the first legislation since voters born after the apartheid will be old enough to vote. let's go now to "morning joe." hillary clinton gave the keynote address at the national council for behavorial health conference in maryland. she also held a q & a session afterwards. i think it's surprisingly personal. >> what is your guilty pleasure? [ laughter ] >> a hcht h, let's see. [ laughter ] >> are there that many? >> well, i'm just trying to think of, you know, the g-rated ones. [ laughter ] >> well, hello, madam secretary. >> good morning. it is wednesday, may 7th. with us on set we have msnbc

contributor mike barnicle. "morning joe's" contributor mark halperin. and al hunt and white house correspondent for the associated julie tace. and welcome, everyone. >> good morning. >> inquiring. >> okay. >> i don't want to stay with the contributor title. is there something jels. >> ironically, do you contribute. >> i know. why not be called contributor. >> all right. let's start with hillary clinton. by the way, i have an incredible event last night, raising money for homeless new yorkers and there were protesters outside. but inside, a lot of money was raised to help house the 22,000 children in new york that are homeless right now. 52,000. the highest number since the great impression. i mean, it's unspeakable.

and this organization ran this, doing everything they can. a little sleepy this morning, but loved every moment. let's go to politics. hillary clinton is reining in some of the biggest pieces of domestic policy. clinton talked that. she told health officials she was struck by the latest health care poll. >> a small majority of americans don't think they like the affordable care act. but a large majority of americans don't want to do away with the protections that are in the affordable care act. a small majority wants to repeal it. but that is slowly receding as a rising majority says no fixes. well, that's in the tradition of good, old-fashioned american pragmati pragmatism. >> still, recent polls from pew and "usa today" shows obamacare

as unpopular as ever. nearly half americans believe the law's here to stay. clinton also tackled america's gun culture calling the recent licensing of firearms in public places way out of balance. >> i think we've got to rein in what has become a -- almost article of faith. that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime. and i don't believe that is in the best of interest of the vast majority of people. so, first of all, mark, she hits on two big issues. a sign of something, perhaps? >> well, you know, she's been outdoing these talks and i've been surprised and impressed with how little news she's made and how frequently she's awaded wading in. >> this is wading in. >> and if she runs for president, the biggest question of american politics, will she

run? and if he does run, what will stop her because she's the overwhelming favorite? affordable care act is a big one but i think she's going to embrace it. i thought that was surprisingly tentative in its support. there's no doubt in my mind that she thinks the law was good. she would work to implement it more and better than so far. >> she would know how difficult it is. >> yeah. mike barnicle, it was a little tentative, and she supported it but it certainly wasn't an overwhelming kick the republicans in their teeth, it's all their fault, approach that democrats have taken. >> considering the degree of difficulty in being hillary clinton right now, everybody asking will she or won't she run, everything she says, every word has to be so measured in the back of her mind, as well as what comes out of her mouth, i thought she did what is pretty expected. >> yeah. >> i thought the same think watching her talk.

she's going to live her life and go out and do events. it must be going out in front of public, with q & a, i've got to answer questions about it. >> there's a lot of focus on hillary clinton. and there's certainly proof now that the political cycle is bringing back aspects of the '90s. look no further than monica lewinsky who has a new article in "vanity fair." the one-time white house intern writes about her regrets of the affair that lead to the impeachment of president bill clinton. she's 40 years old now. and she writes in part this, sure, my boss took advantage of me, but i will always remain firm on this point, it was a consensual relationship. any abuse came in the aftermath when i was made a scapegoat in order to protect his powerful position. lewinsky claims she declined various offers of $10 million to tell her story. she says she was motivated to go

public now after the suicide of 18-year-old rutgers student tyler clementi. clemente was filmed on his webcam kissing another man. lewinsky said the shame, scorn and suicidal feelings were all too familiar. she goes on in the article to talk about how her mother stayed at her bedside the entire weeks, worried she would take her life. there's already a bunch of op-eds criticizing monica lewinsky about this. not necessarily buying it. maureen dowd has a really tough one on her. >> not buying what? >> her motive? >> yeah. >> what would her motive -- and whether lower motive -- i mean, if she wanted to make some money off of this, she could have made money. >> she could have made a lot of money. >> i think it's remarkable we haven't heard her name for ten years. we know how much we've heard her

name for the previous five or six years. i don't know. i don't know what the criticism is. i get tyler clementi's legacy and tells the story, i think she's been remarkably quiet. >> what do you think? >> yeah, i don't quite understand that criticism. i think she's entitled to present her story ten years later. i haven't read the piece. i just read account. it seems to me to be a very, very sober and by all appearances honest. she's entitled to a life now. i will say i think the notion this is going to hurt hillary clinton a lot is nonsense. if it didn't hurt her in 2008 ten years after the incident, why is it going to hurt her now. >> for hillary clinton, that's incredibly sexist and completely -- >> it won't, mika. >> i've got to tell you, if people are kick monica lewinsky

around, monica's life turned into a punch line by a person who is now a rock star globally. why the focus on this woman. >> maureen dowd wrote about it. she's not the only one. ruth marcus wrote about it. >> i'm sorry, a woman's life was ruined. yes, she says it's consensual. she says it's consensual. i just do not think i would pick on monica lewinsky which her boss say rock star globally. and why kick around a young woman who was 22 at the time, i guess, 23, whatever. it was in that position. it's dumbfounding to me. it was dumbfounding then. it is dumbfounding now. i suppose it will be dumbfounding for the next 20 years. i don't get it. >> yeah, i mean she has, obviously, a right to have a piece in "vanity fair" to

express her feelings. and we have a right to mention it today. and never mention it no further ever again. >> you know, that's no more closely watched senate race in the country than the one in north carolina. >> and republican thom tillis, for the state house who avoided a costly runoff beating more conservative opponents who have backing from the tea party and people like senator rand paul and mike huckabee. tillis's visibility story being hailed as a win for the establishment. last night he laid it out in front of an energetic crowd. >> it's not the end of a primary. it's the beginning of a primary condition and add to beat kay hagan and make harry reid an irrelevant american. >> wow. >> tillis's win comes in large part through massive spending by the chamber commerce and groups like american cross roads. he faced a tough showdown with republican kay hague hoon easily

won her primary. hagan has raised millions. and millions from democratic-leaning groups. 90% has been spent from outside money. before we move on to other races -- >> yeah, this is an important race. julie, ongoing battle between the tea party and the establishment wing, the republican party. i think in the end they're all going to come together anyway because everybody wants to win. but this is not 2010. it's not even 2012. the establishment, the empire strikes back that started in alabama. julie, you'll remember, with the chamber of commerce and the ricketts and several other people poured money into the establishment and he won. it was like the first shot across the bow in the proposed cruz shutdown. boy, the establishment is pushing back hard to make sure a debacle like that doesn't happen

again. >> absolutely. the most important thing for the republican establishment last night was tillis doesn't have to go through a runoff. he cleared 40 which means they can focus all their attention on the race with hagan. you know, north carolina is an important state to look at in terms of establishment of the tea party battle. you know, we'll have more races over the next couple of weeks, we'll see if this is going to be a long-term trend. again, the most important thing at this point, republicans have target kay hagan directly. and kay hagan for as much money as she has raised and as much support that she's going to get from the democratic party is going to face a tough fight. still going to probably be in trouble. i think she has the toughest great of the governors this fall. >> by the way, mark, i talked to republicans in the country over the past year, they're sick and tired and really angry of putting up candidates that say

foolish things and lose elections. they think harry reid should have been retired in 2010. they think republicans should have taken control of the senate in 2012. and i just don't think most republicans are going to allow this to happen again. they want to win. >> democrats and tillis himself will tell you he's conservative. it's not like they nominated a moderate. this is one state that was huge to get the right nominee. karl rove wants him as a nominee. they got him. they still have to find a nominee in georgia and alaska. they can put 13 races in play if they get the right nominees. and this is a huge one for them. tillis, the establishment believes clearly in the right candidate and i think they're right. >> when you get out of this northeast buck that we live in here, when you talk to people in other states where there are contentious races going on, the degree to which harry reid is a focal point for republicans in

so many states? >> you know, he's like the koch brothers which is, if you care about politics, you know who he is. there's no doubt for rund raising and motivating the base which is a big part of what you need to do in the midterm, getting harry reid out of the majority leader's spot is a huge motivator. as much as stopping obamacare in some races because it's tangible. it says, if you wrote for our candidate, or take the democratic health seat, you can kick harry reid out. >> that's as big as getting nancy pelosi out of the speaker's chair in 2010. harry reid has become that figure. >> the koch brothers using harry reid as well. >> i will say that thom tillis this is the victory of the scarborough doctrine, victory over puritity. every statement from cross roads, the conservative group that backed tillis called it a center right group.

