tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC May 16, 2014 6:00pm-7:01pm PDT
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people care. there's a pugh poll that -- i would much rather have positive results, be hated by a good number of people than the other way around, loved by everybody and fail. >> the glenn greenwald bumper sticker there. thank you. that's "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts now. >> thank you, have a great weekend. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. the boston globe ran a story this week revealing information that we are not supposed to know. it is information that the fbi at least does not want anyone to know. the globe this week reported the name of an fbi agent involved in a controversial fatal shooting about a year ago. we reported extensively on the shooting over the course of the last year, specifically on the fact that the fbi only investigates itself when fbi agents shoot people. only ever investigate themsel s
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themselves, and always exxon rate themselves. in the last 151 times an fbi agent shot someone, and the fbi investigated that shooting, they found it kosher, exonerating its agents, 151 times out of 151 times. they almost always are the only ones that investigate their own shootings, and always find themselves to be justified every single time. so it was interesting and news worthy when a local state prosecutor in florida decided to look into a shooting where an fbi agent killed someone in florida. it was a little less than a year ago. it is very rare to have a law enforcement authority other than the fbi look into a shooting by the fbi. but here is the surprise. when that state prosecutor in florida looked into that shooting and released this report on what happened, that state prosecutor inadvertently released the name of the fbi agent that did that shooting. they weren't trying to.
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they were in fact trying hard not to release the fbi agent's name, but oops. when the globe reported that fbi agent's name, this is how they explained they got it. they said the name was quote, confirmed by unredacting the prosecutor's report, a process made relatively simple, because the blackout technique used to cover the names was faulty. i should say, the globe wasn't the first outlet to do this, before the globe ever published the story, a vaguely conspiratorial website about the boston marathon bombing also found the fbi agent's name in this report. and published it. because when that state prosecutor did the report, that fbi agent's name was not properly blacked out. the website did it first, then the globe did it. today the globe published this editorial, calling for release of more information from the shooting, because once they got the name of the fbi agent that pulled the trigger, they were able to find out that specific
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fbi agent has a really troubling use of force record as a police officer from before the time the fbi hired him. in truth, that raised some new, important questions about the fbi shooting and why the shooting was judged to be okay. and all of this has happened simply by the technological freak show of the fact they were able to get his name out of a document where the author of that document thought the name was redacted and it wasn't in there any more. and that is fascinating it turns out about that particular story and that particular shooting and the fbi effectively giving itself carte blanche to shoot whoever they want with no oversight. but it is part of a bigger stupid trend about redactions. redactions in general. a redacted document usually looks like this. i think this is -- hard to tell, i think this is from the david wildstein documents. i just happened to have it
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laying around. this is generally what redacted documents look like. they get released in redacted form sometimes by regular people, frequently by government agencies, sometimes by lawyers, because for whatever reason you need to release some of the information in a given document but don't want to release all of the information in that document. the people receiving that document, if they can effectively unredact it, if they can read what you tried to blackout, that means you're not doing it right. and here is how a failure like that can happen. this is what happened this week. this is that 161 page report from the state prosecutor in florida, contained lots of redactions about the fbi shooting. whoever redacted documents in that office, whoever was actually clicking the mouse to hide the sensitive information they didn't want disclosed, they used two different methods to do it. one method is on the left. put thick black lines over some lines of text. the other method is on the
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right, on the image. they put pink boxes over stuff to block whatever was under the pink boxes. and the pink boxes turns out are problematic. instead of removing sensitive material, the pink boxes just cover it up. all of the secret information is still there. it is just under the pink box. that means that if you have the right computer program, you can remove the box and see what's under there. you can take the supposedly redacted diagram of the room where the fbi shooting took place, and one by one, you can remove the pink boxes and oh, look, once they're gone, turns out the diagram contained the fbi agent's name. and it looks smudgy, because we blurred it out, even though it was reported by other media outlets, but the name was clearly visible there. turns out this is a common redaction mistake. hiding something is not the same as actually redacting it. just to show you again from the
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same report. this is the purported confession the suspect started to write before he was shot and killed. big parts of the confession, basically the whole thing, was intended to be redacted. but with two clicks of the mouse, using totally normally grade cheap office software, look, the whole thing is there for the whole world to see. and there are lots of variations on the same bad redaction mistake. this is one of the most common ways they screw it up. say you want to redact the gettysburg address. say you thought it should be classified that all men are created equal. you wanted to publish this document but redact those words. a common way is to cover them up with black. with a line you turn black. but again, even though those words now have something sitting on top of them on the document in the form of that black line, doesn't mean the words themselves aren't still on the
