♪ >> there's a loud delusional minority that's driving our politics that controls the republican party. >> this is the smoking gun. >> speaker john boehner is forming a select committee to investigate -- >> darrell issa subpoenaed john kerry. >> over 25,000 documents. >> what else about benghazi is the obama administration still hiding? >> without trying once again. >> monument tally misleading. >> we know he has a long standing relationship with various characters. >> false and based on no intelligence. >> including the al qaeda organization. >> maybe this all does have to do with hillary running for president. maybe 20 months ago they anticipated that and they started covering up then. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. i've always been one to not take

the bait. i'm the guy that likes to do the fishing. i'm the guy that likes to do the stories that nobody else is doing. but this one time tonight, i'm going to start with a story that i just don't think a lot of liberals in this country are terribly concerned with. but let's not be disfocused for a moment. i want to start tonight with a couple of numbers. the first number is nine. house republicans will form the ninth congressional committee to investigate the september 12th attacks in benghazi. here go your tax dollars, folks. today house speaker john boehner selected south carolina conservative republican trey gowdy to head up this new committee. the next number i want to focus on is 1,101. fox news has mentioned the word benghazi no fewer than over a thousand times in the past year. now, one more important number. and that would be six. tomorrow marks six months away from the midterm elections.

that's what this is all about. republicans have one strategy and one strategy alone to distract the american people from the real issues for the next six months. they've got to drive it home. this is their chance. they've got a memo now that's not quite what they want. so this is the big story. now, to keep mentioning benghazi, the right wing has basically manufactured hysteria over the release of new white house memos and this special committee gave benghazi the spotlight on the sunday news talk shows. >> we didn't have actionable intelligence about 9/11, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. >> if democrats are shielding the administration and trying to protect them and if the administration tried to protect themselves, because they couldn't stand the truth about benghazi, then they'll get burned. >> that's an interesting comment by the senator from south carolina. that there might be some members in the house who were shielding the president of the united

states. yet on the other hand we keep hearing about how president obama doesn't have very good relations with a lot of house members. who are all these shields that are out there? republicans believe this story will fire up their base. the world will turn for them. they'll do their very best to whip up controversy to convince people to care about it. got to care about benghazi. fox news will continue to give this manufactured story countless hours of coverage you can count on it. on fox news sunday, lashed out at former congresswoman jane harman who mocked the conservative obsession with benghazi. >> the question was whether in the aftermath of the attack when sending the ambassador out to explain it to everybody and she did so falsely that there wasn't a conspiracy to create the false talking points that she used. >> i mean, it's coming from the part of the world that has a tremendous amount of unrest. those talking points better be

perfect, dude. to conservatives equate exchanging the word attack into a demonstration with lying to get us into a war. now, when colin powell made his iraq presentation to the united nations in 2003, he was accused of fabricating evidence and ignoring repeated warnings and pre-war iraq intelligence. meanwhile, dick cheney was out and about. oh, yeah. he was spreading fear about terrorism to drum up support for united states involvement in iraq. >> how do you deter a terrorist when there's nothing they value that they're prepared to defend? when they're prepared to sacrifice their own lives in an effort to kill americans. where might these terrorists acquire weapons of mass destruction? saddam hussein becomes a prime suspect. we know he's out once again trying to produce nuclear weapons. and we know he has a long standing relationship with

groups like the al qaeda organization. >> now, they knew a lot of stuff back then before we got involved. i wonder what those talking points looked like. i wonder if they used the word war or battle or commitment. we're talking about certain vernacular to communicate a dire situation to the american people. if republicans -- if they get control of both houses after the midterm, they'll try to stretch the benghazi issue as far as it'll go. all the way out to another two or three years. if -- it's basically their only chance to bring down hillary clinton, that's what this is about, to scar the president. the right wing has failed doing what? well, they have failed to derail the conversation about the economy. they tried to. it didn't work. they failed to derail this thing called obamacare. voted 50 times to get rid of it. all these numbers are coming in that are good. and republicans basically are failing on all fronts. the only thing republicans have

