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let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the rt good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. why did rove do it? possibly the partisan equivalent of a terror attack. getting the other side so shook off it moves off its game plan. did rove do that, get the clintons ton a fight a year ahead of schedule? did that get bill and hillary out in the streets clamoring, out there looking like the veteran roe partners they intend to be, but way, way ahead of their 2016 schedule? did rove succeed in setting up the health matter just before her book tour to get every tv, radio and reporter to drop the health question wherever the book tour takes her. and finally, did karl rove southerly encourage jeb bush to get into the race by show how ready operatives like him are to do the job on hillary, just like they did the job on michael

dukakis back in 1988. and after all the blowback, could it be that karl rove doesn't mind at all being hated all the more by the left for running alongside the clinton campaign bus lobbing stink bombs in the window as long as it makes him more highly prized on the right, especially by the big money people. david corn is the washington bureau chief for mother jones and is an msnbc political analyst. and the special correspondent "the daily beast." all opinions are relevant because i have been trying to project where this takes us. it's been the week of the attack on hillary's health, whatever that is. has it worked, or even hurt her? what's it all about? rove is going to be around and she's going to be around and bill clinton is going to be around. >> this talking point is not going anywhere. i don't know if this was strategically intended for this particular week, but week by week -- >> he's been doing this for a while. week by week, the clintons are

more and more in the news, particularly hillary, as we get up to the big book release, happening next month. so you see more and more folks on the right as you get closer to 2016 trying to take shots at hillary. now, i think what rove wants to do here, he doesn't want to win the case. you know, he actually made a mistake by talking about brain damage and going too far and having to qua zi apologize. >> he said brain injury, would that have been smarter? >> i think it would have. he wants to create background noise so this question linger, hovers. people have to ask her. >> we've seen this so many times. they did it to dukakis with the psychiatrist. >> it's not at all unexpected. and it's going to continue to come up. and actually, though, in one way or the other, she will have to address this the way that john mccain and ronald reagan did. they did it more with rumor, but this is an issue. >> let's go where we were six months ago. hillary clinton comes off a pretty sterling performance as

secretary of state. worked hard, went millions of miles. became first name basis with these world leaders. she's up here as an icon, not a politician. is she still an icon? >> it drags her back down into the political -- >> they're dragging me back in again. every time i get out. >> a little bit like that. but that's inevitable. if she runs she's going to become a political figure again. >> it's may 2014. she's expected to announce in 2015? >> early 2015, maybe. we've got to talk about it. it's going to standard happening and it has happened. when rove walks into a crowd, not like this little crowd, but somebody on the pretty far right money people, is he well received now. is he seen as a guy who, okay a little dirty? but he gets the job done. >> the group that he started, american crossroads had a big problem.

they didn't win the races they were in last time. i know from talking to people on the right that his group did not do the internal autopsy that convinced people that they knew what to do next time. but that said, all karl rove needs is one or two texas billionaires, that's always been his go-to gang, to fund whatever he wants to do snex next. so they're still out there. he'll rope them in and they will appreciate this attack. >> who else is a riding, roping cowboy like this guy. this is lee atwater stuff. $103 million lost on every single race. is there a fee in this? he places these ads. does he get 7%? >> of course he does. but he lost every single race. >> the husband of outed cia officer valley plame has his own

history with rove. wilson took rove to task for engaging in his old dirty tricks. in the long run, wilson says they will backfire. african-americans, gays, women have long since fled the republican party as poll after poll have shown. but rove is still practicing his old treks by attacking hillary clinton, he seems to do short term damage, but what about the long-term damage he's done and is doing to his own party? by 2016, rove will have succeeded in alienating millions of more through his revolting tactics. my question to you, the question of mike is this -- i thought that hillary had almost reached the point of untouchability and that wasn't going to last. but this guy is now -- is he going to pay the price? and who cares. >> are the republicans going to pay the price for his behavior? >> the republicans are going to pay the price.

