleges and universities. it just opens up and makes clear that this is really about racial retrenchment and racial fear. >> i'm worried about the trajectory because if you're taking swipes at the equal protection clause, what protection do minority people have under the constitution. we have an equal protection clause for a reason. >> isn't part of the answer so that the culture is trying to say to us, john roberts said it, a lot of black folks showed up to vote so must not be a problem anymore. >> say say get over it. scalia says that the equal protection cause is not about group rights, it's about individual rights. hello, why was it passed,

because of slavery, which was about a group, not about an individu individual. so it's really sad because we are headed in a really wrong direction. i think everyone should read the opinion of justice sotomayor. it lays out the history it talks about why race matters today. she takes really good swipes at her fellow justices but she lays out the law and why we should be very scared of the way that this court is heading. >> the other thing, where does it stop in terms of using ballot measures to get what you want. >> we see a push to make this same thing happen in wisconsin. this has real consequences. african-american women enrollment, down 30%. no more than 18 african-americans in the michigan law school since this came down. so it hurts the student body but

it also hurts african-americans. . >> that has implications for judges. who are going to be the black judges and the prosecutors and how are we going to impact not only who is going to be the black lawyers, but also the conversation that happens in a law school class. >> of course. i think since we're becoming a majority minority country, it should be about proportionality u. you have to make sure you represent the culture that we are and not the sort of issues of the wealthy few. we shall see. i want to thank my panel. and that does it for me. thanks so much for joining us. i will see you back here tomorrow afternoon at 4:00 p.m. eastern. have a great night. cars are driven by people.

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