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>> ignorance ranking. flagrant foul, were the alleged comments made by donald sterling. >> it could cost the owner his tame. >> the outrage continue toss dominate social media. >> they stage a protest by wearing shirts inside-out during the warmups. >> it's the worst-kept secret in the nba. >> sue are by his former general manager for having a quote/unquote plantation atmosphere on the team. >> president obama spoke on the controversy. >> the other issue on his mind when he was giving those rachellely charged comments that came from the nevada rancher. >> racism and discrimination is rampant. it just takes different forms. >> the only reason he's in trouble is he did not give enough money to obama. >> what sterling has done is so abhorrent. the question is, what does the nba do now? >> who's going to want to buy
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this guy's team merchandise. >> it's a defining moment in the history of this league. we are monitoring the situation in mississippi, where a tornado has touched down. we will bring you an update as it happens. but first the most important story of the day. that's a brief wikipedia edit which pretty much sums of the current case of los angeles clippers owner donald sterling. sterling, whose reputation is anything but, the nba has scheduled a press conference tomorrow, sponsoring including red bug, kia, virgin america, car max and state farm are calling a time-out. all of this as he was allegedly caught on tape for his girlfriend posts a photo on her
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instagram account. a recording first posted by tmz. >> people call you and say i have black people on nigh instagram and it bothers you? >> it bothers me a lot. if you want to broadcast you're associating with black people. how about your whole life, every day you can do whatever you want. you can sleep with them, bring them in, do whatever you want. the little i ask you is not to promote it and not to bring them to my games. >> that recording has not been independently verified, but if confirmed, it would hardly about ellist first foul. he's faced federal allegations for racist housing sdrimations, a lawsuit that ended with him not admitting liability, but still paying nearly $3 million in damages. he faced a civil lawsuit from nba hall of famer and former longtime clippers executive elgin baylor, who contended
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decades long discrimination nevertheless there are those who could suggest if his alleged racist remarks come as a shock, you probably haven't been paying attention. his reputation is such that you could say if you keep a vicious dog for a while and know he's vicious, you can't be surprised when one day it bites someone. >> if he's gotten by banks on amnesia, perhaps this is the moment people finally stop forgetting to remember. joining me is the host of msnbc's politics nation and president of the national action network. the reverend al sharpton. i know you've been very involved in this case. what would you like to see done?
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>> i think they must do what they can do in a maximum penalty to him and prepare his exit as owner. the first thing, though, is i think that we need to stop stalling. either he is the voice on the tape or not. this was first brought to our attention and the rest of the country's attention by tmz on saturday. this is now monday. you do not need four days to verify somebody's voice. so let's stop playing games. is it him or not? if it is him, the nba has to choose whether they're saying we can excuse and find it acceptable for an owner to have this kind of behavior, and this does not violate or standards for ownership. that's what is at stake here. anything short of that is a distraction or deviation. the other thing is for advertisers to decide. we said yesterday we were going to start calling advertisers we
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had some of them, as you said, have already dropped out, some -- i got a call this morning from steve stout, a marketing brilliant young marketer who has started on his own reaching some of thinks clients. so i think that as the money is withdrawn and if the nba withdrawn, then we have set a great precedent here about how we deal with racial intoleranc . if that does not happen, we have gone back to pre-jackie robinson days in american sports where we're really saying people can use sports as a platform and practice their bigotry while they make millions of dollars. >> it is a searing indictment of donald sterling, of course, if the tapes are his voice. rev, i think one of the things that confuses all of us new to the ways of donald sterling is this has been going on, it has been recorded, it is in court record, these allegations of racism, for decades, and yet --
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i know you addressed this earlier, the naacp was going to give him a lifetime achievement award in may, he's already awarded one award from the naacp. how did that happen, knowing what this man has done, his track record, why would an organization, in your mind, not only not fight -- continue to fight donald sterling, but laud him? >> this was the los angeles chap, knolls the whole naacp, and i don't know their rationale. i didn't even know sterling was on their program until this came out. so i don't know what their criteria is or is not. i do know i was with the head of the naacp, the interim president, on yesterday, and she informed me this was a chapter decision and they've withdrawn it. i think that it is a question for the chapter, but frankly i think it is more interesting to me that people want to question
