brought into this country. >> splitting at toms between oil that is almost identical is not producti productive. >> we have to make tough choices. >> pull out his pen and sign that. it's time to build it. >> it will destroy our economy. >> good to have you with us tonight, folks. thanks for watching. what is your definition of a trap? now, up north, there are people that make a living by trapping and a lot of folks are against that. they just don't think it's fair to the animals. but a trap, when you trap a bear there's no exit. when you trap that animal, there's no exit. so, a trap is pretty conclusive. a trap is there's no other way out. what is your definition of a political trap? would that be a politician, a

lawmaker, elected official, a representative who wants to be a public servant who makes a decision and there's no turning back? it is absolute once you make that decision. but we are into the trapping season right now when it comes to the keystone xl pipeline and the republicans are back at it again. they are trying to trap some democrats who have the facts but they, too, are somewhat in denial. you see this latest report, the national climate assessment, to me, is a total game changer. it is undeniable. rubio has done the keystone xl pipeline, probably the biggest favor any politician could do. there's no wiggle room. now, on monday, we saw the latest example of republican obstructionism in an attempt to trap others in the senate. this is all about the keystone xl pipeline, which they claim is going to just create so many

jobs. i will debate anyone, anywhere, anytime, in the media who wants to make the assessment that there will be massive jobs created because of the keystone xl pipeline. ask me to go on any show, any network, i have the facts and beyond. i have been on the ground and i know exactly how many jobs it's going to create and for how long, even the union jobs most of you don't like. now, the senate voted 55-36, you know, to kill a clean energy bill. it was bipartisan. the bipartisan bill that would have improved energy efficiency in buildings in america. you know how much energy we lose because we are not properly insulated? because we have old buildings and old technology and haven't upgraded things? we could save billions of dollars, create hundreds of thousands of jobs if we retrofit

buildings in america. that would cost money and republicans don't want to do that. the bill was expected to pass until republicans attempted to attach an amendment that would approve the keystone pipeline. louisiana senator, mary landrieu took to the senate floor. she was upset the keystone pipeline was not attached to the bill. >> it's a shame that all the hard work that has gone into this ended basically at a draw tonight. i thought it was important to pair it with the keystone pipeline because while there's strong support for the efficiency bill on the democratic side and significant support on the republican side, the republican leaders wanted to build and many of us, including myself, the keystone pipeline. >> that's true, because there are probably a lot of people in that part of the country that don't have all the facts and are

hired by the oil industry and that's a lot of votes. easy to figure out. marry landrieu and the republicans need to give up on the pipeline. it isn't going to happen. okay? the idea it will help our economy and create jobs is literally a pipe dream. everybody just throws out the bullet, it's a job creator. really? how many? how long? give me a number. only foreign countries would benefit from the xl pipeline, mostly the canadians and their megacompany, transcanada. i want to bring your attention to nanaimo daily news in british columbia. right now their program is in unquestionably deep financial trouble. not only in british columbia, but manitoba. they have a dam project that's

been stalled by the government. they don't have the money. this means 450,000 homes in the area could see their energy costs go through the roof unless they do something about it because somebody's got to pay for that hydro thing. in manitoba they are ridden with debt with the program and they are thinking of spending billions to put a pipeline down the west side of lake winnipeg. wait a minute, that's going to cost money, too. how are we going to balance this out? this is a canadian energy project. good for them. they want to get that oil out of the ground because they are tired of deficits. when it comes down to it, the facts are clear. this pipeline is great for canada, good for them. but it's risky for the united states. it is risky for our agriculture and it is unnecessary. we take all the risk and they get all the reward.

