what we need to do is rebuild the infrastructure. we got to make that case and the president ought to be praised for what he's doing. i'm proud of him. >> good evening, rev. >> good evening, ed. and thanks to you for tuning in. i'm live tonight in los angeles. tonight's lead, expokarl rove a the gop smear machine. attacks follow the same play back we've seen the right use for years. this time they're so blatant even one of rove's colleagues at fox news, chris wallace, is calling him out. >> i think karl rove knew exactly what he was doing. my guess is that even if he knows there's no indication she has brain damage, he kind of

probably laughing himself to sleep at night, well, i got the clintons on the front page and she's a target now. no truth? no problem. rove now suggesting hillary clinton had brain damage was inappropriate and didn't have an ounce of truth, but as long as it made headlines, he didn't care. he also reportedly said clinton was in the hospital for a month when it was really just a few days. and even last night, he wouldn't back down. >> i read your comments she wasn't in the hospital 30 day, she was in the hospital four days. she did come out wft glasses you referenced. nobody knows for sure what happened here. what was it you did say, what were you communicating? >> here's the deal. >> this is a 30-day-long episode.

>>three days or 30 days? it doesn't matter to the gop smear machine. they don't need facts. they just need to put this poison into the ground water. now right wing pundits are even demanding to see her medical records. >> i think it's fair game for us to be able to look at her medical records about what happened in 2012. >> if they want to set the record straight, release her health records. >> hullry has done her self a disservice. she could have ended this by making her records public at that time. then we wouldn't really be talking about it this time. >> demanding records? suggesting there's some kind of conspiracy? where have we seen that before? >> all we want to do is see this guy's birth certificate. >> where are hiez transcripts,

his writings. >> i'll release my tax returns when barack obama releases his college transcripts and the copy of his admission records to show whether or not he got any loans as a foreign student. >> perhaps it's going to say hawaii. perhaps it's going to say kenya. >> that's right. republicans are using the same dirty tricks they used against president obama against hillary clinton. it didn't work against him then and it won't work against her now. joining me now thank you for being here. aren't these attacks a textbook case of how the smear machine operates? >> yes, it is, reverend. but the difference is, i don't think karl rove meant to get it out here so early. she's not even a candidate yet and the whole idea of a dirty

tricks campaign, which has been rove's specialty over the years, you want to great nit there when it's very difficult for them to respond to. and you see, the huge backlash this has caused right now. but it certainly follows, if not in timing, at least the idea of it. throw out something outlandish and prove you don't have brain damage, prove you weren't born in kenya to keep the other thing alive. >> even if it might have been earlier than usual, he wasn't down playing it. i mean, he was supposedly down playing it in his comments, but he really just was doubling down. listen to him last night. >> if you're going to turn 69 two weeks before the 2016 election and if you get elected you're going to serve, you might want to for eight years, you're going to be 77 at the end of it. my point was, she'll have to deal with this at some pont and

be more forth womaning. we have only heard in press spokesman and doctors in the form of a 119-yord statement. is this going to be the issue of the 2016 presidential campaign if she runs? no, it's going to be a minor thing. there are going to be bigger issues that predominate the campaign. but while i'm on my way to calling it minor, i'm going to give you everything all over again. after i double down on what i'm saying doesn't matter after ix plain it for two minutes. >> i think karl rove knew exactly what he was doing with regard to the timing. he put it out there in one form. then he gets a little backlash, he has an opportunity to repeat the same charge again. now what we're talking about all week is what he said about hillary. we're talking about her health and those glasses. was it three days, was it 30 days? and remember, this is how all of these things get fed into the conservative machine, right? it will go on the internet, it

will go through talk radio and it will be there, just waiting to be tabbed again, should she run for president. i actually think he knew exactly what he was doing with regard to timing. >> and dana, haven't they been trying to do this to president obama for the last five years now? >> el well, right in and now it just pivoted so that the select committee that's investigating benghazi now, which is another very similar thing. prove some nefarious incident didn't occur. >> senator lind kay graham called for another investigation on benghazi. and listen to who he kept bri bringing up. >> does this explain where the video narrative came from? does it start with hillary clinton? what does that say about benghazi? and about her leadership abilities. what would secretary clinton say as to this excuse?