got left right now is benghazi. it's benghazi. the conservative mission is to get the american people, that would be you, to believe democrats are covering up for president obama. in fact, they're probably holding back door meetings. what are we going to do now? we've got to protect obama. no. it isn't happening. although fox news contributor george wilson said democrats will try to make the benghazi investigation look like an obvious partisan exercise. >> i do not know why any democrat would want to participate in this. by boycotting it it just becomes a redundant and obviously partisan republican exercise. and it's only a matter of time before democrats raise the following question. would there be a select committee if it didn't want to have the power to subpoena the former secretary of state hillary clinton for obviously reasons pertaining to presidential politics. >> and george will, i don't know why you, a self-proclaimed

accredited journalist would follow the mob of conservatives who think that this is a huge issue for america. the conservative perspective is president obama avoided it because he wanted to get re-elected in 2012. they're dead wrong on that too. the reasons president obama got re-elected is because the democrats focused on what the american people wanted. you know, caring about jobs, voting rights, womens rights, equal rights, social justice. and let's not forget the affordable care act. and let's not forget about saving the american automobile industry. all those kinds of things drove a few folks to the polls. the majority of americans are with the democrats to this day on the major issues. we have 90% of americans in this country who want some kind of background checks on firearms. we have the majority of americans in this country who want to do minimum wage like almost 7 out of 10 americans. we have the majority of americans in this country who think that obamacare is working.

this is about focus. and disfocus. the president of the united states and the democrats want you to focus on what is really important to this country for the next generation. meantime, the republicans wrong on all the issues, polling across the board, want you to focus on something that is sad, it's tragic, but there's no lie. there's no coverup. there's no conspiracy. and yet there's going to be more benghazi hearings. are you yawning yet? this is why ed shultz is not covering the story, because there's nothing there. the only thing that's there right now is for them to gin up you the same way they ginned up the american people back in 2003 because we were 45 minutes to a mushroom cloud. did you know that? he had wmd, he had it all, we had to go. got to fight them over here instead of fight 'em here. let's just work with the truth

for once. don't you find it interesting that everybody on fox news thinks that benghazi is a big story? and don't you find it interesting that not one democrat has stepped out and said, there might be something new here. we better look at this. no. this is what happens when you have the power in the house. you can call as for as many subpoenas as you want. you can call for as many hearings as you want. you can waste tax dollars to the nth degree. that's what's happening here. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, will the republican benghazi strategy help them take control of congress? text "a" for yes. text "b" for no. 67622. you can always go to our blog. we'll bring results later in the show. let's go to one of those congressional members on the democratic side out there to protect president obama. john mindy of california who

sits on the armed services committee. good to have you with us tonight. how are you doing? >> i'm doing very well, ed. this thing is going on and on to boredom actually. the armed services committee actually did a hearing. and the result was there's nothing here. obviously a great tragedy, but ed, during the george w. bush period, there were 13 attacks on various embassies and consulates around the world. 60 people dies. in karachi there was a death of one of our diplomats. those were not investigated during that period of time because it was a tragedy. keep in mind that the 2012 budget, the president proposed $1.8 billion for security. the house republicans came back with $1.4 billion. and ultimately wound up with a $200 million less money than president obama wanted to secure it. why? because the republicans refused to provide the money for security. did that have something to do

with benghazi? maybe. >> congressman, not one democrat has stepped out and said there might be something here. whoo wha do you make of that? >> we have much more important things to do. this has been investigated as you said eight times before. this will be the ninth time. this is old, old news. and in fact, it's a tragedy. it was a serious tragedy. could it have been prevented? perhaps. but it did happen. now, what do we need to do going forward? do we need to investigate it again? no. what we need to do is what you said a moment ago. that is to focus on jobs in this nation. we need to focus on the republican budget that just passed the house of representatives which blows a major, major hole in the construction industry in this nation. by basically not funding transportation and a host of other things. >> congressman, what about this renewed fascination with benghazi? do you -- can you honestly say