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the naacp chapter than the nba. i'm more interested with the nba that made him an owner than somebody who may or may not have given him a plaque. >> the new head of the nba said he did not know any of this about donald sterling, but he's been with the nba since 1992. do you find his allegations that this is all news to him somewhat suspect? >> i don't know what capacity he was there, someone in the nba should have known, and whoever that is, it clearly didn't bother them. we all know now, so what are we going to do now? he knows now, adam silver, now the president of the nba, the advertisers know now, so i'm the kind of person that's why our organization is national action network, i'm about action. i'm not about let's lay on the couch and forget about what we did wrong coming up at children. let's not about what we coulda,
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woulda, shoulda done. if that is him, what are we going to do about it? >> as always, keep up the fight. do nonforget to catch rev at 6:00 p.m. right here omsnbc. joining mess from washington is eugene robinson. here in new york, entertainer artist kamal bell. it has been a crazy week, month, year in race relations? i just -- i'll start with you, eugene. let me first play this one piece of sound. that whole kind of exchange that is being credited, i guess you could call it to donald sterling is outrageous, but this piece in particular stuck out to me. let's take a listen to it. >> do you not know that you have a whole team that's black that pays for? >> do i know? i support them and gives them
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fool and closes and cars and houses. who gives it to them? do i know? who makes the game? do i make the game or do they make the game? >> this is the plantation that elgin baylor was talking about, right? he seems to be unaware that the players are making him the money so he can get his food, houses and clothes. >> exactly. the whole strategy of the former commissioner, david stern, who's wildly successful in building the nba and what it is today, is -- his whole idea is that the players do make the game, and so it's the players, their personalities, they are the stars of the league. nobody knows who league owners are and nobody really cares who the owners are until something like this happens. you know, for all anybody cares, who knows what lurks in the hearts of other team owners. i assume it's not this stuff, and i hope it's not this stuff. but when it comes out in the
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open like this, that's a whole different situation, and it -- it -- it means that people have to act, not just the league, but fans and spectators, people who might buy merchandise and buy games. they're going to have to think about it. >> you know cam kamal, we are talking about cliven bundy last week, it seems every week there's these almost confederate ideas about race come to the surface. are we getting worse as a country on the subject of color? >> i think people forget, they say how can we have these ideas in 2014. donald seral is not from 2014. he's -- and cliven bundy is no spring chicken. >> they can reminisce about where they could get any seat at the counter and now it's gone. but they think civil rights is a fad, you know what i'm saying?
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>> now cliven bundy is on a sort of more rural isolated part of the country, which is no excuse for the views he holds. donald sterling is in the world, has a team mostly made of african-american men who are making him a lot of money. he has a girlfriend, a mistress, who apparently is a person of color, to whom he said at one point, can you sleep with black people, you can do anything you want with them, just don't put photos of this emon your instagram account. it's just the physical manifestation of those relations, the visual evidence was too much for him apparently. >> and all of that intersects with the plantation mentality form people say how can you own a basketball team? historically the guys who own black people, pretty racist, you know what i mean? those things can all live together. it's called the antebellum
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south. >> it seems that he won't make a boatload of cash, and we're talking about what is the desired outcome? it's hard to imagine an outcome that seems just, giving what he said. >> look, first of all, how do they take the team away from him? the nba's bylaws, according to i was talking with bob costas earlier, who said the commissioner can fine him i think up to a million, with suspend him for a period of time, but not forever, and in terms of forcing him to give up the team, you know, the commissioner needs the other owners to gather with him, to kind of to do that. so if they all pressure him and say, look, we want you out, then that might well work, but from what we know of sterling, what he is almost certainly going to do is say, okay, you want me out?
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here's my price. i was talking to somebody in l.a. today who knows him, has had dealings with him and knows a bit about the finances of the team, told me his price is likely to be more than a billion. the team is assessed at something like $700 million, if indeed he does decide to say, you know, okay, i will leave, just give me the money. kamal, we keep trying to learn a lesson, and i haven't figured out what that is. the president was asked about this, and he said -- when ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance, you don't have to do anything, you let them talk. that's what happened here. this is in line with some other things he said at my brother's keep keeper, one of the his initiative. to some, i think a lot of people take issue and say, no, the onus is not on young black men.
