concussion, and now they say she's auditioning for a part on the walking dead. i'm still waiting for her to admit there's still nothing to whitewater. >> the problem is, he's living in the stone ages. what has magic johnson really done. >> i've got 150 kids on scholarships right now. developing news out of turkey right now, rescuers are racing to pull survivors out of a mine after an explosion yesterday. more than 230 people are dead. i do believe that karl rove was totally wrong. >> the "new york post" headline that claimed he openly questioned whether the former first lady may have brain damage. >> nothing drives decent people away from running for office more than this kind of attack. why would i put my family through this. karl rove better be careful what he's talking about, because karl rove saying somebody else has brain damage, take a look at this, and then we'll take a look at it.

explainer in chief is doing some serious explaining about recent attacks on his wife, a day after karl rove, washington's favorite medical expert, saying hillary clinton is brain damaged. bill clinton had other ideas about whose heads needed checking. >> i've got to give him credit. you know, that embodies that old saying that consistency is the hob gob blin of little minds. first they say she faked her concussion, and now they say she's auditioning for a part on the walking dead. if it is, you can't be too upset about it. it's just the beginning. they'll get better and better at it. i mean, you know, it's -- i'm still waiting for her to admit there was nothing to whitewater. >> classic clinton. former president also had choice

thoughts about the republican party's opinion of the benghazi attack. >> hillary did what she should have done, em paneled a high review committee with the joint chiefs of staff. they looked into what was wrong. they gave 29 recommendations. she took them and started em me meanting them. and they established the fact that whether it was right or wrong in the past, secretaries of state were never involved directly in these security decisions. most americans don't even know how many diplomats were killed. >> he focused on income and equality brought on by gop policies. facing off against other big speaker, chris christie, and foreshadowing a big clash on the economy heading into the next

election cycle. steve is joining me here today, and mike acosta. thank you for being here. >> i think bill clinton sort of in his element there. it's something he's used to doing. he spent all of the 1990s doing this. the interesting thing to me is you could sort of separate the clintons' presence, both bill and hillary, into three distinct phases. it ran basically all the way through 2007 when everyone figured hillary clinton will win the 2008 nomination, there will be a clinton restoration. for all that time, they were the enemy in chief to basically the conservative movement of the republican party. there were daily attacks. motives constantly questioned. it stopped, though. the minute that barack obama, the second phase -- the minute barack obama beat out hillary clinton for the nomination, the circuit movement changed its

view of the clintons dramatically. they sort of became the good democrats. the good democrats to compare the bad democrat barack obama against. the clintons are coming off five or six years of treatment from the opposition, that they never experienced before. it's no coincidence in this time, their numbers have both skyrocketed, and now they're entering this third phase back to being the number one target again. they're getting a reminder of what it used to be like. >> in tells of economic policy, which i want to get to, we're seeing populous fury. the clintons are viewed as something a little bit in a different vein, supportive of wall street. bill clinton's policies were not about beating back the banks, basically. robert, members of karl rove's party seem to agree with his critics, that maybe his comments just went too far, when he talked about her health. take a listen to newt gingrich, for instance. >> this was not clever. it wasn't an insinuation.

this was karl rove running head-long into a brick wall. nothing drives away people from running for office than this kind of attack. they say, why would i put my family through this. it weakens the fabric of both parties. it weakens the fabric of democracy. >> do you think with all of the stigma, now attached to the charges that he made, he's just taking age off of the table? >> perhaps. i think speaker gingrich's comments reflect the thinking throughout much of the republican establishment, there's a sense if hillary clinton is going to be the democratic front-runner in 2016, republicans have to find a way to not personalize the campaign, to not make it about her health, in any distinct way, or her handling of the attacks in libya. i think that's where a lot of republican leaders are thinking they don't want to get dragged into the persona of the 1990s. >> is there a sense in which age is at all a valid issue to raise? the "washington post" just