i don't think this resonates outside of the echo chamber. the echo chamber is a,rah, rah, rah. but with others it's going to produce a little sympathy for hillary clinton, if anything. >> but still, the republicans may not learn their lesson this time around. and hillary clinton is a great candidate in a lot of ways but also a candidate with problems and she is beatable by the right republican. >> she point out for the nirs time, i think it was her piece that we now know the rollout plan for the clin tons, the book tour. get a lot of positive ink about her role as secretary of state. really focusing on those four years. then apparently she's going to play a major role in the fall like dmix son did in '56. pick out the clinton favorites. peck out those ones, they win,

she gets the record as well as bill with being in the winners. >> she did this in 1998 and 2000. >> schumer in new york. >> and others. she had a great record. a great won/loss record in 1998 and that helped her be a much more impressive senatorial candidate in 2000. >> i dependent know until this thing happened. >> you know why this is important, she hasn't campaigned in a long time. micks is always evolving, it's always different. the role she is played as secretary of state -- >> is it giving nice speeches where everybody cheers? or letting people ask you questions. it it's both. it's having a message and a vision. it's going elsewhere and it's doing it -- you know what, i'll book it -- doing it not just

once a week, it's doing it every day over and over again. so she needs to get back up. >> that's always been my concern about any politician that leaves the field for eight years. you're not into the zeitgeist. every time you try a speech in the old days, nice try. >> that's why she goes out this fall. the conservative attack on hillary clinton, charles krauthammer insisted that hillary clinton's popularity is vastly overstated. let's watch charles. >> i think the democrats gross ly jor estimate how popular hillary is. she may be popular with them, but they assume -- >> she hasn't been out in the field. she hasn't been challenged in debate. she's a non -- she's not an officer holder right now.

so she's not subject to slips. you go back over her record and you have somebody asking very simple correct and tough questions, number one, name a single achievement in your four years as secretary of state. >> if you need more clues, the right sees hillary as a threat, look at reince pribus' twitter account. tweeted about hillary no fewer than five times in the last 24 hours. her failures at the state department are evident. also the hard choices led to bad decisions and bad outcomes. plus, here's another tweet. where hillary clinton goes, the donor scandals will follow. and the state department says hillary clinton could have acted on boka haram sooner. should she be trusted with hard choices?

that's the title of her upcoming memoir. >> charles krauthammer what is he up to? >> he's taking the benghazi cool aid. >> 66% ceiling. i have never seen a ceiling -- >> this is the point you made earlier. as secretary of state in that cabinet of rivals, team of rivals, her popularity just really went very high. now the question is, as she gets back into partisan politics, which a lot of americans tend not like, is she going to come down a bit? she will. the question is, how far? >> by the way, you're not answering the right question. you're a smart guy, but you're not answering it. charles didn't say she'll end up being unpopular. he says she's unpopular now and that's not true. >> look at the number, charles, look at the polls.

she's ahead of everybody 10, 12, 14 points. that's been done to no effect when she ran for president. legislatuors don't usually do something. this morning, hillary clinton showed up on the view to bid farewell to barbara walters. the former secretary of state had advice for the entirery news -- i don't think we say newswoman, but it's on script here. how about correspondent. here we go. >> first of all, take some time off. i mean, really -- >> you're in no position to tell me. >> that's what i've been doing. >> take some time. you have a wealth of friends who adore you. spend time for them. take a real vacation. i go out with my dogs. my husband and i take long walks. just let down and enjoy.

for a week at least. >> as long as you're here, let me ask you a question. the question i want to ask is are you going to run, but -- >> well, i am running around the park. >> that appearance did not hurt the former first lady. >> no. >> that's what she's got to do more of. >> politicians don't usually get to do that before they run. they usually do that if they lose. >> do we have time? >> quick. >> it makes me think about something. democrats always win women, but republicans win white women. watch that if she's the candidate. >> you may not be the last person to say that. white women will vote for hillary. coming up, i don't think they ale get together on it. you would think the tea partiers would have a good shot of winning the sflat and pushing it to the right, but it turns out they have a problem with the likely concerted republican winners. to too liberal by their