the chamber of commerce signed up behind them. the nra, national right to life. as mark said, this is a conservative guy. they thought she was the most conservative guy to win the race and beat kay hagan. >> by the way, i had issues with the nra last year the way they conducted themselves after the horror that happened. but, man, i said it before, as far as candidates goes, this is -- this is not the first establishment candidate they've chosen in this cycle where they've been lined up with the chamber of commerce. unlike a lot of these other groups, thesefulliby groups that come up and says the craziest things and the tea party -- you know, national so-called tea party groups. they are lining up with the chamber of commerce. and it's making a big difference. >> a couple of other quick races. and then we'll move on to one other big story this morning. "american idol" star clay aiken.

>> yes. >> he's got a lead in the race for congress. just 369 votes separate him and keith crisco. and speaker boehner cruised through his victory in north carolina. let's move onto benghazi. there are growing questions about the size and scope of the new congressional panel on benghazi. a house resolution says there will be a republican majority with seven republicans and five democrats. speaker john boehner picked republican trey gowdy to lead the select committee. minority leader nancy pelosi who has not yet committed to names democrats to the group objected to the unequal balance. some suggested boycotting the committee. congressman jim clyburn of south carolina says democrats should not take part if there isn't an equal number. this is what he says, quote i would be dead set against it. i'm not bringing a noose to my hanging. the democratic congressman

elijah cummings of mtd md won't rule out participating. he said democrats need representation to keep republicans in check. >> al hunt, obviously, yes, tough language from democrats. also, the obama administration raised questions on the legitimacy of this investigation, even before it began. what should democrats do? >> well, i think they may well not participate. depends on what -- more than the size of the minute majority and majority there, it will be the rule, what rights they have to subpoena witnesses, whether information will be shared the way darrell issa didn't. i don't think there's any question congress has the right to do this as much as they want to. i wonder how much is going to resonate with the american public. this is not the first investigation. there have been multiple investigations of this instance that occurred almost two years ago. and i'm just not quite sure how much is going to help them

politically. >> julie pace, what about the white house? do you expect the white house to continue to push back on this? >> at this point, yes. i mean, they've danced around this issue of whether they're going to participate or not. they've been saying they participate in legitimate oversight and they have questions about whether this would be legitimate. and there's two schools of thought on this in terms of white house participation. one is that, if they do participate, then it just -- it's going to keep this benghazi story in the spotlight, straight through the midterms. the other school of thought is that if they really don't have anything to hide, why not participate, turn over any documents that are left. and if you choose not to do that, doesn't that just feed into this republican narrative that they are holding back information. >> you know, there's real danger here. there are two dangers here. one for the democrats that they are seen as blocking an investigation where four americans died, the first ambassador since 1979, died. they could take a bad situation and make it much, much worse.

the danger on the other side, the republicans are seeing making the death of four americans look overly partisan and using it as a political football. so there are dangers on both sides. the investigation is being run in a professional, straightforward way and if it's not -- there will be dangers. but the democrats also have got to be very, very careful. because this is san issue where very bad situation, a tragedy, could be made much worse. still ahead on "morning joe," elizabeth warren said she's not interested in the white house but that doesn't take people from taking note of her battle. and then in the 8:00 hour, the man in charge of the new benghazi investigation we just mentioned him, congressman trey gowdy, we'll talk with him and then senator claire mccaskill. get ready for that. i think you might want to change your clothes. up next, tim vander height

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time to take a look at the morning papers. something that halperin and willie noticed. when noticing all of these opinion pieces, look at that, about monica lewinsky. all female columnists just raking her over the coals. i don't get it. it's really disappointing, actually. i mean, i'm not saying this woman's a hero but i would suggest she probably had a very difficult time during the time that it was revealed that the president took advantage of her in the white house. i don't understand these women. it's great for the clintons, maybe that's what they're doing. i think it's kind of disappointing. i can't believe what i'm reading in the "new york post." >> by the way this is something -- i -- you know, my rule has long been, do not talk about impeachment. do not talk about anything

surrounding impeachment. it's like don't talk about the start of the iraq war. there's just some things you leave behind. in this case, i've got to say, how old, 52, 53? she's like 22. by attacking her, who stayed quiet all these years, they're attacking her. i don't know. i don't get it. i don't get it at all. i just don't -- >> let me just say one last thing. you can imagine what it must have been like to have yourself all over the internet like that, because the internet was just taking off. and terms of social media really spreading the word and just ripping her to shreds. i know kids in small local communities that can be taken from literally from straight "a's" because of a text that went bad or a picture that went bad. you can imagine the hell that this girl went through. >> she's clearly tormented and

people are making fun of it. but she essentially has been publicly bullied for decades. >> monica close her mouth and disappear -- andrea? really? come on. >> i wonder if that's one of the female columnists daughters who worked -- had a daughter who worked for an extraordinarily powerful man who is in her early 20s and the man was in his 50s. and the man preyed on their young daughter. their young daughter in her early 20s was preyed upon by a really powerful man. the most powerful man in the world in their 50s, i wonder if they would be attacking the 22-year-old or the most powerful man in the world? i think these women, if any of them are mothers, would not be attacking the woman who was

preyed upon. but for some reason, and, again, you don't want to bring it up -- but for some reason, this is what went on in the 1990s. you want to know what's in my head all the time? this is what went on in the 1990s. the guy who acted horrifically. the guy to not only monica lewinsky and a lot of other people. he got a free pass. his amrufl ratings went up in the '60s. i learned when that train was coming just come by and let it pass. there's nothing to said. he always got free passes. she's still getting free passes. for anybody who has a daughter that has anything to do with these attacks on monica lewinsky, ask yourself what you would do if your daughter who lived in shame for 18 years. and after 18 years actually spoke for the first time why the man who did what he did to a young woman was the rock stars of all rock stars. years later, this is not about

bill clinton. okay. we all believe in forgiveness. he's been forgiven. this bit american people, but this -- this should be about the women who are piling on monica lewinsky this morning. if it were your daughter, what would you do? if it were or daughter, why what would you do? it's a disgrace then. it's a disgrace now. and i can't believe i had to go back to the 1990s and talk about this. because i swore i would never talk about it again. >> i'm sorry. >> you know what, this happened in the 1990s. forget about her. forget about her. talk about juanita broderick. talk about all these other women, again, i believe in forgiveness, et cetera, et cetera. why is it that even in 2014 it is the women who are turned into the bad guys? i never got it.

i still don't get it. and all these years later, there are females going out protecting bill clinton from his horrific act. again, i wouldn't bring it up, as you joke around a whole lot, bill clinton and i have made up. we're friendly. we're even nice to each other. >> oh, my gosh. >> this is not about bill clinton. this is about the women who are visserating monica lewinsky and she was quiet. by the way, her entire existence reduced to a punch line. and she stays quiet shows a lot of dignity. a lot more dignity than people who preyed upon her who tried to turn her into a slut or a nut?