wrote, if clinton decides to run in 2016, her age and health are certain to be talked about given she would be vying to become the second oldest person in history to be elected. steve, if karl rove hadn't made these comments, do you think there might be valid inquiries about age? >> there are other contexts that age i've sure will be introduced. and probably judging how things played out of hillary so far, it will sometimes be a fair and legitimate avenue. sure, it's legitimate in that you don't have to think too hard to remember the attacks on john mccain in 2008. he was 72 years old. he was a constant source of late night humor for being too old. i remember bob dole, in 1996, unfortunately he played the type, he talked about the brooklyn dodgers. he's 73 years old. ronald reagan running for reelection in 1984, had the

debate with walter mondale where he blanked out on national tv. it became a major issue for a couple of weeks. >> you talk about all men. there is a little bit of undercurrent of sexism. nobody's talking about joe biden's age. >> well, i am. >> you are. i talk about it. >> so, chris christie headlined this event. he just spoke about bridgegate, saying there was no suggestion he knew about it. take a listen to that. >> we don't have that just yet. we'll come back to that. he's been talking about bridgegate. in the meantime, though, as i said, the focus was the economy. robert, often when clinton comes up, it's in the context of warm, fuzzy memories of his track record. do you think there's a de sent chance that that rubs off on hillary clinton in a good way? >> perhaps. we saw during the 2007, 2008 democratic primary. hillary clinton was able to connect with her husband's third way, the new democratic message of the early 1990s, in places

like the philadelphia suburbs, the suburbs of ohio. she resonated. she did well. i think even though right now she seems to be moving a little bit to the left to connect with the new progressive wing of the party, she still is a clinton democrat. and i think that's how she's going to try to run, maybe win a broader array of voters in 2016. >> obviously chris christie, a big set of economic challenges he's facing in new jersey right now, that's something he's fielding questions about across the board. just last night, moody's downgraded the new jersey state debt, that comes two weeks after his administration disclosed an $807 million shortfall in the state budget. do you think all of this will affect his 2016 prospects? >> elgts's almost in a way when you look at all of the headlines from the bridgegate and all the other allegations surrounding that, this is almost like a nice break for him. >> he would rather talk economics. >> but sure, this is a serious fiscal story, obviously, because this is the third downgrade

they've had from a rating agency in the last month. this sort of surprise shortfall. this is not the first time it's come time to put the budget together and they're saying, the budget is not where we thought it would be a year ago. >> that's not necessarily the chris christie administration's fault. >> one of the reasons for the downgrade is revenues weren't where they were projecting. you can say one of chris christie's first acts of governor was to do away with the millionaire's tax in new jersey. a major source of revenue for the state. chris christie did away with that. that would be more revenue new jersey might have right now if he hadn't done that. but his people said this gets down to pension costs, public pension system, which has been mismanaged of the programs. the focus from the christie people is going to be, we need to do something along those lines again. i think what you're hearing from the rating agencies is, he

should have acted on revenues. >> there's two sort of problems here. as you mentioned, he's sort of dodging and weaving on bridgegate charges still. take a listen to his conversation about that today. >> i told them i had nogs to do with it. now you've had all kinds of people looking at this for nearly four and a half months now, and there hasn't been one suggestion that i knew anything about it. >> is he going to be able to pivot away from this? >> look, he can frame it that way. it's true the state legislative committee is looking into this. i don't think there was anything particularly explosive in these two high profile hearings the past two weeks. i think it suggests that when it comes to the matter of the bridge closings, there very well may have been willful ignorance on christie's part in november and december knowing something was afoot, that something was amiss there. but also knowing if he kind of keeps the story from exploding, when the legislative session expired in january, the subpoena power would go away.

i think you could piece together plausibly he was trying to run the clock through january. there's a whole other issue involving david samson, and the hoboken mayor's allegations. the u.s. attorney, as far as we know, is looking into all that, too. it's out of his control when it comes to that. >> if he wants to pivot to the economy, that's not necessarily a place of refuge right now with the firestorm in new jersey over that. >> right. >> robert, last word from you. is the economy going to be a major talking point for gop candidates in the way it was the last time around? given all the promising signs of growth in the recent jobs report, in the shrinking deficit? >> certainly, we see a lot of republicans on the trail right now grapplie ining with income inequality. i think it's going to bug them until the november elections. >> all right. thank you so much. steve and robert, pleasure to have you on. >> sure. later in the program, zombies. well, not on the show. but we're going to talk about them. hey. i'm ted and this is rudy.