>> so benghazi, benghazi, now benghazi, hillary clinton. this is becoming a real gift box for them to push forward. >> the rove thing does get this other issue out there into the pipeline, but i think the pipeline is getting kind of clogged no uh with all the things that they're blaming hillary clinton for around the world. they're even blaming her for the kidnappings in nignigeria. they're blaming her for monica lewinsky coming out and giving an interview on "vanity fair." it may fire up the far right, but to everybody else, it's just a bunch of noise. >> that's my point. karl rove is considered such a master mine in all of this, we're hearing over the last few days. but his groups, american cross

roads and grossroads gps, they spent $175 million in 2012 and elected 0 winning candidates, 0. why would any republicans be listening to karl rove? >> remember the meltdown we saw on election night 2012. part of him doing this is to be align with the sort of main -- the sort of establishment republicans, right? so he's saying i'm willing to go out there and take on hillary clinton. and i think, again, there's -- as dana points out, i do agree that a lot of this is going to go to the very far right wing, but that's where they raise a lot of money. they get a lot of energy from that base. he also invoked the rose law firm and the billing records. it goes also to what they're trying to do is undermine her credibility early and often.

>> well, you know, but dana, the reality is, i think, that at the end oof the day, they're trying to control the discussion and the narrative. and if they can have everyone discuss things like this, is there conspiracy around benghazi, mrs. clinton's age, the hospital, really no stories there. it keeps them from having to discuss why they're not dealing with things like minimum wage and unemployment insurance ben gits and things of that nature. >> and it's been going on for, what, 22 years now? the attacks on hillary clinton. she is one of best known figures in america right now. these smears work if someone is unknown and they're unformed in the view of the electorate. people have a very firm view of hillary clinton. some people don't like her. a lot of people do like her.

it's highly unlikely karl rove is going to waltz in and say oh, i never thought of that. i never looked at hillary that way before. 50 i'm going to have to tlooef it there. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> and be sure to watch "disrupt" with karen finney weekends at 4:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, an emotional day at the opening of the 9/11 museum. today, president obama dedicated it to the victims and the heroes. tonight, my reflection on my personal unbreakable bond that started that day. plus, one of chris christie's greatest allies is now questioning something the governor said. it could open up new questions about what the governor knew and when he knew it. and could monica lewinsky be on the verge of a talk show job?

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he wants to go back to school but he can't afford to on such low wages. >> for many of us, we have restrictions with our kids. >> it hurts so bad because i have to explain to them well, mommy wasn't have the money to do this for you. >> this isn't some abstract political debate in washington. this is about people deciding between going hungry or going homeless. and it's time, past time for politicians and companies to do the right thing. joining me now is edgar gonzalez who is one of the workers protesting for higher wages today here in los angeles. and u.s. news and world reports susan milligan. edgar, let me go with you first. you work full time at $8.25 an hour. how hard is it to raise a family off of that? >> for me, as a worker and a student, it's really hard for me

to provide for my family, you know, because i also want to go back to school. it's really hard for me. i go to school or, you know, i pay my rent. i support my family, and my daughter was just born this 30th of april. so it's been really hard for us. i work really hard. i work for three people a day, and mcdonald's is making billions and billions and billions and they're not willing to share a little bit with us. >> you had a daughter just two weeks ago? >> yes. >> now, susan, let me go to you, susan. because what he's raising -- i talked for about almost all of my three hours on my radio show about this. we keep hearing over and over again. i got today, the right wing making absurd arguments for why we shouldn't raise the minimum wage. take a listen.

>> if you want to spur teenage hiring lower the minimum wage or get rid of it. >> the minimum wage makes no sense whatsoever to me. i mean, honestly, it's just the black teenage unemployment act. >> when we start talking about minimum wage at $15 an hour, what we're trying to say is mediocrity should be rewarded. >> why not raise the minimum wage to $100,000? >> here's who is actually making minimum wage. 88% are 20 or older. 62% are women, 55% work full time. we're not talking about kids just coming out of school here. >> that's exactly right. when i was in high school, i worked in fast food and pretty much everybody i worked with is 16 and 17 years old. i'm not saying it's okay to mistreat people who are young.