the cash on the barrel. now, look, it runs over farmland. we have done this story and we are going to keep doing it because the polls are slowly turning. i get calls on the talk show, well, ed, 60% of the people want to pipeline. really? not long ago, it was 70%. amazing when the information gets out there and people start finding out exactly what the risk is and how unnecessary it is. it's not going to create the jobs they are talking about. it's not going to be the energy security this country needs. no. no, no, no, this is a bad deal. it's a huge risk to our water supply. for canada, i don't know if i would go so far to call it a blank check, but let's say there's a lot of space left on that check. it's estimated that the pipeline would add $617.4 billion to canada's gross domestic product. now, if president obama could get -- wait a minute.

if the republicans could get something that would put $617 billion to the country's gdp, think they would be for it? oh, yeah. no wonder the canadian government is pushing so hard for the pipeline. this is back in february. we had canadian ambassador who is a class act, a great guy, i have great respect for him, but he's on the wrong side of the issue. he came on this program and made a hard push for the pipeline. what if the president says no to this? what does it do to diplomatic relations with canada? >> first of all, if the president says no, he's saying yes to higher greenhouse gases because the oil is coming down whether anybody likes it or not on rail. it does not require his presidential permit. so, the choice for john kerry and the president is do you want the oil coming through united states and through canada on

rail or do you want it on pipelines. lower costs, lower risk and lower ghgs on pipelines. other than that, it's not that complicated. >> aside from canada, the publicly traded transcanada would no doubt make big money on the pipeline. it's estimated they could make $2 billion a year in revenue from the pipeline. would you take that deal? it would be good news for shareholders and bad news for americans. there's another dynamic playing out here when it comes to hydro. the canadians sell hydro power to the united states. numerous states are purchasers. guess what? those states are using more and more natural gas, we are fracking the hell out of everything out of our own ground and buying less hydropower from the folks up north. now they need this pipeline. if president obama says yes to

this keystone xl pipeline, he may go down as one of the biggest disappointments for the progressive movement ever. he's done so many good things. but, there's so much information even as of late that would guide him on the correct path to the future, to make a statement collectively that, you know, we are going to put an end to this stuff. this is not a job creator. it's not a secure energy situation and it certainly hurts it climate. say no mr. president. you are going to hear a lot from "the ed show" on this because i want everybody in this country to keep thinking what the republicans are saying. but then listen to the facts. and that will guide you on this. get your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question, who would benefit more from the keystone pipeline, the united states or canada. a for the united states states b for canada to 67222. go to our blog and leave a

comment. we'll bring you the results later on in the show. for more, let me bring in jane club of bold, nebraska. she is here with us tonight in new york. jane, will the pipeline benefit canada more than the united states? i'm asking you to answer the text question first. >> there's no question. this is a canadian bail out. they need their oil to get to the export market. without the tar sands, they are not going to make as much money. that's why they need this pipeline so much. this is a massive pipeline. it is a 36-inch pipeline. it's not a small 12-inch pipeline we see in our communities. >> when you look at this pipeline and what it will do for canada, it's understandably so why they would push it so hard. energy security is the first right wing bullet point. will it provide energy security for america because it's in our

hemisphere? >> no. first of all, it's not our oil. a small percentage of american oil could get on. it's not a guarantee. then it goes straight to the export market t. refineries capable of handling tar sands are export. one is owned by saudi arabia. it gets under my skin when the republicans say it's an american pipeline. you are handing oil to a middle eastern refinery that is going to sell it on the export market. how does that make sense? >> are there elected officials in the midwest actually telling people their gas prices will go down if the pipeline is built? have you heard that? >> representative terry sent an e-mail saying their monthly energy bill would go down if it's built. that is outrageous. they tried to back pedal. when you tell somebody their monthly energy bill is going to go down, that means utility

bills. >> everybody buys a tank of gas. that's a monthly bill to a family. there's nowhere in this equation where people's energy prices would go down if the pipeline goes through the middle of the country. that's the question. will it be less energy to americans? if it's going on to the open market and speculated on wall street, what does that have to do with nebraska? >> they want to cut through the heartland. it's the easiest path for them. it's not good for america. it's good for canada's bottom line. >> where is the momentum on this? they are trying to do anything they can to get it done in the senate, they don't have the votes. >> no. >> what does that mean? >> it means it is politically dead in the senate. there's no way and it wasn't legally possible anyway, it was going to be a ceremonial vote. there's no way to get momentum out of the senate. >> does this embolden the president saying you can't get