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today, the pentagon is at an unprecedented transformation. of policy. defense secretary chuck hagel approved a request to evaluate chelgsy manning for gender dysphoria. and considering a request to transfer manning to a civilian prison. what is gender dysphoria? basically it's a diagnosis for people whose gender at birth is contrary to the one they identify with. chelsea manning, formerly known as bradley, is a transgender military inmate sentenced to 35 years in prison for sending those classified documents to wikileaks. her request to have hormone therapy while in military prison is a first of its kind.

while no decision has been made, it's creating a dilemma for the defense department. how to treat a soldier for a diagnosed disorder without violating long-standing military policy. transgender men and women aren't allowed to serve in the u.s. military. secretary hagel says those guidelines need a second look. >> i'm open to those assessments, because, again, i look back to the bottom line, every qualified american who wants to serve our country should have an opportunity. if they fit the qualifications, and can do it. >> the recent report estimates more than 15,000 transgender men and women are serving in the military and national guard right now. joining me now is a former one of those numbers. he was recently discharged because of the ban on the transgenders in the military. landon, thank you so much for joining me.

>> thank you for having me. >> you were in afghanistan living in a male barracks, wearing a male uniform. tell me the moment that this changed for you. >> i was actually up for promotion. my leadership in hawaii had to contact my leadership in afghanistan, and they used a female pronoun on me, and they started looking at it to me from then on. they only saw me as completely male. >> in your files you were born a woman, but you were living a life as a man. and then this blew the lid on that. describe what that moment was like. how did people take that? >> it was a little strange, because as soon as they found out, it was a very quick process. they pulled me completely off my mission. welcome back hours they had me back in the united states. there was nobody to fill my position to do my job because nobody was trained. at the same time they were almost apologetic, because they knew it was just a policy. they had just a word that changed everything. >> do you think the military is coming around to thinking of this as more just a practical

issue? we need the best possible people serving our country regardless of their gender identification? >> i would like to think so. we're trained to be the best at what we do. with chuck hagel's statement, this past weekend, it shows that if you can do the job, then you should be able to do it regardless of how you identify or how you're labeled. >> as complicated as the national conversation is, it's still more complicated in the military context. there was a recent report that cited an air force consulting physician that said the biological needs are affected by transgender gender shifts, and there are problems maybe with holding to the same physical standards, individuals who have changed gender, and individuals who were born in a certain gender. what do you say to those charges? >> if you look at the dod, they're held to the same standards. and they have no issues in serving, or doing their job just because they're transgender. there's definitely a juxtaposition that can be had. there's at least ten other

countries that figured out the standards and medical standards. america continues to be the odd man out here. >> you never asked for special treatment. >> absolutely. the transgender community is not looking to be the exception. we're just looking to be accepted. >> landon, there's recent research that i was fascinated to see this, finds that transgender individuals are overrepresented in the military. because many male/female transgender individuals trying to merge their feminine side, this was a san francisco state university study that concluded this, while many female-to-male transgenders wanted to be in the more hyper masculine environment. >> i can't speak for everybody else, but it holds true. they put emphasis on strength and masculinity. i could blend in better. >> fiona, obviously he was at the peak of his career, landon was, serving our country effectively. he was also a costly investment.

apparently this half a million dollars in training to get you to where you were. is the military losing a significant amount of money in dismissing these individuals? >> i personally believe so, yes. we are investing so much in people who are perfectly capable of serving. their stories really need to be told. landon is just a classic example of this. we've been following his story for many months last year and actually filmed him before he was deployed in afghanistan. he at that time had no idea what was going to happen. to see this waste of talent is just wrong. >> how are you working to change this issue? >> we're really trying to find a platform, we're creating a platform for transgender service members' stories to be told. more than 15,000 people identify as transgender and are actively searching. there are 13 countries worldwide, in fact, the united kingdom, where i grew up, but i have to tell you i am now a proud american citizen, but the united kingdom has been allowing transgender since 1999.