standar standards. also, do you remember this by the republican gubernatorial debate, not just the establishment candidates, but the fringier ones as well. >> hey diddle diddle right up the middle. that's my style. >> you have your choice, folks. a cowboy, a curmudgeon, a biker or a normal guy. take your pick, thank you very much. >> normal wasn't good in that case. that was harley, harley brown. and how could we help but invite him on to "hardball." he's going to join us later in person. plus, speaking of people on the fringe, right wing so-called patriot groups promise 10 million to 30 million of them would deaccepted scend on the w right. about ten people more or less did show up. finally what we can expect now that the starter's gun has gone off way ahead of schedule in the presidential race. this is "hardball."

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primari primaries. the most recent sidelined, the gop is eyeing full control of the congress, maybe even the senate. the tea party, instead of declaring victory right now is signalling it's ready to go to war with the republican party itself. again, "the washington post" reports today that a number of conservative leaders are gearing up for a fight with republicans who they fear will betray them once they get into office, especially when it comes to fiscal issues like the budget or social issues like immigration. they fear elegislature the republican, even if they succeed in retaining control of the house and winning the senate majority would cast aside the core conservative base. at a recent meeting, conservative leaders drafted their demands that included things like married moms and bads are best at raising kids. support for anti-abortion legislation and a balanced budget amendment. at that pleating, c imeeting te crowd, yay, our team is winning,

but we win when we stand for principle and we lose when we give in to washington's status quo. on activist summed it up and said conservatives ought not to delude themselves. if republicans win it will somehow be a conservative majority. we have the experts here. the author of "don't hurt people and don't take their stuff" a libertarian manifesto. and a national political reporter with "the washington post." that's your report. and i guess, what is it that you believe the hard right is worried about the center right doing if they get control. >> i was at ritz kacarlton hote and they were skiddish that should republicans take the senate there's going to be movement on immigration reform, there's not going to be a lot of

attention paid to social issues and there's not going to be a bold conservative agenda like cruz would like to see and mike lee would like to see. there was a fear that republican establishment is ascending and the tea party, popular with the base just doesn't have the power it wants to have. >> what's the fear? what's your fear? >> i'm actually more optimistic about it. i think we're defining the agenda. you're seeing even someone like thom tilus, he's come in our direction. he's run on that issue. we've reset the table. >> i think you have. you made that point, too. what was once called -- well, there's no more jake javitz. that wing of the party. no more arlen specters around. those republicans you called rinos are gone. there. >> a difference in temperament, style and strategy. not ideology. >> i think you guys, i think the

reason there is a tea party is a very legitimate concern that the government is wasting money. they're spending money on things people can't -- it doesn't make sense to regular working people. regular working people have to balance their books. why can't the dan government do it. i get that. there's also this sort of maybe ethnic, maybe just nationalistic attitude about illegal immigration. i think they will go crazy if speaker boehner cuts a deal that basically offers some route to legal status legally. doesn't that bother you? >> i think it would be a huge mistake to pass dick durbin's bill and that's the mistake marco rubio made. i think the problem is we can't work with harry reid, we can't work with barack obama. frankly we don't trus them. >> don't trust them to enforce the law after they get them? >> no, i don't trust them to negotiate an honest bill. >> what do you suspect that they would do to undermine the effect of this immigration reform? everybody knows what it's about,

especially in the southwestern part of the united states. everybody knows what it's about. too many immigrants, too fast, whatever. ethnic differences are obviously part of it. but here's the question, what are you afraid of? what deal are you afraid of? >> i'm afraid they won't fix the problem. the problem has to be, if you want people that want to come here honestly and work and follow the rules, you should fix prospectively the opportunity to do that. the senate bill doesn't do that. it focuses on who controls politically the people who came here illegally. the problem is if the house wrote the best immigration bill, one that i could support, it goes to conference, harry reid rolls them and we get a really bad bill. that's something we just can't do. >> how does that square with your reporting? >> it's real. >> they do the internal whip counts, the numbers aren't there. the numbers aren't even really there for a piecemeal bill that eric cantor wants to do. >> is there any chance that speaker boehner here -- objective reporting here, will

