and concerned for their surt. we will follow the story. thanks so much for joining us tonight and thanks for sticking up for your folks who you represent in that part of nevada. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> good evening. and thanks to you for tuning in. later tonight, we'll be joined live by senator elizabeth warren. we'll talk to her about her fight for fairness, for equality. and why she says republicans have the magical thinking. we're excited to have her with us. but we start with tonight's lead. for the first time, a christie staffer who was inside that trenton office before, during and after the lane closings is speaking out. publicly and under oath.

for nearly five hours today, new jersey lawmakers grilled christina reena, the first witness to testify before the committee. it was dramatic at times. emotional, and raised big new questions. reena worked in the office run by bridget kelly, who was reena's direct boss and who sent that now notorious e-mail, time for some traffic problems in ft. lee. since that e-mail surfaced, a major question has been who else was involved, who else knew? today, reena testified that she didn't know of the lane closings plot and this is key. she doesn't believe kelly cooked up the plan by herself. >> i wouldn't say she was the architect, but she was instrumental in the process. i believe that, yes.

i think that bridget was not the architect but was participating in whatever this was. >> not an architect. it goes to the heart of this investigation. if kelly wasn't the architect, who was? today reena testified that kelly wasn't a decision maker. >> kelly, one way i would describe bridget is a little insecure. and she, you know, relied heavily on other people, i think, to make decisions for her. i think that that was absolutely the case up until she became deputy chief of staff, then she didn't have anyone to make those decisions for her. she looked for guidance a lot. she was just not a decision maker. i would say. knowing bridget, she wouldn't

challenge, really, anyone, even at her level or above her at all. i mean, she doesn't -- i really don't want to pile on to bridget. >> kelly wouldn't challenge anyone at her level or above. today renna also described in gripping detail the phone call she received from bridget kelly on january 9, one day after the story exploded. and she also -- it was also the day that governor christie held his big press conference. >> she called me before the governor's press conference. maybe an hour before the press conference crying, telling me that she had been fired. she was hysterical. she could barely get the words out. i was crying. i believe i asked her at that point if she talked to the

governor. she said he won't talk to me. and she said a few times, i don't know what i'm going to do, and she apologized a lot. and then she said you can't trust anyone, christina. that's what she basically closed the conversation with. you can't trust anyone. >> you can't trust anyone. but investigators are digging for the truth. both state lawmakers and the u.s. attorney. but the takeaway tonight, someone who worked for bridget kelly does not think she was the architect of the plan. so who was the architect? who had the plan? why was traffic problems e-mail sent. and the big one, who knew about it. joining me now is former u.s. attorney general kendall coffey and "the washington post's" jonathan capehart. thank you both for being here.

kendall, someone who worked for kelly says kelly didn't act alone. what's your reaction and your questions now. >> i think that's exactly the road map anyone wants with respect to bridget kelly. we didn't get directly incriminating information from the witness today that would take it to someone higher up the ladder, but we're told a couple of things that definitely helped point the way for prosecutors. one is they've got even more information incriminating bridget kelly. why is that important? to get someone to cooperate, you want to have them absolutely nailed at the wall so they have no point but to tell you the truth. secondly, she has strongly indicated to her belief, she's extremely well positioned that, in fact, bridget kelly wasn't the mastermind.

we recall the could you tell you side council basically blaming 90% of everything in bridget kelly. now we have someone right in the heart of the organization that says no, she was an instrument. what that tells us is in the opinion of at least this witness, there was a higher-up. >> now, jonathan, just on that last point kendall made, it was interesting because during the hearing, one lawmaker said when he dealt with bridget kelly, she was always very aware of the chain of command. listen to this. >> the answer was always, let me go back to the governor's office and check. now, does that sound like bridget kelly to you? >> it sounds like bridgel kt ke, because she was constantly checking before she made a decision. >> bridget kelly is not a decision maker, is that correct? >> yes. >> obviously, they're painting the picture that she would not have done something like this on her own because that just was not her way of operating. >> that was not her way of operating, she she was not a