it passed in the senate, why should i say yes? >> absolutely. >> it's backfired. it's given some democrats who have a hard time politically in their own backyard with an election coming up but embolden the president saying you can't pass it, why should i say yes? >> the president has a stiffer backbone and it gave him enough ammunition to make sure the pipeline is rejected. the democrats who say they support the pipeline, i want to tell them to read the book. get a backbone. stand on the facts. stand with farmers and ranchers. talk imminent domain. there's space to make sure they don't continue fooling americans on the pipeline. >> the senators on the democratic side, are they buying into the right wing bullet points? i have heard them talk about jobs. i mean aren't they buying into what the oil companies are saying? >> they might as well read out

of the transcanada books. they do fake meetings where they try to sell us. they are siing the thing they mislead folks on. >> the climate assessment that came out, i want to play a clip from marco rubio on sunday. here it is. >> how big a threat is climate change. >> i don't agree with the notion some are putting out there that somehow there are actions we can take today to have an impact on what's happening in our climate. our climate is always changing. >> you do not think human activity the production of co2 caused global warm sng. >> i don't believe it's causing the dramatic changes to the climate the way scientists are portraying it. i do not believe the laws they propose to pass will do anything about it. >> he says the climate has always been changing, it will destroy the economy and doesn't believe the scientists, over 300 of them that worked three years on this.

we should point out in the national climate assessment, there's a warning about the city of miami. that is the city that stands to lose the most, the earliest in all of this and here is a republican senator across the board in total denial. does that strengthen your argument? >> absolutely. senator rubio is denying sinsz. he's saying that the climate scientists who spend their entire career studying climate change, they are wrong. somehow his gop rhetoric is right. folks in florida should recognize, florida, that's where i was born. i'm protective of that state. there's a chance parts of florida will be under water if we don't stop creating these forms of fossil fuel. tar sand is the worst. >> is that in the state department report? >> it was. it's misleading when the republicans said they say it's fine and dandy, they gave

scenarios. >> i want to play this clip in exchange with litery. here it is. congressman, they cannot build this pipeline until this is cleared up by the nebraska state supreme court, correct? >> no. right now, it's under a stay. they can start building it right now other than they may have to go into eminent domain. >> what about that? >> he is wrong. there's no stay on the decision. they are trying to overturn the decision, the landowner victory. essentially, that said, transcanada has no legal route. not only do they not have a legal route in nebraska, terry was 100% wrong. they are going to lose their route in south dakota in june. out of three states they are going to be without two. >> so, we are about a month away from south dakota losing its permit. the time will run out and they will have to repermit it. will the repermitting process be

harder this time around? >> there's no question. you have tribal groups. >> it's going to rope in john thune. >> it is. >> i'm sure he's a yes vote on the pipeline. the dynamic changed. are landowners more attune to what's going on here? >> i think farmers and ranchers shifted the debate. i hope politicians in south dakota start listening to the constituents they put in their political ads. they have concerns to the risks to their livelihoods. >> the political trap didn't work. they couldn't get it out. you are doing great work. the more people that find out about this, the more attitudes are changing on it. >> yeah. >> what if president obama says yes? >> i mean not only will he be a disappointment to democrats and progressives like you and i, he'll be a disappointment to his girls. he openly talks about how much he talk toss his girls on climate change.

it's an issue he wanlts to tackle personally. i don't see how he would approve this risky project. >> thanks so much for joining us. answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. we want to know what you think. coming up, karl rove's attempt to knock hillary clinton's credibility. first, a rare look inside the antigovernment movement as bundy's message spreads to utah. stick around. i missed you, too.ou. hi buddy. mom! awesome! dad!! i missed you. ♪ oh... daddy.