i was saving for college. that's the argument people use to pay women less. but that's not the reality of who's doing these minimum wage jobs. we're not talking about mom and pop shops in iowa where they might go under you know, if they had to pay a great deal more. we're talking multibillion dollar company where is the ceos are maki making billions of dol. we're all paying for it for one way or another. people who don't have health insurance, we pay for them. when people are paying wages this low, we pay for it in medicaid and food stamps because these are food stamps who can't possibly afford to live on the wages they're being paid. >> edgar, let me go back to you. you talked about you're working for three people. you talked about your family. give people around the country a sense, how many of your colleagues, your co-workers,

people you work with have families they're trying to feed off of these wages? >> most of people that work with me are parents there. older than 20. they're older than 30. and, you know, it's really hard for them to maintain their families, so they have to get two jobs. and it's really hard to get two jobs. why? because we don't have times to pay to our kids. that's when the kids go out on the streets because we don't pay as much attention to them because we're working so hard to provide some food for them. and i don't feel it's fair to -- >> what would an increase in minimum wage mean for you? tell me, edgar personally, if you got an increase in minimum wage, how would that affect your life and the life of your family? >> getting minimum wage will mean me getting an education. and me contributing more to the economy. why? because i'm getting paid more, i'll be able to afford my

lunches and, you know, contribute back to mcdonald's as well. i got to pay for my lunches because i don't have money to eat. so, you know, it will get me to continue my education, which i i've been striving to do, it's been really hard. now that i have my daughter, i have to buy diapers, buy formula. it will make it better on my daughter as well. >> susan, point is a lot of the people on the right, and i kept hearing this today, act as though minimum wage would be a handout. edgar is a case in point. handout? they're working. they're working many hours a day. and they want to be constructive, well educated, tax paying citizens. >> i think the whole idea is people who are working full time shouldn't have to rely on government assistance just to survive. edgar brings up a good point. it also drives the rest of the economy. the whole ethic behind the automobile companies way back

when was somebody who worked at ford should be able to buy a ford. if you have people working at mcdonald's who can't afford to buy their lunch at mcdonald's, there's something not right about that. our economy is 70% consumer driven. that ends up hurting the economy as a whole. >> edgar gonzalez and by the way, edgar congratulations on your new child. i was going to join you all today. susan, thank you for your time this evening. >> still ahead, a new bridgegate headache for chris christie. a key former ally is now saying there are big problems with christie's story. also, would you watch monica lewinsky on daytime tv? lots of folks are buzzing about where she might end up. the day we rescued riley was a truly amazing day.

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he's connected to all of the key players. he had a relationship with bridget kelly, who sent that e-mail "time for some traffic problems." he also wrote e-mails about the traffic to david wildstein, the bridge official who carried out the closings. governor christie has always claimed stepien assured him he didn't know about the lane closings. here's the governor's last december statement. >> i have absolutely no reason to believe that, angie. and i've made it very clear to everybody on my senior staff that if anyone had any knowledge about this, they needed to come forward to me and tell me about it and they've all assured me they don't. i've spoken to mr. steb ypien, who's the person in charge of

the campaign and he's assured me the same thing. >> that was december 13. governor christie saying bill stepien assured him he had no knowledge of the lane closing plan. but today, bill stepien says th that's not true. he says one day before on december 12, he told the governor he had heard about the plan from david wildstein. in a statement, stepien's attorney said, quote, last december 12, mr. stepien candidly informed the governor of his advanced knowledge of that plan and of his proper suggestion that mr. wildstein vet that plan with the powers that be in trenton. this claim, coming from one of christie's closest allies, directly contradicts what the governor said the very next day. what happens next? joining me now is criminal

defense attorney brian weiss who has experience with political corruption cases. thanks for being here, brian. >> good to see you, rev. >> there's a lot of names and characters in this bridgegate scandal, but nobody more central than bill stepien. and nobody closer to the governor. and now he's directly contributing christie it appears. what's your take on this, brian? >> well, i think what you need to understand, this is just no ordinary civil service chuckle head. this was the governor's wartime councilier. they both can't be telling the truth. but when i saw the news coverage on this the other day, i was immediate immediately reminisce assistant of roger clemens detestimony before congress where he claimed that fellow teammate new york andy pettitte misremembered what

he told him about the use of hgh. this may be a case where both parties have misremembered what the other one said. but at the end of the day, this is not just a little speed bump. this is something that ultimately matters. >> now, it's interesting you talk about misremembered, because to be clear, bill stepien's attorney isn't accusing the governor of lying. he says in the bergen record, quote, governor christie misspoke the attorney of the former campaign manager said. why would step stepien's attorney characterize it like that? could it be a credible explanation the governor just misspoke? >> i think you're right. yis tee's lawyer is an a lawyer there's no sense in accusing one of the most popular, powerful