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page. if you want to see what the words are under the black line, select and copy the whole line, including the redacted part. copy it, pace it into word as text, and there it is. all men are created equal. that mistake, that cut and pace redaction mistake is not just for playing around with pdf files at home. that error in the past few years resulted in britain revealing classified secrets about the submarine fleet, in "the new york times," revealing the classified name of an nsa agent, famously in 2005, that same cut and pace mistake led the pentagon to reveal names and ranks of several members of the military involved in shooting and killing an italian agent in iraq, in that same report, the pentagon also in the same method failed to properly redact what was supposed to be secret information about the military rules of engagement at a check
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point near baghdad airport. that rash of bad redactions prompted this piece of advice of a software blog. quote, if you close your eyes, you don't actually disappear. sometimes it seems like anything that can be done by computer can be undone by computer as well. if you do really want to keep something secret, should we just go back to the old low tech scratching stuff out by hand method? and it is true, that will avoid the problem. that was this, right? sts true, scratching it out by hand does avoid the computer problem, avoids the problem of accidentally revealing secrets that are copied and paced -- pasted. when news broke the republican majority leader in wisconsin state assembly was being charged
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with felony sexual assault, the redacted criminal complaint in that sexual assault case was made public by the police department. you see the black lines of redactions, because of the connection to the high ranking political leader in the state, that complaint was not just posted by the police department but was posted online by wisconsin newspapers, how we got it. even though parts were blacked out by hand, you easily could see right through whatever marker they used to conceal the information. the marker they used was not dark enough which meant the document accidently revealed names of witnesses and the name of the alleged abuse victim who did not want to be named. you could see her name through the supposed redaction. that magic marker mistake in wisconsin ended up into that scandal one of wisconsin's sitting united states senators, because they not only inadvertently disclosed the name of the victim and witnesses, they disclosed one of the people
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informed that the assault took place was the u.s. senator himself, senator ron jon son. after first refusing to comment, senator johnson had to finally admit yes, he had known about the allegations all this time, while the alleged perpetrator was rising through the ranks of the wisconsin republican party. the senator said the alleged victim had not wanted him to say anything about it. all of that had to happen because the police department didn't buy a second sharpie. didn't use a dark enough marker, go over it enough times to obscure the information. you could read through it. johnson's office, as in senator ron johnson. if you get your hands on some official documents, legal document and trying to figure out what's redacted, there are a bunch of ways to look for that information. turns out people make lots of
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errors when they're trying to redact stuff. unredacting is a thing. on computers and by hand. apparently redacting stuff is something we are terrible at. from the other side, if you turn the telescope around, if you want to keep stuff secret, don't make one of these common mistakes while you try to keep something secret. whistleblowers, leakers, local police departments, what is the gold standard for redaction? i'll tell you. i am not kidding. if you want to make sure nobody ever sees the information that you do not want them to have, invest in an exacto knife. we asked a tech no adviser. he says wherein you do this is the safest bet, cut the information physically off the paper, shred or mince secrets
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cut out of the paper, scan the remaining document, and voilà. now you have a digital copy that literally cannot be unredacted because there's nothing under the blank space to unredact. it may seem time consuming and backward to do it this way. imagine how good you will feel when you never accidentally reveal the name of an fbi agent who shot someone, or secret information about the iraq war, or that senator ron johnson knew. you weren't trying to disclose that stuff, here is one way not to. seems worth the time. turns out if you close your eyes, you don't actually disappear. turns out there's a potential big change coming right now from an unexpected place, change coming to something the states have been legally able to keep secret from all of us since the very beginning of this country. and it may right now for an unexpected reason finally be about to change. something we are absolutely used to being kept secret from us for
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face of an executioner, a person whose job it is to chop off someone's head, carry out execution for the state. black hood laws are meant to ensure no one finds out the identity of the person literally or figuratively under the black hood. those prevent we the public from knowing who works as an executioner for the state. the laws make it illegal to disclose the name of anyone that works on an execution team. people involved in executions are doing a very sensitive government job. it may be hard to get anyone to do that job, if everybody knew who it was that did it. legally, constitutionally, the effort to keep secret those people's identities is in conflict with the right that the public has to be able to see and report on the way the government kills people. the public through the media has to be able to witness executions.