a 22-year-old daughter, really? now, they're coming out and kicking her in the face. please, you all are sick. you're sick in the '90s. you women's rights, you're sick in the '90s. time and time again, whether juanita broderick, monica lewinsky, you are doing it 18 years later and you're pathetic. if you have young daughters, you should be ashamed of yourself. i wear to god i will not talk about this for another 20 years. go ahead, willie. i'm so angry, i'm shaking. i still can't believe the way she was treated in the 1990s. and it's always the women. and these people come out, and have the nerve to come out after defending him, after defending him, and claim to come out wanting to support women and attack women.

women's rights and that's protecting a really, really powerful man on our side politically. >> anyone disagree? mark halperin, do you agree? al hunt? >> no. >> julie pace, any issue with this? >> no issue. >> really, want to step out? >> no, i just didn't finally read all the way through maureen dowd. she doesn't go after monica lewinsky. her point is, we're going back again, we don't want to hear about this. >> actually, her point is my point. >> she has a couple points of criticism, she said the real bullies are the clintons and their attack dog. she has criticism of monica lewinsky and said she would like to seat circus move through. >> by the way, i was not talking about maureen at all. al hunt and maureen makes a point that i'm making here. you went through it as well, mark was there, al, for those of us who went through it in the

1990s, oh, we don't want do go through it again. it was a miserable, miserable time. when this woman is attacked the way she is in the papers, i don't get it, i don't get it now. >> nobody ever accused maureen dowd of being a clinton -- >> no. >> and this is hillary clinton, so for anyone who thinks is this going to hurt her, i hope you're wrong ten times over. >> it has nothing to do with hillary. >> this is a completely messed up situation even more twisted. we'll be right back. ch money dok you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to, like, pull it a little further. [ woman ] got me to 70 years old. i'm going to have to rethink this thing. it's hard to imagine how much we'll need for a retirement that could last 30 years or more. so maybe we need to approach things differently, if we want to be ready for a longer retirement.

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we just ran through politico. >> that, we did. >> it was so good. >> the worse you say, the better you are. >> that was the best political yet. >> we've been waiting for seven years to hear something like that. >> it's been building up for a long time. i'm sorry, i never would have brought it up. come on. >> thank you. >> willie and mark, thank you for not saying anything. >> let's godo sports. >> silent cutaways. >> yeah. >> all right.

>> opening series last night, the nba playoffs, tip-off of the blazers and spurs in the western conference semis. tony parker, 33 points, spurs never trailed. a blowout win, 116-92 over portland in game one. >> let's go nets. let's go nets. >> not last night. nets in the season semi conference matchup. they've been 4-0. totally different deal as we hit the playoffs. lebron had 22. the heat blowing out the nets. 107-87. tonight, wizards can go up two games to none over indiana. clippers in game two matchup, clippers could go up two in that series too. kevin durant has been named league mvp for the first time in his career. he was the runaway winner in the oklahoma is it star. the first player to win that and the mvp. he beat out lebron who has won

last two years in a row. an emotional durant thanking everyone from his teammates to his mother. >> i love basketball so much. i love playing it. i just never thought that i would make it to college, nba. or stand up here today in front of you guys today and be nba mvp. and just surreal feeling. i fell so many times and got back up. i've been through the toughest times with my family. but i'm still standing. [ applause ] and last, my mom. i don't think you know what you did. you made us. you kept us off the streets. put clothes on our back. food on the table. when you didn't eat, you made

sure we ate. you went to sleep hungry. you sacrificed for us. you're the real mvp. [ applause ] >> oh, wow. >> wow. >> okay. >> we're all tearing up here. >> that was so beautiful. >> a great player. great guy. what a beautiful moment between a guy and his mother last night. all right. let's do eye a little baseball now. cincinnati and boston tied in the bottom of the 12th inning. the red sox at bat with two men out. >> sizemore drives it to deep left center field. back is schumaker off the wall. it is off the base of the wall. here comes big papi around. and the red sox with the walk-off at fenway. >> i'm looking at it, and we're tearing up. >> baseball now. >> sizemore, the go around with the red sox. they're just a game and a half back in the a.l. east where the

orioles and yankee, tied in the first. pittsburgh and giants tied at 1-1 in the bottom of the ninth. >> marte to right field. goes deep. over the wall. marte, around second, he's heading for third. and sterling marte is going to be a triple. no, he's going to the plate. here's the throw. he's good -- oh! on the plate. >> wow. >> you know, willie, we're actually explaining to people these games. these are just random baseball games. these are not last night's games. these are from 1997. they were classic. >> all right. >> got to keep moving. >> by the way, that out would have sent the game to extra innings but not before review on the replay. you see marte, he thought the something great happened. the card was overturned.

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44 past the hour. time for the political pages. casey hunt, good to have you on board this morning. we're going to start with the "national review" one republican strategist pickings a take on what happened in the primary in north carolina. the tea party got screwed. although the primary was cast as the first major battle between the establishment wing and the tea party revel. if was the tea party, the strategist said why not like to make this my case. >> as we've said before, despite the complaints that you're going to hear from the tea party, the test case in alabama, the test case has been in other primary state. you can't name one be, it it is so different in 2012 and you can't name one tea party who has

knocked off the establishment? >> no not one. with mississippi with ted cochran being challenged as a right winger. even there, i think cochran is the favorite. there are anti-establishment figures who won. walter jones won in north carolina last night. by and large, i think the establishment has learned the lesson of 2010 and 2012. and they have come back with an conservative effort. in a place like north carolina, got to remember that it's a very conservative gop establishment down there and they were behind tillis. >> and tim, you also have a lot of tea party candidates, it turns out that they like cockfighting rallies. and the guy in mississippi, it seems like everything he says there's a video that shows he's not telling the truth.

they haven't put up a lot of strong people. there's no rand paul or marco rubio or ted cruz out of texas? >> it's a little premature to discuss the strategy yet. i think we have to see what happens in georgia and mississippi and other states. they have a hard time getting businesses to kick in money. when they dump $10 million in a race like this and have success. they can erase their defeats. to do it now i think allows them to get more people to funnel in money to give the establishment more authority. and the establishment has been exception alley weak for the bulk of our lives in covering politics, the establishment was all that mattered. in the last five years, it hasn't mattered at all. so if it can be sustained, it's important. >> again, taking that alabama one race is done. we have the chamber and the nra, american cross roads lined up the wickets.

and now you have the chamber and the nra. and karl rove lined up together. that's powerful. they're focused. and they don't want to give away any more senate seats. >> an they said this at the outset. they laid this out. but i think one thing going forward that's going to be key as part of this is, if these candidates feel like the chamber and cross roads deserve credit for their victories, then we're going to avoid having people like ted cruz in the senate where he doesn't feel beholden to any of the establishment republicans who are in washington trying to get him to take a tough vote on the debt ceiling or anything like that. senator mitch mcconnell has very little influence over ted cruz partially because he didn't help to get him elected. >> that's a great point, willie. you know, you and jim will remember this, gingrich, everybody worked against me, tried to beat me in my primary. i won. >> why would they want to do

that? >> i don't know. >> i got my hands dirty. >> the republican party and the national level and state level worked against me, i had one person, jan willy, god bless her that worked with me, and everybody else worked against me. i got 62% when you worked against me this time. work against me again, i'll get 80%. you know? so this is significant for what kasie said when they get elected? >> and do you think we talked about cross roads calling itself a center-right organization going out of its way. now, they have a sort of track record now, they're going to use this strategy going through the primary season? >> i think so. i think it's also democrats will tell you what the establishment has done here is simply pick more conservative candidates. they haven't actually moved any

farther to the senate. they would say thom tillis who has been in charge of a very conservative portion of north carolina, and they can say the same thing about tom cotton in arkansas. they would say he's too conservative to beat mark pryor, and that's why you're seeing pryor in the polls. >> caskaesie hunt. thank you so much. all right. still ahead, hillary clinton gives a speech in maryland. that only fuels the presidential speculation. >> i don't care whether you're a republican or democrat, libertarian, i don't care what you are. don't vote for someone who proudly says he or she will never compromise.