boehner try something in june with this little window we hear about? or will he try something in a lame duck? >> much more likely in a lame duck. he knows he has to get the base energized in the midterms. >> would he pass a bill after the election is over? >> that's never been his style. i'm not going to rule it out as a surprise. >> are you worried about that? fast numbers like november 15. >> i think john boehner is a short-timer. i think he's looking at what he's going to do next in his life. >> you think that time down in florida meant something? >> that's the biggest rumor. boehner is maybe on his way out. but a lot of what boehner says when he says he's keeping it as an option, he's signalling to the wiz community in the republican party he's not ruling it out. >> you don't trust these guys, do you? >> well, why would you? >> they made a lot of promises and they haven't been willing to keep them. the tension between the

grassroots and the gop establishment goes back to 1976 when ronald reagan took on a sitting president. >> how do you move away from same-sex marriage? you could have a religious difference with it, many religions do. not all. mine does. but people are gay. they're supposed to get married to other people of the opposite sex. what would that accomplish? you say your family values. what is a gay person supposed to do? marry someone in a fake marriage that doesn't involve physicality or that kind of love? what are you advertising? what do you want to happen here? >> i'm a libertarian, i don't understand why government, particularly the federal government is involved -- >> you don't mind states approving same-sex marriage. >> i don't want the government out of it. >> no, states. how do you do it without licenses. >> marriage is is a social institution. >> so you're saying you don't need a state license to get

married? >> i don't think so. >> some people like rand paul are advocating that right now. >> get rid of marriage licenses? >> no, more of a libertarian slant within the party when it comes to -- >> i agree with that. but prayer in school. that's not libertarian. how do you support that? all kinds of religions there and you're going to read the king james version of the bible. >> i would love parents to decide how kids are educate popped. >> in public schools? >> why don't you give patients a choice? >> who decides which religion you are. >> if the parents don't like what's being taught in a public school, should they get a choice to send their kid to a parochial school, yes. now it's top down. >> so you're for school choice? >> fabsolutely. >> they talked about school prayer yesterday. >> you just slipped off, whether they should. reading christian bible readings. >> i do not want politics determining school curriculums. i want parents to. >> you don't want prayers in

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>> there's nothing that gets me more m excited than a political rivalry. bush v gore, bush v bore, bush v door. >> welcome back to "hardball." time now for "the side show." that was steve colbert on some of the great political rivalries. one that's been added to the list this week, hillary clinton versus karl rove. >> this is a serious scandal because rove's conjecture is based on solid facts. hillary clinton did go to the hospital after a concussion in 2012, and she later exhibited some very strange behavior in her benghazi testimony. she had a mastery of the facts and an unshakable confidence, all while wearing those stupid glasses. i mean, they're like, these

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>> welcome back to "hardball." there's been hot political stories this week. most notably karl rove versus clinton story. the other big story is the firing of "the new york times" executive editor jill abramson. appropriately or not, it's raised the issue of pay fairness again and it recalls a scene from ron howard's great movie "the paper" where glenn close, playing the newspaper's managing editor confronts the paper's publisher asking for a raise. >> well, i won't waste your time. the fact of the matter is i have other offers. >> didn't we just renegotiate your contract? >> recently, yeah, but my deal is up in a little under a year. >> 18 months, isn't it? >> technically that would be more accurate, but, you know -- >> i'll tell you what.