>> no problematic incidents? >> no. just as you would do any individual, transgender or nontransgender, everybody has some kind of medical need at some point. >> no reason to bar people from -- >> exactly. other countries have found a way. >> landon, last word to you. another news items, facebook is offering 51 new gender options, as a range of things from androgynous to bigender. is that a helpful move to more acceptance or does it muddy the waters too much? >> i think the general public is accepting things. a couple years ago, there would have been no way people would have accepted, or felt there was a need for these options. now they are. they're widely accepted. >> a fast-changing conversation. we'll be following your stand in this closely. thank you so much. next up on the program, are you prepared for the zombie apocalypse? don't worry, the pentagon is. seriously, the pentagon is. we'll explain, next. [ brian ] in a race,

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over there? >> everything is all right here. the pentagon is impenetrable. in fact, it would be impossible for zombies to actual ly -- wai a minute -- >> jim, keep your frame safe. >> oh, wow. i don't know what the deal there was, ronan, but it's called com plan 883811. it's called control zombie dominance and survival plan. crisis action plan, to eradicate the zombie threat, and protect humankind. this plan was actually drawn up by the military strategic command. and it runs through several zombie scenarios that could threaten the political and economic stability in the united states. and as you said, it lists various types of zombies, including veggie zombies, space zombies, and, you know, it ominously warns -- and this is the most ominous part, the

zombies -- and this is a quote -- zombies are undead, so they feel no pain or fear of death, rendering riot control measures totally ineffective. >> they really thought about this. >> yeah. and what this is, actually, it's an actual training plan. and they use the zombie scenario to spice it up a little bit. >> that's classic. >> and make it so ridiculous that nobody could believe it's real. but if you read through it step by step by step, it is an actual training plan in how to respond to various threats, and scenarios, that could pose a threat to the united states. ronan. >> jim, this document was drawn up under bob gates' leadership. is secretary hagel doing enough on zombie preparedness? >> well, we haven't heard of him speak of it yet, but i can guarantee the next time he appears at the podium, we'll ask him. but there is one thing that makes it clear this is not real. because this plan doesn't in any way consider the strategic and

tactical implications regarding the differences between american and british zombies. >> very important distinction. we hope to see more progress on that. >> what is that difference? >> the accent. >> british zombies can run. >> that's true. >> i've got to go! >> jim, watch out for your brains! we hope not the late jim at the pentagon. as we do every week, we've been asking you to tell us what story you think is underreported. the feature we call rfd under. too big to jail. so few convictions in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crash. do we draw the line on nasty tweets? i have plenty of them. and the new secret prison being planned for guantanamo bay. vote on your favorite on our website. we'll report out the story and bring it to you later. first, up next, the doctor will not see you right now. why is it the greatest military

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up to 21 months and were allegedly as many as 40 veterans died while waiting. that number includes thomas breen, who died of cancer last november. his family claims he sought treatment, but died before he ever saw a doctor. >> all the people that are a part of this, they should be held accountable, because it's a crime. you know, delayed care is denied care. and it's just not fair. >> shinseki will be fighting mounting calls that he resign. all in all, enough to make you sick. joining me, senator bernie sanders, chairman of that senate va committee. thank you for being here. you personally called on shinseki to testify. what do you want to hear from him? >> i want to hear from him tomorrow about his assessment of the problems within va health care, and the strengths in va health care. after the allegations were made in phoenix, and by the way, they