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♪ kentucky republican senator rand paul and media magnate rupert murdoch spent the day today at the kentucky derby. murdoch said there there's speculation that murdoch could have paul endorsement if paul ran for president. >> he pulled out all the stops even wore a festive derby hat made of the finest gopher pelt. i love this celebrity power couple. i've given them their own fun nickname rupaul. [ applause ] >> welcome back to "morning joe." jim vanderhey still here. hi. how are you? >> doing great.

>> good to have you on board. hillary clinton wading into some of the most sensitive areas of domestic policy. speaking in maryland yesterday. clinton talked about poverty and political dysfunction. she told the room of mental health professionals she was struck by the latest health care poll. >> a small majority of americans don't think they like the affordable care act. but a large majority of americans don't want to do away with the protections nra the affordable care act. a small majority wants to repeal it. but that is slowly receding as a rising majority says no fixes. well, that's in the tradition of good, old-fashioned american pragmatism. >> still recent polls from pew and "usa today" shows obamacare as unpopular as ever. nearly half of americans believe the law is here to stay. clinton also tackled american's

culture of recent firearms way out of the balance. >> i think we've got to rein in what has become a -- almost article of faith that anybody can have a gun anywhere, anytime. and i don't believe that. that is in the best interest of the vast majority of people. [ applause ] >> steven schmidt, harrisburg clinton walks across the street, we're going to analyze it in terms of if it's significant. there's policy statements she made there. >> yeah. >> but, you know, hillary's is a resump tiff nominee, we're going to be doing this for some time, aren't we. >> absolutely. she out there. she's talking about these issue, she's doing it very early which i think is curious. because she certainly has of the ability to control the entire process with regard tow. >> i was going to say, is it a

mistake to come out too early? >> i don't know. i do think this is a big republican year. pie don't think she wants any ownership of that. >> you do think it's a big republican year. >> it is. >> 2010 or maybe not -- >> it is as intense as 2010, but i think the impact will be bigger. because i believe it will take the senate and -- >> what's driving that? >> well, i think that obamacare is driving it. but larger than that is it's the sixth year of a presidency. it's not a great year historically. for the party that holds the white house. you look at the matchups where they're occurring in the selection of states these are red states. north carolina, for instance, which i believe will take that seat, you know, in november. but you look at all -- you look at all of these states. the issues, the turnout mix, and we're not going to give up the senate seats over the last two elections. we've given up six senate seats

with crazy candidates. >> it's not going to happen. great candidates. >> and jim or joe, democrats can learn from their position on obamacare or not learn as they go into midterms? >> well, i felt like she was saying mend it, don't end it. i think if i'm a democrat and i support it i'd correctly say why i supported it, talking about the good parts of it. but then hammer away at the mistakes. all the errors and is this how we need to mend it. >> go back to where we were should be the message. >> that's all we really do. i agree with steve and probably even more empathically, this is 2010 with conservatives fired up on obamacare. there was a poll last week, a "washington post" post, independents said they're certain to vote for 23%. >> do you think it's as big as

2010. >> i don't think it's as big as 2010 but the environment is very similar. not just at the national level but the state level. if you look at the state races you have, what, five state senates that chambers that could end up flipping to republicans. when you have this happening and this much more with republicans, and just a lukewarm feeling among democrats. and that's bad in an off-year election because nobody votes. you're lucky to get 30% of people to turn out in these elections. >> julie, the white house knows republicans have a win at their back going into the fall right now. talk about what will be the implications of this for the president's agenda in the white house. if you thought washington gridlock is bad now if you have a house and senate going republican with a democratic president, it could be a long two years for the president? >> right. and the problem for the white house, the best case scenario of the november elections is essentially the status quo. >> right. >> republicans keep the house,

democrats keep a small majority in the senate. and we all know where that's gotten us the last couple of years. obviously, it would be tougher to get anything through if the republicans were able to take the senate. to link this back to what hillary clinton was saying about health care. you know, it's likely that some of these fixes that we talk about with obamacare that are needed. that even the white house admits are probably needs, will be pushed off until 2016, whoever wins that election. so that's, i think, part of why you see her starting to maybe take this position. she's laying the groundwork for what she would have to say in a presidential election. basically saying that the law as a whole is good for the country. but that she would take on some of these fixes. >> you know, mika, the only thing i would say is, republicans may might say the wind's at their back. democrats do have good senate candidates in these red states that would be the first to be swept out. we'll see what happens with

pryor in arkansas who has been more than we thought and tom cotton. and mary landrieu who may be an underdog, but she always figures out a way to win. and alaska, we'll see. but it is far from over six months out. >> there's perhaps month more watched senate race in the country than the one in north carolina. last night, republican thomas till itsis, the state house speaker avoided a costly runoff by beating opponents who have backing by the tea party. and people like senator rand paul and mike huckabee. tillis' victory is being hailed as a win for the establishment. >> it's not the end of a primary. it's the beginning of a primary mission. and to beat kay hagan and to make harry reid irrelevant american. >> it comes from massive

outspending from the chamber of commerce and groups like american cross roads. he faces a tough showdown this fall with kay hagan who has easily won her primary. hagan has raised millions and has millions more from democratic leaning groups. >> steve schmitt, the empire strikes back because the establishment is not allowing these todd akin-type candidates to stumble in. the chamber, nra, cross roads, they're getting involved fast. >> the insumpence of pragmatism inside the republican parties when it comes to the races. we've talked about it before. just a remarkable history in the republican party. giving up six senate seats over two election cycles with deeply flawed candidates. i think that's what motivates people in washington, d.c. you get up every morning, if you're working to elect republican candidates, fearful that we're going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. >> we did if in 2010 and we did it in 2012.

you go out, i don't care what the crowd is, you could be speaking to a majority tea party crowd and you could deliver the message, it's about -- do you want to change the world? you got to win elections. they get it and more and more republicans are getting it. moral victories -- >> i don't know about that. >> should have been beaten in 2010 but for a very deeply flawed candidate. harry reid is able to continue on in the united states senate, though i think brian sandoval is likely to run against him and will beat him badly in two years. but he shouldn't be the senate majority leader is the point. in kentucky republican matt bevan is challenging mitch mcconnell - he's the cockfighting guy, right? >> there's the cockfighting guy and the castration candidate. it's all interesting. >> this is the cockfighting guy. the castration candidate is doing well. but the cockfighting guy not doing so well. he can't figure out whether he

likes cockfighting -- it's kind of like the john kerry spin on the war. i was for the war before i was against it. matt bevan was for cockfighting before he wasn't. i would have never stumbled into a back road and gone to a cockfighting rally? >> never. >> never, ever. >> we're going to fact-check that. >> you better. >> it is so horrible. why don't you go at all macintosh and see. >> really, that's by the grace of god -- i don't think so. >> judge not. judge not. okay, anyway, the cockfighting candidate, what happened? >> monday, his target, leading democrat in the race, allison lunder gran grimes.

