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mitchell. u.s. officials confirmed that the u.s. aflying manned surveillance flights over nig nigeria after boko haram released video of some of the captured girls in an unknown location. a terror group issued a video message demanding a release of their own militants in exchange for girls. stephanie gosk filed this report from the capital of cameroon. >> reporter: the parents of the school girls are getting their first opportunity now to pore over this video and search for their children, agonizingly. we spoke to a father in the capital of nigeria, he looked at the video and recognized two of the school girls but didn't actually see his daughter. even if he did, it only a slight comfort. they are still in the hands of boko haram earn the leader says

they will not be released until prisoners, boko haram prisoners are released from prisons all around nigeria. we're getting interesting information here in cameroon from the military. this gives an idea of how well armed they are. about a week after the girls were kidnapped. the cameroon military extreme north of the country, a large cache of weapons, ak-47s and anti-aircraft guns, what they said it was enough arms really too probably arm a group of hundreds of fighters. a really incredible stash that gives an opportunity of just how powerful the group is in this region. it also tells you how easily they are moving across borders into cameroon and into chad. >> stephanie gosk reporting from cameroon, boko haram is well

armed and well coordinated group. mike echael lighter, first of a boko haram, heavily armed, able to move across borders, what we saw on the proof of life video is a large group of girls not all of the girls. what does that tell the people who now have the job you used to have in terms of our ability to track them down? >> this is a very tough challenge, andrea. the good news from that video is that a large group of those women are still together. there is the possibility that they had been broken up into very small groups of five or six and scattered and that would really make sme sort of large scale rescue operation impossible. now that you know you've got one relatively large group, 100 plus, that's really positive and gives you some potential. but as these resources are

moving into nigeria and flying overhead and satellite and people on the ground to help analyze that intelligence, you have a daunting task. this is a remote area, difficult to gets to, you have to find them and get there and are to do it without having the hostages armed. >> we have known there had been a two-hour warning that the mir aweders are approaching the town where the school was and there was no help from police or other military in the area. what about payoffs and corruption and relationships between these terrorists and different factions within the country itself? >> there's a tremendous degree of corruption within nigeria. really all fronts, not just security, the bigger problem in this case is the nigerian government, both the federal government and more local officials don't have a significant precedence where boko haram is the greatest threat. even if the military had two hours of warning, their ability

to get there and protect against very well armed boko haram forces who probably outnumber of government forces would be really minimal. and again, this has been an ongoing problem for the government. how do you get and keep military forces in this area in a way they can both protect the fop lags and frankly that they don't alienate much of the population by using heavy handed tactics which resulted in very serious human rights complications, thus further complicating u.s. cooperation. >> there's even a report that president obama in his conversation with goodluck jonathan raised the human rights issue offending this completely discredited president of a country that waited three weeks to even begin to talk -- not nol john kerry called him last week did he agree they might welcome support. it took days more to get them to accept the support so that the fbi and military teams didn't

even know what to sends and what to do. what about negotiating behind the seens? there have to be conversations going on. >> i think there are probably quiet conversations going on behind the scenes. that happens in almost every one of these controversies and hostage situations, but frankly a really large scale exchange of hostages is very unlikely because what that really does is show weakness for the president of nigeria and starts to elevate boko haram. i don't think that's the most likely outcome. the silver lining so far is nigeria is accepting help. this isn't just a we're sostd on terrorism that we have to worry about the human rights esh esh yus, these are limits on what the government can do, we're providing assistance to properly vetted parts of the security operation will help and the more

intelligence they have, the more understanding they have of the situation, the more it allows them to engage boko haram without negotiating the way which elevates them but continues to suppress a threat which has been going on for some time despite the lack of a lot of western attention to the problem. >> pat leahy's amendments was to not have us give military aid to regimes that have human rights abuses for the obvious reasons. quick question about the alleged delay in designating boko haram as a terror group. this is being used to try to go after hillary clinton's record as secretary of state. where individuals were designated but not the group itself. the pushback from the bush era ambassador there was that this was not done to avoid elevating and giving them more celebrity and giving them what they wanted, more oxygen and publicity. your take, you may have been part of that debate, i'm not sure. >> i wasn't part of the final

discussion. the bottom line is the state department traditionally has been more dofish and not just hillary clinton's state department but all state departments are more dovish about designating terrorist organizations but designating the organization is not the key part to countering the threat and attacking them at the source. in my view, yes the state department was more dovish, did that have significant effect on the fight against boko haram? in my view knno. i frankly think they should have been designated earlier but do i think the delay had a serious consequence in this event or path of boko haram? i really don't. >> thanks so much for your perspective. moving now to the situation in ukraine. the country's defense ministry says six service members were ambushed and killed and eight