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solve it. >> they identify the capture protest with the larger movement to defie federal authority. >> joining me is reporter for ksl television in salt lake city, utah, who was at this weekend's protest and covered it in recapture kenya. good to have you with us, richard. you were there, what were the people looking to accomplish with the atv protest? >> okay, you have two groups, ed. you have the people there to send a people to the b.o.m. that is road through recapture canyon belongs to the people of san juan county, the area where the canyon is. then you have people interested in that larger movement, the bundy group, the militia types that wanted to spread that anti-government message in totality as wide as possible. two different groups. some chose to break the law by

going through the prohibited parts of the canyon, some decided they would be legal and make their stand without doing the illegal thing. >> so these folks, bundy followers, bundy desooip ls, however you want to label them, they seem to be traveling to protest to protest to gain a movement and blame everything on the federal government. is that your assessment? >> they are looking for any opportunity to further bundy's message. clearly, they saw the opportunity in san juan county and they wanted to seize on it and they wanted to rally the local people to go with them. interestingly enough, the organizers saw all this coming and he knew how it would play in the media. that's why he backed off and told the people we are going to engage on the atv ride. i don't want you to go in that area because of these reasons. the wider message he was trying to get across would be overshadowed by the drama that would ensue if they did what the

bundy folks, if you will, were advocating. >> okay. the commissioner is phil lineman. he was taking part in this protest, but for maybe different motives than the bundy people were all about. so, they are obviously trying to capture the camera in the attention. what is their mission is? >> well, i think they are trying to gather support from the wider public. people who live in the populated areas up here in salt lake city, for example, you know, people in the city can't relate to the issues going on down there. they want wider support for the effort to reclaim the land, if you will. so, here's where they are coming from. recapture canyon is a beautiful place. there's tons of archaeological treasures there. i saw them myself. it's interesting and fascinating. the blm doesn't want motorized

vehicles going through there and people gaining access and stumbling through treasures. that's the idea. by the blm coming in and telling san juan county they can't have motorized vehicles there, it makes the county mad. they don't think they have jurisdiction on this land to begin with who has jurisdiction over the land is the wider point. the wider message is take the blm out of our land. we have the power to, you know, decide for ourselves what's best here. >> where does the navajo nation fit in all of this? they have major concerns about culturally sensitive lands, i understand. >> well, they are caught in this, too. they don't want their antiques destroyed either. they want voice, too.

individuals within the navajo nation have their own views, very strong views on this standpoint on this whole issue, but they don't want to really be too closely aligned with the bundy group, either. >> it looks to me like they are on the hunt for a confrontation. they were armed, were they not? and bandishing firearms in a sense. how would you characterize their behavior there? >> oh, yeah. well, i didn't see that ryan bundy or any members of his family who i interviewed when i was down there, i didn't see them armed with firearms. i did see members of the militia. they had ak-47s slung, riding atvs in the military fatigue and they don't want to talk to the media. those people are a different breed than the people that are from san juan county, who are there to make the stand about

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welcome back to "the ed show." the brains behind george w. bush making basis claims about hillary clinton's mental hel. karl rove said he was skeptical about her recovery after she fell in december, 2012. rove doubled down on his comments earlier today. >> i didn't say she has brain damage. she had a serious health episode. it will be an issue in the race whether she likes it or not. every candidate is asked for health records by "the new york times." they turn them over to vice president candidates. they turn them over to a battery of doctors and they examine them in detail. >> whether she likes it or not. have you heard hillary clinton, of late complain about the health coverage she's getting across the media front? no, it's you karl.