are allegations, there were some initial media reports that said 40 veterans died because they were on a waiting list. well, folks are backing off of that a little bit, and now want to see an independent investigation, which is taken by -- we don't know how many veterans died. that's what we have to investigate. the second point that i would make is that there is no question but there are serious problems within va health care. but there are serious problems within health care in america in general. >> right. >> and thirdly, ronan, this is an important point, generally speaking, the va health care system gets pretty high marks from veterans and from the veterans' organizations. patient satisfaction is in general as good, or close to as good as other health care systems. the size of the va is unbelievably large. 6.5 million veterans a year access va health care. today, 200,000 veterans are

walking into va facilities. if 95% of those people thought va health care were excellent, and 5% did not, and that would be for the va very, very good, there would be 10,000 people unsatisfied with va health care. so you also have to look at the size and understand this happens in health care all over the place. >> but this isn't just dissatisfaction, this is perhaps 40 people dying. clearly something needs to change. >> no, no, ronan, ronan, have you done an independent investigation? >> this is an unverified charge, this is true. let's talk about the quality of the investigation. >> one second. this is an important point. it's called rush to judgment. there is now an independent investigation by people and doctors who know how to do these things. so before we say that 40 people died, i think we should wait. i would hope that you would agree with me on that. >> this is an interesting point because your counterpart on the house side jeff miller said we shouldn't wait. he's already calling on the white house to demand a bipartisan panel on this, to

investigate further beyond what has happened now. he's accusing the va of stone walling. >> look, i do know -- >> do you think this issue is being politicized by him? >> one thing at a time. first of all, there has to be an investigation. we have to get the facts about phoenix, or anyplace else. maybe people did die. maybe that's absolutely true. maybe the doctor who made that assertion is 100% correct. but maybe he's not. and i would hope that you and other media would agree that before we make assertions, we have to do independent investigations. >> certainly before you make assertions. but do you think that your committee is being hard on this enough relative to what the house committee is trying to do? do you think there should be that kind of bipartisan investigation performed? >> i think right now we have the people who are trained to do it. the inspector general, that's what their job is. they are in phoenix right now. they are working on this issue right now. and they will come back to us. and what i have said, and

repeat, is that as soon as they come back with their results, we are going to do hearings, and we are going to get to the root of the problem. no veteran in america should die for inadequate care. none. we have got to make the va the best system it can possibly be. >> senator, what do you think of the house committee's approach on this? do you think they're exploiting it for political gain, or do you think it's appropriate they're taking that more aggressive tact? >> it's not a question of being more aggressive, the question is, we need facts. jeff miller is a good guy. he is a serious guy. i think we are all in agreement, that before you jump to conclusions, you have to have the facts. what worries me a little bit, and this is not chairman miller, who is a serious person, is you understand the political nature of what goes on here in washington right now. very, very politicized. and you've got folks who want to repeal the affordable care act. they want to end medicare as we

know it. they voted to make massive cuts in medicaid. it's very easy to attack government programs like the va. and there is no question, let me be very clear, in my view, va has some serious problems that we have to address. waiting lines in some parts of this country may be in fact much too long. there may not be enough physicians and nurses where we need them. i do not understand, quite frankly, and we have to get out there. what is the scheduling patterns, why are we having so many issues with scheduling, is there a serious problem. there may well be. let's get to the root of that. but what i don't want to do here is throw the baby out with the bath water. in general, what most veterans will tell you, is va health care is good health care. >> if you don't get the answers you're looking for from shinseki tomorrow, are you open to subpoenaing the documents from the house committee? >> if we don't get information, of course, we're prepared to look at anything to get to the truth of the matter. >> all right. thank you so much, sir.