decision maker, as kathy renna says -- christina renna says in the testimony. the question you just showed. what it says, though, is, and thing christina renna said this in her testimony, she followered orders. if brid dts get ann kelly, the deputy chief of staff was not the architect or an architect, then we know that whoever that architect is, it's certainly not someone below bridget ann kelly. it must be someone above her. was it david wildstein, bill stepien, the governor? it also leads the way to figure out, as kendall said, we now have a road map to figure out who the architect was. and we're not talking about a broad universe of people. we're talking about a very small group of people. and so now what we have after this testimony is a direct contradiction to the conclusions of that so-called exonerating

report done by gibson dunn. >> now, during the hearing today, kendall, one lawmaker said that he dealt with kelly, there was always a chain of command. then today's testimony also focused on the e-mail. on september 12, the third day of the lane closings, that's when renna told her boss, br bridget kelly that ft. lee mayor mark sokolich was, quote, extremely upset about the reduction of lanes from three to one. to which bridget kelly responded good. lawmakers wanted to know why renna didn't go to an ethics office when kelly later asked her to delete that e-mail. listen to this. >> i didn't think it rose to a level of having to go to an ethics officer for it. not at the time. >> you were aware there were

legislative hearings on this issue. >> i was, yes. >> and notwithstanding fft that there were legislative hearings on this issue, bridget kelly asks you to delete an e-mail from your own personal e-mail account, you delete it, preserve it somewhere else, but you don't think it rises to the level to talk to somebody. >> i didn't, no. >> now, she did delete it, but she forwarded it to her personal account, but never went to an ethics committee and i mean, isn't this something that would get a conspirator or an investigator's eyebrows raised very high? >> of course it would. her explanation that she didn't think it would rise to that level is very lame. but she's a human being. she's not a perfect witness in the sense that she obviously transgresed into deleting an e-mail that was in effect a public record. but prosecutors don't expect perfect human beings and they're not going to be a perfect

witness. at the end of the day, is fairly human. she compromised. she deleted it as instructed to try to save her job. she kept it for future reference so at the end of the day, it's still there. not a perfect explanation, but one that's still understandable to most of us. >> that's the point. she deleted it but kept it for future reference. is this the culture of the governor's office where you kind of make sure you protect yourself but you delete, you -- i mean, this is a mayor complaining about going from three lanes down to one. that is being looked into by the legislature while this conversation is going on about delete. >> this is the whole thing about all of this. everyone is trying to cover their behinds. bridget ann kelly is calling on christina renna to delete an e-mail to cover her behind to this incriminating e-mail doesn't get out. christina renna delivers the

e-mail, but then saves it for future reference. and i have to agree tokenal, her explanation is lame. if you don't think it rose to the level of going to the ethics officer, but you decide to save it because the request seemed kind of serious, you should go to the ethics officer and make sure that they know, to really cover your behind. but what you have people doing is covering their behind in very unethical ways. >> what would you do now if you were the prosecutor on this case? where would you go now to try to force your next step or you're really using whatever information is now available after renna's testimony to move forward, trying to get bridget kelly to cooperate. >> i think by now i have enough ammunition. and that sort of tops it off. to basically confront bridget kelly with her lawyer and say look, the train is going to leave the station. we need to know the truth, the

whole truth, let's talk about higher-ups. they don't use language that blunt, obviously. but just to make it clear, it's now or never. if you come back six months from now and then come clean, it might be too late to get a really good deal. >> thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks, reverend. coming up, our live interview with senator elizabeth warren. she's fighting back against republicans who want to shred the safety net. >> you built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea. god bless. keep a big hunk of it. but part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward to the next kid who comes along. >> and tonight, she has a new plan that could make a huge difference in the lives of millions of americans. also, new signs the health care law may literally be saving