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they have plenty of onus to deal with, in the same way the onus is not the person listening to these remarks to grin and bear it or walk away. the onus is on the person saying the racist stuff. >> yes. >> what did you make of that piece of advice or assessment? >> that he as been beaten up by the congress for a long time, a bit roadweary, and no, this is the time to accept up and do something. that's why i think thank got this happened during the social media era. this is the time that we can actually put pressure on these companies and as the sponsors have been leaving one by one. they'll be have the commercials that sell us your gold. the commercials that got glenn beck off the air. he's going to stay rich. >> he's going to stay rich, but can be tarnished, as it were. >> eugene robinson, and kamal,
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we are following breaking news in minneapolis minneapolis, where a tornado has touched down near tupelo in the northeastern part of the state. the mississippi emergency management agency says there are reports of damage in the area, and while no injuries or deaths have been reported, they stress it is still early and remains a very active situation. this is the latest in a violent and deadly storm system that killed at least 16 in three days
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just yesterday. joins me is bret adair, who is in egypt, mississippi. bret, can you give us the latest from your end? >> yeah, we've got a pretty serious situation involves from the tupelo area all the way south at the moment with several supercell thunderstorms that are producing tornadoes, as you guys have been made aware of, such as the one that hit tupelo a few moments ago. >> bret, do we have a sense of whether there are -- when tornadoes hit, there's obvious a period of time during which an area is under watch. do we have a sense of how long the watch period may last in this part of the state? >> really, it looks like especially the area east of i-55 and mississippi, and north of interstate 20 are under the gun, as well as western alabama. it looks like they'll be
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completely under the gun for the next several hours. >> bret adar, storm chaser, thanks for the update. please stay safe. coming up, bill o'reilly reminds america about his strange obsession with jay z and beyonce. this time he things a married mother is promoting teen pregnancy in the african-american communities. details are next. hey kevin...still eating chalk for hearburn? yea. try alka seltzer fruit chews. they work fast on heart burn and taste awesome.
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the goal here is not to go after mr. putin personally. the goal is to change his calculus and to encourage him to actually walk the walk and not just talk the talk when it comes to diplomatically resolving the crisis in ukraine. >> that was president obama at a press conference in the fill philippines a few hours ago. the new sanctions impose travel
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bans, includes two members of president putin's inner circle. women washington igor sechin, one of the his closest allies, an ma who's been called russia's darth vader and the scariest man on earth, controlling 40% of crude oil production in russia, one of the most powerful pen in ha country. today's sanctions also froze the assets of 17 companies. arier today, nbc's andrea mitchell spoke with u.s. treasury secretary jack lew about the aim of these sanctions. >> our gold is not to hurt the russian people, it's to get them to change their policy. the goal will, you think realized if we continue to work at it step by step working with our allies, to make sure the pressure is not just from the united states, but from the
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world community. the without stopped short of -- but in a statement, the administration said it is prepared to impose still greater costs if russia continues its prove indications. yesterday the eight european military observers being detained by pro-russian militants were paraded before reporters at a press conference, but they were not released. today the mayor of the eastern ukrainian city of harkiv was shot by unknown gunmen while taking a jog. another building was -- peter baker, you've been thoroughly and exhaustively covering all of this. perhaps you can decipher what is going on, what the goal is here with the latest round of sanctions. on a call earlier today, a senior unnamed administration official said we don't expect there to be an immediate change
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in russian policy. at the same time, you heard jack lew just saying our goal is a change in russian policy. so what is the practical reality here? >> well, the practical reality is the united states is trying to stay close to europe on this. they want to make sure there's no crack in the unity they're presenting against russia, and if that means that the obama administration doesn't go quite as far or quite as fast as some of its critics would like it to go, they're willing to make that sacrifice in order to present in united front against russia. >> but there has been some consternation even inside the white house, critics obviously outside, who have questioned whether this approach isn't slowing things down and is as effective as it could be if this administration would choose to go unilaterally. >> there is a line of argument inside the administration as well as out that it takes the united states to lead and europe tends to follow. if the united states waits for a
