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never forget. >> mad as hell, that is a direct quote from eric shinseki testifying on capitol hill in a hearing still going on right now. the allegation, that veterans died while waiting for care at va hospitals. others faced massive wait times, up to 20 days in some cases. secretary shinseki -- >> any allegation -- any adverse incident like this makes me as -- makes me mad as hell. i could use stronger language but in deference to the committee i won't. if any of the allegations are true, they are completely unacceptable to me, to veterans, and i will tell you the vast mat jort of dedicated vha employees who come to work to do their

best by those veterans. >> eric shinseki, not having the best day ever. the committee's chair bernie sanders drilled down on a phoenix hospital where 40 died seeking care and whistleblower reported that records were doctored to cover up delays. >> based on what you know are people quote/unquote cooking the books? is that a problem within the health care system? >> i'm not aware and other than a number of isolated cases. >> joining me now from washington is nbc news capitol hill correspondent luke russert following today's hearing. luke, what stood out most about the secretary's testimony? ? >> what stood out most to me is we expect the a contentious hearing and while there were a lot of difficult questions, it was a rather solemn hearing with not the usual fireworks we come

to expect which sometimes turn into side shows. tfgs interesting that general shinseki refused to get specific about what types of changes the va will make after this bombshell of a report that came out regarding those 40 deaths that potentially could have been avoided. he said he would not get into specifics because still awaiting an inspector generaler's report about the va and in terms of moving the story forward, what you saw from shinseki was i'm mad, i'm upset and i acknowledge there's issues but i'm not going to get specific about what i'm going to do to change it and he would not say whether or not he's going to fire those directly involved he did not want to get out ahead of the process. that upset folks calling for his resignation. >> unlike on the house side where there's a huge storm brewing, here on senate side, senator sanders seems supportive of letting the process go forward, that's something he stressed including on this show and illustrated today. he was asked why he's not

resigning. take a look at that exchange. >> do you believe that you're ultimately responsible for all of this? >> i am. >> would you explain after knowing all of this information, why you should not resign? >> i'll tell you, senator, that i came here to make things better for veterans. i intend to continue this mission until i've satisfied either that goal or i'm told by the commander in chief that my time has been served. >> luke, does this hearing today fuel or stall those calls for resignati resignation? >> it's an interesting question. i was taken aback by shinseki going to that word mission. he repeated it over and over again saying i want to stay here to finish the mission and complete the mission and the problem though is that a lot of folks feel he's not able to fully complete that mission, up to the task. i think today though, what you

saw was him basically saying give me more time and let the inspector general's report play out. that being said, this is just the tip of the iceberg and more comes out, these calls will become louder. they realize this is becoming a political problem that's why president obama dispatched rob neighbors to work directly with general shinseki and oversee this process. they want this to be all of it. it will be interesting to see. as of today shinseki should be okay because democrats on the committee still seem to believe he deserves the right to finish the job. >> we'll see if he gets that chance. thank you. >> take care, be well. >> among the 40 who died allegedly because they were waiting for doctor's care at that phoenix hospital, a man named thomas breen, who lost his battle with bladder cancer last november. his family says he sought treatment but died before getting an appointment. sally barnes breen joins me from arizona. thank you for joining me.

tell me about your family's story. >> well, pop served in the navy and he served for four years and he sweared by the va because in brooklyn that's where he was taken care of he had bladder cancer that was taken care of and doing pretty well. he had a prosthetic leg, one leg removed and one had stents. he honored the va hospital down in brooklyn, wouldn't go nowhere else. we had to bring him here because my husband's brother died. and when we brought him here on september 28th, he had suffered -- he was bleeding through the urine and he was having a hard time getting up. so we called to go to banner health, no, i want to go to the va. i brought him there, me and my husband teddy. we brought a gallon jug with us,

sister i'llized if he had to go to the bathroom he wouldn't have to struggle, we would take him in the men's room and he would pass the urine without getting up. the wait was very, very extremely long. he had frequent urination because that's the problem we were having with him. and the jug filled up with pure red blood. the time they call him, i still had the jug in our hand, to identify with the doctors what we have in our hand and what was happening to thomas breen. when they took his chief complaint, we stated his past history, we were very concerned. we stated it very clearly that he had bladder cancer, that we believe there's something wrong. they stated, i quote, this isn't