men in the garden state of lying when he doesn't have to. what he did do, he found another villain in this morality tail, and that's randy mastro, the governor's lawyer. he and his posse of former federal prosecutors at gibson dunn are now the bad guys. because kevin moreno did was to call them out, not just on his version of what his client may have told the governor, but called him out even more so on this basic notion of what we all learned in civics class were first day in criminal pro-proseed dur, that you can't belief that somebody may be lying merely because they're not cooperating with an ongoing investigation. we can all tell our moms or wooifs or girlfriends they can draw this inference if we don't answer their questions, but it's not like that in the criminal justice system. i think kevin moreno made that

point to mastro. >> why are stepien and his attorney doing this now? >> for a simple reason. you've got randy mastro, an a-list litigator, making public, their now famous report, which some people claim cleared chris christie of everything he might have done from bridgegate through office detention in the fifth grade, but was largely a sham. once that report made it into the public consciousness and on to your show and other shows, the public is going to believe that version may be true unless somebody else steps up to the microphone. and that's exactly what kevin more roan know did. asking mastro and his posse of former federal prosecutors to basically, as we say on the schoolyard, take it back. it ain't so. and by getting his client's version out there, kevin moreno has done a great job of representing his client, not

just in a grand jury room or a criminal courtroom, but in the court of public opinion. rev? >> all right. i'm going to have to leave it there. we'll certainly be following this criminal defense attorney brian weiss, always insightful. thank you for your time tonight. coming up, controversy at "the new york times." was the top editor fired over equal pay? or was there more to it? plus, rush limbaugh gets an award, and it's being met with outrage today. and is monica lewinsky coming to tv? barbara walters has everyone talking about this today. that's next. we need it right away! we cannot let the fans down. don't worry! the united states postal service will get it there on time with priority mail flat rate shipping.

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>> it's time now for the talk of the nation. the stories that have everyone talking online. thanks for coming on the show tonight. is monica lewinsky headed for a job in tv? barbara walters has everyone talking today after she suggested "the view" reached out to lewinsky. she said this last night on letterman. >> would you ever have

considered putting her on "the view." >> i won't tell you what we have done, but it would have been possible. i don't think that's what she wanted. >> okay, how about a test. let's bring monica in for a week and see how it goes. >> i think it would be great if she were on "the view." i wouldn't expect her tomorrow. >> monica lewinsky on "the view." can you see it? would it be a good move? >> i am team monica. i am one of those people out there that feels very sorry for her and i think she has every right to tell her story. i have watched "the view" pretty much my whole life. it's a perfect setting for someone like monica to come talk to a group of women that are going to be sympathetic to her and an audience that will very much be sympathetic to her. i'm talking about a week of co-hosting or one day.

but to talk about being a permanent host of "the view" i think that ends up being pretty controversial if you think about some of the implications. like booking, for example. >> what's what i'm curious about. i don't know who's on the view now. >> i think certainly that monica makes -- excuse me, barbara walters made news, right? certainly he's had a 50-plus-year career. she knows how to make news. perhaps she was saying she will get in the future, but everyone on the view panel has a long career in their specific fold and i just don't think she's qualified to host "the view. i doe think it's interesting and newsworthy, but i don't think she's qualified to host "the view." definitely good for one-off show.

>> would it be something that guests would -- the kind of guest when i used stood it a lot is political and all. it would be a different kind of format given that a lot of their guests may or may not have something to shoot back on or question her on. >> there's no doubt there would be moment where is they would say tell us about the moments when you were with the president. she would only go on there with the sort of agreement that she would have to open up. i think you would have a mixed reaction from the audience. there are a number of people who support the clintons. they've got a huge support gr p group. >> let me go to another controversy in new york that's making front paej news all over the world. "the new york times" abruptly

fired its executive editor jill abramson. and there's all kinds of speculation flying piernd as to why she was let go. one of her associates said she confronted the top brass ewhen she discovered her pay was considerably less than the male editor she replaced. this may have played into the narrative that she was pushy. "the new york times" said her total compensation was comparable to her predecessor's. that word bushy, that's a very loaded word. a lot of folks are saying it's a coded sexist language. what do you think? does the gender issue play a role in the firing? >> absolutely. 100%. >> if you're looking a the reaction of men or women. women immediately understood wh --

men understood what it's like to go in to ask for a raise, a vacation. and we might not see it the right way because we live in a sexist society that does not respond positively to assertive women. the confidence code creptly came out in order to get ahead. structur structurally, women are up against a lot. >> a lot were saying she was making decisions without consulting management. getting ready to hire her friend from "the guardian." >> it sounds like the story has a lot more to it than simply what she was getting paid. i mean, there are reports oit a year ago in places saying that -- >> that was extremely sexist, though. they called her brusque. >> there was a lot of talk of that. i think whenever a story like this comes out, it's a question of what if the roles were reversed and it was a man that was, quote, unquote, pushy. would that man have been fired? it's a difficult one to answer.