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28-member european union to get agreement among all the those different members, that's just a recipe for inaction. it's not surprising that europe doesn't move as swiftly, or as decisively as the united states could do if it chose to, because they do have so much different citi constituencies to satisfy. and this argument that the president should be pushing forward and not worrying quite so much if the europeans are there, because ultimately they will join behind washington's leadership. >> let's talk about the questions of leadership here, peter. the question has reiterated several times, this is not about going after putin personally. i guess i question -- i mean, it's confusing. you wrote a piece that i thought was deeply intriguing about whether or not putin himself has amassed billions of dollars in fortune which has been sort of sequestered and secreted away among various russian companies. do you think that fortune exists? and do you think, if so, do you
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think there's any chance that anyone can effectively target it? >> yeah, that's a great question. nobody knows for sure. obviously there has been suspicion for many years that putin has money or interests, shares of companies, so on, but there's been very little proof, if any, really that definitively demonstrates that. for the first time the united states government last month said in sanctioning one of these billionaires, that putin has personal investments in that guy's company, an oil-trading commodity, the company based in switzerland denies it adamantly, but that's the first time you've ever heard the government say it, and they tent to not say things that they don't have some comfort in defending it. a lot of what you hear out there is speculative, and it's hard to down exactly what fact southbound and what suspicion might be. >> as with all things diplomatic, it is a dan on not quite firm ground. i want to know what you think
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putin's goal at this point is. because some analysts say, look, the further invasion is not where he wants to be. it's not effective on a number of fronts. as you look at the situation, and one tries to get inside the mind of have laid mer putin, what do you think the desired outcome might be? >> to some extent he's got it, a ukraine that's destabilized, unable to control its own borders, and therefore is not joining the west to become a member of nato. it's too much of a basket case, and in effect you know pro-russian forces control eastern parts of ukraine without russian troops going in in an overt invasion type of way. if you could have the results you want without having to send in tanks, that may be the course that putin is aiming for at this point. having said that, i think we
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ought ought to be careful about pretending we can read his mind. that's one that's eluded analysts for many years, and one of the reasons we're in this situation today, i think. >> peter baker, you have been doing an awesome job reporting this story. thanks for your time. >> appreciate it. after the break, is the open internet about to change forever? a key decision by the government is raising new doubts about the future of the worldwide web. i will talk with timothy lee about net neutrality and the need for speed. that's next on now. vo: once upon a time
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backseat to no one in my commitment to network neutrality, because once providers start to privilege some applications or web sites over others, then the smaller voices get squeezed out and we all lose. >> that was candidate obama? a visit to google hq during his first presidential run. network neutrality, the aspirin tell that providers should treat all information on the web equally was a platform in the first and second campaign for president. in fact a look back at president obama's 2008 website has a whole issues page on technology and innovation. component number one of his plan -- ensure the full and free exchange of information through an open enter in the and diverse media outlets. last week fcc chair and
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former lobbyist tommer announced -- they will propose rules to -- moves fasters on the internet. msnbc and nbc universal are owned by comcast. if the rules go through as planned, this could mean the end of net neutrality and sanctioning of pay to play on the interneat. major content providers could pay internet providers for higher internet connection speeds, but smaller companies, the net flexes of tomorrow could be relegated to a second tier. the implications for innovation could be devastating. as for the providers that claim neutrality hurts that are bottom line and keep claiming that the internet and forces consumers to pay more -- those providers seems to be doing okay. they already charge about $60 or more per month for a service that costs less than $5 to provide. as tim woo writes in "the new
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york yorker" the rule threatens to make the internet just like everything else, unequal in a way that deeply threatens or long-term prosperity. timothy b. lee joins me. thanks for joining mess. there's a lot of analysis, and everybody seems to have a different read of what's happening here. in your professional opinion, what are the implications for a free and open internet given where the f krflt c is at this moment? >> thanks for having me on, alex. i think one of the big problems is nobody really knows what the implications are. the rule that the fcc announced, the key term is commercially reasonable. it says that isps are allowed to discrimination if it's reasonable. nobody really knows what that means. so, you know if the fcc takes a very strict line, it might end up being somewhat similar to the previous rules that the court struck down. if they take -- set a low