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they can't be secret. they're done in our name so there have to be reporters there to witness what happens and report it to the public. we have a long tradition in this country of having media witnesses at executions. you see reporters come out and do a readout of what they saw to other reporters and to the public. in idaho, the spokesman review newspaper recently dug up an official pass, signed by the local prison warden, local pass sent to the idaho statesman in 1909, essentially a permit, hall pass, to allow this reporter to cover an execution. this is your pass to get in and see the hanging. when states got shy about executions, when california tried to keep people from seeing lethal injections, the federal courts decided squarely in the media favor, capital punishment requires the media to be there as representatives of the public
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so the public knows if executions are fairly and humanely administered in the words of the court. so there are two competing long standing and fairly reasonable traditions and rights that executioners should have their privacy, don't get to know who they are, black hoods, but the public hat right to know and media has the right to witness what happens at executions. we get to know how the government kills people in our name. the conflict between those things in 2006, that was pushed to its limit in missouri, 2006 when the great st. louis post dispatch, one of the great all american papers, post dispatch published an expose' in the sunday paper, revealing the history of the lead executioner, the doctor who had devised the lethal injection system and supervised its use to kill more than 50 people. some prisoners in missouri sued
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over the way lethal injections were carried out. the state admitted in the lawsuit records of how much and which drugs were used on which prisoners and which executions, the state admitted its reported weren't terribly accurate. in the protests, the doctor running the executions had to be deposed in court. they called him dr. john doe, set him behind a screen so nobody could see him, but his testimony was amazing. the doctor admitted that he was dyslexic, sometimes confused the names of drugs, that he sometimes swapped numbers around, he said there was no actual written protocol for how the prisoners were executed in the state, but that he personally decided what to do, in part based on his reading the look on the prisoner's face. the judge responded by putting a halt to all executions in the state, issued a temporary moratorium. then jeremy kohler, reporter,
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was able to figure out who the doctor was, despite the screen, despite the john doe thing, despite the lengths the state went to to keep the doctor's name secret. when they figured out who he was, they were able to figure out that the state's main executioner had been sued for malpractice more than 20 times. he had been banned from several hospitals in the state. he had recently been publicly disciplined by missouri state medical board. was that outing the executioner violation of the long-standing black hood principle that the public job ought to be a secret one? or if the form of execution is a medical procedure, is the medical professional that oversees intravenous overdose killing of the prisoner, is that person part of a weapon? are they part and parcel of the execution itself? an interesting question. can we not really witness an excuse any more unless we know if the guy inserting the needle
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has ever done anything like that before? that groundbreaking story from st. louis dispatch came out in 2006. the next legislative term in 2007, missouri lawmakers strengthened the black hood law in a way that made it harder to discern identities of the state execution team, and would let that team seek damages if their names were exposed. after the law was passed in 2007, in 2008, the post dispatch again published another story, naming another member of the execution team. turns out from that reporting the nurse on the execution team was himself on probation, after prebargaining down two felony charges, including one for stalking. when missouri wanted to send the nurse to help in the execution of timothy mcveigh, the nurse had to get permission from his own probation officer to cross state lines. so the press in missouri has been unafraid of the state
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trying to keep this stuff secret. you should subscribe to your local paper if you live in missouri. now, the state of missouri has gone not just one step further in this saga, they've gone one step weirder. the state of missouri decided membership of the execution team, where it is illegal to disclose names, membership of the execution team now includes the pharmacy where the state has its drugs made for its executions and also all employees of that pharmacy. this is a very weird variation on corporations or people. in this case, corporations are people who execute people, and they therefore have to be kept secret under the black hood with other more human members of the execution team. pharmacies are people, too. that adjustment in missouri state law, which happened a few months ago, occurred in response to difficulty missouri and other states are having getting their hands on lethal injection drugs now. the fact that those drugs are hard to come by forced states to
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turn to new unregulated sources to get their drugs. apparently state of missouri prefers to keep that secret. that change to keep secret manufacturer and supplier the means where they kill people is the subject of a brand new lawsuit, filed by three largest papers in the state and the associated press and guardian newspaper, they're suing missouri on first amendment grounds, arguing news organizations have to be allowed access to information about mi suri executions. with the way we kill people now, it includes information about the weapon used to do the killing, includes information about the drugs, specifically they're asking the state disclose the name, chemical composition, concentration, source, and quality of the drugs used to execute prisoners in missouri. there's already a fascinating legal precedent here that the press and by extension the public are able to know. we are allowed to witness what happens in an execution.