the former bush adviser used age and health against others in the past. here we go. he's going for a repeat performance against hillary clinton. >> look, she'll be 69 by the time the 2016 election. she'll be 77, if she serves two terms. this is an issue. i would remind you, john mccain, here is the headline from u.s. news and world report, mccain's age and past health problems could be an issue. >> his temper had something to do with that, too, karl. he's trying to create a smear campaign. this is an obvious and desperate attempt by the republican party to derail clinton and keep the focus on benghazi and certainly out there in the conversation. joining me tonight on a rapid response panel, john along with bob, democratic strategist and

columnist for the daily beast. great to have you with us tonight. john, you first. this is just the fish bowl the clinton's always had to swim in. there's a bunch of sharks out there always after him and ro rove -- >> the republicans told us to despice hillary clinton. they said she was a lesbian that had an affair with vince foster. she's okay, she's a conservative democratic senator. now the hillary hate machine is back. it's like drinking zima listening to faith no more and col lor me bad. they are trying to smear a woman for a blood clot? ronald reagan was 69. the average fox viewer age is 66. that's going to backfire on mr. rove. >> was she in the hospital for a month? >> no, he lied. she was hospitalized for four days. they are blaming her for what

terrorists did and blaming her for her husband's infidelity. they got nothing. even if she's 69, she will be younger than the 90-year-old herbert hoover ideas. >> bob your take on it. is there more to come? >> sure. look, first of all, he lied about the lie. it's a lie she has brain cancer. then he said he didn't say it when he did. what else do you expect from a guy who flogged the weapons of mass destruction and helped steal florida for bush. i think the republicans will consistently do this to hillary from benghazi, to boko haram, they are afraid of her. they want to deter her from running or damage her, if they can. she leads every national poll against any republican possibility. she leads jeb bush in the most recent poll by eight or ten

points in florida. i think this is going to have the opposite of their intended effect. i think it will strengthen her resolve, make it more likely she'll run. i believe she will run. i believe she will win and then the republicans can live for eight years with president hillary clinton. >> there's a stigma about mental health in america. i think this is a double down dirty dig by karl rove to say she has a -- it was reported she had a massive brain injury. >> right. >> he has no boundaries. >> i agree. >> he has no boundaries. >> we know that, we know, for example, he crassly exploited anti-gay prejudice in 2004 to turn out base republican votes. there are no boundaries. you are absolutery right about something else. this is outrageous because it's a smear against hillary clinton. it's also outrageous because there are lots of people struggling with brain cancer and

severe mental problems and this shouldn't be turned into a political football. they are more than willing to do it. they are happy to do it. >> john, your thoughts on this? >> bob is right. smearing hillary clinton is going to help them as much as mitt romney talking about self-deportati self-deportation. it's not going to help them. it shows they have nothing but their 90-year-old ideas. >> what is this? is this a political tag team wrestling match going on? last week, lynne cheney appeared on fox talking about the clinton strategy. here is what she said. >> i really wonder if this isn't an effort on the clinton's part to get that story out of the way. would vanity fair publish anything about monica lewinsky that hillary clinton didn't want in vanity fair? get it out of the way so it's old news. seems like a strategy or tactic.

>> a cheep shot every week? >> they are trying to save print. they will run anything with monica lewinsky. hillary clinton is dragging up the past so she can say they are dragging up the past. it doesn't make any sense. rand paul tried to use this against her. the article said when she took responsibility -- >> bob, you wrote an article earlier this week saying it's going to be a non-race for the 2016 democratic presidential nomination. can anything derail hillary clinton? >> well, i think, you know, obviously if she did have a health problem, which she doesn't, or if she made the decision not to run, which i think she won't. that could derail her. there's not going to be a serious sustained opposition. she leads by twice as much right now, at this point in the cycle as she did in 2007. she's 64%, 70% of democrats want

to nominate her. 40 to 50 points ahead of anybody else. i think she is going to be the nominee. i think that goes back to the point john was making. republicans are going to smear and smear and smear. i don't think it's going to work. but, i think they are going to do it because they don't have anything else. they didn't learn in the '90s, smearing bill clinton wouldn't work. so, i guess they are not going to learn this time, smearing her won't work. >> great to have you with us. thanks so much. coming up, rolling stone calls it a kentucky death match. we call it must see tv. stay tuned. ♪