if you have other offers, you have my permission to pursue them. but don't come to me again without talking to bernie first. i don't like it. it's cheap. okay? are we done? >> graham, i don't think you -- i would love it if you weren't here. >> joining me now, in a race to regain the pennsylvania district in the house she once representative. marjorie, thanks for joining us. you know, when i sthau movie, it struck me that this probably has a lot different feelings coming out from men or women. the idea of a woman asking for a pay raise, but accidentally walking with the publisher into the men's room and finding herself in that strange situation where she's

outnumbered in the wrong gender role as she's sitting in there, it just struck me, that much really get to women who are professionals. damn it, they must have an attitude about this. and what does this say about pay equity? >> i agree with you. and this is -- the pay equity, we're still about -- we're going up at 70 cents on the dollar for white -- for the average. but african-americans are at 77% and latinas, or the hispanic community, the women are at 56 cents to the dollar. but more than that, women really -- they don't ask for raises. typically, it's true. women kind of feel, well, we're doing a good job, we should be recognized, thank you very much. women don't ask typically for raises. the other thing is we grow up

still with stereotypical images. you know, these are the kinds of jobs that we'll be safe to go to, or that you should get -- although that's definitely changing. but once we get there, we find in the news business, many, many more women are on television. but still, the numbers in the executive offices, it doesn't -- it doesn't reflect the numbers that should be there. >> i've got to tell you, nbc is doing very good at that department. we have our top people all over the news area, all over the news business, generally find all the women in the top positions and all around us, with lots of vice presidents. but beth, i'm not here to flap for nbc. it doesn't need it.

it has pay equity has something to do with her being sack popped. >> all of us who are professional women, i think this story has the legs that it does. it's something we all contend with scene a huge frustration for us. but on the other hand, let's keep our eyes on the prize, jill abramson, those of us in television news, we have a good job with good salaries. the real problem is for women who are in the lower classes, working women, working class people, they, too, are discriminated against in terms of salary. and it really brings down their family income, their household income. it hurts the economy. they have less money to spend. it's so engrained in the way that we do business in this country that nobody thinks abc the overall repercussions that it has on a family and the economy. >> i wonder how much this conversation is going to encourage more women, not that they weren't already there to vote for hillary when the time comes. today, hillary clinton addressed

pay inequity. let's listen in. you respond to this marjorie. >> mothers are now the primary or soul breadwinners in nearly 40% of all families. this single mom lives in our vast metro sprawl, traveling long distances every day to work a low wage job she's lucky to have. many other young people in her neighborhood are still looking. she works hard but she knows that her male co-workers tend to make more than she does. it's demeaning and demoralizing and it shortchanges her whole family. >> her whole family. marjorie, your reaction to that? >> and it's shortsighted. if we are going to make the next steps, what we have to do is we've got to grow our way out of this economic situation. when did we last do it? we did it in '93, frankly.

when 24 million new jobs grew in the '90s after the clinton budget passed. that's where we have to -- that's where we strong -- and we have to figure out what it means to grow the economy with women. we've got to make sure there's transportation, job training, that there's day care. and we know that when we do that, the middle class grows. and when the middle class grow, more money is spent. >> i like my wife making more money. why wouldn't anyone want their space to make more money? there's always a little rivalry theoretically, but when it comes to the paycheck, it all adds to the family income. you know, it would seem, why aren't men joining in this fight to help women get more money? >> there's no transparency around what people make. nobody knows what anybody sitting next to them is making. businesses make sure that those

kinds of discussions don't happen. so we don't really know how to -- we don't know how to negotiate because we don't know what anybody sitting around us is making. >> did you ever know what your dad was making? i never knew what my dad -- i can't imagine that coming up in the house. >> i would ask and they would not tell me. >> it was off the record. good luck right there. i would be up there voting for you, of course. if i was up there now. >> you would have such a good time, chris. northeast, i mean, you would be -- you would such a good time. we're in there. >> marjorie, i ran for that seat 30 years ago. >> wow. >> thank you very much. good luck to you. beth, thank you very much for coming on from our network. the wild gubernatorial debate in

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>> we're back. it was 40 years ago i ran for that house seat in pennsylvania. 40 years ago. house seat in pennsylvania. 40 years ago. wednesday's republican primary debate for governor in idaho received national attention after a couple of lesser known candidates stole the show and turned the forum into a viral sensation. ample proof that in this country anyone can run for run for office and make noise. butch otter and russ fultur, and walt bays, and the man that proved to be the main attraction, harley brown. harley has been his legal name since 1996. the leader of a local biker club. here are some of his notable one liners from the debate. >> don't think i'm crazy because i'm not. as it says in my motorcycle club, hey diddle fiddle, right up the middle.