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also executioners are entitled to a certain degree of secrecy. in addition to the conflict, there's some urgency. two and a half weeks ago, we have a botched execution in oklahoma, a man they were killing, finally died of a heart attack, 45 minutes after the execution started and after they tried to call it off. there hasn't been another execution since then. but the next one scheduled is going to be in missouri, on wednesday, on a man with a rare condition effecting his blood vessels, using drugs produced and supplied by an unknown source. that execution is set for wednesday technically, one minute after midnight tuesday night. that's when the next execution in the country is supposed to happen, it is supposed to happen in missouri. the lawsuit was filed in missouri yesterday. joining us now, jeremy kohler, st. louis post dispatch that wrote the piece, that led the
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department of corrections to hire a new doctor to oversee executions and led them to strengthen the black hood law which mr. kohler and his newspaper promptly ignored. mr. kohler, thank you very much for being here. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you, rachel. >> this is a long saga, interesting one. i should ask you if i misstated any of the way that came to be or any of that time line? is that the way it happened? >> that's exactly how it happened. >> you did this reporting in 2006 that led you to release the name of the doctor involved in the executions. do you mind if i ask you how you figured out who he was? >> there are similarities to the segment you did earlier. there were just enough clues left in public record i was able to triangulate who the doctor was. i knew it was a general surgeon. i knew he was of a certain age. i knew, the big clue, i knew he had been disciplined by the state for failing to tell hospitals about malpractice cases, and once i took all of those factors, there was only
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one doctor in the state. i was able to take that name to a number of sources who confirmed it. >> did you have qualms, did the editors have qualms about releasing the name, not necessarily legally, obviously you knew what you were doing there, but in terms of this long standing principle that executioners tend to be guys under black hoods we don't tend to know who they are? >> right. well, the day it started was the day the judge actually put the moratorium on the death penalty. my editor said we have to do a profile of this guy. i agree. i went to the state and said can you set up an interview with the executioner. they said no, we're not going to do that. so it became a challenge for me to find out who the doctor was. we certainly did have some robust conversations in the newsroom about is it worth it to put this guy out there. as you said, he is doing a sensitive job, and we're not just going to reject the state's
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argument that he could be in danger if we named him, but in the end there were so many red flags with this guy, we had to put his name out there. ultimately we felt the same about the nurse later on. >> as we have moved into a way of executing prisoners that is -- i don't think it is a medical procedure, a medicalized procedure, there are medical personnel involved, there is an interesting question whether it is a qualitatively different thing to be a medical professional involved in something sensitive about this, calibrating the drugs, deciding drug combinations, inserting ivs, monitoring iv lines. if something is qualitatively different than someone that pulls the guillotine, the involvement in the execution process, i am starting to feel like we're in new legal territory in terms of whether or not medical professionals ought to be considered execution team members in the way we thought of them in the past. i don't know if you grappled with that at all. >> we have grappled with it. these people were putting
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themselves out against the grain of their profession. some were risking, working on executions are working on credentials being stripped from licensing boards and organizations, so we don't take it lightly when considering putting that story out there. >> the next execution in missouri, the first one since oklahoma, they won't disclose origin of the drugs. the prisoner scheduled to be killed has a rare medical condition, one thing for them to claim that, it is another to see the state twice change the planned drug protocol for execution because of his medical condition. his lawyer wants the execution videotaped to prove to the world what it was like when they killed him. seems like a lot is going on around this planned execution. do you have a sense whether it is likely to go ahead as
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planned? >> i don't try to guess on these things, the state had six in a row executed on a day they planned. there have been countless challenges the last couple months, they have been able to overcome those. i don't see a reason why they wouldn't be able to continue. the courts have essentially upheld that process. >> jeremy kohler, investigative reporter for post dispatch. this is land mark stuff when it happened. going back to the first amendment case, the landmark even brighter in hindsight. thank you for being here. militarized spca units, and one candidate for governor in one state and one serving governor in another, all mixed together. stay with us. has the most common kind... ...it's not caused by a heart valve problem. dad, it says your afib puts you at 5 times greater risk of a stroke. that's why i take my warfarin every day.