others wounded in the same region where a referendum was passed over the weekend, the separatists behind the referendum asked to join the mugs federation and the kremlin is not ready to enforce that vote. joining me now from donetsk, richard engel. this was a referendum held without any opposition or transparency or proper balloting. that said, the tensions in that region obviously getting to a difficult stage when you have deaths of ukrainian government members. >> reporter: not just tensions but you have what sometimes looks like a very low grade civil war. today not far from here in eastern ukraine, a convoy of ukrainian troops war traveling in the middle of the day and according to the ukrainian defense ministry as this convoy of vehicles was passing along a

road. about 30 militants who were hiding in the bushes by a river, open fire on the convoy use gs rifles and rocket propelled grenades and killed these six ukrainian soldiers. the ukrainian government is blaming this on the pro-russian separatists, the same people who declared their own independence in two regions this weekend. then almost as soon as that declaration was made, the two regions reached out and called -- made open appeals to moscow saying they wants to be part of russia, they want to join the russian federation. this is a situation that is continuing. you have violence being carried out by both sides, the ambush by the pro-russian separatist and what the ukrainian government calls counter terrorism organizations where it goes into russian communities and arrest

or kill separatist leaders and sometimes also kill civilians as well. >> richard, i just got back from europe in talking to a number of people, french, italian and others. there is no appetite, the germans, for tougher sanctions. it seems that the attitude there is much more, well, this is understandable, it's putin's area. that may not noltd what the leaders are saying but that's what a lot of intelligence are saying. quite a different perspective where you are -- >> i've been hearing the exact same thing from european contacts and friends as well. there was very little appetite in germany and italy and france, these companies just struggling to emerge from years of economic recession and they don't want to see more economic disruption and see fuel supplies that flow from russia through ukraine

disrupted, which would hurt their dmes and hurt our economy, but hurt the european economy much more. there is also this sympathy of this understanding that this was part of the soviet union. it is taking place right on russia's door step that vladimir putin expressed his ideology cal vision to bring the former soviet republics back into the fold but by force if necessary. there seems to be more much tolerance by many europeans than there is coming from the united states, at least verbally. frankly speaking, the kind of actions taken so far from washington and europe are roughly commence rat. >> indeed six members. 28-member union rely 100% on russian on mother russia for natural gas and oil. that does make it a complicating factor.

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it has been nearly a year since edward snowden first disclosed classified documents igniting an international firestorm over america surveillance program, one of the journalists who helped break the story is out with a new book, revealing the dramatic behind the scenes story of snowden's revelations and escape. the prize winning journalists talks about snowden's fears before publishing his troef of secrets. i only have one fear in doing all of this, that people will see the documents and shrug. the only thing i'm worried about, i'll do all this to my life for nothing. little chance of that. glenn greenwalt joins us from new york. nbc news has a collaboration agreement with first look media where greenwalt is a contributor. thanks for being with us today. the storm that was created a year ago still continues. what do you think is the most important result of what you and snowden, ork achieved?

>> i think it's that people around the world think much differently about a whole variety of topics, especially the role of government in the digital age and dangers of surveillance. people around the world for the first time feel empowered how to protect their privacy and what should be permitted and not permitted in the internet and what kinds of pressure they can put on their government to make sure their privacy is safeguarded. >> i want to give you a chance to respond to the critics that say there needs to be surveillance to protect our national security. where do you think the nsa went off track in terms of the surveillance? do you think it was after 9/11, before 9/11? has there's always been surveillance. >> everybody agrees there's a legitimate form of surveillance that's targeted and zbriming of people who are plotting terrorist attacks. but there's a new document that we publish in the book in which

the nsa describes its new collection posture, a series of phrases to describe what it is designed to do. those phrases are collect it all, sniff it all, exploit it all and know it all. that's become the problem. in the wake of 9/11, the agency transformed from an already vast system that people will be warning before for years but one still confined into the largest system of suspiciousless surveillance that puts whole populations under a microscope rather than individuals. >> do you accept the fact that under president obama's new guidelines that we're no longer spying on foreign leaders, that we are taking other things into consideration on foreigners themselves? >> to be honest of all of stories published, the ones about nsa spying on foreign leaders is the ones that have been least important and least impressive to me. i think states spy on other