sanitary, throw it away. >> and he did not get an appointment after that? >> no, he did not. they discharged him with a primary card stating they'll call me within a week. >> how long between then and your father-in-law's passing was it? >> when they called back? december 6th when he died. >> i'm sorry for your loss. >> thank you. >> do you think secretary shinseki should resign? >> i think the whole administrative that was involved with this and shinseki who is trying to buy time because he is lying because we are the proof, i believe besides getting fired that they should have criminal charges put against them and they should be accountable for their actions of the lost souls that they delayed care. that's nearly treating them like

an animal and not to the highest quality of care. and shinseki, i formally complained to the veterans affair and they were aware of what happened to pop and shinseki is the secretary, yes, correct? >> correct. >> he then denied he opens up the case then march 26th, before i was on the front page and on the news station on april 10th, he e-mailed me a forwarding letter that stated he closed the case, not knowing that i aired out a week, two weeks later. so he is lying. he's covering up. it's facts and proof. it should be taken care of now not team because my pop is dead, this given moment, that should

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$15 an hour to cover basic living costs, not a lot but a lot more than the national minimum wage of $7.25. mcdonald's has 1.8 million employees and 118 countries. the company put out this statement on the minimum wage, at mcdonald's we offer part-time and full-time employment and benefits and dpet tif competitive pay based on local marketplaces and job level. who are the workers hanging in the balance? ka hun and jessica davis from chicago's protest. i appreciate your being here. jessica, you work at mcdonald's corporate, this isn't about franchisees, you work for $8.98 an hour. how do you support two kids on that pay? >> trying to support two children on 8.98 is very hard. sometimes i don't know how i make ends meet at the end of the

month. i get a lot of government assistance, but i don't want to stay on government assistance. i feel like $15 in the union would help me take care of my family to buy the basic needs. >> and jameer, you've been at mcdonald's for the past several years, how would you pay for your lifestyle differently? what would it change in your day to day activities if you had $15 an hour rather than what you're making now? >> well, ronan, it would change a lot of things. it would change the fact that we were able to eat without asking for money from parents, family and friends or looking for any kind of handouts whatsoever. it would cause us to be a little bit more independent in our daily lives. >> and jessica, you're there and work at corporate mcdonald's headquarters. what would you say so the ceo of mcdonald's about your salary if you were able to meet with them? >> i would say to him being a

man from chicago, that he knows what it's like to struggle. he should live a day in our shoes and see the poverty wages we get are not acceptable. we can't survive on that, $8.25 or $7.25. we need a living wage and union to protect us. >> jameer, do you think the protests are going to work? have you seen signs of sponsor meaningful change afoot? >> well, ronan, i believe if it can happen in seattle, it definitely will happen here. we just have to keep moving with our movement and we can -- we definitely can have luck here in los angeles. >> jessica, the labor unions are backing and helping to set up protests and expressed some fear about retaliation from workers which is why they are stepping in. do you face any retaliation at your workplace for being a part of these protests? >> no, not personally, i haven't received any retaliation from the workplace.

i know fellow co-workers across the city have and when you're with a union you're protected. we have your back and supported by our clergymen and many support community leaders and they need to know with the union you're protected. when you're not in the union, you're not protected. >> do you have concerns about workers being retaliated against? >> i'm sorry, i couldn't hear you. >> do you have any concerns about workers seeing retaliation for being part of the protests? >> i'm sorry -- >> i think we've lost -- have you got it? >> i got you. well, retaliation, if it's going to come, it's going to come. there's not much we can do. but besides the laws that are in effect that can help us with the unionization. and that's one of the things that we want. we want common respect and ability to unionize without anything coming back to harm us and our families.