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employees are already highly paid, they can make $16 and $22 an hour. but the actual median hourly wage for servers, according to the government, $8.94 an hour. a little over $18,500 a year. barely enough to make ends meet. in this fight has gone political. ohio senator rob portman, what did he have to say about this? >> i strongly support programs that create jobs. i don't support raising the minimum to $10.10 an hour because it will create fewer jobs. the problem with raising the minimum wage too fast and too high, it will result in too fewer jobs. >> is raising the minimum wage a job killer? former chief economic adviser to vice president joe biden. thank you for joining me, sir. governor chris christie and former president bill clinton talked about the minimum wage today. listen to their opposing views

on this. >> i think good policy is creating jobs in this country, and not hurting the job market. and i believe that making those type of extreme moves in one feld swoop is not good for the economy. i think the republican party should stand for what's good for creating jobs. >> i personally have never experienced any aggregate adverse economic impacts from raising the minimum wage. when we did it, it didn't cause any problems. i think you could raise it too much and it might, but we're not in that range now. >> who's right, does raising the minimum wage hurt job growth? >> president clinton is right in that round. interestingly, new jersey has a higher minimum wage than the rest of the nation. it has long done so. and some very path-breaking studies on this question, ronan, took place, actually comparing new jersey to neighboring pennsylvania. well over a decade ago, some researchers found that that was a natural experiment. and if the rob portman or chris

christie view were correct, then of course you'd expect to see job loss in the state that raised their minimum wage relative to similar establishments right across the border. you did not see that. it is really an outdated view the republicans hold. but not to say, as bill clinton said, that no one will lose hours on an increase. the number of beneficiaries far outpaces any am of the costs on that side. >> that may be why we're seeing more and more republicans in favor of this. mitt romney came out and said he's in favor of raising the minimum wage. what do democrats need to do to compromise on making this a reality? >> i think they're just going to have to really continue to hammer this historically, when we've had federal minimum wage increases, that were compromised, that has been part of the picture, that often means that the other side has to get something, too. and let the horse trading begin.

that is the way these things happen. but as long as republicans are putting a firm line in the stand around no, you can't compromise. >> what argument should politicians make to restaurant owners and other businesses on this? >> the states that have done this have done fine, and while it is the case that employers are supposed to top off that tip minimum wage, if the tips don't get you to the minimum, we know that doesn't happen enough. this helps in that regard as well. >> all right. thank you so much, jared bernstein, appreciate it. we are showing support for low wage workers, calling for a living wage. we want you to weigh in on twitter and facebook using the #fast food global. food workers protesting tomorrow for a minimum wage. up next, he may be magic, but can he pull off the magic trick of pulling the foot out of donald sterling's mouth. stay with us. i'm the proud dad of three beautiful, awesome, messy kids.

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we're back. do you believe in magic? we do, especially after the former that delightful donald sterling rant against him. magic? >> the problem is, he's living in the stone ages. he can't make those comments about african-americans and latinos. you just can't do it. when i saw that interview, it was sad. it really is. i'm going to pray for this young man. i hope donald can see the mistake that he has made and also the people he have hurt along the way. what's really sad, you know, it's not about me. >> pray for this young man. remember, it was a photo on the instagrams of magic johnson and the silly rabbit v. stiviano. since then, sterling has continued the class act. accused johnson of stealing his team and offered choice observations about his health.

>> he acts so holy. he made love to every girl in every city in america and he had aids. when he had those aids, i went to my synagogue and i prayed for him. >> those aids. never mind that johnson has hiv and has -- what does johnson have to say about that? >> you would think he would be educated, a man smart enough to build this type of wealth and own a team and have an incredible platform to change the world. but he's doing it in a negative way. >> bigger man, being the bigger man. joining me, drew mcgarry, columnist for gq and former nba player eaton thomas. appreciate you being here. >> magic johnson 1, sterling 0 at this point. >> magic 100.