leaders including democratically elected ones close to the country fairly traditional. i'm more concerned how innocent people are being surveilled. so sure i think president obama cares what angela merkel thinks and her protest because germany is an important country. but i hope we start caring more about what millions and millions of americans are the type of surveillance they are being subjected to and foreign nationals around the world too. i don't see much reform there at all. >> one of the quotations from the book says that for the reason for leaking the documents, the true measurement is what they say they believe in but what they do in defense of the beliefs. if you are not acting in your beliefs, they probably aren't real. >> you also talk about how you almost missed the story and you had been in communication with snowden and had not downloaded the encryption that he wanted, that he demanded for obvious reasons. and you said, that snowden said

to you, here am i, ready to risk my liberty, perhaps even my life, to hand this guy thousands of top secret documents from the most secretive agency, that will produce dozens if not hundreds of journalistic scoops and he can be bothered to install an encryption program, that's how i came to blowing off one of the largest leaks in national history. tell us about your first interactions with edward snowden. >> there's been so much said about the story and back story and so much has been false. i wanted to let readers into how difficult the experiences were, the spy craft and intrigue and tension that went into it. first con tablgt from edward snowden in october of 2012, he was very reluctant to say almost anything that would make me think that he was worth spending time on. i have some things to tell you and want you to install sophisticated encryption.

like most journalists i didn't have any idea that encryption was important. i ignored him and couldn't tell me anything that would make me prioritize. and he got frustrated and went and asked her to involve me. i got the story. that's important, the more people around the world realize the privacy is being compromised, more they can protect their own privacy through encryption. jourmists in particular ought to be using that. >> tell me what you think will happen to edward snowden. there's talk his attorneys might be working on a plea agreement where he could return to the united states, perhaps if he doesn't serve any time. do you think there is some sort of legal exit strategy for him where he could come back from moscow? >> i hope so. one of the problems is that a lot of american politicians like to say if he really believes what he does was right, he should quote, man up and come

back and make his case in court. the problem is the courts have said when you're charged with espionage violations, it's not a defense to say what you did was justified or you were a whistleblower, that motive doesn't matter. he would be barred from raising that defense. it's not a fair trial. until he feels like he can get a fair trial, he's not going to come back to spend the rest of his life in prison. i think russia will extend the asylum and others are debating whether to give him asylum. it's more likely he'll stay protected in another country. >> how can be be sure while he was in hong kong that other secrets in his control might have been accessed by the chinese? we know they are very good at this. or in russia as well. >> one of the facts that got i think suppressed early on and come to light, edward snowden wasn't this low level i.t. guy but highly trained operative with great expertise in

protecting sensitive digital information from invasion by other states. can i tell you 100% certain this didn't happen? nobody can prove that negative. he didn't do what he did to help other states like china or russia augment their capabilities. it's been a high priority to him to make sure no other states can increase their surveillance power as a result of the sacrifice he made with the disclosures. >> what more is to be revealed? >> there are a lot of stories left. one of the big questions is who has been targeted in the united states by the nsa, who is it that they consider threats and how are those decisions made. there's a ton of new stories in the book but there's stories to come to about those questions as well that people will find very informative, if not shocking. >> do you have any concerns that you witnessingly or not, would

be doing something that would hurt national security as you would define it, the protection of the united states from enemies, foreign and domestic? >> as i think everyone knows, edward snowden gave us tens and thousands of documents. in the ten months we've been reporting on the story, a small percentage of those have been published because we've been so extremely careful. we criticize in a lot of circles for not publishing enough. i find the critique we haven't publish the enough to be more valid than we published too much. there's zero evidence there is harm to national security or harm to people as a result of stories we reported. >> the book is "no place to hide" a fascinating story and more to come. thank you very much. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> and coming up next, the latest on the va investigation in phoenix, with two highly dedicated guests. we'll be right back. i am totally blind.

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an american leej oj task force will host a town hall. the task force plans to visit the hospital tomorrow where 40 veterans reportedly died waiting for care. it was then covered up and american legion called for veterans affairs secretary eric shinseki to resign. he'll be testifying before a senate panel on thursday along with national commander daniel dellinger. dan joins me now and colonel jack jacobs medal of honor recipient and military analyst. first, dan, tell me why you think eric shinseki should be forced out or resign over this scandal? >> we've asked for secretary shinseki and undersecretary hickky and under secretary's resignation because of failed

leadership and poor oversight of the va. >> do you think they should be held personally responsible? was this at a lower level or do you think is it confined to phoenix? is it a national scandal, national problem? >> this is a national problem. you're seeing more and more whistle blowers come out across the country, fort collins, texas, cheyenne, wyoming, there's a new one in durham, north carolina. this is far reaching. and it does -- we didn't do this just because of phoenix. we did this because of the troubling trend we've seen over the last couple of years. it all started back in pittsburgh and legionella disease and they covered it up then and continued to cover up things since that. >> are you talking about what happened all the way -- how long ago in pittsburgh?