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care through the law. and we already are seeing the same thing happen nationwide. >> jackson's insurance premiums soared from $150 to nearly $700 a month. after he was diagnosed with an intestinal disease. he'll now pay just $100 a month for coverage. >> it saved my life. literally. >> rachel couldn't afford insurance until he and her husband signed up for kaiser coverage through the health exchange. her first mammogram in years revealed a potentially life threatening problem. >> insurance for $90 allowed him to go on the transplant waiting list. >> he wouldn't be here with me or my children if it went for obamacare. >> this law is truly a lifesaver, but it should be doing even more if it were allowed to. republican governors and legislatures in 24 states have

still refused to expand medicaid, turning down federal money to give their residents better care. this shouldn't be a political decision. it's a moral one. why? because it saves lives. joining me now are michelle and maria theresa. thank you both for being here. maria, let me go to you first. the law in massachusetts saved lives. so how can republicans be against it on a national level? >> it also stated that the folks that received the best coverage, the ones lifted out of poverty were the poorest of the poor. they benefited the most from romney care and they're the ones that saw their death rates actually decrease as a result of this health care. and that's huge. unfortunately that also signals that the republicans just aren't

on the right side of the american people. when we talk about expanding medica medicaid, we're talking 5 million americans in these specific states that could actually benefit, not only making sure they have health care coverage, but actually prevent death. >> let me go, michelle, having heard that from maria. here's how the governors who are against expansion defend their position. listen to this. >> every governor has two critical degss to make. one, do we set up exchanges and second, do we expand medicaid? in louisiana we're not doing either one of those things. >> i don't care how temporary or how many proms washington makes, i'm not buy pg. >> medicaid is a failed program. to expand this program is not unlike adding 1,000 people to the titanic. >> giving people health care is like putting people on the titanic? >> well look, this has never been, despite all of the talk

about how obamacare is unworkable and a disaster. the objections have never been about its practical fiezability. it's been an ideological objection. they don't want people further dependent on the government and they're willing to turn down millions of dollars and let all these people go without health care to hold on to this ideological objection. and what's so tragic about it is so many of the states that turned down the money are the states with the people that have the highest populations of uninsured. it's the states that most desperately need this money. >> maria, you know, today in missouri demonstrators actually shut down the state senate. they were demonstrating for medicaid expansion and they shut the state senate down, shouting and praying as police led them away. what kind of effects do these kinds of protests have? >> well, let's look at the

makeup of who the protesters were. for the most part, they were reverends, clergy people saying we need to provide to the poor e of the poor. if you're talking about being your brother's keeper and providing for the poorest of the poor as often times the republicans state that's what they're for, you have to make sure you're providing them with basic necessities. in this case, medicaid expansion. i think what we're going to see is just like we saw in missouri is a bit of a by-product of what we've seen in north carolina with moral mondays. we're going to see that type of protests of organizing from grassroots, evangelicals, from labor and from just ordinary americans saying we need to have certain criteria in order to make sure that we are fulfilling our american dream. one of them is having health care, and it's up to the states and those people that represent the american people to make sure that they are fighting for them. i think, unfortunately, what's happening, though, is that a lot of these governors in a lot of

these state legislators realize if they prevent individuals from getting medicaid expansion, they're talking about the poor, who are the least likely to go out and vote on election day. and that's unfortunately what it comes down to. we need these individuals to organize, but also to register and vote. >> no doubt about it. the new study, michelle, comes after weeks of good news about the law. over 8 million people enrolled in the exchange, over 4.8 million added to medicaid. and yesterday, a new poll found 13.4% of americans are uninsured. the lowest levels since january of 2008. i mean, how much longer can republicans deny that this law is working, given this data michelle. >> i think they're absolutely going to deny it at least through the midterms. >> ordinary, we would be gook looking at a great scenario with this study that's out. mitt romney should be cheering himself for kind of what he did in massachusetts and kind of how