that's my style. we bikers, discrimination to cops, we are cop magnets, like a playboy bunny wearing a mini skirt gets hit on all the time. they pull us over without probable cause. i don't like political correctness. can i say this? it sucks. it is bondage. >> changed the pace of it this friday evening. joining us now, for his national television debut, the man himself, harley brown. here is your chance to sound off. i want to know what you don't like about this country, what you'd like to fix, if you get elected president which i understand is your ultimate goal. >> my daddy and his generation won world war ii, gave us a free world. us baby boomers, man, we had the best motorcycles, best cars, best cartoons, best tv shows and by far the best music, ram a

lamb a ding dong, rock and roll is king. we have a national vet wound up into the stratus fear, $17 trillion. my grandson was born a couple months ago, his share of it is $55,000. i don't like that. >> okay, you're president of the united states tomorrow morning. you're sworn in. what are you going to get rid of? what government programs? >> the commies. two-thirds of federal government is social programs. where in the constitution does it say we have to give all this money out to everybody, provide health care to everybody. i would give a swag, a scientific wild ass guess that 90% of what the feds do is as unconstitutional as the communist manifesto. where does it say we have to have department of labor, department of education, department of energy, and even

two of my favorites, the va and nasa. but the end run around that, put them under the air force, keep them going. but do it under the war department, which is authorized in article 1, section 8, as a function of we the people and the states who create it. >> where is the air force in the constitution? >> the army air corp. >> where is that in the constitution? 1789, the constitution, where was the air force. >> all right, put it back under the army air corp, the b-17s that worked over nazi germany. i wouldn't mind having the army air corp again. >> what do you make of the language in the constitution in the preamble that says we should promote the public welfare of the country? what did they mean by promote the public welfare? you say it is not in the constitution. what does that mean?

>> that word welfare has been contorted out of shape and the liberals interpret it as giving money out to everybody that needs it or wants it, and that's not the way the original intent was. >> you mean the way you contort an army out of shape to include an air force? >> a few things changed in the late '40s. ever since world war ii, this country, like these piis ant wars, vietnam, the gulf, you declare war, wipe out your enemies, period. that's the way i read it. >> you think we should have killed all the north vietnamese? >> hell yeah. first declare war, then use every weapon we have to annihilate the enemies. never send a marine when you can send a bullet and send the biggest bullet you got. >> harley, take a minute, list politicians in your lifetime you

respect, presidents going backwards, the last president you respected, going backwards. tell me who you liked in american history positively? >> okay, i liked reagan, i liked general eisenhower. i admire harry truman for having the georgia union tight to push the button. i like ulysses s. grant, george washington, abraham lincoln, arguably the best presidents we had. teddy roosevelt, booey. however he interpreted the presidential powers. >> you're on the ballot. see what people think of your candidacy. we will be right back after this. that are powered by the moon. ♪ she can print amazing things, right from her computer. [ whirring ]

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let me finish with the following recap, if you will. i watched the whole thing, the whole karl rove attack, the bill and hillary reaction, i saw the way he backed off the most serious thing, he suggested that brain damage number. i watched the clintons work together and ram up their defense, ram it up hard enough to begin to hurt, hurt karl rove. this is clinton teamwork roaring into action, way, way ahead of schedule. what it showed me, especially bill clinton's unintended prediction that the rove attack is, quote, just the beginning, that the clintons are in this thing all the way. hillary clinton is running for president. you don't have to hear it from

me. all you have to do is watch what happens this week. it's all coming now, all of it. the clinton campaign, yes, two years from this november, the american judgment on all of it. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts now. good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. harry reid has declared war. >> they absolutely expect monetary returns on their investments in buying america. that's what this is all about, mr. president. the koch's bid for a hostile takeover of american democracy to make themselves richer. >> he went to the floor declaring war not on the republican party or his senate adversary, mitch mcconnell,