>> 2011. >> there's been a backlog colonel jack, we snow that, but this goes beyond a quote backlog. this goes to deliberate covering up of these deaths and of people being taken off the list. >> general shinseki will be the first to tell you that a commander is responsible for everything that happens or fails to happen in his organization. he said that he serves at the pleasure of the president which means he will leave when the president tells him to go. he's actually done a very good job of reducing the backlog as big as it is now. it was much bigger about two years ago. having said all of that, it doesn't matter who runs the veterans administration, the department of veterans affairs or how much money you give it. the bureaucratic structure is totally and completely incapable of handling what it needs to and that is to take care of our veterans. >> dan, i know that the backlog was improving and then during

the government shutdown they back slid quite a bit and it started building up again, the iraq and afghanistan veterans are not calling for the resignation or for the ouster of shinseki yet. there's a division among some veterans groups but you at the american legion are way out front on this. do you have anything to say to those veterans that think that shinseki tried to do a good job and war hero himself and deserves some respect? >> we have the most utmost respect for the secretary. he's a true patriot and his record is above reproach as far as military. but you have to look at this. we go into hospitals every week. we've been doing this for ten years since 2003, called a still worth saving. we have town hall meetings and go in and assess how the hospitals are treating the patients and then we also give a report to congress every year on our findings from these

different hospitals. we have intimate knowledge and unfortunately the vfw and the iava don't have boots on the ground on this. we are way ahead on this and we also go into the regional offices and review the disability claims. although they have done a great job of reducing that number, you have to also look at the accuracy of those. these are all things that are part of what we see every day. and i think that's why -- that is the reason we finally asked for the resignation of those three. >> and colonel jack, finally on a different subject, the medal of honor recipient, know better than anyone that i know, what these ceremonies mean and heroism, we're talking about kyle j. white being honored for operations in combat in 2009.

>> he was a radio telephone operator in afghanistan. they were ambushed, which is frequently how situations like this begin. it is usually not a good operation to start with. at least a dozen of his comrades were killed and wounded in the initial seconds. he ran out through fire swept terrain in order to tend to the wound and bring back wound and tried to recover bodies while he himself was wounded. then he refused to be evacuated until the battle was completely over later that night. >> just an extraordinary heroism and the honor will be later today, colonel jack and dan dellinger, thanks very much. msnbc will bring you live coverage of president obama awarding the medal of honor at 3:00 p.m. here on msnbc.

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we know about washington and adams and jefferson and most americans can cite their a accomplishments. what about james madison? so writes lynn cheney, wife of former vice president dick cheney as he explores the life and contributions in madison in "james madison". >> congratulations on the book. >> thank you. >> you've written so many books in the past. this is a really deep history though. why james madison? what is it about madison that absorbed you? >> it's part of a mystery. you really said it forth. here's this man who more than any other was the architect of

the constitution, the architect of the bill of rights. he was crucial to the establishment of the first government and our president for the first time when we went to war under the constitution. and people tend to miss him when they go over the founding fathers so in the beginning i was curious why that was so and as i began to write the book seriously, it really was a kind of wrong i wanted to remedy. >> grade school knowledge focuses more on dolly madison saving paintings from the white house in the war of 1812 when the british were burning the white house rather than james madison. was it because of his personality, his stature? >> he was a fairly small man. he was 5'6" which to me seems tall. >> me to. >> he was reserved. if he were alive today he would not be the one elbowing himself to the front of the pack to get on tv. he understood that the important thing was to get your goal ak

flished. and it didn't matter whether you got the credit or not. i think for that reason he's been overlooked more than the other founders have been. and you talk about in the book write about dolly madison, her influence during the 1808 race for the republican nomination. that madison had another advantage which was that the congressional caucus would decide the republican candidate and dolly madison was enormously skilled at winning over members of congress. she repeatedly invited them to the madison home wherefore several hours they could forget their personal misery. one compared it to living with bears and hearing nothing from politics from morning to night. how pleasant was a evening. >> it was a very important gesture, they were miserable and cramped in boarding houses and had nothing to do except talk politics to one another. when she invited them to f street and they could play cards and share a snuff box, they