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the roads the rest of us paid for. god bless, keep a big hunk of it. but part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along. >> since then she's moved equality to the front of the nation's agenda. >> paul ryan looks around and sees three unemployed worker for every job opening in america and blames the people who can't find a job. ma paul ryan says keep the money flowing to the powerful corporations. keep the special deals for the too big to fail banks and put the blame on hardworking play by the rules americans.

the rich paid their fair share where we have a strong safety net where college education is affordable for everyone. joining me now is elizabeth senator warren, democrat from massachusetts. she's also the author of a new book "a fighting chance." thanks for your time this evening, senator. >> it's good to be with you, reverend al. >> is this the defining issue about making sure everyone has a

fighting chance in our society? >> i believe it is. i believe what has happened here in washington is that we've got a system that works for those who can hire lobbyists and lawyers and they make sure every rule works for them and everybody else is just left behind. and the way i see it is that's not america. that's not what it means to be america. we believe that every kid should have a fighting chance. and that's what i'm out there fighting for, that's what i talk about in that book. and that's what i think we really can do. >> one of things i was interested in talking to you about, you and fellow democrats introduced a bill to tackle the student loan problem. and it's a major issue. the average clij senior has more than $29,000 in debt.

this bill would allow those that are eligible to refinance their loans at a lore rate, and it would be paid for through the buffet rule which ensures millionaires and billionaires paid their fair share in taxes. i mean, who could oppose something like this? who could oppose this kind of bill? >> in fact, i just want to make clear on this one, we all see what's happening. right now, we've got young people out there paying student loan debts that are .at 7%, 8%, 9%, 10%, even higher. and people refinance their mortgages down low interest rate, now that we're in a low interest rate environment. instead with we're set up now so

that the united states government continues to make tens of billions of dollars in profits off the backs of our kids who are just trying to get an education. it's creating an emergency in this country. student loan debt is crushing our kids and holding back our economy. the bill that i introduced today along with two dozen other senators would help fix that. it would bring down student loan interest rates for about 40 million americans who have outstanding student loans. it's a good first step. >> now, you've also been very much involved in the battle to raise the minimum wage. it's been a key issue of yours this year. but many on the other side of the aisle don't agree. listen to this. >> i don't believe there ought to be a national minimum wage. >> i want people to make as much

as they can. yoable the minimum wage work boops. >> you would abolish the minimum wage? >> correct. >> would you support to seek or block increasing the minimum wage? >> it's bad economics, andrew. >> how do you respond to these kinds of statements? i. >> i just don't know the alternative world that says that we don't need a minimum wage for people. i'll give you 14 million reasons we should raise the minimum wage. and that's the number of children whose economic fortunes would be improved if their parents made at least $10.10 an hour. nobody should work full time and still live in poverty. >> you know, in your new book, you staunchly defend the power of government programs. you write, we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend if big government disappears, so will vote's toughest problems. that's just magical thinking. and it's also dangerous thinking.

and when i think of some that are trying to cut the safety net, eliminate these kinds of government programs, then i'm started with a report that says we could see the world's first trillionaire in 25 years and we can't get $10.10 in mip mum wage? >> you know, reverend al, this is personal for me. my mom worked a minimum wage job to keep us from losing our house. i went to college opinion there was no money for college for me. i went to college at a commuter college that cost $50 a semester. why? because i grew up in an america that was investing in young people, that was invest in the future, that was trying to give every kid a fair shot. and now, we' got a group in washington who just say nope. this place is supposed to run for the rich and the powerful.