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western new jersey, local prosecutors decided to prosecute the local county sheriff. a county of only 100,000 people. even in a county this small, they don't have all that many public officials. here in hunterdon county, the county prosecutor was indicting the sheriff. they were members of a million tarized branch of the spca, had tear gas, night vision goggles, 65,000 rounds of ammunition, sniper ammunition for this sniper rifle they purchased. the spca, like the cat police. at the sheriff's office, they were making fake police badges, so their friends could look official. the guy who has one of the fake badges wasn't a member of the sheriff's department, but court
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records at the time show the employees let the guy ride, has let sheriff employees ride, and gave him a state badge. see what this gets you into. one of the officers was fighting drunk driving, when he was hired, he crashed his suv into a guardrail, taken off running through the fields and forests from the police trying to catch him. and it is not totally out of the question for people in law enforcement to have a questionable incident like that in the background, but that was a real problem at this sheriff's office, because the sheriff apparently let at least one of her officers do his own background check when he was hired, which would have been extra convenient for the drunk driving crash, the guardrail, running through the field guy. it was nuts. so the local prosecutors brought the sheriff up on a variety of charges. indicted may of 2010, four years ago. then the state attorney general came in from trenton and stopped the prosecution.
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fired the local prosecutors that brought the case, the lead prosecutor says they took all of the case files and evidence back to the state capital and ended it. whether or not this is why, it turns out the sheriff getting prosecuted, turned out to be an important political ally of newly elected governor of the state. the guy with the fake badge turned out to be an important donor to the governor just elected, and the attorney general that came in to get rid of that case, was appointed by the governor. today, the associated press obtained and published what appear to be notes at the time the prosecution was going on by one of the prosecutors involved in it. when the hunterdon county realized attorney general was come in and quash the
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prosecution, local prosecutors kept notes in the event it is necessary to explain my handling of the case, protect my reputation or my job. that prosecutor quit in protest, is suing the state. another prosecutor fired is also suing the state. the fight over what happened in hunterdon new jersey is on-going, fascinating, and an important reminder there is no independent attorney general office in new jersey. the attorney general is the senior law enforcement officer in the state, like in every state, but in new jersey, serves at the pleasure of the governor. only four states it is true, new jersey is one of them. usually doesn't make news and usually doesn't feel like it matters, until all of a sudden it feels like it matters. questions about potential kwil behavior are being asked about the attorney general's boss, about the governor and his administration. is the ag going to look into that? the ag the governor appointed?
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last year, published the beginning of a tough series of stories about one republican governor and one republican candidate for governor, charlie baker, leading republican candidate for governor in massachusetts, also works as an investment firm in massachusetts. in 2011, charlie baker made a $10,000 donation to new jersey state republican committee. seven months after that, charlie baker's investment firm got notified they were getting $25 million influx of funds from new jersey pension fund. new jersey had made the decision to invest a ton of money with charlie baker's firm, right after charlie baker gave a big donation to new jersey republican party. now, this has become a political issue for charlie baker as he runs for governor in massachusetts, he is having a hard time of it anyway. boston globe has been all over this story since it broke, charlie baker has been answering questions about it daily. it seems to be dogging him at this early point in his campaign. in new jersey, though, the real
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problem is that new jersey has a very clear, short strict easy to understand law that says your firm cannot get investments of new jersey pension money if you are giving political donations to people and parties in new jersey. charlie baker's defense so far is that he doesn't have anything to do with that firm, doesn't work for that investment firm in a way that should trigger the new jersey law. here is how charlie baker listed himself when he made the donation, listed himself as partner in the firm. if you're a partner in the firm, the law in new jersey is clear, you cannot give a donation and expect your firm to get any business from new jersey. after that reporting, including publishing this form, saying this looks illegal, charlie baker and his firm insisted even though he listed himself as partner, he does not mean that he is that kind of partner. the kind of partner that doesn't mean when we say partner. it is a whole different thing.
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when we say partner, we mean like buddy. you can see why charlie baker depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is with massachusetts press over this. this is not going well for him. what about the other side of the decision? what about the decision to award that multi-million dollar contract to mr. baker's firm after mr. baker made that donation? that shouldn't just be a question for mr. baker who gave the donation, it should be a question for new jersey, since new jersey is the one that gave the money. new jersey is where the law is so strict and so clear. look at the law. the division of investment shall not engage an investment management firm to provide investment management services for the benefit of the state or pension funds, shall terminate the contract of any investment management firm if within two years prior to such engagement or during term of such engagement, any payment to a political party covered by this policy has been made or paid by any investment management professional associated with such investment management firm.