that there is absolutely nothing in these e-mails that would warrant any type of extra effort or investigation because the white house may have lied and misled the american people? >> well, i don't think -- we certainly didn't see the white house lying at all. they were trying to get the story out just moments after it happened. they didn't have all the information. we've known that. that's in the testimony. that's well known by everybody. but i think one of the interesting things that's going to happen is going to be a fight in the republican caucus. darrell issa has been on this issue for years and now they've appointed another fellow to take up a special committee. we're going to have to watch to see how these committees work together. my guess is there's going to be a brawl between the two committees. >> okay. congressman garamendi from the house. good to have you with us tonight. thank you. >> you bet. >> let me turn to former chief

of staff of colin powell. good to have you with us tonight. do you think americans care about benghazi? do you think obviously we care about any american that loses his or her life overseas, but what are we with this? do you really think there is a smoking gun there as lindsey graham has stated? >> well, of course americans care at least the great majority of them do. i care. i think the accountability review board headed by ambassador career ambassador tom picker pick pickering. both men for whom i have respect. a great deal of respect as a matter of fact. and dick shenek who is the real horse of the arb. found substantial problems in the rotation of diplomatic security agents, and assistant secretariat leadership in one or two cases.

and in most substantially the host nation, the libyans who are really -- we forget this. they are the real security for our consulates and embassies. the host nation people. they fail miserably. so i think this has been looked at. it's been looked at in spades. the one aspect of it that may not have been looked at that tom talked about at his press conference was the classified aspect. and they have to look into that for reasons you and i know. that classified aspect may show the cia had more culpability. that's usually the case when the cia is involved as they were so substantially. but this issue has been looked at, has been looked at thoroughly and recommendations have been made. let me add when i was with secretary powell, we knew one of the biggest challenges we had starting with the commission and moving up to this arb now

reconfirming it is that congress cuts the money allocated for security enhancement to state department every time we go and do the budget. >> so had there have been the proper allocation of money, the security would have been different, correct? >> i think it's correct to say that had money been afforded in accordance with these blue ribbon panels that we've had over and over again every time we have an incident, if money had been let out in accordance with the way the recommendations went, we would have a lot better security situations at every consulate and embassy that the united states runs in the world today. and that is a statement of fact. >> colonel, is there normally a fight or bickering at the bureaucratic level about how in a crisis the country is going to talk to the american people? i mean, it just seems to me that the conservatives are looking for perfect wording here. and if they don't get what they

want, they're going to -- go ahead, sir. >> you're right. of course. it's very difficult to handle a crisis. and you take the talking points from whomever you can get them who is on the scene. in this case as i understand it, the cia provided most of the talking points that for example susan rice as u.s. ambassador used. those talki ining points turned to be wrong as they often do in the first blush of action. you can't ever get it right right up front. i don't find that to be a great problem. and i do find it to be an enormous problem in my political party. i'm still a republican. i find it an enormous problem they go after something like this, benghazi, tragedy that it was and they don't go after something that is a colossal tragedy like the war crimes of richard bruce cheney. >> okay. what do you think should be done if the democrats ever got total power in the house and senate? should they go down that road?

or is that a day gone too far? about cheney. >> i think this has been looked at. i think the decision by president obama not to look back was lamentable. i can understand why in terms of political reasons he did it. but i think we're going to regret the fact that we actually condoned torture in the world. we sent human rights and criminal justice back an aeon. we were supposed to be the leaders. now we're the laughing stock of the world. this has significant repercussions for the united states. the fact i was a member of that administration will haunt me to the grave. >> colonel lawrence wilkerson, i appreciate your time tonight and your candid response. thanks for being on "the ed show." >> thanks for having me. >> remember to answer the question on the bottom of the

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>> got to be focused on policies that create this where jobs can be created. >> joining me tonight, senator bernie sanders, independent from vermont. senator, good to have you with us tonight. i just hope that rick perry stays focused and wants to be president of the united states because he'll help us keep the conversation alive. is rick perry's maximum wage talking point going to get him anywhere? >> it's the old republican point of view that if we give more tax breaks to millionaires and to large corporations, that just magically we're going to create millions of good-paying jobs. well, i think anyone who lived through the bush administration knows that is not the case. we need to raise the minimum wage. $10.10 is a start. i would go higher than that. we need to change our disastrous trade policies which are costing us millions of decent-paying manufacturing jobs. we need to enable workers to be able to form unions so they can