sterling negative 12. >> i'm shocked your love affair with donald sterling finally ended, drew mcgarry? >> how long were his views self-justified throughout his life. it's only now that he's had to pay the piper for his views and for the institutional racism that he's deployed. what happens when it goes unchecked for that long is that it warps and it twists and it's double racism. it's triple racism. you can be 80 years old and if you've gotten away with it owe far and you're a billionaire and the ends always justified the means for you, you turn into an old freak who is like, hey, those aids and you know -- >> america's nasty racist gold uncle. when you pull back the curtain, it's ugly. what's his obsession with magic johnson? >> magic handled it with class. that was the worst apology i've

heard in my life. >> it wasn't good. >> that's the reason she's trying to separate herself from him. she doesn't want any part of him. like she hired olivia polk to change her image. >> it's like she likes -- she wants everybody to look at her like she's alicia flore he can from the good wife or something. >> i'm rolling with it. for everybody to rally around her and women's groups to support her because she's had to deal with this evil discriminating pig of a husband for all this time. really, you were a evil, racist discriminating team. we know this. every time he opens his mouth, she makes things worse. she doesn't want any part of it. >> is there any validity of his record on aids? >> no. because i think -- >> if you could call it that. let be real. >> magic had the rebuttal. when he disclosed it, it was during a time when people did not do that publicly. when it was still a big -- he

did it in professional sports, which was one of the most unforgiving, homophobic, unrelentingly close-minded industries in the universe. so for magic to have done that was remarkably brave back in '93. he's giving himself credit for it. but he ought to. it took a lot for him to do that and for sterling to wipe that away saying he deserved it because he was so promiscuous. >> that's not reality. >> pretty awful. >> what do you say about magic johnson's legacy in general? is there any truth to the charge he shouldn't be a role model? >> his legacy speaks for himself. he doesn't need anybody to defend him. his works or what you can really look at or show. it negates everything donald sterling says. his interview, it had me for a quick second, for a quick minute. he seemed kind of remorseful. he told the story about his little granddaughter and she's in catholic school and giving

candy to everybody and they said no candy to you. we don't give candy to racist. not the baby. he kept talking and it got worse and worse. >> everything went downhill. he's a p.r. nightmare. i can picture the publicists and everything that went over anything. no, that's not what we worked on or went over. why are you saying that. >> even olivia pope could not save this man now. magic talked about the substantive things he's trying to keep the team. we don't have the sound here. he's been threatening legal action. he wants to hold on to this team. there are reports that players are revolting, lebron james is threatening not to play if sterling has any ownership. do you think players can force his hand, drew? >> i think it's a nice gesture on their part. i don't think ultimately they'll -- i think when push came to shove and lebron would be forced to not take the court, i think it would be a much harder decision for him. it's easy enough to say and hard to do.

it will be hard to begrudge the nba when they're trying to do this but legally it's really difficult to extract it. not just sterling's hands but the family trust that owns the clippers. not just sterling. it's shelly and what other horrible sterlings happen to be out there. >> we'll clearly bring you on as legal experts. we want you both back. >> oh, yeah. i have a law degree. >> drew ma gary, etan thomas. always a pleasure. that wraps things up for this edition of rfd. my colleague is up next. it's time for entrepreneurs of the week. joe and mary own four independent jewelry stores on monterrey, california's fisherman's wharf. they never took time out to plan for retirement. we came in and gave them a your business, small business makeover to help them turn it into a nest egg. for more, watch your business on

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had said those things. >> big magic johnson, what does he got? he's got aids. >> the problem is, he's living in the stone ages. >> i'm not a racist and i've never been a racist, i'll never be a racist. >> i can't let anybody attack our people and not respond. >> lebron and i talked about it. he ain't playing if sterling is still an owner. >> not only is magic johnson responding, there's now talk of a potential boycott by nba players. plus, clarifying or backtracking? rand paul seems to step away from what he said earlier in the week that republicans should stop pushing voter i.d. laws. but we start with the l.a. clippers and donald sterling and april possible league-wide player boycott of the next nba season. that's the threat coming from players and their union if donald sterling isn't quickly removed as the owner of the clippers. one of the top representatives of the nba's players association is expected to say as much tonight on show thyme.