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by which they mean someone that provides, quote, financial advisory or consultant services. that's how they define it in the lay. that law does not seem that complicated. commas are weird in legal language, other than that, not complicated. writing about this in fortune magazine, the finance manager there says there is a strong case new jersey's pay to play rules were violated here. if there were an independent top law enforcement officer in the state of new jersey, if there were an independent attorney general in new jersey, one might ask that person as an independent law enforcement official to look into it. new jersey doesn't have one of those people. so who do you go to to get an honest opinion on whether or not this is as illegal as it looks in the reporting, or as innocent as the christie administration and charlie baker insist it is. who do you go to for an independent law enforcement opinion. who will decide whether the law indeed is enforced on this
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matter? joining us now, statehouse reporter for new jersey "the record" paper. thank you for being here on a friday night. >> you're welcome. happy to be here. >> whose job is it to enforce new jersey's pay to play law? i don't even know who to ask. everybody i asked seems to be involved politically. >> in the case of this policy, department of treasury, which oversees the state investment council, which is the agency that managed new jersey's $76.7 billion pension fund. that's the agency that awarded this investment in late 2011. in fact, the number out there is 25 million. they bumped it down to 15 million. >> wanted to give more, the firm couldn't receive it. >> it is the sixth fund of the firm that's been successful. it made new jersey's pension some money in this amount of time, and they softened it to 15 million. it would be department of treasury. >> if treasury is in effect the
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agency that made the decision to award the funds, how can they be expected to police the decision to award the funds? >> right. it is even a little -- there's another layer to it even. and you have to step back a second. a lot of pay to play in new jersey are politically connected law firms, engineering firms, accounting firms. the laws were written not necessarily with the sophisticated financial transactions in mind but netting the partners of a politically connected law firm getting lucrative contracts from state government. we have written about it. new jersey has had many pay to play scandals. the law requires the firms themself to disclose who among their ranks meets the definition of investment management professional and has made any contributions that potentially could be prohibited by the pay to play law. so there's a layer of self disclosure. then treasury would be policing itself against awarding an improper contract if that were
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the case. >> the treasury polices itself about awarding the contract, and the firm set to get $25 million from the state of new jersey is responsible for telling new jersey if it shouldn't? >> so in this case, we press treasury on that specifically, and they have come back and said listen, they filled out the disclosure form, told us who the investment management were, he wasn't listed, his title maybe partner in marketing capacity, catalyst saying it is an error, that doesn't trigger pay to play law. >> insist rest row -- retroactively after they got the money. >> the amazing thing, the questions are interesting. it is amazing to see mr. baker and to lesser extent mr. christie twisting this issue and asserting their innocence. as somebody trying to report on
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this, the fact there is no next step, that there is no law enforcement authority to turn to on the subject who is not implicated on one side of it feels very open ended to me. do you feel like the legislature or anybody else may take it up in some way? >> that remains to be seen. another thing in the last few months, when frank lautenberg passed away, kiasu had been the attorney general. the acting attorney general has been in place. kevin oh dad, chief of staff, was supposed to replace him. his name has come up as the bridge scandal unfolded. >> if he went in limbo, oh doud would be expected to enforce this against the guy that gave him the job. it is amazing to me. statehouse reporter for new jersey's "the record." it looks like a complicated
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>> we have an update on our top story from last night. operation american spring. get it, like the arab spring, but merican. operation american spring was planned as a massive protest in washington, d.c. the seat of obama communist kenyan power. there was a sister protest in bunkerville, nevada, home to let me tell you a thing i know about the rancher, bundy. it was to remove from office, president obama, vice president biden, reid, and the leadership of congress by sheer force of bodies in washington they were going to get rid of the terrible government with the boot on the neck of all freedom loving americans. the organizers expected anywhere from 10 to 30 million people to join their cause in our nation's capital today. and today, there did appear to be slightly more than ten
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people. trying out in the bad weather to evict the federal government from washington today. in fact, some where between 10 people and 30 million people did show up. it was much closer to the lower end of the range they've spent time at the washington monument. went down to the mall. you know, impeach obama, don't tread on me, despite the resodding of the national mate was not a crisis today at the national park service. the quote to "the washington times" probably best sums it up. quote, this is very disappointing." you know at least it rained. it would have been weird to have a beautiful spring day and have nobody show up. maybe next year they'll get their 30 m you never know. or tomorrow. tomorrow, tomorrow, always a day away. keep faith. that does it for us. see you again monday. now it is time for you to go to prison. due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> america's prisons, dangerous,
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