bargain collectively. but not passing the minimum wage is very much a step in the wrong direction. >> well, perry's argument against the minimum wage is based on what's best for business. yet there is really no calculus out there that would support that. does he care about the human element of the minimum wage? i think this is something that the republicans can get pinned on. there are so many people that are struggling out there and being left behind in the economy. where does that leave the political message in all of this minimum wage talk, senator? >> well, i think the american people are very, very clear. they understand, ed, that $7.25 an hour is a starvation wage. they also understand that most of the gdp is dependent on consumer spending. and if working people don't have any money to spend because they're earning starvation wages, we're not going to create

the types of jobs we have to create. they also understand it has not kept pace with inflation. that since 1968 if we had had a minimum wage keeping pace, that would be $10.50 an hour. so i think perry is living in his own world. his job is to represent the big money interest and he is turning his back on working families. >> and senator, what do you say to those out there who believe that it's not congress' place to set a minimum wage? >> those are exactly the same people who believe that it is not congress' job to provide health care to our people, it is not congress' job to ensure that when workers are on the job they have safe working conditions. these are in some cases the people who do not believe it's congress' responsibility to maintain social security. what we're talking about, ed, are folk who is are really extreme right wingers who believe we should abolish the concept of the minimum wage,

allow people to work in this country for three or four bucks an hour and basically make sure that government is not doing anything to protect the elderly, working families, the children, or the poor. >> yeah. and finally senator, to switch subjects for just a moment on health care, on obamacare. we are now seeing that gallup reporting that the lowest number of uninsured in this country is now where we are. and they've been keeping track since 2008. is this vindication of sorts that obamacare is working? that we're headed in the right direction. if it's all about getting more people insured, i think this would be the critical number. >> absolutely. look, the number of uninsured remained at way, way too high. tens of millions of people still don't have health insurance. but we are making progress. through the exchange, through the expansion of medicaid. i think that is pretty good news. i think, however, our republican friends do not quite agree.

>> senator bernie sanders, always great to have you with us. thank you so much for being on "the ed show" again. still ahead, recent fire storms surrounding race rhetoric point to a larger issue in america. the rapid response panel weighs in. and later, oh, it's still out there. tensions are still high at the bundy ranch and in the county the folks are talking to the congressional members about this militia refusal to leave clark county is a real problem. but next, i'm taking your questions. ask ed live right here on "the ed show" on msnbc. we are right back.

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as a general rule, things don't end well if the sentence starts, "let me tell you something i know about the negro." you don't really need to hear the rest of it. just a tip for you. don't start your sentence that way. >> welcome back to "the ed show." president obama got some laughs at the expense of racist rancher cliven bundy at saturday night's white house correspondents dinner. the racist rhetoric we've been subjected to as a nation i think is absolutely no joke. first it was bundy. then it was this dude donald sterli sterling. former nba star kareem abdul-jabbar said this week he believes these incidents point to a larger issue. >> i did a bit of research. more whites believe in ghosts than believe in re schism. that's why we don't have -- that's why we have shows like

ghost busters and don't have shows like racist busters. >> just look at what happened to montre montreal canadiens subban. subban won the winner goal against the bruins. unhappy boston fans took to twitter to send racist tweets. according to analysis, subban's name and the n-word were used simultaneously on 17,000 tweets on thursday. in fact, the n-word was a trending topic on twitter in boston after the game. not all of these tweets were negative. many boston fans chimed in to express their disappointment with the racist tweets, but the fact those fan hs to speak out against such overt racism in the first place clearly is disappointing enough. joining me now for our rapid response panel is political analyst dr. michael eric dyson

and zurlina maxwell. good to have you both with us tonight. dr. dyson, you first. the bruins have condemned their fans' racist tweets. it was a pr explosion they certainly didn't want or need. is the nhl and hockey somehow lagging behind the rest of the sports world when it comes to being inclusive? >> let me first of all say it was great that the boston bruins organization showed such class and immediately disputed those tweets and suggested they were just ill headed, wrong, and very racist. yeah. they're definitely lagging behind. the nhl has not been engaged in the kind of aggressive recruitment of people of color into their ranks. and black people have not -- black men in particular have not necessarily been attracted to hockey in the overwhelming number they've been attracted to basketball and baseball and football and the like nap being said, i think that what's interesting here along with golf