>> hay hand on a variation, she's young, she's new, she's a woman and she's not mitch mcconnell. and all of those, while they're not -- they're really enough to beat mitch mcconnell. so the reality essentially for all the competitive advantages she then is forced to run against me by talking about issues. by talking about vision. by talking about experience. and she really has none of those on any of those fronts. she really doesn't. >> okay. the cockfighting candidate. >> that was him. >> joining us from washington nbc news and host of the "the daily rundown," chuck todd. >> chuck, you're a political director. does matt bevin support cockfighting or not -- >> what do you think he has to

say about his female opponents? >> this is always dangerous when you talk about the life experience. it comes across as condescen condescending. it comes across to younger folks. this is frustration when you talk to younger voters who think, you know what, this younger generation hasn't exactly wowed the country and how they should run the country. whose to say you should tell us about your life experiences. it's sort of a double and coming around condescending. as to the cockfighting thing, look, you've got to give mcconnell credit, they've been very aggressive of trying to find a couple things to stick on bevin to make him seem cookie. and saying, whoa, this guy is

kooky. by saying, hey, man, this guy is way out. this is not about whether or not you think mitch mcconnell is conservative enough, do you want that guy. >> do we have a count on how many times we said "cockfighting"? >> it's a good day for him if you're saying that word. >> is there a big cockfighting lobby? who's he worrying about angering by coming out against cockfighting? >> you said it two more times. there must be a big enough constituency because he wasn't to a rally. >> let me find out from the commissioner of the league. >> commissioner of the kentucky cockfighting league. let me ask you about bengha benghazi. i want to ask quickly. do you see any dangers for republicans if they overreach? and i said in the last hour, democrats need to be worried. they need to be involved in

this. because four americans died, first ambassador killed on duty since 1979. this is a huge deal. the white house has bungled it. we're still getting e-mails trickling up. they need to be involved. if they don't, they're in trouble. >> i think politically it will damage them. >> what about republicans, though? what are the republican dangers, what would you advise trey gowdy and other republicans? >> there's a very thin line between investigative hearing between serious and kangaroo court. and we've quickly drifted over the line into kangaroo court space. and if we do that, it will backfire. and going after hillary clinton gratuitously, as opposed to making this a serious, probing -- >> are you concerned about that, that there may be -- >> i'm very concerned about it. that's the nature. and that's really the

gravitational drift of these things. >> let me ask you, chuck. what do you see? and what does the white house see on the benghazi deal? does the white house think they have to be involved? >> well, i think the white house would like to make sure if there's going to be a committee that, yes, they have some allies on the committee. but let me just make -- i don't understand why the republicans didn't say to nancy pelosi, she said she wants an even split. you know, and instead of beating her up and saying well she didn't call for an even foot before, say, okay, great. you believe this committee should be. you know what, that's fine, we'll do an even split, let's go. because it goes to steve's point there. it will allow the republicans to get in legitimacy for this. the way they rolled this out, it feels very political. it feels very hand handed. if they accept nancy pelosi's terms immediately, they get some of the high ground back. and theycy-k say, well, it's

fully bipartisan. we're doing it the way the way that nancy pelosi wants to set this up. we get legitimacy back to this. right now, it looks like nothing more than a partisan stunt. >> chuck, we'll see you at the top of the 8:00 hour. steve stay with us. jim vandehi, thank you. still ahead -- really, it's fine. still ahead, congressman trey gowdy will tell us how he plans to overcome a boy cost his benghazi investigation. and then senator claire mccaskill is here. it's going to be a packed 8:00 hour. we'll explain why democrats don't even come close to page the bill for what they want to accomplish. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. we asked people a question,

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now from washington, editor in chief of rocks.com ezra klein. they have a new article out this morning on why they won't pay the tab for the liberal agenda. quote, the problem with socialism, you eventually run of people's money. ezra, there is a point to that, i will say. can democrats pay for what they want the government to do? >> well, you can pay for it. the kind of thing that a democrat runs on in 2014, it doesn't come anywhere close. it honestly isn't where the obama budget is. for more than ten years and it begins to run out of money as well.

when you take in the full expanse what liberals think would be good to do for the country. to pay for that, you need to turn to the kind of things you see in the house budget and the congressional black budget. what you see are tax increases that go on people making about $117,000 for one thing. and then you see broad-based different kinds of consumption taxes. for instance, a big carbon tox which would be good for all kinds reasons related to the environment. but when you're using that to pay for big things, you're using that to a level that no mainstream politician has come close to endorsinendorsing. >> what kind of tax when you say people earning $117,000, what type of rate would you need to tax people making $117,000 to pay for the agenda? >> so one of the things that's happening there, you're lifting the cap on the social security tax. so right now, the tax is a tax

that ends at about $117,000. if i'm off by a few thousand, i'm going by memory. and the budget would simply lift that. and that would bring in a ton of money over time. but it would mean an automatic 6% or 12% depending on how you want to count it, marginal tax increase on people making income above $117,000. that is a recently progressive change because right now everybody less than $117,000 is already paying that tax. everybody above is exempt from that tax. but it's a change from those making a whole lot less than $250,000. >> ezra, for the ill-informed, that would be me, who pays the carbon tax, explain it? >> a carbon tax say tax, what you're doing there, you're

taxing essentially the energy intensity of different taxes. you're taxing how much carbon is emitted when you make a car, when you make a piece of styrofoam. whatever you might make. that tax in ways you do it gets assessed through a production process. and it ends up being something, depending on how you want to do it, a sales tax. so things that have a lot of carbon in the production process would have more tax on them. things with less carbon would have less. it's important to carve b kv out, this isn't like an income tax. the point of this tax is not simply to raise money. the point of this tax is to push the economy to encourage lower carbon products. so that we begin to slow the spread of global warming. >> all right. ezra -- >> hey, ezra, willie, congrats on what you're ogg at vox over there. >> i want to go on another thing which is getting a job out of college which is a concern to so many people, graduates, their

parents. you say the most recent college graduates who finish 2010 or later are least likely to be employed out of a survey of 30,000 graduates. how dire is the problem and how do we attack it? >> for that group of people who graduated college in 2010, the un or underemployment rate, people who have part-time jobs, 17%. for people who graduated 2002 and 2010 it is about 9%. you're dealing with nearly one-fifth unemployment rate. in terms how do we tackle that, how do we get jobs, more to stimulate the economy. but the truth is anybody who has had any relationship with congress and watching this knows we're not going to do anything about it. the good news here, there is good news. the under employment rate is coming down. in the article, it's about 40%

if you did the same calculation in 2012 so that is good news. the economy is getting better. the labor market is getting better. but this is still a pretty bad labor market. a lot of folks who did everything they need to do to get ahead, it's not quite that bad. >> elizabeth warren has a plan to help people with loans for refinancing? >> yeah. this is an interesting one. it's a plan that would basically allow folks with student loans to refinance them easily. interest rates have been incredibly low in part to the bad economy, in part to the federal reserve doing absolutely everything it can to keep interest rates low. the way it's restructured it's impossible to refinance the way you would refinance a home loan. elizabeth warren would make that possible. he would have everybody refinance a student loan so if you got a student loan back when the interest rate was three or four or five percentage points higher, you'd be saving a lot of

money. the way she pays for it to go back to the piece, the buffett tax, at least in part. but it is a change that would give student barrowers, again, we just spoke how a lot of them are not having an easy pass to a job. it is giving relief. what they're trying to do is stimulate the economy. this is place where congress could work in concert with the federal reserve rather than what's has happened in the last couple years working against the federal reserve's efforts to make the economy better. >> ezra klein, thank you so much. julie pace, thank you as well. coming up, the one issue that's managed to bring together democrats caroline maloney and patricia blackburn. we'll tell you what it is next on "morning joe." (woman) the constipation and belly pain