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minister of ukraine during the invasion of crimea. do you think more u.s. troop presence in the region would actually deter russia effectively? >> good morning, america, it's an honor for me to be here for the first time. i think u.s. troops even in a limited number will show the support of the largest democracy in the world, strongest one and it will encourage local nations to fight their own fight for their freedom and security. >> couldn't more american troops actually inflame tensions with russia? >> as always, decisions should be flexible and calibrated. i think the issue at the moment is not the numbers, it is the presence and support. and certainly russians will have to count on possible

consequences of their actions similar to what they did in crimea. >> is it going to take more than sanctions to stop russia's advances? >> of course russians use widely -- in different countries, not only in ukraine, but they speculate about their responsibility to support so-called -- and they widely call all people speaking russian as those, and put in their legislature just to provide the president with the right to defend them militarily. so given this very aggressive approach and given the tactics to start with internal insurg y insurgecies like in georgia recently and now in ukraine, it's understandable that baltic countries are worried to have something similar. >> let's talk how aggressive

those measures are. russia has reportedly been conducting military exercises for the last several months and have 45,000 combat troops along the border according to some reports. the "washington post" came up with this map, which shows the extent of the buildup from both sides. do you think ukraine's military has any chance of standing up against that? >> sure, you ukraine military despite the loss of economy because the previous regime reduced the military to the symbolic shambles managed to mobilize really good amount of manpower and good enough to deter russian aggression in the east. i would add to injure

introduction, we have insurgency in approximate 1/3 of our east, and two provinces among the 12 provinces on the left. so we went from rather peaceful time and military and -- >> to this may hem. >> seeing russia as an enemy to almost twice as big military right now concentrating the best forces in the east capable to inflict damage to russians -- >> there's a big power differential. your country is up against a lot. this is a fascinating snapshot, we would love updates in the

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>> what happened? did they fix this? >> she went and went to raise what she thought was a polite protest and and it fit into a narrative and mark thompson's mind the ceo that she was a difficult person to deal with. >> abramson clashed with the intrusion of the business side into the newsroom as well as the hiring of new managing editor for the digital side. "the times" does dispute the reports of pay disparity and seemingly clashing terms and we'll get into that. she was the first female executive editor having resumed the role in september 2011 and will be placed by dean decay, first african-american to run the paper. leslie ben fet, author of the feminine mistake.

david, you've been doing incredible reporting and you confirmed there was a confrontation about pay gaps. do you think that's the primary reason for the ouster, there are a lot of different voices on jill abramson. >> i think that was one of the sparks to light what became this that played out brutally in the past 24 to 48 hours, this took a lot of people by surprise and even the top levels of the times newsroom. but there was a back story to this. sulzburger, the chairman and publisher was besodden with the idea of naming the first female but she also alienated mark tom p p son, deferred on his strongly for the vision of the digital. >> and one of the things released today is a memo illustrating how who rid their

digital situation was. clearly these were tense conversations. >> she had been somebody who steeped herself in a six-month sab bat cal, not a digital native but somebody who cared about it. and they've done really good strides in terms of digital story telling and visual story telling during her reign. nonetheless, she really came off as somebody who was open to this and yet this report authored by salsberger said the times failed time and time again on digital side. >> let's run through the other possible explanations, could this have been because of keller's longer tenure. >> because of pay. >> because of pay or fading financial fortunes, this is a general belt tightening? >> could it be the fact the entire country has been battered by the global financial crisis starting in 2008 and 2009.

the times was trying to reduce compensation and freezing pension and yet you can imagine the first female editor saying all of that is fine but the signal you're saying is i'm not worth as much. >> one of the people that reacted that way is you, rlesli. >> she was the managing editor and now discovered that one of her deputies was being made more than she was. >> none of what we're offering explains that. >> to a previous era or something. she's sitting here and her number two is getting more money, which is the reason i left "the new york times" in 1988. >> tell us -- that pressaged a lawsuit over -- >> there was a class action sex discrimination lawsuit against the times because their treatment of women -- >> before your departure. >> they settled it in 1978. they hired many of us. ten years later, i had been there for ten years and discovered the man sitting next to me, who had considerably less

experience and was new at the paper was being paid a lot more money than i was for doing the same job. i went to the editors and said, this is unacceptable and they said, oh, sorry, there's nothing we can do to fix that. and i said seriously? and they said, yeah. so i left i went to see a sex discrimination lawyer involved in the original case and said salary discrimination is indemic among the new york times and it's a bomb waiting to go off. it's a question whether you want to spend your life fighting the suit. at the time i had a fantastic job offer from "vanity fair" so i took that. am i surprised? that was 1988, that as far as i know has continued -- >> they pay lip service and write editorials and jill did a great job of increasing the amount of news about women and covering the issue -- >> this is the other thing -- >> the issue of pay gaps is not

an aside to jill abramson's career, she changed the masthead from being very male to almost half female, which is quite an accomplishment. >> it's a huge change. the fact is that, by a lot of our indexes, their still unbelievably sexist, if you look at the front page and experts quoted and recent study about women in the news media. the percentages are terrible and haven't changed in many years. >> heidi, it strikes me this is a general culture problem in journalism. the median annual earnings for a male editor come to nearly 60,000 and median for women is 51,000. is that something you've experienced? >> absolutely, i remember when i was a younger journalist learning one of my colleagues got a raise because he had gotten married, which wasn't an issue of journalistic merit. everyone has a story.