>> this question is going to be asked until we find out more, for sure. rush limbaugh just won a children's book award. yes, you heard it right. not only does rush have a children's book, but he was awarded author of the year by the children's book council. here's the real scary part. the riners are supposedly picked by kids who vote online. he won for this book titled "rush revere and the brave pilgrims." he accepted the award in typical rush fashion. >> rush revere and his time traveling horse, i love america. i wish everybody did. i hope everybody will. >> could this possibly be voter fraud from some kids on the

right? >> absolutely 100% the kids did not vote for rush limbaugh over "divergent" the blockbuster movie. i think kids, certainly if they even know who rush limbaugh is, which is probably a tall order e, you know, they certainly aren't yay, a talking horse and a man talking about becoming a radio host when they grow up. i don't think that's an inspiring message for kids. >> we want to see the photo id of kids that voted. >> i don't know about you, rev. but rush limbaugh is my favorite children's book author. he's truly amazing when he's coming to. >> he's not even my favorite radio host. i don't know if he's going to be my favorite children's author. >> i think to be nominated for this award you had to sell a certain amount of books. i'm going to leave it there.

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♪ i once was blind but now i see ♪ ♪ >> she was 8 months pregnant when her husband died in the world trade center on september 11. singing that beautiful song, that beautiful version of "amazing grace" at the 9/11 museum this morning we all remember where we were that day. i was in brooklyn campaigning for a mayoral candidate. people were distraught, in tears. and i found a family friend of my daughter's, 12-year-old travis boyd, whose mother was working in the towers. he came to live with us for nine weeks, always hoping his mother had somehow survived.

always hoping she would call or show up at our door. now travis boyd is a grown man and turning his suffer into a higher calling. joining me now is menster travis boyd who graduated from divinity school this past saturday. thank you for come on the show. >> thank you for having me. >> my daughters were at your graduation of receiving your masters degree on saturday. and i remembered how we watched you those nine weeks, every time the phone rang, hoping it was your mom or the doorbell. how did you use that pain in going into the ministry and now you just received a masters degree this past saturday? >> well, i've always had the determination in knowing that my faith stood ground on anything

that i went through in life. and one of the things i realized is that me having faith in good and knowing who i am as a young man and the principles my mother taught me, i was able to apply those thing to life, and not only just soak in my tragedy, but kind of triumph of from that tragedy. >> your mother was raising you as a single mother. she was everything to you. i'm sure you thought about her when you walked across that stage when you went to get your masters degree on saturday. >> most definitely. as the class was walking to their seats, a few tears rolled from my eyes because i then began to realize how proud my mother would have been at me and how proud i know she is of me. but also, i was able to understand how much of a man i have become and how much of a

man she has cultivated me to be today. >> you really showed that out of deep pain and something that is unbearable, that you can still find strength. what message do you hope people get now when we because at 9/11. what do you hope they leave with? what is the takeaway you hope people that didn't go through the experience you went through that they will have? >> one thing i would hope to share with people is that they do not sulk in their sadness but revoice the life that was lost and understand that they are looking above, you know, smiling and revoicing in their success an those that nay affect around them. >> as you go toward in the ministry and others go forward, do you have hope that others can

find strength in your story to deal with whatever pain and unexpected taj dis may happen in their life? >> most definitely. i do believe my life is a testimony. i believe that my testimony will help deliver someone out of any trials and tribulations they go through. the bible does tell us we're overcome by the word is our testimony. i want my testimony to be a light for somebody else. >> all right. well, i want you to know you inspired me and a lot of others. thank you for being here, sharing your memories with us. and your thoughts and prayers are always something that you always in my praers and my taughts. >> i think the story of travis boyd and the stories we heard today teaches us one thing. yes, there are terrorists, yes, there are evil people, look at what's going on in nigeria, but

one thing that i learned, they can win the morning but they can't win the night because there will be those of us who will stand up and not let them have the last word. this young man represents that. thanks for watching. "hardball" starts right now. the clintons go to war. let's play "hardball." >> a now open partisan battle between the clintons and the republicans. clinton may have blown the starters whistle himself when he said the current attacks on hillary's health are, as he put it, just the beginning. the clintons have avoided so far by saying this is just the beginning of the attacks on the former secretary of state. he's predicting a