although the extraordinary success of tiger woods proved otherwise, the preserve of white men. and that's something about the brutality of the sport that suggests that there's an exemption for the violence that goes on in hockey versus the kind of violence that goes on in other sports. so even there they're given the kind of pass in the culture for violent outbreaks that is stigmatized in other places. so not only have they not attracted black men to their ranks, they've always had a kind of double standard operating there. and i suspect that has to do with the very white nature of the sport itself. >> zurlina, what's your reaction to kareem abdul-jabbar's comments that more whites believe in ghosts than they do in re schiacism? >> well, i think he's on the mashlg. when we compare our experiences with racism, we're then required to show proof. show me the evidence. even white liberals sometimes will say show me the evidence of the racism.

then we'll see look at trayvon martin, look at renisha mcbride, look at these desperate outcomes where people are color are given a certain set of circumstances and yet that is not enough proof. i think he's on the mark when he says there are some white people who have difficulty realizing that yes, it's 2014, but we still have a very big problem with race and discrimination in this country. >> yeah. these opinions are nothing new. now people just have an outlet like twitter to express them which i think dr. dyson, inflames the situation. people get emotional on twit per. how many times has someone tweeted out and said i'd like to have that back. >> exactly. >> i think it shows us, you know -- i mean, how can we use incidents like this particular one in the nhl to move forward on an issue of race? >> well, that's exactly right. digital media is great. it's provided a tremendous outlet for ordinary people. it's democratized the space of

american culture. but at the same time, let's be real. just because you can talk doesn't mean you should. and maybe we should have a reflex button to push to calm down a bit before we engage in it. what it has done is exacerbated these tensions because it exposed them for what they are. when miss maxwell was talking about proof, digital media provides us proof that there is lingering and powerful pockets of resentment in american culture. so what we have to do is pay attention to the fact that we can't stigmatize one group. we've got to look at the way in which this has been pervasive in the entire society. >> zerlina, president obama makes a joke about cliven bundy's racism. but if he tries to have serious conversations about race or any of us who are white, we're race baiting. we're being accused by conservatives. i don't think it's left, right, blue, green, center.

we've got to be able to live together all backgrounds, all religions, everything. why is america having a hard time doing that? >> well, because, you know, race baiting is -- it's supposed to shut down the conversation. so if you get labelled a race baiter, then there's something wrong with you. and any valid concerns about racial injustice are now invalid because you're taking advantage of the real perceived injustices that people experience in their daily lives. so oftentimes, you know, a racist remark will be -- black people aren't told that's real racism. that doesn't count. all of these instances count. i think like dr. dyson said, twitter exposes -- because really twitter is the mechanism for cowards to express racism. they know no one is going to show up to their house and there are no consequences for that behavior. but at the same time i think that twitter allows in exposing the racism allowstous have these conversations. and we will not end racism until

we have these very difficult conversations. and ignoring racism and pretending it doesn't exist does nothing to improve the lives and daily lived experiences of people of color. >> dr. dyson, you have the final word on this. your thoughts. >> i think she's right. miss maxwell has put her finger on the pulse here. we have to have an open honest conversation here. the reason the president can joke about it. i'm getting the truth across but doing it through humor because many white people are incapable of hearing the truth told by african-american people. and what's interesting, the jokes don't put them as the subject of the scorn or the object. they feel safe to engage in a humorous relief of tension because they don't feel indicted by it. but the real situation in america is that president barack obama has been incapable or at least not free enough to be able to tell the truth about race. and he's one of the smartest guys who talks about race in

america. that's one of the greatest tragedies. i look forward to the correspondents dinner because some of the stinging barbed truths he might tell come out during the joke time. if you want to know what he thinks about race, check him out at the white house correspondents dinner. >> thanks for being on the show tonight. appreciate your time. coming up, donald trump thinks he's the real victim in the sterling controversy. pretenders is next. stick around. of complete darkness. i am totally blind. i've been blind since birth. i lost my sight to eye disease. i lost my sight in afghanistan. and it doesn't ho. but my blindness can affect my sleep patterns. i go through periods where it's hard to sleep at night, and stay awake during the day. but i learned that my struggle was with non-24.