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here with us now republican representative from tennessee congresswoman marsha blackburn and democratic representative

from new york, congresswoman maloney. >> they're the odd couple. >> there's no wall. they're women. and women actually know how to work together. they're reaching across the aisle. >> did you just say wawa? >> do you think i'm a buzz kill? >> no. >> they want to promote a national cause building a national women's history museum in washington, d.c. congresswomen. welcome. marsha, takes it away, tell us about it. >> well, what we have worked on is a piece of legislation that establishes a commission to study the possibility of a women's history museum in d.c. and this is something caroline has worked on for for over a decade. and i have been so pleased to work with her and work to make

this a reality. it's an entirely new template for museums coming into consideration. and this commission would have 18 months in which to do their work, report back to congress and congress would have a vote on whether or not the project would proceed. one of the interesting things with the way this has been approached is it's fiscally responsible. there would never be one dollar of government money that would go into this museum. every penny has to be privately raised and all of that with a feasibility study. >> mike barnicle. >> caroline maloney, why has this taken jolg. >> i know, really. >> why has it taken so long? >> i have great respect, joe, for anything that can get that fragile past the united states congress. when it's over, they say, oh, that looks so easy.

that's what you should have done. we passed it twice. once it passed in the senate and failed in the house. marsha and i have teamed up. we've both made it a top pry yoort and worked on it every single day to build support. to build the support of our leadership. marsha has done an incredible job of getting the leadership of her part to support it. and i've also gotten the leadership of mine to support it. we hope that three times is the charm. it's my hope in 2020 which would be the 100th anniversary of women gaining the right to vote we would open the doors of the doors of the women's museum near the mall. >> one of the things that many don't reallyize, that women's suffrage started in new york. and the right to vote was in tennessee. >> two states have come together

again. >> congresswoman blackburn, i want to ask you one other thing, which is the keystone pipeline. obviously, your party got huge desire to get this moving. what do you think it will take to get the administration to approve this? >> it looks like senator mansion and landrieu have taken the lead in the senate. when you listen to senator mansi manchin, he said he's got the votes. we hope there will not be a kill pill in it. and it will go through and it's up to the president to sign it. and i think he should sign it. you're talking about jobs. you're talking about an economic boost. especially in states that -- gulf coast state. >> carolyn, just so we can totally break the bipartisanship up, what's your view on keystone?

>> uh-oh. keystone -- well, let's focus on building this museum and making it happen. >> there you go. >> the vote is going to be on, we hope it's unanimous. less move forward. we hope to inspire a new generation of leaders. there's not one womens museum on the mall. although were are museums on stamps and law and order and everything else but there's not one in the united states that i can find that's just devoted totally to the contributions of women. and i can't even find one in the world. so this will be an absolute first. and women -- it's been large eye ignored of the 213 statues in the capitol, only a few of women. and the national parks, only two of women. >> hold on one second. i love the idea. i'm the first person to say this is a good idea. can we ask you two about

keystone? >> carolyn, yes or no, good or bad idea? >> well, let's see how it evolves. it's evolving. there are many arguments on both sides. >> great idea. >> well listen, bipartisanship breaks out on capitol hill. i love it. >> i love the museum. congresswoman maloney and marsha blackburn, thank you very much. and mccord has got nothing on this guy. this guy does not tweet somebody while giving them mouth to mouth. >> the political career. we're going to break down some of the more conservative gubernatorial races next in the polling place. ahead at 8:00 eastern time, congressman james clyburn is pushing back. saying quote, i'm not bringing a noose to my own hanging. >> wow, that seems harsh.

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brandstad in close runninging with jack hatch. and gop scott walker finds himself tied with mary burke at 47%. in pennsylvania incumbent tom corbett is struggling to keep the keys to the governor's mansion with polls showing him trailing. however, the gop does appear toic maing inroads elsewhere. in oregon, john kitzhaber is in winning 49 prosecutes of the vote. gop representative dennis richardson is in a good position to make a strong challenge with the latest poll showing a race. all in all, it's shaping up to be a very competitive election cycle in state capitols across the country. guys? >> it's going to be close.

thank you, derrick kitts. >> i'm surprised walker in wisconsin, tied 47/47. i thought walker was clear on that. >> well, he's had a contentious time in texas. he's been involved in controversy, he's a governor who has gone in there who has enacted an agenda. a lot of reforms. it's going to be a close race. i wouldn't count scott walker out of it. he's shown a lot of resiliency. >> she's a good candidate and pretty well-known. and steve said it, the structure of the race, it's a blue to purple state, and he's been controversial. so he's got a floor of support but also a ceiling. he's not going to get 55% of the vote here. once you're below that, you're in danger of losing it. same with john kasich in ohio. if they wanted to run for president, first, they've got to

win the tough elections. coming up at 8:00, ronan farrow is going to be here. we've had nice quality time at the "vanity fair" party. it's complicated -- >> yeah. anyway, luke is here. >> hi, luke. >> the fifth anniversary of his father's book. we're going to take a look at tim's lasting legacy with mike barnicle and, of course, luke. next on "morning joe."

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will not consider a retirement home. >> that was a 2007 report by the late legendary broadcaster tim russert. and here with us now is tim's son and nbc news correspondent luke russert. russert wrote the prefer for the edition. luke, "big russ & me." it's great to hear his voice. >> it's a wonderful thing, people often go to me and they say -- they recognize me in an airport or coffee shop. they try and place me. oh, you're tim russert's son. some people think that gets old. it never gets old for me. it's endearing or heartwarming. sometimes, i get a pat on the back.

>> i can't tell you what happened to your dad. it happens all the time. there's just a hush that goes over the crowd. it really is, it's remarkable. i can't think of another public figure whose name we talk about or bring up. and the reference for your father all these years later, nothing short of extraordinary.

>> tv still remains an mri machine to people out there. the mri machine that is tv gave them an accurate portrayal of a guy who wasn't talking down to anyone, a guy who was there to get a job done for people watching tv, for presenting the news with very little spin or twist and he was going to ask what you wanted to find out. >> one of the lessons that my grandfather taught him and hopefully it's been passed down to me is that you're always loved but you're never entitled, the world doesn't owe you a favor. and sometimes in media i think we see that people for get who they're there for. you can relate, mike, to great

gr growing up with the nuns -- >> sister lucille. >> that he had to seek out the truth. what you learned in law school, to seek the truth. but he really believed that sincerely. it wasn't just something he said. as reverend jesse jackson once said, he died with his work shoes on. >> president bush had just returned from an overseas trip and came to the wake and the bribely. the president could not have been better that day with the family. but sister lucille was first in line. the president of the united states came into the library and he walked in and walked offer to sister lucille.

he said you must have taught sister lucille and she said, yes, i did. he said what grade did you teach him because you did a good job. and she said, "i teach seventh grade" and he looked at her and said "ooh, that's a hard within." >> i think there is a responsibility you have to find the truth and seek the truth but you also have to be tough on politicians. i think nothing upset him more when certain journalists were overly cozy with politicians. there's an idea you're here on behalf of the american and you

can't back down. in your book you talk about how my father kept pressing hillary clinton about obtaining an illegal driver's license. that was unraveling of the campaign, and he didn't apologize for it. he said you can do it in a way of being objective. >> mike barnicle, we have a picture. >> it's a famous game, famous game. up there on nantucket. the barnicles and the russerts playing a little touch football.

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hillary clinton gave the key note address at the national council for behavior health in maryland. she held a q & a session after. things got quite personal. >> what is your guilty pleasure? >> let's see. >> are there that many? >> i'm just trying to think of the g-rated ones. no!