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standard, it might end up meaning very little regulation at all, but we really don't know. you know, we talk about national security and security policy and the sort of gray language, or the language that provides gray area, because so much of the technology, whether it's drone war fare or targeted strikes is ahead of the actual policymaking. the internecessarily seems to almost be a parallel situation, right? commercially reasonable circumstancea 2014 may be a completely different thing in 2016 or 2020. it feels like part of the reason we have such a problem here is because the body tasked with actually responding to changes in society, which is congress, has totally punted on actually legislating around this issue in particular. you have written about that. tell us a bit more. >> yeah, exactly. the legislation that everybody is debating about and lit gatting over is the 1996 telecommunications act. justin bieber was a toddler when
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that legislation was passed. it has a lot of terminology written before the term "net neutrality" was coined, before capable mod manies, in fact the term commercial and reasonable wasn't something in the act, it was something the courts came up more recently trying to interpret that. if we had a functional legislature, we would have all this controversy, our elected representatives would get together, come up with a compromise and then the fcc would implement the policy congress came up with, but congress has become so polarized that essentially we just have the courts and the fcc which are unelected bodies making what are effectively policy decisions. >> is there -- you know, again you are more well versed on this subject than i by far. is there a legitimacy to the argument from the internet service providers, in terms of not being able to serve the customer as well by virtue of not being ability to charge
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certain companies more for greater bandwid thy effective think? >> i don't have a lot of sympathy for the argument that this needs to happen. the internet has largely worked on a -- you know, consistent with net neutrality for 20 years and it's worked well. i think there's some legitimate question about whether or not you can define that neutrality clearly enough to have rules that people can comply with of the the other issue, you mentioned netflix and this deal where there was an agreement they had a few weeks ago with comcast to get faster service, that's actually not included in the rules that the court struck doi earlier this year or the new ones that chairman wheeler proposed. so i think one of the problems is there needs to be a broader conversation about other aspects of the internet. that's not necessarily going to get the goals that these open internet advocates want. senior adviser as vox.com, thanks for your time. >> thanks, alex.
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imagine. we want to give you a firsthand look. i'm standing in the doorway of what was an auto and rv sales center. you can see this debris. believe it or not, three people inside this building. as the storms moved in, they rushed through the structure and to this area. through this door and down into the basement, even took a stray cat. everybody survived. when they came out very little left, and virtually nothing left of the 60 recreational vehicles that filled this parking lot, just twisted metal respect shattered glass. faulkner county, arkansas likely the hardest hit. there are ten confirmed deaths, there's concern from the officials that number could grow as they continue their search and recovery evidence here, alex. >> thank you, jay gray with the latest. coming up, congress has finally sauntered back to work. maybe this is the week that they finally get something done for the more than 2 million
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beyonce is currently on "time" magazine as one of the country's 100 most influential people. for bill o'reilly apparently this meant another opportunity to continue his strange crusade. on a show friday, he opined about the lyrics and videos that are part of her latest album, words and images he believes encourage teen pregnancy. >> there are deficits we see with children unsupervised are doing things harmful to them. beyonce is part of that problem,
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ebony. this woman knows that young girls getting pregnant in the african-american community now, about 70% out of the wedlock. she nose and doesn't seem to care, that's my problem with her. >> what is particularly bizarre about accusing beyonce knowles of incrieding teen pregnancy is she has famously public in a long-term committed relationship with her husband of ten years. the couple had their daughter years after they wed. as one of the examples of the sexually corrupted nature of beyonce's music, the video for "drunk in love" is what o'reilly cites. it shows her dancing with no one other than her husband. the scandal. beyonce is not contributing to teen pregnancy president if anything she is a symbol for young listeners of what a healthy and committed relationship looks like and what a successful woman does when she makes it to the top.
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after the break, as congress returns from recess, there is plenty of lawmaking to do, but for republicans heading into the mid terms why take up unemployment assistance or, when you can vote to repeal obamacare all day long. that's next.