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presence taking hold in clark county and the folks don't like it. up to 1,000 armed separatists have now taken up camp in the name of cliven bundy. these militia men are patrolling nearby communities, brandishing high caliber weapons and are making people really nervous. they are even setting up roadside checkpoints and requiring residents to show identification before they pass. do they have that torte? townspeople want this to end. they fear for their lives. i spoke to a council member who's calling on the governor and other officials to take action. >> what's so unfortunate is that the community is not -- does not feel safe. people who are his neighbors feel like he is putting a black eye on their community and a negative image on the community. local businesses have lost some

hundred thousand dollars in money over the last few weeks. and one of our local hotels actually had nine bomb threats against them when the blm personnel were staying at that hotel during the cattle round-up. >> for more on this story tonight, i'm joined by las vegas, nevada, political journalist and tv host john rolston. good to have you back with us. the first thing i want to know about is what gives these militiamen or separatists the right to stop somebody and check their i.d. and that what's the story about all the checkpoints. >> i don't think there's so much of the stopping people anymore now that the blm is gone, but i got an eyewitness report when they were there from a guy just over the weekend who sent me a detailed e-mail. they clearly were stopping people when they were just trying to go shopping, trying to get gas, asking them for i.d.'s.

sips the blm has left, what's happened is there are these checkpoints as that you described out by bundy's ranch. they're generally not stopping people, but i talked to a couple of folks today from mesquite. these folks are coming into town, wearing their sidearms, which is perfectly legal, but just imagine, this is a very sleepy town, 80 miles north of vegas. as one of them put to me, golf courses and guns don't go well together. >> well, clark county, these folks are nervous according to the congressman who we're going to have on this program tomorrow night. he went home and heard an earful from the residents, they want to this end. this is a growing presence and these militia folks, separatists, they're not going anywhere. what are you hearing? >> i'm hearing exactly the same thing. i think the congressman is right, the majority of folks up

there in that area want the militia folks to leave. here's the problem, though. horsford has asked the govr ndur and others to call for them to leave. he's asked for the sheriff to investigate, but unless they actually catch them doing something like checking people's i.d.'s, like branldishing their weapons and telling people to stop, i don't think there's much they can do. those folks are up there, they're come into town -- you have to understand. out by the road where they have these checkpoints, there are no services. they're walking into gas stations and stores heavily armed. but you can't arrest somebody for just unsettling people. >> so are they waiting for the government to show up again? are they waiting for round two of all of this? >> that's a great question. the government is going to show up kben. the question is then. they can't let this welfare cowboy who's getting away with something no other ranchers get

away with this and declare victory. they're going to come back, ed, but the question is, how long do they wait? do they hope the militia folks leave? it doesn't look like they have any intention of the leaving. if the government comes back, there's a real chance of violence up there, which manitoba wants. >> and quickly, does it seem like the governor is going to take any action at all on this? >> i really don't think he is. he's a very careful guy, brian. he made what i thought was a careless comment from the beginning of the whole thing, attacking the blm for their behavior. the blm may not have may haved well. now he's saying i'm leaving this in the hands of the sheriff. i don't think there's much he can do. >> i can just wonder, the lack of national tension as of late, whether it's emboldened these people. and are they digging in for the long haul. great to have you with us on "the ed show" tonight.

we will continue to follow this story. that's "the ed show." i'm ed shultz. "politics nation" starts right now. good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thank to you for tuning in. tonight's lead, h history in the making. history in the making. today we learned the numbers of americans without health insurance has fallen to its lowest level since pollsters started tracking it six years ago. the news comes after years of talking about the uninsured in this country. >> every morning, millions of americans go to work without any health insurance at all. something the workers in no other advanced country in the world do. >> there's an issue with the uninsured. there sure is. >> we are the only democracy, the only advanced democracy on earth, the only wealthy nation that allows such