>> well, hello, madam secretary. >> i like that cut-away. that was good. >> welcome back to "morning joe." mike hall pers-- halpern and jog us ed rendell and in chicago, former chairman of the national committee, michael steele. >> ed rendell, earlier we have tim kaine come out and endorse hillary. are you ready for that? >> i have to get permission. >> no, don't. come on. >> i think hillary clinton is

the best democratic candidate in the field. i endorse her over any others. >> no. there are no others. he's ready for hillary. >> a vote on the keystone pipeline has been delayed indefini indefinitely. yesterday reid put his foot down with his colleagues on the right over how many amendments could be put on the bill. >> working with my senate colleagues reminds me of chasing a pig in a greased pig contest. every time we get close to making progress, we see it slip through our hands and it slips away. they want a vote on keystone and it's not good enough for them.

they add four, five more amendments. it's never quite enough. >> harry reid quite upset. they did pass a most to proceed. republicans have been out of the mainstream over the past several years on a lot of issues. steve and i believe and a lot of others believe democrats are really out of touch on these energy issues. an energy revolution is coming up. if you read my feed yesterday to see the extremism from the far left and none as soon as sense e are saying we should fuel with wind. ask boone pickens the business model for that. he's lot a billion dollars doing that. where are you on keystone and what will transform the economy

and bring jobs back to good working class people. >> we had 70 permits for deep fracking of shale. my last year as governor we had 3,300. i believe fracking can be done in an environmentally safe way, but the pennsylvania economy did very, very well with fracking. a lot of people who thought they would die poor got royalties on their land and did well. it created a lot of good paying jobs. it was good for the economy and energy independence is crucial for this country. but that means we have to use all sources of energy. i'm for the keystone pipeline but only if we pass a co comprehensive bill for -- >> so it's all of the above. it's oil, natural gas but also

the alternative energies as well. we can do two things at one. it's not a zero sum game. you're not go to create an energy revolution that you only want to chew on a granola bar at the base of a windmill somewhere. >> pennsylvania was the third highest state in the nation in what was called green energy jobs. energy independence is not on the key to our economy but i also think it's the key to our national security. >> amen. >> there are growing questions about the size and scope of the new congressional panel or benghazi. a house resolution says there will be a republican majority with seven republicans and five democrats. minority leader nancy pelosi objected to the unequal balance. some have suggested boycotting

the committee. and in part it was said "i would be dead set against it, i'm not bringing a noose to my hanging," said jim clyburn. >> and here we have a question for you, congressman. >> you said you had evidence of a coverup in benghazi. i wonder if you can tell us what that coverup is. >> you have the same document being produced at judicial watch that was produced to congress but with different redactions. that's one example of having discovery that you can't rely on. so with respect to whether it's documents or witnesses, i want to assure myself that we have

every document that we're entitled to, then we can quarrel about the classification and i want to talk to every witness who has firsthand knowledge. i can't aside motive to people, whether or not they fail to turn over a document in terms of negligence or intent -- we don't have the document. >> what's your response to the white house saying that want about benghazi specifically, it was more generally about the middle east? >> well, how many people were harmed in the middle east during that time period? the second goal or third goal of ben rhodes' momeemo was to brin countries to justice for harming our citizens. what else was being discussed other than benghazi? jay carney has done a good job of explaining some this evening.

that was not one of his better jobs. >> what are your unanswered questions about you suspect that he did? >> i'm an old prosecutor. i'm not going to suspect what he did. i think he can clear it up by telling us what he did. people can judge for themselves. that's a part for the benghazi. that's a part of the story but not the biggest part of what the president was doing during that time period. only he can answer that. he certainly hasn't been asked by congress. whether or not he's been asked for the media, i will leave for y'all to research. >> sir, with all due respect, it sounds like you have a lot of questions. there have been investigatiseve

investigations and questions. where does an investigation and a coverup begin? i want to know black and white, was there a coverup and do you have evidence? >> the talking points changed multiple times. the first iteration did not contain the talking points the last one did. there are lots of reasons for this. i know folks like to use the word coverup. i prefer to use evidence. i need all the evidence, unredacted and access to all the witnesses and then you are welcome to draw whatever conclusions you want but you can't draw any conclusions if you don't have the evidence.

>> mika, i got to say this, so. when i was practicing law, if the other side asked me to produce documentation involved in an incident and i did what the white house did and i kept an e-mail that goes to the heart of it and i didn't produce it, i would be one nervous attorney because the judge could hold me in contempt of court, in a civil case or criminal case, for withholding information. i don't know if you call that a coverup or not. i know if an attorney did that in private practice, he or she would be in big trouble. >> i'll come back at you and say i've been very critical about how the whole roll-out of benghazi happened, with susan rice being put on "meet the

press" and i'm skeptical about what trey gowdy is say, as well. you can say you have a cover up and you can say you have questions still because there's been 30 investigations. it's somewhere in the middle. what are you talking about? >> there have been investigations? >> we just had the evidence last week. there are a lot of people who say when you ask for an e-mail, all information involving this, which we all know the white house want straight forward on and then we find an e-mail just from last week where that are directing susan rice to steer it away from what really happened and talk about a video, there are a lot of americans that think that constitutes a coverup. >> the memo i think is evidence of a cover up but, joe, you have to keep in mind that every change that mike morrell made to the talking points sanitized or immunized the administration

from criticism. initially they were critical of the state department for missing every sign and signal in libya of escalating violence. he's the one who inserted spontaneous reaction or protest and despite the fact that the station chief and greg hooks said that's not true. i know mika wants me to choose between unanswered questions and a coverup. you can have both. the the only way you can sort all of this out is to have access to all of the documents in a timely fashion and sort it all. >> you called yourself an old

prosecutor. tell us as a prosecutor what is the single most important question about benghazi that has been unanswered. >> for me personally why our administration missed episode of violence after episode of violence in libya leading up to september 11th, 2012, an attack on the british ambassador, an attack on the international red cross, an attack on our facility in benghazi on the night where our four fellow citizens were murdered. others would go to the talking points, some would go to the military response but i want to know why when we had -- we were placed on actual notice that benghazi is a dangerous place, why were we still there? >> chuck todd. >> congressman gowdy, you've

heard that nancy pelosi would like it to be an even number on the select committee. some democrats are talking about boycotting it. if you've got the house democratic leader already ready to negotiate on the size of the committee, why not take her up on it? doesn't it help the investigation credibility if it is an even number. >> the house committee isn't an even number -- >> i staunderstand that but don you want to -- this has a whiff of politics to it, more than a whiff. don't you agree if you accept

her terms you'd get more cr credibili credibility, which i assume is something you want. >> i do want credibility and i encourage you to watch the process. there are more republicans in the house than democrats. simply because something is evenly distributed doesn't mean it's tied to credibility. they went from boycotting it to asking it to be evenly constituted. there's no other committee in congress other than ethics, which is an entity of itself, and if you look at the history, when she had an opportunity to provide an evenly constituted committee, she passed on it. it can be fair and still dominated by one party or another and my challenge is at the end of this for you to say he's not very smart but he was fair. >> congressman gowdy, the whiff

of politics that todd is talking about is basically the base of mid terms is running off of benghazi. do you agree? >> the white house going out on benghazi, would you suggest your fellow members while this investigation is going on they not use benghazi for fund-raising purposes? >> yes, and i will cite myself as an example. i have never sought to raise a single penny on the backs of four murdered americans. so to the extent that they would look to me as some evidence of what's appropriate and what's not, there are two -- still, even if a culture of hyper partisanship, scertain things that ought to be above politics.