enjoyed themselves. it was an important step towards helping madison get the congressional caucus's nomination for president in 1808. >> you thought about -- you write how you thought about -- you said you thought about dolly madison and war of 1812 when you and your husband were on 9/11 leaving washington for a -- quha do we call it? >> undisclosed location. been a long time since we talked about that. we did take off from the south lawn of the white house. you can see smoke rising from the pentagon. it did occur to me that this had not happened since 1814, had washington's public buildings been burned by an enemy. so the parallel between the two events was pretty natural at that time. >> what about the parallel between madison and the politics at the time and politics today? >> i think madison wouldn't be surprised. he would see that congress

locked in fighting with one another and tossing over the wall and the senate majority leader calling people un-american and say, i kind of remember it was that way in my own time. madison in fact ushered in an era of great turbulence by founding a political party to oppose alexander hamilton. treasury-secretary under washington who was determined to tail the country in a direction that madison didn't think was appropriate. alexander hamilton wanted to expand the size of government. madison was a limited government fellow. >> disclosure of medical issues for politicians and candidates and future candidates. you and your husband went through a lot with his first heart attack and all through the vice presidency. best i know it was all disclosed in real time. carl roefl has very controversially commented that he thinks that hillary clinton

was covering something up when she was hospitalized in the fall afl falling and hitting her head and it was simultaneous with the benghazi controversy. what do you think is the injunction on candidates and on others from the outside who without any medical knowledge might be opining. >> madison certainly did not disclose his health issue, which was a mild form of epilepsy, i'm convinced, the evidence all supports that. he said that at the end of his presidency. he didn't talk about it going along. i don't think it made him a less good president. but in our day, i think everything will be disclosed if you don't disclose it first. you might as well get out front and say what's happened. >> do you have any opinion about what proef said about clinton. >> i don't have any reason to suspect that what carl said is the fact or not the fact.

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on a trip to europe before she married jack kennedy. it reveals her most personal thoughts about the man she would be marrying including his propennsylvanipr propennty for women and political ambitions. i'm fascinated by these letters, as all americans who thoutd they knew jackie kennedy would be. what do you think is the most surprising things about the never before seen letters? >> i think the most surprising thing was that she had reservations about marrying the man she loved. and she told the priest in ireland, father leonard, that she was worried that jfk might prove to be like her father. and i think the most remarkable closing that she said about jfk, he's like my father in a way, loves the chase and gets bored

with the con quest once married he proved still attractive so flirts about other women and resents you. i saw how that nearly killed mommy. i think that's a quote that is absolutely extraordinary. but she overcame her reservations and in one of the letters to this priest, she said a senator needs a wife and so she went ahead and as we all know married him. >> and in fact, in one of the quotations, another of the quotations, the one you just read was the most remarkable. she also wrote, maybe i'm just dazzled and picture myself in a glittering world of crowned heads and men of destiny and not just a sad little housewife. that world can be very glamourous from the outside but if you're in it and you're lonely, it could be a hell. she knew what she was getting into. >> but it wasn't hell as we know because a year after marrying him she wrote to the priest and said, quote, i love being

married much more than i did even in the beginning. and as we know, i think they seem to have had a very happy wonderful marriage. of course, it ended dreadfully. but i think that it seemed she was very happy. >> indeed. this is a different jacqueline kennedy, this is different even from the diary that we wrote about two years ago when that was published by caroline kennedy. this does reveal the a.m. bif lens, she was very close to this priest, wrote for 14 years. some people might want to know is it appropriate for letters written to a priest to be auctioned off but it seems back then in the '50s there was a family friendship. he was chosen by the family to be her chaperone. this was nost a confessional to the this priest. >> no, it seems that jackie met

this priest when i was traveling in europe. she had just finished studies at university in france and in 1950 decided to take a trip to ireland with her stepbrother. when she was in dublin, she contacted this priest that she had been given the name of. and they struck up this amazing relationship, the priest was 73. jackie was 21. but when you read the letters, they sound like friends in the same age group. it's quite extraordinary, the tone, the intimacy. she was absolutely relaxed talking to him about everything. when we think about ireland in 1950, that is quite remarkable, that ail priest would be so relaxed in that way. he was obviously a very special man. >> and she seems to have been very foond of him. >> indeed. finally after the assassination she wrote, i have to think there is a god or i have no hope of

finding jack again. god will have a bit of explaining to do to me if i ever see him. so poignant. thank you so much, michael parsons for joining us and sharing this extraordinary story. we really, really appreciate it. i know you're on deadline writing so much for the irish times. >> doing more in the ifrish tomorrow about jackie's relationship with ireland. >> we will indeed by eagerly reading what you've written. more still ahead on quts andrea i can't mitchell reports only on msnbc. [ male announcer ] this is kevin.

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