help them get richer, help them get more powerful. well, all i can say is that we have something on our side, too. we may not have their money. we may not have their power, but what we've got is our voices, we've got our votes and we're going to fight back. >> you know, talk about fighting back, you and vi met and talked even before you were in the senate. >> long before. >> and worked on issues. and a lot of people love that you've been dealing with this income inequality, dealing with minimum wage and with student loans. is there any circumstances that could make you consider running for president? >> that's not what i'm focused on. you know, what's important right now is that we not get distracted and lose our focus on the importance of raising the minimum wage, on the importance of reducing student loan debt. we're going to have to tackle

social security and make sure that it's there for all of our people for the rest of the century. we've got to raise payments for those at the bottom. we've got to stay after those big financial institutions and make sure that they're accountable when they break the law. there need to be consequences. we got so much we've got work on right now. i don't want to lose focus on that. >> but that's why we need a candidate who's focused on that. there's no way you would consider that? or at least be very instrumental in making sure whatever sands out there have to deal with this issue? >> i'm not running for president. but i am going to stay focused on these issues. i'm going to stay focused on making sure that all of our kids get a fighting chance. that's why i wrote that book. that book is a personal story as well as an eyewitness account to

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joining me now former prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, faith jenkins. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> first up, the pregnant florida mom accused of trying to kill her three children. eggny wilkerson was charged with

second degree murder after charging her three children into the ocean. her defense attorneys just filed a motion of intent to use an insanity defense, saying she was suffering from schizophrenia and a psychotic disorder. so faith, an insanity defense. how difficult would it be to prove wilkerson didn't know the difference between right and wrong the day she drove her minivan into the ocean? >> it's not just about a person having a mental disease or defect. that mental disease has to be the prevailing factor that prevents them from knowing the difference between right and wrong in a crime. that's difficult to prove in court which is why a lot of people fail using the insanity defense. but here, i think there's clear indicators of things that happened before she drove her many -- minivan that she was suffering a breakdown. the police officer who responded

to her sister's 911 call said he believes she suffered from some kind of mental illness, but he did not have enough to keep her and subject her to an involuntary mental examination under florida law. >> you're a defense attorney, ken. how would you use the sister's call, the police report to defend if you're representing wilkerson who, in fact, didn't know the difference between right and wrong at the time of the incident. >> all of these things are important. those spsychologists are going o do evaluations. all of the factors, police statement, other family members, actions that the defendant took prior to this. happening, all of those are going to go into the evaluation and determination by the psychologist as to whether or not she meet what is's called

the mcnaughton rule in the state of florida. even though 95% of insanity defenses fail and don't work, in this case, they actually may have a fighting chance the defense will get a successful conclusion or a verdict by not reason of insanity. there's a lot of evidence in this particular situation that will help the self-defense argument. >> does that mean she gets treatment and does not go to jail? >> this is not a woman who should be -- and let's be clear. there are a lot of people who suffer from mental illness, but her defense attorneys are willing to push, listen, she didn't know what she was doing. this is not a woman who needs to go to prison. she needs treatment and that needs to be the initial response to this, not prison, but treatment and rehabilitation.

>> ethan couch got ten years probation and no prison time he says he's suffering from affluenza, meaning he's too wealthy to be responsible for his actions. the couch's family insurance company will pay one of the victims' families $2 million. five other families are also trying to settle with the couch family. but at least one family is seeking a jury trial. should insurance settle even if the parents are wealthy? >> insurance does and can, nfrt, in cases like this pay out. so yes, insurance can pay out. the family can pay out. at least there's some justice that is going to the victims and their families because of this horrific incident and this

criminal act. we just had a case here inform florida yesterday where someone for killing one person got a 15-year florida state prison sentence, which i think is too much. and here in this case, with four people dead, no prison time. so that's the horrible thing. thank god at least they're getting -- >> four people dead and affluenza as a defense. if they spend $10 million, if they give every family $2 million, what are we saying about the value of people's lives? and what are we saying ability too rich to go to jail? >> first, you get rehabilitation before you kill four people. not after. those issues should have been addressed prior to this happening. listen, i think this young man, his family and him, they're getting about $2 million in this latest settlement and that's the young man that's unable to walk or talk.

and i'm sure that family would give every penny of that $2 million back to have their son. i. >> i'm glad the settlements just like in life, sometimes you have a accept an apology you'll never get, take that and move on and start the healing process. >> thank you for your time tonight. these are the hands a pediatrician.

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