>> yesterday some people were bringing up around the set concerns that you could have a committee that could have one subpoena after another subpoena going out all the way through 2016, going after hillary clinton, going into the election campaign. do you think there should be a limit on how long the subpoena power should be for the committee, a limit to the scope so people don't say, hey, you republicans, you're just doing this to go after hillary? >> part of the answer to that depends upon how compliant the administration is with the subpoena. if the administration is slow walking document production, i can't end a trial because they won't cooperate. you go back and look at my 16-year career as a prosecutor and you're going to find defense

attorneys that say, look, i thought my client was innocent but the guy gave me a fair trial. you can say he's not smart, his suit doesn't match, bad hair cut, no one will say he isn't fair. and you will say the same thing. >> let me say, i followed your career and i do wonder about the hair cut. no, it's a good hair cut, it a good suit. trey, thanks for being with us. good luck on getting to the bottom of what really happened on september 11th. >> chuck, we'll see you at 9:00. ed rendell, michael steele, stay with us. >> michael just wouldn't stop talking in that segment. >> he was out of control. he was going all eugene roberts

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what a shocking turn of events that joe said he would be here on opening day ant isn't here. says one thing and does another. >> i say such nice things about her and she attacks me, those sleazy, left-wing tactics. claire doesn't tell the american people, why was i not here? >> you were at the airport. mika said he can't go. two this evenings, your back was hurting, you had that fund-raiser for the poor children -- >> i did, i did.

and i was crawling actually across the airport at laguardia, crawling on my hands and knees trying to get to the pay phones going "i must call claire." and here she is attacking me and it makes me sad. >> here she is, the democratic senator, claire mccaskill. >> oh, be quiet. you look wonderful. >> how about mika. >> mika, you look wonderful. >> i want to come out and make it up. work on the grounds crew or whatever. >> oh, yeah, yeah. sure. >> i'll clean out the sewer. whatever it takes. >> we can have you headline the

fund-raiser at one my colleagues' democratic events. >> i can't go to any fund-raisers but if you host a chicken dinner at $25 a head, i can do that but you won't make any money. >> claire, i'm really sorry that my back hurt and my children really needed me. >> and hi, little boy,. >> hi, mama. let's end this here. let's end this here. >> a bigger question on

benghazi, when are we going toabto be able to fund a post in these areas that will keep them safe? >> before benghazi i had hearings on, security. we had real issues in afghanistan on embassy security. these are contracted positions. i believe strongly all of our embassies should not be protected by contract personnel but rather by our military. but obviously with the pressures, the financial pressures that we have trying to cut our budgets, it is now deciding that this is priority when there are so many privates that we ha -- priorities we have to fund. >> my brother can't go anywhere alone. >> the administrative review

board that the government commissioned to look at benghazi, they had real substantive recommendations, including for covert posts like, there you're able to transfer some of the oversee funding for like this. >> that's a big question. >> we are losing sight of that on the hill. what do you think? >> i think that's probably true. i don't think that -- hillary clinton was really criticized, you know, for what does it matter that, quote, they'd taken out of context. what she was trying to emphasize in her testimony is that now it's most important, this was a tragedy, it's a terrible thing that happened is making sure we prevent it going forward. there's been so much focus in trying to extract political points on benghazi, a lot of people have lost sight of the fact we still haven't gotten it

fixed. >> and the fact of the matter is hillary clinton was on the hill begging for more money for securi security. >> yes, she was. >> what's going to happen with the pipeline? >> the notion is why can't we do it safely through the united states? clearly all of the studies have indicated we can do it safely through the united states. so i'm for it. >> what's going to happen, though? >> i think we're going to have a vote. i think there's 11 democrats who have signed on to support it. clearly the votes are there to pass the keystone pipeline in the united states senate. >> michael steele has a question for you. >> following up on the pipeline, in addition to the idea of getting this passed, what do you see longer term in terms of the senate and house coming together

around some comprehensive solutions? joe and others were mentioning the bottom up, include the entire package. is there a real desire to do something like that so you doesn't get bogged done on key stone but the senate is looking to lead the country on energy? >> one of the story that's not being told here is we've had a surge of energy production in this country and now less than half of our needs are being met by foreign oil because we have increased our energy production so much. getting our house together, that's really hard. any time we try to bring this comprehensive energy bill up on the floor, they keep moving -- it's like charlie brown. they keep moving the goalpost. first they just wanted to vote

on keystone. okay, you got a vote. now they want more amendments. okay, now they want more amendments. it's almost look they don't want to us get anything done because they think it helps them politically. >> michael stone, what are your thoughts? >> i think they should. even more so than benghazi, i think this is a real issue for republicans because it cuts into a couple of things. it cuts into the whole conversation about jobs. and what actually can be done to spur this economy as we just saw the report that came out last week about the growth in the first quarter being as anemic as it was. i think that was a real benchmark moment for the gop. for senator mccaskill's point, let's stop moving the football here and define what the football is and talk about it in a way that i think will rally the american people and sort of peel back some of the politics.

i think the administration is really on the hook on this issue. as the senator noted, there are 11 democrats ready to move on this thing. the white house is the stick in the mud here and they're playing politics here. i think the republican party and republican leadership can really bring that point home because it is affecting jobs right now. not 20 years from now, right now. >> senator claire mccaskill, it's always great to you have on the show. thank you. >> thank you. and i love your t-shirt, mika. next time i'm back, let's talk about sexual assault on college campuses. >> would have love to do that. >> joe, i love you, too. >> i love you, claire. >> kind of, kind of. >> he doesn't deserve that. >> no, i'm going to work on the grounds crew. i'm going to get out of that dog house. trust me. >> yahoo! is set to been fit from alibaba's ipo.

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those who came before us made certain that this country rode the first waves of the industrial revolution, the first waves of modern invention and the first wave of nuclear power and this generation does not intend to founder in the back wash of the coming age of space. we mean to be a part of it. we mean to lead it. >> that was president john f. kennedy telling the people we choose to go to the moon not because it's easy but because it's hard. with us the first technology officer, author of "innovative state, how innovation can transform governments." mika is in it, right? >> how did that happen?

>> the white house council on women and girls took a deep dive into what is the source of the women's pay gap? and and your story unspierd us to open up a data competition where we invited the private sector, including sites like salary.com, who voluntarily opened up their secret data to have women have new tools to negotiate their case in the workplace. >> oh, my lord! >> we talked about the meeting before healthcare.gov was launched. i said as a republican i was against the policy. i said if this works the way you tell me it works, you can expand

this to v.a., to social security. you can create innovation that will put people closer to their government. have i have to ask what went so terribly wrong? >> we have a culture now if the government put up a fair and open competition to create a health care.g -- healthcare.gov because the bidders who compete almost immediately protest if they lose -- >> how did that happen? >> they did it off a limited set of vendors who had already been working with the government. you had a smaller pool of people competing -- >> so competition. >> lower the barriers to entry, expand opportunity. that's the formula for most success. >> ronnan. >> and it's about the technology that's used when you can go

online -- >> my colleague in the white house actually put forward a cloud-first policy where we changed the default setting around how we acquire technology to be much more aligned with what the private sector is doing today. i would go a step further. healthcare.gov actually had its predecessor that went live in july of 2010 built on all the modern technologies in less than 90 days with no big governor procurement but my successor, todd park and former colleague meg and, led this team, a band of brothers and sisters of internal and external experts and built a robust site that was so successful, u.s. news and world report has powered their version with the data.

>> there are some states, new york and maryland are two examples -- openness by default is the model, secretary clinton convened about 50 heads of state to -- you have case examples all over the world, even using lesser means of technology, india has people writing chalk on the wall open data, who is getting paid for what and what purpose. >> they do not. >> yes, they do. >> what happens after it's written on the wall. >> it creates accountability. >> i have to step in. it's something where a lot of

governments got a chance to give platitudes about transparency but there are members that are terrible at transparency. how do you respond to that? >> the local ngos can hold them accountable based on their commitments. >> you're fantastic. thank you for coming on. you should come back and we should talk about these issues on a rolling basis. the book is "rolling state," aneesh chopra, thank you very much. >> coming up, should google be

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