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after two weeks of vacation, congress is back in session. it is looking like this nine-week stretch will be a no good very bad one as far as doing the work of congress is actually concerned. between immigration reform, restoring lost unemployment assistance, tax reform, gun safety, raising the minimum wage, the list of things congress has not yesterday accomplished is long, and it is probably bound to stay that way. with mid terms right around the corner, according to the a.p., the only thing likely to become law are those things that simply
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have to pass, such as a measure to avoid a government shutdown. that is a short, short list. it gets even shorter if you leave off things that can wait until a post election lame-duck session, joining me is michael steel and congressional reporter for buzzfeed, kate nocera. i guess we've come some place now that a big to keep government open is something congress may not have to litigate? that's a good sign? it's baby steps here, but i wonder if you think that continued sort of repeals for that he ricks on this are the way to win back the senate this year. from a pure political standpoint in certain stasis, yeah. it puts democrats in red states running for the senate in a very
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noxious position. what we have seen also is certain senators, or at least candidates beginning to push back on that idea and beginning to run into the wind of the aca, and actually put out campaign commercials touting this idea that this has been good for the country. so it will be interesting to see how it ultimately plays out. from a political standpoint, it makes sense for the republicans to play the cards they have. i personally would not necessarily rely exclusively on that card, but, you know, but some in leadership believe that will be their way to winning the senate this fall. >> you know, kate jonathan chafe points out that the president has set out to do other things that republicans in another parallel universe would be happy to run on, including the long awaited epa rules, and the white house is hinting they'll announce things relating to immigration. there's a narrative that.
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those two things would fit quite neatly into the narrative. i will take issue with the narrative itself, and yet it doesn't feel like, at least from this moment that they're going to be campaign issues for 2014. >> well, i think, especially with immigration, the republicans are in such a sort of strained position. we have seen her come out in the last weeks over the breaks, boehner making comments in ohio, cathy mcmoreries-rogers touting immigration, yet i don't see any chance of that really happening, you know, right now, or really in the near future. if it's going to happen, it's going to have to be in the next couple months if they're going to strike any type of deal. you see a lot of republicans kind of running against the president on immigration, but wanting immigration reform to happen. in the next couple weeks are going to be -- we're in campaign
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ceden, and that's kind of where all the messaging will come, from both the senate and the house. >> michael -- chairman, michael. >> no, michael is better. >> mr. steele. chairman, you know, boehner's comments flabbergasted me, not just that what he was saying you but how he said it, the smocking semisive cantankerous tone he was taking with members of his own party. i'm sure there are plenty of republicans that actually agree with him, both inside the has of congress and outside. did he do a service to the party in saying that stuff, or did he do a disservice? >> i think he did. i i applauded him for saying it the way he said it. speaker boehner understands he's got to get something doen this year. the one thing you want done is immigration. there's a real window of opportunities for the republicans going into midterm elections that at the beginning the year were time-outed as a
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slam dunk, which i suspect by the time we get to labor day won't be as much as a slam dunk as people think. this is an important card to play. so to lay out very honestly, i'm dealing with a caucus that's whining don't do this, we can't vote on this, i think that's his frustration really coming through in and out and trying to move the agenda for certain aspects of the republican agenda seven as it is on immigration, and certainly you saw the response to jeb bush's, you know, ideas on the subject. again, there is a window of opportunity that the republicans themselves are closing. >> but kate, to a certainly degree every time, and you pointed this out, when the word immigration is spoken, it's kind of like the vacuum that is the policy side of the republican aisle is apparent, right? >> right. >> in the same way, we know that harry reid sell he would file clot injure on the bill to raise
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minimum wage, it serves as an act of contrast, we're trying to do this for the american workers, the republicans are stalling the bills, sitting on it or doing nothing. >> i think republicans would argue they're trying to do things for the american people as well, and they're all stalling in the senate. that's something you'll hear again and again. things that have bipartisan support, like the keystone pipeline, there is a report today in politico that that might get a vote next week. i think both sides are hunkering down, deciding what their best plays are leading up to the election and the contrast -- they want to contrast with each other. house republicans want to move on jobs bills, want to continue to talk about repealing obamacare, because that's their opinions. that's the same thing with the democratic side.
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>> unemployment assistance has expired for 2.3 million americans. every week that congress fails to act, another 70,000 jobless workers lose the lifeline. you think there's any chance john boehner does something? >> i think there is. i think that's one of those unfortunate to say, it's sleeper issues that will probably see some movement, but i think kate is right. i think everybody is just jockeying to see what's their best play right now. the budget still hasn't been passed bit by the senate, so on both sides there's room. >> it will be a busy december. michael steele and kate nocera thank you for your time. that's all for now. i'll see you tomorrow. "the ed show" is up next. good evening, americans. welcome to the ed show. \s. let's get to work.