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to colossal legislative mistake clear off the books. >> welcome back to "the ed show." this is the story for the folks who take a shower after work. haven't we just got a massive ar tooif of mitch mcconnell saying all kinds of bad stuff about obama care? mitch mcconnell has been banging the drum against obamacare since day one. as we get closer to the midterms, he might want to rethink his strategy. over 413 kentuckyians have enrolled through kynect which, of course, is the rebranded version of obamacare. in a new poll, democratic governor's approval rating is going through the roof. he's at 63% with the success of this health care effort. he was also the only southern governor who did not reject the obamacare medicaid expansion. instead, less than six months out of the election, the majority of kentuckyians disapprove of the job the

senator from kentucky is doing, mitch mcconnell. and the polls have his democratic challenger alison grimes trailing by just one percentage point. what's going on here in kentucky? i think it speaks to a much larger issue. back in november, you may recall i toured the call center with govern governor basheer. i saw people in red states realizing the benefits of blue policies. republicans have been against it all along and the numbers don't lie. people want health care and it could spem trouble for republicans like mcconnell come november. i mean, how many more people are going to get covered between now and november? how many more success stories are going to be out there? i think the worm is turning to the point where the republicans, hey, let's not talk about this health care anything anymore. joining me now is mark banel li, a contributing editor for "rolling stone" magazine. just back from kentucky. good to have you with us. mark, what did you find on the grown in kentucky?

>> really confirmed what you said. i sat down with governor bashear and he said he very quietly made the decision to take federal money and really build up the kynect website. they made it very simple and tested it so they dependent have any of the problems the federal website was having. the other really key thing they did was rebrand it. obamacare still polls very badly in the state, if you ask people about obamacare. but if you ask people about kynect -- he told a story about a guy who came up and said i just signed up for your health care site. i'm so glad you turned down that awful obama care. so the governor basically said, you know, whatever works. >> isn't that rather interesting. president obama connected to health care is rejected by people, but it's the same thing. i just find that really amazing. is that a product of the sell

job that mcconnell has been able to do? >> yeah. it's just a steady disinformation campaign. you can see the same thing with other issues like the so-called were on coal, you know? parts of kentucky, like appalachian where i spent a couple of days. it's usually very democratic. they're pushing this war on coal narrative that is making things very complicated for democrats in the state. >> is health care going to be a problem for mitch mcconnell? has it been so successful in ski ki that it's undeniable and it's going to be a political problem for him? >> it could around. you know, the funny thing is obama's popularity, according to a poll by one of the local papers is something like 34% in kentucky. mcconnell's is 32%. so he's not a loved man. >> is grimes being helped by this health care success? >> i think so, yeah. she's being helped in general by

the fact that she's not mitch mcconnell. everything about her is just sort of very stark contrast to mcconnell. >> do you think that what's happening in kentucky speaks to a larger issue for the republican party? i mean, how can it be so different. i mean, if they're having success in other states, similar to what kentucky is experiencing. >> the problem, i guess, would be in southern states they've actually rejected the medicaid expansion, so some of those states don't have the same success stories to prove it, but i think you're completely right. once the narrative gets out there, you know, people -- it will be hard to deny. >> does the dovr nor attribute his success rate, does he connect it to kynect and the health care bill? >> he does, not exclusively, but yeah, he points to that as a big success. >> do the people like it? do the people of kentucky like it? >> that's the sense i get. 1 out of 12 kentuckyians signed up by the time the first

enrollment period ended, which is pretty huge. yeah, you know, it's working. >> that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton begins right now. tonight's lead is a roll down dirty shame. we're more than two years away from the next presidential election. but karl rove is already digging into his bag of dirty tricks. the new york post says that loolast week, rove suggested that r hillary clinton may have brain damage from when she fell, suffered a concussion and developed a blood clot in december 2012. reportedly saying, quote, 30 days in the hospital and when she reappears she's wearing glasses that are only for people who have