it's kind of interesting it's not addressed. when people talk about jill abramsson not being liked, it's because probably she acted in ways that were considered aggressive for a woman and the stark -- >> a number of outlets covered allegations that she was a pushy, a word that keeps coming up that we should maybe strike from vocabulary. >> what women have to do to be considered pushy is this. i've been at the "new york times," men have screaming fit and throw things. >> the other thing you would never get a scoop if you were pushy, wouldn't be good at your job. there's a quoel street of xplant that her profile was too high and considered threaten. it says the better you are at more job, the more prominence and more you are in danger. >> david, do you think they should have known there was this kind of fallout? it doesn't seem they had messaged prepared and calling it

not less pay to then saying the pay is directly comparable, not to say it's the same comparing her pay to keller's. >> i think they did a poor job in messaging but i'm less critiquing the messaging than the question of living their values, they push for transparency and all realms of the world. i admire them for it. at the same time, in this case they are saying essentially to top news editors and top executives, you cannot talk about this publicly. avera he told reporters it will be better for the new york times, don't push and don't look for answers, it's time to move on. that's not a great message to sends to a group of journalists when you have dozens of them and usually gather them to talk about the pulitzer's you've just won. she had tenure as top editor and

along with a handful of our outfou outfits and wonderful war coverage and other things. >> recent series on poverty. >> pushed stories that not everyone else was championing. >> done some admiral things and people criticize her as being pushy and one can say she's made very senior management choices that didn't work out and done other things that perhaps didn't reflect the best foot forward for the times in other ways and done it in a way that was not inclusive. and i probably think you're right to say a man wouldn't be judged the same way. if you're looking to build consensus or have a strong foundation, amid the jason blair scandal, it helps to have a newsroom that is passionate about you. there was no scandal. there was no reason to sort of push her off a cliff. and that's the way it's been treated by "the new york times" at least corporately which is why it seems dissident to many

watching. >> part of it is how well liked is the man in her place? he is widely respected -- dean bacay has been through his own episodes and oustered at the "l.a. times", seen the good and bad side of journalism. how significant do you think it is they selected an african-american? does that help blunt the impact of the discrimination? >> he wanted dean bacay to be the editor and he thought hard when he keler stepped down. he came up through chicago tribune and started in new orleans, his hometown, joined "the new york times" and left to be number two at the los angeles times. his departure wasn't marred by scandal. s he was lionized -- from the tribune company. >> seen as journalist -- >> champion of journalism.

one thing he's not is champion of digital innovation. he's admired as an investigative reporter and political reporter and loves the game, very smart and tough and very well liked. >> rleslie, you've worked in print and online side. the tension was the expansion into the online space and she wanted to hire a certain person on the digital side. facts are still coming to light, but how much of a state of desperation do you see this industry of all of the reporting all of us do because of this changing online landscape? >> journalism is in a state of complete panic and chaos but that doesn't excuse this. if you are one of the leading voices for liberal values and for social justice in america, which "the new york times" likes to think of itself as being, you need to stop driscriminating. if you're sitting there with the records and see the number one

woman is paid less than the number two men, i'm sorry, fix it. the long-term impact of this stuff is enormouenormous. >> it sends a maesage for a platform that means a lot to a lot of us. hold that thought. we're going to keep the conversation going. up next, the nra, it's not just for angry old white guys anymore and we'll tell you who they are targeting next. it's pretty different, right after the break. n and energy. but the energy bp produces up here n and energy. creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon

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the fight for the second amendment, now looks surprisingly like an mtv series. the reporter with our partners at the network joins us. does this speak to you? >> well, i -- you talk about guns the way we want. the stuff we dream about and

kick around when we're at the range. not the tactical bracelet eric holder wants to put on every gun owner like you. fine watches, fast cars and finest guns. a level of craftsmanship that takes decade upon decade to achieve. >> however much i want to own a gun before, i want to own it less. mike, so, tell us, you've been in the trenches on this issue. you've been talking to these people. what is the nra's goal with this new platform? >> it's difficult to tell. because while i reached out to them, they didn't actually decline to talk to me. so it's mostly up to interpretation. it seems like their goal is, one, to say maybe change the conversation about their image, which as you mentioned earlier, tends to be old, and angry, and white. whereas --

>> by contrast, you compared this to a wayne's world with sleek weapons. whatever that means. >> the quality of the show is really kind of like wayne's world. it feels like public access. for some reason nra declined to put the money toward the high-quality production. you have this very a.d.d. 16 minutes of web video that has seven segments in it that aren't really segments. it seems like this desperate, almost cynical move to pander to a crowd that probably isn't going to be interested in this anyway. >> that's an interesting point. heidi, just 18% of adults 18 to 25 own a gun. this is an uphill battle. do you think this kind of an approach, and the very in your face, we watched a lot of the footage, do you think that can resonate with the young people who have grown up in an era of school shootings? >> absolutely not. there's a whole breed of

advertisers who are trying to define millennials in a way they can get them to buy things. there's the young urban male that is supposed to be a major marketing category. and he's supposed to have lots of disposable income, which we know the millennials don't. if you can have an iphone and gun, it's just keeping up, being hip. like fixing your bike and you're set. that's absolutely false. millennials cannot be sold like previous generations were. >> there's a democratization of the numbers, and certainly there's a valid difference of opinion within groups of every age. i do think it's a particularly tough sell here. what do you think, david? >> i think heidi's got it right in many ways. you think about reaching out to millennials, and the sweet spot when i talk to people in the media, even the news, they want to hit a blend of earnest and

funny. but the funny is not sarcastic. they look at jimmy fallon who has had success. he's exceptionally earnest. and yet still funny. trying to hit the sweet spot. you saw the rnc was mopped for an ad a few weeks ago, where they have a young guy who looks like a williamsburg hipster. they said, this isn't going to connect with a lot of millennials trying to find jobs. around new york right now, because we've had the upfront season in which various media outlets try to promote themselves to advertisers, you see the posters that essentially look like young people in their bedrooms, have followers, over 1 million on youtube, right? and the notion that -- >> they're trying to ride on that. >> without trying to endorse what the nrs doing here, they say, if we look perfectly polished, we have an insight that's useful. not executing it in a way, or message that particularly appeals to you.

>> there's a core value system i think that prides authenticity. i don't know if this is authentic. one of the things that interests me is these are attractive hosts. noir, there, young, charismatic black man. the very attractive, and cut to the shot where we see a leggy young woman there. can younger faces, and can sex sell guns? >> no. the funny thing is, this is the opposite of authenticity. what it does is emphasizes how out of touch they are. to think it's so easy to pander to the millennials by checking off the series of boxes and things that they might like. >> we'll bring you back on that. thank you all. catch mike's piece on nra free style, evocative.com. that wraps up our edition of rfd. catch this show weekdays 1:00 p.m. right here. joy, what do you have coming up?

>> thank you very much. coming up next on "the reid report," trouble in the va. secretary eric shinseki tells congress he's going to take action to deal with the delays in treatment for our vets. but will that satisfy the folks calling for his head. then, the fight for 15. fast-food workers unite for higher wages. and bring back benghazi, yet again, as republicans try again to pump up the story. the facts from the gop might be getting cold feet. alright, that should just about do it.

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happy thursday. welcome to the reed report. we've got a lot of ground to cover today. starting with the growing scandal of veterans affairs. >> there is no doubt in my mind that there are serious problems. >> this needs to be a wakeup

call for the department. >> the lack of transparency and lack of accountability is inexcusable. >> any allegation, any adverse incident like this makes me -- makes me mad as hell. >> va secretary shinseki faces tough questions today. i'll talk to america's first african-american woman combat pilot, and hear her very personal story, her personal connection to this scandal. plus, the living wage battle is going global. fast food workers are walking off the job in cities everywhere today as they push for a $15 an hour wage. will all the pressure finally propel the companies to pay up. but first, front and center on capitol hill today, a decades-long problem of backlogging of veterans hospitals and new accusations hospital administrators cooked